My 9950X replaces my TR2950X, and I've been very happy with it. I decided to run it in Eco Mode, 105w where it still boosts to 5725MHz across the first CCD. Temperature-wise, it idles at 33c with 28c Ambient, and during gaming it sits at 47-51c depending on Ambient. Overall very nice, and looking forward to trying the Curve Optimizer to boost better, with lower voltages. Enjoyed the video ;)
When has anyone ever thought that buying a CPU hot off the presses was going to be cost effective or in anyway perfection? Never, that's when, you wait for the early adopter, the BIOS updates, etc and see what shakes out. But I guess when product launches are all social media events everyone expects to be entertained and the product is some kind of rock star. And the reviewers are the uber early adopters and I expect resilience and thoughtfulness. That's why your video is just what should be expected, so thanks.
I love your videos. I can actually sit and listen to you because you are not arrogant and making jokes all the time. Love all the case videos that have helped me out in the past and the CPU/GPU coverage.
Thanks for the review Tom, appreciated. Linux is strong, Windows has a fubarr'd scheduler - some antipodeon click baters need to chill out. I'm going to build around a ProArt X670e with 9950X when the pricing settles. €709 seems a teeny bit sharp if I have to mess about with xbox and specific chipset drivers.
Boy, I bought a winner with the 7950x. They haven't improved much on it. So much though for one more CPU of future proofing... why I wasted the extra money on Zen4, all so I could... not upgrade... to a 9950x later.
i was hoping the 9950x would have been on par with the 7800X3D for gaming while also being good at productivity, idk what to buy now, did amd just lie to us?
NO need to reinstall Windows.... Windows service: amd3dvcacheSvc MUST run so the CPU will park the correct CCD for the best performance.. just like the X3D CPU's
no, its ready, but they want to release it near sep 31 as the 9000 series x3d will also come after it, so the new motherboard is between the launch normal 9000 series & its x3d versions
@@arthur_pd Still doesn't make sense. I think the 870x is going to be expensive and they want to clear out as much as possible x670 stock by then - not restocking either. I feel the x670 may be better value overall.
I think when the new X3d chips come out, they're going to be the one people will buy, personally i think AMD will lose money on these cpu's. Great video Tom as always.
I will buy 9950X for blender and other productivity workloads. So will many more people get the vanilla chips because they are cheaper and fatter than X3D
@Ray88G I know what you're saying. For workloads like that they will sell loads. But the majority of people who buy pcs do so for gaming. For someone like me who's on an 8700k, I want gaming performance and I'm just not blown away by these cpus. With everything going wrong with intel at the moment I think a lot of people will switch to AMD if they are looking for a new rig.
The only difference with the x870 boards will be usb 4 and PCI Express 5.0 x16. Personally I would just get a good x670 board with all the features you need. I hate these boards that come out with 4x sata ports. With x870 you will see that and probably 1 less m.2 port. They have to give and take due to bandwidth constraints. Once you go high end then you looking at 2x chipsets on the board and then more connectivity, but at what cost? I would really like to see when a GPU will saturate a PCI Express 4.0 x 16. Make no mistake that when you populate all m.2 slots and PCI express slots chances are that speed on the 1st PCI Express slot gets halved, even then its fine but what I am getting at is that we are not ready for PCI Express gen 5 for GPU use. Only for NVME storage drives they make sense. I just feel this is just marketing bs. I would prefer more m.2 slots/sata ports or usb ports. If you don't believe me check out the direct predecessor boards... the monopoly is real!
Don't reinstall Windows, just completely wipe chipset drivers with revo uninstaller and change bios settings to let the chipset driver park cores correctly.
That doesnt work. I know because I tried it many times - plus using a cmd that AMD requested about forcing idle tasks. Honestly wasted days chasing issues
@@OC3D wow, so even that fix is not guaranteed on all boards. It's a issue since zen4 and now still on zen5. Feel your pain, especially when chasing deadlines.
Wendel of Level1Techs found that by simply running Cyberpunk as administrator in Windows he was able to get 10 more frames. Windows is majorly screwed up with these new processors and not in Linux. He found that a native Windows game ran better in Linux. The best opinion right now is that Windows is a mess.
AMD ask us (basically tell us) to have a fully updated version of windows before starting testing. Everything has to be the newest possible version. So if thats the case its on them, not us.
