If my body is going to disrespect me with incapacitating menstrual cramps, then I see no problem with me disrespecting my body with the occasional Sapphic tryst.
@@deanm9652so you think forcing yourself to not be what you are is respecting your body and yourself. Stfu. If you didn't like construction work, but loved singing, but were forced to do the other thing, are you going to be happy doing what you know you love and be who you are or are you just gonna let someone tell you what to do instead and be unhappy?
Happens a lot. I think there's a passage that directly talks down evangelicalism and basically said something like "If you truly believe then believe quietly"
She talks about honouring her body and how her body is perfect without alterations. However she has ear rings (which need the body to be altered) and glasses which correct for a imperfection.
And she's not only wearing clothes, but preaches against people not covering their bodies up all the time. How can someone believe a God made us in his image and then revulse in disgust from that very image and demand you cover it up? And why don't crucifices and Jesus statues have to be covered up when not in private? Religion is weird.
@@tomitiustritus6672 Girl defined is some branch of Christianity (Baptist) which would consider statues of Jesus idolatry . Having spent time in the Baptist denomination statues and images are idolatry
It literally never occurred to me that people who are "ex-gays" might actually be bisexuals whose experience has been erased. I think that is a very valuable perspective.
@@toastedsquid Lmao I gotcha. Then it isnt much of a sacrifice is it? Also bruh come on move on to something else lmao. Watch some Jujitsu Kaisen or JoJos
I'm always curious how Bethany rationalizes having her ministry, writing books, doing tours, conferences and a podcast when she not only has a husband but also a baby. That directly contradicts their teachings on "biblical womanhood" and "gods design for women". I have two small children and am a stay at home mom and it's really hard to get any work done with a baby to care for, even a super layed back baby so she would have to have a nanny or someone else spending most of the time caring for her child so isn't that just blatant hypocrisy? Just something I wonder about
Absolutely! Hypocricy, narcissism, self-centeredness; there's a lot of things I could call it. That also lines up with the way they frame themselves when it comes to the topics of LGBTQ+ rights; women's rights (femininity); abortion and so on. It's always: "Those mean, mean leftists won't let us talk about our good cristian values! But we're gonna do it anyway!" Simultaneously playing the victim card and pretending to be the brave protestors who are gonna change things for the better, but not realizing that they just come across as toddlers throwing a tantrum because everything is just SO unfair.
It took me 3 days to get through this 28minute video, and I only have a, very active, 5 year old. How did Bethany have the time to host an hour long podcast?
As with all apologists, they talk of homosexuality as if it is a choice. If it was, after some of the relationships I've been in with women, I might have given homosexuality a chance. My son is gay and his husband has become like another son to me. If I ever experienced half the love they have for one another I would be a happy man. As for it being a new cultural phenomena I can't help but think of a famous emperor and his famed orgies which were known to mix and match people of any and every gender, identity, etc., Caligula! Bigotry and homophobia need to be emphatically eradicated!!!
"they talk of homosexuality as if it is a choice" It's puzzling me as well, it's not as if anybody could try for themselves to change their sexual orientation, and experience first hand that it's not possible. You don't decide consciously to be attracted or not to somebody else.
Well, there are some studies that suggest that orientation and identity may be a mix of biology and nurture. But who cares? Even if we could nail down that everyone chooses their own identity and orientation, that's still clouding the fact that there's nothing wrong with it. Everyone should enjoy not only all the same legal rights, but also the same respect and love as everyone else.
My bestie literally is a male who loves males and he never chose it .. he said he always felt it …. Since he was a child .. he was almost more attracted to masculine males than women.. which is how I know it’s not a choice … if someone as a child felt this way..shows how ignorant these women are
If sexuality was a choice I would choose bisexuality. Why should we concern ourselves with someone's gender if love is all about mutual respect and friendship? And yet it looks like I'm straight after all
"Share it with your friends..." Emma: I will not What do you mean? Are we not your friends? As a faceless stranger on the internet whose existence is completely unknown to you, I am upset😭
This is the first time I’ve heard someone else use the “there’s so many different religious backgrounds, and each born into it are so sure that it’s the general truth” I’ve always said this, as well! I was looking in my history book in sixth grade and there was a list of religions and I thought how is it that they each believe with their whole hearts that their religion is the right one? How is anyone to know? Very interesting.
If you don't mind a Dawkins quote: "We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further."
This is something I think about as well lol. It helps (I think) that I'm not religious, for me personally it makes it easier to think and talk about. In my opinion it's important to talk with different people about their viewpoints, their wants and needs, instead of following one religion with your whole heart. Not saying all religious people think like that, but I've met a few of those people.
It's bizzare how many folks don't see the correlation between religion and geography/proximity. If you have a family of devout Baptists in Michigan adopt a sweet little baby who was born in Yemen, that baby is almost guaranteed to live and die a Christian just like their parents. Put that exact same baby with a family of Wiccan folks in Nevada, or have them stay with their definitely Muslim birth parents overseas? Yeah, now they're almost certainly never going to be Christian. If religious beliefs of any kind were true, they wouldn't be SO limited by our family, environment and upbringing. But the vast majority of people die the same religion as their parents. No matter what people tell them about other faiths or what they're exposed to as adults. Is that not proof enough that it's truly all about what we're raised to believe?
I asked about this when I was about 12. I asked my parents how we knew Christianity was the “one true religion” when someone born in to a Hindu family is probably certain that their religion is the true religion, or people born in to Muslim families are sure their religion is the true one? And I asked how we knew our denomination of Christianity was the right one among *so* many different denominations. I was told that God blessed us by letting us be born in to families that got it right while those poor people of other religions had to struggle more and find their way to Christ. That answer never sat well with me. It seemed like one hell of a coincidence and like something all those Hindus and Muslims and every true believer of every other religion would also tell themselves.
Now I will say I am a polytheist. I have explored and felt out many different religions over the years. I practice Wicca and I believe in God. Not necessarily the Christian God, but the one who I don’t have to rely on a book a bunch of crazy people wrote thousands of years ago. But my point is, the correlation and similarities between most religions IS SO SIMILAR. It’s like we all are talking about the same feeling of spirituality and a higher being except just calling it something different. Which is also extremely interesting.
Well I wouldnt frame it like that. Because you could say "Cutting is how I respect my body. Dont tell me how to respect my body." There can be positive social constructs of how to respect your body.
@@-xphobia Perhaps so however in terms of a person's sexuality it's not the place of others to say that a certain kind of sexuality is disrespectful or harmful, especially if those views are misinformed by the willingly ignorant.
@@isaacjames379 I agree completely I was just stating that this is poor framing because there are many ways you can actually disrespect your body that need attention brought to them. Sexuality has nothing to do with disrespecting your body. Unless you have a feeder fetish, in which case you should see a therapist and not partake in a relationship that plays into that.
@@-xphobia hey! just wanted to let you know that feeder/feedee relationships are consensual and no one is pressed to do anything they don't want to. it's about celebrating someone's body, not disrespecting it. :)
I went to Catholic school for 9 years and studied the New Testament a lot. It’s the book in which Jesus questions a lot of the Old Testament beliefs that don’t make sense to him. I don’t remember him addressing homosexuality, transgender people or abortion. I do remember him telling folks to love thy neighbor (without judgment). I ended up being an atheist but still appreciate Jesus as an interesting historical figure.
Mmmm same. My local church was fairly progressive so I ended up still identifying as a Christian (specifically using old Earth/Theistic evolution, instead of anti-science creationism). Gotta say Jesus seemed super progressive for the time, especially with women - most of which were left out of the bible but can still be seen in passages where the male disciplines complain that Mary is Jesus' favourite because she's the only one that "truly understands his views" It just doesn't seem likely that Jesus would be down for the hatefulness conservative Christians are pushing
@@caseyjasey4446 I believe if the man Jesus existed, he tried his best, and sadly human society has a nasty habit of the rich and powerful twisting the words of the loved and popular to fit their agendas.
He did, but the word that meant "male lover who I am responsible for, as I would be for a wife" was changed to "servant". I'm not a Christian, but I have many friends that are progressive Christians and this mistranslation among others have been common knowledge for years. He also acknowleged the Eunichs who lived at the time, and like the Hindu Hizra in modern day India, castration was a common choice for trans women, as well as gay men who felt more comfortable having the less dominant role in a relationship.
as an agnostic bisexual who never has been a massive christian (i believed as a kid but then realized it when we (family)didn’t go to a church when we moved) , jesus seemed like a rad dude
When I was in high school in the early 90’s, no one there felt safe enough to admit being gay/trans/bi. Tv shows and movies were almost exclusively heteronormative. I am so happy to see our culture becoming more accepting towards the LGBTQ community! But to see women like this trying to shame anyone not heteronormative, they want to take us back to the fear based bigoted ideas my generation had to endure and it infuriates me. These narrow mind pseudo “intellectuals” base their teachings on the Bible, not on science. I hope someday all of society will look back at you tube shows like “girl defined” and laugh; Their whole premise denies reality and fails to celebrate all the ways in which all people of all sexual orientations are created.
