Home Grown Food Is Worse For Environment than Agriculture?
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- This article has really kicked up a stink. Some were suggesting some nefarious agenda of the science but that seems highly unlikely.
There are some useful takeaways from the journal article but the headline in the Telegraph (which is the only part many people read) is disingenuous.
The only part in the article I found surprising was the suggestion that “recycled materials” should be used. I don’t think I’ve seen anything else ever used on UK allotment sites!
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Me in jail.
Cellmate' what you in for ?'
Me: growing cauliflower for me gran
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"growing cauliflower"
Your cell mate would probably be me.
My type of "urban grown flowers" already land lots of people in nick.
Free the flowers ..!! (And the growers ..!!)
I could massively cut my carbon footprint if I didn't have to grow them in the dark.
You'll be in jail growing wholesome food for the local elite as a slave.
@bakedbean37 @bakedbean37 that is such a wonderful thought...all us Gardners in jail....imagine the jail gardens be amazing!..would be a different place, grow the highest vines up the walls. Mate you could turn the basebetball court into the flower court and I'll do a run of cauliflower along the barbwire fence line.🌱🌻
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I’m afraid I as a gardener myself will take their headline very seriously and will now do no gardening whatsoever. I may even give all my money to them to thank them for making it so blatantly clear they know best. I’m also a very very avid reader of the mail online who employ five year olds to spell check most of their article headlines. Now I think…and it’s only me thinking this that papers are full of absolute lovey stuff and when I say stuff I mean pointless crap.
😂 exactly.
Bill gates came up with that one lol
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Whaaat? You aren't really suggesting that the papers actually have no idea what they are talking about? But it's the daily mail. That can't be right? Right?...
Is it the lack of pesticides, fungicides, herbicides, nutritionally depleted soils and not to mention GMOs that cause an increase in carbon emissions from domestically produced foods?
Thank you to the sponsors, for the unbiased, thorough and holistic Telegraph article; Monsanto et al?!
Best concrete my garden over and let someone further down the hill deal with the resulting cumulative rain water run off.
Exactly. 😏💯👍
Another issue that rarely gets mentioned regarding emissions from agriculture is the total carbon cost doesn't get added to that sector. The food industry is becoming more centralised and even locally grown food has an increasing carbon cost in transport .
As an example I can buy locally grown cauliflowers in my local supermarket, which sounds great for the planet.
But they are freighted over 200 miles to a supermarket distribution centre and freighted back.
In most statistical calculations this carbon isn't added to to the agricultural sector, but to the transport sector.
Likewise, the manufacture of artificial fertilizers, which uses large amounts of natural gas to manufacture (Haber Bosch process) gets added to the industrial manufacturing sector not agrkiculture.
It sounds very similar to the way that countries calculate their emissions. They pass on their consumption to the country of manufacture.
Where i work the company used to have lease cars available for employees. The company has a commitment to reduce ITS carbon emissions, so only leases hybrid electric or pure electric vehicles. This is of course quite expensive for the company. The company has now rolled back its lease car scheme but is dressing it up as the company reducing its carbon emissions further. The people who work there don't get paid enough to afford hybrid or electric vehicles without company assistance and so drive vehicles that pollute more than the lease cars would have. So the company looks good because ITS carbon budget has been reduced as it's not leasing as many cars, but the reality is that the employees are now polluting more. How carbon budgets are calculated is, to quote @tecmow4399, bullsh.
Great to see people going and reading the actual paper. Just really poor journalism on the part of the telegraph
The headline is so annoying! And they know many people only read that. Made worse by the fact that any clarifying details are behind a paywall
Poor journalism … yes it’s called controlled narrative …
Never let accuracy get in the way of a good story...
As someone who lives in Michigan, when I got to the grocery store, a lot of the produce there (especially now in winter) has been trucked from Mexico. The carbon footprint of shipping food thousands of miles surely outweighs building a couple of raised beds.
You would think. I didn’t scrutinise how they came up with the figure so I can’t really make that case. It just seems a bit of an irrelevance anyway. It’s like having a $150 000 car on finance, a $2 000 000 house and thinking you’re stretching yourself financially because you drink a fancy coffee once a week
So, are you saying that you can grow food in Michigan in raised beds in winter ?
True. You would need polytunnels, probably heated. There’s clearly a cost involved whichever way you do it. But I think it’s a red herring to even focus on it
@@dnomyarnostaw certain crops we can, winter hardy vegetables and others that are frost resistant.
