Hitting them where it hurts by telling them that ATSC 3.0 DRM may cause the standard to fail is a genius move. If they spend the money and get no payback,they will suffer as well as the viewer.
Right. At worst DRM should only be used to carry a paid event that formerly was only available on paid streaming. For now, using DRM so that a very good tuner box like the HDHomerun Flex 4 can't decode it is a very bad way to make a first impression with ATSC 3.0. I hope the next TV stations going with ATSC 3.0 will avoid doing that.
@@TexMarque I still use ATSC 1.0 because it’s easy to tune in, and DRM would defeat the purpose of using broadcast signal, people still record TV shows since streaming apps vary for different shows.
You should contact something like this to the MBA (Massachusetts Broadcasting Association) the state where ATSC 3.0 and the A3SA Headquarters are. Try to contact the broadcasters. I know you mentioned this to the Chairwoman of the ATSC 3.0 committee. maybe you'll get somewhere. Keep up the good work, Tyler!
Great speech. I was happy our local NBC affiliate dropped DRM encryption in the Columbus, OH market on their 3.0 broadcast. No DRM here at all now. Other markets need to follow suit.
Tyler, have you thought about including the "multi 4K stations on ATSC 1.0" you received from your interview of the station owner? I have to think some rural broadcasters would be very interested in pursuing that technology.
Great video Tyler... DRM should only be broadcasted if you use it as a payTV channel, nothing more! Channel 20 in detroit back in the day had OnTV and would scramble the analog signal for after hours video. That was a pay subscription and before cableTV was around. The airwaves should always be free but if you want to still have PayTV then have one of your channels encrypted, not all of them!
I still wonder if scrambling a broadcast station like that really served “the public interest.” We had a scrambled movie channel on a UHF station but there was also one that used a microwave signal with a rented antenna and receiver. It didn’t take up the space for broadcast stations.
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Tyler-VERY nicely done. Professional presentation. Looked and sounded like you knew exactly what you needed to say and emphasize. I’m certain you made a few converts and your subbed viewers will definitely appreciate your work. Thanks.
This was one of your best videos I’ve seen. You explained everything in detail on signal strength and how to handle it. You also explained in detail about OTA 1.0 and 3.0 it was extremely informative. I understood everything you talked about since I am also antenna enthusiasts like yourself.
This was a great presentation & 2 points stick out that are, in my opinion, lost opportunities and/or reasons for failure: The fact that broadcasters don’t attract younger consumers by reaching out & sell them on what they do for FREE & DRM encryption which seems to be the kiss of death for Atsc 3.0 at this point. Again, great presentation
Tyler I love your content! As an old guy with some engineering and radio chops, I have a couple of things that I hope that you will cover 1. It's content. OTA is FILLED with commercials. For the formula to fail, check out FM radio. Remember that?, we all had radios. Why did we stop using them even though every car has one? TOO many ads. When it's more ads than content, people stop using the medium 2. Mounting an outdoor antenna is tricky. Start with the ladder. Those guys with gutter guards say this all the time. Falls kill. Once you are up there, where do you bolt it? how big do the screws need to be? where is a safe spot? BTW, the chimney in your picture needs work 3. Try to find someone to do your job. There are no installers. Electrical contractors want a bizzillion dollars and hate to do this 4. Home run is great inside. You have to have power and that is sometimes not easy. My attic, no power. I would love to put the amp etc up there and get the signal wirelessly. There is no easy way to feed cables downstairs. 5. Managing the forest. The antenna is above the tree. Two or three years from now, it is below the tree. Weather makes this worse 6. The airport. Those of us in big cities or even. mid sized cities have air traffic and the FAA is trying to spread it out but this just makes the signal problem more unpredictable 7. Can we advertise the dBi for a couple of frequencies? This is a better comparison. I live less than 20 miles from the broadcast antennas and my reception is hit or miss. Why? I live on the wrong side of a hill, near an airport in the trees. 8. The reality is that cable got to be popular for a reason. It was more reliable. And this is why the internet is winning. Thanks for reading my old guy (boomer) rant. I will now sit down and shut up
@samlevine4863 , good points, but as someone who still watches OTA TV (granted, via cable, for now) and listens to the radio in the car... Whenever an extended ad break starts, I simply click or push a button to the next station. 😁👍
There are 36" and 54" installer bits as well as extensions for interior wall fishing. There's a small side hole in the end of the bit to place a pull wire with. I ran wiring from my basement to my attic through the hallway walls. Also, Klein makes fish rods for interior walls and attics. Careful planning is the key. Amazon sells this stuff.
#4 - I installed an attic antenna and ran the antenna wire down the wall next to the attic access. Attatched it to a Homerun with a small inexpensive router set up in bridged mode which sent the signal to my main router at the other side of the house. It worked flawlessly.
It would be easier if you own a home just dig a hole in the ground and rig up a fencing pole into the ground to a antenna and run a coax cable instead of mounting the antenna to your house. Why not you won't have to f**k with ladders just do the work on the ground😂 I rather watch a few videos on RUclips I'm not gonna fool with a electrical contractor for that, your behaving like a alarmist to scare people not to do this.
Another great talk at the TAB show. When you talk to local stations about doing more to promote OTA antenna tv you should suggest that they produce a short video about OTA antennas hosted by their local news anchors to explain how it works, show examples of some good outdoor antennas, tell where their transmitter is located so they can aim their antenna, etc. and post it on their website.
So I just bought a new Samsung TV with a next gen tuner so you would think everything will be fine. NO. Without a WIFI connection the channels will no longer come in from the Boston Ma. market. I just get a message channel not available. Keep up the great work Tyler.
That's for sure a problem as I work for a nonprofit for seniors, and many of them don't want, or can't afford an internet connection in their home, so having that be a requirement for ATSC 3.0 was a big mistake, plus what if someone goes camping, or traveling across the country in their RV/van/etc.., and they have no internet access because their phone doesn't have any hotspot data because of their cell plan, and they have no other way to access the internet besides their phone, then the stations won't work no matter what they do. So I think even with all the advantages of ATSC 3.0 that a lot of people should just stick to ATSC 1.0 simply because of the DRM mess that needs internet access to work.
Another great video as always Tyler, & I'm doing a talk next week on cord cutting for seniors as I've worked for a nonprofit for seniors for about 2 decades now, & many of them don't even know about OTA TV, or other ways to save money on this with an antenna, and they fall for the scam antennas they see online, and it's just frustrates me to no end that many of them refuse to give up their cable/Sat. TV, but complain about the high prices not knowing their alternative options. keep up the good work, & never give up on the ATSC 3.0 DRM BS, and because of that I'm telling my seniors to stay ATSC 1.0 for the time being till it gets fixed. ✌
How can seniors not know about OTA TV? That’s all that was there when TV started. Cable came along to try and make reception better, but that was never the ONLY way to get any local stations. Who would even set up a local “station” that was only on cable, why not make it nationwide at that point?
