Have You Questioned Your Sexuality? Lesbians vs Straight Women | Middle Ground
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00:00 Intro
00:50 It's normal for straight women to feel some attraction toward women
03:04 "Girly Girl" and "Tomboy" are problematic terms
7:02 I have been confused by my sexual orientation
12:55 I believe traditional gender roles are important
16:07 The world would be a better place without men
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I cringed when one them said “thinking logically” is one of their masculine traits. Women do have a strong sense of logic behind every decision and interaction, logic isn’t an exclusive male trait.
I think its fair to draw a distinction between the way men and women think. If people want to label that distinction as "more logical vs more emotional" then so be it. They played into stereotypes this entire episode, I'm not surprised she did the same with that question too.
I would agree with you that logic isn't a "male" trait, but if you consider masculine and feminine qualities as existing within every individual, regardless of their sex or gender, oftentimes logic is considered a masculine trait, compared to the more feminine qualities of feeling and intuition. But both exist within everybody to varying degrees
There is science that is for and against this. It's very much up for debate and I think there is some observational evidence that we collectively see throughout our world. Truth is that there are biological tendencies we both fall into that we think we have more control over than we actually do. We need both the thinkers and the emotional to function as a society.
LMAOOO, ok woman
Yeah for real! Personally honestly if I had to pick one I’d say women “think more logically” :)
Most of these women are expressing some level of fluidity. Yet bisexuality was ultimately rejected across the board. As a bisexual woman, I don’t understand why there’s still so much pressure to “pick a side”, when a legitimate middle ground does exist? And why are so many uncomfortable with that label?
Because in *their world* it doesn’t. I used to feel some kind of way and think maybe I’m just a full blown lesbian who’s scared to fully commit? But no.. there’s a middle.
I agree.
I'm also bisexual and the biphobia I feel in the world and even amongst LGBTQ people is crazy.
It is a form cultural tribalism that people are often unwilling to acknowledge.
internalized biphobia probably bc bisexuality is still v much stigmatized among both straight people and gay people
Some of these 'straight' women are definitely lying to themselves 😭
If you’re 95% hetero it just makes sense to consider yourself straight
I do not think it’s your place to be judging that. People feel what they feel, feellings are not and should not be universal, people need to understand and respect that.
@@MargaridaMmakeup Saying you have been physically, sexually or emotionally attracted to someone of the same gender definitely does not make you straight, that's called lying to yourself 😭
@@MargaridaMmakeup I mean yeah but that’s like only eating fruit but denying being fruitarian
@MargaridaM it's simple wlogic though.... How are you straight if you are sexually attracted in any capacity to the same sex?? Literally the definition of being straight is being sexually attracted to the other sex...
“I’m very attracted to women and have been with women romantically and sexually, but I’m straight.” I’m sorry what? 🙃
obviously to see if she liked women or not then she figured out after shes straight
I swear these women are vcking gay. It's the same when dudes say, "I kissed a guy, but I said no homo bro"
@@redyoshiyaythen she was NEVER straight, she's in denial because of what homophobes have done to her mind . They damaged her mindset. This is what a denial gay person would say.
@@redyoshiyayshe’s not straight she’s bi
This video needed a third group for bi!
That lady really said “I like women but I’m straight but why label myself” 💀
fr💀 honestly, it didnt seem like ANY of the women there were 100% straight
"Im attracted to women and I had a crush on one but im straight" 💀sorry but what?
she literally said “i get off to women but im straight”
@@lilygreen221 yes I eat meet but I am a vegetarian there is a reason why everyone says logic is male characteristic!
They're probably bi with a preference for men
Being a Bi woman this confuses me. If there is so much fluidity across the panel why are they sticking to the "pick a side" mentality when there genuinely is a Middle Ground here?
I feel the same way… I’ve noticed more and more that lately even people in the LGBTQ+ community invalidate being bisexual and discount it. No one wants to be bi for some reason when people on both sides clearly are.
Because they like men more than women...so if they WERE to pick a side, they would choose straight, it's not that hard to understand
because thats a label they’re the most comfortable with. Like you are comfortable labeling as bisexual. There are many lesbians who know theyre lesbian but! There are also lesbians who may be still questioning but feel more comfortable labeling as lesbians.
@@starstarstar4643 But not all bisexuals like both genders 50/50. I'm not saying thesre people's experiences aren't valid but just pointing out this.
I agree. Why can’t people just let us like who we like?
marsha said that men often think that shes a lesbian bc shes a dominant black woman....it could also do with the fact that she keeps saying that she likes girls LMAO
stop and then at 11:26 she fully admits to having relations w women....but nah its because youre dominant
Exactly she’s just in denial at this point
@@anteerat Lol
Haha yea
And that she currently dates them, takes them home and has sex with them. Her family really messed with her :(
If a woman is sexually aroused by the thoughts of another woman, she's not 'straight'. She might be bi, she might just be curious, but that's not straight.
Fax. These girls sound confused af😭
tbf fantasy/thoughts does not always equate to who u are attracted to irl! I've known lesbians who have had fantasies about fictional men for example and actually got aroused but it's more of an outlet in fiction than it is saying they are actually attracted to men.
@@torih5613 It's not just fantasies, though -- these women have gone on dates and been physical with other women. So they are absolutely not straight.
As a bisexual woman watching this I’m extremely confused lol. Trying something out to test if you like it is one thing but half of these women sound like they are straight up bisexual
Especially Marsha. I don’t want to label anyone but it’s makes me wonder if her upbringing is the reason for why she labels herself as straight.
SAME...
Seems like Sarah was the only straight women. One has sex with men and women, the other goes on dates and daydreams about women. This seemed more like questioning/in denial vs. lesbians.
