MICA & J.P. MILLER: Deep Dive (Pt. 1) - Religious Context
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- Опубликовано: 4 июл 2024
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Deep dive on Mica & J.P. Miller. In part 1 I take a look at the religious context & start to explore the realities of Mica's relationship with J.P.
This was a very insightful video. I like that you always look at things from both sides, and even give credit to the criminal’s behavior when it’s due. (talents, having a soul, etc.) not all creators do this. I appreciate your point of view. Thanks for a great video 🤍
@@toribern816 hey thanks a lot 😁 i really appreciate that 😁😁
All addictions are compulsive and run through every religious belief. One example is Ravi Zacharias. He was definitely not Pentecostal. Neither are so many pastors and others being exposed right now in every denomination.
Well you love I just don't understand how all these people or demons are getting away with killing innocent loving kind of people I don't like to use bad words but you know the old saying money talks an BS walks I have a lot of stuff that I've played about that God has revealed to me little bits and pieces I've played that the FBI has really seen an checked out an there is a lot that needs to be really looked at that might not be nothing to them sometimes that's small could be the biggest answer to the puzzle you know they need to slow down smallest pieces that would be the biggest peace of the puzzle an I wonder if they have check all the way back to the end of it to see what could have been thrown out along the way or dropped because the man is one of his best friends that went to church with him theres a lot girl and they don't know who was driving that truck because all the windows were 🌑 dark so thats why i said money talks an BS WALKS I looks at everything babygirl I don't care what anyone says she didn't unlive here's an I believe in Jesus Christ our heavenly Father will expose it all becomes he knows all that devil 😈 has alot of people blind so bad that they can't in the small piece that will fit the big whole theses days people love money more than they love anyone or their self an especially God but as the Bible says woo unto them on that dreadful day my spirit one that mica loves God and I do to an I believe that God will cross up PJ's words an he will Bury his own self because u know he said on one tiktok I will get Justice for Mica hitting himself in the chest and said i promise y'all i make sure of that but i got new for you God mad us an he can control everything he can make everyone that's involved tell everything just like it happened yes he can praise God an glorifying your an an all the praises through the son our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ your will be done heavenly Father AMEN an thank you for your commentary love you are in my prayers if my hands wouldn't hurt I got a lot lot i got I could say that they probably . haven't even thought about but ok my hands are tired so talk with you soon Lord willing sweetie have a blessed nite in Jesus Christ 💘 good night 😴 JUSTICE FOR MICA LORDS WILL BE DONE IN JESUS CHRIST AMEN 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏❤️
HE NEVER LOVED MICA. IT WAS JUST DESIRE N BECAUSE SHE WAS SOOOO BEAUTIFUL,, GORGEOUS 🥰
I agree. She was a conquest and a possession for him.
I don’t think it’s about looks. He has a preference for minors. I think he married her to keep her tamed but was always going to haunt for more. He got too sloppy and it set her off.
THEY WERE BRAINWASHED BY HIM... HE MANIPULATESSSS THEM...
Jp was a wolf in sheep's clothing. He'll never be charged with any crime but he drove her to this. I think she realised she could never be free in her head. She realised, she could leave geographically but she'd never be emotionally free.
@@SusanaXpeace2u it wouldve been hard, but she couldve gotten away. She would have had to have been healthy, and sadly she was worn down to the point of not wanting to continue
He'll most definitely be charged with a crime. It won't have anything to do with Mica's death. He'll be charged in less than a month by FBI.
She didn't do it.
@Mr60minor How do you know? The case is closed and ruled a suicide. Deal with it.
He's about to be charged with several crimes! The FBI is investigating him as are multiple other agencies.
I never heard a person who had just lost a loved one say, "I am running on adrenaline". This is a first.
I think that statement will make sense when we look at the Pentecostal angle of JP church. For certain compulsive / addictive people, I'm afraid the Pentecostal / charismatic experience can be a kind of "religious meth." And that, to me, fits with a part of JP's revved up / overly edgy personality.
Slip up on his part.
SAD THAT JP WAS HER DESTRUCTION😢😢😢😢😢
He's 45, so what's so insulting and embarrassing about spending time with women in their 50s, he makes it sound like it's so beneath him. He's such a horrible human being.