Excellent talk Tyler! I'm located in a fringe area of the Tucson market. I've never seen it mentioned that a station going from ATSC 1.0 to 3.0 can have a reduced coverage area. The station chosen as the lighthouse station for Tucson has a very weak signal here. The 1.0 signal was not 100% reception but was pretty good. When they switched to 3.0, reception dropped to maybe 25%. With a little research I discovered that in order to accommodate the 6 HD channels they put on this one transmitter they had to choose a modulation that required an SNR higher than 15.2 dB. I'm using the Zapperbox to receive the 3.0 station. Its Signal meter shows the minimum required SNR to lock and decode the 3.0 signal is about 19dB or a little higher. The loss of 4 dB has made the station useless here except under the best reception conditions. 😒
This DRM thing is also an accessibility issue, and truly goes backwards with current government movements for equity and equality. Not everyone can afford streaming services.
Roku Channel, Tubi and Freevee are free with ads, less ads than OTA linear TV. All of them are video on demand and also have linear TV channels including some local OTA news feeds.
I've installed a Winegard outdoor antenna wired to an amplified splitter and Tablo DVR so that live television can be buffered or recorded, and watched over any IP device. My better half still doesn't want to give up her Dish 250, so it was all for naught. Good learning experience anyway, and it works quite well at 20+ miles from the towers. The fact still remains that most OTA network programming isn't that good, but I know that's just a matter of opinion. At least I can record the local news.
I actually agree with you that most OTA network programming is garbage and leading to the death of the medium similar to what's happen with terrestrial FM radio.
@@AntennaMan Agreed on FM radio, which is why most of the time unless I need local info on something from the local talk station like during a bad storm in a power outage, I just use my YT Music subscription, Soundcloud, TuneIn, or AntennaPod for podcast even when I'm in the car using Android auto, and that's despite that our 2022 Toyota Highlander came with Sirius/XM( the free sub just ran out, and I'm not paying), and an FM HD Radio tuner built in for a handful of bonus stations in my area.
@@AntennaMan - I mostly use the Internet and pay for subscriptions to RUclips and three news websites, so that I won't be bombed with advertising. I don't want to add up what we pay out in total each month. I do appreciate the technical information that I've gained from your channel. I was a network communications tech myself before retiring. My house is wrapped with coaxial cable and CAT5e!
I read that Sony and LG ATSC 3.0 Next Gen tuners are best for this reception. I have been doing TV reception, such as Tropo and ESkip since 1960, age 16, now being 80, and soon after as an Amateur Radio Operator, 62 years. I had the TV Factbook years ago, a small volume in 1960, a bigger volume in 1965, and 2 volumes in 1976, of which I have 1976 on PDF. TV reception has changed a lot in all those year, as TV's, hardware such as RG6 coax cable instead of 300 ohm unshielded flat type antenna wire. I also had rotors for my TV antennas. Thanks for such a great technical explanation, most of which I am familiar with. No more cable TV with Communist Cast/Xflinity, Un- Optimistic or No Spectrum cable. 😅 73 de W2CH Ray and KC2NKU Marylyn.
I xan totally see using Televes lr mix antennas are pretty reasonably priced under 200 bucks. Glad im also getting a digital tv tuner to use it with my projector just to get reception for local news. I live in a rural area of Alabama.
Will you do a video about those little 300 to 75 ohm twin antenna lead to coax adapters? They are also called baluns and Ive seen them as under $1 on parts express to over $25 on amazon. How important are they and what to look for when selecting them? THANK YOU FOR ALL THE GREAT VIDEOS!
Excellent presentation ! I was wondering if it would be a good idea at the next "get together" that you mention that DRM encryption is totally pointless. Once the channel is decrypted, it can then be captured by various capture devices that are currently available from China that strip away the HDCP and encryption over HDMI. They usually are sold as 2 way HDMI splitters, and you have to be "in the know" to pick out one that does this. I have had to use them on several customer sites where they were trying to get a Comcast Cable Box output to show on multiple monitors. I actually have a few in inventory, and when I eventually get a 3.0 external tuner, I want to confirm that it will allow redistribution of DRM content. If that is the case, why waste time using DRM that someone is going to crack anyway? Screen capture on a PC with a Nvidia card is a way easy bypass when using a external 3.0 DRM certified tuner.
This was a good one. I have a video suggestion. I believe technically it's possible to have an antenna on a hill that repeats the signal and homes behind the hill can point to that repeater. The homes can then have OTA signal even with no line of sight to the antenna. I cannot find one video talking about doing it with tv signal.
Great presentation. I agree, there is not enough information, on broadcasters' websites, informing people about using TV antennas. Do you think broadcasters really care about telling people how to watch their broadcasts for free? I believe they would much rather keep this information off of their websites so that their retransmission fee(s) are not threaten.
I understand TV stations wanting to protect retranmission fees but at some point they are going to dry up with people dropping cable and at what point do they lose their entire audience? This is starting to happen already. Very few people either have cable or use an antenna because they don't know it's an option. If the trend continues, broadcast TV will end up like AM radio in 10-20 years.
There isn’t a single local station I would pay to get. If they didn’t come in with my antenna, I’d just do without them (the ABC affiliate hardly came in on VHF for a few years, they eventually got a UHF translator for my area.)
Watching this video, I got to thinking. Tying in with the fact the majority of people watch TV via streaming, it appears many apartment buildings are no longer maintaining their rooftop TV antennas, or as is the case with my building, maintenance has removed the antenna that used to be in the attic. I only know this since I had to ask about an antenna since there is an ancient 300ohm twin-lead jack on one of my living room walls. I also observed an unplugged antenna pre-amp in the laundry room, a General Instrument "Hot Band V" VHF amp from the mid-70s. I wonder if there is any way that could convince the landlords or rental companies to either maintain rooftop antennas or re-install antennas that were previously removed? A lot of cord-cutters live in apartments, and some of these apartments like mine don't allow tenants to install their own outdoor antennas or satellite dishes, meaning we are stuck with the limited placement options indoors. Making things worse is my market, Sioux Falls, SD, has two of it's four major stations on high VHF.
Landlords don't really have any motivation to install an outdoor antenna for their tenants as it's an additional expense and opens a can of worms for tenants calling the landlord when problems arise.
bang up job Tyler! You're Scranton Tyler! Small wrinkle, I use my broad band for topics/movies etc.. YT Creators, Pluto, Roku, Newsmax + etc. I haven't set up an antenna I bought yet off your recommendation (veterans). Bad me. The internet is too useful. For us here, it's WCCO and the channel that plays, Dr. Quinn, or Cagney and Lacy episodes.
37:49 its not just the younger generation that doesn't know about OTA TV, much of the older generation doesn't know either... many people think that since their old CRT with rabbit ears 'quit working' and they moved to cable because they did not understand the digital transition, or just couldn't that 'free box' to work when analog cable was cheap, had a lot more channels, and worked 'just fine' with that old TV... i was one to watch saturday morning cartoons via antenna yet most of my own generation doesn't even have a physical media collection and have long forgotten antennas are even an option... its all 'in the cloud' now... ..their music is on spotify or youtube and their favorite movies are already 'purchased' on amazon prime..
