I really have no desire to see this film. Nothing against it; I've just moved on from the Alien franchise. I give it props for using practical effects; they almost always look better than CGI.
I think an important aspect to remember about Alien is that it is a 1970's movie: starts really slow and only starts moving in the last third. The slow pace doesn't bother some, but I feel like if you showed it to an average younger audience, they'd be confused why 5 minutes watching a ship be slowly zoomed out to create the illusion of movement was happening. Also, the audio balance has the '70's trait of being impossibly quiet when they often talk softly, but if you increase the volume, the scary thing will blasts your eardrums out. The new movie was derivative of 1 and 2, but hey, at least it felt like an Alien movie; that hasn't happened since Aliens, and even then, some people don't like the more action orientation over the horror of the original. I admire the intent to bring in elements from every Alien movie, even the bad ones (none of that Halloween multi-timeline crap. lol) - nostalgia bait or not, it felt like they actually cared about the franchise; Ridley Scott was still carrying a grudge about James Cameron's introduction of the Queen, since he preferred the original version of the Drone excreting a cocoon over bio-mass to convert into more eggs, hence he tried to "one up" by introducing the black goo. Scott willingly or unwittingly allowed the plot hole of David being the creator of the Xenomorphs, even though there was a giant ancient mural of one in Prometheus. The new movie brought back the black goo, but with the implication it was likely a synthetic recreation of some source not from Engineer design. The movie reused two lines, from what I recall, but it isn't the first time that Ripley's shout at the Queen was recycled, and the reuse of Ash's last line was arguably different since it was delivered with a completely different intent; Ash was mocking the last three survivors of the Nostromo, while Rook was genuinely trying to be sympathetic. There is one thing that was completely original to the new film, that was the use of zero gravity, which none of the other movies had, which is funny to consider - 50 years of space movies, and no tricks with zero gravity, what is this, Star Wars? I guess gravity issues weren't in the original due to budget, the second and third mostly occur on planets, and the fourth just didn't care because it was a circus of madness (Ripley 8/Winona Ryder lesbian tease, Brad Douriff trying to pretend he's making out with a Xenomorph, the dopey AF Newborn). Alien 3 was made by a director who grew to hate it due to studio pressure, and that unpleasant feeling infected the movie; perhaps it earns points for taking risks, since no self-respecting series would murder its likable supporting cast off-screen, and then also the protagonist at the end. Resurrection was basically a farce - which was entertaining in some regards, but it felt like a joke thus had none of the horror that even the action-y Aliens still had. Any pretense at existentialism was completely lost with dumb shit like "sexy" Xenomorph finger nails, scientists from 1950's B-Movies, and basketball flirting that ends with a backwards three pointer (although, credit to Sigourney Weaver, since evidently she actually made that shot for real). The AvP movies were cynical cash grabs; if you only watch the Predator parts, it seems passable fluff, but the whole narrative is just lazy nonsense - on a tangent, how dumb was it that the Predators went to Antarctica while still in their high humidity and hot temperature outfits? Prometheus tried to be different, but it played the "unknown is scary" card too hard because everything was so unknown that nothing made sense; also, most of the characters were extremely dumb and inconsistent. They tried to course correct with Covenant, but it ended up having the same confusion as the prior film, and also just being lesser Alien film, but with some of the dumbest characters ever, who were somehow dumber than so-called "graduate from the Prometheus school of running away from things." I feel like it's a moot arguing about Alien films being "too similar," since all but 3 and Prometheus have the same formula: ignorant people stumble into a Xenomorph threat, lots of running and screaming, all but a few survive at the end, where it seems like everything is fine, only to discover that a creature was onboard the ship, thus a female protagonist has to trick the creature into being defeated by the vacuum of space. Since the formula is inherently repeated, what's left are characters, and I think it did fine with Rain and Andy. Rain was good at the start, a bit flat throughout the middle, but was engaging by the second half. Andy was likable, and he had an interesting and understandable arc. Sure, most were fodder, but I don't think most remember the first three to five Marines killed in Aliens, barring Sarge because he was such a cliche that he was memorable, so killcount tally is par for the course in these movies. There probably should never have ever been a franchise, since the entire premise debatably has a diminishing rate of returns; while I don't agree with them entirely, Robot Chicken did have the criticism of Chestbursters as "You know, that's only scary exactly once." Also, anyone saying otherwise is lying, because that Offspring looked creepy as hell, which was the first time a a new creature in the franchise had that effect since the Queen (though, I'm not saying the new thing is scarier than her, rather noting it had an eerie quality at all - Newborn, Predalien, Deacon, Neomorph, Praetomorph were all let downs) Alien Isolation video game seemed pretty popular despite it being a rehash, so did it get a free pass because it was interactive? Anyway, it's pretty hilarious anyone would be surprised that the director would make a derivative entry of a classic franchise, considering his Evil Dead is almost exactly the original Evil Dead again, but with better special effects.
