Audio of MID-AIR CRASH into Potomac River | Regional Jet and Black Hawk Helicopter
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2025
- 29/JAN/2025
PSA Airlines performing flight from Wichita to Washington National was on short final circling for runway 33 when the aircraft collided with a Military Army Sikorsky UH-60 and both aircraft fell into the Potomac River.
Local Police reported no survivors.
After confirmation on another frequency, PAT25 is heard during the following communication with Tower. Listen to that audio here • Last Radio from Army H...
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After confirmation on another frequency, PAT25 is heard during the following communication with Tower. Listen to that audio here ruclips.net/video/r90Xw3tQC0I/видео.html
To everyone who lost anyone, my heart is breaking. To the personnel at DCA and rescue personnel, my heart is with you. I can't imagine how unbearable this is, especially for the local controller, who did everything right.
I cannot imagine what this level of loss must feel like for everyone involved. My heart goes out to those who lost someone, sending prayers and well wishes your way.
I am offering my thoughts, prayers, and heartfelt condolences to those affected by the events of this Mid-air collision. First Responders, NTSB, FBI, Homeland Security, FAA, and others are monitoring this too.
R.I.P to all the innocent people on board both aircraft who died in this accident 🙏
May the Lord take all lost to the gate to heaven. Psalm 23 to families. ❤❤❤❤
The plane DID NOT COLIDE WITH THE HELO. The helo collided with the plane. The plane was exactly where it was supposed to be.
I keep seeing the news saying it the other way around and it's annoying me as well
Exactly! The headline should be changed!!!
I read the story last night with almost no info. Army Helo, pretty much a guarantee they did whatever they wanted. Sadly the investigation will take months and they will find a way to blame others.
trainee helicopter pilot?
They shouldn’t be doing any night missions in these populated areas. Why were they not identified on radar, all the other planes were. Insane all those lives lost due to neglect.
This video is more informative than the hours of press conferences they are holding right now
And this chat.
Really though!! Watching a dozen different officials from various agencies be introduced, come up & then recite the same version of events/facts as the official before them is not making the picture any clearer!
Wow you’re just figuring that out about RUclips now? Jeez man
Indeed!!
@@EmilyJNoe Let's not forget the useless recitation of prayers. And I'm increasingly unimpressed with the 'people in charge' EVERYWHERE.
Imagine waiting to pick up your family or friends at the terminal only for their plane to crash just before landing..... God bless their souls man.
I'm pretty sure my old flight instructor was the first officer on the crj. I've tried calling and texting him and gotten no response I know he was flying last night and he Flys that route he has 2 years on and in the press conference they stated the pilot had 6 years and the fo had 2 years in the 6 years I've know him he has never left me hanging this long
Yes it's unfortunate, most plane accidents happen when landing or taking off.
@@hueginvieny7959shit I’m so sorry. I hope you get information soon, and if it’s the worst case scenario then may his memory be for a blessing and please be kind to yourself today.
And the passengers in the other planes waiting to take off &/ boarding planes who saw/heard the accident.
@@hueginvieny7959man I feel really bad for you dude. You sure it could have been him? Man😢 We live in a fallen world, trust in Christ I guess you really never know when it’s your time. I think you should probably anticipate the worst because 6 years is a long time and suddenly they aren’t responding.
This video explains it in “real time” and is better than all of MainStream media combined….excellent presentation.
Yeah, it's disappointing to see all of the media getting it wrong, when they could literally just watch this video and get a clearer picture of what happened.
é incrível o estadunidense possuir uma visão de mundo totalmente distorcida em relação a os outros países. Tudo devido à mídia.
@@quandovcestivernoyoutube you have your own distortions you’re probably unaware of
@@ExpertContrarianas a fellow american you guys who watch the news are very misinformed and annoying
@@Lethal_Spoon “You guys.” You have no idea what you’re talking about 🤣
Had a colleague in this flight. Found out an hour after I sent him an email. An email pertaining to the site visit in DC he was supposed to do this next morning. I didn’t know him closely but he was an extremely good man from my interactions with him and his close colleagues have sang nothing but the highest praises of him. A tragedy of an event. Rest in peace everyone involved
Edit: Thank you to everyone offering prayers and condolences. I ask you send them to his family and close friends, and to everyone on the flight. He was a truly standout guy and I am sure there are countless others who were onboard. Stay safe everyone
Sorry for your loss.
@@saratemp790 thank you friend
I'm sorry for your loss, it's horrific for everyone involved.
Totally unrelated but I love your profile name as a reptile enthusiast.
Condolences to everyone affected 😢❤
Such a tragedy to lose innocent young athletes as well.
🙏
Heard from a coworker we lost 4 union brothers on that flight.
It's absolutely insane that these helicopters are allowed to fly straight through the flight path of airliners on final approach relying only on sight - AT NIGHT - for separation.
The chopper went straight for the plane hands down anyone that can not realize that is willfully dense or just straight up stupid
Yes that is crazy...........should not be allowed....
Happens ALL THE TIME, ESPECIALLY In This Area.
Changes Will Happen Now That This ACCIDENT Has Happened.
ie: INSTEAD Of ASKING The HELO CREW IF They SEE The Airliner... They SHOULD HAVE BEEN TOLD... TO TAKE EVASIVE ACTION, A Turn LEFT OR RIGHT To Avoid The AIRLINER.
But This Is Just MONDAY MORNING QUARTER BACKING After The Game/Event 😳
@@monalisanail5431 shut up
@@TheMountain143 with the line off airplanes landing on 01, I bet they called the wrong traffic in sight and didn’t have the plane landing on 33
I have been an air traffic controller for 33 years. 20 of those years have been at Atlanta. I cried when i saw this. We get asked all the time is air traffic control stressfull and 99% of us will tell you no. Our mind and bodies are amazing at helping us compartmentalize that stress. We dont give ourselves enough credit for the job we do. We think anyone can do it but the fact is every one cant do what we do. If so there wouldnt be a shortage. While we pray for the victims aboard the rehional jet and the helicopter, please also pray for the men and women who were up in the tower...our job is not easy.
I can't even imagine the pressure. Kudos to you for making it so long...appreciate your dedication to a job so stressful and really overlooked as to its importance. 😢
Thank you for your service and the thousands of people you make sure reach thier destinations....