I think, more precisely, he's very immature, like at a pathological level. Even the experts in narcissism will tell you the condition is thought to be connected to relatively infantile or childlike developmental states. Either way, the guy has major issues.
i’m over 50 and i’m awesome. just sayin…. 🎉🎉
@@andie-rl6id Yep and all of us awesome women will be cheering as he's put away for good. Justice for Mica.
@@troyanstone65 oh hell yes. it’s too bad more women didn’t step up to help her before. and the pathetic police department should have an investigation to see who was so useless with the “protect and serve” side of it
@troyanstone65 yeh, I noticed that too. Another clue. He doesn't see being a woman as lifelong series of stages, all with value, no, you're a woman if you're fukcab1€ as judged by him, and then, you're fawning over the pastor? Hoping he'll eat your homemade lasagne?¿? Apologies for the vulgarity, but that's how he sees it. Gross predator. He's not unique but I would hope that this is unusual in a pastor.
JUSTICE FOR MICA PLEASE 🙏🙏🙏
Very thoughtful video. There is no doubt that he is very talented musically and gifted at speaking to large crowds…but that does not make him a good man. I think a big part of the problem for the way the world is today, is that we make excuses for people’s behavior…All. The. Time! It’s just the enlightened thing to do. We can psychoanalyze to the point of taking away any responsibility someone has for their actions, and blame it on childhood trauma, insecurity, immaturity, brain chemistry, dementia, neighborhood bullies, or heck, maybe even the weather or their third cousin! And yet, this does not give them the right to treat another human being so despicably…to the point that they feel it’s necessary to take their life. There are SO many things that JP did to Mica, that he had no right to do. JP is a pathological liar…he does not know what truth is. He makes a statement or sends a text one week, then completely contradicts himself a week or two later. To him, if he was brutally honest, and that will never happen, the church is one big ATM, in fact, he had a money machine installed in the foyer of the church that Tricia Ross did a skit onstage about. If you want to join the church, you have “Pizza with the Pastor”, where you sit down with JP and discuss your finances. WTH!! The church also feeds his giant pit of insecurity with adoration and loyalty. What could be a better career for this self centered, attention seeking baby. His church knows he has a sex addiction…he has to have three members present if he meets with someone, “church rules”. They asked him to get help, he said he would, he didn’t, and he told them they could not tell him what to do. He owns the church and the property…end of discussion. He has no character or integrity or morals…and clearly no empathy. And the most disgusting thing about him is…he uses God.
@@larlar8580 im aware of that, but its still important to examine his situation and background. Not to lift him up, but rather to learn what we can from this
Exactly like it was prophecied in the bible. "In the LAST DAYS the church will go apostate" (paraphrased). These so called pastors are deceived.
Exactly. This is prophecied Great Apostasy. Hirelings and wolves are shepherding the flocks and devouring the sheep. It's horrific, but the Bible did warn us and it's only going to get worse. God have mercy.
JP also didn't mention, from the pulpit, that he was with another woman the day she died. That's not an allegation...it's his alibi.
yeah, the situation is just astonishing and very sad. Was it the widow of that wheelchair-bound "friend" of JP's who ended up dead in a pool?
Yes with a woman who’s husband died in a drowning accident 😮
That’s likely what set mica off. She knew he had something going on w her.
@@IyahHayi Possible, but it's also possible JP reacted to being served w new separation proceedings. He may have threatened her or said something to scare or intimidate her. I attempted to unalive myself like 14 yrs ago, and I was fine before the day when I "lost it." It can happen all of a sudden, even if you seem fine the days leading up to it. My hunch is that Mica was exhausted and sick of JP's harassing and intimidation. I think she felt depleted and exasperated. Maybe, in a way, she thought that JP's skill at maintaining a "good image" would finally be brought down, if she just unalived herself. In a way, it was the most damaging thing she could have done to get back at JP and finally put him in his place. I wish she hadn't done that, but I'm just trying to understand why she did it.
@@pdquestions7673 I don’t think he was concerned about the separation. He made it clear that he reacted out of her trying to tarnish his reputation. She knew what he cared about and she wasn’t one of those things.