@hrodanieg1823 With a lot of care and protection, but nowhere near enough to provide for all.
I could tell the Torygraph article was a bad joke. I live in a city in a small home with a big yard. I have a chicken coop and a duck house built out of pallets. I have chestnut and hazelnut trees, a vegetable garden, and fruit orchard. But I guess the Torygraph expects me to stop eating home grown food, dig up my fruit and nut trees, and cover my yard in lawn or ornamental plants. No thanks, if growing food in my own yard is truly a carbon problem, I must ask, did they actually look at the carbon footprint of what it takes to grow and ship all that food to processing and market, plus the chemicals used in agriculture? It sure looks like they didn't bother to consider that.
Tomatoes are often grown in greenhouses that are heated - and also often have large amounts of the super-deadly greenhouse gas Carbon Dioxide pumped into them to increase growth rates. And all to produce varieties of tomatoes that for the most part taste absolutely disgusting to anyone that grows their own.
Water weight and shelf life! Exactly, most of them taste of not much at all
The paper cited actually specifies Tomatoes and Asparagus as far more eco friendly to grow as a home gardener than commercial agricultural farmer. Tomatoes because growing them en mass like u said in greenhouses are terribly inefficient and Asparagus because the fuel emissions from transport due to the short shelf life eclipses the carbon footprint of any home grown varieties
I used a TON of recycled materials to built my garden. To start I use half gallon plant milk containers as for pots to start my tomatoes and peppers indoors. My raised beds were built with wood from a pool deck I tore down. Compost all happens on site, I sometimes take other people's leaf bags to add to it. But so many garden products sold in home center are absolute garbage and shouldn't be sold. For trellises I used cattle panels that will outlast me, tomato cages I made out of sidewalk remesh and they're going on 10 years now! Rainwater from my roof goes into a cistern to help when we have droughts so I'm not using the township's water supply. The list goes on, i also plant lots of native berries and other trees for the wildlife. If we need to focus on something it should be lawns, I know most countries have a loving relationship with them but there's something truly bad for the planet.
Exactly the focus is totally misplaced!
Good on ya for making such a great garden
Thanks - that was a really thoughtful and fair video. It's an example of the pernicious stupidity of legacy media; fortunately unknown to, ignored or deemed irrelevant by the younger generations of future gardeners. Go grow something, kids!
Thank you. Exactly, no real surprise younger people are ignoring it more and more, you’re absolutely right
Yeah... The earth's problem is gardening and farting cows. 🙄
Thank you! 💚
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Actually, cows belch and not fart.
@@timbookedtwo2375Don't they do both? 🙂
It’s not the cows that are the problem it’s modern intensive factory farming. Cows, pigs & chickens must keep the antibiotic industry in business, & of course this affects us through the food chain. Before mankind took over the planet there must have been millions of wild buffalo etc roaming about. I’m sure they were all farting & beltching 😂
@@susanross1651 My point exactly. 👍
In addition to not caring in the least about carbon emissions one way or another since it's all BS, and believing that we humans truly are the carbon they want to reduce, to eliminate, or at least control through manufactured famine conditions, I would like to say thank you as a new subscriber to your channel for making such a sensible video for these crazy times. Cheers from Canada.
A recent study has shown evidence that during the Jurassic period dinosaurs had allotments.
This is evident by the fact that the carbon ppm in the atmosphere during the Jurassic period was around double what it is today, so therefore either...
a) Dinosaurs drove SUV's or
b) Dinosaurs grew vegetables
However as dinosaurs lacked the hand/eye coordination to drive the conclusion is that they grew vegetables.
Thank you for bringing to light the cause of the last mass extinction 😌🙏
They also presumably farted, & prob'ly A LOT!! Interesting, though, how no scientists talk abt dino farts like they do cow farts...
ngl, i havent heard of this article and if i saw this article title on my feed i'd probably have just categorized it as "clickbait" and moved on with my life bc i find the idea already absurd.
but i admire that you did a lot of research on this, and how you did not teach us how to be pirate by clicking that link in the description so that we can read up on the article and the study itself. kudos and my praises to you, sir.
you presented your thoughts and all the needed information so beautifully that all i can do is sigh and ask how you can be so good to look at and be so eloquent at the same time?
*sigh*
*fangirls away*
Thank you so much for the very high praise!