Willie, what is your gut telling you here about this? ATC, Blackhawk, CRJ? Sure seems from my inexperienced perspective the Blackhawk was at fault. Almost appears deliberate but that's not exactly fair to say. I just can't understand why their paths needed to cross
I have to say in this case on the evidence so far ATC seems to be blameless. PAT25 confirmed _twice_ that they had the CRJ in sight and would maintain visual separation.
my question is why was a helicopter crossing a known final approach of a major commercial airline and why would it go right into the aircraft without veering
Thanks for all of your hard work getting these videos out!
Dono!
Don’t waste your cash !!!
@@Dwayne-q3w don't steal any more oxygen from the rest of us.
@@Dwayne-q3w WTF do you have against this guy that you would say something as stupid as that?
No
When RUclipsrs are QUICKER AND MORE ACCURATE than all new outlets
Usually are because they actually CARE about what they're reporting and put more effort into it.
RUclips usually does have more accurate news.
journalism died years ago
'cause their/MSM handlers control the narrative
Porquê o governo americano não que assumir que foi atentado terroristas. Pós Donald Trump sem querer vetou dinheiro dos setores público como da segurança militar é segurança jurídica em assistência social 😂😂😂
Lembra que já ouve três ataques militares enviando charada para Trump. Abre o olho que tudo ver.😁 isso só em janeiro ainda tem mais notícias ao longo de 4anos 😊
Honestly this may be the best ATC audio/management I've ever heard especially under the conditions. Looks like the tower and CRJ were doing exactly what they should have been doing. I want to know what the heck was going on in that helicopter.
I heard that the Helicopter was on a Training Mission so apparently they messed up I hate to say that but I don’t know it’s just Awful my Prayers go out to the families of all the victims just so sad! 😪
Training flight, too high, slightly off line and probably were looking at the next plane instead of the one they hit.
There's three types of people in the beltway. Zombies, the corrupt, and the competent. The fact this place still moves along with the amount of corruption is direct evidence there's still some high competence.
The military told white men to F off, so they did. Now the nation has to eat the consequences of DEI.
@@GregPrice-ep2dk You're a fuckin 🤡.. the last "regime" would have said "I have no idea what what it was but will have to circle back.". "And let me be clear, this president is proud of this economy and it's inclusion"..
You are the ONLY channel I could find with the minutes PRIOR to the event. Thank you for getting this out so quickly. I searched for you because I already knew of your quality work and now I've subscribed. Sending my condolences to everyone involved in this tragic disaster...
VASA always gets the job done when it comes to ATC.
I try to bring facts and light about what's happened and why, and of course some minutes prior is really important. Thanks for watching and for your support.
@@VASAviationthanks for the subtitles too
God be with all the people involved. 🙏
Give a look to @Malibu Mike, he did a livestream last night with both Tower Frequencies for the fixed wing and rotary aircraft.
I've watched A LOT of these ATC audio vids over the years. That AAL472 pilot that was choking up during the readbacks broke me.
But at the same time was keeping ATC on track
The "Oh my" from the controller in the background and the "crash, crash, crash" on MWAA are just chilling. Condolences to the families of those who lost a loved one
They werent chilling, they have to stay calm to coordinate the help. Imagine you calling the 911 and the operator start to cry with you.
It is the same.
Now, you can hear their voices breaking
@@Dora-Ortega ugh, poster is describing their own reaction to those words; it's not a comment on the emotional state of the ATC
"chilling"
@@512Squared oh I got it. I didn't get that part
English is my second language. Thank you.
@@Dora-Ortega no worries. Glad we cleared it up
MWAA is the Metropolitan Washington Airport Authority, in case someone else is wondering.
Thanks 👍 I was looking for that 🙂
Thank you
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What is CRJ?
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_CRJ700_series
I find it insane that the helicopter was just allowed to wander into a final approach vector. Absolutely crazy.
By the looks of it the Heli just did what it wanted to do. Im unsure how it works totally but I assume the heli can't just fly in front of there without the ATC saying they can or confirming they have visual of the plane.
@@school1865 The helo had permission, but it was explicitly told to pass *behind* the CRJ. But they decided to go in front of it instead. Not sure if anyone has turned it into a video like this one, but LiveATC as the recording of the ATC-PAT25 comms.
Military shared airspace. Its complicated
@ As much as this is pilot error it's gotta be time to rethink how that specific airport/airspace and maybe those like it are run. So sad.
@@school1865…ruclips.net/video/hfgllf1L9_4/видео.htmlsi=O2-YL1f5bPpUICgi
My cousin is a figure skater and was friends with some of the passengers. She is absolutely devastated. So so sad.
An above comment was saying that they were neighbors with the family of figure skaters. So sad.
Wishing her strength
These kids are all local to us (Norwood, Ma). Horrible.
so sad :(
My family was on that flight too.
Thank you for the complete audio with no commentary! I've been watching the talking heads on local news and they can't even get the runway correct!
Yes, very frustrating to watch MSM coverage. A couple good aviation RUclips channels had the most up to date and concise information / evaluation in very short time after the incident. I watched one MSM report that had an "aviation expert" on who was completely useless, to say the least. Thank god for the internet.
You know, TV Media and all that... Now I'm waiting for all of those asking for permission to use the video and animation in their news programs.
It's not complete, you're not hearing the helicopter comms. Blancolirio has it
The idiot talking heads on MSM keep misrepresenting it as the jet hit the heli.
SMDH.
everything the "news" says is either a lie or wrong. Just start with that premise and you'll be much better off!
The weirdest part of being a controller must be knowing this just happened but having to continue to do your job and keep cool.
Word up they can’t panic
They get pulled afterwards
I feel like it would be a stark reminder to keep EXTRA sharp
@@fhowland bingo….in your mind you are probably also wondering if this was your mistake, while trying to keep everyone safe. Hats off to ATC.
@@robbelliiiYou don’t do that. By disposition and training you hyper-focus on the task at hand. Thinking comes later.
The professionalism of everyone involved AFTER the crash was incredible.. Everyone knew that dozens, or even hundreds of people just died, but they pushed past it and did their jobs. Extremely impressive.
Actually about 70. I live on the Virginia side of the river. The Potomac is not that deep and freezing cold.
@ yeah, we know 70 now, but they didn’t. From their perspective, it could have been dozens or even hundreds.
Honestly thought from the video that it was still a survivable crash.
You need to keep your emotions for the time being when you are in such crucial roles. Otherwise you'd be endangering more people. But yes, it is impressive to witness.
Its got to be tough on the pilots when they are probably wondering if the same ATC handling them has just caused an accident
A friend's husband is an airline pilot, and he stated that this airport is not popular among pilots due to the approach to landing strips. Our military presence in the area has resulted in heavy air traffic. I'm so sorry to hear about such a tragedy! Sympathy goes out to everyone who is grieving the loss of a loved one.
