The BEST shoe for training Barefoot? || VivoBarefoot Motus Strength Review

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  • Опубликовано: 17 ноя 2024

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  • @TheBarefootStrengthProject
    @TheBarefootStrengthProject  5 месяцев назад +2

    New To Barefoot Shoes - Checkout Our Barefoot Transition Guide 🚀: www.barefootstrengthproject.com/barefoot-transition-guide

  • @thaltrail9142
    @thaltrail9142 Год назад +11

    Good, fair review. Been thinking about buying these. I've got a pair of Vivos from 2012 that are still going strong! Hard to believe they cost a measly £45 back then!

  • @rohanpolicherla3843
    @rohanpolicherla3843 10 месяцев назад +6

    Came for the review, stayed for the macroeconomics lecture… all kidding aside, this was one of the most insightful shoe reviews i’ve ever seen

    • @TheBarefootStrengthProject
      @TheBarefootStrengthProject  10 месяцев назад

      I’m pleased you found it useful 🙌🏽

    • @scaredofkids
      @scaredofkids 6 месяцев назад

      Read this comment before I watched, thought it sounded farfetched then did exactly what you said.

  • @junkim2789
    @junkim2789 Год назад +5

    A great review! I do boxing training and I was not sure whether I should go for Primus Lite III or Motus. Vivo C/S team said Motus might make a better option for me due to its sturdy construction, but as I watch this review, it became all clear now. lack of flexibility and restriction of movement of Motus wouldn't serve me well. So Primus Lite III for me! Thank you for the review!

    • @TheBarefootStrengthProject
      @TheBarefootStrengthProject  Год назад +2

      Good choice! I do a lot of striking sports (boxing, Muay Thai, kickboxing) and if I’m wearing something on my feet - it’s the Primus Lite 🔥. Let me know how you get on 🙌🏽

  • @estebansolano
    @estebansolano Год назад +2

    I regularly do CrossFit WODs and strength training in my Vivos (Primus Trail II FG and Primus Trail Knit FG). I absolutely love it. Not going back to Nanos and/or Metcons.
    These Motus are a step in the right direction for cross training.

    • @TheBarefootStrengthProject
      @TheBarefootStrengthProject  Год назад +1

      We’re cut from the same cloth! 100%, you should try out the Motus if you ever get the chance - I’d be interested to hear how you think they stack up next to the Trail Knit!

    • @lucapazzaglini9539
      @lucapazzaglini9539 11 месяцев назад

      I also use Primus trail Knit but I have to say the sole is so hard (shoes come for trail running). At the and of a WOD with rope jumps, box jumps etc.. my feet feel so bad especially the metatarsal area. So I was wondering if these motus (or the primus lite knit) will have a softer bouncing sole?

  • @deniszarubin6021
    @deniszarubin6021 Год назад +4

    Can you run a comparison vs xero 360? Would be great if you can run some outdoor basketball in these.. Thanks for review, watching them drop on sales!

  • @lucanicoletti
    @lucanicoletti Год назад +4

    I'm using the Primus Lite knit at the gym for everything, and they're perfect!

    • @TheBarefootStrengthProject
      @TheBarefootStrengthProject  Год назад +1

      They’re brilliant and what I’ve relied on almost exclusively for the past 3 years BUT if you’re doing lots of movements with toe impact, or rope climbing etc, these are well worth looking into. If not though, the Primus lites are 👌🏽

    • @simplymiya3820
      @simplymiya3820 9 месяцев назад +1

      @@TheBarefootStrengthProjectWould your recommend primus lite or knit for weightlifting and high intensity training?

    • @TheBarefootStrengthProject
      @TheBarefootStrengthProject  9 месяцев назад +1

      @@simplymiya3820 I would get the lite BEFORE the knit as the knit has much more flexibility in the upper making it less stable for high intensity work.
      I have a video coming out tomorrow comparing the Primus Lite iii's with the new TYR DropZero's, I'd recommend giving that a watch before buying anything!

    • @simplymiya3820
      @simplymiya3820 9 месяцев назад

      @@TheBarefootStrengthProject Thank you for your recommendation. I have such small feet, so I’m thankful that Vivobarefoot came out with a women size 4.5. I’m wearing Nike Metcons since they have small sizes but I don’t love the shoes as much.