People love bashing CGI, but the real problem is the lack of understanding of the people hiring these artists. To make something very organic believable can take much more time and resources than what is usually given to any such team.
Yeah, I like the idea of a "secret Alien movie". Wouldn't have stayed secret for long of course but if they had not felt the need to lean on the previous films so much for nostalgia it could have been decent.
I don't fully agree with him, but I'm much more forgiving with these movies, and if someone can connect all the Pixar movies into one timeline of the same universe, I'm sure all will fit together fine... I just enjoy the story and the spectacle of them.
I kind of feel like that’s an issue now. People have started to lean into spectacle, marvel films went all spectacle and lost any heart and story and so much other stuff has done that now. I think the bar has been lowered so not great stuff seems really good in comparison to other garbage being made. It’s like if you watch the acolyte then anything else seems better in comparison.
drinker always goes harder but thats part of his brand. I think hes right about the line stealing though as the alien movies all had their stand out scenes that put new twists on the old material. This was more like remember that time than hers a new take. and yeah after watching aliens in 4k this has no horror to it.
@@user-lb9xw4xf2q lol drinker is a writer whose books are now being made into movies. They are more action like the grey man than tom clancy spy thrillers.
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I really have no desire to see this film. Nothing against it; I've just moved on from the Alien franchise. I give it props for using practical effects; they almost always look better than CGI.
I think an important aspect to remember about Alien is that it is a 1970's movie: starts really slow and only starts moving in the last third. The slow pace doesn't bother some, but I feel like if you showed it to an average younger audience, they'd be confused why 5 minutes watching a ship be slowly zoomed out to create the illusion of movement was happening. Also, the audio balance has the '70's trait of being impossibly quiet when they often talk softly, but if you increase the volume, the scary thing will blasts your eardrums out.
The new movie was derivative of 1 and 2, but hey, at least it felt like an Alien movie; that hasn't happened since Aliens, and even then, some people don't like the more action orientation over the horror of the original. I admire the intent to bring in elements from every Alien movie, even the bad ones (none of that Halloween multi-timeline crap. lol) - nostalgia bait or not, it felt like they actually cared about the franchise; Ridley Scott was still carrying a grudge about James Cameron's introduction of the Queen, since he preferred the original version of the Drone excreting a cocoon over bio-mass to convert into more eggs, hence he tried to "one up" by introducing the black goo. Scott willingly or unwittingly allowed the plot hole of David being the creator of the Xenomorphs, even though there was a giant ancient mural of one in Prometheus. The new movie brought back the black goo, but with the implication it was likely a synthetic recreation of some source not from Engineer design.
The movie reused two lines, from what I recall, but it isn't the first time that Ripley's shout at the Queen was recycled, and the reuse of Ash's last line was arguably different since it was delivered with a completely different intent; Ash was mocking the last three survivors of the Nostromo, while Rook was genuinely trying to be sympathetic.
There is one thing that was completely original to the new film, that was the use of zero gravity, which none of the other movies had, which is funny to consider - 50 years of space movies, and no tricks with zero gravity, what is this, Star Wars? I guess gravity issues weren't in the original due to budget, the second and third mostly occur on planets, and the fourth just didn't care because it was a circus of madness (Ripley 8/Winona Ryder lesbian tease, Brad Douriff trying to pretend he's making out with a Xenomorph, the dopey AF Newborn).