It’s 100% clickbait. It’s really annoying. My hope is that people become more insulated to this kind of nonsense as a result. Next time this sort of thing can get the silence treatment
But gardening helps insects, birds, wildlife and natural diversity - and home composting is the ultimate recycling system. Having a bee hive is an awesome idea. They overlook all these things.
And I don’t even think the premise is even valid. Gardening has sooo many benefits as you said 👏
I saw the headline. Thought; what pish. Was curious but because of the paywall just let it go. Thanks for sharing, it’s good to understand the real story. Although, it leaves me sad because we are amazing and the possibilities of what we could do are endless, and yet this waste of time and effort on strategic misrepresentation is the result of the system it seems impossible to break out of.
My hope is that it galvanises people to push back hard against this nonsense. Otherwise I’d treat it with the silence it deserves. You’re so right, we have the ability to do so much better ❤️
Sod all pay walls! Thanks to this RUclipsr for his information. 👍
As a urban planner, I will make sure to let it be known that this study actually highlights these ’urban farms’ need to be on permanent or at least long term sites, infrastructure built from reuse / recycled / upcycled sources. And that the ’morale’ benefits will always be net positive for society.
I feel so pleased that this helped get some of the positive messages to the people who can help make a difference 😊
I figured there was more to this than the headlines show. My experience of gardening for many decades is that tons of carbon have been deposited in my yard adding almost a foot of new soil. Now I am looking to move and it will be interesting to see how it can be moved.
Yes definitely much more to it that the headlines were pedalling.
So rewarding to see the impacts of your efforts like that 😊
@@tecmow4399 mainstream media is all about pushing the narrative of their sponsors. It is up to us to find the truth.
Not at all surprising that a newspaper misreports science.
Par for the course
I heard about this on another channel and appreciated your deep dive into it. Suffice it so say this "urban gardener" has staked out most of her backyard in all kinds of veggies and is loving it! In fact, loving it so much I have increased my raised beds by 40 percent and as the world falls off a cliff plans to keep on enjoying my garden until the end. Cheers!!
The YT channel "Gardening in Canada" paid for the article so we could see it. She did a video on it.
My little (9m x 6m) garden is urban, plus a couple metal raised beds that I've used for years and will continue to use for many more years.
I plant garlic (from my own harvest of bulbs) every autumn. I also grow peppers, tomatoes, bush beans, kale, carrots, squash, chard, daikon radish, onions, and whatever else I'd like to try. When we bought our home in 2006, I planted apple and pear trees, which now bear abundant fruit. We also started a raspberry patch and planted two haskap bushes. We basically turned a lawn into a mini food forest. We let a portion of the back garden naturalize, and it is a haven for pollinators. I plant pole beans and morning glories for the hummingbirds and bees. I have 2 compost piles, and I gather rain water. I'm a full-time RN, and our little garden helped maintain my sanity over the past few years. The years of covid and everything that came with it broke many healthcare workers.
Just yesterday, I started some hot peppers and Geranium Kiss dwarf tomatoes.
The goof who wrote that article has proven that education and intelligence are two entirely different things.
That sounds wonderful! Yes I’ve been and seen her video on it and I’ve learned a lot from her channel in the past. She’s great!
The goof who wrote the article regularly starts his articles with an alarmist tone. I think he gets rewarded for the clickbait stuff he writes
What a load of B/S. I will continue to garden and feed myself.
''Leave it to farmers'' (who are now, all over europe protesting that the eu and governments are putting them out of business)....
Good point 😂
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There is a very good argument that this Co2 problem isn't a problem at all. But a tool to keep us prolls in line by the elite!
I don’t buy that tbh but it’s certainly elites contributing to effects in a far more meaningful way
That's just conspiracy theories.
There's a very good argument that the petrochemical companies are spreading misinformation among the public about the role of CO2 to preserve their profits ...
Not just in line but poorer and less healthy
Yeah mother nature is intelligent balance is nature's game.
"“Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” I am talking about the newspaper here...
If only they didn’t know what they were doing 😂
Father can forgive them. I just ignore them.
They know exactly what they are doing. They are greedy entitled and evil.
My tomatoes I grow get picked straight from the plant growing in the ground and walked 100 ft to the house where they get washed , cut and tossed in a salad . The same goes for the beets, squash , pumpkins , garlic , chives, peppers and asparagus . Our fertilizer comes from cows . The water comes from rain .