The CPU is in fact miles better: you just need to upgrade all the other hardware, including the motherboard to latest X870 chipset, power supply if using new rtx 5090, GPU (preferable to the new 5000 series nvidia to see differences)and upgrade your memory to higher speed capability of the cpu paired with the new motherboard release to really see any substantial benefit… simply swapping out the CPU will only give you only marginal improvement if any.. and possibly running a little cooler is all I see.😂
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Great review as always. A terrible hardware launch by AMD, probably one of the worse I've seen in a while. I think the performance issues are to do with that inter-CCD latency being double compared to the previous gen, the workarounds that AMD gave reviewers with the X3D driver, along with the balanced power plan and game bar / game mode are very unprofessional and I'd really like to see a statement from AMD explaining how they plan to fix that, because that latency is unacceptable, as Anandtech mentioned its almost as high as socket-to-socket latency.
I think the 9800X3D will be a bit faster than the 7800X3D plus is has AVX 512 which is nice for some game emulators. So a more rounded CPU than the 9800X3D, but nothing to upgrade to if you already have a 7800X3D.
7800X3D is still what you need in terms of price @ FPS performance @ consumption @ temperatures @ Games. Maybe the new 9800X3D will come with remarkable performance in games, or maybe Intel will surprise us with the new 15900k aka Lava Lake 🥵 ( I say this strictly for games...)
I think next gen intel will be a disappointment aswell, no multithreading and lower clocks than 14th gen, they will have to get ipc ridiculously high to compensate for it.
@@G_MAN_325 I already have the old I9 9900 k and the second base PC for gaming 7800x3d on x670e from aorus master with ddr5 at 8000mhz, so I'm not stressed, I'm just having fun why do the "blues" and "reds"
@@mariopol5826 Your 7800X3D will last you a very long time if you only use it for gaming. Diminishing return if you play at 4k but then again efficiency is the 7800X3D's strong point as well. I swopped my 5950x out for a 5800X3D as I mosty play games...more cores are NOT better for gaming. The 5800X3D at the time was not announced yet. I tweak a lot and PBO everything to the max. AM4 is not efficient and on idle they consume power doing nothing. My multimedia PC/Couch gaming PC has a 12600k and it is insanely efficient. For office use I am using a 12500 (no E cores) and it's super snappy. I am really hoping that the 9800X3D will be worth it because I want to get that.
8:20 - So, What? Just do what Linus does a server that has the Steam Cache, use Windows VMs (Fresh start state cloned), and so forth, just how many crappy launches have you been apart of? These are basics because of how awful Tech reviewing actually is! ...anyways, THANKS FOR TOUGHING all that horrendous stuff making sure we got that review! Thank You!
Clearly AMD did not have enough time to validate their chipset drivers and how Windows schedules the CCDs given their different abilities. How did they not fix this from the 7950x? It was the one caveat that people had with that chip! (Gamebar and the chipset drivers. It's still not great. In fact, it's worse right now.) Then the false claim of 9700x and 9600x being more power efficient when the 7700 exists is just ridiculous. I'm not sure why AMD can't market truthfully. Once again we have to show AMD that 5% gains are not the same at 15%. Once again they deliver less than 1/2 the performance gain promised. Opportunity lost, again. The issue isn't the chips or tech. It's the marketing. If they would have come out to the desktop market and said "We concentrated on massively multi-core server efficiency for this gen, the desktop will be slightly faster plus USB4 and a bit better RAM speeds" everyone would have been fine.
you are one of rare smaller channels who admit thst this cpus are bad !!other smaller channels almost got exctazy in bullshiting how good this cpus are and they only talk and show what AMD wants because they get free cpu samples
Strange how Gamers Nexus was able to do a full review without any problems. These processors are not gaming optimized. What you should have done is tested production level apps and maybe leave the gaming results out of the equation. AMD's X3D chips are made for gaming and the new X3D chips will probably be released in September along with AMD motherboards containing the latest chipsets.
Gamers Nexus did in fact have problems... They spoke about it. 9600X couldn't run stable, and the 9900X/9950X, they received word from AMD about the core parking requirement only after they had run gaming tests -- and had to redo them after that...
AMD said about issues Monday and I worked flat out trying to fix it including two reinstalls and still had issues. They will have us retesting it soon, you watch.
well i have a 9950x ... gamers nexus says parked cores are a thing. so when i install the upgrade this weekend i'll do that and i always do a fresh install when i swap out hardware. i'm not really a gamer these days anymore i've lost patience for it. so i don't really care about those such things My new board is a gigabyte x650 master with 64gb ddr5 5900. video is radeon 7900 xtx all solid state nvme drives for storage. when i build them i build them for gaming even though i don't actually game but i like having the option to do so.
