Tyler, today's video has left me speechless at how good it really is. Your interviewing skills are next level. I particularly loved the techie info about modulation vs encoding and the bitrates of the new ATSC 3.0 as well as channel capacity. Seriously, you put so many RUclipsrs and professional television journalist to shame with the high quality content of this video. You really should be producing videos for national news broadcasters.
Tyler, just when you think we’ve heard everything there is to hear....It always amazes me that you find new information to share. THANKS!! 🙏 Let’s hope it all remains free.
Now that's what I'm talking about, to get this notification video from Tyler A.K.A. Antenna Man to start the weekend, now it doesn't get any better than this. I love the information that you provide us with Tyler, it's really helpful and it always keeps us in the know and not only that, I (we), share this information with others, and by doing so, we make your channel grow :-) Have a safe and happy weekend Tyler (Antenna Man) you handsome devil you. :-) You are a brain :-)
If you mount it outside on the top of the roof, I bet you increase your range and reliability even more. The FCC says no HOA or other entity can restrict you. The wife may be a different story, of course...
To be exact, ATSC 1.0 has a 19.39 Mb rate. ATSC 3.0 is variable and can be set by the station as low as 0.75 Mb with huge error correction to maximize coverage area, or as high as 56 Mb with a small coverage area. 40 Mb is on the ambitious side. The Dallas and Phoenix tests have been running at 26 Mb for the most part, as far as I know.
Interesting. 40Mbits/second (shared among all channels) with 4x the compression efficiency. So, you can go from 1080 to 4k with the same bandwidth just by moving from MPEG2 to HEVC. I just hope they allocate high bit-rates for the 4k channels that are offered.
Unfortunately, that is a bit too optimistic i'm afraid. If you want to be able to use a higher bitrate per carrier (modulation scheme) you also need a better quality or stronger signal because there will be less error control. That's just the way these digital systems work. Ofcourse they can use higher output power on the broadcast tower to compensate or you can use a better antenna but too high efficiency causes alot of reception problems. And then compression standards, Basicly there is a 30-40% increase in efficiency in every generation, so 10 Mbit mpeg2 to 2.5 Mbit HEVC is not really true. I know for a fact you really want about 4-5 Mbit HEVC for a 1080i/p channel if you want any detail. For a 2160p channel it's about 3 times as much.
THANK YOU! You answered questions I had. It's certainly food for thought. And I'm sure there will be things eventually included that few would ever anticipate, both good and not so good but not bad :-)
Sounds like the future as long as it stays free. The more channels the better. More choice. More stations like Me, Antenna TV, Decades, lots of content to broadcast.
Decades, Antenna TV , Me TV yes, they are all good but how many times can you put up with Marie Osmond selling diet food, Joe Nameth selling insurance, Alex Trabeck selling life insurance, Tom Sellick saying " I KNOW WHAT YOUR DOING " How many times can you put up hearing the phrase DOT COM ?.... Thank goodness for the mute button and the channel changer on the remote. I cut the cord over 5 years ago and it's the best thing I've ever done.
@@clarkss12......no, but a have a ton of recorded VHS tapes and a few DVD's . No internet service, no telephone service except for my zombi phone I cut the cord on that when I went mobile. no cable and no computer.
Won't make a difference if they start charging for everything. And with IP, there are a lot more ways the companies can control who gets the transmission (e.g., they'll decrypt the signal only if you pay up).
The other night, I rescanned and picked up channels from 60 miles away and 180 degrees from the way my antenna is pointed. I also picked up channels from about 90 degrees north and 100 miles away.
It is possible there may be rotating decode keys for a scrambled transmission that would require a network connection to update from the broadcaster. If it is unscrambled the connection would not matter. It is true the entire neighborhood would be getting the same update keys and this could be collectively defeated to some extent if people really wanted to.
So even if you have a slow Internet connection you might have the option of subscribing to and streaming premium HD content. If there's a broadcast close enough,of course. PPV movies and events would also be possible.
So to cut the cord, I'll have an internet connection to my TV, which is just a different cord. Then there will be registration to receive channels, then there will be subscriptions, and then the cost goes up. So now we're on that slippery slope.
but the Wireless Internet is FREE, and it works WITH your Existing Internet with a Smart TV. and at home you cant get FREE wireless internet. Regular 4K HDTV will be Completely FREE, only IF you want to watch CBS All Access , then you pay Subscription fees. your Local NEWS channels will still be FREE.
@@buffdelcampo - not TRUE, the FCC can use a unmarked van with an antenna and see what you have on any screens or computers in your home. I built an Antenna/Receiver to do JUST that, I often monitor my Neighbors with my rig. sort of a Neighborhood PATROL. also the FCC can Monitor your Telecoms , because the NSA has the American INTERNET and Phone Lines TAPPED, they can Listen in through the MIC or they can simply see what websites you are Viewing.
"voluntary compliance". I imagine market saturation similar to HD audio. There are still a lot of analog radio stations broadcasting, and I don't see any end to ATSC 1.0
There's no stomach on the part of broadcasters to have ATSC 1.0 and 3.0 running concurrently in perpetuity. The whole idea is for 3.0 to replace 1.0 completely. At some point the FCC will step in and stipulate a cutoff date.
ATSC 1.0 will come to an END soon. each Major Broadcaster will maintain 1 Lighthouse station in each market. the Bigger broadcasters will Activate ATSC 3.0 stations and the 1.0 stations will be moved over to lower and lower channels as ATSC 3.0 comes online, until they can Finally shut down 1.0 Forever (5 years). eventually ALL 1.0 stations will go dark. to maximize bandwidth.
Hi Tyler, Wow, I've really been enjoying a lot of your videos. Especially the ATSC 3.0 standard stuff. I had no idea. I'm going to keep watching your videos all day during the Coronavirus lock down here in Illinois. Also, I saw that you showed some ATSC location in the Chicago area could you tell me what that is?
Thanks for all your information and insight. So I need to know (it keeps me up at night) how did you fix the TV with the vertical lines? LCD edge connector needed some more pressure?
@@AntennaMan Awesome! That will come in handy when it gets cold out. How much did it weigh? They have such a vivid picture, and in my opinion a lot better than LCD, but they weigh soo much!
I'm not sure that having the option to pay for ESPN or any another pay to view channel is such a bad thing. It is one way to bypass the cable company after all. So long as they don't lock everything behind a pay wall. I'm getting a new TV soon that has a ATSC 3.0 tuner so I'm looking forward to check out channels in the Syracuse area that are broadcasting in that format.
It won't be a bad thing, its just if ESPN will provide enough premium content to justify the charge. Over the past few years they've (and other network's sport channels) have dropped a lot of coverage of unique sports, concentrating on the usual football, baseball, basketball, hockey, which contributed to me dropping cable for OTA. The increase in subchannels would help with this, maybe even some consolidation of the sports channels into fewer premium packages that give the viewer more variety/more options.
ATSC 3.0 is Closer to 5G Wireless than a Digital 3G , 3G is just a Plain Digital Radio still, ATSC 3.0 is an Internet Based Signal , that has 4K HDR and the Internet. Japan has had WiMAX which is similar to 5G wireless, both are Internet Based Wireless Celluar communications. IP based Radios mean , they can communicate from the Basement Level to the top floor of a tower, and the towers can Communicate with one another and communicate with other OFFSITE facility as well.
Keep in mind that this is going to cost even more than 1.0 did which resulted in many small stations and groups selling to larger groups or selling their channel in the repack. The smaller the market the longer it may take. On the good side is that programmers will be able to lease channels thus offset the cost of transition but, expect some pay services. Another question is at what point a set top receiver becomes affordable? Last time the cost remained high for years due to patent licenses and limited manufacture interest till the FCC and congress stepped in. Meanwhile, cable and satellite companies are hard at it technically and legally to keep up. Which may be good or bad for us in the long run. One reason cable bills are so high is that most local stations and many programmers charge on average a dollar a month per viewer copyright fee! If stations run what amounts to wireless cable, the playing field may shift yet again?
I would like to know what kind of security precautions are being made to prevent the hacking of a consumer's local network through the TV''s built-in broadband, especially if the consumer has opted to use the return path.
One question I have is, will ATSC 3.0 greatly reduce latency between watching on a TV and watching a live stream on a smartphone, since the whole standard is IP-based anyway? Because currently the latter is WAAAAYYY delayed, like by several SECONDS, compared to the live TV broadcast, and this can be bad especially for emergency communications.