Perhaps the silliest part of these people's use of the Bible is that they're trying to justify their views with a literal interpretation of an ancient, fragmentary, highly-edited text that _isn't_ written in a literal style. The Bible is largely figurative, and not literal.
That's interesting. I was in high school in the early 2000s - before Ohio put gay marriage on the ballot with the explicit intention of getting conservatives out to vote it down. I remember the phrase "that's just gay" being used derogatorily, but at the same time there was a lesbian couple in our small rural high school and no one cared. And it was an open secret that basically every boy in our high school had experimented with other boys. I guess Will and Grace had been on the air for several years by that point, but I didn't know anyone who watched it. I only learned about the show after I graduated high school. Most ppl talked about watching Friends (which I still haven't seen). I do remember that there were several episodes on Xena where women kissed each other and that's why Mom didn't approve of Dad watching the series (not that he stopped watching it - he told Mom he skipped those episodes). Although, I suspect it was actually Xena's outfit Mom had an issue with.
My transition is an act of kindness towards myself because I like myself too much to continue putting up with all of my dysphoria. No ancient book and no bigoted woman spouting uninformed nonsense online can change that. On a more positive sidenote: Love your outfit!
I am hetero flexible, but when I was a teen I was confused about what my sexual attraction to some women meant. So for some time, I identified as bisexual. I remember writing little love notes to one girl I dated for about a week and they had frogs that said "ribbit" all over them, it even became a sort of oside joke for short time. I see the frogs behind Emma's head and it just threw me back to this blast from the past. Between me, the girls I occasionally got close to, and the guys who I let have my body up until I met the man that is my husband today....the guys had, by far, the MOST disrespect for my body. I've been made to be blackout drunk, I've been handed things that were laced with substances I didn't always know about until after, potentially drugged and passed around while I couldn't move, hit and spit on... Being gay would've shown my body MORE respect than any man every did. Every girl I ever kissed, held, slept next to, or got attached to sexually has treated me with nothing but love and respect.
Same. I am Demisexual biromantic and I have dated more men than women due to a conservative family. All the men, except a very small handful, disrespected me. Sometimes they were genuinely unaware of the disrespect, due to the toxic culture that has made it difficult for men to cope with emotions healthily and express themselves as well as feel secure in their own skin. Others knowingly disrespected me. Both mind and body. But the women of my life, that I cared for, that I loved, though flawed...they NEVER disrespected my body in such ways. There was a kind of intimacy that I have never felt with a man.
it sounds like you're just bisexual, don't try to over complicate your sexuality, also, it is sad that there are a large group of men who literally have no respect for women's bodies but we're not all like that :)
@@rickydona919 I think that's wholly unfair to say considering it took me years to understand why I didn't feel the same in relationships with women as it did with men. I am not romantically attracted to women. I can be sexually attracted to women, but I do not feel the love that I feel when I am with a man, which is a romantic love. I don't need you to disregard* my sexuality because you think it sounds like something else with extra steps. *I said belittle, but I think disregard is a better suited word
My academic career would be so much easier if I could cite my source as "Eh, it's the general vibe of the bible, it's in there somewhere. Trust me bro."
I disrespect my body, its covered in scars, twice the size I would like it to be, equiped with the wrong parts from the get go and I have a gross ass patchy beard, but that all has nothing to do with my sexuality
That 'professor' isn't really making arguments, she just gives her opinions as if they were facts. That's not how life works. I'm happy I found your channel. Keep going.
I'd say that Bethany is a worse interviewer than Dave Rubin, and that is saying something. I'm a (Catholic) Christian, I'm bisexual and non-binary trans/bigender, and I found Dr. Pearcey's views to be repulsive nonsense lacking in any true foundation in the Bible or Christian Tradition.
In the end, only Christ can judge who is sinnful and who us virtuous. So any Christian judging gay people, transgender people, women who want the bodily autonomy they deserve or anyone else, views themselves to be christ-like and should not be considered Christians - so by their own standards they should be disregarded as blasphemous usurpers to God's authority
Hey Christian bi sexual here ! I’m Uk based there is a podcast you might like called my faithful ally … it’s a collection of stories from LGBTQ people who are Christians :)
Good for you! I was a lector in a Catholic church for years, but theres nothing like having a permanently disabled relative and thoroughly reading the bible to turn one off the teachings of Mr. Christ, so I fell out of it. Miss the singing, though. No good amateur choruses around me to join.
responding to nancy pearcey is always welcome in my books, as her book “finding truth” was the pseudo-intellectual dumpster fire that kept me in the faith about 6 months longer than i would have stayed otherwise
I would not even reply to these folks since they are not open for arguments and scientific inquiry. I did the mistake to discuss some of the ridiclous claims of Shapiro in one of my latest books "The Knowledge of Experience" (2021) and already have to brace myself for nonsense E-Mails...
@@danamahr3773 I think responses are important not for these people to change their mind (because they likely won't) but for those who follow this thinking to hear another viewpoint and see why it's harmful and wrong.
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This may be off topic, but this thing about hyperfocusing on your same-sex-attraction and therefore being unable to recognise that you are bi struck a chord with me. Its like a thing. I grew up in an enviroment that thought me from an extremley early age that my worth as a person would lay exclusivley within my ability to produce babies. And while my male guardian fetishizied lesbian relationships a lot, he made it very clear to me that I had to be effectivley owned by a man to be considered "a good woman". I knew I would only be accepted if I lived my life performing traditional heteronormativity. That paired with the fetishization of queer women by my father and the casual homophobia at school made me hyper-aware of my attraction to women and of course I started hating myself for it. In my head it was like I had no way of living a happy life while being attracted to women, even if I tried to hide it. So what I did was I tried to avoid any and all exposure to sex ed and sexuality as an attempt to suppress my attraction to women. And that of course didnt help me figuring out that I was in fact bi. In a way I think I believed that it wouldnt "make anything better" if I turned out to be bi, because I still wouldnt be that perfect picture of heteronormativity. It took me ten years to just acknowledge and accept that I was attracted to women and two more to be okay enough with that to just consider that I may have been attracted to men too. And then I had to work through that too. So yeah. I think it is definitely a thing to be unable to accept your bisexuality because internalized homophobia makes you hyperfocus on hiding or being ashamed of your gay attraction. Sorry for the rant :)
It's incredibly hypocritical and a self report that men fetishise gay women while simultaneously harassing them. It is insecurity and possessiveness I think at the root, being sexually fascinated at the idea while also fearing the loss of ”access". It's all of the grossest aspects of masculinity converging.
@@somethingelse4424 men who like lesbians, especially if they don't like gay men, they just tell on themselves that they see women as sexual objects for male pleasure. Because even when the point of our relationships is to not include men yet still they will insert themsleves and make it about them, even though they think being gay is "wrong" but it doesn't matter if it's for their pleasure so we're allowed or something.
listening to someone else talk about my life as a "movement" or "ism"... always a fun one. And like you said, it's very disingenuous of them to try to paint being transgender, being gay, abortion, etc... as "new/modern issues" as though these aren't literally types of people and types of health care that existed -IN THE TIME OF JESUS CHRIST-. But that's why people who have this sort of rabid conviction where they MUST feel morally superior to others always seem to need to control how much you're allowed to learn about the narrative and subject that they are professing. Because if you look too closely, all of the counterpoints to what they say are just... right there, in the very text that they try to use as a "gotcha". It's just so tiring at this point
side note: the story about 'the lesbian who converted to straight' totally had all the hallmarks of the gender roles propaganda film that the kids were forced to watch in But I'm a Cheerleader lmfao. I legitimately was getting flashbacks to that movie.
I'm male presenting and the next time a guy hits on me at a bar and I'm not interested I'm just going to tell him that homosexuality is disrespectful to your body. It's the ultimate mood killer
Jeez, this was irritating. How people can still cling to ancient dogma is utterly pathetic. But I do thank you for your great shows. Keep on!! :) BTW, moments we love from Emma: 22:00 [if looks could kill]
If god made the nameless-lesbian-anecdote-lady female, didn't he also make her... y'know... a lesbian? You could just as easily say that it's going against gods design for a lesbian to pretend to be straight lol
Ah, I see you too have been to the nameless-anecdotal-person-who-totally-validates-my-claims-I-promise-you-I'm-not-making-this-up-guys rodeo as well. I might have more respect for apologists if they didn't lie so damn much. But then, if they weren't lying, they wouldn't be apologists.