The military has no business in training its rotary or fixed wing aircraft around any designated commercial airport. They must stop their senseless stupidity.
Blame Trump for firing the people in charge of preventing still like this.
Totally agree. Crazy dangerous, especially when considering how busy airports are these days 😢
Crazy decision by Trump 😢🔥✈️
@@RoseFBNwhat? 😂
Friend’s husband is a airline pilot and said that this airport is not a favorite of pilots due to approach to landing strips. There is heavy air traffic due to our military in the area. So sorry to hear about such a tragedy! Sympathy to all grieving for lost loved ones. ❤️🙏😢
I have flown in an out of Reagan/DC National numerous times, never liked it. Very convenient, but the approaches stink. Too much air traffic, obstacles and short runways.
How an accident can happen like this in 2025 is just nuts. Allowing a military helicopter (or any helicopter) anywhere near an approach vector is absolute madness. RIP to all those that lost their lives needlessly.
it should absolutely not be allowed. it’s like a cop turning on his lights to run a red light. the helicopter was flying too high and too fast. so tragic
The helicopter wasn't on its route. It was flying way higher than it's supposed to and a half mile off course before told to even move.
The plane was rerouted to another lane at the last min.
And despite having 2 air traffic controllers during this busy time, the supervisor had 1 leave early. Leaving only 1 guy, doing 2 jobs.
But... why are helicopters flying near airports? The pilot had 500 hours of experience. But yea let's fly at night around a busy airport off course and 3 people in the helicopter didn't notice.
@@BlueLuna5having only 1 air traffic controller is diabolical but having a helicopter lane in front of aircraft’s taking or landing is even worse
@@vietkong1 it's horrible. The air traffic controller warned them 2 times and they still stayed off course.
I watched it a few more times and the helicopter definitely flies at the plane on purpose. The plane tried turning and the helicopter completely turned in order to make sure they hit. It definitely does not look like an accident, which I originally thought.
What if the Army helicopter was unmanned ?
This is why as a former pilot I always hated flying when there were helicopters near the airport. They typically fly lower and don’t fly the same path as airplanes, making it harder to predict where they are and where they’re going.
They should not be there. Period.
This is how I feel about driving with motorcycles around me!
Retired airline captain here.. 1000% agreed! God Bless their souls and families..
As someone who flew a little fixed wing it was always weird to hear the ATC tell the helos to “land at your own risk”
The helicopter shouldn't have been above 200ft. It's quite clear on the charts. Certainly shouldn't have been swinging across short finals either
I find it astounding that the Blackhawk pilot and co-pilot did not see the jet's navigation lights! And that the helicopter's instruments did not warn them of another plane... They flew directly into the unsuspecting plane. The US military has some very tough questions to answer.
What systems on the Blackhawk would have warned them?? This appears to be an example of miscommunication between the Controller and the helo pilot. The controller should have ensured WHICH CRJ the crew had visual of.
Only 1 man in the tower when obviously it was a busy night .... there should have been more than one. Especially since Military and Civilian Aircraft do not use the same radio channels. It's a terrible accident - that like other accidents cause lots of damage and ruin lives; some forever.... hopefully something can be learned from it - so its Not Repeated. I hope the poor fellow who was working has alot of Support, Friends, & Help around him because it's going be hard to handle no matter what. I actually feel as badly if not worse for him because I'm sure he is just over come with the "I wish I would have's and will be 2nd guessed to death..."
IN REALITY HE & NO ONE SHOULD BE LEFT ALONE IN THAT TOWER UNDER ANY SITUATION ESPECIALLY WITH AIR TRAFFIC ON MULTIPLE CHANNELS IN REAL TIME.
Pray for them all & their families a d friends....😢
@@propstickATC SPECIFIED CRJ south of bridge at 1200 setting up for 33 (approach)
Planes are falling out of the sky🙏🙏🙏
The
Damn, it hurts listening to the CRJ crew communications, just coming in for a normal landing with no idea, theyre about to get hit. They really had no chance.
RIP
NONE. A Trainee was flying the helicopter
The crazy truth is that any one of us can be taken out by some incompetent or in attentive person at almost any time. It’s not likely, but the possibility is always there. If you drive, you’ll often find yourself going 50 miles an hour toward another vehicle that is also going 50 miles an hour in the opposite direction, trusting that that driver will not abruptly swerve over the line and kill you both.And that guy is on the phone, eating a cheeseburger, and very upset about something that happened an hour ago.
@@damita4336 You have absolutely no proof to back this claim.
@@damita4336 a training mission does not mean the pilot was inexperienced. slow your roll.
@@Hakuna_Frittata So important! People need to stop reading or hearing random stuff and just assume it's correct, parroting stuff to others. People in the 90s were gullible as hell, but somehow forgot all about that and became even worse in the 20s. -.-
This was a difficult night. Thank you, Victor, for getting the audio out.
I did a lot of rescues in the Coast Guard, including pulling a downed pilot that ejected. That was over 35yrs ago (damn) but I still remember the joy of saving a life and the absolute pain of recovering a body. RIP to all
Thank you for your service. That is such difficult work.
Point ?
"Don't forget about me during this tragedy."
Thank you for your service
"I did a lot rescues in the Coast Guard"...and came here to advertise that.
Heartbreaking for ALL involved. My late husband was a controller for 33 years, this was always his nightmare. They take what they do to heart. Prayers for all.
So was my late boyfriend. He worked Tri-Con... NY New Jersey and Connecticut.. He wouldn't fly. And he told me if I knew what he knew I wouldn't either.
Just because you married him doesn't mean you are an expert
@@inthedarkwoods2022I agree, maybe some are emotionally involved, to some it's just a job.
@@damita4336 An ATC who didn't fly ???
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I’m a pilot and have flown quite a bit in the area. We have to learn from this. The helicopter pilot is at fault no matter what. He said he had the jet in sight and was instructed to turn behind the Jet. Obviously he either did not have a visual on the jet or became disoriented or distracted. Regardless, these rules are allowing too much risk. There is no reason why the helicopters heading south from DC cannot stay further east on the Maryland side to allow more space to the final approach path. Praying for the souls lost and their families.
Ahahahahahaha
As a non-pilot i'm just shocked that VFR is allowed at night inside the bravo in this airspace. also why the HELL didn't the CRJ700 get a TCAS RA? Was PAT25 flying with their civilian transponder off?!