Sounds wonderful! Nothing beats that feeling of watching the miracle of food coming to literal fruition
You don't need an article to know this is a load of brap
True
The world economy forum are actually pushing this
I just think the lack of talk on agricultural methods and focus on "conventional" vs "urban" is very telling for telegraph. (not a fault of the scientific article! It mentions there's a lot of variance and the data is hard to do much with, but that does bring into question just how much we can learn from focusing on this one variable)
What about algae blooms, runoff, soil depletion, monoculture & genetic issues, etc.? What about the alternatives of lawns, xeriscapes, managed native plant habitats, etc.? What do they produce, not just in carbon, but in benefits for the people & ecosystems around them? Importantly: How do they tie into the systems around them? Where does the water come from, and the nutrients?
For the oh-so important carbon footprint of transportation: Are we using trucks? Trains? Airplanes? Where are materials coming from in the first place?
I don't like sounding pedantic and like "This means absolutely nothing", but the framing is just all kinds of off. It's a basic economy of scale argument while ignoring the complexities and acting as if the systems around it are unchangeable & fine as they are. Expecting a cookie cutter solution to everything that neatly fits in with pre-existing abstractions without question is foolish. Don't even get me started on how many different ways I've seen farmers treating their land, as if larger scales are free of inefficiencies & poor decisions. Many I would trust with my life and the nature around me. Many I would absolutely not.
If we should avoid urban gardening because it's costly, I'd really love to see less green non-native lawns in the middle of a desert getting sprayed down & all sorts of things.
Can't even eat the dandelions & "weeds" at that point.
I agree, it’s a very narrow focus. So many other benefits to a garden. The outcome is to say “reuse more”. Of all the people I know the gardeners are generally best at recycling various bits and pieces to make new structures.
Like you said also, gardens are important habitat. Totally with you
the greens used to tell you to grow your own food
There isn’t any problem with growing your own food
Now the greens want us to just die which is very eco friendly
I have a video about 'earthing' and it's enormous benefit for inflammatory illnesses,
in my queue. So that is another nod to satying out of hospital through gardening.
Thank you so much for making this video. The first vid I watched was all reactionary and sad.
So I nearly didn't watch this one, so glad I did and I'd love to send a hug to the Grad student who wrote his dissertation on the subject. We used old telephone poles in our community garden, they were being replaced just as we were breaking soil, so that was a great fit.
If you can save money in obtaining recycled stuff, for the owners of the product, it's usually a win, win. I have heard that eating in season from locally grown foods is best for us.
You’re welcome and thank you for the kind words. I’ve always known gardeners to be very resourceful like that too. Always coming up for innovative uses for waste products and learning from each other. That’s part of the fun and what makes it so good for the soul IMO
small scale gardening is very helpful for the planet because it gives pollinators a place to multiply. commercial grown food often comes with the cost of pesticides and lack of crop diversity
Exactly! There are so many benefits to it
Most home gardeners won’t read this as too busy sowing seeds (which incidentally Billy Goat Gates tried to monopolise and replace with F1 seeds in places like India as well as buying up massive amount of farms in US), planting and generally keeping healthy … can’t have that can we …
So long as you continue enjoying gardening I’m happy
There are many competing factors:
1. growing your own food is a good habit to be in as you can control the chemicals used.
2. Growing food in warm countries and shipping to others probably is better than heated greenhouses in UK. Transporting food has been unfairly demonised, and is good for the foreign economies.
3. Food/pharma companies (and WHO!) want to control the food chain.
Good book is "locavore dilemma".
The food you grow at home is 5 times healthier than food you get at the store
A good way of looking at it
Like a garden, we take care of our homes by using chemicals to keep it clean, redecorating to update it, tending to the endless jobs which attention via a trip to B&Q. All the things you need to buy to run a household, run a car, even keeping yourself clothed and washed is going to be a cost to the environment.
Probably most gardeners grow food because it’s how they like to spend their free time, others may prefer to have foreign holidays, which of course is no contest when it comes to carbon footprints.
You explained that very clearly 🙏Gardening often gets scrutinised for its environmental impact as a hobby. In lots of ways that’s a good thing. It results in industry change like moving away from peat. But like you said, the bigger picture is that it’s unlikely to be the main culprit when it comes to putting the climate in jeopardy.
I was so angered by that article when it came out that I complained to the Telegraph about the abysmal quality of journalism involved (I used my university subscription to read the article - never would have paid!). Thanks for putting your analysis out there!
You’re welcome and thank you
The entire discussion of carbon emissions has gone from questionable to ridiculous to flat out insane. I don’t question the science, but I question the scientists and the journalists who report this nonsense.
