Tommy Robinson - EDL and Publicity for Extremists
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Tommy Robinson is the co-founder and former spokesman and leader of the English Defence League (EDL) "street protest" movement, and also founded the European Defence League. For a short time in 2012 Robinson was joint Party Vice Chairman of the British Freedom Party. He led the EDL from 2009 until 8 October 2013, when he was persuaded to quit the organisation and to discuss alternative ways of tackling extremism with the think tank Quilliam.
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Tommy robinson must need to do something on the rising Islamic supremacy in europe
for a man who is not classed as an intellectual Tommy
he did so well to come here and explain the troubles so well well done sir
I miss the days when university students were able to listen to the views of others without having an emotional breakdown.
This is still so much better than in the US now.
Back when Oxford had courage and honesty.
what happend?
@@FM-dm8xj they brought "public figure and influencer" Mia Khalifa over.
@@basildon9008 ha go watch the latest debate by oxford students hyper emotional mentally unstable , no facts jusf fragile feelings
"No one is hated more than the man who tells the truth." - Plato
No one is hated more than a brainwashed liar.
@@jaralahadawe7423shame on you! so you call the children who are victims of abuse and gromming gangs liars ?? you are a very evil creature! #justiceforellie #groominggangs
Ole S. You want to come here and tell me, as a Muslim, that my religion teaches me to go and kill or mistreat women? Absolutely not, why lie when he has no shread of evidence that anywhere in Islam that we are told to do such things. Anyone who is attacked or groomed, be it muslim or non-muslim, it is wrong regardless! The issue is, this man seems to turn a blind eye when it comes to a non Muslim committing an act of terror or goes around grooming young innocent girls. Stop the double standards and generalising all muslims!
Bang on
thats why u hate islam right ?
I feel like everyone that asked a question didn't watch his hour long presentation..
Some of the college kids in the audience literally did not learn anything. The mental state of being an oppressed victim is so dangerous.
meanwhile real victims are imprisoned or pushed further down killing them slowly but surely...
sodapop I’m surprised they didn’t get tommy
@@Mijn24 actual Clear Eyed answer here.. Fight.. Fight this scum.. No gdmnd Jihad on my watch
Africa.. No sjw's.. No civil rights.
we is all ! on the same ground.
rwandaprivatesecurity.
johannesburg.SA.
they are so brainwashed its unreal!! white guilt is rampant!! muslims need to stop this radical shit, so in words, whites have to be quiet and say nothing and let these extremists do what they want,
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Tommy was the most articulate person throughout Oxfords Q&A. These are supposed to be the most intelligent and bright leaders of the future.
Indeed we need such leaders like him.
He was good but the most articulate Oxford speaker? Cmon
Just look at our so called leaders and where they come from, says it all.
Brave man to speak to truth when every elected politician and media outlet is against you... Well done Tommy
Yeah, back in the good old days of 2015
He a criminal thug for goodness sake.
@@susansantapola And your islam apologist for goodness sake. what time does the hubby pick you up from Muhammads house
@@susansantapolawhat a idiotic comment
Tommy, you are braver than anybody I know. You do have supporters who are proud of your stoicism.
He listens intently when the young muslim man is speaking. Surely this shows respect not racism.
First questioner: So you're blaming TR for divisions within Islam and lack of air time? Wow. That is a new low and truly delusional.
Guys, leave the questioners alone. The more direct the question, and the more TR is put on the spot, the greater the opportunity he has to prove himself, and if you support TR, this is something you should be embracing. The point of asking questions is to attempt to make the responder, in this case TR, feel uneasy and see if he can cope under pressure and respond to a specific stimulus without making contradictions. The questioner should never be blamed or accused or bullied, because all they are is, as I say, a stimulus.
