I've always thought that when the luminary travels back in time at the beginning and meets his Grandparent, It's not the power of the luminary allowing this, but the power of the Yggdrasil root on the tree in the middle of the village. Because if you touch the tree after that scene, it says that the root used all of it's power. I think that was made possible only because Yggdrasil did that.
And it was temporary too maybe the route didn’t allow you to physically actually time travel to the past but maybe it just projected an image of you with the ability to speak nothing more much like a ghost except the ability to talk and be seen because you had to give up the sword of light to time travel permanently I don’t believe it was very easy to project an image of yourself in the past for Yggdrasil
I was thinking the same thing. also its implied that the luminary was destined to travel back in time since some of the stuff that you do in the past is said to have happened in the beginning of the game. I guess is more of a timeloop type deal
when the luminary travels back in time at the beginning and meets his Grandparent it is from him touching the root of the tree. so the guy in the video is either not paying attention to the game or he forgot it. it is not a power of the luminary himself he is totally wrong on that one.
I never seen a point in marriage you dont need to be married to be with someone for 30-80 years all it took for me to be born was a happy meal some times you need to take your own responsibility in why your alone
@@roxaskinghearts Marriage is a sign of commitment. It's supposed to be a lifelong thing, saying that your love for this person will never end and swearing before God that you will remain faithful and true to that person. Unfortunately, modern morality has slipped.
Ever heard the phrase 'better to let people think you're a fool than open your mouth and prove it'? Luminary keeps his mouth shut the whole time so no one finds out the great savior has no idea what he's doing.
@@jj_grabes it would be funny if near the end of the game he just started completely talking and baffles his party members and he says whatever reason why he hasn't been talking like oh I lost a bet so I couldn't talk or it's just like I was just messing with yous lol I kinda wish he was able to talk especially since I seen his kid version talking my jaw hit the ground I was like so you can talk
As someone who is not particularly attractive and has been lonely for too long for my liking, I wish I had the option of traveling to another realm and fighting a superboss within a certain amount of turns to ask a favour from a glowing buff dude. I'm not saying that would be my first preference but I'd appreciate having the option available.
@captaincruise8796 Nah you're right. But if I had the option of living as an RPG character as opposed to a mundane 9-5. I would definently take it. Even If I die, at least it was an amazing and fun journey
I always viewed it that if he didn't go through those events it would have created a time paradox. If he went back in time and Chalky as a result told him to not go to Heliodor then the events would have never played out to even tell him that going to Heliodor was a bad idea meaning when future Luminary went back in time he'd have no reason to tell Chalky to not send him to Heliodor which would mean Chalky would still end up telling him to do that due to the letter. This would just create an infinite loop of logical contradictions. So doing it the way they did causes the least amount of paradoxical nonsense. Basically going back in time and changing the past creates all sorts of problems as you erase the reason for going into the past to enact said change. At least with them letting the events still play out but then providing aid to future you it could still work.
It's an old video, but hopefully you'll see this, as I'm currently replaying the game. The part about the "Hero losing the powers of the Luminary to Mordegon, but it still works conviniently enough when the plot demands it" can easily be debunked. (This takes place in Act 2, after Yggrasil's fall) After you and your party leaves Puerto Valor, and Sylvando leaves his traveling circus in the hands of his father, you sail away to reach Zwaardsrust Region when the boat gets attacked by Alizerin, and our hero gets thrown overboard, you wake up in some random location and meet with the Seer for the first time, who tells you "Did you really think you lost the power of the luminary to the darkness? That is not a power so easily stolen" or something like it :)
My philosophy when loving stuff is “you’re only really a fan of something if you’re not afraid to point out its flaws”. I think you should do this kind of video for every mainline Dragon Quest, just to show how much you really love the franchise.
I thought you were gonna mention that Veronica never gets back to her older body... that always seem so weird for me. Nevertheless great video Chief :D
Would definitely enjoy more videos like this. Not just on dqxi either. The only thing dumb thing that comes to my mind is the start of act 3 and how the hero handles things with the king...
He couldn’t just immediately strike him down. For one, he doesn’t know how to safely remove Mordegon without hurting the king. And two, everyone would be shocked and think he’s evil if he just started hurling accusations or assaulting him. Remember, he’s the only one who knows the truth.
@@alexandermckay9521nah, by that point the party trusts Hero more than they do this supposed king carnelian, it'd be foolish of him to not at least warn the gang when invited to heliodore's celebration. Worst of all, he slept through Mordy trynna grubby the sword, like, dear pal Calasmos of all people had to save him. Act 3 was a fix-it fic brought low by a silent protagonist IMO.
My understanding of the Cobblestone time travel was that it’s bootstrap paradox type scenario. It always happened that way. Chalky takes to older Luminary- realizes his mistake then leaves the note and keystone. But Chalky dies not long after this. The real question is why didn’t he tell Amber. The answer is the bootstrap because had he warned Amber, the Luminary never would’ve gone back in time to warn him in the first place. The scene is actually important because it helps establish the bootstrap concept for later and gives the idea that destiny is meant to be. Even when you change the past it’s only ultimately to fulfill that destiny - if you’re the Luminary that is. All that said, yes the game very poorly and conveniently (or inconveniently, depending on perspective doesn’t explain it’s time travel ideas, both here and later when it’s the major engine of the plot, lore, and themes.
One thing that bothered the crap outta me was Cetaeca was built up and when you first meet her shes this gigantic golden whale, youre supposed to be able to roam the ENTIRE world freely as you please flying everywhere except.... you can only land in a few VERY specific spots, which are mostly just small hallways with a treasure chest at the end. Like what a buzzkill
@@geekdaparaibaZoom is just a lore justified fast travel mechanic,kind of kills the immersion,always hated having to basically forego traveling with Cetacea just cause the devs decided to make it as counterintuitive as possible trying to land somewhere cause nearly all the spots are locked off, it's not like the chests hidden there have that great of a reward
@@geekdaparaiba the biggest advantage of say Empryea in DQVIII is that you can land on any spot on the map your character could actually walk. This is far more versatile then zoom especially if you want to fight specific enemies. You don't always just want to go to a specific town.
For me, the most dumb thing is how Michelle is still alive in Act 3. She died during Act 1, and when we go back in time we go back to a point after she's already dead.
@@geekdaparaiba And the weirdest thing is your choice to do that is still alluded to in Act 3. Stuff like this convinced me DQXI’s timeline is a paradox with all the deja vu from characters alone.
one more thing, so dq11 is before dq1 where they all spoke in ancient english, but before dq11 erdwin happened. where they also spoke ancient english, but in dq11 they all speak... not so ancient english.
I see the marriage rather just as a fun and goofy way to hide a fun little gimmick, making the "free wish" reward feel more comprehensive. The game never was about marriage and honestly it never should be, that's not what it was made for and would only distract from the actual reasons we play the game.
exactly! Hell, one of the wish rewards is literally getting a porno magazine. The marriage option is just a novelty. Its never meant to be something game defining like Fire Emblem or DQV. Its point IS being fanservice
I think the "Yes/No" thing really isn't bad at all. Its actually entertaining and funny seeing how everyone respond to your "No" response. They're all written in ways that understand just how antiquated that design is, makes fun of it, and shows off just how charming the cast is (such as Veronica forcing you to say Yes when a "damsel" demands it, or when Jade is just "stretching her legs"). While yes, you technically do get more dialogue options in something like Persona 5, your choices don't change the story there either. Other games with marriage/dating options typically are designed around them (Fire Emblem, Rune Factory etc...) and not just relagated to post-game as an option. Personally I'd rather DQ not go down the visual novel/dating sim route at all, but that's just me.
The marriage/dating options seems so forced in some of these games most in Fire emblem post awakening, in DQV and Awakening these option works because the children of the main cast, but in games like persona or fire emblem if is more like fanservice
Agreed about the Yes / No thing. It's an in-joke of the series, cemented by the first game's "But thou must!" spiel. I feel like Sack was stretching it a bit, though I can agree with the other points made. Especially the Luminary's apparent Mary Sue powers.
@@Ballislife32 I caught on early to the illusion of choice bit and thought it was a good callback to old school games. Every opportunity I'd say "no" just to see the funny reactions. And yet, even still, Erik's choice with his sister still threw me off and I was like, "...if I say no, will I ruin this game? because I haven't saved through this entire dungeon and boss battle..." I can't believe it actually got me there.
There is 1 instance where there is a Yes/No, that gets one of the funniest reactions. It's in DQ VIII, after being rescued from being buried in an avalanche. When the hero wakes up, you have to talk to all your team members, when speaking to Angelo, he makes a comment about the dog that rescued you is more useful and smells better than King Trode. If you agree with Angelo, King Trode has a hissy fit. To make it even better, it doesn't force you to go back and give the "right" answer
yeah many people complain about the "yes/no" not being a real choice in DQXI but really in most games with dialogue choices it will often just change the next line of dialogue and then the characters will continue on with the exact same story beats they would if you made the other choice. Some will also give alignment type of stats but these usually at most choose the noble vs renegade ending for a game. There really aren't alot of games where your dialogue choices will drastically change the plot of the game as that would be far too much work for the developers.
The Luminary's grandfather didn't want to create a time paradox. And no, the Luminary cannot just jump to the past whenever he wants. Yggdrasil can only send his consciousness there, while his body stays in the present, when near the root in the village. Erik proves this by saying the Luminary was "zoned out". So no, it's not a plot hole.
Great Video Sackchief, if there's ones thing that really bugged me about DQXI it's how emotionless The Hero can be. I feel like 95% of the game he just doesn't react to any of things happening to him or the party. Anyways can't wait for the next video keep up the good work.