While I don’t agree with it, I’ll give you the apologetic response: there’s this whole idea that we’re built to be imperfect compared to the glory of god, so not just that, but everything about our lives is built so we fail. Theoretically it’s because “humans are sinful and prideful and bring it upon themselves” and etc. So most apologetics would say that we weren’t designed bad, but made ourselves that way.
the part where you talk about negative language really spoke to me. i cannot thank you enough for vocalizing how i feel when my relatives tell me they “love me” but don’t agree with my queerness.
Hello again Emma! Bridget, a Transgender lion from the Oklahoma City Zoo, started to grow a main in her 18th year of her life. The vets didn't know why. They did blood test and they all came back fine. She had no testosterone spike that would suggest a tumor. Sadly, she passed away of old age as the oldest lion to have ever lived in a zoo. She will be the next subject for my 2022 Transgender Shirt.
@@angelawossname really? I never found a study that said anything about her reproductive or sexual anatamy being anything other than female, or a chromazom study. I would love to see it! Can you link it?
I love this story except the very end 🥺 I wish we still had this amazing kitty on our dumpster fire of a planet!! How do we approach pronouns in this situation? 🤔 (legitimate question -- I'm always open to learning!)
@@s0lastsummer7 me too! I want to make sure that I'm as accurate as possible. I just learned that non-binary is an umbrella, and that binary falls under that. Took some very kind people on redit a few tries to get me to understand but know I got it🤣 always room for improvement.
6:02 This "collection of stories" is not only fiction; it isn't even original. Many biblical stories can be demonstrably traced to earlier, non- Judeo-Christian works, the Flood Myth being the go-to example. I don't know if I'm comfortable taking moral advice from a bunch of plagiarists...
I was just looking up Nancy Pearcey's educational credentials. She received a BA from Iowa State University and an MA in Biblical Studies from Covenant Theological Seminary. She also did non-degree studies in philosophy at the Institute for Christian Studies in Toronto and received an honorary doctorate from Cairn University in 2007. Despite her paltry credentials, though, she has been a Francis A. Schaeffer Scholar for World Journalism Institute, a Scholar for Worldview Studies at Philadelphia Biblical University, a faculty member for Rivendell Sanctuary, and scholar in residence at Houston Baptist University. She also wrote the overview for the "science" textbook Of Pandas and People, which promotes "intelligent design," despite having zero background in science education. (Obviously, the conservative Christian world doesn't exactly have rigorous standards with regard to education.) She has a master's degree in Biblical Studies and an honorary doctorate from a school no one has heard of, so her authority on matters pertaining to sexuality (and much else) is questionable at best.
it’s already horrifying that this woman is considered a “professor” but it’s even more horrifying after realizing that on amazon, her book has 5 stars and over 600 reviews
i’ve also thought about the point you made about the conversion story about ‘how many of them were hyper focused on their same sex attraction and we’re never made aware that bisexuality exists/ that they could have a fluid or nuanced sexuality.’ it also rang true for me because i thought i was a lesbian for three whole years and ignored my attraction to men because i’d internalised biphobia and convinced myself that being attracted to male presenting people was just comphet. spoiler: it wasn’t.
omg I've known I was bi for years, but I still have moments where I'm like "does my attraction to this masc person mean I'm straight?". Imposter syndrome mixed with internalized biphobia is a hell of a drug lol. I hope you're able to be more accepting of yourself now
Also luv how they say “God made me female for a reason.” Implicitly implying that God made a conscious choice about that but somehow deny that God also had intention if he made someone have an attraction to the same sex or any desire a trans person might have about transitioning. If God doesn’t make mistakes, then why should any queer person’s identity be a mistake or somehow “abominable”?
I don’t know if you’d be interested in this but I am queer-indoctrinated-evangelical-Christian that is currently deconstructing my faith. I believe much closer to what you believe but I can definitely understand the thought patterns of these kind of people. I would love to talk to you while going through a podcast like this! The questions you have about the things that seems so absurd (understandably) I really think I could help deconstruct the way these people think. Okay that’s all🧡 Fucking LOVE your content!!
Congrats on working your way out! It cannot be said enough what a monumental accomplishment this really is. I've been a card carrying atheist for years now and I still struggle with certain aspects of having grown up like that. All that to say that this is a process and it will take a long time wherever you end up. Just remember that if you're struggling there are entire communities of people out there who have been through the same situation that you can lean on. You don't need to go it alone.
I wasn’t fully deconverted from my childhood brainwashing and echo chamber until i was 35, and only admitted to myself that I’m bi two years ago at 40. It’s hard but worthwhile not to live in daily fear about not being saved “enough” to go to Heaven were i to die suddenly. This world is all we have, so we should love each other as much as possible-an accepting, supporting love, not a judgmental one that wants people to deny facts and deny large parts of themselves. 💜💚💙
Something that I’ve been thinking about when people claim that men and women are completely different or that they’re counterparts is if that were true then why do people have hormone receptors for both testosterone and estrogen Edition: not just have receptors but also produce said hormones
People don't ask, "is Christianity true?" Not because we know it's true, but because we know enough now to know it's absolutely false. So it's hilarious that this woman is surprised that people are instead asking, "why are you such a bigot?"
As a heterosexual, I’m fixing to go out and grab a double cheeseburger, followed by a couple of double shots of whiskey, all in “ungodly company”. Sometimes, you just gotta disrespect your body for the good of your soul.
This is pretty much the community I grew up in. I remember the Satanic panic when I was getting into punk, metal, and DND. There was even a bit of Satanic panic when the Harry Potter flicks came out.
They wouldn't want you to tell them how they should live, so they shouldn't tell other people how they should live their lives. It's your life not theirs.
I'd love to see a discussion between you and this professor, I think you're very well spoken but still able to verbalize things in an easily digestible way.
In order to truly respect women, and their bodies, let's only read from the book that blames women for the damnation of man, from the very beginning. (Oh, also a talking snake, a couple of magic trees, but mostly the woman.) I think I'm going to go with the women that love themselves, and each other on the issue of Respect. Kay?
Bible professor : professor :: biblical archaeologist : archaeologist :: Christian rock star : rock star In other words, your attribution of "amateurish" is spot on.
I’m a woman, I’m married to a man. I thought I was gay for most of my adolescence, it took me until the age of 28 to realise I’m Pan. I just happened to fall in love with a man. At least I never have to tell my mother because she is very bigoted, I just look like this perfectly hetro woman. Life is weird sometimes
EMMA, YOUR CHOKER IS SO ADORABLE OMG Thank you for watching and reacting to these things and responding with such tact. I'm so happy I found your channel and hope more people watch these videos because your delivery is truly unique. I personally can't stand listening to these women speak because it gets hard to even give them room to talk knowing how real the danger their words result in. However, I know as an ex-conservative person who used to think similarly (not on the topic of LGBT+ rights I've always supported that but more so on women's place in society and being "anti-feminist") these videos truly help some people see the light and understand why and how they're wrong. It's videos like this that helped me see the error in my thinking a few years ago so I thank you for putting yourself out there and standing up for something so important.
"it isn't true because it's a good roadmap. It's a good roadmap because it's true" to quote a recent, and very fun, movie "Just because that sentence is symmetrical, doesn't make it not nonsense"
That's bethany!!!! She does it in RUclips videos too except she also nods with her entire torso and is constantly just like "UH HUH!!! YEAH! MMHMMM! TOTALLY!" God dammit bethany shut up!! 😬😬😬😬 jaclyn Glenn made fun of her for it once and I could never un-see/hear it after that!
Nothing to do with this particular video but i just feel like expressing my love for you! I discovered your channel just a couple days ago and I am absolutely addicted to your videos. You do such great work in logically dissecting and commenting statements and arguments, its a true joy to listen to you and also a joy how you make this kind of content easily accessable and also, despite the topics, quite fun! Thank you! Greetings and love from a fellow german feminist! (Sorry if i made grammar and spelling mistakes and feel free to correct me, since it helps me to improve)
You have to either believe that we evolved and your god simply jumpstarted the process, or that we were designed by a god who's incompetent, which is incompatible with most religions.
So, I'm not super good with labels but I refer to this theory as the "BOB theory" (best of both worlds) it's a pretty good place to sit for everyone really. Relieves a lot of controversy and stress for hundreds of thousands of people. The problem is they're too damn stubborn to even consider it. 🤦♀️
As a gay, I feel like forcing myself into celibacy or sex with men I don't like or a pregnancy that would destroy my health would be so much more disrespectful to my body than just... doing what me and my body prefer.