I think Tommy handled that well. Given he couldn't say much because of what he calls the police double tiered system, let a/holes get away with it, while people who have a genuine concern about what is happening in their country, are prevented from exercising that right to protest. I mean they were not even allowed to visit that monument to the fallen without Tommy being arrested. They were not even allowed to welcome the soldiers home...what sort of country is Britain turning into...where is Richard the Lionheart , or even Maggie Thatcher when you need her...well we know she passed away years ago...but would be nice to have someone like her as PM. Right now, the ruling party, the Tories, are a made up of bunch of bloody cowards who could do more but afraid of the Muslims in their respective electorates...or afraid, more like it of losing the votes of those Muslims. But what is worse, Labour getting in at the next election, then elevating that loudmouth Muslim to the top job of PM...then after that, Britain will be cactus...well it just about is already. We don't want that crap down under but if we are not careful, our Labor party here will totally stuff Australia up as well.
Fair comment :) honestly it takes a little balls to listen to very tough questions, and more to be asked it personally on a public platform in person. Good on Tommy. I'm kinda left in the traditional sense too, I'm amazed how I could now be called far right, just for agreeing with the problems he's put forward here.
The questioner is not there to stimulate the speaker, the questioner is there to listen and ask questions in order to understand the speakers point of view and how, through dialog, conflicts can be resolved, and / or problems solved. To say the questioner's motives should not be examined implies interrogation. TR was not there to be interrogated, he was there to try to imply understanding....ie "Why" he has gotten to these conclusions, and asking the questioners "What would you do..."
I didn't agree with Tommy Robinson until watching him talk to the Oxford Union. Now I understand where he is coming from. I used to be a social worker and I've experienced the double standards of not being able to speak out about the abuse of girls by Muslim gangs. Explain where in his talk he is wrong?
I agree with this! The questioner in this case students are young and are looking for something to fight for like TR did in his youth, I hope one day these questioners will grow up, myself included, to be able to articulate ourselves and compose our thoughts to similar standard to TR and many other grate speakers. It's okay to be wrong as long as you can accept it and move on, calling them idiots isn't supporting their growth in society, telling them why they're idiots is a bit better, over a pint would do the trick.
This man is a legend
I wonder if the grooming gangs were preying on upper middle class girls from Eton would we see a different response...?
It's a shame that the young chap had to be extremely disingenuous towards the Stacie Dooley documentary. He tried to paint it as if she interviewed only extremists. She actually made a huge point of bringing all of the moderate Muslims to the forefront.
Unfortunately you see this a lot from Muslims. It immediately causes anyone who can see through the deceit to be dubious about everything else they have to say.
He also would have seen that she came from Luton and was alarmed how it was taken over by cretins who want to implement a law that is incompatible with British Culture, and Western values in general, and their attitude to British Police (who through fear are not up to dealing with those cretins). We don't want that attitude of Islam in any other western country. She has every right to wear those clothes...after all it is Luton, not Lutonstan, but it has become the latter sadly. Like Tommy said, it was only a snippet..the situation is worse than that sadly. The young lad is typical of the political correctness that wants to change the words of people like Tommy, and Katie Hopkins, and other patriots like them who speak the truth. People underestimate Tommy, he is a very articulate intelligent man, who's one care is for his country, but before that, the safety of his family and other families of Britain...everyone in Britain has the right to be safe against people who through what ever way they can, want to destroy Britain...give them too much chance and that WILL happen.
crap then and crap now
Massive respect to Tommy🇬🇧
Can listen to this man all day, everything he says is true
2018 Rahman is a disgraced Councillor in Tower hamlets and what this guy is talking about is true
Well said tommy. This really is a clash of cultures. Like most race issues the authorities placate and deny , until the problem explodes.
I see a brilliant man. One definition of "hero" is probably someone who sees alarming evidence for something and then dedicates his life to doing what he can about it.
So-called ordinary or good muslims wouldn't dare to speak against extremists, unfortunately.
Because they ALL follow the same teachings of Mohammad.
@@FallenAngel-he5kowhose true teachings are love and peace like all religions
@@ddrliverpool7297 oh what a crock of shiite
Their should been at very start
@@ddrliverpool7297 Really M8 ITS Freighten these Grooming Gangsters IN UK Committed by Islamic Fckers Than Any Other Groups IN UK Statistics People
When a woman in Hijab judges other woman in other clothes, it looks like no one has a problem.