Not likely, since it was confirmed in this video that the live TV signal is still self-contained and thus not carried on the web. However, this is a good thing since the only way for them to have similar latency would be if the OTA signal had a greater delay to match the streaming feed, rather than the other way around. The reason, of course, is path complexity. The OTA signal is fed into the transmitter which broadcasts it into the air, then your antenna receives the signal and feeds it to the TV. Streaming on the other hand is a whole other beast: they have to feed their signal into and out of their network, where it then goes through some number of routers which ultimately relay it to a server, which then actively sends the stream to whichever specific systems request it - and yes, that journey also has to travel through a chain of routers. The number varies, but running a traceroute on your favorite site will attempt to list all the relays that that particular connection needed to go through to get to that website's server.
I just bought a TCL roku tv and the antenna viewing is awesome. It has a built in guide and shows the station logo, ID, and signal strength. you can also add favorites and hide channels off your listing
Finally, someone I can ask. Something keeps interfering on channel 2 (54 - 60 MHz). It seems to turn on and off like a switch. How do I deal with this - FM trap or 54 MHz highpass filter (Pico Macom Tru Spec HPFO-54MHz)? How about a HP filter followed by FM trap?
60Mhz is very close to FM radio band. Have you considered using an FM trap? A 54Mhz High pass might cut your TV signal off below 60 Mhz too much. You could consider moving the aim of your TV antenna to reduce interference by increasing main TV signal levels. After that, then employ filters.
Really? In Canada they don't allow subchannels from other networks? Man, the quality of the HD broadcasts must look pristine then! Before all these subchannels started popping up, the HD broadcasts were so clean and mosquito noise free video, no blockyness mess.. Similar to how in the early days of DirecTV when it was DirecTV and USSB separate subscriptions. Each of those services were running their channels around 8Mbps for SD (HD not yet on the horizon) and those channels looked so clean on a 36" TV.
There is No horrible video compression with the current OTA broadcast model , ATSC 1.0. As a matter of fact ATSC 1.0 is configured to have least amount of video compression. The Humans have a built in ability to spread misinformation. They never stop , they never give up , the keep chipping away at the Truth until is no long the truth.
I don't want any kind of return path on my OTA set regardless of protocol. The new 3.0 does seem like something to look forward to if the signal is more robust than the current standard.
How can a station transmit ATSC 1.0 and ATSC 3.0 at the same time on the same RF channel using the same bandwidth they used for their old ATSC 1.0 signal? Will they be using different RF channels or have they been allocated more bandwidth?
If you watch this video there is a part where a representative offers a 3.0 conversion system using a TV's existing spectrum. ruclips.net/video/g45Hh5OGelI/видео.html
@@AntennaMan I've watched that presentation several time and it didn't shed any light on how they can multiplex 3.0 on top of an existing 1.0 signal. I'm assuming the station is currently utilizing its full 6 MHz bandwidth already so other than IP streaming, how do you add 3.0 on top of that?
@@rpsmith "if you like your current doctor (tv station) you can keep it" sound familliar??? i dont see how its physically possible either. too much hype that the average american taught idiot will buy into imho
Just wondering Tyler. After seeing this informative video, on a single 6 MHz wide RF TV channel in ATSC 3.0, how many 4K video feeds can be put through? I'm thinking of TV stations sharing their bandwidth, such that a 3.0 channel could have multiple competing station channels during the transition. But I am curious about how many 4K channels can be packed into a single RF channel? If you know, please advise by reply or by a new video. We'll be watching! Thanks in advance. -SS
It depends on the bitrate. Boise has one 4K and nine HD channels so probably 2 or 3 4K channels on one broadcast. Networks might charge a fee to access it.
@@AntennaMan Thank you Tyler. I was thinking that during the 3.0 transition, some different stations in a market will have to put their 4K service on a single RF channel, and I was wondering how many 4Ks could go on a single RF ch. Thanks again!
@@samsomers2716 There are some tests where the main channel over the air is 1080P, and then the internet connection augments that by adding in the 4k detail. The idea being, over the air signals are kept more robust for potable devices with smaller screens (where 4k is hard to discern) while a large screen like in the home get's the extra detail where it can be seen and appreciated.
With this new standard in the works, do you think they will be more digital broadcast networks like me TV, movies, etc.? Do you think there will be more digital broadcast over the air networks?
Tyler,asked the right questions,"president"was very nervous because he hit the right "nerve."I wrotte once,but still you would need internet for many tv stations,add to that,you`ll pay some fee.Only free station will be those that goverment allow.And you would need new digital converter box.or set top box,DVB T2HD,HEVC 265.Only state that uses this system before everybody is Germany.
I'm excited this time around that H.265 is being used instead of the old H.262 (MPEG-2) junk 1.0 launched with. MPEG-2 was well out of date when ATSC 1.0 was launched. It should have been done with H. 264 but, alas, no ASICs existed that decoded it as MPEG-2 did. At the time DVD players used it and the ASICs were everywhere for this to happen, I get it. Such as shame, it looked like crap on launch vs what computers and streaming already had going. This should now bring it to parity with regular streaming services we use today for quality on OTA. Shame they didn't go with VP9 and OPUS, both royalty free codecs and all over the internet today. Your own RUclips videos are usually using these now, with 2-3 mbps for 1080 and it looks great. Let's hope they don't overpack and degrade the quality. 40 mbps can give you 10 really really good quality 1080p streams with modern video codecs. The real pipe dream is to have AV-1 or some REALLY good codec being used going forward. You'll see 8k no issue at 5-6 mbps with it. Flexibility is key.
A lot of this is Greek to me! But what I wanted to know is if any of this is going to improve signal strength? I rescanned about a week ago because channel 4 (cbs) out of New Orleans repacked and now my picture sucks, if it even comes in at all!! A lot of shows I watch are on the channel and I’m in NO position to pay for TV again even with how expensive the streaming services are now! It’s so frustrating 😤😤😤!!
Antenna Man, How do I deal with intermittent interference on channel 2 (54 - 60 MHz)? I try to watch a favorite show and it cuts out. Maddening!! Please help. Thank you.
You need a good antenna design for low VHF. There are very few of them on the market and chances are your current antenna does not have the proper VHF elements for the band. Custom antenna recommendations are avauble on my website at antennamanpa.com
Yes but they are unlikely to right away. The low-powered stations Edge networks owns are brand new and that's why they want to 3.0. Existing ones probably will not change for 10 years the same way they did not go from analog to digital until after 2012
There are some ATSC 3.0 coverter boxes available now for around $89.99 or $149. One of those 3.0 converter boxes may be available at Walmart, but the other one i am not sure where available. Personally, since ATSC 1.O may still be around for 5 more years, i will wait until ATSC 3.0 converter boxes are much cheaper. Some brands of 3.0 converter boxes will be better quality than others, and i will be checking the reviews for each of them as time goes on. I remember long ago when digital ota converter boxes first came out in maybe 2003, they lasted maybe 3 years before the converter box went bad. So, just keep that in mind. I hope this upgrade is worth the hype, because i am tired of all of this upgrading ota signals. I just want to pick up a lot of free channels and watch some good shows at home. I really don't see the need for a lot of bells and whistles to get free OTA channels on my tv.
I have purchased (delivering 11/2/21) a 55 Sony A90J which includes an ATSC 3.0 tuner. I currently have a Channel Master booster and a separate tuner box (I'm presuming 1.0) I got for 30 @ Amazon, including the option to record on a memory stick. So when I hook up my Clearstream 2V to the new tuner, should I ditch either the booster or the separate box?
Have a Sony Bravia XBR 55x850D TV set to auto update on software. Update V6.1020 downloaded earlier this year that includes NextGen 3.0. Does that mean my TV will now receive the 3.0 signal? Live 60 miles east of Kansas City on farm. Scan, and receive 43 channels.
So what benefit is there for broadcasters to change from ATSC 1.0 to 3.0? If they were really concerned about loss of revenue do to cord cutters they would not even pursue changing to 3.0, would they?
I've seen some literature that ATSC 3.0 will incorporate repeaters. I'm a lifelong ham operator. Does that mean repeaters as in the same type of application as ham radio just with TV signals?
