Dietitian Reacts to Super Size vs Super Skinny UK Show (HOW did this even AIR?!)
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“I have to drive home after this” tell me why I thought this was your kitchen the entire time
Me too !!!
Wait....is this not her kitchen?
Lol it’s my studio kitchen - 30min from hone!
I thought it was too! 🤯
This reminds me of my dad telling me Santa isn't real.
I was an extreme anorexic when this show was on and it actually saved my life. It played a very important role in helping me explain to others what I was going through and made me feel seen. From a recovered anorexic's point of view, this show was crucial to my recovery and it helped me bridge conversations that I didn't have the vocabulary for before this show existed.
that’s great, but this is probably the minority’s experience. i’m struggling with anorexia myself currently and ever since discovering that show, it got seriously worse and people around me (even my psychologist) told me they see that i’m getting worse. the show is horrible and i srsly hope no one else watches it, out of fear that they’ll go thru disordered eating as well.
so proud of you OP i was obese now just heading down to a healthier weight
this is not the case for the majority of people
It really helped me too ... I had to skip the "ban big bums" crap though.
yeah... im anorexic and this show made me so much worse
This show requires you to watch more than just a few episodes. They absolutely show how malnutrition and lack of eating can affect your body.
Exactly! Abbey did not represent this show properly at all!
@@RosesareRed38 it’s a shame, because I really like her, but this video and the Amberlynn Reid video were a total fail:/
@@agnethernstrup2210 yeah I’m so disappointed! I remember watching super size vs super skinny and it showed how eating 1200 calories a day was bad and they told one woman to eat 2400 calories a day to support her! It showed me that I needed to eat more!
And one "skinny" lady had a good healthy diet, but she was just too active and wasn't getting enough calories.
We know that malnutrition is bad for the body. That doesn't excuse what they do.
I’m in the UK, and I’m morbidly obese, and personally I found this show more compelling and motivating than many other weight loss style shows. Different countries and different people respond differently to show types.
And Gillian McKeith was kicked from the show when it was found her medical ‘qualifications’ were faked and lied about.
I am too and I agree, it was an honest and brutal show, apart from gillian ofcourse. And most people on there got results so they must've been doing something right
People don’t like harsh truth
I’m in the uk and I used this show to force myself to starve. Ur experience is not universal
@@ldelilah3864 “different people respond differently”
I know literally no one cares but I just at two cookies and didn’t binge and I have no one to tell so youtube is my friend right now :)
Edit: the comment section is the absolute best and I didn’t expect anyone to like this so I want to say thank you and I wasn’t trying to be sappy and dig for likes commenting this, I’ve noticed other people’s stories in the comments so if anyone needs to talk I’m here :) ❤️❤️❤️
Good job keep it up!!😁💕
Congrats ❣
well done on the healthy snack behavour!
that's great!! ❤️
so great
The show also had segments aimed at people with eating disorders where they show people who are in recovery getting comfortable with food again...
This was nearing the end of the programme I think. It was heavily dramatised and had a lot of misinformation at the beginning but became slightly more informed and focused on EDs nearer the end. After watching the video though, I am on the fence about the true purpose of the programme :/
but what's the point? most of the shittier parts of this show have millions of views on youtube, and practically everyone watching it uses it as a mechanism to keep up and continue their bad food habits
@@anaeeb795 From season 3 on I think, and there were 7 seasons.
@@NCC-1701_no_bloody_a_b_c_or_d oh that's earlier on in the programme than i thought ahah
That was prob the most triggering part as I just copied the ED behaviour from the treatment group, and ignored the recovery part, because in my brain they were so much skinnier and I wanted to look like them.
“Unless you stole it, all food is zero guilt” i need that on a t-shirt😂
I know right!
Genius merch idea.
I would definitely buy that!😅
@@AbbeysKitchen I would love to design that shirt for you!! Please let me know if you're interested, I could show you some of my portfolio!
@@AbbeysKitchen I would totally buy that t-shirt. You should consider selling that as merch!!
Idk if Abbey watched more than the first 2 seasons because Dr Jensen in the later seasons worked super hard to show both ends what they deal with is a mental illness, and used them to talk to each other to get to the root of their traumas.
Also, they had a Dr who had 2 or 3 seasons to work with anorexic and bulimic individuals to teach watchers the dangers of undereating and disordered eating
Dr Jensen also consistently showed the underweight people issues they're putting their bodies through with pictures from other patients and at times real body samples and tissues
The show has issues, and shock factor was for ratings, but it did improve and wasn't all bad just because it's not HAES
Yess!
Yes!!! I hope people don't aimlessly listen to Abbey and actually watch it for themselves
@@frankieloves7078 this is so uninformed I hate how she goes after Dr. Christian
I really loved how the first season equally discussed how bad being severely underweight can be for your body.
I don’t think the show is all bad but I do think the premise is a bit flawed. Like the way it made some people fear being like the supersize and being inspired by the super skinny, I’ve had similar thoughts watching it and I’ve never had an ED myself (these thoughts are very, very sneaky). But otherwise the show did teach me a lot about nutrition and eating disorders, and can be very informative, but the watcher does have to be very careful navigating through some parts
Oh and in the uk we have a show called 'secret eaters' which involved searching through participants bins for foods they ''lied'' about eating.
Omg! I forgot about that show!
I LOVE THAT SHOW TOO damn we had so many good health shows
@@CH-jj8wk I don’t know if I’d call them ‘good health’ shows, especially not after watching this video!😅
Loved that show! If you have no idea why you are gaining (most do but ok) then it is great that someone tells you why.
I actually loved this show, I thought it really brought to light how often we all mindlessly eat
This show taught me why I was overweight because in one episode there was a woman who ate normal and healthy food but she was overweight just because her portions were too big and I realised I had the same issue...
Same for me and the rest of my family, but i guess people are normalphobic now days, god forbid striving for a weight that won't crack my knees early
@@davidlevingstone4429 😂 😂
I actually took good pointers from this show too!
damn that's me a bit but with intense exercise, when i think about it the one superskinny eating the fruit only is my second favorite episode like that healthy eater one
@@davidlevingstone4429 HAHHAHAA
There’s a “super sized vs super skinny kids” too which is extra fucked up
Yes! I saw one ep. it's so depressing. So is the Fat camp show
This makes me so angry to know.
Oh no, I'll have a look at that
😡
Oh gosh I had no idea that show even existed, body shaming kids is an extra helping of f’ed up
Surprised to see this in my recommendations. This show was not at all problematic, I remember watching it when I was younger and found it very eye opening, it showed that there are different types of disordered eating. It certainly made me think more about the rubbish I was putting in my body as a teen!
Oh hey I used to be subbed
the one thing I hated about this show was when they dumped everything they would eat in a day into a tube to show how much it was. waste of food! but I think they stopped doing it after a while
it is very problematic, lots of ppl woith eds use it tp trigger themselves
@@nameless568 If you have an ED you have to take some responsibility and avoid triggers. It's simply not possible to ban every single trigger so you really shouldn't be expecting people to. Some people are triggered by underwear/bikini pics yet that's a big part of how businesses advertise and sell their products. If you are triggered by weight then don't watch this show and if you do, don't blame the show for your choice to trigger yourself.
What is unproblematic about a show that makes health all about deamatic weight change? You know they are gonna bounce right back to their original weight after this because the diet they put them on isn't sustainable, right? And what about the 'ban big bums' bullshit? There's literally nothing that's not problematic about this show
I watched that whole series back in the day. As someone who has dealt with anorexia for 25 years, I do appreciate that they spent some time exploring eating disorders and bringing awareness. Can't wait to watch this, Abbey!
Thank you, I hope it's helpful!
Woof - I totally forgot about the season on kiddos and just how problematic this show is on sooooo many levels. Thank you for addressing it!
Omg, 25 years???? You poor thing. I’m so sorry. I can’t imagine dealing with an ED for that long. Hope you have completely healed now!!
I was thinking the same thing! I've had an eating disorder (mainly anorexia) for 30 years (since I was 6) and I really appreciated that they did speak about eating disorders.
@@laurenbi No, but, have been hospitalized since 2015 (after being recommended for palliative care)- I am in good health now but struggle with food in general. However, I make improvements year over year and that is the goal! No matter what professionals tell us, there is always hope if we are able to find purpose and a healthy community.
This show actually showed me what ED recovery could be like and that weight gain in an unhealthy body is positive. I think it Is great that there were some people left that could approach the human body with a great sense of humour and optimism.
See I find it does the opposite for me. I find it very triggering to watch, which sucks because I actually enjoy the show.
I've experienced both of what you're saying. It's depended where I've been on my journey. I think it's an individual thing x
I experienced both, but it was when they started following the stories and recovery journeys of people with different types of ED... that opened my eyes to my own ED. Hearing them talk about the way they viewed food and their thoughts and anxieties was just like what went on in my head and I realised I had a problem.