    • @TheBarefootStrengthProject
      @TheBarefootStrengthProject  9 месяцев назад +1

      @@simplymiya3820 you'll notice a BIG difference between the Vivos and the Metcons. It'll feel very shaky at first (like you can't really balance) but you'll be flying in no time at all 🙌🏼

  • @AlecFortescue
    @AlecFortescue Год назад +5

    looks more sturdy than primus lite. Will defo consider those once my replacements wear down (got toe holes after 3 months). This is my problem with Vivo's: their shoes wear down mad fast for the $ but at least they honor replacement policies and warranties. They charge people so much because they included inevitable replacements and recycling into the shoe price. Heard they also sell recycled shoes as new in hopes they will hold up, so they are easy on replacements.

    • @TheBarefootStrengthProject
      @TheBarefootStrengthProject  Год назад +1

      Yes and no, I’ve been through many a pair but find the greatest amount of wear happens when I’m using them outside of their designed scope. Using the Tracker Forest ESC’s on concrete for example but as you say they’ve always been on it with replacements and the revivo (return and repair service) is top notch. Hopefully I’ll get to do a video on it at some point!

    • @guraygu
      @guraygu Год назад +2

      Been wearing vivos for 10 years. I find the soles will last for years... Unless you run frequently. I for sure have never had a pair develop actual holes though.

    • @scottgoof7
      @scottgoof7 Год назад

      I just wish they would they would add the send in to get repaired for North America cause some of mine are going to be breaking down soon and I won’t be able to get them fixed, I can only send them into revivo so that they won’t get put into the landfill. ​@@TheBarefootStrengthProject

  • @TadeuszCantwell
    @TadeuszCantwell Год назад

    On the why shoes aren't minimal I was watching some historical shoe videos on RUclips, in the 1810-1840's heels went away, after becoming fashionable in the 1700's. I've also took another chance on Vivo getting a pair of primus all weather which fit better over the foot and have less toe space. I think what was happening with my previous shoes is the loose fit meant they slid forward slightly which wore away the lugs after a week.

  • @adamsc1181
    @adamsc1181 11 месяцев назад +1

    I have these shoes. Their great except for someone who does a lot of explosive lateral movement.
    Best way i can explain it, is I couldn’t play basketball in them full speed.

  • @ForteanEnquirer
    @ForteanEnquirer Год назад +1

    I have been using these just generally walking for about a month, I find them very comfy.

    • @TheBarefootStrengthProject
      @TheBarefootStrengthProject  Год назад

      Nice! Have you tried doing any training in them at all?

    • @ForteanEnquirer
      @ForteanEnquirer Год назад +1

      @@TheBarefootStrengthProject nothing intense 10 min sessions of kettlebell swings, 15 min sessions of rowing, hour long walks and sometimes wearing them all day for work. No real problems with any of that. (I wear barefoot shoes 100% of the time though, so fully transitions). Only thing is the reinforcement on the back of the heels sometimes catches when unstrapping my feet from the rowing machine.

    • @TheBarefootStrengthProject
      @TheBarefootStrengthProject  Год назад +1

      @@ForteanEnquirer yeah I can see how that might happen but if that’s the only issue with them though I’d say you’ve made a good purchase 😆

  • @riosvalenzuela1044
    @riosvalenzuela1044 Год назад +2

    Great review man! 😌
    I've been wearing barefoot shoes daily for the last 9 months, including when I play volleyball. I'm training to improve my vertical jump and hopefully dunk one day, and I've been doing so in barefoot shoes.
    I've had a pair of vivobarefoot primus lite III, primus trail III, Magna trail FG, and Xero 360 which have worked well. I find the narrow toe-box of typical shoes doesn't grant enough surface area when pushing through my toes during the run up for a jump. And I dont feel like i get anything from the cushioning and stack height either.
    I also watched your review of the Hydra ESC, and I'm wondering what you think would be a good pair for jumping outdoors on concrete. I'm using my primus trail IIIs for this at the moment, and I play volley in my magna fgs. Thanks!