I really hope dq12 has a voiced protagonist, it would have benefitted 11 greatly. The whole "insert yourself" thing just doing work considering You can't choose dialouge options How you react irl doesn't always translate to the game Nor can you customize their appearance to resemble yourself
You have good points about it. Albeit... In the case of the "time travel", it actually foreshadows an important plot point in the third act, which the Luminary goes back in time to prevent the fall of Yggdrasil. As for the forgiveness in the game, Vince is not the only victim of this. Krystalinda turned all the citizens in ice statues and she's pardoned by Queen Frysabel. There's implications that Doge Rotondo ratted out the Luminary and his companions to Jasper. And then... the Kingdom of Heliodor. Man, the Kingdom of Heliodor. In Act 1, once King Carnelian discovers the truth about the Luminary, orders him arrested, persecution and his adoptive hometown burned. The reveal that Carnelian was possessed by Mordegon make this worse as this event wasn't foreshadowed at all. (Except in Dundrasil and that Phenomenon city, but it's still vague). Even worse, Hendrik never pulled a Beatrix/Celes and defected after discovering the king's true nature, instead only joining the party under orders of the king. Twice. Perhaps the message of DQXI is that "All humans are sympathetic and deserves forgiveness and all monsters, as cute as they are, deserve to die". The only exceptions are the aforementioned Krystalinda (And she looks like a humanoid than a monster.), Jasper and Mia, and even then, the latter two are still humans who are monsters by choice. Dragon Quest XI S is a nice game, but even the most beautiful rose has thorns. At least it's not as bleak and cruel as... The Last of Us Part II.
ehhh I kinda disagree that Carnelian possessed by Mordegon came out of no where, it's clear in flashbacks early game that he was friends with the other kings including the King of Dundrasil, it's so obvious that he's not supposed to be a bad guy considering you're still sent to see him in the beginning of the game, or else the townsfolk would tell you to go somewhere else. If anything I thought it was predictable, cuz how else did Jasper get his powers? How else was Mordegon supposed to reveal himself? Something to consider
how exactly does the luminary going back in time for the first time foreshadows him going back in time in act 3 to save yggradsil? and even if it does (it doesn't), it doesn't make it any less of a plot hole.
@@frenchfrey65 I knew something was wrong when King Carnelian tried to imprison the luminary - and used a bit of genre saviness to boot. I mean, this isn't Disgaia!
@bloom9064 when does that happen? I just beat it this week and unless I missed something I didn't notice anyone going back in time. I remember killing Mordegon and Yggdrasil was restored.
The "being forced to wear a mind controlling bunnysuit" situation with jade's sidestory... It just was tasteless rape mind control fetish someone during development should have put a stop to. Just let her be a prisoner after being overwhelmed by the monsters but not this...
I have minor nitpicks 1. Hero isn’t that expressive compared to the 3DS version and to an extent Smash 2.A lot of sheaths and scabbards aren’t modeled when you equip weapons (especially on costumes) 3. Party members don’t follow you in towns and their weapons aren’t modeled outside of battle 4. I wish Tickington got the same treatment as the 3DS version where a lot of places are actually modeled 5. I wish Jade’s voice actress could speak up in cutscenes 6. When you hover over any equipment it doesn’t render before you pick it Edited: 7. The hero doesn't speak outside of being a child when he should at certain scenes 8. Party members don't have a running animation when following you on the overworld 9. Veronica doesn't really have a unique death animation (when she gets crit or dies to a powerful move if under leveled) 10. - - - - - I’ve been watching a 3DS play through so that’s why I’m saying some of these I might comeback to this comment to add more things once the thought comes across my head.
@@ghosthuntermike2592 for example when hero dies to a crit or a powerful move he flips backwards same with Erik and Rab. Veronica, she just doesn’t have that
#2 really annoyed me with the Sword of Light, since it has a sheathe in official artwork and even in the opening CG. At least Smash gave it one, but still. They could’ve at least given you one for the Supreme Sword of Light.
The first one with the dialogue is for comedic purposes only. Obviously, you have to help or do the thing they ask you to. Imagine not rescuing the Prawle kidnapped by that one dragon, so it's just for fun, nothing more.
This is my first dragon quest too, I thought the time travel bit in the beginning was the weirdest and most poorly thought out event in this game, still glad I got to experience this epic story
1. The yes/no choice does have relevance in one part of the story; the Lonalulu part with Michelle. You can either tell her true love is coming or tell her the truth. 2. Yeah, I can agree with that. There’s no build-up to the marriage and it doesn’t feel earned. 3. That is a pretty big plot hole. Not sure why they added that if they weren’t going to do it again. 4. I agree. That was way too forgiving. It should’ve made you retry until you got at least second place. 5. Yeah that’s fair but thankfully he’s still got a fun personality.
I think the biggest problem I have with #2 is the moral implications. Would you truly be happily married to someone if you know that they didn't truly say yes to marrying you but you wished for them to be married to you? Would you not feel bad for taking away their right to choose you as their partner?
The yes or no not mattering is tradition, you should know this, dragon quest practically created the "but thou must" trope, and no grandpa can't change history if he did it could have made things worse have you never seen back to the future 2?
Every game has its Flaws! It's very understandable to see it. I have no idea why many developers never solved this problem? There are games that were solved in their sequels such as Gran Turismo and Super Smash Bros. Hope this series fix this problem. Thanks for giving us the warning Chief!
You want to talk about dumb forgiveness, Darth Vader kills Palpatine and gets to be a Force Ghost even though he was Hitler on a Galactic Scale. I'm sorry, but everything else seems small compared to that bullshit.
Can't believe you didn't mention how dumb it is that you had to make a wish to marry Gema! As if she wouldn't have married you anyway! She should have been the literal Canon storyline wife, but you can wish to have a different wife if you want. Seriously, it would have made all the sense if the Luminary married her naturally in the story. Why would he have to wish for that?
Yes, everyone is aware that they're in other DQ games... The point is that they're OLDER DQ games. The 11th mainline installment is stilling doing it. It's antiquated and games are capable of much more. People only seem to bitch about it when it happens in Pokemon lmao
@@RestlessSylveon The Yes or No thing is a series in-joke, they are designed to make the player think they have some control in the plot, when in reality they don't have any. They are literally just a joke.
I haven't watched the video yet, but if I could nitpick about one thing in particular, it's that no one in the party wields a bow in Dragon Quest XI; only the bodkin enemies do. But that's just me. I'd elaborate further, but it's too early for me to do so.
Dragon Quest XII from what’s known is that the decisions you make will impact the story and how things play out in those events. I’m looking forward to seeing how they handle this. I find DQ XI’s decisions pretty funny. It’s kinda funny seeing Veronica calling you a heartless monster, Faris banging his head endlessly, and Veronica asking you what sort of hero you are. It’s stupid in Rab’s Sidestory though. Imagine being the king and not being able to say no. Rab you’re a king *GODDAMNIT.*
The yes/no thing, and also selecting the "wrong" answer and being forced to choose again until you select the "right" answer has been a thing since the beginning of the series. Seems like an odd inclusion.
In DQ6 you can Actually make a mistake by telling the truth to someone, by doing so he leaves in grief and you nevee get the Chance to get him into the party for tbat playthrough, but I do agree that this is a common thing in DQ
Dragonquest 5 also had a time travel segment where the protagonist meets himself as a child and the other version of himself talks, at the beginning of the game child protagonist talks to an adult version of himself who talks while child protagonist is mute, later on he travels back in time and talks to child protagonist who talks while adult protagonist is mute.
I considered the "time travel" the best scene, because I thought it wasn't actual time travel. Rather the luminary struggling to process the grief of his village being slaughtered. To have the grandpa leave a note based on the time travel and also undoing the slaughter was a mistake. No one thought Gemna wasn't blond hair on a stick, she could've died and left the story the same.
Lol the Yes or No thing is just an old running DQ Trope & is how the series has always been. I guess they think it's charming. I have to admit, some of the No responses are pretty hilarious, like Jade trying to side kick you in the head & saying that she's just stretching her legs 😁
Yggdrasil was what allowed the Luminary to travel project himself back in time and very likely still Yggdrasil that kept Chalky from altering the future because if he did alter that than the Luminary wouldn't have met Erik or have Hendrick hunt you and sow the seeds of doubts later on. As for Vince, the way to Hell is paved with good intentions. He was desperate and was focusing on helping the kids, a good man being forced into a bad situation. He's likely on borrowed time after all that doping anyway so might as well leave him to take care of the orphans. His punishment COULD be more severe, but nothing torments a man more than they're own guilty conscious. Everything else, yeah that's stupid.
the first one is a common trope in dragon quest games that dates back to the original, where saying no to the princess with have her repeating "but you must!" until you say yes. It would be an insult to the series not to have the gag in any of its mainline entries
One of the things I would've liked to see added was the world reacting to the defeat of the final boss in act 3. Imagine how fun it would be to travel around the world and see all the cheers and bright smiles of the denizens of the world you just saved. It would be the similar to the end of Act 2 before the transition to 3, except the world isn't demolished. And the Death Star floating over Gallipolis wasn't what people were raving about all the time like at the end of act 3. This could've been an opportunity to allow the player to reexplore the world for a final time and celebrate the long journey. Maybe even certain kingdoms could've been hinted starting a rebuilding effort. I understand that this is to allow the player to refight the final boss using the JRPG trope that makes time revert before the final boss is defeated, but they could've worked that in other ways (Looking at you tockle time machine tower). Regardless this is still my favorite game of all time. My suggestion would've made for better closure imo, because I'm not gonna lie, I felt very empty when I finished my first playthrough (amazing games will do that to you).
tbh I think the great celebration of the world only really works if the world has suffered great loss at the hands of the bad guys. If you went around at the end of Act 3 it would go something like this. Party: "Hey everyone we just beat Calasmos" World: "Ummmm who is that exactly?" Party: "An ancient evil entity that was planning to destroy the world" World: "Oh well, I guess good job, that would have been pretty bad if you hadn't stopped them" At the end of Act 2 pretty much everyone knows, is terrified of, and hates Mordegon because of what he did. Taking out Mordegon and having the world celebrate works because of the destruction he caused. While Calasmos did drive many monsters around the world crazy it's really hard to connect him to any of those events.
@@Silent_Fool Nah he gets so much character development in act 2. Remember when he went to Erdwin’s lantern all on his own? That’s why he is so well written. Going from a total whimp to a brave warrior.
I was torn on the third act myself for a while. I have come to accept/rationalize that the developers wanted to ask you this question: if you have the power to undo a bad thing that compromised the whole world, shouldn't you try to make the world back the way it used to be? Feel free to disagree with that opinion of course!
Honestly after the ending of Octagonia and Sniflheim I'm imagining the game ends with everyone forgiving whoever the final boss is before a battle even starts. Some of these smaller storylines in the beginning of the game have the most unsatisfying Disney payoffs.