Alien 3 was made by a director who grew to hate it due to studio pressure, and that unpleasant feeling infected the movie; perhaps it earns points for taking risks, since no self-respecting series would murder its likable supporting cast off-screen, and then also the protagonist at the end.
Resurrection was basically a farce - which was entertaining in some regards, but it felt like a joke thus had none of the horror that even the action-y Aliens still had. Any pretense at existentialism was completely lost with dumb shit like "sexy" Xenomorph finger nails, scientists from 1950's B-Movies, and basketball flirting that ends with a backwards three pointer (although, credit to Sigourney Weaver, since evidently she actually made that shot for real).
The AvP movies were cynical cash grabs; if you only watch the Predator parts, it seems passable fluff, but the whole narrative is just lazy nonsense - on a tangent, how dumb was it that the Predators went to Antarctica while still in their high humidity and hot temperature outfits?
Prometheus tried to be different, but it played the "unknown is scary" card too hard because everything was so unknown that nothing made sense; also, most of the characters were extremely dumb and inconsistent. They tried to course correct with Covenant, but it ended up having the same confusion as the prior film, and also just being lesser Alien film, but with some of the dumbest characters ever, who were somehow dumber than so-called "graduate from the Prometheus school of running away from things."
I feel like it's a moot arguing about Alien films being "too similar," since all but 3 and Prometheus have the same formula: ignorant people stumble into a Xenomorph threat, lots of running and screaming, all but a few survive at the end, where it seems like everything is fine, only to discover that a creature was onboard the ship, thus a female protagonist has to trick the creature into being defeated by the vacuum of space.
Since the formula is inherently repeated, what's left are characters, and I think it did fine with Rain and Andy. Rain was good at the start, a bit flat throughout the middle, but was engaging by the second half. Andy was likable, and he had an interesting and understandable arc. Sure, most were fodder, but I don't think most remember the first three to five Marines killed in Aliens, barring Sarge because he was such a cliche that he was memorable, so killcount tally is par for the course in these movies.
There probably should never have ever been a franchise, since the entire premise debatably has a diminishing rate of returns; while I don't agree with them entirely, Robot Chicken did have the criticism of Chestbursters as "You know, that's only scary exactly once."
Also, anyone saying otherwise is lying, because that Offspring looked creepy as hell, which was the first time a a new creature in the franchise had that effect since the Queen (though, I'm not saying the new thing is scarier than her, rather noting it had an eerie quality at all - Newborn, Predalien, Deacon, Neomorph, Praetomorph were all let downs)
Alien Isolation video game seemed pretty popular despite it being a rehash, so did it get a free pass because it was interactive?
Anyway, it's pretty hilarious anyone would be surprised that the director would make a derivative entry of a classic franchise, considering his Evil Dead is almost exactly the original Evil Dead again, but with better special effects.
People love bashing CGI, but the real problem is the lack of understanding of the people hiring these artists. To make something very organic believable can take much more time and resources than what is usually given to any such team.
Yeah, I like the idea of a "secret Alien movie". Wouldn't have stayed secret for long of course but if they had not felt the need to lean on the previous films so much for nostalgia it could have been decent.
Exactly!! I think that reveal would've been dope to experience.
I don't fully agree with him, but I'm much more forgiving with these movies, and if someone can connect all the Pixar movies into one timeline of the same universe, I'm sure all will fit together fine... I just enjoy the story and the spectacle of them.
I kind of feel like that’s an issue now. People have started to lean into spectacle, marvel films went all spectacle and lost any heart and story and so much other stuff has done that now. I think the bar has been lowered so not great stuff seems really good in comparison to other garbage being made. It’s like if you watch the acolyte then anything else seems better in comparison.
I like the 4th one too, calling it a cash grab is inaccurate.
drinker always goes harder but thats part of his brand. I think hes right about the line stealing though as the alien movies all had their stand out scenes that put new twists on the old material. This was more like remember that time than hers a new take. and yeah after watching aliens in 4k this has no horror to it.
Is he the one who tried to be Tom Clancy but failed so has to make video rants for money now?
@@user-lb9xw4xf2q lol drinker is a writer whose books are now being made into movies. They are more action like the grey man than tom clancy spy thrillers.