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Scrapers and Dozers and Dirt. OH MY!
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- Опубликовано: 5 ноя 2010
- Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas any more. That's because we're in Prairie du Chien, WI USA watching a bunch of CATs at work on the U.S. Highway 18 relocation project. Map Link: maps.google.com...
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Awesome video man!!! High Def, music, diesel engines and equip, and 10 mins of it!!! Need more stuff like this!
First time seeing this video. In my younger years we ran single engine pans with 637 and 657's, we would have never worked a berm or cut like this. Work smarter not harder. And the blade operator needs to learn how to mage the fill. Hopefully this was the first day on a pan or even seeing one for these guys...
Some seem to not understand the place held by the dollar factor. If you know your machines and operators, that is a key ingredient is figuring your rental value, or total bid. If you have a dozer to put on the fill, you could not match that price by buying twin engine scrapers! You plan the work with what you have. And if you have twin engine scrapers, and happen to bid a job with little elevation differences, you pay more for fuel and maintenance 🤷♂️ all in the game!
great looking 651 B.
First time I've seen pan scrapers so helpless they needed a dozer assistance just to unload, but I presume it is because they were trying to climb around on loose unpacked dirt.
Love watching those old girls haul the mail. Not being managed properly but probably underlying circumstances that we don't know about as to why they are turning around loaded. And if while turning around loaded let it downshift to 2nd gear and leave it there and then they could at least get to where they are dumping. 31's lose all momentum in sand once they start downshifting. And if the guy on the 8 would carry his blade higher and catch the stinger in the curve of his blade he could run up on em in 3rd gear and be smooth as glass on the connection... Love this stuff
Wow. That first pan operator needs to go back to skid steer!!!!!!
When I worked for Sterling Garrett in Michigan in the 60s, scraper hands were standing in line for work. Someone else would have been in the saddle after the second round. Dozer hands would have whacked the scraper stinger a few times to wake that operator up. Maybe a class would have helped...
Operators learn that 20 machines that seem identical can have a few hotrods, a bunch of average, and a dog or two! Same with operators I reckon🤪
Worst scraper operators I've ever seen, one guy did good. but that was it
He is no operator. It appears it is his first day on a scraper. He is just driving the big scraper with no Idea how to keep it moving..
@@mhoff5777 huge difference between a operator & someone knows how to run it. You're 100% correct
I work for a company that had 22 of them at a job at one time. Big highway job just used them as wheelbarrows. We now went to volvo rock trucks and either a 345c loading them or a 365 depending on cut and hauling distance..
oh ha ha makes me think about good old days on those B's but never ran the singles B's was on the 37C & D's and the crusty old 657B's back in the 80's good old days they were!!!!!
cool video perfect for chilling out with a hangover
Thanks! I never would have guessed it would become my most popular video. Mainly thought my young nephews would like it, then later added the music and posted it here. :-)
Can see why the guy on the 8 is in the fill and not in the cut!!
referring more specifically to the fact that they can neither get on or off of the pile without a cat pushing on them, whereas dual engine scrapers would easily be able to do that. Just a lot of wear on the cat doing on that running around pushing them and taking a lot longer is all I'm saying.
if your having to push load and push unload, just drag the can with the cat.
Industrial Disease. My favorite song for drive heavy equipment.
Im not there but....stockpiling? sandy? Water? at least on uphill ramp.Can't believe these guys can't get up this hill and their dumps suck.I go from top to where the toes going to be aways keeping the outside edge higher to keep the buggy tilted to the inside in case edge gives some being loose ....the center fills itself as the fill rises
Sorry, don't know. I work for CAT, but operate computers not scrapers. ;-) Just filmed this for fun. Here they had just started raising 2 miles of road about 10 ft, and this was one end of it. Later it seemed they were dumping as they turned the 180. But didn't film that.
Very nice scrapers in works!!!!!!
I've never seen anybody turn a loaded pan around just to dump in a stockpile! Poor management to say the least............