Stop talking shit. Women(non-muslim) judge each other all the time. A lot of humans judge each other all the time. Do not target one specific group just because you don't like them.
Tommy the truthful, Tommy the brave!
Tommy Robinson Legend
Manners maketh the man......
Yeah, I also was born in Tower Hamlets and never saw a nicab until just after 9/11. Then the whole area became a batman convention.
Batman convention 😂😂😂
Look, we all have good wishes here. Questioner and Tommy both. But imo the questioners perspective is crazy off the mark. Tommy is trying to show how whole communities are having horrible times.
If the Harvard kids don't help the working class. They will fall and lose it all. Only then will they look into the distance "damn... Tommy was right, we needed working class people to have a nice enough time in their country."
Isn't that how many societies fall? Those in power, with great wealth, cease listening and acting on the concerns of those without and eventually sheer numbers wins. (But, with mob rule, things get very, very nasty, the French Revolution being a case-in-point.)
The idea that some people are just working class is bullshit, if your working class you can just study and work more effectively.
Big RESPECT for Tommy Robinson from Germany 👍✝️ ⛪ 🇩🇪
Tommy is a hero. A hero. A hero.
C. M. Felos you’re a dumbass. Man’s a islamophobe. My friends are islam. I don’t see anyone in their family wearing bomb vests walking through my town centre, because they’re not like this
Freshman Junior shut up 🤐 you chump
? You can shut up aswel ya chump
Tommy Robinson is a much more accomplished orator these day's and it looks as if his thoughts at that time, 5yrs ago now, sound so utterly prophetic and in 30 hours we will see if he has become the MEP for the North West, he was the bookies favourite :)
Tommy Robinson you are a visionary. I have followed you only through 2024, and I’m amazed at your clarity and heartfelt rationale. I am 70 years old,and have listened all my life to people of vision and commitment, but you my friend, are a beautiful man
The best speech in history.
In 2003/4 my friend had an office IN the SAME building as a mosque in Whitechapel. The people in the mosque were LOVELY!! Really nice people and they were not being two faced. Really. Yet outside there were people driving around with Jihad bumper stickers on their cars!! Confused the f*~k out of me🤨 Kinda illustrated his point.....
Common sense right there. Good on you Tommy 👌👍
Facts spoken in advance of its time, no one listened
Tommy is a hero.
TOMMY ROBINSON I A HERO GOOD BLESS
I lived in Tower Hamlets for 2 years
And I got a level of respect . I was living in a hostel for EX Military Personnel all from different countries AND back grounds .. I GOT NO TROUBLE MATE
This question is victim blaming if ever there was victim blaming
Does Islam teach that a woman is worth less than a man?
Absolutely. The only debatable point is by what degree.
Quran Sura Verse RE: Women
Quran (4:11) - (Inheritance) "The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females" (see also verse 4:176). In Islam, sexism is mathematically established.
Quran (2:282) - (Court testimony) "And call to witness, from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not found then a man and two women." Muslim apologists offer creative explanations to explain why Allah felt that a man's testimony in court should be valued twice as highly as a woman's, but studies consistently show that women are actually less likely to tell lies than men, meaning that they make more reliable witnesses.
Quran (2:228) - "and the men are a degree above them [women]"
Quran (5:6) - "And if ye are unclean, purify yourselves. And if ye are sick or on a journey, or one of you cometh from the closet, or ye have had contact with women, and ye find not water, then go to clean, high ground and rub your faces and your hands with some of it" Men are to rub dirt or water on their hands to purify themselves, following casual contact with a woman (such as shaking hands).
Quran (24:31) - Women are to lower their gaze around men, so they do not look them in the eye. (To be fair, men are told to do the same thing in the prior verse).
Quran (2:223) - "Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will..." A man has dominion over his wives' bodies as he does his land. This verse is overtly sexual. There is some dispute as to whether it is referring to the practice of anal intercourse. If this is what Muhammad meant, then it would appear to contradict what he said in Muslim (8:3365).
Quran (4:3) - (Wife-to-husband ratio) "Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four" Inequality by numbers.