Currently stations to extend their coverage or to fill in areas with bad reception can use translators. Basically low power TV transmitters on a nearby tower to fill in an area on another channel. But carrying identical programming and information as the main channel. Often they use the main channels over the air signal, send it though a transcoder that cleans it up and puts it on a new channel or frequency. i.e. channel 15 input -> transcoder -> channel 33 output at say 1kW ERP, that fills in a valley or area blocked by terrain like a mountain. Or community too far away to receive a strong signal from the main transmitter. They sometimes use microwave paths to get around the obstruction to feed these translators if the over the air signal is too weak to pickup locally at the site. What ATSC 3.0 allows them to do is to fill in coverage gaps within the contour or signal area of the main station without interfering with the main signal on the same frequency. In that you have an area near the main transmitter but for whatever reason, usually mountains, you have weak signal areas, but then just a mile or two over you have full city grade coverage. If you tried to fill in that area in the analog days, or with 8VSB you would cause interference. Actually ruin reception for those who didn't have a problem receiving the main station. I think there were study's done on how to properly do it, and some tests, but it was never practical to implement and would always cause some level of reception issues along the signal overlap. But with ATSC 3.0 you can put a on-channel repeater that won't interfere with reception for those that aren't in the problem area. Their receiver will just see a stronger signal combined with the main signal. While those in the problem area will now have a receivable signal that looks identical to the main signal. With the transition area between the two transmitted signals not causing issues for either one. It allows for what are called Single Frequency Networks. Europe has had this ability with their DVB-T digital transmission standard for years. It allows for frequency reuse and is very helpful in congested areas.
Wondering what would b best outdoor antenna for Gladwin, MI? Trying to find someone in area to install for me. See Geeksquad does this. What do you think of them?
Can't speak for Geeksquad. Where you are, ABC 12 will be your toughest signal. See if a Winegard HD7694P works, and aim it at 155 degrees true or 162 degrees magnetic (check your phone settings to see which one yours is set to).
And if you live on Chatterton St between MI-18 and Cemetery St, at the far eastern end of Bartlett Street nearby to that area, or along Hill Street in that town, good luck with ABC 12 with any antenna. Chatterton and East Bartlett are basically no-man's land for antenna reception in general, at least for Saginaw TV.
I wonder if, just like ATSC 1.0, it is limited to 0 bits in bad weather, far away from the transmitter. I grew up 70 miles from the Analog TV transmitter and always had watchable TV, good weather or not. Weather alerts were always received. Now I live 30 miles from the transmitter, and lose my sound and get pixels every time the wind blows hard.. From a safety point of view, some analog channels should be allowed again(especially if the VHF spectrum is not being used). A lot of this was done so the phone companies could buy the spectrum(which they should be made to lease, it is actually public property, not sellable by the government). As to connecting my broadcast TV to the internet-I will definitely let my representatives know that requiring that must be made against the law.
Did you know there is a tv station in Buffalo NY called WBXZ-LD and it has 11 subchannels and the their main channel Cozi TV on 56.1, Retro TV on 56.2, Jewelry TV on 56.3, a local station called Throwback Television on 56.4, Buzzr on 56.5, SBN on 56.6, Cornerstore on 56.7, QVC on 56.8, another local station called Drive-in TV on 56.9, AMG TV on 56.10, Newsnet on 56.11 and This TV on 56.12 but they are in 480i
With 480i It's the only way they could actually fit that many channels with MPEG-2 encoding. No way they could have done it with 720P. Each of those channels are probably running around 1.5Mbps on average; very low bitrate even for MPEG-2. At times some may even dip as low as 0.75Mbps, probably incredibly soft video on some channels along with encoding artifacts prevalent. Something has to sacrifice at times. They use statistical multiplexing to fit it all in, but the encoder get's it wrong every once in a while and the channels get bit starved.
So is this just going to be content or will they in fact put on the big sports, news and entertainment channels? And will we be able to pay for channels in some kind of ala carte system? And I suppose this has been a biggie they have worked out, but aren't we going back in time with using air to get reception, with all those problems that can bring?
I think there will be some kind of a la carte option. OTA can be very reliable if the right steps are taken both on the broadcasting and consumer side. Most have problems with TV reception because they're using junk antennas.
Would ATSC 3.0 allow the station to simulcast the same signal over the internet that is over the air to make up for a weak antenna signal? (So they can substitute any missing packages of data. ) I thought I heard a few years go this would be an options, but I have not be able to confirm it. Plus, if stations can simulcast a signal over the internet we might not need an antenna. But that is probably unlikely.
This may be an option but I can see them charging an additional fee to access the channel over the Internet. This is the reason why they do not like Locast and are suing them.
I wonder what the range would be, since some of the channels in my area have no sound, but good picture quality, and could I potentially get more channels?
Truth and Quality. Practical and Useful Information. No sound but good picture , that is an interesting comment. So in the Tv ( or other device ) menu , are the sound settings set for SAP Second Audio Program , how ever there is no sound in the second audio program. Only on/in the first channel of the SAP.
Hi sir could you do a video about is there going to be a new gen TV in Europe,Australia,UK. And will be much better explain for Australian system next gen TV Thanks keep up the good wor👍
So what will broadcasters do to broadcast 1.0 and 3.0 in parallel. Will they drop some of their sub-channels to allow bandwidth for 3.0, or will they share open frequencies with other broadcasters, or is it a combination of both?
@@AntennaMan without cutting back on one or the other i cant see how they can squeeze it all in that 6mhz bandwidth without another transmitter tower. and that would be impossible to do without so much cross talk neither signal would be decodable
@@AntennaMan Thanks for the quick reply. We have a Sinclair station in Portland that has a translator out here on the Oregon Coast. I should give them a call and find out their plans. I am glad to hear that more sub channels will be offered,. We are starved for them out here compared to urban areas. We have 16 OTA channels, but many are not offered like Antenna TV, THIS, Decades, RTV, etc. I am hoping more will be streaming.
@@AntennaMan We do have one interesting translator out here. Different than the rest. Four out of five just offer exactly the same lineup as they do in Portland. The fifth one is a mixture of two 720p signals, both the main channel on 12.1 (KPTV Fox) and 49.1 (KPDX-MyTV). No sub channels are offered, yet both have 3 or 4 of them. Now in this case since the translator does not offer the same lineup as the mother station, I presume that Meredith that own these, could go with 3.0 sooner and give us everything on both 12 & 49, without breaking any rules. I should check on that with the CE.
This will be competitive with 5g products that could roll out. A TV could receive OTA from large towers or small ones on cell towers and even could utilize a 5g connection for additional use.
Truth and Quality. Practical and Useful Information. ATSC 3.0 Yes is important to have Reliable Transmission and Reception of the remaining channels of , 2 thru 6 , 7 thru 13 , 14 thru 36. All the channels , not just 14 thru 36. All channels , not just 7 thru 36. All channels means all channels , 2 thru 36. Way do I say this ?? Because some Humans are pushing for only 14 thru 36 , and dump 2 thru 13. Or pushing for , 7 thru 36 , and dump 2 thru 6. So you ask are there really Humans that are doing this ?? Yes there really is , more then you suspect. So you say , why would they do this , and I say think about it. They have some thing to gain. And also some Humans are just plain crazy , they are biased because the influence of other Humans. So you say , Gene Sky is the one that is crazy , Well Ok.
Hard to say. Hopefully you can transfer between Tivos because you will need a new one to pick up the new standard. Still a good five years away from 1.0 being shut off.
Probably, each station will reserve a part of its bandwidth to broadcast content that will be stored in flash memory in the TV. When you choose the show you want to watch, it'll be played from the stored copy. Not quite as flexible as true on-demand, but it'd work.
40 mbps is good if you want to transmit one 4K@60 channel with maybe another 4 1080p@60 channels all encoded with HEVC. Just the 4K stream will need 15-20 mbps to be near Netflix 4K quality (which uses HEVC too). And for the 1080p@60 streams, they need at least 5 mbps to look good with HEVC if you're watching sports or an action film. But of course they'll opt for lower quality and use the extra bandwidth to cram even more useless sub-channels. It'll still be better than ATSC 1.0, but it won't be as good as it can be.
Not cable. It's the internet. And no do not have to have the internet part to receive the ATSC 3.0 part. Yes is Ok to stay on subject. Due to the fact that many Humans go off subject and spread misinformation as their way of life.
Rat - correct, but Cable Broadcasters will be Partnering with TV Broadcasters, this means they BOTH can Monetize Broadcast TV, that they could NOT do with ATSC 1.0 the FREE internet is KEY to Delivering Premium MOVIES and content , as well as Delivering 4K Local news and Programming. it also means , you can watch Cable Programming in your CAR or on a Train , with MOBILE ATSC 3.0 , you will be able to watch 2K Mobile Programing, Live Sports and NEWS.