A pastor whose wife was not adequately cared for by him to the extent she’d take her life ought to be ashamed to be preaching. He was involved in her death somehow.
what seems obvious to me is that Mica was literally depleted and desecrated living alongside JP and his unresolved personality issues. In that sense, I can see that he took her life-essence, which would foreseeably lead to was apparently did happen.
@@pdquestions7673 Spot on!
I think many in the Pentecostal movement (I’ve been a part of these types of churches for years with one foot on the outside) is that they seek, and get ‘addicted to’, emotional stimulation. That can be in the form of power over people, what FEELS like the power of the Holy Spirit, or perhaps other forms of stimuli that will keep that feeling going. Sadly, what at times could very well be the moving of the Holy Spirit, becomes something more, something man made, and something that turns into a craving. Often in some of these churches, if there isn’t a felt sense of the move of the Holy Spirit, the pastor will feel he needs to stir up emotions in another way. I think many of these leaders are addicted to the ‘high’ feelings and go elsewhere to get that. If they aren’t walking in constant humility before God and humility and accountability before people, they may seek to fill this craving in other sinful ways. So, so sad. And even more sad are the people who prop them up and continue to feed their ego.
interesting
I commend you for pointing out the good. We all have good and bad in us. Being raised Pentecostal Holiness this really helped me to look into my own flaws and failures. If we could all do that for ourselves and one another how much better would this society be. The devil is seeking to kill steal and destroy anything good. Thanks for this upload. We must love the unlovable and pray for one another. 🙏 😇 ❤
really appreciate that. :-) Obviously, JP is accountable for some very serious mistreatment of Mica (a much younger person), and being very dishonest to his congregation about their situation around her death. But he has a soul, and we have to learn from these situations. Something that really occurs to me, as a learning point, is that when we're coming out of addictions and toxic living, the recovery is very gradual. So, when we're coming out of that world and trying to build a church, that's ok, of course, but maybe they should limit the church to people in recovery, and maybe not invite regular families with teenage daughters... or at least have better boundaries w young people. I actually think it would be very good to have "recovery" churches for people coming our of addictions or even prison. I just feel like Mica was in a really toxic environment at that church. It's nobody's fault in a way... coming out of addictions, the recovery process is very slow, and sometimes people (like JP) don't really recover in all areas. So, looking at this case, I hope we can respect everyone's soul, but at the same time get realistic about what realworld recovery looks like. That might help us be smarter in the future when people in recovery want to start churches.
That church must’ve been taken lots of illegal money. It looks like a concert arena 💵💵
LIKE AN EVIL MAGIC HE HAS WITH ALL WOMEN👿👿👿
I appreciate your view and find it refreshing as I have followed this case from the beginning.
Some things that I would like to add:
-in my experience, when there is trauma in someone's background, a part of them is stuck at that age. JP's ex wife has stated that he was abused by his father in several ways as a boy, which would help explain his immaturity.
-As one who has been in these circles for 4 decades, including being in ministry--the tragic thing that too often happens, is the charisma and gifting of someone overshadows their immaturity and need of character building. That communicates what they "do" is more important than who they are. Putting ministry on a pedestal and form of idolatry before the person or even the people who will be affected by this person.
-Another issue, is that most of the "church" is still operating out of old covenant mentality where if someone messes up, even just a little bit, they're going to hell. There often isn't a safe place for them to be real and receive all that they do need. Thus, the secret life, lying, shame, etc. I do believe many have a true gift and desire to represent Christ, but the side that needs wholeness isn't allowed to come forth. On the other side, there is a sloppy grace where "restoration" when a leader falls, means taking time out before being put back up on the stage. This modern American way of "Christianity' is sadly so far away from what Christ modeled. He never even called anyone a "Christian", that was a pagan term used for his followers.
I greatly desire for the Resurrection Realities of the New Covenant to shine forth, allowing us to embrace our true new creation selves which is no longer sin conscious, but Christ conscious. If he truly dealt with sin--why do we continue to focus so much on it instead of our new creation, and that the old has passed away through him? I believe it is the focus on sin which keeps us bound. What if we were to just focus on Christ from an intimate relationship with him, instead of more rules and regulations that he died to fulfill?