It does seem a pointless exercise tbh. It like looking for savings on your smallest monthly outgoing
Yep. Let's not be fair and do the numbers on a garden that's been there for years. Let's face it. Most people who want a garden have a garden. They have had since 2020.😊
Interesting how it’s been interpreted in the article. Not concentrating on the health and social benefits. A narrow interpretation….phew…don’t have to hang up my gardening gloves just yet 😂
“Social” is only ever interpreted by the telegraph as being a party in a private members club!
@@tecmow4399 😂😂😂
Also if you look at the water that is already hitting your yard and you use garden waste
I can count my gardening years in decades now, and hopefully will for a bunch more, so any carbon cost of equipment and sheds is spread over many years, and of course my FAVOURITE hobby is skip diving for allotment freebies 😊, so saving a whole bunch of stuff from landfill ♻️
I have changed how I use my allotment and don't have a bonfire anymore, I feel sorry for the allotment neighbours who have to put up with the smoke every single winter.. (any twigs that can't be composted or used for plant supports or put at the base of raised beds now gets taken to the tip where it will get shredded).
That’s one of the things I didn’t check in the study but it struck me as strange. Every allotment I’ve ever been to, the structures are almost exclusively made from recycled materials. So I’m not sure whether that was accounted for or not.
Thanks for the lovely comment and keep gardening 😊
Consider turning your wood scraps into biochar (terra preta), instead of straight up ashes.
The biggest polluter is the rubbet off our tyres, nasty stuff when tyres break down, use to get black dust in my store on a major road but in a small town.
Growing your own food is bad but geoengineering is very beneficial for the planet...
YES YES YES!!! 🎯
trouble is none of the normies here have a clue about what's going on.
Read a reply from the uploader saying he doesn't think the CO2 narrative is being used to control us🙄 sound asleep
Quite fascinating. Interesting how some narrative can be sold so easily despite having close to zero mathematical nor logical foundation. I may hence think they consider the lack of world scale logistical services and mass food waste to be equivalent with a “produce what you need” kind of alternative. Very cool video, thanks for sharing it
Thank you so much. Yes, if we produced what we needed I think the world would have a better chance of coping.
@@tecmow4399 agreeable…looking forward to seeing your next video
Somebody had to make this review. Thank you 👍
You’re welcome 💚
And as soon as they can they'll be saying catching or growing your own insects to eat is also bad for the environment...
Are many people eating insects in western countries?
I love the Telegraph & it's nice wide pages for catching paint splats when I do DIY.
😂 especially the old ones they chuck from the newsagents
Hmmm much store bought fruit and veg is devoid of vitamins and minerals while homegrown is chockful. Have they factored in the carbon footprint of the medical industry: unhealthy people, going to medical facilities, running medical facilities and whatever else comes up around ill health. Also, getting outside in the fresh air and sunshine (for real vitamin D) is a win win both mentally and physically.
Also what about the fact that most allotment growers DO avoid buying new stuff at all costs? I don't have a new shed or a single new tool, and I don't use wooden borders on my beds. Not one of the hundreds of allotments on my site has a new shed, or raised beds which aren't made from old scaffold planks or decking boards. As if allotment owners aren't some of the most environmentally aware people! baffling.
I thought exactly this. I’ve hardly seen anything on an allotment that hasn’t been magpied from somewhere else!
Pity the authors don’t visit more suburban gardens. People who grow their own tend to be recyclers anyway. And in the last decade people understand that digging or ploughing releases carbon from the soil.
Id be more concerned about what is bought and used INDOORS than in the garden.
Community gardens and homegrown eliminate the packaging farm grown and bought in the supermarket, (imported from other countries when we actually grow and produce the same stuff and export), which packaging ends up in landfill or foreign shores because it’s ‘not recyclable’.
Less waste produced would help but then….’zero waste’ is still niche and unaffordable let alone not available everywhere. I wonder what the waste generated by those doing the study looks like. Sincerely, I’d like to know. 😁
We should make more CO2 because it's great. It made earth significantly more greener in recent decades. Forests benefit tremendously from increased carbon. We should strive to increase the footprint, not decrease it. YOU are the carbon they want to reduce!
It increases the earths temperature. Lots of plants can’t cope with that.
