I don't want to be one of those "influencers" whose only mission on RUclips is getting free stuff to fly once and then sell off. I want to help other people reach their own goals. Free stuff is nice too, though.
Another great video! I really enjoy the landing tutorials, there is nothing like a nice greasy landing!.Thanks for all the extra time and effort you put in to help this great hobby!
I glued some wood support in to the canopy bay on the sides and while the glue has dryed I have pushed the nose a bit up, so when there is a weight in the nose the canopy won't open. Now with every landing even some harder landings the canopy never has fallen off or even opened. I just used some 3mm thick plywood.
Awesome! How the place-to-fly solves! Landing from a big open space is much easier, imagine if you'd land from the other side, from trees, or having some big obstacles in the near background. You inspired me.
Great video, thank you for sharing. I watched your setup and am very interested in seeing your install and setup of the gps module, and which gps unit you prefer.
Setup is super simple - just plug the GPS into the X-Bus port and rebind the receiver afterward. It'll auto-populate the GPS screen. Just scroll over to it from the main window. I'm running tinyurl.com/SpektrumGPS
I forgot to mention, all of the SMC batteries I have owned I was really impressed with. I was using them form my surface vehicles 2s 100c packs lasted me about 4 years before the performance started to drop off. I am currently trying out the Spektrum G2 4s lipos, and they have been good so far.
Hi Jon, I just got one of these and so far I’m enjoying it. Just a heads up , the comment you made about CG and stalling is incorrect (sorry) moving the flying CG forward increases stall speeds, (wing angle of attack is more accurate but that’s another discussion) many RC models do seem to fly better with the CG a little forward, but you should always stay within the prescribed CG range for each model. It is a range not a single point. Going beyond (fore or aft) will cause different problems in flight. Too far forward and you may run out of elevator authority, to far aft and the the plane will become unstable and potentially unflyable. By the way, very nice precision landings, very narrow runway and you landed close to center line… I fly on a 25 ft wide runway and you’d be surprised at how many pilots have trouble staying on it during landing
Could you clarify how you find it incorrect? Moving the CG backward causes it to be much more likely to laterally depart from controlled flight when it stalls - e.g. yawing when stalling instead of simply dropping a wing or nosing down. The 70mm F-35 suffered from this, as did the 70mm Viper. Appreciate the feedback!
@@TwoBrosRC Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying but it sounded like you were implying an aft CG would increase the likelihood of a stall. Except for an extreme aft CGs that would be incorrect. Yes, moving the CG too far back will make the airplane do what you said in your reply, that is it will become unstable and if it does enter a stall and a resulting spin it is very unlikely that it will be able to recover since it would be difficult to get the nose down for recovery, but it doesn’t make a stall more likely, that is unless the CG is so far back that you can’t keep the nose down. Although we usually refer to stall speeds ( in full scale airplanes) the reality is an airplane (wing) can stall at any airspeed, it is the angle of attack (AOA) relative to air flow that determines when a wing will stall, each wing type/shape/camber/ wing loading will have a different AOA. I’m not an aerodynamic engineer but I’m a commercial rated pilot and this is one of the things they make sure you understand when you learn to fly. Didn’t mean to be critical, or disrespectful just wanted to clarify a topic that is sometimes misunderstood in our RC community. Don’t need to take my word for it (I’m only covering the basics) if you’re interested to learn more, find a local airport/ flight school and talk to a flight instructor,they’re a great source
That isn't incorrect though. Rearward CG makes the pitch authority more sensitive which makes it much easier to hit critical AoA and experience an accelerated stall. I wasn't trying to say that you're going to stall easily if you have a rearward CG by default - just that the stick movements you'll put in will make it more likely to hit critical AoA. Like I said, I appreciate the feedback! No need to apologize.
Hi Jon, I think we’re saying the same thing just a little differently, I agree, an aft CG does make the plane sensitive to control inputs and thus unstable. I’ve only flown my F-5 a few times and so far I haven’t noticed any bad habits, looking forward to flying it some more. Take care, Chet
Thanks Dale! I brushed it on. The results aren't perfect but it's a foam jet that comes imperfect out of the box. The lack of pure mirror shine on it will actually add to the realism because no jet has perfectly shiny surfaces.