    • @riosvalenzuela1044
      @riosvalenzuela1044 Год назад +1

      I've loved jumping in my xero 360s, and my primus trails (though at the beginning I found a bit of foot roll with these). The wear in for my magna fgs was real rough but they're great to play in.
      To be honest, I'm not 100% sure how sustainable barefoot shoes will be for jumping but I've been using them to jump everyday for the last 9 months largely without problem. Anyway I'm curious to see what options you'd recommend I try for my next pair! My primus' are on their last legs as far as jumping goes hahaha

    • @TheBarefootStrengthProject
      @TheBarefootStrengthProject  Год назад

      The low top tracker decons are pretty awesome for that stuff OR you could use your Primus Trail III's BUT with an extra insole (so 2 in total) to help with the impact of repeated jumping!

  • @duncanhamilton5841
    @duncanhamilton5841 Год назад +2

    Yep. Was bemused by people criticising them for their own biomechanical shortcomings.
    As for price. As previously commented on your channel - its less about Vivo being expensive, and more about the mainstream being cheap.

    • @TheBarefootStrengthProject
      @TheBarefootStrengthProject  Год назад

      💯 with you on that dude. Buy cheap, buy twice!

    • @duncanhamilton5841
      @duncanhamilton5841 Год назад

      @@TheBarefootStrengthProject well I'd like to think it's Vivo not using 5p per day Vietnamese kid sweatshop to make their stuff.

    • @guraygu
      @guraygu Год назад +1

      ​@@duncanhamilton5841pretty sure their current manufacturing is in Vietnam. Just like many other shoe and apparel brands. Doesn't mean they're using sweatshops though.

  • @stefansorea8175
    @stefansorea8175 7 месяцев назад +1

    Hi, great reviews, sir! May I ask, what Vivobarefoot model/s do you recommend for basketball? I've bought a pair of Decon FG2 Low on 45, and they are fantastic for walking, running, but not that amazing for lateral movement.

    • @TheBarefootStrengthProject
      @TheBarefootStrengthProject  7 месяцев назад

      Thank you! I’m not sure there is a perfect option, these (Motus) have got the best lateral support but aren’t fantastic for running and you’d be paying for a lot of features you wouldn’t need (rope knurling and heel sliders for example), the Primus lites could be an option but again, lack lateral support. No matter which way you go there probably will always be a bit of a compromise

  • @CHLS821
    @CHLS821 4 месяца назад +1

    Thank you for your videos. One question:
    What do you think about Motus for HYROX race? (Run, push/pull sled, farmer carry…..)

    • @TheBarefootStrengthProject
      @TheBarefootStrengthProject  4 месяца назад

      Should be good, not the most comfortable for running distance but given the runs are broken up it shouldn't be an issue and will be the best option for the Hyrox specific movements

    • @CHLS821
      @CHLS821 4 месяца назад

      What do you think about the grip?
      I usually run wearing Merrell vapor glove or merrell trail glove but I’m looking for better shoe for Hyrox (better grip for the sled, wider toe box, better ankle support…..) do you have any better suggestion?

    • @TheBarefootStrengthProject
      @TheBarefootStrengthProject  4 месяца назад

      @@CHLS821 I've used them for some very heavy sled pushes (250kg +) and they held up well. If you're concerned about it though you could order them (Motus) and the Primus Trail FG (which have lugs) then try them both out to see which you prefer. Vivo has a 100 day return policy so can just send back the loser

  • @gbelhal2271
    @gbelhal2271 Год назад +1

    The Donut shirt >
    Nice video btw

  • @hisdesciples
    @hisdesciples Год назад

    Keep bringing in the content. Just subscribed.

  • @don2672
    @don2672 Год назад +1

    What about Zumba and cardio kickboxing classes....Which shoe is better? I'm not sure If I should get the vivo lotus or the primus lite. I have the noble knit runners and they hurt my feet when doing these classes.

    • @TheBarefootStrengthProject
      @TheBarefootStrengthProject  Год назад +1

      I would opt for the Primus lites - they’re not as stiff as the Motus which will be better for Zumba/cardio bits 🙌🏽

    • @don2672
      @don2672 Год назад

      @@TheBarefootStrengthProject thank you! This helped a lot!