I'm curious where you are getting that information. It's not in this audio feed. There is no transmission from PAT25 that is discernable.
@@NatureDerek TCAS doesn't give you RA under 1000, it's too low. It will give you a general warning.
At 1:36 ATC calls out traffic at 1200ft, a CRJ. At that point flight 5342 was at around 11-1200ft. My bet is the helo thought ATC ment the other CRJ flight 5307 and just crossed the glideslope without a second look. The helo crossed from right to left in front of 5342, while 5342 was in a left hand turn making it harder to look to the right and detect the traffic. And didn't respond to TCAS or it didn't go of, will need to wait for CVR recordings for that.
Long story short they need to change the approach to a straight in approach and/or relocate the entire airport because airspace is way to tight around that area with all the closed bits of airspace, presidential, cia, secret service helo's etc.
Thanks to VASAviation for this posting. I spent over an hour searching for just this to include the tower audio leading up to this crash. Every other posting found has only the tower audio After the crash happened which is of limited usefulness.
It's been up on LiveATC for a while now.
VASAviation is usually good about including the lead-up to incidents.
Thanks!
The strangest part of being a controller must be knowing what just happened while still having to do your job and remain calm.
Absolutely, still need to be. Super concentrated to support other jets landing and taking off. I cannot image how that is possible
Bot, don't give attention guys. It's a bot.
That controller was busy before, the crash rattled him, and he did an exceptional job of getting things sorted out after. The workload and stress level for these ATC controllers is insane. I was happy to hear the voice change as they finally got somebody to take over for him. It’s clearly time for a severe reorganization of airspace and procedures at DCA. With modern day RNAV procedures and defined flight corridors for both civilian and military aircraft, combined with controlled slot times, with a control point on the approach, this accident is completely avoidable.
@@markg7963 why would any ATC on the planet let a Helicopter cross an active runaway through a thin stretch of ariver, interfering directly with incoming traffic that's going to land? That's just asking for a disaster.
How is that considered "normal procedure"??
Not really. Almost immediately, that controller will be relieved to go for a physical. But the thought of "what did I do wrong...was it my fault???" will haunt him for a long time. Time for therapy. (and I say that with all gravity...) 🙄
I woke up with a ton of questions. This clarified any I have. Better than any news briefing. You can hear the pain in the controller's voices. RIP to all the lost.
Those controllers no longer have a job as of this morning for being DEI hires so yeah, I bet you did hear some pain in their voices
@@neilpatrickhairless
The controllers were at zero fault there tf.
The helo was approved for visual separation. The PIC has the responsibility to avoid traffic at that point and regardless of tower. They did their best in that congested situation. I'll be disappointed if they get fired for that.
everything was as routine as it could be except the helicopter.
@@hyun-ki_hei What was the helicopter doing there? Training is not the answer. I want to know what was their flight plan. The story has them coming up form Fort Belvoir in Virginia which is south of the air port. Why were they approaching from the north? Did they intend on landing? Or were they just passing through to see if they could hit something?
Where did you hear a "DEI" hire?
@@hyun-ki_hei
Approving the vis sep was just the final fatal failure. The ATC had already doomed that jet before that by not redirecting the helo.
It’s unconscionable that any aircraft would be crossing the final approach path at a busy Class B airport. RIP to all.
Ja compleet idioot gedrag van die helicopter piloot
There are established low level routes through the airspace along the Potomac.
@@exloadedno that black hawk wasn’t aware of what aircraft he was looking out for
They use that runway when it's windy there shouldn't be anything flying near a runway only planes
@@NICU_Guy This helicopter try to pursue the JZA789, observe it, then avoid it, then come into JTA5342 right at its flank. It appears quite intentional and premeditated to me.
The same night this happened and less than an hr after it happened, while I was working a flight to San Diego a police helicopter came within 400ft of our plane almost clipping us upon landing. This is what our captain advised us after we landed and he was livid and we were shaken. We then right after learned of the plane crash in DC. Our captain made numerous phone calls pissed.
Then tonight my flight attendant friend advised me that her captain was complaining to her about a previous flight of his where he said a helicopter came within the same 400ft of his aircraft. This now has me pissed and wanting answers. This CANNOT become common!
God bless the families affected by this tragedy in DC. This just weighs heavy on so many of us as a nation and definitely us in the aviation field. Rest peacefully 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
I don’t blame him. I want answers as well. Also, my heart goes out to the families, friends, and their loved ones who are affected by this plane crash.
You’re absolutely right. I hope for everyone’s sake that air travel is made safe again SOON!!!
What a sad moment. So preventable. 67 lives and so many families destroyed in an instant. This is beyond heartbreaking. Than you for posting this, it gives us a great insight into the world of ATC and the work they do
Credit goes to the air traffic controllers, for keeping calm after the crash & gave correct headings to other pilots either about to take off or land. Doing so prevented another crash, or even crashes!
My neighbors and their family, who were figure skaters, died in this crash. Rip Everly and Lydia Livingston and their family. They were taken too soon.🙏😢🕊️
I’m very sorry you lost your neighbors- prayers for the families
@ indeed
Take care man
@ thank you bro
I'm very sorry. Terrible. Bless you.
At 01:34 ATC gives PAT25 the position of CRJ5342 "south of the Woodrow Bridge, 1200ft, setting up for runway 33". So right before the crash happens 50 sec later, PAT25 knows that the CRJ is now supposed to be very close to runway 33 and to the helicopter. He would not confuse it with AAL3130 which at the time of the crash is at the same spot and same height CRJ5342 was 50 sec ago (because that would mean the plane has hovered in place for 50 sec). Also, PAT25 goes at 200ft for a while, then right at the moment ATC asks if he sees the CRJ, climbs to 300ft and heads straight into the plane, no attempts to turn or avoid collision even at the last moment. In the beginning, at 1:10 PAT25 suddenly deviates from his route which puts him in the way of JZA789 that's taking off (JZA789 comes up on the radar later) before turning left to rejoin the route.
PAT25 requested visual separation at least two times (please correct me if I'm wrong). That's means they took up the responsibility to maintain distance with CRJ. IMHO, I think PAT25 made a mistake here for not maintaining it's altitude low enough to avoid CRJ. I hope their black box will shed more lights on why they T-boned CRJ. I prayed for all the victims.😢
@@rmcy8490its 100% likely that they thought they had identified them. It’s very easy to misidentify other aircraft at night.
@@tg5940 Yes, this is what most likely happened.