Exactly
ikr!!! im not the sexuality police but some of them really are like "oh yeah women are hot and i have relationships with them. no homo tho" lmao
Cmon, as a bi girl these “straight women” are def bi with a preference for men, like going on dates and having crushes on women is not being straight at all
Yea I noticed it too as a bi myself. I have a preference for men so I don't normally take women into consideration too much, but there is definitely attraction...and these 'straight' women reminded me of myself
Though I feel that there could have been more fluidity in their sexuality, we shouldn't label them because of their past experiences and experimentation with their sexuality. Sexuality is a spectrum and if someone feels like a certain label fits them more, then that's their choice. Several lesbian women have tried dating and having sex with men too yet ultimately it failed. We should respect similar experiences with straight women.
Not your place. I’m pretty fluid myself and sexuality is more complicated than that. It’s not so much what box one fits into but rather how one want to identify and present to the world, what clicks. If nothing else I think it’s pretty cool that they picked out some fluid people, especially on the lesbian side considering the whole “gold star lesbian” sentiments historically upheld in the community :)
@@ohh4643 total nonsense these people including yourself or just lying to yourself if you are fluid your just bi
@@cory1376 they’re just words with meaning. If you smoke cigarettes but identify as a “non-smoker” that doesn’t actually make you a non smoker
I'm convinced that this episode was secretly an episode of odd one out focused on finding the 1 person that is not a closeted bisexual.
if you feel attracted to someone of your own gender, then you're not straight... it's OK to be bi, guys... it really is
Really, and I wish I were; it would double my chances of meeting my soul mate.
I mean it’s also not cool to label someone even if they give very bi vibes lol
No it is not. Men belong with women.
@@editsbybee7337so what are they then
yea some of these women confuse me.. i get finding a woman attractive but not seeing yourself being intimate with them but they are literally saying theyre sexually attracted to women but straight?
Can we get another episode with an older age group/generation of straight women and lesbians? This would be a bit more complex in that they’ve lived through a culture shift and may have more complex POV.
OMG!!! My same sentiments🙏🏽
YES!
Completely.
AGREE yes please do this!!!!!
Indeed!
As a straight woman, the straight side confused me so much?? I have never felt attracted to a woman. Do I find some women beautiful? Yes. Am I attracted to them just because of that? No. So I don't think this representation was very inclusive. I would have preferred it if there was a straight woman in the cast that had never felt attracted to women. They mostly sounded bi to me, without them wanting to actually accept that label
Thank you!!! I was really confused as well because I’ve never been attracted to women sexually. Never thought about women that way. I may see a girl walking passed me and think that they are pretty but never goes further than that. These women may identify as straight but I would’ve liked to see women that aren’t attracted to women at all.
I agree like if you’re a woman doing stuff, going on dates & being attracted to the same sex on top of the opposite gender then you’re under the bi umbrella, obviously it’s up to you what you identify as but identifying as straight yet pushing back so hard on labels when straight is a label so obviously the issue is w a lgbtq label (ie like Marsha in the video) I feel that is a result of internalized biphobia (which I dealt w as well until I came out as pan & felt more comfortable) but yeah even if you’re not romantically interested in same sex that’s why there’s labels like biromantic/bisexual cuz ultimately if you’re (romantically and/or sexually) attracted to the same sex or more than one gender you’re not straight & there’s absolutely nothing wrong w that I feel like this applies to jayme too even if you’re not romantically attracted to men but you’re sexually attracted to men too then you’re not lesbian you don’t have to “pick a side” you’re still you and beautiful 🤎
Exactly!!
Most women who say they are straight are actually not. If your turned on by women and masturbate to them then your not straight.
Yeah. An actual straight person would never have been legitimately attracted to the same gender
The denial in that room “im not gay, but i masturbate and have sex with women” like girl what 😂😂
As a bisexual woman, I feel like half the women in this video may want to explore the bisexual label for themselves. From my conversations with them, straight women don’t just “take women home” or fantasize about relationships with them. Bisexuality is a spectrum. It’s not “half gay” and “half straight” with equal parts liking men or women or otherwise, and you can be bisexual because you’re willing to entertain a committed relationship with someone with the same gender identity as yours. It doesn’t mean you have to be 50/50 liking men and women exactly the same. It’s not a pie chart. Non-binary people are included in this as well. You can have preferences for men and women but still be bisexual, because all it means is that you’re open to dating more than just the opposite sex than yours.
I hate the term “this person looks straight/lesbian/gay” etc. The amount of times people question me when I tell them I’m not straight is aggravating, just because I present femme. There’s no look for sexuality.
I agree it can be frustrating. I am straight but people have told me I look like a lesbian. I did not think wearing jeans and hoodies were part of the lesbian starter package. I am very far from being masculine but dont wear dresses like everyday.
There are certain traits or aesthetics among which most people are gay and if you see these elements you naturally start thinking "ok this person is probs gay"
The way people present themselves says a lot tbh
But why people have the urge to question someone about their sexuality is beyond me
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Just out of curiosity I've read into the topic of looking gay and came across one a while back (so there's probably more studies) but they identified certain facial features and were able to predict sexuality at a statistically significantly rate.
I understand but know that observation didn't come out of thin air. It's normal to identify based off reference based experience which could change. Also this identifiers are for them not you
i feel like a middle ground with gay men and straight men would go ENTIRELY different.
alsoo i’d LOVE to see a bisexual women and bisexual men discussion bc of the stigma surrounding both!
Dude I really want to see these as upcoming videos now
Most men aren't attracted to guys at all it is true. Maybe at some times like in the ancient world when it was acceptable to use ultra feminine men as a female substitute they could be, but that was in spaces where there were few women. Now with women so easy to come by there's no need for that anymore. Except in prison I guess, it still applies there.
You sorely mistake men. Men know how other men work and feel, and especially straight men when in a male safe space you will be surprised about just how emotionally open and vulnerable we really are. Women just never really see that side of us because we actively suppress ourselves to appear as tough and stoic.
@@Blank85289 ye facts, we are so misunderstood by the other gender it's actually ridiculous. There needs to be more empathy both ways, I feel like we need some more straight males vs straight females with questions that really dig deep
^
'3 straight women figure out theyre not straight' revised title
Better title: 7 bisexual girls talk to each other
Another interesting topic would be bi women in heterosexual relationships. I feel like they are often so invalidated in their identity by others in the community.