Appreciate this comment. I guess my reaction is (1) I think the "Divine" is more mysterious than we often make it seem w all our bible knowledge. I think it's great to know the bible up and down, but we should still understand that the actual realities of God (Son & Holy Spirit) are still very mysterious. We can't fall into feeling that, with our mastery of the bible, we somehow have the realities of the Divine all mapped out and charted as though it were a fine-grained property survey. And (2) the miracles of Pentecost can be interpreted as part of a special time when Christ was recently departed, so still leaving like an afterglow of his presence on earth. The fact that the strong afterglow has subsided does NOT mean the spirit isn't still present, but we can just understand the Pentecostal period as a time of specially intense afterglow of Christ's recent departure. So we shouldn't necessary expect such an intense "spirit temperature" so to speak, until he starts to return. (just one way of interpreting the matter). In the meantime, the spirit is still present, but maybe in a fainter / more subtle form. So that still leaves room for Holy Spirit baptism, in theory, but maybe we should be realistic about the temperature or loudness of the spirit & not carry expectations (at least for now) of such a hot / loud spirit intensity like the early Christians experienced in the original Pentecost.
Just things that occur to me as I try to understand Acts.
Me thinks a dude named Steve Miller wrote that song. Space cowboy= Space preacher!
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I have never heard anyone say their death was self induced.
@@alwaysready4017 well the induced part sounds pretty accurate
We need more coercive control laws, it seems in this case that there was also many things that JP did or has people do to Mika that he should of been arrested 😢
Yes, people should lobby state legislatures.... Not always easy to do, but with enough public support, anything's possible at the state level - but, for now, I don't think the US is at the level of the UK where those laws are already on the books.
@@pdquestions7673 I believe I heard Mica’s parents are working on some laws,I don’t know any details but I wish them the best of luck…this man has hurt many people 😢
@@RachelUphus yeah, and its a crime that still isnt well defined.. i hope this case can help turn the tide
Thanks you did an excellent job sharing your insights, I agree and wish others would look at the situation at this depth
thanks, I really appreciate that :-)
I have seen many clips on this part of the case, but it's just clicked, why does jp even show up to preach, I know if myself or others had their partner pass away especially through suicide, I would disappear I would not go into work, I wouldn't go to church.
I definitely would not be making a joke about life.
I think he knew it was going down, and possibly knew before the police that Micha had ALLEDGEDLY ended her life
that could be true... but, let's think about it. JP knew (and his congregation didn't know) that they had started a divorce proceeding a month earlier, then dismissed it to try to reconcile, and then, just 2 days before Mica died, JP had been served with new separation paperwork. So JP knew that it would look terrible if Mica ended up unaliving herself right after serving JP. And JP knew they had been fighting terribly, so that makes him look bad. And JP knew, in his heart, that he had driven her to feel hopeless and depleted. So that gives him a LOT of motivation to start managing his image and spinning the situation to look like the marriage was ok but Mica had "mental problems." He knew privately that he had crushed and depleted her, and so he desperately had to spin the situation so that he looked like the good / healthy husband & Mica looked like the mental case. I think he was just in desperate damage control, because he knew how bad it was... and his congregation still didn't know all of the details, so he was trying to get ahead of the story. Terribly selfish, but it doesn't mean he directly killed her. He did enough by desecrating her and depleting her over years, foreseeably leading her to feel empty and broken... so he knew he was responsible for that.
Great video. Glad we’re off the politics too. Personally I’ve had enough of that stuff.
@@deecondon2816 thanks 😁😁
JP was hanging with women who were closer to his age than Mica. 5 years older to be exact. Dude tried to make them sound old on purpose. 50 isn't elderly.
@@joleenmichele if it makes a difference, im 54, lol... but i think JP was trying to create the impression of hanging out w "old" people... like managing how people perceive him
Good video !!
thanks 🙂 appreciate that 🙂
Very Insughtful. You are very open minded.
thanks 🙂
#justiceforMica #prisonforJPMiller
Different take on the incidents, I like your video but still have some questions. I will wait for the content of the second part before I put them in. I had the misfortune of being in a Pentecostal church with an abusive pastor ( not as bad as JP).so I know how things work to some extent. God bless
Before getting into their relationship, I may dive deeper into JP's sermons & his clear pentacostalist ideas... then trace the history of pentacostalism. It's an interesting movement, and obviously some pastors do it better than others. But for some it's basically religious meth. Depends on the personality, I think.