The marriage system was definitely undercooked, it wasn’t even all there in the original version, you could only marry Gemma (That’s why she’s the only one that gets a nice illustration). This is disappointing since DQ was one of the first jrpgs with marriage options in V and they were really well done. Time travel didn’t make sense but that just fictional time travel for you. If the hero had never gotten himself jailed then the whole chain of events that caused him to time travel and warn his grandpa would’ve never happened so he would’ve gotten himself jailed and then… You get the idea. that whole section was pretty hearth warming so I tend to give it a pass. Imo the dumbest thing was when the hero went back in time, everything is back exactly as it was at the point he returns… Except Michele who is back to being alive for some reason even if you saw her die way before the point you time travel back to.
Marriage in V wasn't an option. It was its defining feature you could say, the whole story revolves around the family of the protagonist I suppose that's why some people expect something similiar for the sequels, but in truth each game focuses on different underlying themes. I think you can't really write a game with marriage- and believeable familiy live, without that having a huge impact on the story.
I think the point of Eleven traveling back in time to when Chalky was alive is more than likely because of the Yggdrasil root in the village. Think about it, it’s the only root you never physically interact with once, and yet there was a flashback scene in the village. It’s the only logical explanation. It was Yggdrasil sending Eleven back in time not just to start the chain of events, but also maybe to hide the sad truth of Cobblestone a little bit longer.
@@JustGusB what a gyp! So much for player agency. Actually... It makes me wonder if Michelle was originally meant to play a role in act two of the story, so that her death could be undone by act three's time travel?
It's amazing. A lot of theses "dumb things" are either nitpicks or weird personal interpretations of the story. Switch version is really solid, if you don't mind a small visual downgrade. In return, you get the orchestral soundtrack, extra content, and quality of life improvements. Plus, the portability of the Switch itself.
Yes, it’s an excellent game. Like he said, a lot of the “dumb things” are nitpicks (or even misinterpretations). It’s a great JRPG with a good story and fun characters. Having it on the Switch where it’s portable is the best way to own the game, IMO.
Hey what about doing some content on the DQ spinoffs, there are so many of them, Monsters, builders, heroes, mistery dungeon, I want to get into them but most youtubers only talk about the mainline series. I don't know where to start or if they are even good, maybe a rank or a top 10?
On my first playthough I assumed Sylvando was unbeatable, but then I realised you can easily just hold boost and never come within a second of running out of stamina as long as you hit every replenishment spot.
I do wanna add two things. I am fairly well-versed in the game (both the original and S), and maybe it's not as much as some, I think I'm more in tune than most. That being said. First, Michelle. How is she alive in Act 3? I wracked my brains and I still don't understand it. I can't even find like a hint or throwaway line. She's just... alive, somehow. Two, during the MMA in Octagonia, it annoyed me how it's meant to be random team matchups but yet all the teams you face seem to have absolutely perfect synergy with one another. I know it would have been underwhelming if it actually was "random" teams, but the fact that all the teams you face seem accustomed to their partner and no one else, I think maybe it should have been that the Luminary was added to the lot and only he had to draw for a team.
I was with you until the "Sword of Light" theory says you actually abandoned your original party members and accidentially create an alternate timeline where the Heavenly Bride games take place. Which is why Hero gives the Timekeeper a chance to go back in time. In fact, I'm not sure if we should even call it a theory. It's heavily implied lmao.
I think that's the Great thing about going back in time: you lose all the story lines and everything you learned about your friends, which is heartbreaking, but you also have to look at the world around you. so many people died (the little girl in the church always stuck with me) and suffered so the thought is: do you go back in time to help the entirety of Erdrea or do you (selfishly) stay because you want to stay with your friends?
@@SamanthaBartonYAY I think it's more that I wish we could have kept people's memories I suppose, illogical as it was. I just didn't find the story beats as interesting in the third act. And they didn't make up for the character development in it for certain characters either. Obviously we don't want to go through all the exact same things again but I was just never satisfied with the alternatives we got.
Michelle the mermaid is supposed to be nothing but sea foam after the quest for the Green Orb. But in act 3, she's magically alive again and together with Kai. Its sweet how it turned out but HOW IS SHE ALIVE AGAIN!?
Oh, you should definitely keep doing this. Make it a series. Do all the games. Talk about how stupid the story is in DQ4's extra chapter in the remakes.
Solid video, not saying I agree or disagree with all of these. But one thing that I'm surprised that Square Enix didn't do, was allow Gamers to work on restoring Dundrasil. If we were given that option to restore Cobblestone, why not do the same with Dundrasil in game? Especially since Rab ends up wanting to do this himself. At least give the man his wish.
#5 feels especially harsh. Especially since Vince makes it plenty clear that he was in a moment of weakness when he was tempted. And even admitted that he felt horrible about doing it. But couldn't handle the fact that he was letting the orphans down if he didnt win. So that was unacceptable. But after seeing the "juice" almost kill him he realized there was no way he could continue faking it anymore. I like that Rab could accept that he was only doing it out of desperation to help those he cared about and forgave him. And even offered to give him a way out of the problem. After which you see him break down and tear up over such kindness. I mean it was still a bad decision to so all that. But I aint going to be heartless about it and throw him to the wolves. That would be really shallow of me.
Lol if you think ppl forgiving Vince Vanquish was dumb, don't play Dragon Quest 5. The Queen who is the literal cause of your fathers death and the reason you are imprisoned as a slave for your ENTIRE CHILDHOOD, you actually rescue her & there is no repercussion for her whatsoever! After you escape your slavery you effing free her & forgive her, just like that! There is literally no repercussions for this traiterous pos Queen whatsoever! It is by FAR the most bizzare, nonsensical thing I have ever seen in any RPG, hands down. She should have been immediately tried and hung, period. But she literally gets to rule beside her son after she plotted to kill his half brother so that her own son could acede the effing throne! How does this make ANY sense?? But yeah, I guess this means that this is yet another DQ trope at this point. Ppl get to do really, REALLY effed up things & can just apologize for it & no big deal, all is forgiven.
the worst aspect of the game for me is definitely act 3. i actually just finished act 2 and immediately dropped the game right after the time traveling to save veronica was brought up. the way it renders the whole of act 2 pointless and completely wipes out the character and plot development we had worked for so far was absolutely horrible. it felt like everything i did in act 2 was useless. the party members don't even seem like themselves when you go back in time. they just feel like empty shells.
I feel the biggest issue of this game is the entire structure of the plot. It's more like an Final Fantasy epic, grand scale plot. Dragon Quest has always been about small scale subplots you just stumble upon. Here, it all has to serve the main story, save for the mermaid thingy. This wouldn't have been much of an issue if the plot actually worked. It doesn't, because DQXI still lacks the elements needed to make such a story work. Good characters, exposition, an interesting villain.
Luminary being imprisoned needed to happen. It was a temporal constant. He wouldn't have met Erik if he hadn't. That's why Chalky didn't warn him. He was still free to express guilt about it...
The only thing that made me scratch my head on first playthrough was the heroes breaking out of Jasper's chains before the final fight....what power was that? No matter how enjoyable the scene is it's sheer plot convenience that they were able to will themselves out of his chains to accompany you to the final fight. I only care so much because they could've easily NOT had a Jasper fakeout so this scene could take place but they didn't then opted to take the cheapest way out of what they wrote themselves into
The fighting tournament is a hot mess in general. Like you're supposed to be paired with jade and then rab says something and you're not, which is never explained.
Dumb thing #7 "Silent characters are different from emotionless characters" What i mean? Luminary is (apparently) very close to Gemma(Childhood friends, Gemma has a major crush on him, the entire village is waiting for them to get married, and they ship them together, also they're the only two kids in the village of their generation, the other kids are either too old or too young, so they can only relate to each other most of the time.) Well, soon after being sent to prison and escaped, Luminary goes back to his village, only to find it destroyed and everyone is missing, as far as i remember, Luminary and Erik believe that everyone died, including Gemma and Luminary's step-mother(the second person Luminary loves the most, if we exclude “grandpa” because he already died of old age a long time ago). So Luminary for the entire Act1, he is sure that everyone he ever loved is dead...but in ACT2 we learn that Hendrick managed to convince Jasper to just capture them and take them to prison and during the apocalypse caused by Mordegon, Luminary meets them again(at Last Bastion) and his reaction is the same reaction that a rock has when it learns that it won the lottery(Yeah, rocks don't have reactions, that's the joke XD). Luminary has a very mild nearly non-existent reaction, while at least Amber(the mom) and Gemma are in tears and sobbing, and they talk about how happy they are, but Eleven/Luminary? He doesn't even flinch! Major fans of DQ's saga told me that it's a tradition, or it's iconic, or "Link from Legend of Zelda is the same and yet you don't complain about it!" and i explain why i don't complain about it: Link even in older games, always had some degree of “indirect talking” we get to choose what he says(in BotW we can read what he says before "silently saying it"), we simply don't hear him say it, but we have him yelling and screaming when he fights, and we see him change facial expression: We see him happy, we see him sad, we see him angry and so on. It's not much, but it's still more than what we see in Dragon Quest games. In Breath of the Wild, we learn why Link is so silent(at least that version of him): The weight of being the "hero", the fact that he is forced to be a knight, and that he must be the best one around because he is "the chosen from the Master Sword" and all these responsibilities stress him to the point that he simply goes silent and sticks to the role of a silent guardian of Princess Zelda(Zelda herself even gets mad about it in the flashbacks, until she starts to understand him, she learns that like her, he has a role, he doesn't like it just like her, but he reacts differently compared to her) You(DQ's fan, who loves silent protagonists and doesn't want them to speak) can justify that the Luminary is the same but it's really not: Link spends several years with the knowledge that one day he will fight Ganon, and he prepares accordingly by constantly training, and serving Hyrule as a soldier...while Eleven learns about being THE luminary in the present, with his Grandpa's letter. Eleven spends his whole life believing he is a random kid with a weird birthmark on his hand. He trains enough to deal with weak monsters(or not even that, MAYBE, aside a few flashbacks about Eleven playing with Gemma or spending time with Amber we don't know much about his childhood). What i'm getting to is that Eleven/Luminary has no reasons to be silent, there is no trauma or stress to make him silence him. I conclude by saying that i don't mind Silent Characters, i do mind(in a bad way) characters who are emotionless for no reason at all. Because personally, in ACT2 if I was the Luminary and i just learn that my mom and my "almost" girlfriend are alive, i would hug them for hours while in tears and making weird happy noises! ç_ç Last Thing: Toriyama isn't good at writing stories, and it's even worse at writing romances. You can see it both in Dragon Ball, and Dragon Quest. Chichi, Goku's wife, is more absent than Bulma, Goku's childhood friend(basically) during Dragon Ball Z. Gemma, Luminary's (implied) canon romance, is more absent than Jade, Serena, and Veronica.