Hey Tyler when do think about low power stations getting next gen tv i have 3 low power stations in market in southbend in cw25 abc57 my michiana 69 in my area
Howdy neighbor! I'm from Elkhart and have been wondering the same thing. Heck I've been wondering which one Weigal will turn into a light house... My guess it will be 57. I just hope Weigal stays clear of DRM, otherwise I won't care. DRM is a non starter for me.
Speaking of accessibility of VHF stations and ability to reach younger generations, stations also need to keep in mind the content they are broadcasting. In my region we have two VHF stations, WHAS 11 (VHF 11) and WBNA 21 (VHF 08) which offer a ton of secondary sub-channels. Yet their signals are very weak, lower than what they were from the pre-dtv transition or analog days. WHAS was on UHF-55 pre-transition and while its power was low then, it could be reached much easier. And where WBNA 21 was a bit weaker before, it was seemly watchable with analog, because it was UHF then as well! WBNA has filed for a power increase, but WHAS has not. The point I am also trying to make here, some networks offer a lot of garbage content that I wind up removing their sub-channels after a channel scan. Things like these - True Crime Network, Quest, CourtTV, HSN, Dabl.. I mean who watches a channel for stuff to be sold on TV? Isn't that like going to RUclips, clicking on a video link only to watch the ad then leave to repeat somewhere else? I would rather have one channel and have it be solid than have the signal broke up across 6-11 sub-channels where seemingly none can be watched due to this. Tyler you have said it before on other videos, the VHF stations that are ABC seemingly do not want to increase their power, and are on VHF. That is the case with WHAS where I live.
Also the more sub channels a station has, the more compression has to be used for each one. We have a couple with 9 channels now and they look worse than good quality streaming now. The junk channels like home shopping are mainly there because they pay stations to carry them. It’s time to get rid of 480 resolution now though, even the shopping channels deserve better than that.
Most VHF/UHF antennas are VHF-HI/UHF. In my area, a station launched a few months ago on channel 3. Other than mine, I don't think I've seen 1 broadband (VHF-LO/VHF-HI/UHF) antenna around here, which means that nobody gets to see the new channel (or, should I say 4 channels?).
You're correct. Most TV antennas on the market are not low VHF capable. It's up to the TV stations to educate antenna viewers in the market to ensure their channel is picked up. Frankly, we should not be using the trash low VHF band for TV broadcasting but there's no other option in most areas as the FCC sold way too much TV spectrum to cell phone companies.
@@AntennaMan I scan regularly but never saw this one. RabbitEars wrote and asked me if I could send him a scan of that channel, so I had to look at my system. I ended up with a Winegard YA7000C, as my Channel Master stealthTENNAS didn't do the low band. Besides the technical issues, I don't know why anyone would want to launch something in the low band seeing as how antennas to pick it up are not that easy to find. And, unless the channel has some high-interest programming on it, most people will not go through the expense and trouble of changing out their antenna. I suggested to the owner that he follow the lead of that station in Eugene, OR that has 4k and 1080p programming on his ATSC 1.0 station.
We have a low-power station broadcasting on channel 3 now. Really don’t see the point of that, I’ve had it light up on my signal meter but never comes in good enough to register or show a picture.
Basically to the viewer, all they see is that now they can't receive the station any more. This is going to make them just give up on the antenna. I suggest that DRM and encryption should be removed from the standard. If it isn't, I expect that in a few years I will be lugging my TV out to the curb and switching to streaming.
Recently I started getting the same content on 2 or 3 channels back to back. I went to the menu and set it to bypass several of them. Unfortunately that seems to get reset all the time, several of the duplicate signals are not strong enough to do much more than tile the screen. My tvs really old so hopefully when it finally dies the new one will be better. I think it's over 17 years old. I've been hoping it holds out untill they have atsc3 tuners and figure out if they are going to have a standard when it comes to coding and decoding.
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I wonder, why was UHF so bad in the old days? I remember as a kid in the 70s, having a huge antenna up on the roof. Obviously all the main channels were on VHF, so the giant antenna elements were required. But I remember it also had a pretty decent UHF section sticking out the front, yet all our UHF channels were filled with static. Were they just lower powered transmitters back then? Or was the problem with the TV tuners, or lower quality coax? It is funny how it's switched in modern times. I think much of today's "VHF disadvantage" is due to most people using smaller antennas, with weak or nonexistant VHF sections. I was always under the impression that VHF should penetrate walls better than UHF.
Pro installer here: On the broadcast end, UHF needs to be broadcast from a tall tower (>1,000'), at a high ERP (in the analog days, they could go as high as 5MW) in order to cover 60+ mi over flat terrain. On the receiving end, it is paramount that the antenna has good gain (12dBd or better) and that a preamplifier, and in some cases, even a distribution amplifier was installed to overcome the loss of the cabling, splitter loss and the noise figure of the tuner itself. Because the cable loss and tuner noise figure on VHF was lower that even though there might've been decent UHF signal present at the antenna itself, a lot was "lost in translation" because of the lack of preamplifier. Tree cover and low power/low elevation UHF stations might've also played a factor. I work on flat terrain and, with a proper preamplified long range antenna, I get one UHF station (WEAU Eau Claire) booming in from their 2,000' tower sometimes at 90mi or more, consistently.
@@mattpease536 We also used ladder-line as did a lot of people back in the 1970's but we were in a desert town so we didn't have to worry about the drastic cable-loss on wet ladder-lines. Also routed the cable far away from the metal gutters. Now I would just use LMR-400-75 to run an outdoor antenna, although my current indoor homemade UHF/VHF antenna combo (horizontal UHF loop/VHF folded dipole cut for ch 3) uses just #8 solid copper wire throughout including the ladder-line spaced at 0.75" c-c for 300 ohms to an obsolete 300 ohm UHF/VHF combiner and works great. I know, it looks like an antenna scarecrow, but at least it keeps the birds out of my living room.
Even in the analog days, a lot of VHF transmitters failed to adequately cover some areas within 25 miles, much less farther distances . Since the digital conversion, many of the lower VHF stations (RF 2-6) along with some higher VHF (RF 7-13) moved to UHF range.
Do broacasters throttle the signals ? some channels i lost suddenly came back on during the olympics and all home shopping and comercials are fine until a good movie comes on ! i have to do 4 channel scans a day ! I could use your advice ! What do i need a better ant or coax cable ? I never had this prob were i live until anolog became obsolete !
Reception is generally best during the summer at night, and worst in winter during the day, though there may be exceptions to that. I have stations from out of town come in during summer at night but rarely see them in the winter.
I eventually seeing the FCC having to get involved if we reach the proposed June 2027 date to shut down ATSC 1.0 and DRM is the only thing holding up the transition. It is annoying the broadcasters being hell bent on DRM which is delaying the rollout when there are people who literally cannot receive the current ATSC 1.0 standard due to multipath issues and cannot use an outdoor antenna in an apartment building.