Quran (53:27) - "Those who believe not in the Hereafter, name the angels with female names." Angels are sublime beings, and would therefore be male.
Quran (4:24) and Quran (33:50) - A man is permitted to take women as sex slaves outside of marriage. Note that the verse distinguishes wives from captives (those whom they right hand possesses).
Hadith and Sira
Sahih Bukhari (6:301) - "[Muhammad] said, 'Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?' They replied in the affirmative. He said, 'This is the deficiency in her intelligence.'"
Sahih Bukhari (6:301) - continued - "[Muhammad said] 'Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?' The women replied in the affirmative. He said, 'This is the deficiency in her religion.'" Allah has made women deficient in the practice of their religion as well, by giving them menstrual cycles.
Sahih Bukhari (2:28) & Sahih Bukhari (54:464) - Women comprise the majority of Hell's occupants. This is important because the only women in heaven mentioned explicitly by Muhammad are the virgins who serve the sexual desires of men. (A weak Hadith, Kanz al-`ummal, 22:10, even suggests that 99% of women go to Hell).
Sahih Bukhari (62:81) - "The Prophet said: "'The stipulations most entitled to be abided by are those with which you are given the right to enjoy the (women's) private parts (i.e. the stipulations of the marriage contract).'" In other words, the most important thing a woman brings to marriage is between her legs.
Sahih Bukhari (62:58) - A woman presents herself in marriage to Muhammad, but he does not find her attractive, so he "donates" her on the spot to another man.
Sahih Muslim (4:1039) - "A'isha said [to Muhammad]: 'You have made us equal to the dogs and the asses'" These are the words of Muhammad's favorite wife, complaining of the role assigned to women under Islam.
🏴 Sir Tommy Robinson 🏴
🏴 -sir- Dumbass Tommy Robinson 🏴
? Shut up 🤐 dimwit
At about 4.45 he nails what was to pass this last week with BLM in London. Oh what irony
He is not wrong
FREE TOMMY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the title reads "EDL and Publicity for Extremists" Shouldn't everyone have a platform? its up to the individual to listen and form their own opinion instead of being dictated to. I am centre politics but i find the Left in society are far more extreme than those that are referred to as being right wing
How are these kids going to Oxford...
They give scholarships to non white students
Watching in 2023 while the gov and police lose control over protests.
Well said mate!!!!!!!
The Koran is far right NOT Tommy.
You spelt it wrong firstly and if that was the case, wouldn’t every non Muslim be eliminated right now , oh wait not everyone’s bin laden and part of a stupid isis group that says they kill in the name of Islam lmao sure, Islam strictly says no killing , kill the pagans at war! Okay at war!! Don’t try and tell me different cuz boy I been knowing you’ve not even tried to read the Quran, read whatever u want online okay
That first guy goes to Oxford?
HOW CAN ANYONE ARGUE AGAINST THE TRUTH, I KNOW YOU CAN MOCK EVERYONE ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY INVOKE THE WORD "GOD" BUT PLEASE, DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH XXX
Tommy ,your one in a million . So the saying goes. But you ain’t, there’s more who think like you TEN fold. Respect ,mick wombourne.
Tommy is such a brave man to stand up and tell the world what is happening ,,, Respect Sir 🙏
when was tower hamlets muslim..this is England not pakistan
Holy cow. This guy seems to have more brains than just about any talking head on tv worldwide.
Blaming the defenders !! Proper of the terrorism, blaming the victim, blaming the defenders.. outrageous
Superb
I like that suit.
Nah, unless you're being sarcastic.
this young man from tower hamlets is so lucky to be in a university like oxford, who sounded quiet intelligent to a point, I can assure you he must be the only one. Raman the mayor of tower hamlets a crook and got bard from being a Councillor in tower hamlets for corruption goes to show it happens in all councils
History will remember Tommy Robinson well. As every day passes he is proved right.
Spot on…!!!!
where is the mention that the mainstream media constantly had anjam choudry on television as the so-called Muslim expert at every opportunity
The greatest living man in Britan today. Kepp it going, Tommy. Britan is behind you 100%
FFS how long does that lad at the start bang on for...just ask a question and don't cry about it.