So in approximately 5 years, we'll be able to really cut the cord, but on streaming too (to an extent) & with mobile carriers deploying 5G this year & high-speed home internet (4G LTE up to 50Mbps currently, 5G up to 150Mbps initially *this year & up to 1Gbps eventually) will allow complete separation from the cable companies! For example I cut the cord Feb 2019 when my cable & internet bill hit $180 a month. I went the OTA route with a Televes 144180 Diginova BOSS antenna, 4 tuner SiliconDust HDHomeRun Connect Quatro & a Single Board Computer running Windows 10, HDHomeRun DVR software & a 2TB USB 3.0 HDD. However, even though 3 stations are UHF & 20 miles away & the 4th (CBS) was VHF & 35 miles in the opposite direction the channels would pixelate and/or cutout (it wasn't the antenna it's got stellar reviews, the stations around here just suck). The other whiners...I mean viewers in the house wanted AMC, A&E, TLC etc too, so it was hard finding a streaming service that had it all. Finally I found Fubo TV & it's $59.99 a month, but that includes 100 channels (all locals too), 4K if broadcast, 3 simultaneous streaming devices & 500 hours Cloud DVR. Everybody's happy & that $59.99 is NOT a promo & is the actual price I get charged every month. However, I'm still stuck with cable for internet, because the phone company's "fiber network" only get to 25Mbps for $44.99 (for 24 months) in my area 🙄, but cable I'm getting 400Mbps for $69.99 until next month (Feb 2020) then it jumps to $99.99 or I can lower it to 200Mbps & it will stay $69.99. I'm with T-Mobile (absolutely LOVE them!!!) They are rolling out High-speed Home Internet for $50.00 (all taxes, fees included & NOT a promo) it's available now, but only on 4G LTE up to 50Mbps, but later this year my area is supposed to go 5G with 150-200Mbps WITHOUT a price increase! So ATSC 3.0, T-Mobile 5G Home Internet = 🤯🥰😍🤩🥳
Is interesting , some Humans keep on adding on every thing until is even worse then where they came from. The hole situation is to do less not more. Humans !!!!
Hola se wue ustedes no habla español pero espero que pueda traducir mi comentario Mi pregunta es como se que estoy viendo canales en la norma atsc 3.0 mi tv es sony bravia 2022 y no especifica nada solo pone buscar canales digitales en autoprograme al final sale todos juntos d aquí d mi área por ejemplo los canales 2.1 4.1 6.1 23.1 y 51.1 MIAMI pero no hay nada en la guía que diga canales d nexgentv y son los 4 primeros canales d miami en nexgentv.
Encryption should NOT be allowed for OTA broadcasts in my opinion. Either make it free or don't have it at all. That's very cable like even though it's ota. Although if this is the case we can say goodbye to the cable companies
Hi Tyler! You've asked what people want to hear about, so... (1) I'm surprised more people don't ask, "Hey, isn't there supposed to be 2.0 between 1.0 and 3.0? What happened to ATSC 2.0?" (2) I'm an engineer, so I'd like to hear a more detailed explanation of things, at a freshman college level. For an example of that, see ruclips.net/video/InrDRGTPqnE/видео.html . The things I'd like to hear about: What is the physical basis of the claim that ATSC 1.0 is "fragile"? How does ATSC 3.0 fix that? Not just "it's better". Why? What is OFDM? What is 8VSB? How does it deal with multi-path? How is it spectrally more efficient? Why do VHF stations experience a "nightmare" in the digital era? Cheers!
Truth and Quality. Practical and Useful Information. ATSC 3.0 As always my on going concern is , Reliable Transmission and Reception of VHF Low Band Channels 2 thru 6. No I am not concerned about mobile transmission and reception. Yes I am aware that will most likely not work well with 2 thru 6. Or mobile will not be important for 2 thru 6. My concern is the Reliable Reception with the large receiving antenna at a fixed location. A fixed location ( as an example and not the only example ) a house. And Yes I am aware that the Humans thinking will go into over drive to divert thinking away from the subject of Reliable Transmission and Reception of VHF Low Band Tv Channels 2 thru 6. I have read many negative comments , the Truth is many Humans are just plain crazy and will not do the correct action to receive 2 thru 6. And Yes I know and am aware that some Humans will make extreme efforts to divert away from the main issue of , Reliable Transmission and Reception of VHF Low Band Channels 2 thru 6. Yes or No.
Looks like new TV's slated for production this year with ATSC 3 are only going to be OLED. That's a shame, too expensive for the mass market. It looks like the cheapest OLED TV is about $1500. A consumer can get a large LED TV for about $300. How can this take off with only OLED? It needs to come to LED before this can ever really take off, even then it's going to be years, my guess is at least 5
Nope. Subscription broadcast TV isn't a new thing. Read up on the SelecTV and ONTV services from the 1970s and 1980s, although they weren't the only ones.
What do you mean all stations in your area share an RF frequency? No they don't. The ABC affiliate and sub-channels share one 6 MHz channel, the CBS affiliate + sub-channels has another 6 MHz, the NBC affiliate + sub-channels has another 6 MHz channel and so on.
@@AntennaMan I see. But these are independent channels and PBS. You're in the Philadelphia TV market, so you're also getting all the big networks, maybe some from Scranton too?
I think he kind of mislead.. yeah you physically will still get the 3.0 signal over the air... but maybe some channels will require a set top box similar to cable tv and that box will need internet or it wont decode 3.0 ... but they probably wont do this except for non-public channels because how the hell can they force set top boxes for public tv
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Tyler, today's video has left me speechless at how good it really is. Your interviewing skills are next level. I particularly loved the techie info about modulation vs encoding and the bitrates of the new ATSC 3.0 as well as channel capacity. Seriously, you put so many RUclipsrs and professional television journalist to shame with the high quality content of this video. You really should be producing videos for national news broadcasters.
Tyler, just when you think we’ve heard everything there is to hear....It always amazes me that you find new information to share. THANKS!! 🙏 Let’s hope it all remains free.
Great channel, very interesting!
Now that's what I'm talking about, to get this notification video from Tyler A.K.A. Antenna Man to start the weekend, now it doesn't get any better than this. I love the information that you provide us with Tyler, it's really helpful and it always keeps us in the know and not only that, I (we), share this information with others, and by doing so, we make your channel grow :-) Have a safe and happy weekend Tyler (Antenna Man) you handsome devil you. :-) You are a brain :-)
Just to thank you I got a GE Attic and outdoor antenna, 70 miles range, I installed in the Attic and now my Wife is Happy.
If you mount it outside on the top of the roof, I bet you increase your range and reliability even more. The FCC says no HOA or other entity can restrict you. The wife may be a different story, of course...
To be exact, ATSC 1.0 has a 19.39 Mb rate. ATSC 3.0 is variable and can be set by the station as low as 0.75 Mb with huge error correction to maximize coverage area, or as high as 56 Mb with a small coverage area. 40 Mb is on the ambitious side. The Dallas and Phoenix tests have been running at 26 Mb for the most part, as far as I know.
You basically answered all the questions I have about 3.0. Thank You Tyler for the video.
I have been waiting for you to sort this out. 3.0 has been confusing. You asked great questions.
Interesting. 40Mbits/second (shared among all channels) with 4x the compression efficiency. So, you can go from 1080 to 4k with the same bandwidth just by moving from MPEG2 to HEVC. I just hope they allocate high bit-rates for the 4k channels that are offered.
Unfortunately, that is a bit too optimistic i'm afraid. If you want to be able to use a higher bitrate per carrier (modulation scheme) you also need a better quality or stronger signal because there will be less error control. That's just the way these digital systems work. Ofcourse they can use higher output power on the broadcast tower to compensate or you can use a better antenna but too high efficiency causes alot of reception problems. And then compression standards, Basicly there is a 30-40% increase in efficiency in every generation, so 10 Mbit mpeg2 to 2.5 Mbit HEVC is not really true. I know for a fact you really want about 4-5 Mbit HEVC for a 1080i/p channel if you want any detail. For a 2160p channel it's about 3 times as much.
Great information as always. Thank You!
THANK YOU! You answered questions I had. It's certainly food for thought. And I'm sure there will be things eventually included that few would ever anticipate, both good and not so good but not bad :-)
cant wait for Mobile ATSC 3.0 Receivers for CARS.
You always anticipate every question I have and address them. I was going to suggest a live stream Q&A but u covered all my ?s.....for now
Sounds like the future as long as it stays free. The more channels the better. More choice. More stations like Me, Antenna TV, Decades, lots of content to broadcast.