Yeah I actually watched it a lot while I was at my worst, and it reinforced that was I thought of as "normal" amounts of food was actually completely unhinged by having a bigger person next to like one strawberry and a saltine. The show wasn't a "good thing," but I think it highlighted how both skinny and fat people probably aren't eating "right."
You don’t have to be skinny to have an ED, smh 🤦♀️
Did anyone else with BED watch this show religiously so that they wouldn't binge and would just end up starving? No? Just me?
(I'm not promoting this behaviour whatsoever do not do this lol)
Nope me too. And I would use it to justify my intake ("yeah I binged but it wasn't as bad as that dude so I'm OK, right?")
@@suzannesmith266 STOP ME TOO
Yep 😂
ohmygod I thought I was the only one
me lol
Hi, Dietetics Graduate student focused on Obesity and T2D here. This show was fantastic. The shocking language used is dated, but it is also English. They don't mince words the way Americans do. The "superskinny" participants are absolutely not idealized, and the diet plans in the "ominous red folders" are elucidated in later seasons. Also, there are countless educational portions discussing the dangers of disordered eating - both over AND under. There was even a tragic interview with a woman who had lost her daughter to anorexia, who had died right on their couch. Please do not spread misinformation.
Thank you. I'll still watch this reaction to see what she has to say, but I can already tell by the comments that she misunderstood the show
I would watch this just a few months ago it reallly helped me
there is no misinformation in this video, this is just her opinion on the show. the reddit threads showed it can be pretty damaging even if you like it
sounds like 1 you didn’t watch her video all the way through and 2 if you did you fall into the category of dietician’s health care professionals with eating disorders or eating disorder tendencies
Don't use the 'English'-ness as some kind of justification for this show. I'm English and I obsessed over this show when I was bulimic. It was like a visual representation of both extreme sides of my behaviour and it was completely triggering to me (but I watched it for that very reason). I can't see how it could not have been triggering for anyone who experienced bingeing and purging symptoms as part of an eating disorder. Even English people whatever you mean by that.
I think while a lot of your criticism is definitely valid, I think when it comes to the language used we shouldn't forget that this started airing 12 years ago and also that this is a British TV show. From my experience, British people are often a lot more straightforward and what we might perceive as insensitive in the way they phrase things. As the intended audience and the participants grew up in that culture, they likely had less issues with it that let's say an American audience might have.
I understand it was a different time, I just thought it was important to point out that many of the issues on this show were not dealt with in a helpful or evidence based manner
A lot of things in that show would be and still are said today. In Britain, commonwealth countries and in Europe, we just call a spade a spade.
Infact a lot of political correctness is offensive pandering in itself. British irony there.
and of course some of show was not exactly exaggerated but emphasised with editing, music, etc. it was a different time and the uk is very blunt and plain spoken. i think it is a great show in terms of education on a healthy lifestyle and what an unhealthy diet can eventually result in :)
Mmmmm im gonna push back on that. Honestly number one, fatphobia impacts british fat people too. And actually ive found british culture to be the exact opposite, far more reserved and obsessed with "politeness" way more than American or Canadian culture.
@@alt4374 Of course British people suffer fat phobia, no one said they didn't. What was said was that we arent PC over it.
British culture can be reserved and shy, but just like with the Poles, once we are comfortable we can be blunt, or if pushed.
Of course it also depends where you are from, people from the South East can be reserved where as Northerners can be blunt. Politeness is very shallow. In UK being insulted can be a compliment!
Im Welsh, we can be shy but loud and aren't shy about being offensive. Its a bit like the idea British people say sorry all the time, we arent sorry, we're just sorry we had to say sorry.
Gillian McKeith had to drop the “Dr” after it was discovered that she had massively overstated her qualifications. It was quite a scandal and no TV company would touch her after that.
I came here hoping someone would say something about her because I knew there was some kind of scandal.
Oh wow!
Yes I remember this! Even when she was on tv she was always seen as a bit of a joke, seeing as she started out as a poo examiner!
yessss I remember that show "You are what you eat", where she looked at people's poop 🤣
@@carolinak1430 I had the book haha - basically brown rice, vegetables and juices
In early seasons, this show did show the “supper skinny” how them being underweight could negatively affect their health. There were also many segments on EDs. I feel like Abbey just watched a few episodes and is overly critiquing for shock value. The show wasn’t one that encouraged mass weight changes immediately. They were given healthy plans to get on the path they wanted. I don’t think the show necessarily shamed the people. It was more of an eye opener of how serious their habits could get.
I understand, and appreciate the information. I just thought it was important to point out that many of the issues on the portions of the show I watched were not dealt with in a helpful or evidence based manner
I have seen every single episode of the show (my ED is screaming right now because it will NEVER watch a show like this again as 'pass time' anyway) and despite the many ED-related episodes there is way too much focus on weight and shape: no diversification, no different body shapes/sizes, no proper focus on the fact that eating disorders are intersectional mental illnesses not just an "eating-related issue" for white and underweight young people. It just shows people being rehabilitated into eating normally, but like, how could this help a viewer exactly? Anyway the show is ancient I doubt it would ever pass ethics approval now! But just wanted to add this :)
Totally agree and glad someone else said it! I feel like Abby just cherry picked what was convenient for her video.
I get that some of it can be triggering for EDs but I was especially annoyed with her ‘fat shaming’ comments. It’s like ‘no, they weren’t fat shaming the American people, they were showing the adverse health effects as a precaution!’
@@CharlieRoseHunter absolutely, I don’t think the Americans would be on the show if it was just to fat shame. They chose to be on to try and help someone realize what their future could be. It was hard to see but the truth can be difficult to hear. I commend those people for being vulnerable in hopes to help someone change their life around.
@@AbbeysKitchen You never watched a single episode, just made a clickbait video. In every single episode is loudly said, that none of their eating habits are good and it's all about the willpower to change. Every toddler knows how to eat healthily, it's not rocket science.
1. no one forced them
2. they can’t show super skinnies a worse version bc they’re dead
3. they teach nutrition as well as fat loss
4. they aren’t pitted against eachother they are tools for eachother to use willingly
5. you have entirely missed the point
6. yeah if you go on an eating disorder forum you’re gonna find people with eating disorders.... doesn’t reflect on the show at all
Exactly!!
She deosnt get it.We european are very different from them. Americans are way far behind from us. Everything is taboo to them.
@@AngeRose47 shes canadian. Not American
@@katelinrichards6824 Well geographically she’s american…so same old.
1. of course nobody did, but the show is still harmful
2. literally did you not see the later seasons where they had anorexic people on there?
3. barely
4. literally yes they are, they swap diets and tell each other about how they eat
5. the point of the show is to promote weight loss and prevent the spread of obesity in the uk, which is all well and good but the way they do so is problematic, which is what she is referring to. no show should be able to be used to trigger oneself into not eating.
6. once again, no show should be able to be used to trigger oneself. any show that has EATING DISORDER FORUMS DEDICATED TO THEM ARE PROBLEMATIC. PERIOD.
just because YOU don’t have disordered eating doesn’t mean other people also don’t. this show is something i, as well as many other people, used to justify starving ourselves. it doesn’t matter what the point of the show is, it is problematic at best and triggering and offensive at first. it absolutely should not have been able to air.
Those British shows are actually realistic... not everybody has eating disorders, not every one cares about what their next meal is gonna be. They never sugar coated anything and I’m glad they showed how both sides were terrible. I think it’s kinda tone deaf to even say why would they even air this when all we see nowadays is how Netflix only releases unrealistic movies and somehow y’all fine with that. Yes they were kinda cruel with the comments but the truth is supposed to be said Period.
str8 fax no printer💯
Or the complete opposite, promoting obesity. Sad days. And I totally agree, the truth is the truth, it's not supposed to feel good or bad, it's supposed to bring awareness to the facts in the matter.
There is a cultural gap here as well that she doesn't take into account . This show works in the UK.
Thank you!!! That was all I needed to hear. When is it ok to sugarcoat it when you are destroying yourself.
I understand where you're coming from, and I think it's good that this show showed that you can have problematic eating habits wheter you're under- or overweight. But it is no lie that in these shows there are many unhealhty and dangerous ways to make the contestants loose as much weight as possible just to get good numbers on scale in the last episode. I would like to see how effective these shows were to the contestants on the long run.
This show was excellent in educating the different types of eating disorders and the damage they do to your body. It honestly raised so much awareness and probably helped a lot of people decide to change their ways. That’s why it was on air for SO MANY seasons :)
Yes I used to have Anorexia and watch this show as a reminder to stay a healthy weight
When this show was on air it was shared on pro-ED sites all the time as 'motivation'
that’s funny cuz watching this show is like a running inside joke of the ed community, Like most of us have watched this show specifically to trigger ourselves, make fun of the fat people and scoop up as much information about the skinny persons diet and lifestyle
I actually LOVED this show! And they did focus a LOT on health. I also believe there was a season on which a woman battling anorexia (or maybe she recovered) was meeting other women battling or recovering from eating disorders. IMO it’s another case of judging something from the past with today’s eyes.