Sadly, Emma the Christian community doesn't expect you to live without love and intimacy if you are LGBTQ. That would be cruel but the truth is so much worse. You are supposed to make yourself love and be intimate with the kind of person that your at birth gender assignment determines in Christian minds. Even being Asexual isn't considered acceptable. I have so many gross memories of being told that I was definitely going to have a husband and children, when I grew up and that I would definitely change my mind and be happy about it. It wasn't even just from my family or people that I knew. As a small child, I was repeatedly talked to by adults that I didn't know about this, during the socialization before and after church. It truly made me feel sick to hear these things but people wouldn't stop trying to make me think like them.
My body making weird noises, hurting for almost nothing, unable to sleep well. Ah yes a perfect and intelligently designed body that was definitely made from dust and or a mud.
I've said this before online, I went to a christian middle school and in our science class our teacher told us that two things can be true. Gods time and ours work different so evolution is true and the biblical explanation are true. Since then I never understood why Christian's cant just say "both are good."
I assume it's fear that science will ultimately discover better explanations for all of the natural phenomena that the Christian bible explains with the usual "We don't understand, so God must have done it." And so far, it's a pretty well-justified fear, considering the explanatory power of modern scientific methodology. I suspect that hardcore Christians are afraid that if people develop a scientific understanding of the world, they won't need God so much. And of course you're right that religion does not explicitly preclude science. There are plenty of scientists of faith, but there are generally more non-believers among the highly educated, so that could be a concern for Evangelicals as well.
Merely working differently isn't enough to get you to "both are good". You'd need to show how god's time and ours work differently and how this seeming incongruity validates both claims. Otherwise those christians would say that you're making stuff up about god and call you a blasphemer.
I'm bi, and I went to a Christian school until I went to college. Whenever I felt attracted to girls, I would feel so ashamed that I would shove my feelings down and try to fixate on an acceptable crush, so I think your idea about Christian bi-erasure holds water.
As a trans woman, hearing stuff like "you should learn to love your body the way it is" is absolute vile. It's like saying "we're going to torture you but you trick yourself into liking it"
Bethany always talks at a million miles an hour, and as if she's trying to smile through her speech and it sounds like the kind of fake used to cover up anxiety sometimes....it's the way I talk when I'm expecting that I'm going to be interupted or spoken over and then yelled at or "reminded" how irrelevent my opinion is at any moment. I feel so sad for her.
What is it with Evangelical Christians and homosexuality? When I was young and daft church goer, I was told by someone that I had a spirit of homosexuality and she wanted to ‘cast it out of me.’ When I said I have never been sexually attracted to men in my life she continued going on with her self. Needless to say I don’t go to church anymore!
I’ll never get over how these women discard Biblical passages that they don’t want to follow, then force us all to adhere to the verses that they’ve decided matter.
I suspect that every time a man imposes his will upon a female body, that is the moment that its possible for the disrespecting to come creeping in, and not a moment before. Despite never regretting having my daughter, childbirth and child raising is awful to our bodies, more so than just about anything we could do to ourselves. It does not care for our comfort, ego, or dignity in any way.
Is it concerning that nothing, anyone in this video or the rest of the internet says about these important and delicate topics, really triggers me? I feel wrong sometimes.
I literally was thinking yesterday that I would love to know who gets to location scout for car commercials - they always have the most lush beautiful nature scenes
I wonder what these “godly women” would think of my aroace self. Would they hold me up as a holy example of what a single person should be? Or would they say I am disrespecting my body because I didn’t find a husband and get pregnant?
Probably the second, because to them it is all bout having babies in the name of their god. Plus, there is the fact that some people seem to forget and it is that it is not the homosexual part that christians consider wrong, is the sex, because to them, any sexual activity that does not generate life is sinful. And it goes for straights too! So, even if you are married you should only have sex when you want to make a baby, otherwise you should not. And obviously, same sex couples cannot make babies, so that's the real reason it is considered wrong. I hope that i made myself clear and i mean no offence.
wtf thats so badly put xD Why am i like this xD sorry Emma, leave whatever you want wherever you want in your room. This is content i am consuming at large scale for free, sorry for sounding so entitled
If my body is going to disrespect me with incapacitating menstrual cramps, then I see no problem with me disrespecting my body with the occasional Sapphic tryst.
Beautifully put 🤣
SAPPHIC TRYST my god that is beautiful
My body started this fight and I'm gonna finish it
Brilliant 🤩
Yah, the “designer”should address this issue, mayhaps by making ovulation a voluntary conscious act. You should file a formal complaint
Being gay doesn't disrespect my body. Forcing myself to be straight would.
Amen🙏
Keep telling yourself that.
True be happy and love yourself
@@deanm9652 Aww, buddy. You're so supportive. :) I'm sure they will, because it's true.
@@deanm9652so you think forcing yourself to not be what you are is respecting your body and yourself. Stfu.
If you didn't like construction work, but loved singing, but were forced to do the other thing, are you going to be happy doing what you know you love and be who you are or are you just gonna let someone tell you what to do instead and be unhappy?
Oh, look. Christians casting stones of judgment in direct contradiction to Christ's teaching.
Indeed :)
Christ is a fictional character
Happens a lot. I think there's a passage that directly talks down evangelicalism and basically said something like "If you truly believe then believe quietly"
lol its so funny how the gospel barely fits in with the rest of the Biblical narrative
@@pmtoner9852 Jesus was an actual person though. He was a rabbi, not the son of God, but he was a person.
She talks about honouring her body and how her body is perfect without alterations. However she has ear rings (which need the body to be altered) and glasses which correct for a imperfection.
And wearing make-up. She is over-painting god's work, isn't she?
@@sisuguillam5109 But she is wearing them in a God Pleasing Way.
@@visaman 😂 God is apparantly hussling as a part time fashion writer.
And she's not only wearing clothes, but preaches against people not covering their bodies up all the time. How can someone believe a God made us in his image and then revulse in disgust from that very image and demand you cover it up? And why don't crucifices and Jesus statues have to be covered up when not in private? Religion is weird.
@@tomitiustritus6672 Girl defined is some branch of Christianity (Baptist) which would consider statues of Jesus idolatry . Having spent time in the Baptist denomination statues and images are idolatry
It literally never occurred to me that people who are "ex-gays" might actually be bisexuals whose experience has been erased. I think that is a very valuable perspective.
I’d rather watch deathnote for the 20th time than pay to listen to a woman who calls other women females
@Filthy Weeb lol it’s a fantastic anime much preferable. I absolutely love deathnote
Lol wait what's wrong with watching Deathnote? :P unless you are talking about the Netflix movies
@@-xphobia nothing I just watch it an awful lot lol
@@toastedsquid Lmao I gotcha. Then it isnt much of a sacrifice is it? Also bruh come on move on to something else lmao. Watch some Jujitsu Kaisen or JoJos
@@-xphobia nah I’ll pass I’ll just go watch SailorMoon or Pokémon Journeys much better
I'm always curious how Bethany rationalizes having her ministry, writing books, doing tours, conferences and a podcast when she not only has a husband but also a baby. That directly contradicts their teachings on "biblical womanhood" and "gods design for women". I have two small children and am a stay at home mom and it's really hard to get any work done with a baby to care for, even a super layed back baby so she would have to have a nanny or someone else spending most of the time caring for her child so isn't that just blatant hypocrisy? Just something I wonder about
Narcissism, 🙃
Rules for thee
and none for me
Otherwise known as
Hypocrisy
Money>Jesus 😛
Absolutely! Hypocricy, narcissism, self-centeredness; there's a lot of things I could call it. That also lines up with the way they frame themselves when it comes to the topics of LGBTQ+ rights; women's rights (femininity); abortion and so on. It's always: "Those mean, mean leftists won't let us talk about our good cristian values! But we're gonna do it anyway!" Simultaneously playing the victim card and pretending to be the brave protestors who are gonna change things for the better, but not realizing that they just come across as toddlers throwing a tantrum because everything is just SO unfair.
It took me 3 days to get through this 28minute video, and I only have a, very active, 5 year old. How did Bethany have the time to host an hour long podcast?
As with all apologists, they talk of homosexuality as if it is a choice. If it was, after some of the relationships I've been in with women, I might have given homosexuality a chance. My son is gay and his husband has become like another son to me. If I ever experienced half the love they have for one another I would be a happy man. As for it being a new cultural phenomena I can't help but think of a famous emperor and his famed orgies which were known to mix and match people of any and every gender, identity, etc., Caligula! Bigotry and homophobia need to be emphatically eradicated!!!