Playstation 5 PRO appears at the end of 2024 ! Codenamed “Project Trinity,” the PS5 Pro is expected to feature advanced AMD technology, including Zen 4 CPU architecture, RDNA 3 graphics, and a significant boost in performance.
So don't buy until a few months from now. As always, AMD never fails to botch a launch. Pretty disappointing really.
Yeah, it's like they want to be second place. You would think someone making a stupid amount of money there would sort this out.
Thank you for the always honest review. I'm a fan for many years, I appreciate you.
Thanks for the review.
My 9950X replaces my TR2950X, and I've been very happy with it. I decided to run it in Eco Mode, 105w where it still boosts to 5725MHz across the first CCD. Temperature-wise, it idles at 33c with 28c Ambient, and during gaming it sits at 47-51c depending on Ambient. Overall very nice, and looking forward to trying the Curve Optimizer to boost better, with lower voltages. Enjoyed the video ;)
well i'm glad i didn't rush out and buy. My 3900x will have to do for now.
Very informative as always! Thank you!
When has anyone ever thought that buying a CPU hot off the presses was going to be cost effective or in anyway perfection? Never, that's when, you wait for the early adopter, the BIOS updates, etc and see what shakes out. But I guess when product launches are all social media events everyone expects to be entertained and the product is some kind of rock star. And the reviewers are the uber early adopters and I expect resilience and thoughtfulness. That's why your video is just what should be expected, so thanks.
Thanks for the review Tom
Tiny Tom has been my favourite since 2015
Thank you dude x
review day, thank you.
I love your videos. I can actually sit and listen to you because you are not arrogant and making jokes all the time. Love all the case videos that have helped me out in the past and the CPU/GPU coverage.
Thank you dude, I needed to hear stuff like this after all the days I wasted chasing faults on this (that Id never fix because it was drivers)
Thanks for this informative video.
how the fuck did amd ruin this so much
Succinct gem of a review. TTL/OC3D rarely disappoint. White Gold standard.
Thank you steve x
Many thanks! Great review.
Thanks for the review Tom, appreciated. Linux is strong, Windows has a fubarr'd scheduler - some antipodeon click baters need to chill out.
I'm going to build around a ProArt X670e with 9950X when the pricing settles. €709 seems a teeny bit sharp if I have to mess about with xbox and specific chipset drivers.
Boy, I bought a winner with the 7950x.
They haven't improved much on it.
So much though for one more CPU of future proofing... why I wasted the extra money on Zen4, all so I could... not upgrade... to a 9950x later.
i was hoping the 9950x would have been on par with the 7800X3D for gaming while also being good at productivity, idk what to buy now, did amd just lie to us?
I think its a case of waiting to see what happens with the drivers on these and we will have to see what happens with the 9900X3D too
So glad I just bought an open-box 7700X for $220
NO need to reinstall Windows.... Windows service: amd3dvcacheSvc MUST run so the CPU will park the correct CCD for the best performance.. just like the X3D CPU's
I've been chatting to amd directly as always and they didn't mention that at all.
You watched Jay's video?
But you have completely get rid of chipset drivers with revo uninstaller.
SinkClose security vulnerability not a problem or what???
My question is why are the x870 motherboards not ready? They said the chipsets are basically the same.
no, its ready, but they want to release it near sep 31 as the 9000 series x3d will also come after it, so the new motherboard is between the launch normal 9000 series & its x3d versions
@@arthur_pd Still doesn't make sense. I think the 870x is going to be expensive and they want to clear out as much as possible x670 stock by then - not restocking either. I feel the x670 may be better value overall.
hmph.
I'm still using my X99 platform.
LGA2011v3 was the GTX1080Ti of motherboard platforms, too good for its own good. I only upgraded from it this year.
I think when the new X3d chips come out, they're going to be the one people will buy, personally i think AMD will lose money on these cpu's. Great video Tom as always.
Bulshit. These chips are just not meant for gamers.
I will buy 9950X for blender and other productivity workloads.
So will many more people get the vanilla chips because they are cheaper and fatter than X3D
@Ray88G I know what you're saying. For workloads like that they will sell loads. But the majority of people who buy pcs do so for gaming. For someone like me who's on an 8700k, I want gaming performance and I'm just not blown away by these cpus. With everything going wrong with intel at the moment I think a lot of people will switch to AMD if they are looking for a new rig.
@@Ray88G fatter?
It will be 50% off on Amazon in a few months 😮
Thanks for all your hard work Guv, TBH I can see AMD having to drop the price on these..................