Yep! They did weigh ins at the start and end, and there was body shaming for shock value, but a lot of the show as focussed on the risks of nutritional deficiencies excessive salt or saturated fat, not specifically body size or calories. The woman you talked about was a recovered anorexic and a journalist. I've never had anorexia but I found her segments helpful for understanding what anorexia is like and how it is treated.
That was in later seasons. They had like 3 women dealing with eating disorders
Yes, and there were definitely episodes where, at the final weigh in, it was noted that people were able to come off their BP meds or whatever. I hate the segments with Anna Richardson and whoever the other woman was from the early seasons but there’s a lot of good content that absolutely put some food habits in perspective for me.
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There were a lot more people with eating disorders than 3. Maybe there was only 3 with anorexia but all most every person on that show had different ED's
My mum made me watch this one time. I played a lot of sports as a kid but was still big. She used to call me thunder thighs and say I was fat. I now look back on that and realise I wasn’t big and has contributed to my disordered eating and unhealthy relationship with food. My mum ended up getting weight loss surgery and says I eat too much because I eat more then her and that’s what I need to do to lose weight. I eat between 1500-1800 Cals a day and my diet is very balanced (my weight is health related not because I eat too much) . She as a result of her surgery needs iron injections and refuses to eat a balanced diet. She thinks a pack of 2 minute noodles is enough for lunch and I begged her to have some veggies or tuna with it and she’s like I can’t eat both. I think parents need to own up to their fatphobic comments to their kids and be supportive instead of hounding them about their weight and getting into a toxic unhealthy cycle with food.
Eff your mother. That is a messed up thing to say to your own kid!!
I'm happy you're healthy though, please keep taking care of yourself.
Some extra context: The doctor on the show admitted that he actually suffers severe body dysmorphia
Oh no 🙁
They did HIS BMI on one episode... And he was exposed... So they DID show that. Nobody is perfect, and I think of all people, someone who KNOWS PERSONALLY the fight with disordered eating, while also having the education too, he would know the struggle.
@@uncommonangel What was his BMI? He doesn't look under or over weight.
@@lynncrf it's because he has so much muscle it makes his weight "overweight" when he does look quite healthy.
He was underweight... According to BMI, and so if you ADD to that, his ratio of muscle mass over fat... He was even more so, under weight. You could see something flash in his expression when they told him on the show. Those of the struggle...KNOW the struggle.
I have suffered with binge eating, indulging on 5000+ calories in one sitting, and also having days where I pick at salads and that's it but when I started watching this show about a year ago, it has actually helped me so much. It reminds me of all of the fat and sugar and bad stuff in processed food nowadays, but on the other end of the spectrum, I am reminded of all of the bad things that can happen if you restrict too much. I now haven't binged or starved myself in 3 months and i am very healthy 😊
That is great I'm glad you're better :)
I'm so glad you're doing better! ❤️
Same
That's amazing and gives me hope for my situation! ❤️
@@cozycasasmr4510 I hope you get better soon :) once I realised that food is there to help our bodies and not to sabotage them, I began to have a healthy relationship with food. And I have also started running everyday and it has helped so much, maybe try that! ❤️
The banning big bums part is so ironic, considering it's trendy to have a big bum now. 😂
ikr!i was like hold up-
lmaoo
I was thinking the same! Like in 2008 a flat bum was in, not so much today lol
Unfortunately yeah
I can't stop laughing 😭😭😂
Honestly, in the UK these shows are seen as motivating for better health if not anything. We don’t view them as negative but a wake up call.
No, no. You don't get to speak for all Brits. This Brit hates them
@@Stettafire ditto, they're horrible
As a Brit, personally liked the show, but I think it’s obvious that not everybody agrees with the same things or like the same things. Which it’s fine to have different likes and dislikes. This wasn’t something for everyone, but it also did help out a lot of people too. it’s just down to how each individual person come to their own conclusions to the things they experience
Are you speaking from personal first hand experience ? Where you super skinny or super sized and found this show helpful ?
I actually thought that this show was doing a good job at representing food disorders. It had a special capsule on anorexia (and other restrictive disorders) throughout the seasons and it also talked a lot about binging disorders. I also liked the fact that the skinny person was rarely called anorexic, which is not common. After the few days where meals were swapped between the super skinny and the super size, each had a 3 month plan to follow. Also, the show was always hinting at mental disorders without diagnosing anyone (which is very difficult to do). For example, a trigger such as failure in university or a death was often associated to picking bad food habits. Anyway, I personally liked the show and I kinda disagree with Abbey’s opinion (very rare).
Same! I’m surprised, and I feel like she got this one all wrong :/
I agree. It almost seems like she didn't actually do much research on the show. It seems like she entered into things with the idea that it's "bad and triggering", and maybe looked for elements in a couple of episodes to fit that narrative?
I agree with you on this.
@@cailtegreen7764 Glad I wasn't the only one to get this impression.
@@heidih3048 I agree. Not to be that person but it seems like everything nowadays is considered triggering. The show itself wasn’t bad either I think it’s quite good because of how much information it offered and showed that you can come back from living a disordered lifestyle and be healthy and happy.
The episode that touched me the most was where the doctor host visited a man who was morbidly obese and was paralyzed because he fell walking to the bathroom. I found the show intriguing but agree it could be more helpful if they showed more information on the heathy diet plans he recommends to each individual. The part I found helpful were the parts where they delved into the serious health effects of either being morbidly obese or severely anorexic, agree it’s shock value, but dang it certainly reminds me why I’m working on why I took strong steps to work on becoming not morbidly obese.
Thanks for sharing your perspective!
Severely anorexic? Not all skinny people suffer from anorexia.
@@PeaceOfMake no where did I say that every thin person is anorexic, however the people in the show are all experiencing some degree of disordered eating, not necessarily clinical anorexia. I said the SHOW talked in general about the negative effects of both anorexia and obesity, not that every person on the was clinically anorexic. Stop reading things into others words because you are feeling defensive. None of the thinner people on the show are the size they are at the beginning completely due to genetics or they would not be on the show.
To be honest as someone who was obese basically their entire life I liked this show because it showed me how outrageous my binges would be in the eyes of others (even if the portions weren't as huge as the obese guest's). It really helped me address my emotional eating by seeing the disgusted reactions from the gaunt guests as they were presented with a smorgasbord that I thought looked delicious... Really was a slap of reality I needed. It was also reaffirming to see the realizations from the obese guest after the first two days or so of "force feeding" the gaunt guest, the realization that the massive amounts of food wasn't delicious but was actually disgusting, it made me look at myself and self correct my own portions.
I can see why people would think this show was outrageous, and it was at times, but at the end of the clinic when the super skinny was actually rebuilding an appetite and the super sized just felt bad for having gorged themselves for so long... Those realizations sometimes only happen through outrageous situations.
I agree. I used to suffer from ANA and I've also been overweight, so when I watch this show I feel happy for the participants at the end when they seem to understand that they need to change. I don't think that the actual program is enough to create lifelong change, but it could at the very least be a wake up call.
Is feeling bad for binging really the right way to change disordered eating patterns? Binges usually have reasons outside of just wanting to eat. It’s very complex and should be supported by a psychiatrist/psychologist.
@@CherryJuli Tbh I was binging out of boredom. I know that's not the case for everyone who emotionally eats, but that was and still is my biggest weakness. If I'm sad, angry, or stressed I lose my appetite. But if I'm bored, watching TV, and I bought junk food at the store (or made a GIANT batch of delicious food)... Uh oh lol.
I agree that anyone who feels completely out of control with their eating should get professional help, but I know I'm in control, and that means when I harm my body by over feeding myself (I'm 5'4 and 170, I'm 50 pounds down but, c'mon now, let's call it as it is) I should feel bad because I'm not taking care of myself.
Feeling bad is afterall how I got myself to quit smoking after 10 years. Sometimes guilt is a tool to use, as long as you don't beat yourself with it.
I understand! Thank you for sharing your experience. I just don't think the way many issues were dealt with was evidence based or helpful
@@portofthoughts4477 Agreed! I watched this show a few years ago and it honestly helped me to realize how much I was eating via those tubes of food. I didn't realize how negatively binge episodes could affect my body if I continued down that path. I loved how kind Dr. Jessen was to everyone no matter what. And I liked how they emphasized moderation of treats, *adding* fresh fruit & veggies, not going on ultra restrictive plans and celebrating *realistic* weight loss/gain progress 🤗
I feel like some of this is just English humour than Americans don't get
the "show me your bums!" is definetly a joke cmon people
English humor just isn’t funny... I’ve met more foreigners find American humor funny than British
@@strawbolita British humour is top tier, my friend. To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand british humour
@@hotrightnow8932 I love British sense of humor:D
@@hotrightnow8932 i like british humour but im dumb as fuck so u dont need high iq
Gillian McKeith has another really bizarre diet show called “Eat Yourself Sexy” ... PLEASE REACT!!!!