"they talk of homosexuality as if it is a choice"
It's puzzling me as well, it's not as if anybody could try for themselves to change their sexual orientation, and experience first hand that it's not possible. You don't decide consciously to be attracted or not to somebody else.
And yet they never apologise for it all 🤔🤷♂️
Well, there are some studies that suggest that orientation and identity may be a mix of biology and nurture. But who cares? Even if we could nail down that everyone chooses their own identity and orientation, that's still clouding the fact that there's nothing wrong with it. Everyone should enjoy not only all the same legal rights, but also the same respect and love as everyone else.
My bestie literally is a male who loves males and he never chose it .. he said he always felt it …. Since he was a child .. he was almost more attracted to masculine males than women.. which is how I know it’s not a choice … if someone as a child felt this way..shows how ignorant these women are
If sexuality was a choice I would choose bisexuality. Why should we concern ourselves with someone's gender if love is all about mutual respect and friendship? And yet it looks like I'm straight after all
"Share it with your friends..."
Emma: I will not
What do you mean? Are we not your friends? As a faceless stranger on the internet whose existence is completely unknown to you, I am upset😭
Damn Emma, I see how it is.
I want to thumbs up this comment but it will spoil the 69likes
This is the first time I’ve heard someone else use the “there’s so many different religious backgrounds, and each born into it are so sure that it’s the general truth” I’ve always said this, as well! I was looking in my history book in sixth grade and there was a list of religions and I thought how is it that they each believe with their whole hearts that their religion is the right one? How is anyone to know? Very interesting.
If you don't mind a Dawkins quote: "We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further."
This is something I think about as well lol. It helps (I think) that I'm not religious, for me personally it makes it easier to think and talk about. In my opinion it's important to talk with different people about their viewpoints, their wants and needs, instead of following one religion with your whole heart. Not saying all religious people think like that, but I've met a few of those people.
It's bizzare how many folks don't see the correlation between religion and geography/proximity. If you have a family of devout Baptists in Michigan adopt a sweet little baby who was born in Yemen, that baby is almost guaranteed to live and die a Christian just like their parents. Put that exact same baby with a family of Wiccan folks in Nevada, or have them stay with their definitely Muslim birth parents overseas? Yeah, now they're almost certainly never going to be Christian. If religious beliefs of any kind were true, they wouldn't be SO limited by our family, environment and upbringing. But the vast majority of people die the same religion as their parents. No matter what people tell them about other faiths or what they're exposed to as adults. Is that not proof enough that it's truly all about what we're raised to believe?
I asked about this when I was about 12. I asked my parents how we knew Christianity was the “one true religion” when someone born in to a Hindu family is probably certain that their religion is the true religion, or people born in to Muslim families are sure their religion is the true one?
And I asked how we knew our denomination of Christianity was the right one among *so* many different denominations.
I was told that God blessed us by letting us be born in to families that got it right while those poor people of other religions had to struggle more and find their way to Christ.
That answer never sat well with me. It seemed like one hell of a coincidence and like something all those Hindus and Muslims and every true believer of every other religion would also tell themselves.
Now I will say I am a polytheist. I have explored and felt out many different religions over the years. I practice Wicca and I believe in God. Not necessarily the Christian God, but the one who I don’t have to rely on a book a bunch of crazy people wrote thousands of years ago. But my point is, the correlation and similarities between most religions IS SO SIMILAR. It’s like we all are talking about the same feeling of spirituality and a higher being except just calling it something different. Which is also extremely interesting.
Ah, yes. Because OTHER people are the ones who should decide what is or is not respecting a person’s body, NOT the person themselves. Yeesh.
Well I wouldnt frame it like that. Because you could say "Cutting is how I respect my body. Dont tell me how to respect my body." There can be positive social constructs of how to respect your body.
@@-xphobia Perhaps so however in terms of a person's sexuality it's not the place of others to say that a certain kind of sexuality is disrespectful or harmful, especially if those views are misinformed by the willingly ignorant.
@@isaacjames379 I agree completely I was just stating that this is poor framing because there are many ways you can actually disrespect your body that need attention brought to them. Sexuality has nothing to do with disrespecting your body. Unless you have a feeder fetish, in which case you should see a therapist and not partake in a relationship that plays into that.
@@-xphobia I agreed with your original statement I simply added to it
@@-xphobia hey! just wanted to let you know that feeder/feedee relationships are consensual and no one is pressed to do anything they don't want to. it's about celebrating someone's body, not disrespecting it. :)
Turing is the reason we have computers. The computers GirlDefined use to make their podcast. Turing was gay.
And he was inhumanly punished for just being, after saving how many lives with his invention
I went to Catholic school for 9 years and studied the New Testament a lot. It’s the book in which Jesus questions a lot of the Old Testament beliefs that don’t make sense to him. I don’t remember him addressing homosexuality, transgender people or abortion. I do remember him telling folks to love thy neighbor (without judgment). I ended up being an atheist but still appreciate Jesus as an interesting historical figure.
Mmmm same. My local church was fairly progressive so I ended up still identifying as a Christian (specifically using old Earth/Theistic evolution, instead of anti-science creationism).
Gotta say Jesus seemed super progressive for the time, especially with women - most of which were left out of the bible but can still be seen in passages where the male disciplines complain that Mary is Jesus' favourite because she's the only one that "truly understands his views"
It just doesn't seem likely that Jesus would be down for the hatefulness conservative Christians are pushing
@@caseyjasey4446 I believe if the man Jesus existed, he tried his best, and sadly human society has a nasty habit of the rich and powerful twisting the words of the loved and popular to fit their agendas.
He did, but the word that meant "male lover who I am responsible for, as I would be for a wife" was changed to "servant". I'm not a Christian, but I have many friends that are progressive Christians and this mistranslation among others have been common knowledge for years. He also acknowleged the Eunichs who lived at the time, and like the Hindu Hizra in modern day India, castration was a common choice for trans women, as well as gay men who felt more comfortable having the less dominant role in a relationship.
I think you meant to say "Jesus as an interesting LITERARY figure." ♥
as an agnostic bisexual who never has been a massive christian (i believed as a kid but then realized it when we (family)didn’t go to a church when we moved) , jesus seemed like a rad dude
"We've just about dipped into homosexuality, and that's as far as we've gotten." As an unattractive queer person, same 😥
oh mood
When I was in high school in the early 90’s, no one there felt safe enough to admit being gay/trans/bi. Tv shows and movies were almost exclusively heteronormative. I am so happy to see our culture becoming more accepting towards the LGBTQ community! But to see women like this trying to shame anyone not heteronormative, they want to take us back to the fear based bigoted ideas my generation had to endure and it infuriates me. These narrow mind pseudo “intellectuals” base their teachings on the Bible, not on science. I hope someday all of society will look back at you tube shows like “girl defined” and laugh; Their whole premise denies reality and fails to celebrate all the ways in which all people of all sexual orientations are created.
Perhaps the silliest part of these people's use of the Bible is that they're trying to justify their views with a literal interpretation of an ancient, fragmentary, highly-edited text that _isn't_ written in a literal style. The Bible is largely figurative, and not literal.
That's interesting. I was in high school in the early 2000s - before Ohio put gay marriage on the ballot with the explicit intention of getting conservatives out to vote it down. I remember the phrase "that's just gay" being used derogatorily, but at the same time there was a lesbian couple in our small rural high school and no one cared. And it was an open secret that basically every boy in our high school had experimented with other boys.
I guess Will and Grace had been on the air for several years by that point, but I didn't know anyone who watched it. I only learned about the show after I graduated high school. Most ppl talked about watching Friends (which I still haven't seen). I do remember that there were several episodes on Xena where women kissed each other and that's why Mom didn't approve of Dad watching the series (not that he stopped watching it - he told Mom he skipped those episodes). Although, I suspect it was actually Xena's outfit Mom had an issue with.
@@jospinner1183 and at the end of the day, they still wear mixed fabrics like the bible doesn't matter.
@@OneEyeShadow Oh, they usually have all kinds of excuses as to why they can ignore all of the Leviticus rules. It's wild.
My transition is an act of kindness towards myself because I like myself too much to continue putting up with all of my dysphoria. No ancient book and no bigoted woman spouting uninformed nonsense online can change that. On a more positive sidenote: Love your outfit!
I am hetero flexible, but when I was a teen I was confused about what my sexual attraction to some women meant. So for some time, I identified as bisexual. I remember writing little love notes to one girl I dated for about a week and they had frogs that said "ribbit" all over them, it even became a sort of oside joke for short time.
I see the frogs behind Emma's head and it just threw me back to this blast from the past.
Between me, the girls I occasionally got close to, and the guys who I let have my body up until I met the man that is my husband today....the guys had, by far, the MOST disrespect for my body.