Yea, you imidiatelly get one of two reactions, either that you're doing it for male attention or that "you two must have a lot of threesomes".
But the worst is the feeling of ostracization from community you once loved. After I started dating my current partner, my queer friend made me feel as if on some level I betrayed the LGBTQ community. I chose heterosexuality over them, and now I can no longer identify myself with LGBT.
@@ZundelArt that is so wrong. I’m so sorry that happened to you.
yess i would love to see this!
i'd love to see that! i'm a bi woman who's been in a relationship with men and women
Lbgt community in a nutshell. If you are straight you are bi. If you are dating a guy and are bi you are straight lmao.
6:01 "I feel like I embody a lot of masculine traits like I think with logic"
I spat my drink out lmao
Thinking logically is a masculine trait, both that and thinking in abstractions. Both are related to increased testosterone which is much higher in males. In truth it is hard for someone who isn't actually male to say whether or not what they consider logical thinking is anything the same as the way men experience it, as they aren't in men's heads and can't truly understand how they think. So therefore women feeling offended by that is somewhat irrelevant as what they consider logical thinking may not be anything like what men consider logical thinking - how would they know?
A, I don't think you understand how evolution works
as a guy I had the same reaction, anyone can be logical not just guys we're literally human lmao
@@Random-sk6hm guys have adapted to more logical and strategical thinkers, and women more caring and nurturing, in the 21st century obviously both men and women can possess either trait, for example me as a male I'm mutch more caring and creative than logical and strategic. However it is more likely for males and females to posses these more of there "allocated traits"
This is the same person who said the world would be better without men 🙃🙃
i’ll just say that i absolutely ADORE that there is disabled representation here.
Forgot one of them was disabled until you mentioned it
why?
Many disabilities are invisible. That can even be true for people with physical disabilities. It seems what you must have meant was you're really happy to see wheelchair users being represented (and I agree).
@@alciozc3591 Victimhood complex. A lot of people pretend to feel special this way.
It’s the way I cried laughing when Dia said waka flocka was how she knew she was straight 😭😭😭
She just knew lmao
I was looking for this comment 🤣
So unserious of her to say but so hilarious😭😭😭
lol
She’s Niecy Nash’s daughter !!
I feel like these questions weren't really challenging enough. I wanted them to cover topics like 'is it ok when straight women kiss in clubs' or 'I have used/considered the label bisexual.' This episode is on the short side for some reason so I feel like they definitely could have covered more.
Would you date a trans person that one was the one I was waiting for
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i'm glad they didn't ask these questions, it's been done to death.
@@kalkidanhailu8563 really glad they didn't ask this, why is it only when lesbians are involved that this gets asked? When it's straight people, no one brings it up.
@@Fourtune1 yeah but it would have been an interesting question and they often ask controversial question on middle ground may be this is a bit more sensitive 🤷🏽
Lmao not a single “straight” women here
Straight woman here and I’ve never felt attracted to any women. They are probably saying that because it’s either “trendy” or they aren’t actually straight.
Same lol. When they all stepped forward I was like uh. I think y’all need to take some “am I gay” buzzfeed quizzes lol-
@@jarastar6499 ikr
True hetro females r rare
@@jasonsamuel6601 honestly depends where you live.
@@angelinamartinez4104 it is not limited to any geographical location it's a global thing
"First Black same-sex couple on the cover of Essence"
How did I not realise that was Niecy Nash's daughter, she has her whole face, so gorgeous omggg😭😭
Yo I see it now, she even kinda looks like her mama. I was shocked when she said that because that cover was beautiful.
Wow! Thank you!
This explains so much LMAO I was sitting here like "she stole neicy's face"
I immediately went to the comment section looking for this once she said that! I am so glad you said this because I kept looking at her like.... "I bet people tell her all the time that she looks like Niecy Nash" 😂
Straight side: yes I’ve liked women, I’ve dated women, I’ve slept with women, and married to a woman
Also straight side: I’m straight
Yeah I can see that, but they all should be able to define themselves, and things change. Maybe they felt like in the long run they couldn't see themselves working out with a girl?
LOL exactly my thought
Same with lesbian who said she’s sexually attracted to men
Several people on the lesbian side said the same thing about men!
True but no one gets to define other people for them. Everyone gets to determine who they are period. Doesn’t matter if it doesn’t make sense to you.
Maybe I'm not normal lol but I have never been attracted to women, not in the slightest. I could look at a female and notice she's conventionally attractive. Women are beautiful! But that doesn't mean I was ever attracted to women lol. I think some people automatically think being attracted to someone and noticing they're attractive are the same thing
If only some women were as smart as you
I guess im not normal either lol 🤷
You are normal. There are women who only like guys. Yes they can admire a women’s beauty, but they don’t have to be attracted to them. Ppl got to be careful for what they think. If you think your one way, you become. Also, no offense but there are some weak minded people who easily fall prey to ‘All straight ppl are a little gay’ saying.
You've never been to heaven, have you?
Perfectly said. I'm a straight woman and rather insecure about my appearance since I have no sex appeal whatsoever lol.
I find women on average to be much more attractive than men, but my thought process when I see an attractive or pretty woman is always centered on "I want to be/look like her". And this isn't identical to "I want to be WITH her" in any way whatsoever.
One of my best friends is straight. She NEVER experiences any sort of attraction to other women. She can only say if a girl looks attractive, but that's it.
I was rooting for Marsha to just say she was sexually fluid or bisexual. She goes on dates with women, takes them home, implied having sex with them but is on this episode as a straight woman?????? She was definitely past the experimental phase at this point and straight into denial. She literally said her decision to label herself straight was because of her Jamaican upbringing, but if she's on a popular platform that'll get thousands of views admitting to being involved with women beyond experimentation, whats the point of keeping that label? I just feel bad for the women who want to date her seriously.
she said it was PART of it. Don't twist her words.