The only difference with the x870 boards will be usb 4 and PCI Express 5.0 x16. Personally I would just get a good x670 board with all the features you need. I hate these boards that come out with 4x sata ports. With x870 you will see that and probably 1 less m.2 port. They have to give and take due to bandwidth constraints. Once you go high end then you looking at 2x chipsets on the board and then more connectivity, but at what cost?
I would really like to see when a GPU will saturate a PCI Express 4.0 x 16. Make no mistake that when you populate all m.2 slots and PCI express slots chances are that speed on the 1st PCI Express slot gets halved, even then its fine but what I am getting at is that we are not ready for PCI Express gen 5 for GPU use. Only for NVME storage drives they make sense. I just feel this is just marketing bs. I would prefer more m.2 slots/sata ports or usb ports. If you don't believe me check out the direct predecessor boards... the monopoly is real!
Don't reinstall Windows, just completely wipe chipset drivers with revo uninstaller and change bios settings to let the chipset driver park cores correctly.
That doesnt work. I know because I tried it many times - plus using a cmd that AMD requested about forcing idle tasks. Honestly wasted days chasing issues
@@OC3D wow, so even that fix is not guaranteed on all boards. It's a issue since zen4 and now still on zen5.
Feel your pain, especially when chasing deadlines.
Wendel of Level1Techs found that by simply running Cyberpunk as administrator in Windows he was able to get 10 more frames. Windows is majorly screwed up with these new processors and not in Linux. He found that a native Windows game ran better in Linux. The best opinion right now is that Windows is a mess.
Windows is always a mess!
AMD ask us (basically tell us) to have a fully updated version of windows before starting testing. Everything has to be the newest possible version. So if thats the case its on them, not us.
@OC3D I didn't even cross my mind that it was on you. I was memerly stating there are software problems. Sorry if that is how it came across.
The CPU is in fact miles better: you just need to upgrade all the other hardware, including the motherboard to latest X870 chipset, power supply if using new rtx 5090, GPU (preferable to the new 5000 series nvidia to see differences)and upgrade your memory to higher speed capability of the cpu paired with the new motherboard release to really see any substantial benefit… simply swapping out the CPU will only give you only marginal improvement if any.. and possibly running a little cooler is all I see.😂
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Great review as always. A terrible hardware launch by AMD, probably one of the worse I've seen in a while. I think the performance issues are to do with that inter-CCD latency being double compared to the previous gen, the workarounds that AMD gave reviewers with the X3D driver, along with the balanced power plan and game bar / game mode are very unprofessional and I'd really like to see a statement from AMD explaining how they plan to fix that, because that latency is unacceptable, as Anandtech mentioned its almost as high as socket-to-socket latency.
Thank God I have 3 new PC’s that all work, for now lololol
You needed to park the cores. Like 7950X3D
Why though? We didn't have to do this with 7950x.
Its not as simple as that with these. There are chipset driver issues and its all basically the latency between the CCX's
@@OC3D AMD is doing an INTEL 🤣
NGL Zen5 is the huge disappointment. I still hope that the X3D parts will bring something new to the table.
Thank TTL for your work!
I think the 9800X3D will be a bit faster than the 7800X3D plus is has AVX 512 which is nice for some game emulators. So a more rounded CPU than the 9800X3D, but nothing to upgrade to if you already have a 7800X3D.
@@nossy2323237800X3D has AVX2 and AVX 512.
@@nossy232323Emulators are very fringe use case. Literally 1/100 ppl will ever emulate with RPCS etc.
this whole gen will be a FLOP
This is a good time for the buyers to wake uo and use their brain and DONT BUY ANYTHING NEW this gen
But it's good for servers
7800X3D is still what you need in terms of price @ FPS performance @ consumption @ temperatures @ Games. Maybe the new 9800X3D will come with remarkable performance in games, or maybe Intel will surprise us with the new 15900k aka Lava Lake 🥵 ( I say this strictly for games...)
I think next gen intel will be a disappointment aswell, no multithreading and lower clocks than 14th gen, they will have to get ipc ridiculously high to compensate for it.
You really don't buy a 15900k for games 🤣
@@G_MAN_325 I already have the old I9 9900 k and the second base PC for gaming 7800x3d on x670e from aorus master with ddr5 at 8000mhz, so I'm not stressed, I'm just having fun why do the "blues" and "reds"
@@G_MAN_325 you'd be surprised how many do
@@mariopol5826 Your 7800X3D will last you a very long time if you only use it for gaming. Diminishing return if you play at 4k but then again efficiency is the 7800X3D's strong point as well.