This young kid is a fool. Where are the Muslim speakers? Where are they when Anjem Choudhary spews his hate?
The Left seem to be a bit quiet in the comments section.
You would wonder whom are the intellectuals here, ??
Jewell znacie m
It seems that nothing much has changed in these 8 years
Mate get to the question
TR is very clever and almost prophetic as we can see today
Tommy spent an hour re-living his experiences, showing actual proof, and yet it's like most of them in the room didn't here a thing he said?
I have asked lots of questions all been not expected by utube extremely annoying...
One of them being why only now gone on my algorithm after election. Also why can't the big tec companies show your individual number of watching of views
One day in the future these kids asking the questions and i say kids because as yet they have no real life experience will look back at this video and ask themselves how they got it so wrong, they will be angry for being lied to and will be incensed to how gullible they where back then yet believing they had above intelligence compared to the average person their age because they went to oxford. Are they in for one hell of a rude awakening when that penny drops.
Tommy you warned every w and now look in 2023 were done for
this very naive kid harped on about Anjem Choudry being the face of islam and the "moderates" being shut out. Not a long time ago, at the time of 9/11 it was Anjem Choudry that was interviewed as a moderate by the BBC! And indeed he did ACT like a moderate, until people like Tommy and other sceptics looked into his views. Which leads people to question the imams today which claim to be "moderate". If the BBC can get it THAT wrong, anyone can, leaving us in a situation where any imam or moderate is doubted
How about someone like me who is a Muslim and practice Islam peacefully who is minding his own business and not showing you any sign of my religion
unfortunately that doesnt negate the violent totalitarian nature of the very doctrine of islam. Indeed Muhammed ACTED peacefully when weak and sheltered by the qurash tribe i believe but upon his return with forces they were annihalated for refusing to acknowledge his prophethood. That doesnt inspire confidence in people who claim to be peaceful muslims now does it?
@@playasurf1000
All the violence you mentioned was also. In Christianity
@@playasurf1000
Show me a violence in Islam ?
If you want talk about 9/11
Then you better get ready to talk about Afghanistan,Iraq Syria Yemen and Libya
Oh i'm talking about the very core of the religion, not individuals. Asma bint marwan muhammad ordered her killed because she criticised him and mocked him in poem(along with her infant child), 800 men of the quraish tribe beheaded(some personally by muhammed) because they would not recognise him as a prophet, the women taken as sex slaves BY MUHAMMAD, the chieftain having a fire set on his chest BY MUHAMMAD because he wouldnt reveal where the riches of the tribe were(greed). And this is your perfect example of man to be emulated? He was a terrible man, greedy, lustful and used religion to further his own selfish desires. Now lets talk about jesus :)
Amjun Chowdry is a proper Muslim, unfortunately
Am a farmer ur bread comes off my back
Everybody else's fault isn't it young man
Good question from ther lad. However, everyone in this country has the right to protest against things they disagree with and if no one points something out, it could go unchecked and unnoticed. This is why everyone, regardless of cause should always be able to non violently protest. I would go as far as saying it's our duty to protest and inform, so we as citizens can start to understand others points of view and possible make better decisions ourselves.
Poor little tomeh. A luvs tomeh and me und owa marlon spent all us benifits to elp im. A luv me cunitri. Ingerland! Duuuuur!!!
TOMMY IT WILL END WHEN THE LORD GOD DEALS WITH ISLAM AND THE WHOLE WORLD and very soon now. islam then shall be the terrified ones then for God shall deal with them in his wrath.
Dialogue and unity only way to move forward
you can have better dialogue with a wall than those who have influence or do the radicalization or politicans. not gonna happen peacefully because by now it's clear their intent is malicious.
Saudi offers huge help not protestor
Take back your country
The phrase used means Allah is Greater, not God is great. It means that Allah is greater than the Christian God, The Jew's God.
Ohh god these young people are so lost.
The persecution complex these MusIims suffer from is nauseating.