Despite our opinions though, we need to respect her decisions. Like she said, she doesn’t owe anyone a label or explanation, so even if you want to help it’s pushing a personal boundary that she clearly set.
@@Petrichorus- If she doesn't want to be labeled, why is she identifying as a straight woman.
@@KingofKrustycrab 🤨 I’m not her, u expect me to know the answer or go against her wishes and assume things about her?
@@Petrichorus- I wasn't asking you directly it was meant to be a rhetorical question. Straight, Gay, Bi are labels, if she doesn't wanna label herself she should say that instead of choosing Gay, Straight or Bi. I just realized I @ you in the question, I didn't mean that, I just wanted to comment under the question.
I think Marsha is scared to identify as anything but straight. That’s her choice 100%, but I think she’s scared of exploring another category for herself. Like her asking about labeling and Aimee describing that it can be positive for community purposes.
idk if i would say shes scared but she is does give very much bisexual
I think she is scared too. Jamaican people are intense when it comes to these things. I doubt she will ever feel completely free and safe to say she is anything other than straight.
of course she's scared. she's from a homophobic country and more than likely has homophobic family members. jamaican people will fully disown you if they find out you are anything but straight. i think its just so ingrained in us to conform to our own society that when we are in a space with a bit more freedom, we still hold on to our traumas and our culture
@@adalheidisofadamahcaptaino18 might as well tho, she already said she's thought of woman when she masturbated! She tells on herself a few times already. Lol
No, She's not scared.
Definitely needs to be a convo had with older women who haven't "explored" their sexuality but firmly have an understanding of who they are sexually
There is no way you can make a logical decision without emotion, period. Emotion and logic are hand in hand, they aren’t separate. Logic isn’t a male thing, it’s a human thing. Emotion isn’t a female thing, it’s a human thing.
I think you can tbh, if we think about robot and AI, i think they would be able to make the “most logical” decision, one which might by human standard not ethical, but still logical
"All straight women are a little attracted to women" is so frustrating to hear as a bi woman lol. Finding another woman attractive is one thing but being actually attracted to them romantically or sexually is another, and saying all women feel that way is such a generalization and feels like bi erasure to be honest.
These women can identify however they want, it's absolutely none of my business, but saying things like that on the behalf of all women in a way that completely undermines bi/pan/polysexuality is gross.
True. It’s a gross stereotype that makes men think all women want to sleep with other women or are attracted to other women when I’d say most are not. It also probably makes some girls who don’t feel that way not feel normal.
Thank you for this comment, as a bi woman the bisexual erasure in this video felt extremely frustrating!
I do think about naturally by
I totally agree 🙏🏽 like if you’re a woman doing stuff, going on dates & being attracted to the same sex on top of the opposite gender then you’re under the bi umbrella, obviously it’s up to you what you identify as but identifying as straight yet pushing back so hard on labels when straight is a label so obviously the issue is w a lgbtq label (ie like Marsha in the video) I feel that is a result of internalized biphobia (which I dealt w as well until I came out as pan & felt more comfortable) but yeah even if you’re not romantically interested in same sex that’s why there’s labels like biromantic/bisexual cuz ultimately if you’re (romantically and/or sexually) attracted to the same sex or more than one gender you’re not straight & there’s absolutely nothing wrong w that I feel like this applies to jayme too even if you’re not romantically attracted to men but you’re sexually attracted to men too then you’re not lesbian you don’t have to “pick a side” you’re still you and beautiful 🤎
My sister isn't at all. She is a straight as they come
She told me that she has no issue with bi or lesbian woman but she is no way attracted to women..... exclusively straight women do exist. My sister is one
Video idea: bisexual women in relationships with men vs bisexual women in relationships with a women
and the same w men would be cool too
The latter would convince all the former to leave their men
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@@Raja1938 ???
@@lucasbroome1048 its a case of LGBT on LGBT division, Lesbians thinking woman will always be better off with other woman. (though I don't know if they are a lesbian, I doubt they like men that much if they think this is the case)
A lesbian woman says she tried with men but ultimately decided she was lesbian as the identity she preferred. That’s ok. But when a straight woman says she tried with woman but ultimately decided to identify as a straight woman y’all in the comments saying you are confused or accusing her of being bi ?!?!!?
EXACTLY someone has a brain in these comments
“tried and didn’t like” is so much different from “attracted to but i obviously have a male pref” tho
Because she is. Someone who knows who they are aren't going to experiment like that. It can have serious ramifications -- if she tried in the first place then it means she is not het. It means she is WILLING to go to the other side, and if she liked it and stayed there, how is still going to consider herself het?
I dont understand why they didn't bring any straight women if they wanted to have a discussion between lesbian and straight women. If you find other women sexually attractive and go on date them you are not straight 🤦♀️
Exactly it’s like their scared of being called lesbian or bi for some reason like just come to terms with it you’re not just straight
Thank you
The issue with society having a specific stereotypes for how a lesbian woman should look or act is harmful and not necessarily the terms girly or tomboy themselves
True. At least in my surroundings people have normalized that there's not a type for lesbians and gays (and almost everyone I know is straight)
exactly true, the words alone aren’t harmful, it’s all about the way in which we apply and force them upon people
This is also true with trans people and androgynous, butch or Tom boy young people
Totally agree if it's a self-identify that helps you feel comfortable in your own skin I'm all about it, if it's a label used to limit people autonomy then that where I have a problem with it.
But u can't deny the fact that most of them look the same or have the same vibes and such....
This one felt different I liked it. It didn't really feel like two different sides. It felt like a bunch of people talking about their experiences and all agreeing with each other and recognizing each other's stuff. Love it
Yes loved that
I think its because instead of having two sides of different believes it's two sides of different identities
@@Noone-dk5ih Well, said
✨women✨
Exactly
these straight women are more closeted than I am. "I had a crush on a girl, but thats as far as it went" HUH
That woman in the purple top who said " If men wouldn't provide for women and women wouldn't do household chores, how would the world work?" would get the shock of her life if she came to the Scandinavian countries. It is not uncommon at all that the woman keeps on working and the dad stays home or they alternate.