This game frustrates me. For one it's gorgeous to look at, it oozes charm, the voice acting is really solid (except for Michelle the mermaid who I wanted to strangle), good combat system, neat crafting system with the mini forge, and nice music. However as you pointed out, the silent protagonist just doesn't work in this day and age. they didn't even give him various facial expressions to go along with what was happening. He's the most important character in the game and yet he's just a shallow husk that walks around with the other characters, which is weird because when he goes back in time he meets his younger self who has a voice and talks. The story is interesting in some areas, and absolutely bored me to death in others
The first point about the two dialogue options I really noticed with Pokémon sword/shield too, but in that game both options are the same thing just rephrased!
game was perfect. Don't change anything... and make a bunch of new ones along these lines. I find the excessively overcomplicated RPGs of today are frustrating and annoying. This is relaxing and fun. This isn't a marriage simulator... and if it was, I wouldn't play it. The marriage thing was just a fun easter egg.... and it was fine. But I'm totally with you in the giant spider/kidnapping thing.
I've read somewhere long ago that those Yes/No questions aren't really supposed to be actual choices, but a way to make the player stop for a second and notice that this is a point of no return or an important moment in the overall story. If there were no pause in these moments, some players would go right through it without even noticing that a new character is in the party or that the status quo has changed. Dragon Quest at least make these weird questions a bit funny by adding stupid dialogue when you choose the wrong answer.
1) I Agree, but this Is Just an opinion 2) Again it's a matter of taste 3) This Is not a plothole, it's a narrative device called soft magic system.It's when an event Is caused by the use of a magic Power that Is not limited by specific rules of the story and this gives It a mysterious vibe. In this case the luminary didn't voluntarily go back to the past. This mysterious Power of the luminary Just activated in that moment. Usually this Is used to give info dump like this(in fact it's used Again in this game for a similar reason) You May not like It, but it's not bad writing. 4) I Agree, but this Is really Just a nitpick 5) I agree
I married Gemma and I did not regret it and I think that's the canon marriage because it's the only one where the Luminary and the marriage companion changed clothes for a wedding theme (in the case of Gemma)
About the time jump. He had to keep quiet about it because the hero's actions led to the time travel in the first place. So if he warned him he would make there no need for the time jump and a paradox would happen, destroying the universe by tearing apart the fabric of time itself.
He doesn't time travel. Is more like a mind-journey thing. His physical body goes nowhere and that's why Erik says the Hero was spacing out, like in a trance or something. I interpret it more like he contacted his adoptive grandfather in a dream or through a shared vision and that's how granpa knew he had to leave behind the letters and the keystone. We was using the World Tree root as a pshychic link to his grandfather in the past. The whole game explains over and over again how the Tree is the source of all souls, keeps the memories of everyone and the Hero is a chosen avatar to the powers of the World Tree. It may all sound over the top but it's fantasy, although the rules and laws of this world are explained plenty across the game. The marriage system I agree it's lazy and nonsensical but not the powers of the Luminary.
Dude was legit feeding people to a spider and it never occurs to me how awful that is till I watch this video. The game’s lighthearted tone is that OP.
Here are some other dumb things. In the battle against Alizarin, Alizarin shouts how the Luminary has returned. I mean at this point the Luminary and friends have already killed two of his Spectral Sentinals so did Mordegon not know already? How did he not know that two of his elites were already dead? Did he know and not tell him, if so that is a really bad idea. Yggdrasil Leaves. OK so in the game there is a tree called Yggdrasil that is the source of all life on Erdrea, and its leaves represent people, if the leaf is destroyed a person dies. YET Yggrasil leaves can be used as items in order to revive people? Where do the leaves come from? When you use it does somebody die? This is somewhat contradicting lore.
Idk if I'm being dumb but also when ur in the ruined world with rab and grand master mordegon literally tries to kill you so how would he not know ur alive??
To answer your questions: 1. They don't live in the modern world with cell phone, email, etc. So it is very likely that Mordegon just simply had no idea you had killed them as he assumed they were still performing their duties. Perhaps he had wondered why they hadn't checked in and would investigate soon (especially with the darkness leaving Heliodor he could probably see from his castle) However it is curious that Jasper who saw you right before the Tyriant fight didn't immediately go and inform all the other spectral sentinels that you were alive. 2. I think the leaves just represent a life and bloom any time a person is born but aren't literally the life force of that individual. If they were you'd have people dropping dead all the time randomly just because there was a storm that ripped some leaves off of Yggdrasil. Also people could commit murder just by plucking leaves which would be rather silly.
Have you played any of the earlier dragon quests? Lol. Really cool video, but some of your criticisms are just not appreciating the nostalgia of those quirks
The reason for chalky not changing the past is because those events must happen for the heroes journey to begin, if chalky told the hero that no matter what, he must stay in cobblestone then the world would be doomed. Atleast with his letter, he can apologise for what will eventually come to pass
There are some more dumb things I noticed as well, such as the leap you take with Erik at the start of the game, and the power of friendship stuff at the end of Act 2. When you escape Heliodor with Erik, you both take a leap off a cliff face and fall into a forest a hundred or so metres down. You both survive, thanks to believing in the power of the Luminary. What bothers me is how this power is never used again. Perhaps the power of friendship stuff I'll mention next is a repetition of this power, but it's not too clear. When the Spectral Sentinels return to sneak snare the party, they are freed from the snares with the very strong faith they have with the Luminary. If this is that power, all is forgiven. What bothers me far more is how the Sentinels returned to do this in the first place... You killed them all except for Mia, who was redeemed. They all vanished into purple dust. How did they return? This is never explained, and no hint is provided later. Maybe someone can help enlighten me on these things.
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I've always thought that when the luminary travels back in time at the beginning and meets his Grandparent, It's not the power of the luminary allowing this, but the power of the Yggdrasil root on the tree in the middle of the village. Because if you touch the tree after that scene, it says that the root used all of it's power. I think that was made possible only because Yggdrasil did that.
That's also what I'm thinking. I'm currently playing the game and yes, the time travelling was after a you touched the root.
And it was temporary too maybe the route didn’t allow you to physically actually time travel to the past but maybe it just projected an image of you with the ability to speak nothing more much like a ghost except the ability to talk and be seen because you had to give up the sword of light to time travel permanently I don’t believe it was very easy to project an image of yourself in the past for Yggdrasil
I was thinking the same thing. also its implied that the luminary was destined to travel back in time since some of the stuff that you do in the past is said to have happened in the beginning of the game. I guess is more of a timeloop type deal
Yup. You think this because Erik actually says this LITERALLY in the game just after he shakes you awake from your trance.
when the luminary travels back in time at the beginning and meets his Grandparent it is from him touching the root of the tree. so the guy in the video is either not paying attention to the game or he forgot it. it is not a power of the luminary himself he is totally wrong on that one.
"Marriage options are becoming more popular in RPGs since people enjoy fantasies they can't experience in real life" Roast of the century
you mean a healthy marriage that doesn't end with someone trying to ruin you financially....yeah i agree XD
I never seen a point in marriage you dont need to be married to be with someone for 30-80 years all it took for me to be born was a happy meal some times you need to take your own responsibility in why your alone
@@roxaskinghearts amen
We know what audience Persona is targetting now
@@roxaskinghearts Marriage is a sign of commitment. It's supposed to be a lifelong thing, saying that your love for this person will never end and swearing before God that you will remain faithful and true to that person. Unfortunately, modern morality has slipped.
It's funny how the Luminary grows into a silent protagonist.
The game actually implies it’s just an act in Cole’s trivia panel. One he maintains for whatever reason, which I think is kind of funny.
Deltarune player possession moment.
Ever heard the phrase 'better to let people think you're a fool than open your mouth and prove it'? Luminary keeps his mouth shut the whole time so no one finds out the great savior has no idea what he's doing.
@@RedneckRapture wonders around for 3 hours lost.
@@jj_grabes it would be funny if near the end of the game he just started completely talking and baffles his party members and he says whatever reason why he hasn't been talking like oh I lost a bet so I couldn't talk or it's just like I was just messing with yous lol I kinda wish he was able to talk especially since I seen his kid version talking my jaw hit the ground I was like so you can talk
As someone who is not particularly attractive and has been lonely for too long for my liking, I wish I had the option of traveling to another realm and fighting a superboss within a certain amount of turns to ask a favour from a glowing buff dude. I'm not saying that would be my first preference but I'd appreciate having the option available.
Skill issue.
Lol imagine basically forcing someone to be with you
@@RestlessSylveon more like an "everybody else cept me" issue 😎
Just talk to girls and be happy with yourself. Superboss battles are overrated.
@captaincruise8796 Nah you're right. But if I had the option of living as an RPG character as opposed to a mundane 9-5. I would definently take it. Even If I die, at least it was an amazing and fun journey
Maybe the luminary still wanted to go to prison so he can help Erik get out
I always viewed it that if he didn't go through those events it would have created a time paradox. If he went back in time and Chalky as a result told him to not go to Heliodor then the events would have never played out to even tell him that going to Heliodor was a bad idea meaning when future Luminary went back in time he'd have no reason to tell Chalky to not send him to Heliodor which would mean Chalky would still end up telling him to do that due to the letter. This would just create an infinite loop of logical contradictions. So doing it the way they did causes the least amount of paradoxical nonsense. Basically going back in time and changing the past creates all sorts of problems as you erase the reason for going into the past to enact said change. At least with them letting the events still play out but then providing aid to future you it could still work.
It's an old video, but hopefully you'll see this, as I'm currently replaying the game.