Thank you Tec Mow for dissecting the huge bullshit coming out of that article, very well done. For those interested to hear a different story, I'd like to recommend an excellent book, the "Garden Jungle: or Gardening to save the Planet" by Dave Goulson. The title says it all
I like his RUclips videos and I read another of his books. Haven’t read that one though. Thank you
We could have long row houses (landscapers, basically) with long greenhouse on top that are managed by professional farmers. At the end of each row can be a service elevator for accessing the greenhouse. This way we can have at-scale local production done by people who know what they are doing. It also would enable mixed use (lower density residential + higher density agricultural) while not imposing inherently compact forms of urban development (higher density residential & commercial).
Are there many examples of that you’re aware of?
@@tecmow4399 No, but the idea is not actually mine, but rather it was developed in Belarus by the Unitsky farm enterprise which for the past few years has developing a product called uTerra. Unitsky, the company’s name sake, has two other developments right next door to the farm. In Aquarelle Ecopark, they have several spots to fish, they have several buildings with green roofs and several buildings with greenhouses on roofs. They also they have plans to build a prototype module for a linear building on the premises which will utilize the uTerra product. Next to that is Ecotechnopark where another Unitsky company develops forms of elevated forms of transport similar in functioning principle to the one they recently built for Aquarelle Ecopark.
Great vid! It’s almost like we’re being lied to!
Your videos are my nighttime ASMR
I need to grow my own food to be able to afford it. I’m an old age pensioner. Never-mind that homegrown tastes better, is fresher and less contaminated with nasty chemicals or coated with Apeel. Plus I get fresh air, sunshine, exercise and an occasional conversation with a neighbor.
Mistake #1 is reading main stream media and not doing your own research. Mistake#2, buying too much food from grocery stores. Backyard to table is the best way and it is catching on fast in America. For those in big cities wanting big city life, well you are stuck, the rest can grow food relatively cheap if you think reuse/recycle. Communities all around me are meeting once a month to swap seeds/plants/ideas/tools to start gardens. The interactions and common ground is good for your mental health as well as the healthy diet. Grab a shovel and Hug a Plant today!
What research counts as your own? I totally agree that it’s a great idea to grow food. And I also love seed swaps and community events for gardeners.
Nearly 56% of the world’s population live in cities. They certainly don’t all live a fancy big city life.
This channel should be far more popular that it currently is
Thats very kind thank you 🙏
Net zero carbon is a euphemism for starvation.
and control... you will eat the bugs
It's not about climate change or the carbon footprint. It's about control. I hardly think my footpath to my 15'x15' garden plot with a greenhouse is more damaging to the environment than Farmer Ted's Combine Harvester towing a PVC container full of Monsanto fertilizer. No, it's people becoming self-reliant and self-sustaining that is the threat to the powers that be. No hate on Farmer Ted by the way, I love all tillers of earth.
Certainly not although the scale might need to be allowed for. The control is about convincing people it’s their fault we’re in this predicament. The petrochemical industry want to preserve their profits. They’ve always been effective at that
Excellent review
I’m glad you enjoyed it
To paraphrase a line from roddick, my worms say nah bitch 😅
I grow plantage, and I see no harm in looking at the products used and the cycle of life of the soil....but there is a difference between that and big food trying to keep their profits up.
I love a good boycott, and I believe that the interconnectedness of like minds (hello!) Is increasing the popularity of no-buy systems and cycles...I find that even my amateur attempts at prepping give me much joy and a sense of control and self reliance that runs contrary to those who would seek to rule.
Thank you for your talk...as you might guess, it spoke to me 😎
Another reason it's pointless to talk about this is that co2 is not a problem. It's plant food
Sounds like you’ve got close to understanding the problem but forgotten the carbon cycle. If you burn the really old plants that have been under the ground for millions of years (fossil fuels) you increase the amount of carbon (CO2) in the atmosphere. Plants currently on earth can’t keep up to fix that carbon at the rate humans are putting it into the atmosphere. That is a problem.
@@tecmow4399 ok, but volcanoes put 10x more co2 into the atmosphere than human activity and volcanic activity was higher in the past. And there was lots more biodiversity in the distant past. I believe that habitat destruction and chemical/plastic pollution is way more lethal to life on earth than carbon dioxide. And the mining, manufacture/disposal of renewable technology and materials just exacerbates that problem in my opinion.