I see a lot of people saying that these women aren't really straight but I think we live in a society where it's more acceptable now to explore. All of the lesbian women mentioned having been in relationships with men before but just felt like the pieces made more sense with women. Likewise, if a straight woman has gone on a date with a woman or has even been in a relationship with one and things just didn't click, I don't see why they can't label themselves as "straight"
There’s a difference when heteronormativity has been forced on you. It takes exploration to find your true self as a lesbian
yessss this is exactly what I was thinking. NO MATTER your experience whatever label you identify as is who you are and what makes you comfortable.
@@soccerninja45292 But heteronormativity is forced on everyone, and it forces everyone to think they're expected to fit into a certain binary. Why can't straight people explore their sexuality as well? Sexuality is a spectrum.
Because by definition, they literally aren't straight. I'm tired of women thinking they can "experiment" or go through a "phase" while still being straight
@@soccerninja45292 yes but some women are just slightly attracted to women doesn't always mean that they r actually lesbians ... if they identify as straight u have to accept it
As a bisexual these straight women would have confused me even more if I saw this as a child. None of my female friends had attraction for women and I don't understand why so many people act like all women do. When people questioned if I was bi they would say all girls find other girls attractive so how could I know/be bi. When comparing attraction it's easy to see that their "attraction" to women is just consciously noticing when someone has attractive features but not being attracted to them.
I'm a straight woman and all three of them confused me tremendously, I found them to be not representative of heterosexual woman at all.
Neither I nor any other hetero woman I've discussed issues related to this topic with have ever felt romantically nor sexually attracted to other women.
There's a difference between perceiving someone as attractive (and, let's be honest, you see much more attractive women than men) and wanting to get intimate with them. Obviously, it's healthy and common to explore one's sexuality, but I can't wrap my head around why someone who masturbates to other women would consider themselves to be representative of the average heterosexual woman. There's nothing wrong with labeling oneself as bisexual with a preference for men, or with researching the split-attraction theory and identifying as a bisexual heteroromantic.
I think most of us perceive attractive women from a more envious perspective, as in thinking "Damn, I wish I would look like her" or "How could I improve my appearance taking her as an inspiration?" while looking at pictures of Adriana Lima during the peak of her career. And "I want to be (like) her" is obviously not identical to "I want to be with her".
@@emilyk1109 Saying that there are more attractive women than men as a woman proves that you're not straight. Just stop. Idk why women have a hard time admitting that they're bisexual. You women do homosexual stuff all the time, but since you want to identify as straight, you don't consider yourselves bisexual. The same rules don't apply to men.
I'm in the same situation as you, I'm straight and I have never feel something different to woman that's not friendship, I'm thinking that maybe they decided to not included heterosexual woman in the video.
As an asexual guy, I am attracted to nobody. I want to see a video about Asexual men vs heterosexual men. That would be interesting to see
@@beazrich2.017 Why? One has a future, the other does not.
I appreciate that people feel like 'all women have some attraction to women because women are beautiful' argument - but I have to say for my personal experience I have never once felt attraction TO a woman, I can notice things about women I like but it is usually in reference to myself for example "I like her hair - I would like to have that hair on myself" not "I like her hair, I'm attracted to her" if that makes sense. I think there is a distinction.
none of these people were genuinely straight by definition
'i don't wanna label myself" "i date women and sleep with them" "i'm straight" 🤨
i loved Dia! even though she's straight she had the most compassion and understanding. and i love how she just casually threw out that her mom and partner were the first Black Lesbian couple on the cover of Essence LOL. gotta love Niecy Nash and her genes!!
thats niecy nash daughter ??!!
@@bellami9605 yup 👍
@@Tina-wx5hq dope
Oh wow! I didn't even notice! Maybe I missed when she said that.
This is a misleading title, not all of the "lesbians" were actually lesbians (one of them even said shes bisexual). Calling bisexual women "lesbians" is a huge problem
It’s bi erasure and I’m not for it
I think these particular women may have said they were lesbians before they went on Julibee, but their answers are contradictory.
I don't believe this video is accurate. Ngl, the "lesbians" and "straight" women in this video are *actually bi.* Like, stop lying to the audience with inaccurate sexualities!!
Yes 😂😂
Well that’s what the video is called their fault for signing up for this episode not everything is about you
everyone was so respectful! love that they are treating each other fairly, even though they have different povs.
I loved hearing all of them talk. They all had really interesting things to say. And I love that everyone felt comfortable. And that they elaborated on being able to have a girl crush and be straight.
Some of these women are literally describing bisexuality, why people are so afraid to say that they are bi ?
I was boutta say that
Imagine this: “Some people who are bisexual are describing what it means to be pansexual . Why are people so afraid to say that they are pan?”
Does that make sense to you?
This is exactly what I mean.
@@TheNinjapancake14 no because pansexual is under the bi umbrella, bi is an umbrella term that means you like 2 or more genders, I identify as pansexual & it is a subcategory or more specific term of bisexual basically and you’re acknowledging your queerness and calling yourself straight when you’re not (most likely as a result of internalized biphobia which I dealt w as well before I came out cuz if you are romantically and/or sexually attracted to the same sex or more than one gender you’re not straight) isn’t the same
I agree like if you’re a woman doing stuff, going on dates & being attracted to the same sex on top of the opposite gender then you’re under the bi umbrella, obviously it’s up to you what you identify as but identifying as straight yet pushing back so hard on labels when straight is a label so obviously the issue is w a lgbtq label (ie like Marsha in the video) I feel that is a result of internalized biphobia (which I dealt w as well until I came out as pan & felt more comfortable) but yeah even if you’re not romantically interested in same sex that’s why there’s labels like biromantic/bisexual cuz ultimately if you’re (romantically and/or sexually) attracted to the same sex or more than one gender you’re not straight & there’s absolutely nothing wrong w that I feel like this applies to jayme too even if you’re not romantically attracted to men but you’re sexually attracted to men too then you’re not lesbian you don’t have to “pick a side” you’re still you and beautiful 🤎
As a lesbian, I was bracing myself to hate this. but it was surprisingly wholesome. only person I didn't agree with was Sarah with her inability to understand how a household would work without stereotypical gender roles.
not in a third world country
People were raised and brought up different especially in a third world country like Jamaica
Most households do not work either way.