Decades, Antenna TV , Me TV yes, they are all good but how many times can you put up with Marie Osmond selling diet food, Joe Nameth selling insurance, Alex Trabeck selling life insurance, Tom Sellick saying " I KNOW WHAT YOUR DOING " How many times can you put up hearing the phrase DOT COM ?.... Thank goodness for the mute button and the channel changer on the remote. I cut the cord over 5 years ago and it's the best thing I've ever done.
J Polar Have you never heard of an OTA DVR?
@@clarkss12......no, but a have a ton of recorded VHS tapes and a few DVD's . No internet service, no telephone service except for my zombi phone I cut the cord on that when I went mobile. no cable and no computer.
Maybe we can get OTA cartoons again. Bring back Saturday morning and weekday toons.
j C That would be great. Casper, Underdog, Bugs Bunny
Great video Antenna Man! I can't wait for this transition to happen, so I can finally tell my cable provider to go "BLEEP" themselves.
Won't make a difference if they start charging for everything. And with IP, there are a lot more ways the companies can control who gets the transmission (e.g., they'll decrypt the signal only if you pay up).
The other night, I rescanned and picked up channels from 60 miles away and 180 degrees from the way my antenna is pointed. I also picked up channels from about 90 degrees north and 100 miles away.
Yeah, and how many of those channels are illegal alien oriented programs!
It is possible there may be rotating decode keys for a scrambled transmission that would require a network connection to update from the broadcaster. If it is unscrambled the connection would not matter. It is true the entire neighborhood would be getting the same update keys and this could be collectively defeated to some extent if people really wanted to.
So even if you have a slow Internet connection you might have the option of subscribing to and streaming premium HD content. If there's a broadcast close enough,of course. PPV movies and events would also be possible.
As usual...informative data and I really appreciate it,thank you very much!😊
Great jov, Tyler. You asked some really good questions
So to cut the cord, I'll have an internet connection to my TV, which is just a different cord. Then there will be registration to receive channels, then there will be subscriptions, and then the cost goes up. So now we're on that slippery slope.
but the Wireless Internet is FREE, and it works WITH your Existing Internet with a Smart TV. and at home you cant get FREE wireless internet.
Regular 4K HDTV will be Completely FREE, only IF you want to watch CBS All Access , then you pay Subscription fees.
your Local NEWS channels will still be FREE.
@@markplott4820 The whole thing I like about the antenna is anonymity. No one is spying on me. It looks like that will change.
@@buffdelcampo - not TRUE, the FCC can use a unmarked van with an antenna and see what you have on any screens or computers in your home.
I built an Antenna/Receiver to do JUST that, I often monitor my Neighbors with my rig. sort of a Neighborhood PATROL.
also the FCC can Monitor your Telecoms , because the NSA has the American INTERNET and Phone Lines TAPPED, they can Listen in through the MIC or they can simply see what websites you are Viewing.
@@markplott4820 Right now, can they see what I'm watching over the air without an internet connection to my TV?
@@buffdelcampo - YES, but they need a Vehicle or Van with an Antenna pointed at your house.
they can also use your Home Wireing to SPY on you as well.
"voluntary compliance". I imagine market saturation similar to HD audio. There are still a lot of analog radio stations broadcasting, and I don't see any end to ATSC 1.0
There's no stomach on the part of broadcasters to have ATSC 1.0 and 3.0 running concurrently in perpetuity. The whole idea is for 3.0 to replace 1.0 completely. At some point the FCC will step in and stipulate a cutoff date.
ATSC 1.0 will come to an END soon.
each Major Broadcaster will maintain 1 Lighthouse station in each market.
the Bigger broadcasters will Activate ATSC 3.0 stations and the 1.0 stations will be moved over to lower and lower channels as ATSC 3.0 comes online, until they can Finally shut down 1.0 Forever (5 years).
eventually ALL 1.0 stations will go dark. to maximize bandwidth.
@@markplott4820 There are still Amateurs braodcasting Analog
ATSC 1.0 will live on in Amateur capacities well beyond its 5 year service.
@@tornadomimicyclone6707 - NOT According to the FCC, if NON compliant , they will simply Disapperar or HAVE TO convert to the NEW standard.
@@markplott4820 Technically, that only applies to institutional broadcast TV. Amateurs don't have the same rules as CBS or fox or even PBS.
Hi Tyler,
Wow, I've really been enjoying a lot of your videos. Especially the ATSC 3.0 standard stuff. I had no idea. I'm going to keep watching your videos all day during the Coronavirus lock down here in Illinois. Also, I saw that you showed some ATSC location in the Chicago area could you tell me what that is?
I do not know the specific Chicago channels that may launch.
Very informative, I can't wait. Will ATSC 3 give stations longer range, or will range still be based on market boundries, such as cable does today?
Same range but better with multipath. All TV frequencies have limited range due to obstructions and the earth's curve.
Simplicity at its finest.
Thanks for all your information and insight. So I need to know (it keeps me up at night) how did you fix the TV with the vertical lines? LCD edge connector needed some more pressure?
Bought a used plasma the same size for $65 on craigslist
@@AntennaMan Awesome! That will come in handy when it gets cold out. How much did it weigh? They have such a vivid picture, and in my opinion a lot better than LCD, but they weigh soo much!
The important thing to me is that they just get on with it
If only audio video equipment wasn't so expensive!
I'm not sure that having the option to pay for ESPN or any another pay to view channel is such a bad thing. It is one way to bypass the cable company after all. So long as they don't lock everything behind a pay wall. I'm getting a new TV soon that has a ATSC 3.0 tuner so I'm looking forward to check out channels in the Syracuse area that are broadcasting in that format.
It won't be a bad thing, its just if ESPN will provide enough premium content to justify the charge. Over the past few years they've (and other network's sport channels) have dropped a lot of coverage of unique sports, concentrating on the usual football, baseball, basketball, hockey, which contributed to me dropping cable for OTA. The increase in subchannels would help with this, maybe even some consolidation of the sports channels into fewer premium packages that give the viewer more variety/more options.
Wow. “The 3G moment for broadcast” love it 😍
ATSC 3.0 is Closer to 5G Wireless than a Digital 3G , 3G is just a Plain Digital Radio still, ATSC 3.0 is an Internet Based Signal , that has 4K HDR and the Internet.
Japan has had WiMAX which is similar to 5G wireless, both are Internet Based Wireless Celluar communications.
IP based Radios mean , they can communicate from the Basement Level to the top floor of a tower, and the towers can Communicate with one another and communicate with other OFFSITE facility as well.
@@markplott4820 I believe the reference in the video was made regarding the impact it would have to consumers and not the actual technology.
Thank you Taylor 📡📺📶🙌
Thanks for the support, I really appreciate it.
Thanks for the great updates
Keep in mind that this is going to cost even more than 1.0 did which resulted in many small stations and groups selling to larger groups or selling their channel in the repack. The smaller the market the longer it may take. On the good side is that programmers will be able to lease channels thus offset the cost of transition but, expect some pay services.
Another question is at what point a set top receiver becomes affordable? Last time the cost remained high for years due to patent licenses and limited manufacture interest till the FCC and congress stepped in.
Meanwhile, cable and satellite companies are hard at it technically and legally to keep up. Which may be good or bad for us in the long run. One reason cable bills are so high is that most local stations and many programmers charge on average a dollar a month per viewer copyright fee! If stations run what amounts to wireless cable, the playing field may shift yet again?
New digital cameras are using the HEVC compression codec for photos.. smaller than jpeg files and retain more information.
I would like to know what kind of security precautions are being made to prevent the hacking of a consumer's local network through the TV''s built-in broadband, especially if the consumer has opted to use the return path.
It will be impressive if all that increase in bandwidth comes to pass along with better reception.
40mb is alot of bandwidth for channel capacity down the pipe hence more compressed channels
Caleb - RF Engineer
thank you very much for all the info.
When are the new TV tuners going to be on the shelves?
Probably by the end of the year. I will announce new products as they become available on this channel
One question I have is, will ATSC 3.0 greatly reduce latency between watching on a TV and watching a live stream on a smartphone, since the whole standard is IP-based anyway? Because currently the latter is WAAAAYYY delayed, like by several SECONDS, compared to the live TV broadcast, and this can be bad especially for emergency communications.
Not likely, since it was confirmed in this video that the live TV signal is still self-contained and thus not carried on the web. However, this is a good thing since the only way for them to have similar latency would be if the OTA signal had a greater delay to match the streaming feed, rather than the other way around. The reason, of course, is path complexity. The OTA signal is fed into the transmitter which broadcasts it into the air, then your antenna receives the signal and feeds it to the TV. Streaming on the other hand is a whole other beast: they have to feed their signal into and out of their network, where it then goes through some number of routers which ultimately relay it to a server, which then actively sends the stream to whichever specific systems request it - and yes, that journey also has to travel through a chain of routers. The number varies, but running a traceroute on your favorite site will attempt to list all the relays that that particular connection needed to go through to get to that website's server.