I swopped my 5950x out for a 5800X3D as I mosty play games...more cores are NOT better for gaming. The 5800X3D at the time was not announced yet. I tweak a lot and PBO everything to the max. AM4 is not efficient and on idle they consume power doing nothing. My multimedia PC/Couch gaming PC has a 12600k and it is insanely efficient. For office use I am using a 12500 (no E cores) and it's super snappy.
I am really hoping that the 9800X3D will be worth it because I want to get that.
That's was bad advice. If you want gaming performance get the 7800X3D and not the 9700X.
Agreed, but I meant put of the 9000's
8:20 - So, What? Just do what Linus does a server that has the Steam Cache, use Windows VMs (Fresh start state cloned), and so forth, just how many crappy launches have you been apart of? These are basics because of how awful Tech reviewing actually is!
...anyways, THANKS FOR TOUGHING all that horrendous stuff making sure we got that review! Thank You!
Clearly AMD did not have enough time to validate their chipset drivers and how Windows schedules the CCDs given their different abilities. How did they not fix this from the 7950x? It was the one caveat that people had with that chip! (Gamebar and the chipset drivers. It's still not great. In fact, it's worse right now.)
Then the false claim of 9700x and 9600x being more power efficient when the 7700 exists is just ridiculous. I'm not sure why AMD can't market truthfully.
Once again we have to show AMD that 5% gains are not the same at 15%. Once again they deliver less than 1/2 the performance gain promised.
Opportunity lost, again.
The issue isn't the chips or tech. It's the marketing. If they would have come out to the desktop market and said "We concentrated on massively multi-core server efficiency for this gen, the desktop will be slightly faster plus USB4 and a bit better RAM speeds" everyone would have been fine.
juste for gaming i think ryzen 7 7800x3d is the best choice now.
Why did this show up on my feed? These reviews tend to never age well.
Good news is theyve sorted it so I have some retesting to do =D
Hear me out...tin foils on... Weird how CPUs have issues now....Is the new backdoor from the 3 letter agency at fault?
you are one of rare smaller channels who admit thst this cpus are bad !!other smaller channels almost got exctazy in bullshiting how good this cpus are and they only talk and show what AMD wants because they get free cpu samples
and I really DO NOT enjoy having to say they need to do better
@@OC3D maybe with zen6 if Arrow lake would press them after release hardly
Try desktop Ubuntu - Linux ..!
Strange how Gamers Nexus was able to do a full review without any problems. These processors are not gaming optimized. What you should have done is tested production level apps and maybe leave the gaming results out of the equation. AMD's X3D chips are made for gaming and the new X3D chips will probably be released in September along with AMD motherboards containing the latest chipsets.
but skunks from AMD sayed tgey are 13% faster then 14900k !!they are 6-10% slower
Gamers Nexus did in fact have problems... They spoke about it. 9600X couldn't run stable, and the 9900X/9950X, they received word from AMD about the core parking requirement only after they had run gaming tests -- and had to redo them after that...
AMD said about issues Monday and I worked flat out trying to fix it including two reinstalls and still had issues. They will have us retesting it soon, you watch.
9900x is amazing
Heathcote Dale
AMD’d!
I hope this means we get the 9000g series APU faster since these chips are meh, they will need to sell something good.
Listen to the AMD fan---boys ,, 9700g will be 3 times faster than a RTX 4090 !!!!!
Dont buy new amd dont buy intel. We better revert to amd 7 series and intel 9th or 10th gen. Cpus are obviously hitting their limits.
It’s 12th gen Intel you want right now for price to performance and no issues
well i have a 9950x ... gamers nexus says parked cores are a thing. so when i install the upgrade this weekend i'll do that and i always do a fresh install when i swap out hardware. i'm not really a gamer these days anymore i've lost patience for it. so i don't really care about those such things My new board is a gigabyte x650 master with 64gb ddr5 5900. video is radeon 7900 xtx all solid state nvme drives for storage. when i build them i build them for gaming even though i don't actually game but i like having the option to do so.
Buy a console
Playstation 5 PRO appears at the end of 2024 !
Codenamed “Project Trinity,” the PS5 Pro is expected to feature advanced AMD technology, including Zen 4 CPU architecture, RDNA 3 graphics, and a significant boost in performance.
Console gaming cant substitute pc gaming.
Get Intel
Only when the new gen comes out, 13th and 14th gen is still not fixed.
Just undervolt them if you dont have any issues.