@@Blaze72sH the term third world is a gold digging ideology Which divides people around the world based on money . What's third world "we all know that we basically live in the same world .
You agreed with the girl who thinks the world would be better if one specific group of people never existed?
More people have died historically under the rule of Queens than that under Kings.
Literally 1 minute in and.. "straight" woman: "I've actually dated 2 women because they were attractive."
Um... not judging but, I didn't know straight people go on dates with other people of the same gender??
Day or not true straight fems
You really couldn’t find actual straight women for this episode? Literally ever women here has some attraction to women.
My exact thoughts. Except for the one with a purple top. And some of the “lesbians” are still thinking they are straight… goes to show all this is just a made up thing by society. Jayme especially seemed so confuse by this. We’re all heterosexual by nature… period.
It is a little confusing because as a bi woman growing up I thought ut was normal to be attracted to women but then I asked other girls and they never felt that way so I'm confused on if these women are just confused and in denial but I don't want to label them or anything
Yeah like these women aren’t 100% straight at all.These are the gayest straight women I’ve ever seen🤦🏾😂
No honestly 💀
Same with the lesbians. The one girl says she could see herself with a guy lmaooo like what? You’re not lesbian then
I was questioning for a long time and I've decided to not identify myself. I like who I like
You are a rare person with common sense.
I am also stuck with what I am, so I deal with it.
I do not, and in fact cannot, identify as something.
Yes! 🙌🏽 people need to realize, some people don’t benefit from labels emotionally while also some do!
W
What do you tell people when they ask you?
@@BonShula He/She just said that he/she does not do self-identification, so what's there to ask about?
This was a very enlightening dialogue. Thank you 🙏
denial is a river in Egypt tf none of the "straight" woman are straight
Labels can be both freeing and suffocating. It's important to let people identify how they want as opposed to being forced into a label by someone else.
@@thotslayer9914 bruh don't you know how to read???
lets have a term 'portrayed' for an external 'labeling' to keep identity intact.
@straight males are gay That's true though, whats your point
There's a difference between what you are by definition of sexuality and what you identify as (if that's what you're saying) like this episode wasn't straight vs les. It's basically bi vs les
I've never felt more comfortable watching a Middle Ground video, especially after the first question. Their responses felt so reassuring.
truee
Agreed
mhm mhm very true
I see you everywhere I swear XD
Usually middle ground videos have me stressed ☠️
These are all just 7 lesbians
Do this video again with actual lesbians who do not find men attractive and would never be with them after discovering that they’re lesbian. And with actual straight women who don’t find women attractive. Idc what anyone says, yes sexuality can be fluid, but when you label yourself LESBIAN or STRAIGHT, you specifically like either ONLY women or ONLY men. Get over it
Absolutely it can be fluid but if you are fluid then you are not straight or gay
I agree, they definetly seem more homoflexible or bicurious and its misleading to label themselves as something else.
@@jasonsamuel6601 yup
Thank you
id love to see an episode with 3 groups, straight women, bisexual women and lesbians (and the same with men) to get a more full range of viewpoints. i know these normally have two sides but i think this would be a worthwhile exception :)
Bisexual women and "straight" women would literally fit in the same damn category.
Agree
Sounds like you've just described this video
@@HypeJutsu lol I don't even know what is the difference between them except their subjective claims
@@jasonsamuel6601 I mean the only difference is one is honest with themselves. Idk why females lie about everything just to lie about it.
Can’t wait to watch this video. You should do the same with gay men and straight men:)
I'm sure they'll :)
That definitely will NOT go as smoothly as this did lol
I predict it will be a lot more tense than this video unfortunately 👀
That’ll be interesting 😭
@@CoochSmooch you’d be suprised
Loved this entire conversation❤️ I’m so excited for how this forward thinking will impact our future generations👩❤️💋👩👨❤️💋👨
This was such a needed and beautiful conversation. I love everything about this
Are you lesbian or bi?
As a pansexual person, I do not understand why these women label themselves as attracted to only one gender while a lot of them still express fluidity. Identity is highly personal so I'm not trying to dismiss their chosen labels but it still boggles my mind that bisexual is a label they reject. To each their own, even if I don't understand it, I will respect it.
exactly my thoughts
There are several types of attraction, they may identify as sexually or romantically attracted to one, with no intention to be with another gender, but can still experience aesthetic, platonic, romantic attraction to others
The straight women may experience a type of attraction to the same gender but overall only experience major attraction to the opposite so label as straight
@isa You can choose what label you want, because contrary to the misconception that bisexual people are 50/50 attracted to men and women and therefore 'half straight half gay' we are not. Many of us bi people have preferences, and are attracted to people outside of the gender binary. I would probably describe you as a heteroromantic bisexual but you can choose whatever you want. Hope that helps :)
@isa yeah I’d agree with the other person who replied and label you as bisexual and heteroromantic (assuming you’re a girl, if you’re a guy you’d be homoromantic or if you’re non binary I’m not sure what the label would be). But of course you should identify with whatever label makes you comfortable!