I've been made to be blackout drunk, I've been handed things that were laced with substances I didn't always know about until after, potentially drugged and passed around while I couldn't move, hit and spit on...
Being gay would've shown my body MORE respect than any man every did. Every girl I ever kissed, held, slept next to, or got attached to sexually has treated me with nothing but love and respect.
Same. I am Demisexual biromantic and I have dated more men than women due to a conservative family. All the men, except a very small handful, disrespected me. Sometimes they were genuinely unaware of the disrespect, due to the toxic culture that has made it difficult for men to cope with emotions healthily and express themselves as well as feel secure in their own skin. Others knowingly disrespected me. Both mind and body. But the women of my life, that I cared for, that I loved, though flawed...they NEVER disrespected my body in such ways. There was a kind of intimacy that I have never felt with a man.
it sounds like you're just bisexual, don't try to over complicate your sexuality, also, it is sad that there are a large group of men who literally have no respect for women's bodies but we're not all like that :)
@@rickydona919 I think that's wholly unfair to say considering it took me years to understand why I didn't feel the same in relationships with women as it did with men. I am not romantically attracted to women. I can be sexually attracted to women, but I do not feel the love that I feel when I am with a man, which is a romantic love. I don't need you to disregard* my sexuality because you think it sounds like something else with extra steps.
*I said belittle, but I think disregard is a better suited word
Also, I'm very well aware that not all men are like that. I am married to one "not like that"
@@julsweaver I think you misinterpreted my comment as something that warranted an argument, there was no argument warranted nor was it needed
Its the classic egirl heart choker for me
Girl is killing it
I'm obsessed with it 😭
Her pirate shirt 🥰
the whole picture is perfect.
I normally hate chokers but I want that lol
I think this professor must teach in lecture halls that are basically massive echo chambers. Her arguments don't seem very well thought out
I get the feeling that studying Apologetics at a Baptist University would make it near impossible to avoid just falling into an echo chamber
She must've gotten a lot of oohs and hmms at her local bible study and rode that confidence straight to the top!
My academic career would be so much easier if I could cite my source as "Eh, it's the general vibe of the bible, it's in there somewhere. Trust me bro."
She explains her arguments the way I did in my PSY101 papers "This thing is true bc this thing says so". For sure a credibility red flag lmaooo.
@@EmmaThorneVideos Doubly so when talking about a Baptist university in Texas.
I disrespect my body, its covered in scars, twice the size I would like it to be, equiped with the wrong parts from the get go and I have a gross ass patchy beard, but that all has nothing to do with my sexuality
That 'professor' isn't really making arguments, she just gives her opinions as if they were facts. That's not how life works.
I'm happy I found your channel. Keep going.
Just started the video, but I’d like to say that me being queer is the last thing I do to disrespect my body.
I'd say that Bethany is a worse interviewer than Dave Rubin, and that is saying something. I'm a (Catholic) Christian, I'm bisexual and non-binary trans/bigender, and I found Dr. Pearcey's views to be repulsive nonsense lacking in any true foundation in the Bible or Christian Tradition.
*FIND her views
In the end, only Christ can judge who is sinnful and who us virtuous. So any Christian judging gay people, transgender people, women who want the bodily autonomy they deserve or anyone else, views themselves to be christ-like and should not be considered Christians - so by their own standards they should be disregarded as blasphemous usurpers to God's authority
Hey Christian bi sexual here ! I’m Uk based there is a podcast you might like called my faithful ally … it’s a collection of stories from LGBTQ people who are Christians :)
@@jbuchanan1510 oooow thanks, will give it a listen
Good for you! I was a lector in a Catholic church for years, but theres nothing like having a permanently disabled relative and thoroughly reading the bible to turn one off the teachings of Mr. Christ, so I fell out of it.
Miss the singing, though. No good amateur choruses around me to join.
responding to nancy pearcey is always welcome in my books, as her book “finding truth” was the pseudo-intellectual dumpster fire that kept me in the faith about 6 months longer than i would have stayed otherwise
I would not even reply to these folks since they are not open for arguments and scientific inquiry. I did the mistake to discuss some of the ridiclous claims of Shapiro in one of my latest books "The Knowledge of Experience" (2021) and already have to brace myself for nonsense E-Mails...
@@danamahr3773 I think responses are important not for these people to change their mind (because they likely won't) but for those who follow this thinking to hear another viewpoint and see why it's harmful and wrong.
@@NamiNuitsuki they want to live in an echo chamber.
As a Sapphic, there is nothing disrespectful about loving women. Wtf?
Lol why not just say lesbian? I'm just curious. Are you a pagan as well?
@@-xphobia saphhic just means you like women and aren't straight! It applies to nonbinary peeps too!
@@Sunnysketchster oh okay had no idea ! I am cishet and pushing 30 it's hard to keep up lmao I'm trying
@@-xphobia It's okay! Just wanted to letcha know
@@Sunnysketchster thanks for explaining 😊
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This should be pinned.
"Love thy body"
Thanks, I'm no longer trans. You fixed me. /s
I feel like getting your body to be a way you love it would be included, e.g. through transition
This whole podcast is so logically flawed because facts exist.
Happy Pride! 🏳️🌈
This may be off topic, but this thing about hyperfocusing on your same-sex-attraction and therefore being unable to recognise that you are bi struck a chord with me. Its like a thing. I grew up in an enviroment that thought me from an extremley early age that my worth as a person would lay exclusivley within my ability to produce babies. And while my male guardian fetishizied lesbian relationships a lot, he made it very clear to me that I had to be effectivley owned by a man to be considered "a good woman".
I knew I would only be accepted if I lived my life performing traditional heteronormativity. That paired with the fetishization of queer women by my father and the casual homophobia at school made me hyper-aware of my attraction to women and of course I started hating myself for it. In my head it was like I had no way of living a happy life while being attracted to women, even if I tried to hide it.
So what I did was I tried to avoid any and all exposure to sex ed and sexuality as an attempt to suppress my attraction to women. And that of course didnt help me figuring out that I was in fact bi. In a way I think I believed that it wouldnt "make anything better" if I turned out to be bi, because I still wouldnt be that perfect picture of heteronormativity.
It took me ten years to just acknowledge and accept that I was attracted to women and two more to be okay enough with that to just consider that I may have been attracted to men too. And then I had to work through that too.
So yeah. I think it is definitely a thing to be unable to accept your bisexuality because internalized homophobia makes you hyperfocus on hiding or being ashamed of your gay attraction.
Sorry for the rant :)
It's incredibly hypocritical and a self report that men fetishise gay women while simultaneously harassing them. It is insecurity and possessiveness I think at the root, being sexually fascinated at the idea while also fearing the loss of ”access". It's all of the grossest aspects of masculinity converging.
💙💜💖
@@somethingelse4424 men who like lesbians, especially if they don't like gay men, they just tell on themselves that they see women as sexual objects for male pleasure. Because even when the point of our relationships is to not include men yet still they will insert themsleves and make it about them, even though they think being gay is "wrong" but it doesn't matter if it's for their pleasure so we're allowed or something.
@@LangkeeLongkee Hehe, "insert themselves" is appropriate.
I miss the good old days of two minutes ago when I didn't know they had a podcast.
Although... knowing it exists and feeling *_ANY_* inkling of desire to listen to it are two completely different things. :-)
listening to someone else talk about my life as a "movement" or "ism"... always a fun one. And like you said, it's very disingenuous of them to try to paint being transgender, being gay, abortion, etc... as "new/modern issues" as though these aren't literally types of people and types of health care that existed -IN THE TIME OF JESUS CHRIST-. But that's why people who have this sort of rabid conviction where they MUST feel morally superior to others always seem to need to control how much you're allowed to learn about the narrative and subject that they are professing. Because if you look too closely, all of the counterpoints to what they say are just... right there, in the very text that they try to use as a "gotcha". It's just so tiring at this point
side note: the story about 'the lesbian who converted to straight' totally had all the hallmarks of the gender roles propaganda film that the kids were forced to watch in But I'm a Cheerleader lmfao. I legitimately was getting flashbacks to that movie.
I'm male presenting and the next time a guy hits on me at a bar and I'm not interested I'm just going to tell him that homosexuality is disrespectful to your body. It's the ultimate mood killer
Jeez, this was irritating. How people can still cling to ancient dogma is utterly pathetic. But I do thank you for your great shows. Keep on!! :) BTW, moments we love from Emma: 22:00 [if looks could kill]
If god made the nameless-lesbian-anecdote-lady female, didn't he also make her... y'know... a lesbian? You could just as easily say that it's going against gods design for a lesbian to pretend to be straight lol
Ah, I see you too have been to the nameless-anecdotal-person-who-totally-validates-my-claims-I-promise-you-I'm-not-making-this-up-guys rodeo as well.