@ Uthman, the collector of
the Quran according to Islam
there's no hope judging by the questions coming from these kids. No hope.
One of the problems that Robinson had at the time that is not so prevalent today, but he does not mention, is the extent to which the excesses of his organizations and others are due to the elites abandoning his particular people and issues. He cleaned up, practiced his speech, spoke well. But where was the guy in tweed with the posh Oxford accent who should have been making the case for him in reports, on TV, in Parliament, so that people like him could get on with his life? When you demonize the opposition, the people who are most sensitive to social ostracism bow out and they leave a just cause to the efforts of uneducated or working class people and disreputable people like football hooligans who do things in their own way, which will involve fists thrown and awful chanting. This would not have happened if somebody had taken responsibility, from among the elites, to see these issues resolved or never appear in the first place.
Commenting only regarding this video. I do not follow Tommy Robinson, so I do not know if he still has these views, whether he's been radicalised to the far right or not, it's hard to tell with all the propaganda the mainstream media publishes to silence people who are critical of this violent religion.
I understand where the young lad is coming from, but what is his (or other like him) solution to it? Trying to reason with the council and the police clearly didn't work in Tommy's case and the extremist problem still kept growing, so while I agree that EDL may have fanned the flames a bit, I truly believe that it's the mainstream media who spread propaganda and painted EDL as racist, white supremacists that are the real culprit to the division between muslims and non muslims. Doing nothing won't fix the problem, as Tommy has said EDL was a symptom of the problem not the cause of it. Revolutions start when suffering people are ignored and problems aren't fixed. I hope that it doesn't come to a violent revolution, but I have to agree with the 70% who think that a civil war is likely when growing issues are largely ignored.
It's just sad racists who are scared of anyone who aren't exactly like them that are the problem.
Why is this a promoted video? Why the fuck am I being to encouraged to watch this in the name of ‘free speech’?
Can’t answer one question with good logic.
This man is very stupid of people are people and travelled to many these places, the people lovely 😍, you dont understand why they risked there lifes for help because us and uk stoped aid and doctors to these wars zones the the un declared horrific
you have to point out the issue, and when ignored make it so people cant ignore the issue as they had been, moreover if he hadn't done what he did they wouldn't be having this chat now? as they would just be ignoring it, letting them self govern themselves to solve the problem? well that worked so well so far, if that worked we wouldn't have an issue, or need laws,... moreover i guess its not an issue if you refuse to see it ?
mind it is good to see his logic on these points as in true democratic style its showing how wrong the propaganda is by giving him his voice and not letting someone speak for him.
you see this on the dogma questions based highly on assumption with pre deispenced premise of someone else's opinion rather than drawing their own conclusion from his actual point of view.
Tommy has really aged a lot
This little man needs to pull his trouses up and stop crying 😂 and before you say i know nothing ive rubed shoulders with top white shark boys and factions in bradford, they are fighting in blind fiath that hurt more that there old crusades!
what a lovely ring and watch your wearing, from the donations pot again stephen ?
I admire Tommy in lots of ways but the kid here has a point- groups like the english defence league probably do make things worse- it doesn't do much to inspire dialogue.
I think he's a little gobshite who's never had a real job, myself, but if young English speaking muslims are being radicalised, if ideas are being put in their head, I don't think it's from their Arabic speaking mosques, I think it's from their our speaking news sources showing them everything, glorifying it even. The media does the same with violent crime, it normalises it, and gives the public all of the details they need to imitate it. How many "rippers" have there been? Acid attacks? Nobody learns this in school, they copy it from what they see in the news.
I think it's a bigger issue than the, what, 200 terror deaths and 100 or so sloppily executed attempts over 20 years since the start of the war on terror -which is statistically insignificant, but gets a lot of attention, because it's easy for politicians to get the public to support them to "defeat terrorist" shepherds in countries that can't possibly hurt us, arguing about immigrants always gets them support, and there's always another general election where they'll need it.
Funny how we don't seem to be concerned about how the Islamic Extremists might radicalize the Christians. Careful, or they might be motivated to have a Potluck dinner... 😀
Plays victim card.
Is unsuccessful.