Free? Free? We pay with our time through commercials. Same as RUclips with ads that some greedy channels will pick the package to have more ads than USA network TV. That is saying something
Still better than paying for cable and STILL getting commercials. There’s tons of reasons why I’ve never had cable but commercials are the top reason. There are still too many on broadcast TV right now but at least I’m not paying for it, and don’t watch a lot of it as a result.
Tell me if where you're at you can decipher what I'm getting in Pittsburgh PA? I'm in the main city I am like 3 miles from CBS or channel 2 in Pittsburgh. Maybe 8 mi from WTAE channel 4 in Pittsburgh. And I keep no matter what I've tried interference interference interference. HELP, I'M A SENIOR CITIZEN AND YOU KNOW I HAVE NO CLUE WHAT I'M TRYING TO LISTEN TO TODAY.lol
1:15 Tyler… my man… if this is how you worded things.. “problems with DRM need to be addressed”.. this is why they keep pushing forward with ATSC 3.0 when it needs to be scrapped if they are gonna continue with DRM. Verbiage like this is just begging for people to run you over/ignore the request. “The removal of DRM” is the verbiage that needs to be used. I still think tv makers creating their own ATSC 4 would benefit users AND TV makers. They lobby to FTC and get it pushed through as the next standard without broadcasters since the broadcasters aren’t listening.
There is another ATSC 3 elephant in the room: AC4 audio. Since the FCC did not require the standard to use one patent pool, Dolby can stand alone with its AC4 audio patent and charge whatever they want -- or outright deny -- licenses to hardware and software vendors. Consequently, phones, tablets and other devices that lack a license or rely on software that lacks a license are shut out. For instance I can pick up unencrypted ATSC 3 signals with my HDHomerun, but I can't watch it on any devices (e.g. Android Tablet} because the software (e.g VLC) does not support it. Unless Dolby gets on board, some consumers - particularly younger, tech-inclined ones - will not use ATSC 3.
I agree but also add that many of the not so tech-inclined ones will also not watch ATSC-3 because the DRM nonsense and the issues with audio will make them think it just doesn't work and they will go with streaming
I actually live in South Texas 2 or 3 hours away from round rock, I'm a good ways away from San Antonio, I live in a small town called George West Texas, zip code 78022, I watch my TV from San Antonio, could you tell me a good antenna for my area? I'm trying to get ksat 12 back after the change over, I watch San Antonio for doctors visits.
Go to Google Maps and search "Antenna Installation near *insert closest city*" if there are any in your area, they will come up on the list. If not, you can try OnTech below: www.ontechsmartservices.com/products/outdoor-over-the-air-antenna-installation
I would like to know how many people actually watch TV over the air. I personally haven't watched broadcast TV in over 10 years and don't personally know anyone that does.
I do. I had to develop a new interest in OTA TV since dropping the huge expense of Cable TV last year. With my RCA flat antenna, I can watch my choice of 55 OTA channels. On cable only around 10 OTA channels are rebroadcasted.
Free OTA is also caving into incorporating advertisement concurrently while the main content is being shown. This hogs up the screen real estate and distracts the meaningfulness of paying attention to the content. Commercials show up as banners that run on the edges.
@@AntennaMan its easy to predict things without having to prove it. The FCC will never allow broadcasters to charge a fee for the .1 channels. I can see for pay sub-channels, but the main channels will always be freely available. Then we run into the problems of what content does the broadcasters show on their "free" channel versus their for pay sub-channels? Its going to get ugly, and the FCC is going to have to manage this. The FCC exists to protect the interests of the American people.
He was highlighting a few models he recommends. The Televes models mentioned have integrated (but replaceable) preamplifiers w/auto gain control and FM+LTE filtering, making them a complete out-of-the-box solution. With any passive antenna, you often have to add some level of preamplification (but not too much) and sometimes filtering to get it to work properly. That's not an easy out-of-the-box solution you can recommend to joe-sixpack-viewer.
Hitting them where it hurts by telling them that ATSC 3.0 DRM may cause the standard to fail is a genius move. If they spend the money and get no payback,they will suffer as well as the viewer.
Right. At worst DRM should only be used to carry a paid event that formerly was only available on paid streaming. For now, using DRM so that a very good tuner box like the HDHomerun Flex 4 can't decode it is a very bad way to make a first impression with ATSC 3.0. I hope the next TV stations going with ATSC 3.0 will avoid doing that.
Tyler, you are very well spoken, this was awesome, you did great. 🙂
Yes. It is Tyler Antenna Man. Lol TAO for short.
nice work. you've truly become a voice for the average American who wants nothing more than to access broadcast TV on their public airwaves.
Thanks for speaking, we need broadcast television to be free of DRM and anticonsumer practices of forcing upgrades or subscription services.
As long as broadcasters use DRM, I'll stay on ATSC 1.0. If it goes away, so do I. There is plenty of good streaming available.
@@TexMarque I still use ATSC 1.0 because it’s easy to tune in, and DRM would defeat the purpose of using broadcast signal, people still record TV shows since streaming apps vary for different shows.
Your presentation was very good and informative. Thanks for all you do.
You should contact something like this to the MBA (Massachusetts Broadcasting Association) the state where ATSC 3.0 and the A3SA Headquarters are. Try to contact the broadcasters. I know you mentioned this to the Chairwoman of the ATSC 3.0 committee. maybe you'll get somewhere. Keep up the good work, Tyler!
Great speech. I was happy our local NBC affiliate dropped DRM encryption in the Columbus, OH market on their 3.0 broadcast. No DRM here at all now. Other markets need to follow suit.
Tyler, have you thought about including the "multi 4K stations on ATSC 1.0" you received from your interview of the station owner? I have to think some rural broadcasters would be very interested in pursuing that technology.
Great video Tyler...
DRM should only be broadcasted if you use it as a payTV channel, nothing more!
Channel 20 in detroit back in the day had OnTV and would scramble the analog signal for after hours video.
That was a pay subscription and before cableTV was around.
The airwaves should always be free but if you want to still have PayTV then have one of your channels encrypted, not all of them!
I still wonder if scrambling a broadcast station like that really served “the public interest.” We had a scrambled movie channel on a UHF station but there was also one that used a microwave signal with a rented antenna and receiver. It didn’t take up the space for broadcast stations.
Speaks better than some politicians 👏👏👏
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??? Where did you find the time to do this?
Excellent presentation. The DRzm problem MUST be resolved so we can move on or ATSC 3.0 is dead.
Tyler-VERY nicely done. Professional presentation. Looked and sounded like you knew exactly what you needed to say and emphasize. I’m certain you made a few converts and your subbed viewers will definitely appreciate your work.
Thanks.
This was one of your best videos I’ve seen. You explained everything in detail on signal strength and how to handle it. You also explained in detail about OTA 1.0 and 3.0 it was extremely informative. I understood everything you talked about since I am also antenna enthusiasts like yourself.