@@tecmow4399 I also believe that climate change is primarily driven by solar activity and changes in angle of earth's tilt, and cyclical orbital variations. Many planets in the solar system are also warming up
It sounds like you actually care about the environment but you’ve been caught up by climate deniers who now claim the earths temperature is rising (which they used to deny). Those climate deniers won’t stop mining activities. They won’t stop wars. They won’t stop anything destructive to planet. So I’d be careful about choosing their side. They don’t care about you. They care about preservation of profits
@@tecmow4399 how can a so called climate denier stop wars? Wars are only beneficial to, and started by, a small minority of very powerful interests. So I'm against wars. As for coal, gas, oil, if these weren't used in energy production, fuel, manufacturing, etc yours and my standard of living would be worse than that in a 3rd world country. I do care about the environment but I also care about my family and community.
Southern California Yank here...
THANK YOU for taking a bit of time-off from your RUclips tutorials on Home- & Urban Agriculture, to "speak Truth to Power" with knowledge- Earnest Conviction & PASSION.
It sounds like the book-smart Ph.D. Candidate you mention exemplifies the term 'Book-And-Experience' Professionals call "Pile it High & Deep".
Your tale puts me in mind of the "Deceptive-Science" campaign started several years back by Paid Flacks for "Old-School Energy" (fossil fuel & nuclear) -- designed to Divide nature-lovers by pitting bird--lovers in the UK & US against 'Alternative Energy" advocates by spreading exaggerated tales of "MILLIONS of Innocent Birds" being 'chopped to bits' by Wind Power Farms.
Yes I heard about the bird campaign. The only thing that they failed to mention was that fossil fuel powered power plants kill orders of magnitude higher numbers of birds (not withstanding the climate change related bird deaths)
These studies never consider the whole system. Efficiency means doing more things with a given amount of energy. It's a tool for growth, not conservation. As new things are built (physical capital) thanks to efficiency, the energy needed to maintain that capital increases energy demand and if that demand is met, it increases emissions and ecological footprint (concept developed by Bill Rees, which is what BP's carbon footprint is based on). This is why our climate policies based on efficiency are doomed to fail. They're actually growth policies.
That makes a lot of sense. We’re not separate to the natural processes of the planet. We can’t keep trying to build capital and expect that it’s infinite
Bugger ! I hate gardening but know I know it releases 5x more carbon I’m going to have to start oh well 😂
Of course, I can get cheap veg from Adi's etc but growing my own is not done to try and save money. When you next buy pristine looking vegetables ask yourself how did they grow it like that. We should go back to eating vegetables that are in season not this tasteless rubbish we get like tomatoes. Sadly "industrial grown" veg has been found to lack significantly less nutrients than organic or home grown veg assuming the non use of artificial fertilizers. Personally I don't use pesticides and fertilize with green manures or animal fertilizer if I can get it. Just clic bait on the side of this news paper.
There are lots of reasons to grow food 😊 it doesn’t have much to do with saving money in my experience either. Taste, health, pleasure are my main ones too
It's seems distribution of source isn't very popular with big business, you get the same argument about power.
COMPLETE DAVOS CRAP.
They couldn't give a sh☆t. So I dont listen to people who professionally lie.
Good on you for going into this
I have heard from a friend that Poland is now making moves to implement restrictions on growing your own food. Can't find any articles, presumably they are all in Polish.
I can’t see anything relating to that either. There are a lot of people in Poland who rely on subsistence agriculture. I can’t see that being real tbh
It’s warmer in my compost bins than it is in my house at the moment 😂😂😂😂
My house thermostat got to 7 Centigrade the other week so not a difficult task round here 😅
in other words, they conveniently equate the guys growing salad on top of a building to you growing in the back garden using landfill stuff... amazing!
Ah yes, now the Tories wont even let the people grow their own food when they can't afford to eat healthily otherwise...
At least it’s only tories among their readership
What a load of borrox.
Looking at ships loaded with cattle standing on their feet in this ships for Europe. Skinny cows standing among dead cattle on deck is a very distressing sight animal cruelty. Lets stop eating industrial prossesed meat. Let us take good care of our meat animal. It is the least we can do, just have wome trade etics. Norway
Simply don't care, not giving up meat
I’m not suggesting that to people
@@tecmow4399 I know I'm just being pesky
Hated the title but agreed with your content.
Many people will decide without watching, simply because your headline is decisive.
Try something different with the title like adding a “?”.
A completely fair enough sentiment I’d probably think if I saw it as an outsider. I was discussing exactly this with a friend yesterday and I probably will do that. Thank you for the honest appraisal
At least when someone is gardening, they aren't engaging in really carbon-intensive activities.
Exactly!
Krause, Bill Gates, Greta, Dr. Fauci, liberals, and the like loves this article.