Also I’m pretty sure Lady Gaga is attracted to women but only sexually as well! Not sure if that matters to you but you have something in common with a goddess :)
I agree im also pan like if you’re a woman doing stuff, going on dates & being attracted to the same sex on top of the opposite gender then you’re under the bi umbrella, obviously it’s up to you what you identify as but identifying as straight yet pushing back so hard on labels when straight is a label so obviously the issue is w a lgbtq label (ie like Marsha in the video) I feel that is a result of internalized biphobia (which I dealt w as well until I came out as pan & felt more comfortable) but yeah even if you’re not romantically interested in same sex that’s why there’s labels like biromantic/bisexual cuz ultimately if you’re (romantically and/or sexually) attracted to the same sex or more than one gender you’re not straight & there’s absolutely nothing wrong w that I feel like this applies to jayme too even if you’re not romantically attracted to men but you’re sexually attracted to men too then you’re not lesbian you don’t have to “pick a side” you’re still you and beautiful 🤎
You should do bisexuals vs biphobics as even during pride month I’m seeing biphobic content from even the lgbtq side
I don't believe that's gonna work, these videos are never racists vs poc, homophobes vs queer ppl, ableist vs disabled ppl, ect. More like bisexuals vs conservatives or something like that but it would be weirdly specific
@stanley weezy It’s not hard to find people with differing opinions willing to admit to being against lgbtq (see other jubilee videos) , straight people who are confused about bisexuality and/or Christian’s are some who could be brought into the conversation. Just a suggestion seeing as it is pride month and something not a lot of channels talk about :)
@stanley weezy fr
@@Noone-dk5ih Facts!!
@@avaboland5388 Jubilee wouldn't be willing to call ppl biphobic, homophobic, racist ect considering the way they do their best to "not pick sides 🙄"
I love these videos! I still wish they were longer though. I'm sure some of it is edited out but even 30-40 minutes and more questions and time for discussion would be so much better.
I feel like Marsha is bi but is trying to suppress her feelings because of her household and culture. She slept with girls, been on dates with girls etc but around 14:45 she says “you have to be straight in Jamaica” …
I can't help but feel that many people aren't understanding what it means to be straight and lesbian. Of course label (yourself!) however you want.
But those labels are about attraction. Questioning sexuality and experimenting doesn't automatically make someone bisexual. Even going on dates or sleeping with someone doesn't automatically mean both people are attracted to each other.
There are also different types of attraction. You can find someone incredibly attractive in am aesthetic sense. But never be attracted to them sexually/romantically/sensually. On the other hand, it's very possible to find someone sexually attractive but not romantically like one of the lesbian women stated. It's also possible to find someone romantically attractive but not sexually attractive.
It's kind of like asexuals and aromatics.
There are asexuals who engage in sex with their partner for multiple reasons. One example being that their partner is not asexual, some asexuals might have sex with their partner because they don't mind doing the action and their partners would like it.
Of course some asexuals wouldn't be ok in a relationship like that and that's valid too.
Some aromantic people who also have relationships with the structure of a romantic relationship. They can treasure people and form deep bonds with them that aren't romantic and may still have sex with their partners and be sexually attracted to them.
but some of these women literally agreed that they are attracted to women, but call themselves straight. that seems less like 'experimenting' and more like biphobia
@@amberfirexx9 attraction could have different meanings for different people
Yeah but if you can actually enjoy having sex with men you're not a lesbian. You're a bisexual woman that prefers women. This kind of behavior harms lesbians as a whole cause the term "lesbian" loses meaning and guys will keep on thinking that they still have a chance even after stating that you're a lesbian.
@@isabelateixeira3713 no it doesnt. enough with blurring the lines. if all these words have fluid meanings then they have no meanings. youre all just making it more confusing.
As a bisexual woman, I think there should be another episode with different ages and also women who don’t come across as bisexual as the ladies on the straight side did. Or I think there needs to be 3 groups - straight, bisexual, and lesbian. Furthermore, I think that this could be an interesting ranking episode based on how people are presented vs the Kinsey Scale for example.
There's no such thing as a straight woman.
@@aceblack92 that's incorrect
@@giluna8305 That's what all women say, but every time you turn around we see women kissing on each other, calling each other girl crush, baby mama, boo thang, a snack, etc. And giving each other 😍 in comments.
@@aceblack92😂😂😂 ur funny
eeeeeeeeevry woman is a lesbian at heart🎶🎶 @@aceblack92
such interesting questions and conversations! loved listening
I really liked this panel!! I thought the discussion was so wholesome! Nice group of people 🤗
lesbians vs "straight" women 😭😭
*all of the straight woman have crushes on other woman*
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i mean 💀💀💀 the "I have had a crush on a woman" and "I've been on dates with women" girlies are straight? um ...bestie i hate to break this to you but-
They're delusional
ikr... 💀 i feel like they don't wanna label themselves as bisexual or something. or think they are straight cause they haven't had sex with women.
@@ladansemakabre or ya know they are experimenting and confirmed that yes they are straight
But didn’t you hear that finding the label is a journey? You could have a crush and date the same sex when you’re 15 but then realize it wasn’t for you and go back to liking only the opposite sex.
@@inugirlz4474 100%. i mean i thought i was some weird hybrid of like 2 sexualities for a while, then i thought i was just broken for not liking anybody, and now i'm here comfortably at aromantic asexual
I feel like this was the most civil jubilee conversation
really enjoyed this episode of middle ground i think this was one of my favourites, just women speaking honestly and openly about their experiences with no men to interfere... i love it !!!
Marsha: men look at me and I'm assume I'm gay because I'm dominant
also Marsha: so I take women home and date women and men. I don't need to explain that.
to me, it seems like Marsha resents the assumption that she's queer, when she clearly is. anger is just fear with a different coat on. she shouldn't be ashamed, she should embrace it
I think some day you all should go to Jamaica. Then you'll understand why she is scared.
Her Jamaican family though. Caribbean queerphobia IS really terrifying. Yes, she should embrace and love that part of herself, but she would most likely get hat3crim3d by a family member if she does.
Edited to add: I mean she still might get attacked. Idk what difference does it make to her family and other people from a similar background whether she self identifies or not since she's openly admitting that she's currently dating women. I hope she's safe.
@@adalheidisofadamahcaptaino18 I get why anyone would be scared. Gay acceptance is new, even in progressive countries it isn't perfect. But she doesn't seem to realise that's what she's feeling.