This was a great presentation & 2 points stick out that are, in my opinion, lost opportunities and/or reasons for failure: The fact that broadcasters don’t attract younger consumers by reaching out & sell them on what they do for FREE & DRM encryption which seems to be the kiss of death for Atsc 3.0 at this point. Again, great presentation
Tyler I love your content!
As an old guy with some engineering and radio chops, I have a couple of things that I hope that you will cover
1. It's content. OTA is FILLED with commercials. For the formula to fail, check out FM radio. Remember that?, we all had radios. Why did we stop using them even though every car has one? TOO many ads. When it's more ads than content, people stop using the medium
2. Mounting an outdoor antenna is tricky. Start with the ladder. Those guys with gutter guards say this all the time. Falls kill. Once you are up there, where do you bolt it? how big do the screws need to be? where is a safe spot? BTW, the chimney in your picture needs work
3. Try to find someone to do your job. There are no installers. Electrical contractors want a bizzillion dollars and hate to do this
4. Home run is great inside. You have to have power and that is sometimes not easy. My attic, no power. I would love to put the amp etc up there and get the signal wirelessly. There is no easy way to feed cables downstairs.
5. Managing the forest. The antenna is above the tree. Two or three years from now, it is below the tree. Weather makes this worse
6. The airport. Those of us in big cities or even. mid sized cities have air traffic and the FAA is trying to spread it out but this just makes the signal problem more unpredictable
7. Can we advertise the dBi for a couple of frequencies? This is a better comparison. I live less than 20 miles from the broadcast antennas and my reception is hit or miss. Why? I live on the wrong side of a hill, near an airport in the trees.
8. The reality is that cable got to be popular for a reason. It was more reliable. And this is why the internet is winning.
Thanks for reading my old guy (boomer) rant. I will now sit down and shut up
@samlevine4863 , good points, but as someone who still watches OTA TV (granted, via cable, for now) and listens to the radio in the car... Whenever an extended ad break starts, I simply click or push a button to the next station. 😁👍
There are 36" and 54" installer bits as well as extensions for interior wall fishing. There's a small side hole in the end of the bit to place a pull wire with. I ran wiring from my basement to my attic through the hallway walls. Also, Klein makes fish rods for interior walls and attics. Careful planning is the key. Amazon sells this stuff.
#4 - I installed an attic antenna and ran the antenna wire down the wall next to the attic access. Attatched it to a Homerun with a small inexpensive router set up in bridged mode which sent the signal to my main router at the other side of the house. It worked flawlessly.
It would be easier if you own a home just dig a hole in the ground and rig up a fencing pole into the ground to a antenna and run a coax cable instead of mounting the antenna to your house. Why not you won't have to f**k with ladders just do the work on the ground😂 I rather watch a few videos on RUclips I'm not gonna fool with a electrical contractor for that, your behaving like a alarmist to scare people not to do this.
Towing the line to tell people keep paying for others do it for them.
Another great talk at the TAB show. When you talk to local stations about doing more to promote OTA antenna tv you should suggest that they produce a short video about OTA antennas hosted by their local news anchors to explain how it works, show examples of some good outdoor antennas, tell where their transmitter is located so they can aim their antenna, etc. and post it on their website.
So I just bought a new Samsung TV with a next gen tuner so you would think everything will be fine. NO. Without a WIFI connection the channels will no longer come in from the Boston Ma. market. I just get a message channel not available. Keep up the great work Tyler.
That's for sure a problem as I work for a nonprofit for seniors, and many of them don't want, or can't afford an internet connection in their home, so having that be a requirement for ATSC 3.0 was a big mistake, plus what if someone goes camping, or traveling across the country in their RV/van/etc.., and they have no internet access because their phone doesn't have any hotspot data because of their cell plan, and they have no other way to access the internet besides their phone, then the stations won't work no matter what they do. So I think even with all the advantages of ATSC 3.0 that a lot of people should just stick to ATSC 1.0 simply because of the DRM mess that needs internet access to work.
Once again you nailed it. I am a big wbbm fan. When atsc 3 rolled out, they made sure we all knew about it and did loads of advertising about it
Another great video as always Tyler, & I'm doing a talk next week on cord cutting for seniors as I've worked for a nonprofit for seniors for about 2 decades now, & many of them don't even know about OTA TV, or other ways to save money on this with an antenna, and they fall for the scam antennas they see online, and it's just frustrates me to no end that many of them refuse to give up their cable/Sat. TV, but complain about the high prices not knowing their alternative options. keep up the good work, & never give up on the ATSC 3.0 DRM BS, and because of that I'm telling my seniors to stay ATSC 1.0 for the time being till it gets fixed. ✌
How can seniors not know about OTA TV? That’s all that was there when TV started. Cable came along to try and make reception better, but that was never the ONLY way to get any local stations. Who would even set up a local “station” that was only on cable, why not make it nationwide at that point?
Thanks as always!
Great Job sir and The antenna I bought last year per your recommendation still kicks ###.
Hello Tyler, Just wanted to thank you for all your service you provide on your RUclips channel.
Welcome to Texas, and thank you for your antenna advisory service you provided to us.
Excellent talk Tyler! I'm located in a fringe area of the Tucson market. I've never seen it mentioned that a station going from ATSC 1.0 to 3.0 can have a reduced coverage area. The station chosen as the lighthouse station for Tucson has a very weak signal here. The 1.0 signal was not 100% reception but was pretty good. When they switched to 3.0, reception dropped to maybe 25%. With a little research I discovered that in order to accommodate the 6 HD channels they put on this one transmitter they had to choose a modulation that required an SNR higher than 15.2 dB. I'm using the Zapperbox to receive the 3.0 station. Its Signal meter shows the minimum required SNR to lock and decode the 3.0 signal is about 19dB or a little higher. The loss of 4 dB has made the station useless here except under the best reception conditions. 😒
Very good presentation, especially on ATSC 3.0. I am skeptical about 3.0 and the DRM that anchors in down and away from viewers.
You did a great job presenting and educating. Clear and concise! Congrats
Thank you Tyler as you are our voice!
A great presentation! Lots of good info. Not too technical.
Very impressive presentation you delivered, Tyler! Congratulations on a job very well done.
Take care and God Bless.
Thank you mr antenna man
Nice job Tyler !! For getting the DMR encryption out in the OPEN !!! Thanks
DMR should have never been slipped in anyway!
My respect Tyler. Keep up the good work.
Very impressive presentation. Loved it.
Good Job Tyler.... Stay safe
This DRM thing is also an accessibility issue, and truly goes backwards with current government movements for equity and equality. Not everyone can afford streaming services.
Roku Channel, Tubi and Freevee are free with ads, less ads than OTA linear TV. All of them are video on demand and also have linear TV channels including some local OTA news feeds.
Great presentation Tyler! Very informative for every one.