Omg yeah that show was the worst. She made the people cut out so many normal foods because they weren’t “healthy” enough. Super toxic.
Was that the one where she had them poop in a box to ‘analyse’ ? But then it came out she had no training/medical degree at all
That's show is good
@@ellepeckwhite I can't remember the name of the show, just 'I've been having a look at your poo' in her accent 😂
I think she also had a show called “You are What You Eat.” I’d love to see Abbey review one of those after seeing her opinion of Gillian on this.
They actually did show the super skinnies the potential health effects, they would show them pictures of what could happen if they didnt eat enough like fuzzy body hair and teeth loss
I understand, I just don't think that many of the issues on the show were dealt with in a helpful or evidence based manner
@@AbbeysKitchen definitely!
@@jp93207 yikes Abbey and these copy and paste responses to people who don't entirely agree with everything she said in her video
It was also hilariously unbalanced, they spent about 5 minutes on the super skinnies poor health effects and close to half the show on the supersizers ill health effects. It was like a pathetic Hail Mary in the later seasons, probably because they got criticism in the early seasons.
@@emileedellinger true, but the UK has a massive obesity problem. There are far more overweight people than underweight so I guess it makes sense to spend more time on the dangers of obesity
Oh my goddd, this show actually helped me so much. A few months ago I was rewatching it and he was telling someone 1200 calories isnt enough because that’s what a toddler consumers and at that point I felt guilty for eating any more than 1000.
Same. I needed to see what my diet of sugar free crap was doing to my teeth, bones, etc. I didn’t get this horror show from anywhere else.
Same!
Yeah, this show did try to focus on the health affects of food, and not BMI. I feel like Abbey misrepresented the show somewhat.
@@kw752 I think they should have put a trigger warning on it but I think it’s good that it was so educational
@@kw752 I feel she misrepresented it too. The show typically talked quite a bit about the damaging effects of processed food, high sodium, excess sugar, etc. It provided education to the average person who actually is not aware of such things.
Hmm. I have lots of thoughts on this:
“The sole goal of the show is to manipulate weight, or BMI. Not improve health”. Ummm no it isn’t. On the show two people with eating disorders are shocked and taught how they’re hurting themselves eating/staving the way they do. At the end, they always realize that they need to change. And they get a healthy eating plan before they leave. The “superskinny” has the goal to steadily gain weight, and the “supersize” to lose weight. This video seems disingenuous. I’ve been watching this show on and off since I was in high school, not little clips. When someone who eats 5000 calories a day and weighs like 600 lbs loses weight, that’s a good thing. When someone who eats a minuscule 500-1200 calories a day (literally. Ive seen episodes where the superskinny one eats maybe a couple hundred calories a day and only chugs tea and coffee to keep them going) and is significantly underweight begins to *gain* weight, that’s a good thing.
“Seeing improvements in your blood pressure or your a1c doesn’t drive ratings like dropping those dramatic lbs” you mean like a stone or two? When someone is very morbidly obese, dropping like a stone in 3 months is not some crazy radical change.
About how they fly the “supersize” person to meet someone worse off then them in the US....yeah. The person they meet doesn’t want them to end up in the same situation. With a plethora of horrible health issues, lost limbs from the diabetes, etc. It is a “terrifying glimpse into their future”. I’ve seen it firsthand. It’s fucking terrible dealing with the things the people they fly out to meet have to deal with. People don’t think they’ll ever get to that point...until they wake up and they already ARE. Same with any addiction.
“The premise of the show puts the supersize against the super skinny” no it doesn’t....the idea is to get them to help each other learn that they both need to change their eating habits to live a better and healthier life. And the “superskinny” people *are* “subjected to the same body shaming fear factor experience”. They’re shown what terrible things that can happen to their body if they continue to stave themselves. And they can’t fly them out to meet someone worse off then them because people worse off then them are already dead. Dead from losing the fight against their anorexia. “Even though arguably, their health is in equal and in some cases even greater danger” yes. Of course it is. It’s not arguable. Neither of them are healthy. Again, that’s the point of the show....
“They show erroneously suggests disorder eating is only an issue in the superskinny individual” mmm no it doesn’t.
“Force feeding a chronic under eater HUGE portions of food for a few days in order to immediately stimulate and appreciation of eating is ill informed and dangerous”. They’re not force fed shit. Most don’t even eat a fraction of the food on the plate. Which again, is the point of the show. They all sign up for the show, they know what’s going to happen when they get to the house. You’re so close to the point.
And about the reddit part: its one of *those* kinds of threads. Like the pro Ana tumblr tag. If you go to an eating disorder forum like that, you’re gonna find posts talking about or promoting eating disorders. Shocker.
“The show does not prompt realistic behavioral changes” yes, that’s why both people on the show get, again, healthy eating plans to help them moving forward.
“They’re told to eat a diet so extremely different than what their body and palate is accustomed to, there is no way in hell anyone could reasonably expect it to be sustained” yeah no shit. It’s not meant to be their new long term diet. It’s just for a couple of days so they can gain perspective on what they’re doing to themselves. That’s the point of the show.
And again, the “superskinny” RARELY actually eats the “supersize” portion. Some only take a couple bites, most eat, again, a fraction of the food, and very few get their appetite back fairly quickly and actually get hungry and finish the meal.
And childhood obesity is bad. It’s all on their parents. If a 10 year old kid is eating deep fried foods and ice cream all day every day and not exercising....that’s bad. And it’s the parents’ fault. I don’t understand how someone could argue the opposite. Coming from someone who was very overweight as a child...It was my family who taught and encouraged my bad eating habits from a very young age.
I totally agree with you, if you wouldn't have made that comment I would have, because personally for me, the show was a reminder to myself, that not eating at all and living off of coffee and stuff isn't jealthy and eating too much causes such dire problems. This show has actually gelped in my recovery process from anorexia to come to a normal weight, when I watch it, they don't talk about how it's getting better and going to be okay, no they talk facts what will happen if thouse dietry habits are kept going
kinda feels like whatever assistant does the research for this channel found a youtube video like "most dramatic supersize vs superskinny moments" and based the script off that. they're missing the point and the methodology of the show entirely.
I completely understand what you're saying, but as a recovered anorexic I agree that this show bad. When I was at my worst I would use this show to trigger myself, and I know it's not just me because this show is so commonly used as a trigger that it has become a running joke in the ED community. The fact that this triggers so many people back into old unhealthy habits is evidence enough that the show isn't good or healthy.
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“On the show two people with eating disorders are shocked and taught how they’re hurting themselves eating/starving the way they do. At the end they always realize that they need to change, and they get a healthy eating plan before they leave.” You are very naive or just uneducated. First, do you not think that they don’t know what they do is wrong? As Abby said, a lot of people with eating disorders are on healthcare careers (someone at the facility I work is a neurosurgery resident in the last year of residency, so almost a neurosurgeon. Some of the other clients are nursing students). They don’t just realize, “oh wow, I have been hurting myself, I’m going to change now” because of the show. That’s not how it works, if it were that easy nobody would be struggling. Doesn’t matter what plan they get, they very likely follow it for the amount the show lasts, and then go back to their old eating behaviors, especially the superskinny people. Recovering from an eating disorder is extremely hard. So much so that the success rate are low. Depending on the ED, the success rate can be less than 50%. So half the people or more don’t recover. For those who do recover it can take years, even decades for them to be able to say they recovered. I would like to see all those people now, to see how successful they were at recovery and how much it was due to the program. But I have a pretty good idea. I’ve only been working at an ED treatment facility for a very short time, and I’ve seen a lot of people leave when they are not ready. Some have tried multiple programs all around the country, and are still trying to recover. I work for a very prestigious company in the ED treatment community, so they know what they are doing. Is is also not the work of one doctor. There is a huge team of professionals helping these people. From RDs, to doctors, to psychiatrists, psychologists, nurses, behavioral health technicians, etc. and treatment is still not effective for some. Point is, it is not as simple as the show makes it seem, and their “treatment” was probably NOT effective for most of the people that went through it.
Omg I love this show but I knew you’d be disturbed lol. On a serious note, this show really helped me with my ED. I know that sounds crazy, but seeing the diets of other people with disordered eating really made me realize that I could be helped. Seeing them talk about the traumas that led to EDs and the separate ED groups that are featured really gave me a sense of not being alone. Prior to that I had looked for ED support online, and during that time it was a cesspool of pro-ED groups. It might not work for everyone, but it helped me.