The part about the "Hero losing the powers of the Luminary to Mordegon, but it still works conviniently enough when the plot demands it" can easily be debunked.
(This takes place in Act 2, after Yggrasil's fall) After you and your party leaves Puerto Valor, and Sylvando leaves his traveling circus in the hands of his father, you sail away to reach Zwaardsrust Region when the boat gets attacked by Alizerin, and our hero gets thrown overboard, you wake up in some random location and meet with the Seer for the first time, who tells you "Did you really think you lost the power of the luminary to the darkness? That is not a power so easily stolen" or something like it :)
My philosophy when loving stuff is “you’re only really a fan of something if you’re not afraid to point out its flaws”. I think you should do this kind of video for every mainline Dragon Quest, just to show how much you really love the franchise.
I thought you were gonna mention that Veronica never gets back to her older body... that always seem so weird for me. Nevertheless great video Chief :D
Exactly! I love her but it feels so weird with her still trapped in a kids body
Honestly would have made sense as one of the rewards in the endgame
Veronica should of got her body back by at least the 2nd or 3rd of the game
Same. I would have loved seeing Veronica in her older body with her twin sister! It's such a disappointment that it didn't happen :(
When you get the pendant from The Seer, it should have been an accessory like the one thar shortens Serena's hair.
Would definitely enjoy more videos like this. Not just on dqxi either.
The only thing dumb thing that comes to my mind is the start of act 3 and how the hero handles things with the king...
Act 3 is what kept me from giving DQXI a 9/10.
Mainly because of the time travel. It all could’ve been handled so much better.
He couldn’t just immediately strike him down. For one, he doesn’t know how to safely remove Mordegon without hurting the king. And two, everyone would be shocked and think he’s evil if he just started hurling accusations or assaulting him. Remember, he’s the only one who knows the truth.
@@alexandermckay9521nah, by that point the party trusts Hero more than they do this supposed king carnelian, it'd be foolish of him to not at least warn the gang when invited to heliodore's celebration. Worst of all, he slept through Mordy trynna grubby the sword, like, dear pal Calasmos of all people had to save him. Act 3 was a fix-it fic brought low by a silent protagonist IMO.
My understanding of the Cobblestone time travel was that it’s bootstrap paradox type scenario. It always happened that way. Chalky takes to older Luminary- realizes his mistake then leaves the note and keystone. But Chalky dies not long after this. The real question is why didn’t he tell Amber. The answer is the bootstrap because had he warned Amber, the Luminary never would’ve gone back in time to warn him in the first place. The scene is actually important because it helps establish the bootstrap concept for later and gives the idea that destiny is meant to be. Even when you change the past it’s only ultimately to fulfill that destiny - if you’re the Luminary that is. All that said, yes the game very poorly and conveniently (or inconveniently, depending on perspective doesn’t explain it’s time travel ideas, both here and later when it’s the major engine of the plot, lore, and themes.
One thing that bothered the crap outta me was Cetaeca was built up and when you first meet her shes this gigantic golden whale, youre supposed to be able to roam the ENTIRE world freely as you please flying everywhere except.... you can only land in a few VERY specific spots, which are mostly just small hallways with a treasure chest at the end. Like what a buzzkill
Then again there's the Zoom skill...
@@geekdaparaibaZoom is just a lore justified fast travel mechanic,kind of kills the immersion,always hated having to basically forego traveling with Cetacea just cause the devs decided to make it as counterintuitive as possible trying to land somewhere cause nearly all the spots are locked off, it's not like the chests hidden there have that great of a reward
@@geekdaparaiba That would be fine, but you can't zoom to the islands and they are annoying to get to. There are also a few other spots.
@@geekdaparaiba the biggest advantage of say Empryea in DQVIII is that you can land on any spot on the map your character could actually walk. This is far more versatile then zoom especially if you want to fight specific enemies. You don't always just want to go to a specific town.
For me, the most dumb thing is how Michelle is still alive in Act 3. She died during Act 1, and when we go back in time we go back to a point after she's already dead.
But she dies if you tell her the truth. Still a huge plot hole.
Her area is "lost in time".
@@geekdaparaiba And the weirdest thing is your choice to do that is still alluded to in Act 3. Stuff like this convinced me DQXI’s timeline is a paradox with all the deja vu from characters alone.
one more thing, so dq11 is before dq1 where they all spoke in ancient english, but before dq11 erdwin happened. where they also spoke ancient english, but in dq11 they all speak... not so ancient english.
@@hoesmad8626 yes! This bothered the crap out of me and had my wires crossed about the timeline for awhile.
I see the marriage rather just as a fun and goofy way to hide a fun little gimmick, making the "free wish" reward feel more comprehensive. The game never was about marriage and honestly it never should be, that's not what it was made for and would only distract from the actual reasons we play the game.
exactly! Hell, one of the wish rewards is literally getting a porno magazine. The marriage option is just a novelty. Its never meant to be something game defining like Fire Emblem or DQV. Its point IS being fanservice
I think the "Yes/No" thing really isn't bad at all.
Its actually entertaining and funny seeing how everyone respond to your "No" response. They're all written in ways that understand just how antiquated that design is, makes fun of it, and shows off just how charming the cast is (such as Veronica forcing you to say Yes when a "damsel" demands it, or when Jade is just "stretching her legs"). While yes, you technically do get more dialogue options in something like Persona 5, your choices don't change the story there either.
Other games with marriage/dating options typically are designed around them (Fire Emblem, Rune Factory etc...) and not just relagated to post-game as an option. Personally I'd rather DQ not go down the visual novel/dating sim route at all, but that's just me.
The marriage/dating options seems so forced in some of these games most in Fire emblem post awakening, in DQV and Awakening these option works because the children of the main cast, but in games like persona or fire emblem if is more like fanservice
Agreed about the Yes / No thing. It's an in-joke of the series, cemented by the first game's "But thou must!" spiel. I feel like Sack was stretching it a bit, though I can agree with the other points made. Especially the Luminary's apparent Mary Sue powers.
True. I mean the illusion of choice is broken for you in a really obvious way from the get go vs the vast majority of jrpg's.
@@Ballislife32 I caught on early to the illusion of choice bit and thought it was a good callback to old school games. Every opportunity I'd say "no" just to see the funny reactions. And yet, even still, Erik's choice with his sister still threw me off and I was like, "...if I say no, will I ruin this game? because I haven't saved through this entire dungeon and boss battle..." I can't believe it actually got me there.
But I love "But thou must" questions. It's classic dragon quest.
There is 1 instance where there is a Yes/No, that gets one of the funniest reactions. It's in DQ VIII, after being rescued from being buried in an avalanche. When the hero wakes up, you have to talk to all your team members, when speaking to Angelo, he makes a comment about the dog that rescued you is more useful and smells better than King Trode. If you agree with Angelo, King Trode has a hissy fit. To make it even better, it doesn't force you to go back and give the "right" answer
yeah many people complain about the "yes/no" not being a real choice in DQXI but really in most games with dialogue choices it will often just change the next line of dialogue and then the characters will continue on with the exact same story beats they would if you made the other choice. Some will also give alignment type of stats but these usually at most choose the noble vs renegade ending for a game. There really aren't alot of games where your dialogue choices will drastically change the plot of the game as that would be far too much work for the developers.
The Luminary's grandfather didn't want to create a time paradox.
And no, the Luminary cannot just jump to the past whenever he wants. Yggdrasil can only send his consciousness there, while his body stays in the present, when near the root in the village.
Erik proves this by saying the Luminary was "zoned out".
So no, it's not a plot hole.
Great Video Sackchief, if there's ones thing that really bugged me about DQXI it's how emotionless The Hero can be. I feel like 95% of the game he just doesn't react to any of things happening to him or the party. Anyways can't wait for the next video keep up the good work.
Yep. I don't really like how the protagonist looks - and partly because of his emotionless face.
I agree like don't necessarily think he has to speak but he could have communicated more with expressions.
dude when he meets hid dad for the first time and vice versa and THEY DIDNT EVEN HUG.
I really hope dq12 has a voiced protagonist, it would have benefitted 11 greatly. The whole "insert yourself" thing just doing work considering
You can't choose dialouge options
How you react irl doesn't always translate to the game
Nor can you customize their appearance to resemble yourself
You have good points about it. Albeit...
In the case of the "time travel", it actually foreshadows an important plot point in the third act, which the Luminary goes back in time to prevent the fall of Yggdrasil.
As for the forgiveness in the game, Vince is not the only victim of this. Krystalinda turned all the citizens in ice statues and she's pardoned by Queen Frysabel. There's implications that Doge Rotondo ratted out the Luminary and his companions to Jasper. And then... the Kingdom of Heliodor. Man, the Kingdom of Heliodor. In Act 1, once King Carnelian discovers the truth about the Luminary, orders him arrested, persecution and his adoptive hometown burned. The reveal that Carnelian was possessed by Mordegon make this worse as this event wasn't foreshadowed at all. (Except in Dundrasil and that Phenomenon city, but it's still vague). Even worse, Hendrik never pulled a Beatrix/Celes and defected after discovering the king's true nature, instead only joining the party under orders of the king. Twice. Perhaps the message of DQXI is that "All humans are sympathetic and deserves forgiveness and all monsters, as cute as they are, deserve to die". The only exceptions are the aforementioned Krystalinda (And she looks like a humanoid than a monster.), Jasper and Mia, and even then, the latter two are still humans who are monsters by choice.
Dragon Quest XI S is a nice game, but even the most beautiful rose has thorns. At least it's not as bleak and cruel as... The Last of Us Part II.
ehhh I kinda disagree that Carnelian possessed by Mordegon came out of no where, it's clear in flashbacks early game that he was friends with the other kings including the King of Dundrasil, it's so obvious that he's not supposed to be a bad guy considering you're still sent to see him in the beginning of the game, or else the townsfolk would tell you to go somewhere else. If anything I thought it was predictable, cuz how else did Jasper get his powers? How else was Mordegon supposed to reveal himself?
Something to consider
how exactly does the luminary going back in time for the first time foreshadows him going back in time in act 3 to save yggradsil? and even if it does (it doesn't), it doesn't make it any less of a plot hole.