I've installed a Winegard outdoor antenna wired to an amplified splitter and Tablo DVR so that live television can be buffered or recorded, and watched over any IP device. My better half still doesn't want to give up her Dish 250, so it was all for naught. Good learning experience anyway, and it works quite well at 20+ miles from the towers.
The fact still remains that most OTA network programming isn't that good, but I know that's just a matter of opinion. At least I can record the local news.
I actually agree with you that most OTA network programming is garbage and leading to the death of the medium similar to what's happen with terrestrial FM radio.
@@AntennaMan Agreed on FM radio, which is why most of the time unless I need local info on something from the local talk station like during a bad storm in a power outage, I just use my YT Music subscription, Soundcloud, TuneIn, or AntennaPod for podcast even when I'm in the car using Android auto, and that's despite that our 2022 Toyota Highlander came with Sirius/XM( the free sub just ran out, and I'm not paying), and an FM HD Radio tuner built in for a handful of bonus stations in my area.
@@AntennaMan - I mostly use the Internet and pay for subscriptions to RUclips and three news websites, so that I won't be bombed with advertising. I don't want to add up what we pay out in total each month. I do appreciate the technical information that I've gained from your channel. I was a network communications tech myself before retiring. My house is wrapped with coaxial cable and CAT5e!
I read that Sony and LG ATSC 3.0 Next
Gen tuners are best for this reception.
I have been doing TV reception, such
as Tropo and ESkip since 1960, age 16,
now being 80, and soon after as an
Amateur Radio Operator, 62 years.
I had the TV Factbook years ago, a
small volume in 1960, a bigger volume
in 1965, and 2 volumes in 1976, of
which I have 1976 on PDF.
TV reception has changed a lot in all
those year, as TV's, hardware such as
RG6 coax cable instead of 300 ohm
unshielded flat type antenna wire.
I also had rotors for my TV antennas.
Thanks for such a great technical
explanation, most of which I am
familiar with. No more cable TV
with Communist Cast/Xflinity, Un-
Optimistic or No Spectrum cable. 😅
73 de W2CH Ray and KC2NKU Marylyn.
Great presentation, Tyler.
I xan totally see using Televes lr mix antennas are pretty reasonably priced under 200 bucks. Glad im also getting a digital tv tuner to use it with my projector just to get reception for local news. I live in a rural area of Alabama.
Great video. Do the networks even care about OTA broadcasts anymore? It seems like they make more selling the stuff to cable and satellite companies?
That is probably true. Maybe that is why DRM is showing up.
CUDOS, to you Tyler. very ice and to the point. Thank you Tyler!!
My man Tyler, please do your side to side head bob and Bla Bla Bla on every video as your signature. It was glorious. Do not deny us this. Lol
Will you do a video about those little 300 to 75 ohm twin antenna lead to coax adapters? They are also called baluns and Ive seen them as under $1 on parts express to over $25 on amazon. How important are they and what to look for when selecting them? THANK YOU FOR ALL THE GREAT VIDEOS!
Excellent presentation ! I was wondering if it would be a good idea at the next "get together" that you mention that DRM encryption is totally pointless. Once the channel is decrypted, it can then be captured by various capture devices that are currently available from China that strip away the HDCP and encryption over HDMI. They usually are sold as 2 way HDMI splitters, and you have to be "in the know" to pick out one that does this. I have had to use them on several customer sites where they were trying to get a Comcast Cable Box output to show on multiple monitors. I actually have a few in inventory, and when I eventually get a 3.0 external tuner, I want to confirm that it will allow redistribution of DRM content. If that is the case, why waste time using DRM that someone is going to crack anyway? Screen capture on a PC with a Nvidia card is a way easy bypass when using a external 3.0 DRM certified tuner.
This was a good one. I have a video suggestion. I believe technically it's possible to have an antenna on a hill that repeats the signal and homes behind the hill can point to that repeater. The homes can then have OTA signal even with no line of sight to the antenna. I cannot find one video talking about doing it with tv signal.
Interesting idea. It most likely would involve a re-transmission agreement and licensing.
17:10 Everybody is getting their phones out to buy the antennas you listed...
HOWdy T-A-M, ...
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Great presentation. I agree, there is not enough information, on broadcasters' websites, informing people about using TV antennas. Do you think broadcasters really care about telling people how to watch their broadcasts for free? I believe they would much rather keep this information off of their websites so that their retransmission fee(s) are not threaten.
I understand TV stations wanting to protect retranmission fees but at some point they are going to dry up with people dropping cable and at what point do they lose their entire audience? This is starting to happen already. Very few people either have cable or use an antenna because they don't know it's an option. If the trend continues, broadcast TV will end up like AM radio in 10-20 years.
There isn’t a single local station I would pay to get. If they didn’t come in with my antenna, I’d just do without them (the ABC affiliate hardly came in on VHF for a few years, they eventually got a UHF translator for my area.)
Tyler, you are the man!
Great presentation Thanks!!👍😎
Watching this video, I got to thinking. Tying in with the fact the majority of people watch TV via streaming, it appears many apartment buildings are no longer maintaining their rooftop TV antennas, or as is the case with my building, maintenance has removed the antenna that used to be in the attic. I only know this since I had to ask about an antenna since there is an ancient 300ohm twin-lead jack on one of my living room walls. I also observed an unplugged antenna pre-amp in the laundry room, a General Instrument "Hot Band V" VHF amp from the mid-70s. I wonder if there is any way that could convince the landlords or rental companies to either maintain rooftop antennas or re-install antennas that were previously removed? A lot of cord-cutters live in apartments, and some of these apartments like mine don't allow tenants to install their own outdoor antennas or satellite dishes, meaning we are stuck with the limited placement options indoors. Making things worse is my market, Sioux Falls, SD, has two of it's four major stations on high VHF.
Landlords don't really have any motivation to install an outdoor antenna for their tenants as it's an additional expense and opens a can of worms for tenants calling the landlord when problems arise.
Great presentation. My only suggestion is when you get a question repeat the question. I can't hear the audience speaker.
Excellent presentation.
Excellent presentation!
bang up job Tyler! You're Scranton Tyler! Small wrinkle, I use my broad band for topics/movies etc.. YT Creators, Pluto, Roku, Newsmax + etc. I haven't set up an antenna I bought yet off your recommendation (veterans). Bad me. The internet is too useful. For us here, it's WCCO and the channel that plays, Dr. Quinn, or Cagney and Lacy episodes.
37:49 its not just the younger generation that doesn't know about OTA TV, much of the older generation doesn't know either... many people think that since their old CRT with rabbit ears 'quit working' and they moved to cable because they did not understand the digital transition, or just couldn't that 'free box' to work when analog cable was cheap, had a lot more channels, and worked 'just fine' with that old TV... i was one to watch saturday morning cartoons via antenna yet most of my own generation doesn't even have a physical media collection and have long forgotten antennas are even an option... its all 'in the cloud' now... ..their music is on spotify or youtube and their favorite movies are already 'purchased' on amazon prime..