For real! Say what you want abt it being "toxic", but this show gives insight into both ends of the spectrum of bad eating habits in a way that can be understood simply by the masses. It also spreads a lot of awareness on all types of Eating Disorders without overly romanticising them.
@@armochungus5934 I had no one to tell me that my sugar free junk food diet was rotting my teeth, bones etc. This show made me realize I could keep ruining myself or get better. I got better.
I love this show. It made me book an appointment with a nutritionist (master's degree level in my country) after I realized I was half of the superskinnies. I was at a really low weight back then and spent entire days on one or 2 bananas and random small snacks cause I didn't wanna reach for convenient unhealthy foods when I was super busy. I don't think there is any issues with the show, the nutrition facts they give are real. And I love british shows are so much cut to the chase. I didn't see any of the superskinnies and I think I wanna look like them, it was exactly the opposite and it worked.
@@TetiH I’m so glad you were able to take those steps to get more healthy! I had a similar revelation watching the show. And I agree the pacing of British shows is much better than North American stuff lol
I understand! Thank you for sharing your experience, I'm glad it was helpful for you. I just don't think the way many issues were dealt with was evidence based or helpful
I'm sorry, but your review doesn't sound like you've watched the show Abby. I don't understand why you're saying the show isn't helpful or evidence based. Dr Christian always highlights the health risks of the people's diets, and in the later series they do tune into past traumas linked to their bad habits. Yes it's shocking to see each participants terrible diet, but that was their actual diet, and I find it strange how you think the show shouldn't have disclosed the truth of what they've been eating. The participants certainly expressed how it had helped them at the end of each episode. At the end of the day it's an (older) entertainment tv show, not a documentary so of course it's going to have the shock elements and extra side 'bits' about the nation's bums etc. Definitely didn't trigger or offend me, I found it gave a good perspective
Here is how I watch the show:
2 people with eating disorders check in and swap meals, which shows the "superskinny" that they could be taking a lot better care of themselves, opens up the door as to why they have no appetite (smoking, caffine addiction, ect), and revitalizes their love for food by eating such rich meals (or reminding them even though they don't like the "supersized" meal types, that they can eat a lot more of what they Do like )
The "supersize" look across the table as well at the underweight person and the food that weighs the same as the person in some cases, and usually takes up to want to feed them, wants them to take better care when faced with such small meals like. Oatmeal. Canned corn. Or just. Water. So now the "supersize" sees they are eating too much and putting themselves at risk, and want to help the other person be better, its a very give and take show when I watch, granted, I skip all the medical scare tactics (im hypochondriac enough) but the other thing they don't show is the meal plan the doctor gives them at the end to suggest better ways to eat, and I love that they don't come back with Impossible changes like TBL forces, its 1 or 2 stones difference for the "superskinny" and "supersize" alike, and sometimes you cant even 'see' the weight change, so its more about the health than appearance as well
It actually made both parties realize how they treated themselves, the “super size” could see how someone else ate their food and really struggled with it, the “super skinny” saw how they underfed themselves when someone ate what they ate in a day, a lot of eyes were opened and almost all of them made a recovery and live a healthy life with a healthy diet
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When you said “I have to drive home” and I realized you weren’t in your kitchen... 🤯
It's my studio kitchen!
Yeah that broke my heart a bit ngl
I actually liked this show. I think it helps people put into perspective that not just thin people have eating issues and that we can all work together to be healthy.
I understand, but how it dealt with it was not evidence based or helpful
Agree and also it does cover the health aspects of being overweight and underweight which is educational, I think this review was very biased and anything that could of balanced it was ignored
@@AbbeysKitchen you keep replying the same thing to everyone that is positive about the show. If they say it was helpful why do you respond it is not helpful?
@@helencrowley4821 You're confusing anecdotes with something being long term healthy for people in general. This show was toxic. It literally told EVERY overweight person that they were "comfort eating" and simply needed to have willpower to fix it. That's just not the case and that's very harmful to those of us who are overweight for reasons other than caloric intake and suffering disordered eating because of BS like these shows.
@@tessalynn3448 The show is biased af.
The UK also had this show called "Secret Eaters." After watching this, I am EXTREMELY curious on what you would have to say about that show! 🙃
Abbey, I have been named and shamed about my weight by health care professionals all my life. Remember that the participates signed up to be .on the show. I found the doctor on this show to be 100s times more respectful than doctors and nurses and dietitians I have encountered. Gillian is a train wreck and they lost her after the first seasons. I really don’t get that you would think that parents don’t have a responsibility to feed their children well. Parents are the ones buying the food in the house and doing the cooking.
I understand, and appreciate you sharing your perspective. I just don't think that many of the issues on the show were handled in a helpful/evidence based manner
Abbey Sharp 🤔 the way you went after nuttyfoodfitness wasn’t handled in a helpful or evidence based manner either 🙄. You should really practice what you preach. You haven’t been the kindest person to a lot of people when you look at their “what I eat in a day”. At least this doctor treats the patients with empathy and the patients signed up to the show because they knew they needed help .
@@AS-ur5gl thank you!
@@AbbeysKitchen why even respond to comments if you're just going to copy paste a reply?
@@AS-ur5gl god bless you 👼👼
I have to admit to loving almost all weight-related/weight loss shows from the UK, including this one.
The Big Ward (a New Zealand show) is good too! Similar to Weight Loss Ward, the UK one.
I still love this show. I couldn't bear to sit through this whole video, so I'd love to know if there's anything *actually* problematic with the show (aside from some people getting triggered and being overly sensitive which are *personal* problems not problems with the show).
My favorite part of the show is how they fly out the "super-sizers" to America to see how they're going to end up if they don't stop, because the fattest people live in America 🤣 It's really not funny, but in a fucked up kind of way, that America is so fat that fat people from other countries come here to find even bigger people to hopefully shock them into changing.
In Europe it’s normal to be insensitive about things like that, we are not as gentle and sensitive like Americans are. We actually love the truth and it’s normal to speak the truth. It’s hard for Americans to understand
She’s Canadian but yeah
In England, obesity related illnesses started massively over-burdening the NHS, which prompted shows like this. I mean, the Tories have been killing the NHS for years, but regardless of politics, my morbidly obese friend had free hip replacements (which were knackered due to her weight), but my mum’s just had to pay £55 to have the wax removed from her ears because the NHS no longer does it. It makes us - as a nation - view issues like smoking and obesity differently.
I'm American, and I think that Abby presents an approach that is bordering on unhelpful in its "gentleness" and "trigger-awareness" (which seems to cause her to want to say that anything is okay as long as you're happy).
That’s the media not actual people. It’s bullshit talk. More political correctness gone haywire.
I prefer matter of fact honesty. The truth hurts sometimes, and putting on kid gloves does nothing to help a person see what is really going on. I mean, be kind to all people, but also don’t sugar coat things, when a person’s life is at risk. Just my two cents.
I don't understand why "this triggers people with EDs" is a valid argument? Like, people with EDs literally look for triggering things and can find it anywhere. It's not like they'll stop triggering themselves if you take away a TV show LOL
Exactly!
Many people with EDs are trying to get better, and showing stuff like that can be damaging to someone’s progress.
@@tativizca4687 They aren't being forced to watch this show, they have to seek it out themselves. In this context, being against it because it can trigger people is dumb.
@@tativizca4687 The show has shared plenty of examples and images and research of damages caused to the body from being emaciated. The superskinnies in this show are there to gain weight and improve their health by adopting healthier eating habits and achieving balance. Seasons 3 - 5 has navigated recovery journeys of a few eating disorder sufferers.
Still don't get the message? The show portrays things that show that being emaciated is not healthy. If someone is getting triggered into starving themselves it's because they themselves don't understand the point of the show. This doesn't make the show evil or triggering.
Totally agree. They can only be 'triggered' by this if they've gone looking for it and clicked to watch it!
I see why you would think this show is “inappropriate” but I don’t think telling someone that over eating and morbid obesity is UNHEALTHY = “fatphobic”. I have family members who are in the same position as the first guy and honestly (even tho I haven’t been that size) from my own experience a shock to your system is what ppl need sometimes. You see two opposite eating extremes and they talk about balancing between both. I think it’s been a helpful show and even inspirational. It’s inspired me to have a healthier lifestyle and when they show the amount of unhealthy fat in large quantities of processed junk foods it’s been an eye opener.
I don’t think you really watched it with an open mind but again I understand where you’re coming from
I feel the same way, I tend to binge and had anorexia, it helped me then, and still helps me now, recognize just how extreme my eating habits can be and that just because it feels normal to me doesn’t mean it is.