Question: What are some of the most antenna-friendly 4k TV sets? (Shows detailed signal strength/Boosting).
I just bought a TCL roku tv and the antenna viewing is awesome. It has a built in guide and shows the station logo, ID, and signal strength. you can also add favorites and hide channels off your listing
Finally, someone I can ask.
Something keeps interfering on channel 2 (54 - 60 MHz). It seems to turn on and off like a switch.
How do I deal with this - FM trap or 54 MHz highpass filter (Pico Macom Tru Spec HPFO-54MHz)?
How about a HP filter followed by FM trap?
60Mhz is very close to FM radio band. Have you considered using an FM trap? A 54Mhz High pass might cut your TV signal off below 60 Mhz too much. You could consider moving the aim of your TV antenna to reduce interference by increasing main TV signal levels. After that, then employ filters.
When will the new gen tuner box be available?
Likely by the end of the year
Thanks for getting these questions answered! By the way, what are you changing your name to?
Not changing it yet. May be fighting a legal battle. I'll have a video posted in about an hour. I'll need your help.
I hope the crtc will finally allow subchannels after stations start using atsc 3.0
Really? In Canada they don't allow subchannels from other networks? Man, the quality of the HD broadcasts must look pristine then! Before all these subchannels started popping up, the HD broadcasts were so clean and mosquito noise free video, no blockyness mess.. Similar to how in the early days of DirecTV when it was DirecTV and USSB separate subscriptions. Each of those services were running their channels around 8Mbps for SD (HD not yet on the horizon) and those channels looked so clean on a 36" TV.
Really looking forward to the bigger pipe, hopefully it will reduce the horrible video compression current on OTA broadcast model.
There is No horrible video compression with the current OTA broadcast model , ATSC 1.0.
As a matter of fact ATSC 1.0 is configured to have least amount of video compression.
The Humans have a built in ability to spread misinformation.
They never stop , they never give up , the keep chipping away at the Truth until is no long the truth.
I don't want any kind of return path on my OTA set regardless of protocol. The new 3.0 does seem like something to look forward to if the signal is more robust than the current standard.
You will likely have a return path the same way you have one with RUclips and your cell phone. Nothing is private anymore.
Will our current tvs work or do we have to buy new TVs & antennas . So should hold off buying equipment
A new tuner will be needed to pick up ATSC 3.0
Your current antenna should work fine.
How can a station transmit ATSC 1.0 and ATSC 3.0 at the same time on the same RF channel using the same bandwidth they used for their old ATSC 1.0 signal? Will they be using different RF channels or have they been allocated more bandwidth?
If you watch this video there is a part where a representative offers a 3.0 conversion system using a TV's existing spectrum. ruclips.net/video/g45Hh5OGelI/видео.html
@@AntennaMan I've watched that presentation several time and it didn't shed any light on how they can multiplex 3.0 on top of an existing 1.0 signal. I'm assuming the station is currently utilizing its full 6 MHz bandwidth already so other than IP streaming, how do you add 3.0 on top of that?
@@rpsmith "if you like your current doctor (tv station) you can keep it" sound familliar??? i dont see how its physically possible either. too much hype that the average american taught idiot will buy into imho
Thanks Tyler
Just wondering Tyler. After seeing this informative video, on a single 6 MHz wide RF TV channel in ATSC 3.0, how many 4K video feeds can be put through? I'm thinking of TV stations sharing their bandwidth, such that a 3.0 channel could have multiple competing station channels during the transition. But I am curious about how many 4K channels can be packed into a single RF channel? If you know, please advise by reply or by a new video. We'll be watching! Thanks in advance. -SS
It depends on the bitrate. Boise has one 4K and nine HD channels so probably 2 or 3 4K channels on one broadcast. Networks might charge a fee to access it.
@@AntennaMan Thank you Tyler. I was thinking that during the 3.0 transition, some different stations in a market will have to put their 4K service on a single RF channel, and I was wondering how many 4Ks could go on a single RF ch. Thanks again!
@@samsomers2716 There are some tests where the main channel over the air is 1080P, and then the internet connection augments that by adding in the 4k detail. The idea being, over the air signals are kept more robust for potable devices with smaller screens (where 4k is hard to discern) while a large screen like in the home get's the extra detail where it can be seen and appreciated.
With this new standard in the works, do you think they will be more digital broadcast networks like me TV, movies, etc.? Do you think there will be more digital broadcast over the air networks?
I've heard about a return path for ATSC 3. Does this mean there will be a transmitter in an ATSC 3 tuner or TV?
Tyler,asked the right questions,"president"was very nervous because he hit the right "nerve."I wrotte once,but still you would need internet for many tv stations,add to that,you`ll pay some fee.Only free station will be those that goverment allow.And you would need new digital converter box.or set top box,DVB T2HD,HEVC 265.Only state that uses this system before everybody is Germany.
I'm excited this time around that H.265 is being used instead of the old H.262 (MPEG-2) junk 1.0 launched with. MPEG-2 was well out of date when ATSC 1.0 was launched. It should have been done with H. 264 but, alas, no ASICs existed that decoded it as MPEG-2 did. At the time DVD players used it and the ASICs were everywhere for this to happen, I get it. Such as shame, it looked like crap on launch vs what computers and streaming already had going.
This should now bring it to parity with regular streaming services we use today for quality on OTA.
Shame they didn't go with VP9 and OPUS, both royalty free codecs and all over the internet today. Your own RUclips videos are usually using these now, with 2-3 mbps for 1080 and it looks great.
Let's hope they don't overpack and degrade the quality. 40 mbps can give you 10 really really good quality 1080p streams with modern video codecs.
The real pipe dream is to have AV-1 or some REALLY good codec being used going forward. You'll see 8k no issue at 5-6 mbps with it.
Flexibility is key.
A lot of this is Greek to me! But what I wanted to know is if any of this is going to improve signal strength? I rescanned about a week ago because channel 4 (cbs) out of New Orleans repacked and now my picture sucks, if it even comes in at all!! A lot of shows I watch are on the channel and I’m in NO position to pay for TV again even with how expensive the streaming services are now! It’s so frustrating 😤😤😤!!
This has the smell of money for broadcaster down the road,
the beginning of a way to eventually charge for over the air.
Antenna Man,
How do I deal with intermittent interference on channel 2 (54 - 60 MHz)?
I try to watch a favorite show and it cuts out. Maddening!!
Please help. Thank you.
You need a good antenna design for low VHF. There are very few of them on the market and chances are your current antenna does not have the proper VHF elements for the band. Custom antenna recommendations are avauble on my website at antennamanpa.com
Can LPTV opt to broadcast via ATSC 1.0 and ATSC 3.0?
Yes but they are unlikely to right away. The low-powered stations Edge networks owns are brand new and that's why they want to 3.0. Existing ones probably will not change for 10 years the same way they did not go from analog to digital until after 2012
There are some ATSC 3.0 coverter boxes available now for around $89.99 or $149. One of those 3.0 converter boxes may be available at Walmart, but the other one i am not sure where available. Personally, since ATSC 1.O may still be around for 5 more years, i will wait until ATSC 3.0 converter boxes are much cheaper. Some brands of 3.0 converter boxes will be better quality than others, and i will be checking the reviews for each of them as time goes on. I remember long ago when digital ota converter boxes first came out in maybe 2003, they lasted maybe 3 years before the converter box went bad. So, just keep that in mind. I hope this upgrade is worth the hype, because i am tired of all of this upgrading ota signals. I just want to pick up a lot of free channels and watch some good shows at home. I really don't see the need for a lot of bells and whistles to get free OTA channels on my tv.
I have purchased (delivering 11/2/21) a 55 Sony A90J which includes an ATSC 3.0 tuner. I currently have a Channel Master booster and a separate tuner box (I'm presuming 1.0) I got for 30 @ Amazon, including the option to record on a memory stick. So when I hook up my Clearstream 2V to the new tuner, should I ditch either the booster or the separate box?
You can keep both if you want
Have a Sony Bravia XBR 55x850D TV set to auto update on software. Update V6.1020 downloaded earlier this year that includes NextGen 3.0. Does that mean my TV will now receive the 3.0 signal? Live 60 miles east of Kansas City on farm. Scan, and receive 43 channels.