Flying an Aapache at night at 200 feet is stressful.
The pilot most likely mis-identified the A3130 for the A5342 which was coming slightly from the left, making a left turn, mixing up all the city lights, and when the Apache finally saw the CRJ, it was too late.
The CRJ had no chance to see it coming because it was in a left bank while the Apache probably had just a few seconds.
It's possible that the climb was the attempt of collision avoidance, which failed.
@@richardpetek712 it was a Blackhawk..i bet Apache pilots are more exp to deal with situations like this
I'm in Australia, been waiting hours with full confidence that VAS would cover this. Thank you. It's a damn shame that all the incidents and close calls we've been watching over the past 12-15 months have finally come to this horribly inevitable point. Hopefully the loss of these poor souls will kick the FAA into gear. What a tragedy.
This is DOD not FAA
Same
@@damita4336 CRJ is FAA, Black Hawk is DOD
The errors were from the Blackhawk
@@damita4336 I didn't hear a military controller on the comms, it was KDCA running the show. Not that I am trying to put blame on that poor controller either, but it was definitely a civilian scenario. It's far too early to even think about pointing fingers, but someone needs to point out how stupid it is to run military hardware (from what I've read about KDCA, basically at will, regardless of civilian traffic volumes) so close to a busy airport like this, especially at night. FAA needs to get their schmidt together and provide more controllers on the mic (more eyes = more chances to catch conflicts, dozens and dozens of which have occurred in the past year) and lay down the law on allowing non-emergency/off-mission military traffic so close to civilian fields. A god damn training flight for gods sake. Unless there is an active military situation within the airspace, Private Rotorwash had no business that close to an approach path, especially if the glue on his wings was still drying.
My condolences to the victims. What is extremely tragic about this accident is that in hindsight it just seems so avoidable. A busy airspace with VFR approaches civilian and military traffic on different frequencies, loads of restricted airspace and last-minute runway changes. It pushes everyone to the limit and doesn't leave room for mistakes. It almost seems we got lucky to not have any major incidents so far
True. Also like this Europe. It's mind-blowing when situations like almost happen and still no action. Living in a world that's "what if". Personally, I always defended that both military and civilian aircraft should be in the same frequency when flying. In the end, the safety it's everyone's responsibility.
Another interesting topic is how much close some military airfield is so close to one busiest airport.
The whole visual seperation (especially at night) thing in the US is crazy. I understand why some airlines (such as Lufthansa) forbid visual seperation at night in unfamiliar airspace.
The airplane was not required or expected to maintain visual separation; that responsibility was given solely to the helicopter.
Typical American non-standard aviation BS. It's about time the whole aviation industry in the US woke up, maybe this will be the catalyst. Unfortunately change always requires people to cease life first.
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Just glad to have such a channel with transparency and fast responses to all aviation events.
*Captain Steve, thank you so much for the reassurance, I Travel a lot around the country for work and I was a quite jittery and nervous even more after this unfortunate accident (May all Rip, and prayers to the families), Tuesday I have a Flight from SFO to IAH, and you calmed my nerves, thank you! Wishing you and everyone safe travels, Always! ☁️ ✈️*
Thanks for the extra effort.
The "how many souls on board" is heartbreaking. My heart, prayers, and condolences go out to the families; may their poor souls rest in peace. Also, to the men, women, aircraft controllers, thank you so much for what you do. Your job is not easy; may God bless you always!
nobody survived this, explotion and fall...so so sad🥺
That's standard aviation terminology meant for airport ground and emergency services, so they can coordinate with their work.
How many souls on board is standard parlance for ATC communications. There's no poetic twist to these words given the circumstance.
They are passengers and people not souls
So glad to hear your condolences @queenq5240, how did you know us families would be scouring the comments looking for them?
AAL3130 - can you imagine the dread the pilots felt as they saw the collision happen a couple miles in front of them. Terrible man.
and that controller. I can't imagine having to keep it together and keep going despite just watching a crash and not knowing if it was your fault or not.
If it hit him on the side as is being reported, maybe the pilots didn't see the chopper coming.
I said the same thing 3130 pilots prolly saw everything
But no, the flight that got hit had no idea what happened,, basically got tboned from the side, passengers prolly had the shades drawn and weren't looking
It's wild how calm the pilot manages to remain. "They just went." in such a matter of fact tone, then asking ATC if they saw.
Can't wait to find out why the Helo was up to 400 ft. when they usually arent allowed to fly above 200 ft. in that area. So sad.
they flew at 200 ft the entire time until they were crossing the actual approach. it’s like they saw a plane land, assumed that was the one to go behind, then did whatever they wanted altitude wise. even though the helo pilot didn’t see the correct flight if the helicopter pilot did not increase in altitude there would not have been an accident
I wonder if it was deliberate?
@@carlaburgers3088 It's possible that it was deliberate since the plane was descending while the Apache tried to avoid the crash by flying over it. An attempt which failed.
All a result of visual flight rules, during night, with many lights everywhere.
This is - of course - just my guess.
@@richardpetek712So you guys think the military just has suicidal pilots on duty or what?
@@theorignalmartian1261 No, but it has pilots who follow orders.
And if the order is to fly below planes which are about to land, they obey orders like they have been told.
Thank you for sharing this information so quickly. Transparency is everything. Condolences to all involved including the tower personnel
Word order matters. The Black Hawk collided with the regional jet, not the other way round.
You'd enjoy sailing forum colregs "conversations".
Eyeballing the map here and on blancolirio, speeds ~equal, the helicopter was ~45 degrees off the starboard from the plane, plane ~45 degrees off the port of the helicopter..
Who hit who is unhelpful semantic jostling.
Corrct is "they collided".
@@dougaltolan3017 I think it is rather about the CRJ having right of way on final and the helicpter crew being ordered and confirmed to keep visual seperation with the plane they allegedly have seen.
@@Haniel93they were ordered to be there. Question is who gave that order 🤔🤔🤔
@@dougaltolan3017 PAT25 requested and received responsibility for maintaining visual separation and was instructed to pass behind the AAL flight.
It is not "semantic jousting" to say the helicopter hit the plane, the UH60 pilot was fully responsible for avoiding the path of the CRJ.
@@Shaggsmalonethis isn’t up for debate. ATC said go behind the CRJ. They went in front. This is a fact. What caused them to go in front is the only thing up for debate.