I have the same ESC issue with one of my Mig 29 stock 100A HW ESC powering 80mm EDF that cuts off once in a while. I do know of another pilot at our field having the same issue on another 100A HW ESC.
thx alot for the good content, very helpful! I am working up the courage to buy the F-5 as a second jet..😬😀 still am a little awed by its serious power.. but widely spaced landing gear in the back and flaps should make landing easier, doesn't it? 🤔
Follow this guide to a T and you should be fine. It's a very heavily loaded airplane and will literally fall out of the sky if you don't approach with power.
Hi Mr. J. I've been following and watching multiple times your excellent videos for years now. I'm curious, how would you stack this up to your beloved E-flight F-16 70 or 80mm, similar flight characteristics perhaps?
Thanks for following us! The F-5 is pretty much an advanced to expert level aircraft. It's nothing like the 70 F-16 and you should only consider flying it if you're really confident in your skills.
Your ESC cut out may also be due to Low Voltage Cutoff (LVC) in your ESC. If the battery has a high internal resistance, it can drop the output voltage significantly under high load.
Gald, you saw that the ailerons were wrong. I did the same thing to a new 70mm FMS Viper. I checked it on the bench right before. I made a change in the radio last second and must have hit something and reversed them. And we all know how that ends.
Hi Steve! You can get GPS info on your NX8 but it won't be custom like mine is. You'll get a lot of other audio callouts bundled into it if I'm not mistaken. The manual should have information on how to enable audio events.
Would it be fine to land like an F16. So, coming in with a high AoA to bleed airspeed so long as I'm balancing it with some throttle? I have one coming in next week and landing always worry me more than the flight. Thank you.
Nope. It'll stall out and drop a wing. Definitely don't recommend that at all. It has a narrow range of alpha it tolerates which narrows further with dropped flaps. We highly recommend following the guide because it's a demonstrably proven way to land without damaging the airframe. Plus the high AoA, should it even work, would lead to a tail strike from the very low wheelbase.
Hi there, I can't seem to find this information out regarding battery weight and mah. My smart 6s 7000mah weighs less than my admiral 6000mah 6s by about 80 grams. Both are storage charged and like new condition. Why would the 7000 mah weigh less than my 6000 mah?
@@RCnurse Generally, a 30C battery is constructed from thinner, lighter materials than a 50C battery. If your battery is getting too hot, you need one with a higher C-rating..
@@TwoBrosRC I’ve only had one flight on mine so far. And that flight was to trim it out and get the feel of the plane. So didn’t do any speed runs with it. I only needed 2 clicks of down. I’ll have to see how I do with the next landing.
only one on youtube showing folks how to land. Happens to be the hardest learning curve most people will ever do in this hobby. Props and thank you
I don't want to be one of those "influencers" whose only mission on RUclips is getting free stuff to fly once and then sell off. I want to help other people reach their own goals. Free stuff is nice too, though.
You guys do an awesome job on this channel. Thank you so much for your advice and videos.
Glad you enjoy it!
Another great video! I really enjoy the landing tutorials, there is nothing like a nice greasy landing!.Thanks for all the extra time and effort you put in to help this great hobby!
Thank you Rich!
You was right Jon! Maidened the viper about an hour ago and it was glorious.
Vipers are good jets for sure…I’m gon watch this video when I get home!..
Just keep that speed up buddy. Also make sure it's nose heavier. It's one of those jets that loses yaw stability with a rearward CG.
Happy Father’s Day to you Bill! And Happy Father’s Day to you Jon!
Thanks buddy!
Thanks!
i love this f5n the flight characteristics makes me so excited! My no.1 freewing picks, enjoy yours!!
I glued some wood support in to the canopy bay on the sides and while the glue has dryed I have pushed the nose a bit up, so when there is a weight in the nose the canopy won't open. Now with every landing even some harder landings the canopy never has fallen off or even opened. I just used some 3mm thick plywood.
Good idea. I'll look into it!
This is the performance reviews I'm after!
Seeing what battery,esc and fan work best for ultimate speed!!
Glad to be of service!
Awesome! How the place-to-fly solves! Landing from a big open space is much easier, imagine if you'd land from the other side, from trees, or having some big obstacles in the near background. You inspired me.
Glad to hear it!
Those are some good landings you demo'd. Thanks for shooting that!
Anytime man! It can be a tricky jet to bring down safely so I'd prefer to help others if possible.
@@TwoBrosRC That's great. I'm a flying newbie and even more a newbie at edf's so I'll take all the coaching and tips I can find.
i just got the f5 in the swiss scheme too... so thank you so much for this video....hopefully this helps with all my heavy wing loading planes
Love your stuff...and as a virginian....any place in NC. is just down the highway....👍👍
Looking great on landings
Thank you Jon as I am coming from floaters (trainers and profile 3Ds) I am having to learn to keep throttle in instead of deadsticking in
For jets like this, absolutely - throttle is essential. Others, not so much. Glad to help!