I might have more respect for apologists if they didn't lie so damn much.
But then, if they weren't lying, they wouldn't be apologists.
And why did He put the joy-button the outside?
While I don’t agree with it, I’ll give you the apologetic response: there’s this whole idea that we’re built to be imperfect compared to the glory of god, so not just that, but everything about our lives is built so we fail. Theoretically it’s because “humans are sinful and prideful and bring it upon themselves” and etc. So most apologetics would say that we weren’t designed bad, but made ourselves that way.
People would just claim “it’s not god’s fault”
@@starRushi So the Apologist's explanation is essentially "because God is a dick"?
Their podcast is INSANE - how can they speak so “knowledgeably” on subjects they are so ignorant towards??
Dunning Kruger babee
Right, why don't they just call it "Shit we don't understand because none of it applies to us, but we can't mind our fucking business"? 💁🏻♀️
I love how two homophobic heterosexual German are going to explain to gay people all about our sexuality
the part where you talk about negative language really spoke to me. i cannot thank you enough for vocalizing how i feel when my relatives tell me they “love me” but don’t agree with my queerness.
What's going against my body? Hopefully, my girlfriend.
Your eye shadow is straight fire girl...
Hello again Emma!
Bridget, a Transgender lion from the Oklahoma City Zoo, started to grow a main in her 18th year of her life. The vets didn't know why. They did blood test and they all came back fine. She had no testosterone spike that would suggest a tumor. Sadly, she passed away of old age as the oldest lion to have ever lived in a zoo. She will be the next subject for my 2022 Transgender Shirt.
She was intersex, not transgender. Cats have no concept of gender.
@@angelawossname really? I never found a study that said anything about her reproductive or sexual anatamy being anything other than female, or a chromazom study. I would love to see it! Can you link it?
I love this story except the very end 🥺 I wish we still had this amazing kitty on our dumpster fire of a planet!!
How do we approach pronouns in this situation? 🤔 (legitimate question -- I'm always open to learning!)
@@s0lastsummer7 me too! I want to make sure that I'm as accurate as possible. I just learned that non-binary is an umbrella, and that binary falls under that. Took some very kind people on redit a few tries to get me to understand but know I got it🤣 always room for improvement.
OMG! Hoosier here and want to give love to all the Indiana creator out there. I will be getting a shirt from you in the near future!
6:02 This "collection of stories" is not only fiction; it isn't even original. Many biblical stories can be demonstrably traced to earlier, non- Judeo-Christian works, the Flood Myth being the go-to example.
I don't know if I'm comfortable taking moral advice from a bunch of plagiarists...
Plagiarism (spits)
Truly the worst evil.
Omg perfect eye shadow for shutting down homophobia
“People who make car adverts for the cinema!” I died.
I was just looking up Nancy Pearcey's educational credentials. She received a BA from Iowa State University and an MA in Biblical Studies from Covenant Theological Seminary. She also did non-degree studies in philosophy at the Institute for Christian Studies in Toronto and received an honorary doctorate from Cairn University in 2007.
Despite her paltry credentials, though, she has been a Francis A. Schaeffer Scholar for World Journalism Institute, a Scholar for Worldview Studies at Philadelphia Biblical University, a faculty member for Rivendell Sanctuary, and scholar in residence at Houston Baptist University. She also wrote the overview for the "science" textbook Of Pandas and People, which promotes "intelligent design," despite having zero background in science education. (Obviously, the conservative Christian world doesn't exactly have rigorous standards with regard to education.)
She has a master's degree in Biblical Studies and an honorary doctorate from a school no one has heard of, so her authority on matters pertaining to sexuality (and much else) is questionable at best.
it’s already horrifying that this woman is considered a “professor” but it’s even more horrifying after realizing that on amazon, her book has 5 stars and over 600 reviews
i’ve also thought about the point you made about the conversion story about ‘how many of them were hyper focused on their same sex attraction and we’re never made aware that bisexuality exists/ that they could have a fluid or nuanced sexuality.’ it also rang true for me because i thought i was a lesbian for three whole years and ignored my attraction to men because i’d internalised biphobia and convinced myself that being attracted to male presenting people was just comphet. spoiler: it wasn’t.
omg I've known I was bi for years, but I still have moments where I'm like "does my attraction to this masc person mean I'm straight?". Imposter syndrome mixed with internalized biphobia is a hell of a drug lol.
I hope you're able to be more accepting of yourself now
what do homosexuality and transgender have in common?
They're about love and respecting yourself.
That's it.
Also luv how they say “God made me female for a reason.” Implicitly implying that God made a conscious choice about that but somehow deny that God also had intention if he made someone have an attraction to the same sex or any desire a trans person might have about transitioning. If God doesn’t make mistakes, then why should any queer person’s identity be a mistake or somehow “abominable”?
I don’t know if you’d be interested in this but I am queer-indoctrinated-evangelical-Christian that is currently deconstructing my faith. I believe much closer to what you believe but I can definitely understand the thought patterns of these kind of people. I would love to talk to you while going through a podcast like this! The questions you have about the things that seems so absurd (understandably) I really think I could help deconstruct the way these people think.
Okay that’s all🧡
Fucking LOVE your content!!
Congrats on working your way out!
It cannot be said enough what a monumental accomplishment this really is.
I've been a card carrying atheist for years now and I still struggle with certain aspects of having grown up like that.
All that to say that this is a process and it will take a long time wherever you end up.
Just remember that if you're struggling there are entire communities of people out there who have been through the same situation that you can lean on. You don't need to go it alone.
I wasn’t fully deconverted from my childhood brainwashing and echo chamber until i was 35, and only admitted to myself that I’m bi two years ago at 40. It’s hard but worthwhile not to live in daily fear about not being saved “enough” to go to Heaven were i to die suddenly. This world is all we have, so we should love each other as much as possible-an accepting, supporting love, not a judgmental one that wants people to deny facts and deny large parts of themselves. 💜💚💙
The out of focus object in front of the camera is massively triggering my OCD, but this was a great video on an important subject.
I'm sorry! If it makes you feel better I was annoyed with myself the whole time I was editing it, but I was in a bit of a hurry this week ☹
@@EmmaThorneVideos I suppose I'll forgive the mistake this time. But I expect to see a truly ridiculous mug next time to make up for it.
“Where our Society currently is, is 1000 years beyond their current morality.” Well said!
Something that I’ve been thinking about when people claim that men and women are completely different or that they’re counterparts is if that were true then why do people have hormone receptors for both testosterone and estrogen
Edition: not just have receptors but also produce said hormones
my body is disrespecting it‘s OWN design by deciding it doesn‘t like some of my organs so... it can shut right up honestly
People don't ask, "is Christianity true?" Not because we know it's true, but because we know enough now to know it's absolutely false. So it's hilarious that this woman is surprised that people are instead asking, "why are you such a bigot?"
As a homosexual, I can think of a few ways to "disrespect" my body, (leans toward the microphone), and I'm doing all of them on a semi regular basis.
As a heterosexual, I’m fixing to go out and grab a double cheeseburger, followed by a couple of double shots of whiskey, all in “ungodly company”. Sometimes, you just gotta disrespect your body for the good of your soul.
This is pretty much the community I grew up in. I remember the Satanic panic when I was getting into punk, metal, and DND. There was even a bit of Satanic panic when the Harry Potter flicks came out.
Bravo! You do a fine job refuting the homophobic/transphobic bigotry.
They wouldn't want you to tell them how they should live, so they shouldn't tell other people how they should live their lives. It's your life not theirs.
I'd love to see a discussion between you and this professor, I think you're very well spoken but still able to verbalize things in an easily digestible way.
In order to truly respect women, and their bodies, let's only read from the book that blames women for the damnation of man, from the very beginning. (Oh, also a talking snake, a couple of magic trees, but mostly the woman.) I think I'm going to go with the women that love themselves, and each other on the issue of Respect. Kay?
Emma - "Say I'm dating a lady... what is going against my body"
Me - "Her body?"
Sorry, couldn't help myself.
Bible professor : professor :: biblical archaeologist : archaeologist :: Christian rock star : rock star
In other words, your attribution of "amateurish" is spot on.
Suddenly I feel the need to write a book for Christians about accurate gay history and call it "Let's Back Up to Homosexuality".
Let that professor have five kids of her own..She wouldn't have the time to be a Professor !