Family expressing concern is one thing but, tv show looking for ratings (the target audience is expected to be thin people gawking) and internet comments aren't helpful.
And as Abbey explains, the advise is terrible.
I understand and appreciate you sharing your perspective. I just don't think that the issues in the show were handled in a helpful or evidence based manner
You should read this book (www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/645819/what-we-dont-talk-about-when-we-talk-about-fat-by-aubrey-gordon/) what we don't talk about when we talk about fat. I think it's clear this is fatphobic regardless of whether it is the"right" thing to do.
pls review ‘secret eaters’ it’s another well know british tv show that has traumatised or inspired many of us
Another show that helped me stop with food shaming myself lol
I'll have a look at that!
I feel like secret eaters is nicer. It’s good to point out people’s unhealthy mindless eating behaviours.
I love secret eaters! I think it’s a great show. It actually helped me a lot with my disordered eating.
Secret eaters is great imo!
I used to watch this when i was younger, and i think it showed equally the issues off being obese and anorexic. the show wasnt sugar coated and i think the Dr was considerate to the people, he just didnt suger coat. and for what the narrator says its for entertainment and shock value. It showed me what a good portion was it didnt make me under eat, insta and youtube made me under eat
I understand, thank you for sharing your perspective. I just don't think that many of the issues on the show were dealt with in a helpful or evidence based manner
@@AbbeysKitchen I understand, everything should be able to be criticised. I do agree that if the overwight person meets someone morbidly obese with health problems, then the 'skinny' person should meet someone for their situation to make it fair. If that makes sense😅
@@MissCassie2001 they do in later seasons. They also had a season where they followed a support group of anorexia sufferers through their recovery
It’s suppose to be shock therapy and they don’t stay on that diet. He gives them a healthy eating plan after and he doesn’t only talk about weight. He has shown people their blood work and how bad they are doing and what can happen if they keep on that route. I love the show and I love the success stories of people who were able to keep it off.
I liked this show. It motivated me to lose about 50 lbs. Of course there are people who may be triggered, but is that the majority? Fat people aren't necessarily fragile beings, I can be told I'm fat and eat too much. If someone is calling me a bus who needs to stop stuffing cake down my face, then ok, that's mean. But showing me what I eat and stating facts about that isn't insensitive, nor is telling me their real opinions and concerns. I don't need to be coddled, because that coddling is actually what allowed me to gain the weight.
The comment section is just- yikes
It motivated me to lose about 10. I was already underweight. This show is dangerous
I agree! This show has not only educated me a lot with how being obese/overweight is affecting my body, but has also inspired me to workout more and change my eating habit. It definitely doesn’t seem like she’s watched many episodes considering she didn’t touch about how he goes over the health impacts both over eating and under eating can have on the body. I watched quite a lot of UK based health shows and UK shows in general and they're very straightforward with how they approach harder topics. Seems like she needs to do more research.
Alivia D’andrea’s latest video is so sad and yet frustrating to watch since she is being so hard on herself about her binge eating. Please do a video on it.
she has fixed her binge eating now it was from a while ago but she is showing her journey
I always felt as though she cuts stuff out too much and expects "clean eating" from herself so much and that's why she continues to break down and binge. And yet all she does is continue to promote restrictive eating to her young impressionable audience as the only solution to aesthetic issues such as weight and acne. She's stuck in a cycle and yet continues to think fully cutting out a food group is the solution.
isnt that a series? like she films her growth from it and shes only posted the first episode we gotta be patient she probably doesnt have that relationship anymore
I'll have a look
Thanks Abbey!! It is quite a difficult watch :(
I low key enjoyed the food portion tubes at the beginning of the show, it really gave the participant a visual shock as to how much/how little they were eating (although it was very wasteful) and it was clear to me as a casual viewer that *both* participants were suffering in their own way; everyone should have been offered more support and counseling ---maybe they were but it wasn't on camera. Dr. Christian always seemed like a very caring doctor towards both participants. The outrage here is a bit much, this program was first and foremost for entertainment---the adults who signed the contract with the BBC were aware of what they were doing they knew that the experiment was temporary.
Possibly. Thanks for sharing your perspective
I did like the tubes too. I don't understand how they didn't make it to Abby's video. They were the main reason to watch :')
A lot of this is just British humor. This show also addressed both sides of the aisle and how both overeating and under eating are detrimental to one’s health. They don’t coddle anyone.
I understand the concern about refeeding syndrome, but the "super-skinny" person is not actually made to eat the "super-sized" person's meals. The meals are put in front of them and they try to eat what they can, which often is just a normal meal's worth of food (which is more than they normally eat). Also, the "super-skinny" people are not the extremely low-weight anorexics who are at risk for refeeding syndrome in the first place. People at risk were probably excluded as candidates to appear on the show.
Yeah I noticed that the woman in this episode is 105 lbs, which is a pretty normal weight. I think this show just exists to gawk at the fat people they round up.
@@sarahschwartz3990 Yes, I never saw anyone on the show that was extremely underweight.
Thanks for the information
@@heidih3048 Then you must not have watched many episodes..
@@rapa2894 I have. The "skinny" contestants were slightly underweight at most.
I actually thought this show was great, I thought it brought issues like undereating into the mainstream, and, at the time, it was one of the only shows that actually stated undereating was a problematic and unhealthy as overeating.
I understand, I just thought it was important to point out that many of the issues on this show were not dealt with in a helpful or evidence based manner
The whole point is to shock the two people into seeing how disastrous their diets are, most of them do loads and gain a good amount of weight, also Gillian mckeith is absolutely terrible and was only on a few episodes...
It's wild to me that a show exists that clearly shows two people with eating disorders and then makes them SWITCH EATING DISORDERS. as if that wouldn't just do exponentially more damage.
Gillian McKeith was awful. She wasn't on any subsequent series. She had her own series but that didn't last long either. Honestly surprised no-one gave her a clip round the ear for her offensive & triggering comments. She's the same age as Nigella Lawson, who is much lovelier & looks so much better. If I'd ever seen her in the street I'd have had a hard time ignoring her nasty comments (I'm British).
@@zoecoates4677 The point of them switching foods is to watch others eating their portion sizes and to help them see how much more/ little they can eat than they already do. It kick starts the supersized individuals to see they don't need as much food as they are eating and helps decrease their appetite a bit before they go onto their diet. It kick starts the superskinny individuals to see they can eat more food than they have been eating and helps improve their appetites before they move on to their diet The doctor constantly expresses how both sides are bad and even sends the people home with healthy diet plans. Many of the people on the show sustain the diets and become happier after leaving it. The show existed for a reason and is extremely educational if you actually watch the series for yourself and take in everything Dr Christian states.
I remember this being on TV and feeling so sympathetic for the “supersize” (🤮 at that wording) people as often they were treated and spoken about so badly by the presenters and the “super skinny”. It was so dehumanising. I’ve seen a few people in the comments who were helped by the show, and that is wonderful. But over all it was an absolute trainwreck and absolutely contributed to my poor eating habits and yoyo dieting.
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I agree with a few things that you said, but disagree with most. I've seen a few episodes, and frankly, there's nothing wrong with the "scared straight" format of the show. It tells ppl the actual truth about what can happen to them if they continue to eat poorly (whether it's undereating, or overeating...and they do in fact discuss the health ramifications of undereating).
The cold hard truth is that whether or not a metabolic state is improved, maintaining an obese BMI is never healthy. It absolutely comes down to weight loss. It's doing ppl a disservice to claim otherwise.
Yes. I was frustrated with Abbey on this one. She only focused on the negative parts on the show and didn't give a fair review.
Thanks for sharing your perspective. I just think that most issues on the show were dealt with in an unhelpful and non evidence based manner
I agree! From personal experience, my dad never changed his ways until I told him I was going to be changing his diapers in bed if he didn’t change ( he was diabetic with high blood pressure over 200 systolic and we were worried about a stroke). This is the most stubborn man and he made a total turn around within one year and isn’t diabetic anymore! Sometimes people need a good scare to realize what they’re doing to themselves
I hear what you are saying but saying that "there's nothing wrong with the scared straight format" is extremely problematic and just because it seems fine on the show does not make it fine for those people IRL. I know from experience how extremely traumatic it can be to be told 'the truth', when most of the time 'the truth' is actually utter shit, because it's rooted in fatphobia. There are much better ways to approach people, especially without fatphobic language. Weight can be a side effect of deeper issues (which they do explore to some extent on the show), but now that I've just started ED recovery I know that it's not about weight, eating habits and your relationship with food are deeply rooted and fatphobia is not going to fix trauma or our obsession with weight. On this, "it comes down to weight loss" is also again problematic. The show makes it seem as though weight loss/weight gain exists in a vacuum, when actually it is about finding the healthiest and unique body for each unique person, a body that allows them to live freely (without actively controlling weight ). Absolutely no mention about how these people could improve health with behaviors whilst weight just does its own thing.