Sweet plane love the on screen record
I'll try to find ways to add it in the future. Thanks Shane!
Nice video and thanks for the info. I need to get myself one of these
Great video, thank you for sharing. I watched your setup and am very interested in seeing your install and setup of the gps module, and which gps unit you prefer.
Setup is super simple - just plug the GPS into the X-Bus port and rebind the receiver afterward. It'll auto-populate the GPS screen. Just scroll over to it from the main window. I'm running tinyurl.com/SpektrumGPS
Great work on the video and landings.
Working on landings with my freewing bae t1 hawk
I forgot to mention, all of the SMC batteries I have owned I was really impressed with. I was using them form my surface vehicles 2s 100c packs lasted me about 4 years before the performance started to drop off. I am currently trying out the Spektrum G2 4s lipos, and they have been good so far.
SMC doesn't make any 4s packs in sizes I need so I'll stick with other brands for that.
Thanks so much
Hi Jon, I just got one of these and so far I’m enjoying it. Just a heads up , the comment you made about CG and stalling is incorrect (sorry) moving the flying CG forward increases stall speeds, (wing angle of attack is more accurate but that’s another discussion) many RC models do seem to fly better with the CG a little forward, but you should always stay within the prescribed CG range for each model. It is a range not a single point. Going beyond (fore or aft) will cause different problems in flight. Too far forward and you may run out of elevator authority, to far aft and the the plane will become unstable and potentially unflyable. By the way, very nice precision landings, very narrow runway and you landed close to center line… I fly on a 25 ft wide runway and you’d be surprised at how many pilots have trouble staying on it during landing
Could you clarify how you find it incorrect? Moving the CG backward causes it to be much more likely to laterally depart from controlled flight when it stalls - e.g. yawing when stalling instead of simply dropping a wing or nosing down. The 70mm F-35 suffered from this, as did the 70mm Viper.
Appreciate the feedback!
@@TwoBrosRC Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying but it sounded like you were implying an aft CG would increase the likelihood of a stall. Except for an extreme aft CGs that would be incorrect. Yes, moving the CG too far back will make the airplane do what you said in your reply, that is it will become unstable and if it does enter a stall and a resulting spin it is very unlikely that it will be able to recover since it would be difficult to get the nose down for recovery, but it doesn’t make a stall more likely, that is unless the CG is so far back that you can’t keep the nose down. Although we usually refer to stall speeds ( in full scale airplanes) the reality is an airplane (wing) can stall at any airspeed, it is the angle of attack (AOA) relative to air flow that determines when a wing will stall, each wing type/shape/camber/ wing loading will have a different AOA. I’m not an aerodynamic engineer but I’m a commercial rated pilot and this is one of the things they make sure you understand when you learn to fly. Didn’t mean to be critical, or disrespectful just wanted to clarify a topic that is sometimes misunderstood in our RC community. Don’t need to take my word for it (I’m only covering the basics) if you’re interested to learn more, find a local airport/ flight school and talk to a flight instructor,they’re a great source
That isn't incorrect though. Rearward CG makes the pitch authority more sensitive which makes it much easier to hit critical AoA and experience an accelerated stall. I wasn't trying to say that you're going to stall easily if you have a rearward CG by default - just that the stick movements you'll put in will make it more likely to hit critical AoA.
Like I said, I appreciate the feedback! No need to apologize.
Hi Jon, I think we’re saying the same thing just a little differently, I agree, an aft CG does make the plane sensitive to control inputs and thus unstable. I’ve only flown my F-5 a few times and so far I haven’t noticed any bad habits, looking forward to flying it some more. Take care, Chet
Have same F-5 using China Hobbies 4000mah 65c packs and got 148.4 mph on numerous flights. CHL batteries have beat all others I’ve tried.
Neat, happy they work for you!
Nice video. Did you brush or spray the minwax polycrylic?
Thanks Dale! I brushed it on. The results aren't perfect but it's a foam jet that comes imperfect out of the box. The lack of pure mirror shine on it will actually add to the realism because no jet has perfectly shiny surfaces.
I have the same ESC issue with one of my Mig 29 stock 100A HW ESC powering 80mm EDF that cuts off once in a while. I do know of another pilot at our field having the same issue on another 100A HW ESC.