@@pdquestions7673 thank you. I think most of these churches work like clubs. It is more motivational speaking and saying things that the congregation prefers every Sunday than actual Bible study. At least that is my experience. The congregants are treated more like customers than sheep.
@@desertrose6516 interesting. I wonder why there aren't churches limited to people in addictions recovery... Keep it limited, so as not to attract innocent families.
@@pdquestions7673 it probably will be less victims in the worldly sense but either way the congregation will be under wrong teaching and all of them will end up spiritually bankrupt. Just my opinion.
@@desertrose6516 do you see that as true with all pentacostals?
YES JP IS SOOO RELIGIOUSSSS,, EVIL 💯 EVIL RELIGIOUS LESSS
Is there a part 2 yet?
@@lynnnelson4519 still thinkin lol
No because it's Worldly music
Thank you I don't know why people that say they love God and think it is please to God be he Jesus Christ said when you give your heart ❤️ to him leave the world behind you and follow him we don't drag the world with you we an we do his will but not the will of the world people is just using God's name to do the devil 👿 will you either love God and not the world 🌎 you can't serve two master you going to love an let the other one groan when you truly love God he will take care of your every need and I know he will but people is letting that devil 👿 fool them though there eyes 👀 ands 👂 but God speaks to thes 💜❤️💜❤️ we have to be careful and who we are listening 🎧 to in Jesus Christ name 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 Love you 💝 though Jesus Christ your Lord and Savior 💖
He's a full-blown narcissist who uses everyone around him to fuel his ego. Yes, she is depleted. Narcissists can drive their victims to severe hopelessness, they can never do enough and--as you say--they also are emptied of self-confidence. He doesn't care that she's dead. He will find another major source of ego fuel. A narcissist just cares about the perception of themselves by others. That's his focus. She was merely his fuel.
I think the label of "depression" or "bipolar" is too superficial. Lots of things can lead us to a manic-depressive or depressive state. It can be spontaneous and organic, but it can also be a bad reaction to drugs or stress, or - often - it can be a sign of emotional depletion. To be honest, I think the world of psychology is very ideological and full of clumsy categories and blunt labels.
@@pdquestions7673 Yes, and terms like "narcissist" are overused! But I think this is an actual example. I do agree, too many labels bandied about.
Hello !!!! 50 is not ELDERLY!!!! Come on!!!! Older yes
@@CJP45 im 54 by the way... im just hyperbolizing to try to describe JP's intent lol
it feels like you are trying to make excuses for these bad abusive people!
Excuses: not at all. But trying to understand? Yes, that what I do w these videos.
Testosterone has a lot of psychosamatic symptoms.
@@Beckytilley-nk3qv im sure... it really is a disturbing form of abuse
To enhance her sexual drive.
There are no large-scale clinical studies that indicate testosterone will increase libido in premenopausal women.
@@pdquestions7673 I absolutely agree.
Seems to me they’re just the worst kind of hypocrites.
of course that's true, but if you want to understand the situation you have to kind of look at it. It's easy to dismiss people and situations with quick one-liners or single words... and I don't disagree w you, but I think it's important to take an honest slow look & examine these situations.
@@pdquestions7673 we’ll have to agree to disagree - on a fundamental level they’re telling (or advising) people how to live their lives based on the teachings of a Holy Book whilst doing the opposite themselves- this, to me, raises it above the level of day to day hypocrisy (which is everywhere) and onto another plane of deception.
@@angelakyle4838 - oh i'm not denying they're hypocrites. I'm just saying I want to try to understand them.
@@angelakyle4838it’s not all of them. It definitely applies to this one and many others but there are honorable ministers.
Is not what he did in public is was he does behind close doors 👹
absolutely, totally agree. I will still try to study his background, just because that's where I'm going w the deep dive. Always, with these cases, we want to learn as much as possible. For example, the more we learn about Solid Rock, the more it seems clear that families w teenage kids should probably avoid churches with a lot of former addicts or people in "recovery." And people who want to start "recovery" churches (for people with addictions / criminal history) should probably avoid trying to attract families and children / teenagers.