@@celestenorthfinocchi I'm focusing on the physical aspect of weight, whereas you're focusing on the psychological one. If someone can get to a point where they're no longer obsessed with food and able to live their day to day life happily at a weight that falls into the obese range, it still doesn't change the fact that there are huge health ramifications that go along with carrying that extra weight. That's what I meant when I pointed out that it does, in fact, come down to weight loss when we're talking about physical health consequences. I don't see anything problematic with that. 🤷♀️
I feel like the shit we let slide on UK TV in the 2000s was just,, wild
I was just talking about early 2000 comedy movies in America in that regard as well, so much that would not fly nowadays!
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TBH Channel 4 is still a total dumpster fire, lol.
@@bluehydrangea6837 lmao
Same in the US.
PATHOLOGIZING BASED ON BODY SIZE? GIRL they literally talk through the side effects of both being overweight and underweight?? What do you want them to do? Praise people who are overweight to avoid people like you claiming 'fat phobia'???
"Forced to swap diets?" They had a choice weather to be on the tv show or not!
I understand they were not forced, I just thought it was important to point out that many of the issues on this show were not dealt with in a helpful or evidence based manner
And they had the choice to just not eat the food. Nothing was FORCED
@@amber-9917 But they did get shamed and pressured if they didn't eat what they were given.
@@nicorizzo5402 in my perspective there was no shaming. I mean, in that case parents would shame their children when a child does not finish a plate. So I guess our ideas of shaming are different.
@@amber-9917 Parents DO shame children when they don't finish their plates.
I remember this show! Did anyone else used to also watch that show "How clean is your house?" with the two crazy British ladies???
We have that one in Canada!
I've never heard of that!
Omg Kim woodburn
I loved that show and got some great cleaning pointers! Lol
Suddenly every RUclipsr I follow has a deep love for these built bars....
And the pay check coming with it.
I think they are gross.
they are terrible
@@ebdi Lol
oh my god yes! i bought them and think they’re gross and they hurt my stomach
I wish so badly that I knew someone like you growing up. I was shamed for being too skinny as a kid & as a teen I was shamed for being too fat. Now I have an ED & really bad self image issues. You’ve helped me so much with this & my relationship with food. I wish I could thank you in person
The trip to US is ridiculous. "Not let's take you to America, where the REAL fat people are."
It's way more common to be extremely obese in the us than europe so yeah?
Guys, I know it's true. It's facts. I don't deny that. I'm just saying the whole program is traumatizing and exploitative. Yes I know, the people signed up for it, I know. Doesn't make it not toxic and triggering.
I know😂 pretty sure the UK is the second most obese country after the US. Just take them to another neighborhood lol
@@kshwi3215 we are fat but not the second fattest lmao
@@uponthebay sorry, correction. It’s the most obese country in Western Europe
omg.. in the UK we literally grew up watching this! I'm still lowkey addicted to this, and fat families... even though I know how awful it is
Same
Same but Gillian mckeith scares me lol
Fat families is truly awesome trash. I love it!
I understand!
@@cmadridk She's awful!
I enjoyed watching this show back in the day. Prefer this show over The Biggest Loser
Did she actually watch the show? How can she say professional in air quotes about a doctor who actually went to medical school for years and years when she 'only' has a nutrition degree
Doctors can definitely be unprofessional sometimes.
It's a British show, what did anyone expect?🤣 They're bluntly straightforward always lol
American culture can seem quite oversensitive about superficial things when compared to European culture. Maybe we are a little less sensitive to hurting anyones feelings and more focused on facts. The biggest loser show (super-duper over the top and ONLY focused on the results at the scale) was waaaay worse than this, when it comes to destroying the participants health.
1. The participants always have a health check before they are allowed to swap diets,
2. The Dr. in this show is an actual doctor and the show is totally in line with the facts known about nutrition at the time,
3. They only swap diets for 4-5 days. They are not overly focused on the results on the scale in the end, but are actually focused on the lifestyle change and the underlying psychological reasons for eating too much or too little.
Some later shows focuses on follow-up to see if the lifestyle change had worked. Maybe it is just not sitting well that the show uses the US as a very bad example? It must hurt a little to see ones country being presented as the fat peoples hell like that. It is quite extreme, but then again, it is an extreme problem they are trying to solve.
US lost the battle to obesity, sad but true. Food production is not regulated according to health risks and food corporations and the privatized healthcare industry are allowed to ride on the backs and earn a great living of the poor souls that get addicted to crap food.
In Europe many countries have free healthcare and I think this is why it is accepted to talk openly about health risks when continuing with an unhealthy lifestyle, it is a sort of collective, societal problem, not a perfect system, but very different from an individualized culture with more focus on personal choices and freedom.
@Jordan ikr, I mean we have naked attraction ffs 😂😂
@@mette1245 Yeah I very much agree. Also yes, the Biggest Loser is so much worse.
@@Rosa-ei4dm exactly 😅
@@mette1245 just to add to that list
4) The swapping is not about over feeding the skinner person and starving the overweight person. It gives them a window into how ridiculous some of the portion sizes are. More often than not it points out behaviour that the eaters may not have considered (one girl noticed she stopped eating when the other person finished).
5) Dr Jensen doesn't sugar coat the risks of either side. Yet he is never confrontational. He's perhaps too blunt for Americans while us Brits may find unconfrontational honesty a bit refreshing.
6) For all of Abby's declarations of evidence based science... the show came out over 15 years ago. BMIs tend to be considered inaccurate as a person who is muscular can be considered obese. Incidentally, overweight people can have healthy diets. It's a bit unfair to judge by 2021 standards.
When you use the words "forced" you make it seem that these people don't know what they're signing up for. The reason behind the show was to show both sides that what they ate was unhealthy and that they are missing vital nutrients. Both sides know what is going to happen?!
Yes we did, we watched the shows beforehand we knew and were told of what was going to happen step by step so there was no “forcing us to do things or us being forced in to things” 👍🏽
I understand, I just thought it was important to point out that many of the issues on this show were not dealt with in a helpful manner
@@AbbeysKitchen it’s a 40 minute show...it’s impossible to show everything. If you had actually come and asked someone like myself who was on the show about our experiences before making your vlog and not tried to run with just a narrative you’d understand that the show changed from what it was in season one to what it ended up being...seasons 4+ is where it became a lot less sensationalist and more about cold hard facts about health/nutrition.
gillian mckeith had a show where participants pooped in tuperwear boxes and she analysed it by sight.
Oh no 🙁
@@AbbeysKitchen yup 😶😅
what?!
I remember this!! What was it called?
You Are What You Eat!! Pleeeeeeeeaaaaase Abbey review this one day too!! xx
To say that all they cared about was size and not health is so ignorant. These people are bmi 50, or they’re severely underweight. You’re weight has to change in those situations for you to be healthy, and the show even gave them resources to make healthier eating choices
this show was one of my favourite shows. it's from an era when people didn't over analyze every word and weren't offended by everything. and as Canadians, we should be more like the brits and follow their lead. let's not follow this always offended modern day culture of 2020.....I'm fat and was never offended by this. skinny ppl can stop being offended for us now 😂 k thanks
I do think the lady was a bit harsh on the show. But fat phobia is a real thing, and I am glad that even skinny people care about it now. When she said fat phobia, and it wasn’t to mock fat people, I was so happy :)
Just like so many in the comments, this show really helped me when I was in the trenches of my eating disorder. I would watch this instead of engaging in my eating disorder and it really helped! I have probably seen every episode.
I'm glad it was helpful for you, I just thought it was important to point out that many of the issues on this show were not dealt with in a helpful or evidence based manner
@@AbbeysKitchen why did you not mention the show had a trigger warning? 🤔
Oop
Come on Abbey, you can’t judge this show by today’s standards. I know it wasn’t that long ago in time but in terms of diet culture and weight loss research it was eons ago! Yes weight and bmi are not the ONLY indicators of health, but for people at these extremes it will do a good job at least in the beginning of their health journey. You should either stick to more recent and relevant stuff to review, or come at this from a light hearted and ‘I’m glad we don’t think this anymore’ perspective.
Happy I'm not the only one thinking this! Well said.
I agree !
I understand, thank you for sharing. I just don't think that many of the issues on the show were dealt with in a helpful or evidence based manner
Yesss I literally just put the same thing, she doesn’t stress enough it last aired in 2014!
This automated reply from abbey on every comment that disagrees is irritating as hell
I'm so glad that you mentioned that people think they have to be underweight to be "sick enough" to get help...when I first reached out to get help the doctors wouldn't help me because I wasn't underweight... :(
Yh, I think you’ve kind of missed the premise of the show. As a kid who enjoys this show, I don’t agree with most of the arguments made against it. Also in the uk we have completely different tv show standards. Idk why you keep referring to him as though he is not a liable medical professional.