  • @alyssajugmohunsingh1352
    @alyssajugmohunsingh1352 10 месяцев назад +1

    Which would you recommend for gym with some heavy lifting and doing atg exercises like atg split squats and sledding etc?

    • @TheBarefootStrengthProject
      @TheBarefootStrengthProject  10 месяцев назад +1

      These would work great (Motus) or even the Primus Trail Knit FG if you do a lot of heavy sleds as the lugs will grip Astro better 🫡

    • @alyssajugmohunsingh1352
      @alyssajugmohunsingh1352 10 месяцев назад

      @@TheBarefootStrengthProject thank you very much!

    • @DeePat-gd5so
      @DeePat-gd5so 28 дней назад

      Notorious lift radix and xero neo prio are cheaper options though. And will meet your requirements. FG is a trail shoe. And motor flex is a crosstraing/crossfit shoe. Notorious lift radix also look better for casual ware.

  • @pablomo1998
    @pablomo1998 Год назад +1

    Hello! I normally wear a 43 EU in the rest of my daily sneakers (Nike, Autry...) and they fit me well, neither tight nor loose...what size do you recommend?

    • @TheBarefootStrengthProject
      @TheBarefootStrengthProject  Год назад

      Hi! I personally go true to size with Vivo as I like a snug fit but still with width in the toe box. They do have a size guide tool on the website which is quite accurate and a 100 day return policy so if you do get the wrong size you can switch them over pretty easily!

  • @salsomma579
    @salsomma579 Год назад

    I have pair of these, Haze Trainers and York Athletic Franks. The Motus is basically useless in mixed classes and I am in excellent shape. They are extremely poor laterally but great stationary lifting. The Haze is best overall and the Yorks superb with very athletic workouts. Overall the Motus has virtually no application for me.

    • @TheBarefootStrengthProject
      @TheBarefootStrengthProject  Год назад

      That’s fair! I like them for lifting but would still opt for my Primus lites in a lot of cases (Muay Thai generally)

  • @hellohihihi3096
    @hellohihihi3096 Год назад

    Donut Media x Barefoot Strength Project, sounds like a fun collab to me

    • @TheBarefootStrengthProject
      @TheBarefootStrengthProject  Год назад

      I’d be all over that! I was actually wondering the other day about the shoes racing drivers wear, I’d imagine they can’t be that far away from barefoot shoes save a slightly narrower toe box. Maybe I’ll get a pair to test out 😆

  • @pakalpokas
    @pakalpokas Год назад +1

    What do you think about Motus and plyometric, power and speed type of workouts (with a lot of jumps and change of direction)?
    I have been using Primus Lite III previously and they held up pretty well, except if I accidentally slide the upper gets damaged easily and I have to be conscious of it when I am tired and technique gets sloppy. When using with Toes Spacers, toes don't slide around on change of direction movements and it gives good balance between stability and mobility.
    I was wondering if I should change up, but I heard Primus Lite Knit slides around on lateral movements because of their upper, but I am wondering if Motus are not too stiff and their sole would not wear out fast because of rapid side movements. As I understand Motus would be great for weightlifting and, but maybe the TYR L-1 would be more extreme version of that.

    • @TheBarefootStrengthProject
      @TheBarefootStrengthProject  Год назад

      Durability wise they stack up better than the Primus Lites due to the exoskeleton, the 'cup' style sole also provides a more supportive base allowing for quicker changes of direction - especially in comparison to the knits.
      I haven't found their soles to wear out any faster than the lites so far (after a solid year + of use). The Tyr L1 would be a heavy step towards weightlifting by comparison, definitely not suitable to any plyometric work!

  • @hyper_fn_al1459
    @hyper_fn_al1459 4 месяца назад

    Durable enough for the track? Or is there a better suited barefoot shoe for sprinting? (Ideally one with spikes)
    This seems to have the most all-round stability (I can't stand my feet sliding as I sprint and turn hard corners).

  • @Pappisnapshot
    @Pappisnapshot 3 месяца назад

    Where do get these exact pair?

  • @beckscald3855
    @beckscald3855 Год назад +2

    Quick question. I live in the UK and it's coming onto winter.. which means rain. Any ideas about barefoot shoe that a light but will keep feet dry?