So what benefit is there for broadcasters to change from ATSC 1.0 to 3.0? If they were really concerned about loss of revenue do to cord cutters they would not even pursue changing to 3.0, would they?
I've seen some literature that ATSC 3.0 will incorporate repeaters. I'm a lifelong ham operator. Does that mean repeaters as in the same type of application as ham radio just with TV signals?
Currently stations to extend their coverage or to fill in areas with bad reception can use translators. Basically low power TV transmitters on a nearby tower to fill in an area on another channel. But carrying identical programming and information as the main channel. Often they use the main channels over the air signal, send it though a transcoder that cleans it up and puts it on a new channel or frequency. i.e. channel 15 input -> transcoder -> channel 33 output at say 1kW ERP, that fills in a valley or area blocked by terrain like a mountain. Or community too far away to receive a strong signal from the main transmitter. They sometimes use microwave paths to get around the obstruction to feed these translators if the over the air signal is too weak to pickup locally at the site.
What ATSC 3.0 allows them to do is to fill in coverage gaps within the contour or signal area of the main station without interfering with the main signal on the same frequency. In that you have an area near the main transmitter but for whatever reason, usually mountains, you have weak signal areas, but then just a mile or two over you have full city grade coverage. If you tried to fill in that area in the analog days, or with 8VSB you would cause interference. Actually ruin reception for those who didn't have a problem receiving the main station. I think there were study's done on how to properly do it, and some tests, but it was never practical to implement and would always cause some level of reception issues along the signal overlap. But with ATSC 3.0 you can put a on-channel repeater that won't interfere with reception for those that aren't in the problem area. Their receiver will just see a stronger signal combined with the main signal. While those in the problem area will now have a receivable signal that looks identical to the main signal. With the transition area between the two transmitted signals not causing issues for either one. It allows for what are called Single Frequency Networks. Europe has had this ability with their DVB-T digital transmission standard for years. It allows for frequency reuse and is very helpful in congested areas.
Wondering what would b best outdoor antenna for Gladwin, MI? Trying to find someone in area to install for me. See Geeksquad does this. What do you think of them?
Can't speak for Geeksquad. Where you are, ABC 12 will be your toughest signal. See if a Winegard HD7694P works, and aim it at 155 degrees true or 162 degrees magnetic (check your phone settings to see which one yours is set to).
And if you live on Chatterton St between MI-18 and Cemetery St, at the far eastern end of Bartlett Street nearby to that area, or along Hill Street in that town, good luck with ABC 12 with any antenna. Chatterton and East Bartlett are basically no-man's land for antenna reception in general, at least for Saginaw TV.
I wonder if, just like ATSC 1.0, it is limited to 0 bits in bad weather, far away from the transmitter. I grew up 70 miles from the Analog TV transmitter and always had watchable TV, good weather or not. Weather alerts were always received. Now I live 30 miles from the transmitter, and lose my sound and get pixels every time the wind blows hard.. From a safety point of view, some analog channels should be allowed again(especially if the VHF spectrum is not being used). A lot of this was done so the phone companies could buy the spectrum(which they should be made to lease, it is actually public property, not sellable by the government). As to connecting my broadcast TV to the internet-I will definitely let my representatives know that requiring that must be made against the law.
Thank You
useing a dvr sucks right now hope 3.0 work this out to suport 2 our more ant imputs so cover dead spot
Did you know there is a tv station in Buffalo NY called WBXZ-LD and it has 11 subchannels and the their main channel Cozi TV on 56.1, Retro TV on 56.2, Jewelry TV on 56.3, a local station called Throwback Television on 56.4, Buzzr on 56.5, SBN on 56.6, Cornerstore on 56.7,
QVC on 56.8, another local station called Drive-in TV on 56.9, AMG TV on 56.10, Newsnet on 56.11 and This TV on 56.12 but they are in 480i
With 480i It's the only way they could actually fit that many channels with MPEG-2 encoding. No way they could have done it with 720P. Each of those channels are probably running around 1.5Mbps on average; very low bitrate even for MPEG-2. At times some may even dip as low as 0.75Mbps, probably incredibly soft video on some channels along with encoding artifacts prevalent. Something has to sacrifice at times. They use statistical multiplexing to fit it all in, but the encoder get's it wrong every once in a while and the channels get bit starved.
So is this just going to be content or will they in fact put on the big sports, news and entertainment channels? And will we be able to pay for channels in some kind of ala carte system? And I suppose this has been a biggie they have worked out, but aren't we going back in time with using air to get reception, with all those problems that can bring?
I think there will be some kind of a la carte option. OTA can be very reliable if the right steps are taken both on the broadcasting and consumer side. Most have problems with TV reception because they're using junk antennas.
Would ATSC 3.0 allow the station to simulcast the same signal over the internet that is over the air to make up for a weak antenna signal? (So they can substitute any missing packages of data. ) I thought I heard a few years go this would be an options, but I have not be able to confirm it.
Plus, if stations can simulcast a signal over the internet we might not need an antenna. But that is probably unlikely.
This may be an option but I can see them charging an additional fee to access the channel over the Internet. This is the reason why they do not like Locast and are suing them.
@@AntennaMan this is only a short time away from..pay us/subscribe and we'll unscramble the local tv stations for you.
I wonder what the range would be, since some of the channels in my area have no sound, but good picture quality, and could I potentially get more channels?
He has a video About range and signal strength. It will be much better than present with less Multipath interference
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No sound but good picture , that is an interesting comment.
So in the Tv ( or other device ) menu , are the sound settings set for SAP Second Audio Program , how ever there is no sound in the second audio program. Only on/in the first channel of the SAP.
Hi sir could you do a video about is there going to be a new gen TV in Europe,Australia,UK.
And will be much better explain for Australian system next gen TV
Thanks keep up the good wor👍
So what will broadcasters do to broadcast 1.0 and 3.0 in parallel. Will they drop some of their sub-channels to allow bandwidth for 3.0, or will they share open frequencies with other broadcasters, or is it a combination of both?
Probably a combination of both
@@AntennaMan without cutting back on one or the other i cant see how they can squeeze it all in that 6mhz bandwidth without another transmitter tower. and that would be impossible to do without so much cross talk neither signal would be decodable
LPTV can change sooner, how about translators?
They can but are unlikely to for a good 5-10 years. It was the same with the digital transition many translators stayed on analog until 2015
@@AntennaMan Thanks for the quick reply. We have a Sinclair station in Portland that has a translator out here on the Oregon Coast. I should give them a call and find out their plans. I am glad to hear that more sub channels will be offered,. We are starved for them out here compared to urban areas. We have 16 OTA channels, but many are not offered like Antenna TV, THIS, Decades, RTV, etc. I am hoping more will be streaming.
@@AntennaMan We do have one interesting translator out here. Different than the rest. Four out of five just offer exactly the same lineup as they do in Portland. The fifth one is a mixture of two 720p signals, both the main channel on 12.1 (KPTV Fox) and 49.1 (KPDX-MyTV). No sub channels are offered, yet both have 3 or 4 of them. Now in this case since the translator does not offer the same lineup as the mother station, I presume that Meredith that own these, could go with 3.0 sooner and give us everything on both 12 & 49, without breaking any rules. I should check on that with the CE.
This will be competitive with 5g products that could roll out. A TV could receive OTA from large towers or small ones on cell towers and even could utilize a 5g connection for additional use.
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Yes is important to have Reliable Transmission and Reception of the remaining channels of , 2 thru 6 , 7 thru 13 , 14 thru 36.
All the channels , not just 14 thru 36.
All channels , not just 7 thru 36.
All channels means all channels , 2 thru 36.
Way do I say this ??
Because some Humans are pushing for only 14 thru 36 , and dump 2 thru 13.
Or pushing for , 7 thru 36 , and dump 2 thru 6.
So you ask are there really Humans that are doing this ??
Yes there really is , more then you suspect.
So you say , why would they do this , and I say think about it. They have some thing to gain.
And also some Humans are just plain crazy , they are biased because the influence of other Humans.
So you say , Gene Sky is the one that is crazy , Well Ok.
What planet are you from? Xenu??? 👽👽👽😆😅🤣
You know what planet I am from
What is going to happen with my tivo recordings dvrs? Will they maintain recordings capabilities after the implementation?
Hard to say. Hopefully you can transfer between Tivos because you will need a new one to pick up the new standard. Still a good five years away from 1.0 being shut off.
@@AntennaMan I believe that maybe working on a tuner adapter to attach it just like tvs.
That answers the return path question, but I'm still unclear on how on-demand video is going to work.