@@adalheidisofadamahcaptaino18 so sex with women is okay but saying you’re bi isn’t?
Marsha: I'm not going to label myself just so somebody else can put me in a category.
Marsha: I am Marsha and I am straight.
Thus, Jubilee puts her in the "straight women" category.
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The one thing taught in this video.....there's no such thing as a straight woman.
Scientificly pruven
@@jasonsamuel6601 no
@@cloydxx it is why are you disagreeing with overwhelming scientific evidence
Haha these warnings were never on jubliee videos such a step back 🤣
I'm so confused. The straight women in this video clearly expressed having attraction towards women. They had crushes on women, slept with women, dated women and they still label themselves as straight and not bi. Which is valid because people can put whatever label they feel comfortable with on themselves and it's nobody's business. However, for the purpose of this video, where two opposite sides were supposed to compare their experiences, couldn't they really choose women who were actually 100% straight? I know straight women who are attracted only to men and don't even have a need to question whether they are attracted to girls. Partially my own journey in discovering my own sexuality made me realise that I might be bi, because every girl I ever asked whether they had some feelings for women always answered no, with full confidence. So for the purpose of the video, why not invite straight women who don't fall into bi spectrum? It just creates confusion. Especially among bi people, who feel like their experiences are being invalidated because apparently they have to either be straight or gay and if they're not it just means that they just haven't "picked a side" yet.
cuz for some reason ppl act like nuance doesnt exist. instead of just saying they arent straight to have to jump the 'i dont like labels' bandwagon when sexuality isnt a social constrcut. its human nature. theyre only making it a bigger deal when they deny it. like get over yourselves
You have no idea of what the word "valid" means. So, please refrain from using it until you do.
I feel like we have to normalize people not labeling themselves
@@nvm4086 Dating is different from genuine natural attraction.
There are some people that are only attracted to men but may have been bullied or have anxiety disorders that cause self-doubt which may cause them to irrationally question their sexuality, even though it’s clear what it is. It’s not as clear cut as if you question your sexuality you must be bi/gay
“I like women, I’ve been on dates with women, I’ve done what I do with women…” girl you’re literally bi ?? what is this biphobia where these people are clearly bi but refuse to accept that?
FR it made no sense to me, i’m glad other people in the comments also realised this
Exactly. Makes no sense, it's obnoxious.
Middle Ground: Closet Bisexuals vs Closeted Bisexuals.
Are you?... Assuming her gender??? Smh 🤦🏻♀️
@@jbp2264 considering she herself literally said she was a woman, no I’m not but nice try ;)
can we talk ab the fact that this is the most respectful episode of those videos? i adore them sm
One of my favorite Videos!!!!!!
But if men were to say anything along the lines of “I’m straight but find men attractive “ or “I’m straight but have thought of men while masturbating “ he’d be exiled by society
Sad but true……
He’d be exiled by other men…
Do you live somewhere in the middle east? Africa?
not by women, men created a society and system that brings down men with any feminine qualities, and women contributing to that is because of men and their strong beliefs that clearly run how the world and society functions
wait what straight person thinks about the same sex during alone time 😐 thats not straight at all.
the first one is normal across Asia but I dont know about the second one.
For me, I know I'm not "100%" straight. But, I'm not bi either. I'm more attracted to the aesthetics of the female body more so than with the male body. But, I'm 95% more aroused by men than by women.
Just be with whoever you want, don’t even care about label
That’s still straight
Same
Felt that
I’m not at all telling you how to label yourself but I will say that there is no such thing as not being bi enough to call yourself bi if you are attracted to more than one gender you can use the label bi no matter the percentage or genders you’re attracted to
Ultimately tho labels are purely up to the person who uses them
Can we see the full conversations sometime? It's ok to have longer videos, they will still be watched!
this one has been my absolute favorite of all I've seen. I loved the comradery, and the Jamaican woman is my FAVE!
I feel like it was more of 1 straight women, 4 bisexual women of varying degree and, 2 lesbians.
That’s what I saw too. It would be interesting to see this with straight women.
and the 1 straight woman was in denial.
As a person who comes from two lesbian moms, I think I can offer a perspective to conversations like this that is often missed out on. My life is completely normal in regards to my parents, the only difference being they are two women. The way they raised me and talked about sexuality with me is the same way any open minded straight couple would. It’s important to realize that I am still my own person and whatever sexuality I chose to identify with has nothing to do with my parents, it’s all to do with me.
I come from two lesbian moms too. Big love :)
@@hollyjollyproductions so do you guys feel disadvantage being without father compare to someone who was raised with father ? .I hope my question was clear Eng isn't my first language " I'm still learning ☺
@@vector_vector__ I was raised by a single mom not lesbian moms but I responded because I get asked questions like this and I never know how to answer because I don't have an experience of being raised by a dad to compare to. Though I don't think I was lacking anything even without a father.
@@vector_vector__ I don’t feel that way. I believe I was taught everything a father could teach by my moms. The gender of my parents didn’t matter. The only time I felt at disadvantage was when I was young if people weren’t welcoming of my family. I hope that answers your question.
let me guess your not straight?
marsha the closet is GLASS
They literally picked the least straight straight women lmao
as a masculine lesbian, every time rachel had something to say i was so impressed with how deep and intelligent her worldview is, you can tell she really thinks deeply about these topics and i 100% agreed w her. i loved this video i hope you guys can do more like this with more lesbian representation
I was super impressed by Rachel too!
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I'm an extremely hetero lady and she was also my favourite, seems very wise
Yeah I like Rachel too.
shes a former teacher and she was great except for her perpetuating TERF rhetoric
“Labels don’t matter” honey being straight is also a label
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Straight is a normal thing, thats how civilization started and will end just like that
You got freedom of speech in just recent years, dont think you are going to change the world, world was the same, is the same, will remain the same untill the last day
would like the discussion to be longer
The friendliest Jubilee I’ve seen yet!