1:37 tower notifies helicopter of CRJ's location and flight plan. 2:17 tower asks helicopter if he has the CRJ in sight. 2:19 tower tells helicopter to pass behind the CRJ. 15 seconds later the collision takes place. ATC saw something wasn't quite right and did what he needed to do. These controllers are so used to seeing different aircraft types in a tight airspace but something wasn't sitting right with him. He is going to get debriefed and likely won't sleep well for months, if ever. But how many times should he have to contact a military aircraft to warn them about commercial traffic in a known landing path?
Helicopters should not be allowed to cross an approach path! It’s too risky
That's a risky operation they have been running over there. I would think they would want to lock helicopter operations to a certain altitude and area
It seems like PAT25 ignored the request to fly behind the CRJ
So after 1:37 why does the helo head straight toward the CRJ? Makes no sense.
Whole lot of moving parts to this, it's too bad 5342 wasn't given the same traffic alerts the helio was given or told to go around if controller had separation concerns (From an arm chair qb)
The professionalism of the ATC and pilots after the crash to keep doing what they do is incredible...if you didn't know there had just been a mid air you wouldn't know anything was out of the ordinary other than the go arounds.
The most unsurprising thing about this are people's reactions in other comment sections. Things about DEI, targeted attacks because the government wanted someone on that plane dead, conceited conjecture while we're still pulling bodies of innocent people out of the river.
On a more positive note, I very much appreciate how quickly you uploaded this. Gives a much clearer picture already, but we need to wait for the NTSB to do their job. Things like this takes months for a preliminary investigation, maybe a full year for a full investigation to conclude. You're doing a much better job than any of the local news stations reporting on this. A lot of people here are very grateful for what you are doing, so thank you.
AI operated helicopter flew directly into path of plane with Russian passengers. Higher ups in army wanted to start war with Russia.
It’s just theories they died down but who the hell knows.
This channel deals in facts, not conjecture, so it's natural the majority of comments here stay focused.
People screaming about DEI but everyone involved with the crash was white and American...crazy times.
@@9volt65 But the pilot of helo was (white) female.
As an aviation enthusiast, flight sim , and as an individual who spent many years working for the aviation industry, this truly has brought tears to my eyes. Rip to all on board , and condolences to all of the families , friends and colleagues affected .
I just saw another report that it is quite common for these military helicopters to cross the flight path of these landing jets as routine. Well, this is a stupid routine that just turned 67 folks into souls. So unnecessary.
They don't have eyes? it was vfr
"turned 67 folks into souls" umm, no, it turned 67 folks into fish food.
It is very common but it is done with a high level of coordination.
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@@believeachieve2847 vfr is stupid
Thank you for getting this out with such good visuals so quickly!
This is easily the best channel for anything having to do with flight control. This is the first big news crash since I discovered this channel, and as always it’s stellar. Unfortunate no doubt but the info is there. Thank you
VAS Thanks for getting this up sooo quickly. Watching the news last night left me with MANY questions.
The "oh they just went" is so gut wrenching! 😭
Who said 'oh the just went'? was it the American Airline pilot?
@@artwatch-y9j Yes, A472 was another American Airlines flight from Dallas that was diverted to Washington after the collision.
He says, “I’ll remember when”
It seems PAT25 went above the assigned altitude ceiling and got in the way of the aircraft.
Something similar had happened just 24 hours before the crash on almost the same spot, but the plane's TCAS made the crew go around and avoid the patrolling helicopter.
This time TCAS couldn't help because its usage gets inhibited below a certain altitude.. What a disaster
Thanks, Victor, for getting this out so quickly. Excellent work as usual.
Hearing that poor young FO’s voice innocently accept the runway change that would ultimately lead to the disaster is heartbreaking 💔
Amazing job by the other pilots on frequency to calmly and patiently work with the frazzled controllers on the go around instructions. You could hear the compassion in their voices knowing the controllers’ worst nightmare was happening. Solid professionalism.
Big question is...why ask so late to change from 01 to 33 runway in the first place from the tower?
its genuinely hard to listen to
@@Garth2011they do this all the time. They want to keep departures going and have to maintain spacing. We always brief 33 when we know we are doing runway 1 just in case they ask. You can always refuse the change and they’ll just hold departing aircraft.
RWY 33 was, under normal conditions, the best choice for the weather and equipment for 5342. A CRJ-700 can easily handle the shorter runway, the winds were favorable for 33, and it would have put them closer to their arrival gate anyway.
One of the first places I go when something like this happens. Very useful context and information, from someone who knows what they're covering, that doesn't often get picked up and shown directly on the news.
1:40. Visual separation approved. The ATC warned PAT-25 of the traffic at 1:32. It is not in the audio but PAT-25 probably requested visual. At this moment, it was the Blackhawk job to see and avoid traffic. The ATC even warned him of the traffic (2:15) and requested him to fly left and behind the traffic (2:19), following rules of separation and conflict, even after PAT-25 requested visual. 2:23 "Vis sep approved". Imprudence and negligence to say the least.
Thanks for getting this out so quickly. Deepest condolences to all the affected families.
Gods, what an absolute tragedy. Just hearing that voice in the back of the one ATC transmission going *Ooh.*
My sincerest condolences to the families of those lost.
I think that was the ground controller. In just seconds, she would have been giving turn-off and taxi instructions to 5342. Instead, she had to issue a full ground stop, nothing moving until the fire rescue got to where they needed to go.
VAS Aviation and Juan Browne are absolutely top notch when collecting and posting concise information.
Thank you VAS for giving us all such high quality raw information! I can’t imagine how difficult it must be to gather and produce these videos knowing the devastating results😢
PAT25's pilot may have confirmed his visual on AAL3130 and not seen JIA5342. The ATC should not have assumed they were both looking at the same plane and directed PAT to turn hard left to stay clear.
I think PAT25 confirmed his visual on the JZA flight that had just taken off - a CRJ-type jet, just like JIA5342. (AA3130 and a couple of planes behind that were Airbus, Boeings etc.) If you watch the ATC radar, you can see PAT25 apparently take evasive action around the JZA flight ... which might be why the helo wasn't looking for the AA plane, until it was way too late ...
Should ATC have done differently? I don't know enough to say. They directed PAT25 to a CRJ two miles away, and PAT25 said they saw it.
They did. PAT25 was told to pass behind the CRJ, and the helo crew knew for well over a minute that 5342 was setting up for RWY 33.
He sounded surprised to hear it was a helicopter. It just broke my heart when he asked how many souls on board. Sending my deepest condolences. Sending prayers to the families of everyone on the flight. ✝️🙏🏻💔
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Yes, pilot sounded incredulous that Crash Crash Crash was any air craft except planes.