That you feel guilty of what he did to mica
I feel disgusted by what he did, because I think he desecrated and depleted her, and left her in a position to decompensate into mental crisis. When you mention guilt, we have to wonder if, at some level, JP feels guilty. For that to be true, he'd have to accept what he's done, and I don't know if he's ready or able to do that yet.
"12 ladies over 50"....ummm.....he is 45. Those women are age appropriate. He has absolutely no self awareness what so ever. Its gross.
I know... even Carl Lentz isn't that cringe, but we still have to look into his life & culture and try to understand him. In the end, my only goal is learning from these cases. Maybe in the future, when former addicts and "badboys" want to start a new church, they should limit it to a "recovery" church (w limited congregations) and not be attracting innocent families w teenage daughters.
@pdquestions7673 I use to occasionally listen to Carl-11 years ago. He came to my old church here in Montana. For me-Carl wasn't hard to listen to the way JP is. I struggle through it. I cringe. Both I believe both enjoy the stage but John Pauls squeaky voiced, attention seeking arrogance is on a whole different level. He is an intelligent man with the emotional maturity of a child. It has been stated in court documents by his ex wife Allison that his father molested him when he was a boy. I dont think JP ever matured past the age of when those crimes took place.
That sounds about right. And I also think the atmosphere of charismatic / pentecostal Christianity may have been a bad match for someone with that kind of troubled background. I think it's fair to say that JP isn't just immature. I think he's grossly immature, which is very serious & dangerous when combined with his superficial cleverness and talents. I think he's a very troubled person and probably, frankly, at some risk of harming himself.
You had me then you lost me. John Paul Miller may be extroverted and (somewhat) charismatic, but generally that’s most of the pastors I’ve ever come in contact with, and while it’s not a requirement, it’s the t”personality type that fits the job description. And while JP BLATANTLY displays narcissistic traits and clearly loves the sound of his own voice and seems to love the attention and reverence that comes from being a Pastor, especially from what once was a decent size church, I wouldn’t categorize him as a “charismata” nor is his denomination Pentecostal in declaration & not in character. I think you are generalizing the religion of Pentecostal with a type of characteristics rather than an ideology…..
And let’s not forget, Lucifer was the angel of music.
I just think it's important to understand JP, in part, as having some affinity for charismatic Christianity, even if he's not exactly Assemblies of God or whatever. I also note his friendship with Word of Faith pastor Jesse Duplantis... again, not so far from the Pentecostal branch of 20th-21st century christianity. I'm not trying to be too precise about that, but I think it gives us a rough neighborhood of context to understand JP...
He was playing bunko with age appropriate women. Women his age! Mica was too young for him.
lol, I totally agree
Exactly
I think part of the story is missing here. JP met her when he was married and she was 14. He groomed her. She was a child when he encouraged her and tried to shape her. I don’t think she was a magnet for trouble. I respectfully disagree with you.
this is Part 1... don't recall saying "magnet"... no focus on the relationship yet. I wanted to start with the Religious Context. Later, once the foundation is laid on the religious context and the forming of the church, it will then make sense to introduce how Mica found the church as a teenager. At that point, we can really deepdive into how they got to know each other, and how their relationship evolved. This was just part 1, and I felt it was important to start w the religious context, because I think the Pentecostal context is relevant to some of JP's issues & how this relationship got started and evolved.
wait, I think i understand what you mean. I was talking about other pentecostal-type extroverted charismatic preachers who ended up sort of attracted to scandal. I'm not saying Mica herself was a magnet. I'm trying to suggest that the edgy bodily "holy spirit" reality of Charismatic Christianity can (for addictive people) drive them to always be seeking the "edge" in everything. This may be a component of how JP was driven to see prostitutes, and also to drive Mica to use steroids... like driving everything to the edge. It's not that Mica was a magnet, but rather that JP felt driven to live life on the dangerous edge (which would have the effect of depleting people close to him). That's the only reference to magnet that I mentioned (as I recall).
Huh? If you have an actual relationship with God you're prone to doing crazy stuff?? Nope. That's not a true relationship with God.
@@annarichards6056 those arent really my words. Im very doubtful of the "bodily felt" holy spirit, so that should explain that im not suggesting an authentic relationship w God. But i am trying to understand the dangers of the Pentecostal or charismatic experience.