Wow you must grow crazy qanon conspiracies in your garden. Are you aware the Telegraph is a right wing paper?
So the scientist said almost the exact opposite of what the telegraph reported 🤦♂️typical
Certainly the headline and opening paragraph were reaching!
Can´t be controlled if you can´t be controlled......
Enjoy growing your own food 🙏
The poison appears to be The Telegraph, The Dailly Mail, The Dailly Express etc. The lie peddlers.
Exactly. They know exactly what they’re doing
The Sun, The Mirror, The Observer, The Gardian, The Metro it goes on and on... not one of them trustworthy
this host is cool & I love the dry humor
I try 😂
One takeaway msg is that you can make a paper saying anything you want
eating less meat, means eating less of the one food that has all the nutrients we need. Eat a lot of plants, and you need to supplement, and I see no benefit from that at all.
Carbon is not a problem, we have too little as it is.
Too little carbon? You live on a different planet
@@tecmow4399 how much carbon do we have in our atmosphere, and how little can it be before plants start dying off?
We have more than 60 years ago. As far as I know plants weren’t suffocating then
@@tecmow4399 ah, 60 years ago, the immense timespan we can extrapolate all of history from.
The total amount of carbon in our system, is constant. That includes ALL the carbon, what is bound, and what is in the atmosphere.
Actual studies show that we have had way more in the atmosphere in earlier times ( before humans). Some studies show we have more now, but those studies are always paid by those that have a narrative to push, so, not reliable.
Today, we have about 0.04% carbon in our atmosphere, to increase plantgrowth, big greenhouses . (For most crops the saturation point will be reached at about 1 to 1.3% under ideal circumstances. A lower level (0.08 to 1%) is recommended for raising seedlings (tomatoes, cucumbers and peppers) as well as for lettuce production.)
Plant die off starts and 0.02%
Now, tell me again how dangerous this is?
I’m aware of the carbon cycle, mate.
The studies are funded to push what agenda exactly? To try to warn enormous corporations and governments to act? Which they are not doing. The agenda being pushed and funded is exactly the one you’re peddling. One of climate denial.
Yes there have been points in the history of the earth where CO2 was higher. Like you said, prior to humans. Huge amounts of it were fixed by plants which are now in the ground as fossil fuels.
Human accelerated climate change has overwhelming evidence and scientific consensus.
Also my question remains, were plants suffocating from the supposed lack of CO2? No need to extrapolate to all of history. Just answer that.
And for the cows they use carbon figures for feed lots in Brazil as though it applies to cattle here
Was it naive of me to have thought they're playing with people's demand avoidance? 🤔
Academia is constantly showing us how unimpressive intellectual achievement , and insecure flattery make “leaders” that no one want to fallow.
Clearly, gardens are just wasted space that could be better used for housing for the strengthening diversity
By diversity, what do you mean?
Good video thanks for putting it out there 👍
Thank you 🙏
Sure, sure - all very interesting - but tell me more about the toy 😮
A friend gave it to me. He didn’t notice ‘tiI told him it was there tho 😉
@@tecmow4399 fair - but I kind of expect you to draw my attention to your pink and slightly phallic toys 😎
I have no idea what you’re talking about
As Lenin would have it.
Comfortably forget about green lawns,
The most polluting, non-productive form of agriculture.
Grow your own food and minimise the Corporates.
Yeah if you compare it with a lawn it makes it even more ridiculous
Nooooooo they will never take my rake away from me 😂😂😂
Keep raking my friend 😂
You are right on 🎯
😂 love it…but guess what? I’m going to carry on gardening and growing my own, unusual edible and useful, exotic and cottage garden plants, no dig, forest garden, harvest rain water for my garden and enjoy it.
Sponsored studies don’t sway me. My silent revolution continues.
Great analysis 👍
Thank you 🙏
Go carnivore raise rabbits chickens sheep by growing green vegetation that these animals can eat. all these herbivores need is plants material, water, sea salt.
I do hope King Charles is awear of this ,and his Duchy Originals brand of non agri- grown products
Yeah I think it is more a smear or clickbait piece, but it’s factually untrue also. Large scale commercial agriculture employs lots of chemicals, herbicide, pesticide, fertilizer, ect which have to be manufactured and applied to the soil kill the biology, releasing HUGE quantities of cO2, plus over tilling, unless they are regenerative…. If you grow no-till in a small garden you are actually storing carbon in the ground over time, by the plants and compost application.
Well said that man.