He got himself stuck by how he turned to go up the pile.. Then after her dumped, he nose dives the radiator into the dirt..
Thanks. I think the guy getting stuck dumped too soon or too fast, then high-sided. Guessing ... I'm not an operator. Soil is very sandy there, so doesn't compact well. That project is now done, and the new highway is open. :-) Added a map link in the description.
Definitely not a union job. The stock pile is two narrow and the lifts are two fat, that is why the scrapers are not able to get good traction. The scrapers are not getting a good enough run at the stock pile, either. They turn to soon into it.
I can not figure out why the scrappers need a dozer to help them unload. It's not like there in axle deep mud. All they are doing is stock piling.
hey easy jet too How can a 627 put the catskinner out of work? Sure he would'nt have to push them, but you always need a utility cat on the job! He could doze, rip, key in, maintain stockpile,push scrapers if push cat goes down, pioneer work, brush as well as numerous other tasks that come up!
Doesn't it seem like the pile is a mess? Maybe the skinner should dress up the pile so those big dogs would be able to keep rolling. Seems like such a waste to need a push loading and unloading. Also they have no momentum to help carry them up on top. It looks like they should have arranged it so they entered the dump from the left not the right. I agree that a 7 would do better with the twin engines but I guess they have to use what they brought. Just my 2 cents. :-)
Very cool vid. Soil looks sandy - I'm thinking maybe they should've had one of those big compacters with the dozer blade to compact that dump mound??? that one guy kept getting bogged down at the end. Or was he just not that good at unloading dirt? The scenery was nice too. looks kinda peaceful there.
These boys are getting an education on what single engine scrapers can and more importantly can not get away with in sandy soil. Those older machines are doggy enough without having to work in incompatible material.
Are these dudes all ex les searle scraper drivers by any chance❓‼🤣
I never seen so many experts comment on 1 video🤣🤣🤣
Bunch of RUclips plant operators..
Good way to wear out a D8 pushing a raggedy ass pan around.
Good quality vid, Havent seen a 641 before, looks old school
Saludo mepodrian Desir en Donde es eso
100% correct jpaydirt, how can the dirt be cheaper when it stops and starts so many times to get to the fill where as with a scraper as soon as the stinger enters the material the dirt is headed to and moving to the fill, i get the feeling contractors are now realising this and scrapers (at least Cat0 have been selling well for a couple years now.
There were several times that , when I was stopped waiting for a Push...............I'd put my Scraper in Reverse..............Teach that push cat to not slam me !
Hi. Exact location is in the video description.
These scrapers and dozers were formerly owned by my uncle's company James & Sons of Fennimore, WI
Must be a pain to need a pushcat even to fill
Well usually you need a push cat to help load scrapers unless they are of the push pull type. As a single engine scrapper lacks the power to load them selves. So that's where a push cat comes in. Comes in behind smoothly while the scrapper is just starting to load, and eases into the push block, and if done right, the scrapper operator will not even feel it. Thus with the cat pushing, the scrapper can fill the pan fast.
Чи ни скрепер , вот раньше были СКРЕПЕРА
If i operated a scraper or dozer like those guys i would been sacked first day.
All these old girls and then one lucky guy in a G. Man these guys need some proper training lmfao
PDC, cool place.
Some bad spreads going on there!
What is the "tarp" like object on the side of the pan?
The tarp is to stop dirt getting stuck in the draft arm
@@michaelboyd959 I wrote that so long ago Michael, I had to do some reconaissance to figure out what the hell I was asking. THANK YOU for your answer. had I seen this again, I'd of asked the same question. Is that common? I have not seen that much. (I got to operate a pan ONCE in my life for an hour or two..... it was FUN! or interesting anyhow.) I have ran about everything, I'm not really in the business, but I had a land development company at one time......