Probably, each station will reserve a part of its bandwidth to broadcast content that will be stored in flash memory in the TV. When you choose the show you want to watch, it'll be played from the stored copy. Not quite as flexible as true on-demand, but it'd work.
Tv memory might have to be a USB memory stick plugged into the tv
40 mbps is good if you want to transmit one 4K@60 channel with maybe another 4 1080p@60 channels all encoded with HEVC. Just the 4K stream will need 15-20 mbps to be near Netflix 4K quality (which uses HEVC too). And for the 1080p@60 streams, they need at least 5 mbps to look good with HEVC if you're watching sports or an action film.
But of course they'll opt for lower quality and use the extra bandwidth to cram even more useless sub-channels. It'll still be better than ATSC 1.0, but it won't be as good as it can be.
I'm sad because all my tvs are atsc and I recently bought a pc ota dvr card
How will this effect lower power repeater towers?
They will probably transition later than the full powered stations
For me, I'm just going to get a USB ATSC 3.0 receiver and watch the streams on my PC just like what I'm doing with ATSC 1.0.
sounds like they are bringing cable to the antenna
Not cable.
It's the internet.
And no do not have to have the internet part to receive the ATSC 3.0 part.
Yes is Ok to stay on subject. Due to the fact that many Humans go off subject and spread misinformation as their way of life.
Rat - correct, but Cable Broadcasters will be Partnering with TV Broadcasters, this means they BOTH can Monetize Broadcast TV, that they could NOT do with ATSC 1.0
the FREE internet is KEY to Delivering Premium MOVIES and content , as well as Delivering 4K Local news and Programming.
it also means , you can watch Cable Programming in your CAR or on a Train , with MOBILE ATSC 3.0 , you will be able to watch 2K Mobile Programing, Live Sports and NEWS.
will it require a new TV tuner to get this?
Yes
So in approximately 5 years, we'll be able to really cut the cord, but on streaming too (to an extent) & with mobile carriers deploying 5G this year & high-speed home internet (4G LTE up to 50Mbps currently, 5G up to 150Mbps initially *this year & up to 1Gbps eventually) will allow complete separation from the cable companies! For example I cut the cord Feb 2019 when my cable & internet bill hit $180 a month. I went the OTA route with a Televes 144180 Diginova BOSS antenna, 4 tuner SiliconDust HDHomeRun Connect Quatro & a Single Board Computer running Windows 10, HDHomeRun DVR software & a 2TB USB 3.0 HDD. However, even though 3 stations are UHF & 20 miles away & the 4th (CBS) was VHF & 35 miles in the opposite direction the channels would pixelate and/or cutout (it wasn't the antenna it's got stellar reviews, the stations around here just suck). The other whiners...I mean viewers in the house wanted AMC, A&E, TLC etc too, so it was hard finding a streaming service that had it all. Finally I found Fubo TV & it's $59.99 a month, but that includes 100 channels (all locals too), 4K if broadcast, 3 simultaneous streaming devices & 500 hours Cloud DVR. Everybody's happy & that $59.99 is NOT a promo & is the actual price I get charged every month. However, I'm still stuck with cable for internet, because the phone company's "fiber network" only get to 25Mbps for $44.99 (for 24 months) in my area 🙄, but cable I'm getting 400Mbps for $69.99 until next month (Feb 2020) then it jumps to $99.99 or I can lower it to 200Mbps & it will stay $69.99. I'm with T-Mobile (absolutely LOVE them!!!) They are rolling out High-speed Home Internet for $50.00 (all taxes, fees included & NOT a promo) it's available now, but only on 4G LTE up to 50Mbps, but later this year my area is supposed to go 5G with 150-200Mbps WITHOUT a price increase! So ATSC 3.0, T-Mobile 5G Home Internet = 🤯🥰😍🤩🥳
Is interesting , some Humans keep on adding on every thing until is even worse then where they came from.
The hole situation is to do less not more.
Humans !!!!
@@genesky61 I thought the idea was to get better service, better choices, better programming & spend less money...
I have a roku tv and my internet is connected to it to watch RUclips videos and Pluto and other services
Why is there a subscribe image always there?
To remind people to subscribe to the channel.
Now if we can just get the new receivers and have them add some new channels here in Ohio.
thats why then want to help broadcasting to new system
Hola se wue ustedes no habla español pero espero que pueda traducir mi comentario Mi pregunta es como se que estoy viendo canales en la norma atsc 3.0 mi tv es sony bravia 2022 y no especifica nada solo pone buscar canales digitales en autoprograme al final sale todos juntos d aquí d mi área por ejemplo los canales 2.1 4.1 6.1 23.1 y 51.1 MIAMI pero no hay nada en la guía que diga canales d nexgentv y son los 4 primeros canales d miami en nexgentv.
Let’s be realistic. How long will 3.0 be out there until 4.0 comes out? It wouldn’t surprise me that there are people working in 4.0 right now.
Never...
Encryption should NOT be allowed for OTA broadcasts in my opinion. Either make it free or don't have it at all. That's very cable like even though it's ota. Although if this is the case we can say goodbye to the cable companies
Hi Tyler! You've asked what people want to hear about, so...
(1) I'm surprised more people don't ask, "Hey, isn't there supposed to be 2.0 between 1.0 and 3.0? What happened to ATSC 2.0?"
(2) I'm an engineer, so I'd like to hear a more detailed explanation of things, at a freshman college level. For an example of that, see
ruclips.net/video/InrDRGTPqnE/видео.html . The things I'd like to hear about: What is the physical basis of the claim that ATSC 1.0 is "fragile"? How does ATSC 3.0 fix that? Not just "it's better". Why? What is OFDM? What is 8VSB? How does it deal with multi-path? How is it spectrally more efficient? Why do VHF stations experience a "nightmare" in the digital era?
Cheers!
Check out my other videos on 3.0. I covered nearly every question you asked in them.
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As always my on going concern is , Reliable Transmission and Reception of VHF Low Band Channels 2 thru 6.
No I am not concerned about mobile transmission and reception.
Yes I am aware that will most likely not work well with 2 thru 6.
Or mobile will not be important for 2 thru 6.
My concern is the Reliable Reception with the large receiving antenna at a fixed location.
A fixed location ( as an example and not the only example ) a house.
And Yes I am aware that the Humans thinking will go into over drive to divert thinking away from the subject of Reliable Transmission and Reception of VHF Low Band Tv Channels 2 thru 6.
I have read many negative comments , the Truth is many Humans are just plain crazy and will not do the correct action to receive 2 thru 6.
And Yes I know and am aware that some Humans will make extreme efforts to divert away from the main issue of , Reliable Transmission and Reception of VHF Low Band Channels 2 thru 6. Yes or No.
Will we then be able to block ads that we don't want to see? If we can't I don't like this idea.
The targeted ads refers to commercials that run between programs. It's not like you will see pop-ups of ads like you do on RUclips.
Looks like new TV's slated for production this year with ATSC 3 are only going to be OLED. That's a shame, too expensive for the mass market. It looks like the cheapest OLED TV is about $1500. A consumer can get a large LED TV for about $300. How can this take off with only OLED? It needs to come to LED before this can ever really take off, even then it's going to be years, my guess is at least 5
Supposedly there will be 3.0 HDMI converter boxes that'll double as WiFi routers.
I thought the law was all over the air tv was to be free to all users? How can they get away with charging some for subscriptions?
Nope. Subscription broadcast TV isn't a new thing. Read up on the SelecTV and ONTV services from the 1970s and 1980s, although they weren't the only ones.
2160p is 4k? Is that not 2k?
Madness832 “K”s refer to horizontal resolution, so 4k is 3840 x *2160*
What do you mean all stations in your area share an RF frequency? No they don't. The ABC affiliate and sub-channels share one 6 MHz channel, the CBS affiliate + sub-channels has another 6 MHz, the NBC affiliate + sub-channels has another 6 MHz channel and so on.
They do. Look up WBPH. There are ten channels on the single RF channel 9
@@AntennaMan I see. But these are independent channels and PBS. You're in the Philadelphia TV market, so you're also getting all the big networks, maybe some from Scranton too?
So do I need a new tv
New tuner so a set top box
I think he kind of mislead.. yeah you physically will still get the 3.0 signal over the air... but maybe some channels will require a set top box similar to cable tv and that box will need internet or it wont decode 3.0 ... but they probably wont do this except for non-public channels because how the hell can they force set top boxes for public tv
I think they will require internet connection at one point or another; otherwise, all this new tech is worthless if they don't get user data back.
maxbored not entirely they still can transmit 4K without high bandwidth usage