LOL. You can hear people laughing after you said "940 mile range claim" at 10:13.
Hey Tyler when do think about low power stations getting next gen tv i have 3 low power stations in market in southbend in cw25 abc57 my michiana 69 in my area
Howdy neighbor! I'm from Elkhart and have been wondering the same thing. Heck I've been wondering which one Weigal will turn into a light house... My guess it will be 57. I just hope Weigal stays clear of DRM, otherwise I won't care. DRM is a non starter for me.
@@Phoenix6652 will did update cw 25 tower this year
Great job Tyler!
Senclair was big on ATSC 3.0.
Also, was KHOU there? Those trash encrypt their station.
Representatives from several broadcast companies including Sinclair and Tegna were in attendance so most likely yes.
Is DRM a channel you can't get with just a OTA TV but can get with a smart TV with internet connection?
Speaking of accessibility of VHF stations and ability to reach younger generations, stations also need to keep in mind the content they are broadcasting. In my region we have two VHF stations, WHAS 11 (VHF 11) and WBNA 21 (VHF 08) which offer a ton of secondary sub-channels. Yet their signals are very weak, lower than what they were from the pre-dtv transition or analog days. WHAS was on UHF-55 pre-transition and while its power was low then, it could be reached much easier. And where WBNA 21 was a bit weaker before, it was seemly watchable with analog, because it was UHF then as well! WBNA has filed for a power increase, but WHAS has not. The point I am also trying to make here, some networks offer a lot of garbage content that I wind up removing their sub-channels after a channel scan. Things like these - True Crime Network, Quest, CourtTV, HSN, Dabl.. I mean who watches a channel for stuff to be sold on TV? Isn't that like going to RUclips, clicking on a video link only to watch the ad then leave to repeat somewhere else? I would rather have one channel and have it be solid than have the signal broke up across 6-11 sub-channels where seemingly none can be watched due to this. Tyler you have said it before on other videos, the VHF stations that are ABC seemingly do not want to increase their power, and are on VHF. That is the case with WHAS where I live.
Also the more sub channels a station has, the more compression has to be used for each one. We have a couple with 9 channels now and they look worse than good quality streaming now. The junk channels like home shopping are mainly there because they pay stations to carry them. It’s time to get rid of 480 resolution now though, even the shopping channels deserve better than that.
Most VHF/UHF antennas are VHF-HI/UHF. In my area, a station launched a few months ago on channel 3. Other than mine, I don't think I've seen 1 broadband (VHF-LO/VHF-HI/UHF) antenna around here, which means that nobody gets to see the new channel (or, should I say 4 channels?).
You're correct. Most TV antennas on the market are not low VHF capable. It's up to the TV stations to educate antenna viewers in the market to ensure their channel is picked up. Frankly, we should not be using the trash low VHF band for TV broadcasting but there's no other option in most areas as the FCC sold way too much TV spectrum to cell phone companies.
@@AntennaMan I scan regularly but never saw this one. RabbitEars wrote and asked me if I could send him a scan of that channel, so I had to look at my system. I ended up with a Winegard YA7000C, as my Channel Master stealthTENNAS didn't do the low band. Besides the technical issues, I don't know why anyone would want to launch something in the low band seeing as how antennas to pick it up are not that easy to find. And, unless the channel has some high-interest programming on it, most people will not go through the expense and trouble of changing out their antenna. I suggested to the owner that he follow the lead of that station in Eugene, OR that has 4k and 1080p programming on his ATSC 1.0 station.
@ednielsen3331 Here in Connecticut we have a channel broadcasting on channel 2. I think it's called outdoor TV but I don't know more about it.
We have a low-power station broadcasting on channel 3 now. Really don’t see the point of that, I’ve had it light up on my signal meter but never comes in good enough to register or show a picture.
Basically to the viewer, all they see is that now they can't receive the station any more. This is going to make them just give up on the antenna. I suggest that DRM and encryption should be removed from the standard. If it isn't, I expect that in a few years I will be lugging my TV out to the curb and switching to streaming.
Recently I started getting the same content on 2 or 3 channels back to back. I went to the menu and set it to bypass several of them. Unfortunately that seems to get reset all the time, several of the duplicate signals are not strong enough to do much more than tile the screen. My tvs really old so hopefully when it finally dies the new one will be better. I think it's over 17 years old. I've been hoping it holds out untill they have atsc3 tuners and figure out if they are going to have a standard when it comes to coding and decoding.
Thanks
Well Done, Tyler!
Some Sony TV's can get next gen 3.0, is there away for a Sony TV to output that decoded DRM signal to another TV or Tablo?
Great presentation, and I would review those signal meters in a future video!
I already reviewed them. See video below. Make sure to check out some of my older videos as well since you likely missed more in addition to this one. ruclips.net/video/1_Cy08x5qeY/видео.html
@@AntennaMan Thanks!
I wonder, why was UHF so bad in the old days? I remember as a kid in the 70s, having a huge antenna up on the roof. Obviously all the main channels were on VHF, so the giant antenna elements were required. But I remember it also had a pretty decent UHF section sticking out the front, yet all our UHF channels were filled with static. Were they just lower powered transmitters back then? Or was the problem with the TV tuners, or lower quality coax? It is funny how it's switched in modern times. I think much of today's "VHF disadvantage" is due to most people using smaller antennas, with weak or nonexistant VHF sections. I was always under the impression that VHF should penetrate walls better than UHF.
Pro installer here:
On the broadcast end, UHF needs to be broadcast from a tall tower (>1,000'), at a high ERP (in the analog days, they could go as high as 5MW) in order to cover 60+ mi over flat terrain.
On the receiving end, it is paramount that the antenna has good gain (12dBd or better) and that a preamplifier, and in some cases, even a distribution amplifier was installed to overcome the loss of the cabling, splitter loss and the noise figure of the tuner itself.
Because the cable loss and tuner noise figure on VHF was lower that even though there might've been decent UHF signal present at the antenna itself, a lot was "lost in translation" because of the lack of preamplifier. Tree cover and low power/low elevation UHF stations might've also played a factor.
I work on flat terrain and, with a proper preamplified long range antenna, I get one UHF station (WEAU Eau Claire) booming in from their 2,000' tower sometimes at 90mi or more, consistently.
@@mattpease536 We also used ladder-line as did a lot of people back in the 1970's but we were in a desert town so we didn't have to worry about the drastic cable-loss on wet ladder-lines. Also routed the cable far away from the metal gutters. Now I would just use LMR-400-75 to run an outdoor antenna, although my current indoor homemade UHF/VHF antenna combo (horizontal UHF loop/VHF folded dipole cut for ch 3) uses just #8 solid copper wire throughout including the ladder-line spaced at 0.75" c-c for 300 ohms to an obsolete 300 ohm UHF/VHF combiner and works great. I know, it looks like an antenna scarecrow, but at least it keeps the birds out of my living room.