I’m a woman, I’m married to a man. I thought I was gay for most of my adolescence, it took me until the age of 28 to realise I’m Pan. I just happened to fall in love with a man. At least I never have to tell my mother because she is very bigoted, I just look like this perfectly hetro woman. Life is weird sometimes
*even if* being gay disrespected your body, who cares? Live your own life. I'll never understand why people care so much.
EMMA, YOUR CHOKER IS SO ADORABLE OMG
Thank you for watching and reacting to these things and responding with such tact. I'm so happy I found your channel and hope more people watch these videos because your delivery is truly unique. I personally can't stand listening to these women speak because it gets hard to even give them room to talk knowing how real the danger their words result in. However, I know as an ex-conservative person who used to think similarly (not on the topic of LGBT+ rights I've always supported that but more so on women's place in society and being "anti-feminist") these videos truly help some people see the light and understand why and how they're wrong. It's videos like this that helped me see the error in my thinking a few years ago so I thank you for putting yourself out there and standing up for something so important.
Oh my gosh you're killing me with that heart collar.. 🥺🥺🥺 as always phenomenal video. 💜😊
Hey Emma, very concise and on-point commentary. Chapeau from a LGBTQIA+ advocate and professional philosopher of science and medicine in Switzerland.
Im disrespecting my body for being a trans/nb lesbian? My body's disrespecting ME by giving me dysphoria tf
*pause*
"Like science"
That moment made my day
"it isn't true because it's a good roadmap. It's a good roadmap because it's true" to quote a recent, and very fun, movie "Just because that sentence is symmetrical, doesn't make it not nonsense"
I’m sorry, but whoever was doing the “Mhmmm” thing in the background has me dying 😂😂😂
That's bethany!!!! She does it in RUclips videos too except she also nods with her entire torso and is constantly just like "UH HUH!!! YEAH! MMHMMM! TOTALLY!" God dammit bethany shut up!! 😬😬😬😬 jaclyn Glenn made fun of her for it once and I could never un-see/hear it after that!
Things being offensively "in there face" seems to just be people not hiding their lives behind closed doors. Are they not in our face?
Nothing to do with this particular video but i just feel like expressing my love for you! I discovered your channel just a couple days ago and I am absolutely addicted to your videos. You do such great work in logically dissecting and commenting statements and arguments, its a true joy to listen to you and also a joy how you make this kind of content easily accessable and also, despite the topics, quite fun!
Thank you!
Greetings and love from a fellow german feminist!
(Sorry if i made grammar and spelling mistakes and feel free to correct me, since it helps me to improve)
*and happy pride month! 🏳️🌈
I love hearing the level of exasperation in your voice grow from subtle to not so subtle over time
You have to either believe that we evolved and your god simply jumpstarted the process, or that we were designed by a god who's incompetent, which is incompatible with most religions.
Or that god is a human construct to explain things we didn't understand.
@@ziploc2000 I was talking about theists, obviously magical creatures don't exist.
Idk, I'm on board with dummy god.
God's an absolute bimbo, you heard it here folks (IM LIVING FOR THIS)
So, I'm not super good with labels but I refer to this theory as the "BOB theory" (best of both worlds) it's a pretty good place to sit for everyone really. Relieves a lot of controversy and stress for hundreds of thousands of people. The problem is they're too damn stubborn to even consider it. 🤦♀️
As a gay, I feel like forcing myself into celibacy or sex with men I don't like or a pregnancy that would destroy my health would be so much more disrespectful to my body than just... doing what me and my body prefer.
Sadly, Emma the Christian community doesn't expect you to live without love and intimacy if you are LGBTQ. That would be cruel but the truth is so much worse. You are supposed to make yourself love and be intimate with the kind of person that your at birth gender assignment determines in Christian minds. Even being Asexual isn't considered acceptable. I have so many gross memories of being told that I was definitely going to have a husband and children, when I grew up and that I would definitely change my mind and be happy about it. It wasn't even just from my family or people that I knew. As a small child, I was repeatedly talked to by adults that I didn't know about this, during the socialization before and after church. It truly made me feel sick to hear these things but people wouldn't stop trying to make me think like them.
My body making weird noises, hurting for almost nothing, unable to sleep well.
Ah yes a perfect and intelligently designed body that was definitely made from dust and or a mud.
I've said this before online, I went to a christian middle school and in our science class our teacher told us that two things can be true. Gods time and ours work different so evolution is true and the biblical explanation are true. Since then I never understood why Christian's cant just say "both are good."
I assume it's fear that science will ultimately discover better explanations for all of the natural phenomena that the Christian bible explains with the usual "We don't understand, so God must have done it." And so far, it's a pretty well-justified fear, considering the explanatory power of modern scientific methodology.
I suspect that hardcore Christians are afraid that if people develop a scientific understanding of the world, they won't need God so much.
And of course you're right that religion does not explicitly preclude science. There are plenty of scientists of faith, but there are generally more non-believers among the highly educated, so that could be a concern for Evangelicals as well.
It's odd insofar as Catholic Church can. But these people are fundamentalists, not merely Christian
@@drts6955 Good point.
@@jospinner1183 hot takes!
Merely working differently isn't enough to get you to "both are good". You'd need to show how god's time and ours work differently and how this seeming incongruity validates both claims.
Otherwise those christians would say that you're making stuff up about god and call you a blasphemer.
Emma, your "Calico Jack" print is the bomb.
I'm bi, and I went to a Christian school until I went to college. Whenever I felt attracted to girls, I would feel so ashamed that I would shove my feelings down and try to fixate on an acceptable crush, so I think your idea about Christian bi-erasure holds water.
19:36 as you said "I'm getting flashbacks" the camera went out of focus and i was expecting it to fade to the flashback with the harp music and all. 😂
“All up in your face” = exist
As a trans woman, hearing stuff like "you should learn to love your body the way it is" is absolute vile. It's like saying "we're going to torture you but you trick yourself into liking it"
Bethany always talks at a million miles an hour, and as if she's trying to smile through her speech and it sounds like the kind of fake used to cover up anxiety sometimes....it's the way I talk when I'm expecting that I'm going to be interupted or spoken over and then yelled at or "reminded" how irrelevent my opinion is at any moment. I feel so sad for her.
What is it with Evangelical Christians and homosexuality? When I was young and daft church goer, I was told by someone that I had a spirit of homosexuality and she wanted to ‘cast it out of me.’ When I said I have never been sexually attracted to men in my life she continued going on with her self. Needless to say I don’t go to church anymore!
I’ll never get over how these women discard Biblical passages that they don’t want to follow, then force us all to adhere to the verses that they’ve decided matter.
I suspect that every time a man imposes his will upon a female body, that is the moment that its possible for the disrespecting to come creeping in, and not a moment before.
Despite never regretting having my daughter, childbirth and child raising is awful to our bodies, more so than just about anything we could do to ourselves. It does not care for our comfort, ego, or dignity in any way.
If I'm bisexual does it mean I simultaneously respect and disrespect my body? (°ー°〃)
I mean, if you want to, you do you! Embrace Schrödinger's Kink!
I think their brains cannot comprehend bi or ace people existing (I'm ace)
How have I only just found this channel? I'm glad I did, but I feel like it was later than it should have been.
There’s no better way to respect your body than with that choker. Max cuteness
Is it concerning that nothing, anyone in this video or the rest of the internet says about these important and delicate topics, really triggers me? I feel wrong sometimes.
Your whole Aesthetic is just so on point that it hurts
I do think, saying transgenderism is a "new issue" isn't wrong, as it was almost never seen as an issue in those cultures.
That’s a good point, but definitely not how Bethany & co. mean it
@@alisaurus4224 you are absolutly right
I literally was thinking yesterday that I would love to know who gets to location scout for car commercials - they always have the most lush beautiful nature scenes
I wonder what these “godly women” would think of my aroace self. Would they hold me up as a holy example of what a single person should be? Or would they say I am disrespecting my body because I didn’t find a husband and get pregnant?
Probably the second, because to them it is all bout having babies in the name of their god. Plus, there is the fact that some people seem to forget and it is that it is not the homosexual part that christians consider wrong, is the sex, because to them, any sexual activity that does not generate life is sinful. And it goes for straights too! So, even if you are married you should only have sex when you want to make a baby, otherwise you should not. And obviously, same sex couples cannot make babies, so that's the real reason it is considered wrong. I hope that i made myself clear and i mean no offence.
As an achillean, the only way I'm disrespecting my body is by eating way too much chocolate.
❤️❤️❤️ Love your content!!!!! Please move the thing on the front in the middle if you can!!! Thanks
wtf thats so badly put xD Why am i like this xD sorry Emma, leave whatever you want wherever you want in your room. This is content i am consuming at large scale for free, sorry for sounding so entitled
You are so right on!! I love your channel and communication style!!