That's unfortunate. Hope you get it sorted out soon!
I wish we had your length of blacktop. We only have 200 feet with raised concrete curbs at each end. So touching down at 45mph becomes crap shoot.
Unfortunately that's about all you can do with the F-5.
thx alot for the good content, very helpful! I am working up the courage to buy the F-5 as a second jet..😬😀 still am a little awed by its serious power.. but widely spaced landing gear in the back and flaps should make landing easier, doesn't it? 🤔
Follow this guide to a T and you should be fine. It's a very heavily loaded airplane and will literally fall out of the sky if you don't approach with power.
Compare to Jas39 Gripen which one has a more predictable landing attitude ? Im waiting for my Jas39 to arrive
Gripen is easier to land. Much easier, actually.
Hi Mr. J. I've been following and watching multiple times your excellent videos for years now. I'm curious, how would you stack this up to your beloved E-flight F-16 70 or 80mm, similar flight characteristics perhaps?
Thanks for following us! The F-5 is pretty much an advanced to expert level aircraft. It's nothing like the 70 F-16 and you should only consider flying it if you're really confident in your skills.
Your ESC cut out may also be due to Low Voltage Cutoff (LVC) in your ESC. If the battery has a high internal resistance, it can drop the output voltage significantly under high load.
LVC is disabled so that can't possibly be the issue here. Batteries have low IR as well. I wouldn't fly them if they didn't.
Gald, you saw that the ailerons were wrong. I did the same thing to a new 70mm FMS Viper. I checked it on the bench right before. I made a change in the radio last second and must have hit something and reversed them. And we all know how that ends.
Always preflight, it's cheap insurance!
@@TwoBrosRC now I check everything on the bench after I plug in the battery and then again after I place it on the runway. I learned the hard way.
I just did my first flight this evening on my F5. It wasn't that bad with no gyro. Landing went without a hitch.
Happy to hear it!
Great video! Q: if you hace to choose only one plane which one you go for? Gripen or F5? Cheers!!
Gripen, absolutely. It's a much better aircraft overall.
What is the maximum flap angle?
No idea, we don't own the jet anymore.
John what’s up killer pilot man ur the only person I have seen with miles per hour on the transmitter would nx8 have the technology for that
Hi Steve! You can get GPS info on your NX8 but it won't be custom like mine is. You'll get a lot of other audio callouts bundled into it if I'm not mistaken. The manual should have information on how to enable audio events.
Ok u got it that’s a killer setup I kinda thought it doesn’t come like that haha thanks
Bro, how many batteries do you have? Am so jealous. Great video as always
Most of mine are cheap Zeee packs. They're not all that great unfortunately.
Would it be fine to land like an F16. So, coming in with a high AoA to bleed airspeed so long as I'm balancing it with some throttle? I have one coming in next week and landing always worry me more than the flight. Thank you.
Nope. It'll stall out and drop a wing. Definitely don't recommend that at all. It has a narrow range of alpha it tolerates which narrows further with dropped flaps. We highly recommend following the guide because it's a demonstrably proven way to land without damaging the airframe. Plus the high AoA, should it even work, would lead to a tail strike from the very low wheelbase.
Hi there, I can't seem to find this information out regarding battery weight and mah. My smart 6s 7000mah weighs less than my admiral 6000mah 6s by about 80 grams. Both are storage charged and like new condition. Why would the 7000 mah weigh less than my 6000 mah?
What's the C rating between the packs?
@@TwoBrosRC I think the spectrum is 30c, the admiral is 50c
That's probably the difference then.
@@RCnurse Generally, a 30C battery is constructed from thinner, lighter materials than a 50C battery. If your battery is getting too hot, you need one with a higher C-rating..
@@txkflier thanks!
What product did you use to make it glassy !?
Minwax polycrylic.
@@TwoBrosRC Thank you, captain
It might be the ESC. Like I said in the chat. I got 127mph and I was only at 60% to 70% throttle on the Stock HP motor and ESC.
Probably is, which is why it keeps cutting out.
@@TwoBrosRC I’ve only had one flight on mine so far. And that flight was to trim it out and get the feel of the plane. So didn’t do any speed runs with it. I only needed 2 clicks of down. I’ll have to see how I do with the next landing.
Good luck!
Greetings from Greensboro. What facility are you flying from? I presume you belong to a club? Is there a website that I could take a look at? Cheers.
Hey man! I don't fly at a club. It's a private airport that I've got permission to fly from.