@@brentbarnhart5827 it’s a pleasure Brent, over the years I have operated a few machines, TS14 TS24 Cat 631,657, 966,950,& a few others Dump Truck & graders!!!! I do like a chat about these fascinating machines!! Thank you for the time to reply to me, I used to go & watch a company called Dick Hampton Earth moving when they were digging out the Royal Seaforth Dock back in 1968/69! A fleet of Cat 631B’s were used plus Terex ts14/24& D9,D8& assorts of heavy Equipment were in use 24/6, Sunday off for maintaining The machines!👍
@@michaelboyd959 As busy as I am Michael (I work as an engineer in the printing industry now) television and movies are almost impossible to keep my attention. Anything educational will do.... but something as simple as watching such machines as these is both entertaining, and amazing at the technology, etc. As an engineer, I do have another question for you, because you know every moment of my life is "I want to know" about everything. So back to the TARP. What you said, makes perfect sense. But my question, why does it seem like I have never, or never, see tarps in real life, and/or in other RUclips videos? Is it more important in certain soils? Or simply, it is used by people who want to take "ultra care" of their machines and go the extra mile from the parts wearing? (I represent only 1 company besides my own, and its an English company Col-Tec out of Hampshire.... not far from StoneHenge.) We have a lot of fun with all of the different words and pronunciations when I am there. And I ALWAYS apologize to my new Brittish friends for the "Tea Incident" there in the Boston Harbor. So there ya go, "sorry bout that....." (Once I asked some girl at the convenience store, who that "lady on the money was?" she practically had a heart attack as she explained to me that it was, well.... THE QUEEN!) Then I started smiling, and she realized I was teasing her..... but BOY, was she a bit incessed there for a few moments. Last but not least... WHY, WHY did you send us Harry! Please take him back, I'm sorry that crazy American woman he married screwed up his brain. I used to think he had his shit together.....
Good morning Brent, thank you for the interesting message you have sent ! Hahaha! First of all Harry is under the spell of his Mrs! There maybe no hope for him! & as for taking him back, well I’m not to sure about that🤣!!! Ok about the serious stuff! “The Tarp” if you look closely at some of the new Cat Scrapers you will see that they have a deflection plate fitted where the “Tarp” is, but not on all Machines, I think the Tarp is more flexible, it moves with the up & down freely with the Box!(Pan)or (Bowl) if you are digging deep the metal deflector if it protrudes to far out from the box it could catch on the draft arm, I will have to have a closer look, I fact I feel the need to get back on the Scraper again!!!!! I see everything is controlled by one lever & buttons! You can even program the loading & tipping program into the computer, & the machine takes care or computer takes care of it! You just steer the thing!!!!🤣like everything it will be Automated eventually!😢, did you use “Cushion Hitch”? how about pushing the Scrapers with a Cat D9G? I have most of the operator’s hand book’s for these machines, but not with me, they are in a garage in Serbia!!!🤣
The bully operator is a tool. Scrapers cant unload if its so uneven.
Thanks! My target audience. ;-)
Thank you. Great song ... "Industrial Disease" by Dire Straits. Sort of a joke. ;-)
Savage type machinery wtf
627s would put the cat skinner out of a job
i run one of those there pan
Where on the Wisconsin border was this?
Esse operado esta colgado
Nice video but some bad operators & bad earthworks management on show here. A good lesson on how not to do it I suppose 👍
That’s a muddy site. Scraper + Mud = poor production. Earthmoving 101.
Amatures
I sorta agree, I don't think it just cause they are single engine machines, I think they are WORE OUT and thus UNDeRPoWeRed
Most of the guys on this video need to be fired anyways.
Igcn
Terrible performance wouldn’t let them warm the seat!,
OMG worst scraper operators I've ever seen
Very poor, inexperienced scraper operator.. Or I should say scraper driver. Pile is a mess and no compaction..
worthless single engine scrapers they need 637 two engine scrapers. They also need to be pushed to get loaded and pushed to dump. completely waste of money....
is it me or are these guys truly awfull!! why would you post a video like this?
Some bad spreads going on there!