@@frenchfrey65 I knew something was wrong when King Carnelian tried to imprison the luminary - and used a bit of genre saviness to boot. I mean, this isn't Disgaia!
To be fair, Jasper only got forgiveness after he was dead.
@bloom9064 when does that happen? I just beat it this week and unless I missed something I didn't notice anyone going back in time. I remember killing Mordegon and Yggdrasil was restored.
The Yes/No is part of the tradition of the series,, at least it's hilarious that they made the No answers funny.
The "being forced to wear a mind controlling bunnysuit" situation with jade's sidestory...
It just was tasteless rape mind control fetish someone during development should have put a stop to. Just let her be a prisoner after being overwhelmed by the monsters but not this...
I have minor nitpicks
1. Hero isn’t that expressive compared to the 3DS version and to an extent Smash
2.A lot of sheaths and scabbards aren’t modeled when you equip weapons (especially on costumes)
3. Party members don’t follow you in towns and their weapons aren’t modeled outside of battle
4. I wish Tickington got the same treatment as the 3DS version where a lot of places are actually modeled
5. I wish Jade’s voice actress could speak up in cutscenes
6. When you hover over any equipment it doesn’t render before you pick it
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7. The hero doesn't speak outside of being a child when he should at certain scenes
8. Party members don't have a running animation when following you on the overworld
9. Veronica doesn't really have a unique death animation (when she gets crit or dies to a powerful move if under leveled)
10. - - - - -
I’ve been watching a 3DS play through so that’s why I’m saying some of these
I might comeback to this comment to add more things once the thought comes across my head.
I feel like the weapons stuff is for optimisation reasons if Veronica had to carry her weapon on the field she wouldn't make physical sense
Do the party members have unqiue deaths?
@@ghosthuntermike2592 for example when hero dies to a crit or a powerful move he flips backwards same with Erik and Rab. Veronica, she just doesn’t have that
#2 really annoyed me with the Sword of Light, since it has a sheathe in official artwork and even in the opening CG. At least Smash gave it one, but still. They could’ve at least given you one for the Supreme Sword of Light.
@@paperluigi6132 I know right it annoys me! But there is a mod for it on PC
The first one with the dialogue is for comedic purposes only. Obviously, you have to help or do the thing they ask you to. Imagine not rescuing the Prawle kidnapped by that one dragon, so it's just for fun, nothing more.
Since DQXI was my first Dragon Quest game, and I’m still a casual Dragon Quest fan. I agreed with this list.
Don’t I am the same as you
This is my first dragon quest too, I thought the time travel bit in the beginning was the weirdest and most poorly thought out event in this game, still glad I got to experience this epic story
1. The yes/no choice does have relevance in one part of the story; the Lonalulu part with Michelle. You can either tell her true love is coming or tell her the truth.
2. Yeah, I can agree with that. There’s no build-up to the marriage and it doesn’t feel earned.
3. That is a pretty big plot hole. Not sure why they added that if they weren’t going to do it again.
4. I agree. That was way too forgiving. It should’ve made you retry until you got at least second place.
5. Yeah that’s fair but thankfully he’s still got a fun personality.
I think the biggest problem I have with #2 is the moral implications. Would you truly be happily married to someone if you know that they didn't truly say yes to marrying you but you wished for them to be married to you? Would you not feel bad for taking away their right to choose you as their partner?
The yes or no not mattering is tradition, you should know this, dragon quest practically created the "but thou must" trope, and no grandpa can't change history if he did it could have made things worse have you never seen back to the future 2?
Every game has its Flaws! It's very understandable to see it. I have no idea why many developers never solved this problem? There are games that were solved in their sequels such as Gran Turismo and Super Smash Bros. Hope this series fix this problem. Thanks for giving us the warning Chief!
The whole "oh no, I'm forced to say yes" thing is.... A dumb thing to complain about.
I would love to explain everything but nah. I'll keep it short and simple.
Story < Gameplay
You want to talk about dumb forgiveness, Darth Vader kills Palpatine and gets to be a Force Ghost even though he was Hitler on a Galactic Scale. I'm sorry, but everything else seems small compared to that bullshit.
Can't believe you didn't mention how dumb it is that you had to make a wish to marry Gema! As if she wouldn't have married you anyway! She should have been the literal Canon storyline wife, but you can wish to have a different wife if you want. Seriously, it would have made all the sense if the Luminary married her naturally in the story. Why would he have to wish for that?
The yes and no questions are literally in most other DQ games and they aren’t meant to change the games story but are there for comedic relief lol
I fail to see what's so funny about the yes or no questions, having just beaten the game lol
Yes, everyone is aware that they're in other DQ games... The point is that they're OLDER DQ games. The 11th mainline installment is stilling doing it. It's antiquated and games are capable of much more.
People only seem to bitch about it when it happens in Pokemon lmao
@@RestlessSylveon The Yes or No thing is a series in-joke, they are designed to make the player think they have some control in the plot, when in reality they don't have any. They are literally just a joke.
@@Obesno0 I’m a newcomer, so I really do appreciate this information.
@@Obesno0 yeah whenever the yes or no option show up i chuckle so hard. funniest shit ive ever seen. and when i press no? FUCKING LMAO
3:30 I don’t care. This is the most emotional scene in the game. I was all angry and ready for revenge. And then bam, sad old grandpa. I cried.
I found saying "No" to questions to be fun cus it gives a funny reply 🤭
I haven't watched the video yet, but if I could nitpick about one thing in particular, it's that no one in the party wields a bow in Dragon Quest XI; only the bodkin enemies do. But that's just me. I'd elaborate further, but it's too early for me to do so.
Dragon Quest XII from what’s known is that the decisions you make will impact the story and how things play out in those events. I’m looking forward to seeing how they handle this.
I find DQ XI’s decisions pretty funny. It’s kinda funny seeing Veronica calling you a heartless monster, Faris banging his head endlessly, and Veronica asking you what sort of hero you are.
It’s stupid in Rab’s Sidestory though. Imagine being the king and not being able to say no. Rab you’re a king *GODDAMNIT.*
I love the But thou must trope it's a franchise staple along with Puns and Puff Puff.
Akira Toriyama characters getting forgiven no matter what they do example 973.
That is so fucking true.
The yes/no thing, and also selecting the "wrong" answer and being forced to choose again until you select the "right" answer has been a thing since the beginning of the series. Seems like an odd inclusion.
In DQ6 you can Actually make a mistake by telling the truth to someone, by doing so he leaves in grief and you nevee get the Chance to get him into the party for tbat playthrough, but I do agree that this is a common thing in DQ
Dragonquest 5 also had a time travel segment where the protagonist meets himself as a child and the other version of himself talks, at the beginning of the game child protagonist talks to an adult version of himself who talks while child protagonist is mute, later on he travels back in time and talks to child protagonist who talks while adult protagonist is mute.
I considered the "time travel" the best scene, because I thought it wasn't actual time travel. Rather the luminary struggling to process the grief of his village being slaughtered. To have the grandpa leave a note based on the time travel and also undoing the slaughter was a mistake. No one thought Gemna wasn't blond hair on a stick, she could've died and left the story the same.
Lol the Yes or No thing is just an old running DQ Trope & is how the series has always been. I guess they think it's charming. I have to admit, some of the No responses are pretty hilarious, like Jade trying to side kick you in the head & saying that she's just stretching her legs 😁
I’ve always hated Faris so much, however I didn’t noticed that horse race. So, that makes me more hate him more again.
At least Faris is better that Prince Charmless. Character Development makes things better.
@@geekdaparaiba I guess.
The fact that when we got dq8 on the 3ds and we had a down version of the soundtrack compared to the ps2 version felt like a slap to the face
PS2 had a midi OST and 3DS had a orchestral OST..
@@Mari_Izu I’m talking about the NA versions we got
Going super is enough of a reason the ps2 version will also be my preferred version.
@@crankylink13 Oh I forgot west got it swapped.
Yggdrasil was what allowed the Luminary to travel project himself back in time and very likely still Yggdrasil that kept Chalky from altering the future because if he did alter that than the Luminary wouldn't have met Erik or have Hendrick hunt you and sow the seeds of doubts later on.
As for Vince, the way to Hell is paved with good intentions. He was desperate and was focusing on helping the kids, a good man being forced into a bad situation. He's likely on borrowed time after all that doping anyway so might as well leave him to take care of the orphans. His punishment COULD be more severe, but nothing torments a man more than they're own guilty conscious.
Everything else, yeah that's stupid.
the first one is a common trope in dragon quest games that dates back to the original, where saying no to the princess with have her repeating "but you must!" until you say yes. It would be an insult to the series not to have the gag in any of its mainline entries
One of the things I would've liked to see added was the world reacting to the defeat of the final boss in act 3. Imagine how fun it would be to travel around the world and see all the cheers and bright smiles of the denizens of the world you just saved. It would be the similar to the end of Act 2 before the transition to 3, except the world isn't demolished. And the Death Star floating over Gallipolis wasn't what people were raving about all the time like at the end of act 3. This could've been an opportunity to allow the player to reexplore the world for a final time and celebrate the long journey. Maybe even certain kingdoms could've been hinted starting a rebuilding effort. I understand that this is to allow the player to refight the final boss using the JRPG trope that makes time revert before the final boss is defeated, but they could've worked that in other ways (Looking at you tockle time machine tower). Regardless this is still my favorite game of all time. My suggestion would've made for better closure imo, because I'm not gonna lie, I felt very empty when I finished my first playthrough (amazing games will do that to you).
tbh I think the great celebration of the world only really works if the world has suffered great loss at the hands of the bad guys. If you went around at the end of Act 3 it would go something like this.
Party: "Hey everyone we just beat Calasmos"
World: "Ummmm who is that exactly?"
Party: "An ancient evil entity that was planning to destroy the world"
World: "Oh well, I guess good job, that would have been pretty bad if you hadn't stopped them"
At the end of Act 2 pretty much everyone knows, is terrified of, and hates Mordegon because of what he did. Taking out Mordegon and having the world celebrate works because of the destruction he caused. While Calasmos did drive many monsters around the world crazy it's really hard to connect him to any of those events.
Just beat this game and its one of my favorites, really enjoy the plot but yeah...the writing is not its strongest suit by any means.
wow I never knew about the horse race situation because I always got first.