I know, but 'souls' is the term they use when there's an airplane crash.
@@robertvalet2079I was surprised when they said they didn’t have that information, I’d think it would be on hand immediately, but I also know nothing about aviation.
@joycelebaron2582 Souls has nothing to do with a crash. That's literally what they call the people on board whether it's a crash or not. I worked for Boeing and we would always ask for # of souls on board for refuelings etc.
The calm but urgent tone in that guys voice giving alternative directions to the other planes.... spooky
That's how they are trained, especially to avoid another accident
because he knows he's going to be in prison in the future
sorry, but the air-traffic controller did NOT do enough...he was NOT urgent enough. he also seems to be mumble his words, he doesn't speak clearly. he needed to give emergency instructions to Pat25 (the heli) to take drastic action
@@RuralRuinshe gave the helicopter lots of notice, the helicopter had well over 10 seconds to react after being told to go around the Crj
Looks like bad or distracted situational awareness on the part of the military pilots. Also the controller could have been more emphatic for the chopper to go east or 90 degrees (loop around is vague) to avoid the approach corridor. Maybe No military training flights near commercial airports for say six months?
u can't hear PAT25 on the recording because they're talking to ATC on their helicopter frequency with tower. ATC can hear both. but the CRJ cannot hear PAT25. and PAT25 can't hear the CRJ. this is common but also a blindspot for situational awareness.
Exactly my thoughts.
Shouldnt they have been on the proper frequency then? Having the blackhawk on its own channel from other people in the pattern seems dangerous. Though they probably should have had TCAS on the helicopter too if operating in that air space.
Just to add a little clarity, it’s not a helicopter frequency. Civilian aircraft use VHF. Military uses either VHF or UHF. The helicopter was apparently using UHF to communicate with tower.
@@filanfyretracker Military aircraft (not all, but a lot) use UHF frequencies, while commercial and general aviation all use VHF frequencies. They ARE the proper frequency as PAT is talking to the same controller as the CRJ.
At 1:35 approach tells pat25 that the crj is just south of the bridge at 1200’, and coming in for runway 33. This spells out exactly where the plane currently is, and where it’s going to turn. Pat25 was 200’ above ground at that point. (People here are saying he was maneuvering to avoid a plane at this point, are wrong. This plane was 2300’ AGL, pat25 was 400’ (no factor). He was moving into the pattern at this point.
Then approach says to pat25 “vis separation approved”. This means that approach is talking to the Blackhawk on a separate frequency. This frequency can’t hear pat25, but it can hear approaches side to the communication (pat25 requested visual separation).
At 2:17 tower asked again if pat25 had the approaching CRJ in sight. Again, pat25 confirmed. Approach the told pat25 to pass behind the CRJ. Pat25 then requested visual separation. Approach approved “vis sep approved”. Pat25 was at 300’ above ground, and climbing. CRJ was at 500’, and decending.
Then collision.
I’m not the FAA. They will have this figured out. This is just my take as a private pilot.
CRJ- at no fault (on instructed flight path. With aviation right of way over a heli)
Approach- should have been vectoring (giving directions with headings and altitudes) the Blackhawk due to close traffic. It was night in a city with planes descending. Lots of lights everywhere. Lots of traffic at different altitudes. Too much room for error. But wasn’t technically in the wrong for approving visual separation. He called out traffic multiple times, and gave the Blackhawk instruction. He didn’t catch that pat25 was 300’ below pattern altitude (then gained altitude when he started to cross traffic).
Pat25 (Blackhawk). They confirmed twice that CRJ was in sight, and requested twice for visual separation. After approach instructed them to pass behind the CRJ that was landing on runway 33, they crossed the flight path without passing behind a CRJ. They were also climbing (from 200’ agl to 400’ at collision). At fault.
I’ll say this. I feel very bad for everyone that lost their lives, and the families. I also feel very heavy for this controller. It’s going to be something that will play through his mind for a long time. Praying for everyone here.
Good summary. Primary fault lies with the PAT25 pilot. Secondary fault lies with ATC for not confirming and controlling separation despite PAT25's request for visual sep. Tertiary fault lies with the fact that this is busy airspace.
You could hear AAL 472 starting to choke up at the realization his buddy just went down in their third communication right after the crash. That’s got to be so tough. I wonder if he knew the pilots well.
time stamp?
@4:10 I think
@@Adrian-lc6jq It sounds like he actually saw the collision at 2:40
Yeah... The audio at 2:38 ... 472 seemed to get the weight of it right away. Almost crying by 4:10.
3130 was strangely calm, even having seen it. Maybe didn't quite realize what happened.
@@coulie27flight, fight, freeze etc. You never know how you would act and there’s really no right or wrong way to respond to trauma. I hope that these people all get through this and get therapy. Very sad for everyone involved.
Amazing you are able to do such informative videos so soon after the incident. Condolences to the families of those onboard.
Getting this stuff out insanely quick as usual!
Thankyou for posting with no media or influencer spin
This was a great video with the addition of the invaluable subtitles! This happened very close to where I live so I've been following this story since it happened and I agree with others, I've learned more in this one video about what happened than I have from the news. I've subscribed as a result. Great work!
Ditto. Subscribed.
As a non native speaker I could understand only about 70% of what they said without subtitles.
Chilling and heartbreaking to hear everyone sounding so normal without knowing they had only moments to live. So much sorrow.
Better than them screaming in terror.
Correct a Mundo : The plane DID NOT COLIDE WITH THE HELI. The helo collided with the plane. The plane was exactly where it was supposed to be.
Exactly!! The news keeps saying it the other way!!! The news needs to get it right!!
collision isn’t a directional word it just means two objects hit each other in a violent way if they said the heli hit the aircraft that’s one thing but a collision is a neutral term like traffic collision
That's not how the verb works. Both ways are correct.
In other ATC audio you can hear the helo say "we have the CRJ in sight." And requested to maintain visual separation.
Such a horrible thing to happen!!! I feel so much sadness. I also have so much respect for all those people who kept working through to make sure everyone else in the skies were safe.
I lost 2 friends yesterday morning after their 1900 flipped on takeoff out of unity airfield in the Sudan.. I couldn’t believe my eyes when this is the first thing I saw on my feed moments later… really a bad day for flying 😢
So sorry, very difficult time for you. Sending condolences from uk
Almost like flying is a stupid dangerous thing and you shouldn't do it.