Even in the analog days, a lot of VHF transmitters failed to adequately cover some areas within 25 miles, much less farther distances . Since the digital conversion, many of the lower VHF stations (RF 2-6) along with some higher VHF (RF 7-13) moved to UHF range.
Low VHF always had more interference than other channels. Analog channel 3 was full of noise here.
Do broacasters throttle the signals ? some channels i lost suddenly came back on during the olympics and all home shopping and comercials are fine until a good movie comes on ! i have to do 4 channel scans a day ! I could use your advice ! What do i need a better ant or coax cable ? I never had this prob were i live until anolog became obsolete !
Reception is generally best during the summer at night, and worst in winter during the day, though there may be exceptions to that. I have stations from out of town come in during summer at night but rarely see them in the winter.
Does anyone know if someone can hack you by pointing a huge antenna?
My neighbor has one facing my home. 🤔🤔
I eventually seeing the FCC having to get involved if we reach the proposed June 2027 date to shut down ATSC 1.0 and DRM is the only thing holding up the transition. It is annoying the broadcasters being hell bent on DRM which is delaying the rollout when there are people who literally cannot receive the current ATSC 1.0 standard due to multipath issues and cannot use an outdoor antenna in an apartment building.
good demostration
Free? Free? We pay with our time through commercials. Same as RUclips with ads that some greedy channels will pick the package to have more ads than USA network TV. That is saying something
Still better than paying for cable and STILL getting commercials. There’s tons of reasons why I’ve never had cable but commercials are the top reason. There are still too many on broadcast TV right now but at least I’m not paying for it, and don’t watch a lot of it as a result.
@@TheMediaHoarder your comment does not disprove my comment.
Great job!
I've talked about it before; don't be surprised if in the future they start charging for OTA.
They want all the channels to be nationalized.
I would just do without if that happened, but wouldn’t the FCC still at least require a source for emergency info?
Tell me if where you're at you can decipher what I'm getting in Pittsburgh PA? I'm in the main city I am like 3 miles from CBS or channel 2 in Pittsburgh. Maybe 8 mi from WTAE channel 4 in Pittsburgh.
And I keep no matter what I've tried interference interference interference. HELP, I'M A SENIOR CITIZEN AND YOU KNOW I HAVE NO CLUE WHAT I'M TRYING TO LISTEN TO TODAY.lol
Great talk.
Always thought your last name would Durden. 😂
I always thought it was Antennaman and that his middle name was The
With DRM hitting OTA, whats the point might as well pirate tv series and, save it on your hard drives and other storage devices.
1:15 Tyler… my man… if this is how you worded things.. “problems with DRM need to be addressed”.. this is why they keep pushing forward with ATSC 3.0 when it needs to be scrapped if they are gonna continue with DRM. Verbiage like this is just begging for people to run you over/ignore the request. “The removal of DRM” is the verbiage that needs to be used. I still think tv makers creating their own ATSC 4 would benefit users AND TV makers. They lobby to FTC and get it pushed through as the next standard without broadcasters since the broadcasters aren’t listening.
The real question is how is DRM HELPING anyone?
There is another ATSC 3 elephant in the room: AC4 audio.
Since the FCC did not require the standard to use one patent pool, Dolby can stand alone with its AC4 audio patent and charge whatever they want -- or outright deny -- licenses to hardware and software vendors. Consequently, phones, tablets and other devices that lack a license or rely on software that lacks a license are shut out. For instance I can pick up unencrypted ATSC 3 signals with my HDHomerun, but I can't watch it on any devices (e.g. Android Tablet} because the software (e.g VLC) does not support it.
Unless Dolby gets on board, some consumers - particularly younger, tech-inclined ones - will not use ATSC 3.
I agree but also add that many of the not so tech-inclined ones will also not watch ATSC-3 because the DRM nonsense and the issues with audio will make them think it just doesn't work and they will go with streaming
@@kensmith5694 As Tyler said in the presentation, streaming lacks local content. Sports? Might as well get cable because the leagues charge big bucks.
I actually live in South Texas 2 or 3 hours away from round rock, I'm a good ways away from San Antonio, I live in a small town called George West Texas, zip code 78022, I watch my TV from San Antonio, could you tell me a good antenna for my area? I'm trying to get ksat 12 back after the change over, I watch San Antonio for doctors visits.
Where should a Antenna planner turn to get professional installation? Or is this mostly a DIY product.
Go to Google Maps and search "Antenna Installation near *insert closest city*" if there are any in your area, they will come up on the list. If not, you can try OnTech below: www.ontechsmartservices.com/products/outdoor-over-the-air-antenna-installation
@@AntennaMan Thank you Great talk today
Really cool!
your awsome!!!!!!
DRM Enshittification
I would like to know how many people actually watch TV over the air. I personally haven't watched broadcast TV in over 10 years and don't personally know anyone that does.
I do. I had to develop a new interest in OTA TV since dropping the huge expense of Cable TV last year. With my RCA flat antenna, I can watch my choice of 55 OTA channels. On cable only around 10 OTA channels are rebroadcasted.
It's not that we couldn't afford it but maybe we didn't need it😂
Amen
good 2 know !!!
Free OTA is also caving into incorporating advertisement concurrently while the main content is being shown. This hogs up the screen real estate and distracts the meaningfulness of paying attention to the content. Commercials show up as banners that run on the edges.
Great it's not as if smart TVs already do the exact same damn thing when you're not even playing anything and you're just at the home screen.
The movie is starting 🍿
Whats coming sooner rather than later is pay for local antenna channels Then prices will increase yearly.By then AM radio will be gone.
Yes, this will eventually happen if DRM is allowed on ATSC 3.0.
@@AntennaMan its easy to predict things without having to prove it. The FCC will never allow broadcasters to charge a fee for the .1 channels. I can see for pay sub-channels, but the main channels will always be freely available. Then we run into the problems of what content does the broadcasters show on their "free" channel versus their for pay sub-channels? Its going to get ugly, and the FCC is going to have to manage this. The FCC exists to protect the interests of the American people.
Do you think your comments will help.
Tyler has a last name? That doesn't seem right.
I forgot to cut it out. Hopefully it doesn't cause an issue as viewers have obtained my personal phone number in the past.
@@AntennaMan I would never do that, but is is nice to know you have a last name. If I need to contact you, I will use your email address.
@@AntennaMan Plain ol' Antenna Man works for me. You could pull it, bleep out the name, then repost.
@@AntennaManThat's just sad. You provide information to benefit of thousands of people...and it's information that isn't found in many places.
Obtain a separate phone number from Google voice or other VoIP source for your business. Don't give out personal phone numbers.
He left out SKY BLUE antennas
He was highlighting a few models he recommends. The Televes models mentioned have integrated (but replaceable) preamplifiers w/auto gain control and FM+LTE filtering, making them a complete out-of-the-box solution. With any passive antenna, you often have to add some level of preamplification (but not too much) and sometimes filtering to get it to work properly. That's not an easy out-of-the-box solution you can recommend to joe-sixpack-viewer.