That made me hate Farris more now.
@@Silent_Fool Nah he gets so much character development in act 2. Remember when he went to Erdwin’s lantern all on his own? That’s why he is so well written. Going from a total whimp to a brave warrior.
@@ensislucis2395 then he tells everyone at Gallopolis that Mordegon destroys the Erdwin’s lantern, and praises him.
@@ensislucis2395 well, he’s brave but he’s also stupid as well.
Players say no for Jade's leg
Anyone know if the rainbow drops stack. I have 2 so I am wondering if it makes 80% chance of free casting intead of the 40%?
This is the problem with time travel..
Impressive that you could do a video about dumb things in dq11 without mentioning the 3rd act, well played sir
I was torn on the third act myself for a while. I have come to accept/rationalize that the developers wanted to ask you this question: if you have the power to undo a bad thing that compromised the whole world, shouldn't you try to make the world back the way it used to be?
Feel free to disagree with that opinion of course!
Honestly after the ending of Octagonia and Sniflheim I'm imagining the game ends with everyone forgiving whoever the final boss is before a battle even starts. Some of these smaller storylines in the beginning of the game have the most unsatisfying Disney payoffs.
The marriage system was definitely undercooked, it wasn’t even all there in the original version, you could only marry Gemma (That’s why she’s the only one that gets a nice illustration). This is disappointing since DQ was one of the first jrpgs with marriage options in V and they were really well done.
Time travel didn’t make sense but that just fictional time travel for you. If the hero had never gotten himself jailed then the whole chain of events that caused him to time travel and warn his grandpa would’ve never happened so he would’ve gotten himself jailed and then… You get the idea. that whole section was pretty hearth warming so I tend to give it a pass.
Imo the dumbest thing was when the hero went back in time, everything is back exactly as it was at the point he returns… Except Michele who is back to being alive for some reason even if you saw her die way before the point you time travel back to.
Marriage in V wasn't an option. It was its defining feature you could say, the whole story revolves around the family of the protagonist I suppose that's why some people expect something similiar for the sequels, but in truth each game focuses on different underlying themes. I think you can't really write a game with marriage- and believeable familiy live, without that having a huge impact on the story.
I think the point of Eleven traveling back in time to when Chalky was alive is more than likely because of the Yggdrasil root in the village. Think about it, it’s the only root you never physically interact with once, and yet there was a flashback scene in the village. It’s the only logical explanation. It was Yggdrasil sending Eleven back in time not just to start the chain of events, but also maybe to hide the sad truth of Cobblestone a little bit longer.
Wait, Michelle can appear in that post-game sidequest even if you tell her the truth and she dies??
@@megabyte01 Yes. She will be at the strand in act 3 no matter how you resolved her quest in act 1.
@@JustGusB what a gyp! So much for player agency.
Actually... It makes me wonder if Michelle was originally meant to play a role in act two of the story, so that her death could be undone by act three's time travel?
Should I give Dragon Quest 11 a shot? I'm thinking of picking it up on Nintendo Switch.
It's amazing. A lot of theses "dumb things" are either nitpicks or weird personal interpretations of the story. Switch version is really solid, if you don't mind a small visual downgrade. In return, you get the orchestral soundtrack, extra content, and quality of life improvements. Plus, the portability of the Switch itself.
Yes, it’s an excellent game. Like he said, a lot of the “dumb things” are nitpicks (or even misinterpretations). It’s a great JRPG with a good story and fun characters. Having it on the Switch where it’s portable is the best way to own the game, IMO.
Soo did you give it a shot? what did you think? I loved it.
Hey what about doing some content on the DQ spinoffs, there are so many of them, Monsters, builders, heroes, mistery dungeon, I want to get into them but most youtubers only talk about the mainline series. I don't know where to start or if they are even good, maybe a rank or a top 10?
On my first playthough I assumed Sylvando was unbeatable, but then I realised you can easily just hold boost and never come within a second of running out of stamina as long as you hit every replenishment spot.
I do wanna add two things. I am fairly well-versed in the game (both the original and S), and maybe it's not as much as some, I think I'm more in tune than most.
That being said.
First, Michelle. How is she alive in Act 3? I wracked my brains and I still don't understand it. I can't even find like a hint or throwaway line. She's just... alive, somehow.
Two, during the MMA in Octagonia, it annoyed me how it's meant to be random team matchups but yet all the teams you face seem to have absolutely perfect synergy with one another. I know it would have been underwhelming if it actually was "random" teams, but the fact that all the teams you face seem accustomed to their partner and no one else, I think maybe it should have been that the Luminary was added to the lot and only he had to draw for a team.
Unfortunately all of the third act/losing the second act timeline qualifies for me. I adored all of the second act.
Also the sage not being Serenica.
I was with you until the "Sword of Light" theory says you actually abandoned your original party members and accidentially create an alternate timeline where the Heavenly Bride games take place. Which is why Hero gives the Timekeeper a chance to go back in time.
In fact, I'm not sure if we should even call it a theory. It's heavily implied lmao.
I think that's the Great thing about going back in time: you lose all the story lines and everything you learned about your friends, which is heartbreaking, but you also have to look at the world around you. so many people died (the little girl in the church always stuck with me) and suffered so the thought is: do you go back in time to help the entirety of Erdrea or do you (selfishly) stay because you want to stay with your friends?
@@SamanthaBartonYAY I think it's more that I wish we could have kept people's memories I suppose, illogical as it was. I just didn't find the story beats as interesting in the third act. And they didn't make up for the character development in it for certain characters either. Obviously we don't want to go through all the exact same things again but I was just never satisfied with the alternatives we got.
@@christophercarrasco154 Act 2 timeline leads to the Zenithian Trilogy, while Act 3 timeline leads to the Erdrick Trilogy. Is that right?
@@SamanthaBartonYAY you already helped the entirety of erdrea tho. act 3 sucked the story down toilet
Michelle the mermaid is supposed to be nothing but sea foam after the quest for the Green Orb. But in act 3, she's magically alive again and together with Kai. Its sweet how it turned out but HOW IS SHE ALIVE AGAIN!?
This doesn't happen if you lie to her.
Oh, you should definitely keep doing this. Make it a series. Do all the games. Talk about how stupid the story is in DQ4's extra chapter in the remakes.
Honestly, JRPGs nowadays are very forgiving and they hold your hand almost every step of the way. It’d be nice to see a change of pace for DQXII.
Solid video, not saying I agree or disagree with all of these. But one thing that I'm surprised that Square Enix didn't do, was allow Gamers to work on restoring Dundrasil. If we were given that option to restore Cobblestone, why not do the same with Dundrasil in game? Especially since Rab ends up wanting to do this himself. At least give the man his wish.
#5 feels especially harsh. Especially since Vince makes it plenty clear that he was in a moment of weakness when he was tempted. And even admitted that he felt horrible about doing it. But couldn't handle the fact that he was letting the orphans down if he didnt win. So that was unacceptable.
But after seeing the "juice" almost kill him he realized there was no way he could continue faking it anymore.
I like that Rab could accept that he was only doing it out of desperation to help those he cared about and forgave him. And even offered to give him a way out of the problem. After which you see him break down and tear up over such kindness.
I mean it was still a bad decision to so all that. But I aint going to be heartless about it and throw him to the wolves. That would be really shallow of me.
Lol if you think ppl forgiving Vince Vanquish was dumb, don't play Dragon Quest 5. The Queen who is the literal cause of your fathers death and the reason you are imprisoned as a slave for your ENTIRE CHILDHOOD, you actually rescue her & there is no repercussion for her whatsoever! After you escape your slavery you effing free her & forgive her, just like that!
There is literally no repercussions for this traiterous pos Queen whatsoever! It is by FAR the most bizzare, nonsensical thing I have ever seen in any RPG, hands down. She should have been immediately tried and hung, period. But she literally gets to rule beside her son after she plotted to kill his half brother so that her own son could acede the effing throne! How does this make ANY sense??
But yeah, I guess this means that this is yet another DQ trope at this point. Ppl get to do really, REALLY effed up things & can just apologize for it & no big deal, all is forgiven.
the worst aspect of the game for me is definitely act 3. i actually just finished act 2 and immediately dropped the game right after the time traveling to save veronica was brought up. the way it renders the whole of act 2 pointless and completely wipes out the character and plot development we had worked for so far was absolutely horrible. it felt like everything i did in act 2 was useless. the party members don't even seem like themselves when you go back in time. they just feel like empty shells.
It feels like SE was too afraid to have a completely dark story so at the end they added a cheap golden ending
No. All skill and level were restored after time travel once u see the elder of watchers.
i haven't finished the game (im at the point where like a sun goes down near galopolis) but does veronica ever get back?
I feel the biggest issue of this game is the entire structure of the plot. It's more like an Final Fantasy epic, grand scale plot. Dragon Quest has always been about small scale subplots you just stumble upon. Here, it all has to serve the main story, save for the mermaid thingy.
This wouldn't have been much of an issue if the plot actually worked. It doesn't, because DQXI still lacks the elements needed to make such a story work. Good characters, exposition, an interesting villain.
Well put, I agree.
I don´t expect that everything is logic in a Fantasy RPG :)
And it´s still one of the best JRPG I´ve ever played
......I chose Gemma. Didn't know it was unpopular.
I choose Gemma too.
gemma gang
I have a weakness for the childhood friend romance trope lol
Luminary being imprisoned needed to happen. It was a temporal constant. He wouldn't have met Erik if he hadn't. That's why Chalky didn't warn him. He was still free to express guilt about it...
The only thing that made me scratch my head on first playthrough was the heroes breaking out of Jasper's chains before the final fight....what power was that? No matter how enjoyable the scene is it's sheer plot convenience that they were able to will themselves out of his chains to accompany you to the final fight. I only care so much because they could've easily NOT had a Jasper fakeout so this scene could take place but they didn't then opted to take the cheapest way out of what they wrote themselves into
The fighting tournament is a hot mess in general. Like you're supposed to be paired with jade and then rab says something and you're not, which is never explained.
In this case, it's probably that some people in Octagonia knew that Rab was a king.
Dumb thing #7
"Silent characters are different from emotionless characters"
What i mean?