Blame DEI 😂
@@slingblade313 people fly every day safely
@@slingblade313people shouldn’t drive then either?
Oh my God. My heart is gutted.
Condolances from Finland.
Thank you from here in America ❤
Our thoughts, prayers, and condolences for everyone affected by this horrific event. May the souls of the 67 victims rest in Heaven. Thank you, Victor, for sharing this update so quickly.
My condoleances to the Jet passenger and team's families, same for the military men's families. Good video, no commentary and very clear.
This channel is amazing!!! I esp appreciate them including the after-crash instructions from ATC to other approaching flights. They collected& kept calm& everyone just followed instructions. It was like, flawless communication despite the emotions.
Hearing those commands makes me MORE confident to fly the next time. I realize how safe it is, despite accidents which can happen, like everything in life.
Prayers to the families 🙏🙏
VSAviation has a third video up now with the traffic management post-collision.
@EinherjarLucian thank you for letting me know 🙏
2:15 This audio is missing the responses from PAT25. He did answer saying that he had the CRJ in sight, and requested visual separation which the Tower approved. Sadly, PAT25 probably had a different, further back aircraft in sight.
Doesn't the controller have to give some coordinates in this case? Or something like that, at 11 o'clock...? (I'm a layman.)
@@zsoltfacsko6052 ATC was either distracted, lazy, or incompetent to leave out the BRA info (Bearing, Range, Altitude) more than once. That would have tipped off the helo pilot that they were looking at the wrong target. ATC also missed the helo being above its ceiling and West of the flight corridor, which put it directly on the glideslope for runway 33. Overloaded ATC would be a very big factor in this tragedy. Also hard to fathom FAA approval of such a close mingling of flight corridors for such a busy airport.
@@zsoltfacsko6052 The two CRJ aircraft were so lined up that they occupied nearly the same relative direction from the helicopter. The controller failed to anticipate that the helicopter might have been watching the wrong aircraft until it was too late. Also, the helicopter might not have taken into full consideration that the airport's active runway had just changed from runway 1 to 33, which hugely increased the potential for a conflicting flight path.
@@missgoodnfilthy2243 bullshit.
@missgoodnfilthy2243 the anti-DEI stuff is horrible misinformation. DEI is not affirmative action, so it cannot and does not affect the hiring of white people. DEI is training that reduces workplace harassment and discrimination, which is proven to enhance employee performance. ALL federal hiring was frozen by Trump last week, who was also pressuring all federal staff to resign and blasting them with chaotic orders. He had just fired over 100 air safety regulators, gutting Air safety of its staff, moral, and institutional knowledge.
Why was the chopper in the air for a very long tume, as if waiting for the palne. It even adjusted its pathway to meet the plane directly
The collision alarm in the background at 2:33 just before the crash is chilling.
You can hear it in the earlier transmissions as well, when he’s asking the black hawk whether he has the CRJ in sight.
@@asystole_ Yeah CA are pretty common. Especially when i was a military controller. Thats why he was confirming with the gold top.
Indeed.
If there was a CA why did this happen? Is it just disregarded ?
@@freshdc It wasn't disregarded. Because of the alarm, the controller double checked that the helo can see the jet. They confirmed they do. Then the controller told the helo to pass behind the jet. For some reason they didn't, and instead cut in front. No time to react for the controller anymore.
I came in on American Airlines maybe 2 hours before this from Orlando to the same airport, and so did a bunch of people, but this makes me hate flying even more.
Gives you a weird feeling when you drive home from the airport and turn on the news, and there's a plane crash from where you just left.
What would you say about the hundreds of flights everyday in that area, completed without any issues. Your comment implies that it is a common occurrence coming home to find out that a plane has crashed near the airport that you just left.
@@User-jr7vfyou sound so smart! 😒 comment implies his personal experience. Tell the statistics and odds to the family that just lost their loved ones
According to aviation statistics American Airlines has had the most crashes of any airline ,followed by Air France
That is harrowing. I fly often... random accident is a worst nightmare.
Thank you for providing this information at this important time. It’s hard, but important to have transparency.
Anyone else notice the controller is hard to understand and almost mumbling? The pilots are much clearer and enunciating better. Yes I know the controller talks all day but that is also his most important job.
the audio we hear is not at all how it sounds irl. It's way clearer irl. the way the transmissions work make it hard to record, and everything ultimately sounds super muffled.
Rotary aircraft must yield to all other aircraft no matter what that's the law. The FAA says because a rotary aircraft can hover in place all other aircraft including ultralights have the right-of-way
@@rickrack4812good question.
@@rickrack4812 Please don't start with your politics here. 70 people just died. You don't know who the hires are either
@penguin44ca
67, not 70.
There's no need to make it worse than it already is.
I wonder if that will hold true once tilt rotor aircraft are fully adopted. While they can hover, I don't think they can transition from forward flight to hovering as fast as a conventional helicopter.
This is true, but I doubt that the helo intentionally violated right-of-way or was ignorant of the rule. The flight track suggests inadequate look-out, not non-compliance.
Victor, you never disappoint. Great job as always. I feel awful for the families.
Can Not Imagine The Level of Shock and Sorrow Hearing This News Knowing Your Relatives Were on The Plane...Must be an Outer Body Experience...Just Horrible...My Condolences to Anyone Affected by This Tragedy
God bless these people working in the air traffic!
The amount of composure they have is unbelievable!
They still had a job to complete and did it professionally with vigilance.
I pray for the families as well as the people in the tower.
Even after all those comments on the near miss videos saying something like this would be inevitable without change. I'm still in utter shock of it all. Thanks for what you do Victor.
I'm seeing lots of people mention this. Is there quite a history of near misses in that area in similar circumstances?
@simmer484 I'm not sure about that area specifically. Though I've heard people say it's especially congested and complex because it's in the middle of the capital, but I definitely can't say anything that should be taken as fact.
@@savegame3308 thank you.
The past few years there has been a very large increase of problems with ATC. @@simmer484
The near misses are almost all in the New York tri state area, however we know this problem ATC overload problem is nation wide, just remember Southwest/ FedEx incident in Austin.
my Dad was supposed to be on this flight but he was too sick to travel. i''m at a loss for words rn. Rest in peace to everyone onboard both the plane and helicopter. The familes involved are all in my thoughts right now and sending them love
Thank you, Victor, for the work you do and always getting it out so quickly! My thoughts and prayers go out to the families, friends, and colleagues affected by this tragedy 💔🕊
Nice job putting the audio and visual together. Prayers to the families. ✝️