I understand there are cultural differences. I just thought it was important to point out that many of the issues on this show were not dealt with in a helpful or evidence based manner
Why do u keep writing the same comment plus your review was a bit over dramatic.
“This shit makes Goop look like the CDC” -Quote of the year
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Yes!! 👏🤣
I love Dr Christian Jessen! I used to always watch this show. It actually helped me and encouraged me to eat more healthily.
i think you did watch some old clips when the show was first starting out and getting attention. it definitely progressed and became more educational overtime.
I would love to hear your thoughts on the 2017 film, ‘To the bone’.
On the list
@Sabine C I only watched the trailer but it already triggerd me so bad that I resisted to watch the whole movie
Keanu was cute tho 🤧
Gillian McKeith was dropped after the first season because no one likes her. Just FYI.
Also her degree being false.
@@MollyPrewittWeasley, yeah, that too. 😉
Yeah we def knew even then that she was the worst 🤮
Oh wow! Thanks for letting me know
@@AbbeysKitchen kinda feels like you half watched one episode of season one and missed the entire point of the show. It wasn't about fat shaming it was about waking people (willing participants) up to unhealthy eating habits that were making them unhappy, and educating them on healthy ones, under OR overweight. It had more science and evidence than any other show of it's time, and spoke about specific vitamin deficiency impacts and how to include more in the diet. It also gave air time to a wide range of human bodies and normalised diversity in a pretty respectful way - either end of the spectrum, especially in later seasons where there was a segment (not Jillian lol) about eating disorders and pulling apart diet fads. While definitely problematic by today's standards, this show was (and arguably still is) far more balanced than most, and included disclaimers and helpline info etc before and afterwards. As someone who suffered from an ED this show helped me so much by readjusting my perspective and focusing on health not a number on a scale (it wasn't a final weigh in it was a 3 month check in, and it was always about how they had changed their habits and were just at the beginning of their journey). It seemed like you were looking for reasons to hate on this show and kinda missed all the positives about it? Usually I am so on board with all your vids but this one seemed over the top and excessively negative and made me feel bad for being able to enjoy this show despite its (admittedly many) flaws. hoping to see some more balanced, uplifting & positive content in future (while still calling out diet culture bs of course!!!) Just my 2 cents :)
I LOVED THIS SHOW
I know the title is potentially offensive but the show was actually so nice. I learned so much about eating disorders from this show. You have to appreciate that we are honestly GENUINELY not as sensitive as those of you over the pond - this helped so many people. We like the truth and plain language.
I understand. I just think that it was evidence based or helpful
Ummmm, why is everyone in the comments like "this show is not problematic at all"... I remember watching it as a fat child and it wasn't okay at all. I remember the segment where they'd put some snacks at a public place with a hidden camera, then shame total strangers for how much they ate, there was also that Gillian "Ban big bums" segment where she approached random women at the mall, measured their bums and got them enrolled in her extreme weightloss program while shaming them, then there was a segment with Anna, a normal sized woman who literally nobody would call fat, trying all the fad diets while talking negatively about her body... EVERY comment section of an episode of Supersize superskinny is FULL of people with anorexia coming to trigger themselves so much so that it's a running joke. Do I need to continue?
I actually enjoyed watching this show back in the day and to be honest it was a very popular show in the UK 🇬🇧😀
8:40 How on earth can it be wrong to point out the very real physical distress one man experiences as a cautionary tale to a man practicing the same destructive habits? I truly can’t get my head around that one.
It's not necessarily wrong (contrary to Abby's black-and-white approach); as long as both parties are consenting to be on the show.
@@heidih3048 consent isn't black and white either, paying someone automatically introduces the potential of coercion into the mix
@@PlaceboEllie True. But at some point we have to let go and accept an adult's consent at face value and not preemptively call "abuse/coercion" at every opportunity. If we are using your "gray" view of "consent = coercion when money is involved," we will have to assume that egg donors are being coerced, and that participants in clinical trials for new drugs are being coerced, as both groups receive money in exchange for their consent and participation. These participants are adults, and we need to give them the respect of accepting their consent. They consented to participate in something that you find distasteful, and that is their choice.
@@heidih3048 haha yeah I think it's definitely grey, I mean in my country egg donors aren't allowed to accept money and in clinical trials there is an extensive informed consent process and again, I don't think money exchanges hands in most cases.
@@PlaceboEllie Oh, interesting. In the US, egg donors are paid several thousand dollars (I assume it is because the procedure is painful). And drug trials and other experimental trials tend to pay a few hundred dollars (I assume that it is to compensate for the inconvenience of participating in the trial).
I do agree that consent is a gray area and difficult to judge.
You totally missed the point of the show. It was a show that showed that both extremes were unhealthy. And showed the participants that they will suffer from a multitude of problems.
Over-dramatic much? I can’t muster the energy to find outrage over this show.
She is really reaching with this one.
I used to love watching this show 😅 Since middle school: nutrition, food habits, and weight seemed interesting to me. I liked seeing what each of the participants would eat (like a "what I eat in a day" video type of way). Also, the Brits are quite ruthless with their jokes, so that was entertaining as a 14 yr old
I loved this show. Watched every single episode. I get it’s a bit direct but I didn’t think it was a bad show.
I agree! They did discuss the negative health affects of specific diets/foods on this show. I felt like Abbey didn’t really talk about that, and she said that this show only focused on BMI, which is not true.
Yes! It had a good mix between education, debunking pseudoscience and showing people with unhealthy habits how their eating was affecting them. I liked that they focused equally on both ends of the spectrum. As an underweight teenager, this show helped me.
Maybe it helps that we watched all the shows, not just one out of context?
@@Cal-c-u-later having said that, I don’t have issues with food. I could imagine if you have an over or under eating issue this could be triggering.
I watched all of it too. Maybe its a cultural thing that people in the UK didn't seem to have much of a problem with it. I watched all of embarrassing bodies too!😀
I have to agree, I don't think this show is damaging for most people, sure for some with specific disorders it might be, I accept that, but it was not all that bad as you'd think if you only watched Abbey's video (and I fully respect and support Abbey). To me as someone who never struggled with weight and EDs, it really opened my eyes to how other people may feel around food and I think it made me feel LESS judgemental as it was obvious that they are not "just lazy" or whatever, that there are many issues behind these extreme eating patterns. Absolutely agree that contrasting extreme had the purpose of showing that you should strive to be in the middle rather than either extremely restricting or binging. The bum thing is cringe for sure but I think that was simply the British non-PC humour of the time.
But it’s such an addicting show! I literally cannot stop!
I’ve binge watched the whole series about a month ago 😅
The first season might have been a little triggering but supersize vs super skinny improved throughout the years just watch season 6. They just want them to see what might happen if they continue how they eat!
The problem is most folk with an ED know already what will happen if they continue, it's annual health issue
If you want to roast Gillian Mckeith even more, she had her own weight loss show called “Eat yourself sexy” 😂
Yeah THAT show was absolutely insane
@@elishaeanes2442 Yeah when she goes through their fridges and shames them for what they eat which is often alot of normal food and then throw it all away. That show made me really mad when i watched it
I'll have a look at that
During the whole duration of the show they also included the progress of recovering anorexics learning and practicing healthy eating habits.
Abby, why are all your responses to people criticizing your analysis just copy and paste responses? You’re thanking them for their feedback but it doesn’t seem genuine when all the answers are the same. You say thanks but basically say you’re still right lol.
Can’t cater to everyone’s criticism so instead she is being polite and thanking them for their feedback and will apply changes as necessary.
I've wondered if it's even her doing the canned responses after seeing "her" say that Ilona/Chikara Transformations is "On the list!" and then seeing her say she's never heard of the lady and isn't doing a video on her lol
@@paolacevallos9106 It's the same feedback she always gets, though. Her cherry-picking isn't new and she isn't changing it. Her claiming to do better is just dismissing the complaints of people who actually watch the stuff she's talking about.
She didn't even say that the show came with a trigger warning... she actually doesn't care to give a full review and her copy and paste comment proves that 🙄
The show does not say that losing weight is the biggest sign of success like Abbey mentioned. It is about developing proper eating habits and adding variety into the diet. That being said, while losing/gaining weight isn't the main part of the show, it is a big chunk of it. But you have to realize that these people (especially the super skinnies) are largely at risk. It is often the case that if the super skinny lost any more weight they would have organ failure. If the super sizer gained any more weight they are more likely to develop one of the several risk factors associated with obesity. Another thing I will say is that these people signed up for the show!! They knew what it would be like and always reported that it was a wake up call for them. Also, why are scare tactics not acceptable? They're certainly accepted when it comes to smoking. I do agree that the show should've shown what types of meals they start eating in order to change their health.