Luminary is (apparently) very close to Gemma(Childhood friends, Gemma has a major crush on him, the entire village is waiting for them to get married, and they ship them together, also they're the only two kids in the village of their generation, the other kids are either too old or too young, so they can only relate to each other most of the time.) Well, soon after being sent to prison and escaped, Luminary goes back to his village, only to find it destroyed and everyone is missing, as far as i remember, Luminary and Erik believe that everyone died, including Gemma and Luminary's step-mother(the second person Luminary loves the most, if we exclude “grandpa” because he already died of old age a long time ago). So Luminary for the entire Act1, he is sure that everyone he ever loved is dead...but in ACT2 we learn that Hendrick managed to convince Jasper to just capture them and take them to prison and during the apocalypse caused by Mordegon, Luminary meets them again(at Last Bastion) and his reaction is the same reaction that a rock has when it learns that it won the lottery(Yeah, rocks don't have reactions, that's the joke XD). Luminary has a very mild nearly non-existent reaction, while at least Amber(the mom) and Gemma are in tears and sobbing, and they talk about how happy they are, but Eleven/Luminary? He doesn't even flinch!
Major fans of DQ's saga told me that it's a tradition, or it's iconic, or "Link from Legend of Zelda is the same and yet you don't complain about it!" and i explain why i don't complain about it:
Link even in older games, always had some degree of “indirect talking” we get to choose what he says(in BotW we can read what he says before "silently saying it"), we simply don't hear him say it, but we have him yelling and screaming when he fights, and we see him change facial expression: We see him happy, we see him sad, we see him angry and so on. It's not much, but it's still more than what we see in Dragon Quest games.
In Breath of the Wild, we learn why Link is so silent(at least that version of him): The weight of being the "hero", the fact that he is forced to be a knight, and that he must be the best one around because he is "the chosen from the Master Sword" and all these responsibilities stress him to the point that he simply goes silent and sticks to the role of a silent guardian of Princess Zelda(Zelda herself even gets mad about it in the flashbacks, until she starts to understand him, she learns that like her, he has a role, he doesn't like it just like her, but he reacts differently compared to her)
You(DQ's fan, who loves silent protagonists and doesn't want them to speak) can justify that the Luminary is the same but it's really not: Link spends several years with the knowledge that one day he will fight Ganon, and he prepares accordingly by constantly training, and serving Hyrule as a soldier...while Eleven learns about being THE luminary in the present, with his Grandpa's letter. Eleven spends his whole life believing he is a random kid with a weird birthmark on his hand. He trains enough to deal with weak monsters(or not even that, MAYBE, aside a few flashbacks about Eleven playing with Gemma or spending time with Amber we don't know much about his childhood). What i'm getting to is that Eleven/Luminary has no reasons to be silent, there is no trauma or stress to make him silence him.
I conclude by saying that i don't mind Silent Characters, i do mind(in a bad way) characters who are emotionless for no reason at all. Because personally, in ACT2 if I was the Luminary and i just learn that my mom and my "almost" girlfriend are alive, i would hug them for hours while in tears and making weird happy noises! ç_ç
Last Thing: Toriyama isn't good at writing stories, and it's even worse at writing romances. You can see it both in Dragon Ball, and Dragon Quest.
Chichi, Goku's wife, is more absent than Bulma, Goku's childhood friend(basically) during Dragon Ball Z.
Gemma, Luminary's (implied) canon romance, is more absent than Jade, Serena, and Veronica.
@@youtubeemployeesarestupid3464 i didn't know him, but thanks ^^
This game frustrates me. For one it's gorgeous to look at, it oozes charm, the voice acting is really solid (except for Michelle the mermaid who I wanted to strangle), good combat system, neat crafting system with the mini forge, and nice music. However as you pointed out, the silent protagonist just doesn't work in this day and age. they didn't even give him various facial expressions to go along with what was happening. He's the most important character in the game and yet he's just a shallow husk that walks around with the other characters, which is weird because when he goes back in time he meets his younger self who has a voice and talks. The story is interesting in some areas, and absolutely bored me to death in others
The first point about the two dialogue options I really noticed with Pokémon sword/shield too, but in that game both options are the same thing just rephrased!
game was perfect. Don't change anything... and make a bunch of new ones along these lines. I find the excessively overcomplicated RPGs of today are frustrating and annoying. This is relaxing and fun. This isn't a marriage simulator... and if it was, I wouldn't play it. The marriage thing was just a fun easter egg.... and it was fine.
But I'm totally with you in the giant spider/kidnapping thing.
I've read somewhere long ago that those Yes/No questions aren't really supposed to be actual choices, but a way to make the player stop for a second and notice that this is a point of no return or an important moment in the overall story.
If there were no pause in these moments, some players would go right through it without even noticing that a new character is in the party or that the status quo has changed.
Dragon Quest at least make these weird questions a bit funny by adding stupid dialogue when you choose the wrong answer.
1) I Agree, but this Is Just an opinion
2) Again it's a matter of taste
3) This Is not a plothole, it's a narrative device called soft magic system.It's when an event Is caused by the use of a magic Power that Is not limited by specific rules of the story and this gives It a mysterious vibe. In this case the luminary didn't voluntarily go back to the past. This mysterious Power of the luminary Just activated in that moment. Usually this Is used to give info dump like this(in fact it's used Again in this game for a similar reason) You May not like It, but it's not bad writing.
4) I Agree, but this Is really Just a nitpick
5) I agree
I never thought I’d hear you use the term, “Glowing Muscular Man” but I love it lmao
This list is a lit bit over-pedantic
I have loved dragon quest since I was a little kid but it's always good to acknowledge the flaws of a series no matter how much you love it.
i always saw the Yes/No question as a joke. At least for me was funny always picking no to see the reaction of your party xd
I thought they had some line in the Vince storyline about the spider screwing with his head to explain his guilt away. Am I remembering wrong?
I really need to finish this. I want to start over but every game I enjoy is like 100+ hours
my fav DQ channel, I'm looking forward to a second part!!!
I married Gemma and I did not regret it and I think that's the canon marriage because it's the only one where the Luminary and the marriage companion changed clothes for a wedding theme (in the case of Gemma)
About the time jump. He had to keep quiet about it because the hero's actions led to the time travel in the first place. So if he warned him he would make there no need for the time jump and a paradox would happen, destroying the universe by tearing apart the fabric of time itself.
He doesn't time travel. Is more like a mind-journey thing. His physical body goes nowhere and that's why Erik says the Hero was spacing out, like in a trance or something. I interpret it more like he contacted his adoptive grandfather in a dream or through a shared vision and that's how granpa knew he had to leave behind the letters and the keystone. We was using the World Tree root as a pshychic link to his grandfather in the past. The whole game explains over and over again how the Tree is the source of all souls, keeps the memories of everyone and the Hero is a chosen avatar to the powers of the World Tree. It may all sound over the top but it's fantasy, although the rules and laws of this world are explained plenty across the game. The marriage system I agree it's lazy and nonsensical but not the powers of the Luminary.
I dare you to make a video about: Dumb Stuff in DQ6, just don't do a drinking game to it, you won't make it through
Dude was legit feeding people to a spider and it never occurs to me how awful that is till I watch this video. The game’s lighthearted tone is that OP.
Here are some other dumb things.
In the battle against Alizarin, Alizarin shouts how the Luminary has returned. I mean at this point the Luminary and friends have already killed two of his Spectral Sentinals so did Mordegon not know already? How did he not know that two of his elites were already dead? Did he know and not tell him, if so that is a really bad idea.
Yggdrasil Leaves. OK so in the game there is a tree called Yggdrasil that is the source of all life on Erdrea, and its leaves represent people, if the leaf is destroyed a person dies. YET Yggrasil leaves can be used as items in order to revive people? Where do the leaves come from? When you use it does somebody die? This is somewhat contradicting lore.
Idk if I'm being dumb but also when ur in the ruined world with rab and grand master mordegon literally tries to kill you so how would he not know ur alive??
Also the entire tree pretty much exploded, and not everyone on the planet died, so I call bullshit.
To answer your questions:
1. They don't live in the modern world with cell phone, email, etc. So it is very likely that Mordegon just simply had no idea you had killed them as he assumed they were still performing their duties. Perhaps he had wondered why they hadn't checked in and would investigate soon (especially with the darkness leaving Heliodor he could probably see from his castle) However it is curious that Jasper who saw you right before the Tyriant fight didn't immediately go and inform all the other spectral sentinels that you were alive.
2. I think the leaves just represent a life and bloom any time a person is born but aren't literally the life force of that individual. If they were you'd have people dropping dead all the time randomly just because there was a storm that ripped some leaves off of Yggdrasil. Also people could commit murder just by plucking leaves which would be rather silly.
dont think items are canon
Have you played any of the earlier dragon quests? Lol. Really cool video, but some of your criticisms are just not appreciating the nostalgia of those quirks
The reason for chalky not changing the past is because those events must happen for the heroes journey to begin, if chalky told the hero that no matter what, he must stay in cobblestone then the world would be doomed. Atleast with his letter, he can apologise for what will eventually come to pass
Not really what I come to your channel for.
Regarding the time travel early in the game, it was the Yggdrasil root and not the hero doing that.
There are some more dumb things I noticed as well, such as the leap you take with Erik at the start of the game, and the power of friendship stuff at the end of Act 2.
When you escape Heliodor with Erik, you both take a leap off a cliff face and fall into a forest a hundred or so metres down. You both survive, thanks to believing in the power of the Luminary. What bothers me is how this power is never used again. Perhaps the power of friendship stuff I'll mention next is a repetition of this power, but it's not too clear.
When the Spectral Sentinels return to sneak snare the party, they are freed from the snares with the very strong faith they have with the Luminary. If this is that power, all is forgiven. What bothers me far more is how the Sentinels returned to do this in the first place... You killed them all except for Mia, who was redeemed. They all vanished into purple dust. How did they return? This is never explained, and no hint is provided later.
Maybe someone can help enlighten me on these things.
Bit late but: Those spectral sentinels weren't the real ones. Jasper summoned them just like the fake veronica. They had no substance.
Yeah, I had issues with Vince's outcome myself. Dude was partnering up with Pennywise's cousin and nothing happens to him.
Youre right about a lot of this, but it's still my favourite game!