    • @TheBarefootStrengthProject
      @TheBarefootStrengthProject  Год назад +2

      I’ve done a lot of UK winter trail running and found the Primus Trail All Weathers to be about as good as you can get. That said, if you’re running through fields, puddles etc wet feet are a near inevitability 🙌🏽

    • @beckscald3855
      @beckscald3855 Год назад

      @@TheBarefootStrengthProject I don't do running. I train at home so would just be walking when it's wet.

    • @duncanhamilton5841
      @duncanhamilton5841 Год назад +1

      @@beckscald3855 Primus Lite All Weather. Surprisingly water resistant - wash the car with mine

    • @beckscald3855
      @beckscald3855 Год назад

      @@duncanhamilton5841 bit out of my price range for now.

    • @TheBarefootStrengthProject
      @TheBarefootStrengthProject  Год назад +1

      @@beckscald3855 you should check out the revivo site, they often have stock of both the Primus Lite all weather and trail 🙌🏽.

  • @manny9025
    @manny9025 Год назад +1

    Which would you recommend for all around workouts, lifting, kettle bell workouts, martial arts workouts(muay thai, boxing) hiit workouts, agility workouts. The primus lite 3 or this motus ? Interested if m both

    • @TheBarefootStrengthProject
      @TheBarefootStrengthProject  Год назад +1

      Because you mentioned Muay Thai & boxing, the Primus Lites. Without that, the Motus 🙌🏽🙌🏽

    • @manny9025
      @manny9025 Год назад +1

      @@TheBarefootStrengthProject i appreciate that. Thank you! If im a 11.5 should i go for the 12(45)?

    • @TheBarefootStrengthProject
      @TheBarefootStrengthProject  Год назад +1

      @@manny9025 yessir - and make sure you save yourself 10% with the channel code GT10 🙌🏽

    • @manny9025
      @manny9025 Год назад

      @@TheBarefootStrengthProject thank you and thanks for the help 🙏

  • @josiaharnold8881
    @josiaharnold8881 Год назад

    Thanks, man great review! I've used Primus Lite's for a while and love them. I am looking for a pair for my lady and would love some advice. She has a wide foot and has been struggling with a Bunyon on the outside of her foot. She also has issues with a stiff handle at times from a break when she was younger. I want to get her into some Vivo's to see if it helps her in general. She's into lifting/CrossFit and a little bit of running (not long-distance mostly sub 5km crossfit stuff). Would you suggest this model or the Primus lite knit? Looks are a slight part of the equation but not the be-all and end-all. Price isn't an issue I just want to get the right thing for her as someone starting out in barefoot shoes. Any ideas? Thanks again!

    • @TheBarefootStrengthProject
      @TheBarefootStrengthProject  Год назад +2

      Thank you! Personally, I'd say she'll be better off with the general Primus Lite iii (not knit). It's thinner and more flexible throughout so where the motus will 'cup' your foot for lifts, she might find the higher & stiffer sole irritates her bunion. It'll also be a bit more forgiving for her running unless she's literally just doing it as part of an occasional WOD in which case they'll both be quite easily matched. But overall, I'd lean towards the Primus Lite iii for the time being. Hope that helps!

    • @josiaharnold8881
      @josiaharnold8881 Год назад +1

      Super helpful, thank you! Curious why you suggest primus lite iii over the knits? @@TheBarefootStrengthProject

    • @TheBarefootStrengthProject
      @TheBarefootStrengthProject  Год назад +3

      @@josiaharnold8881 you mentioned she was into CrossFit. The toe and heel material of the Knits will wear through a lot faster from burpees, push ups etc than the reinforced material used on the Primus Lite OG’s

  • @mrinalkundu1521
    @mrinalkundu1521 Год назад +1

    Great and fair review.

  • @weightupmountainguy
    @weightupmountainguy 5 месяцев назад +1

    I have been doing crossfit in sandals for the last 3 years. I think these will be thick enough 😆

  • @Ferbocarbo
    @Ferbocarbo 4 месяца назад

    Any updates? 👀

  • @tribalart88
    @tribalart88 11 месяцев назад

    I wear a size 42 but would you suggest going down a size for a snug fit?

    • @TheBarefootStrengthProject
      @TheBarefootStrengthProject  11 месяцев назад

      It all boils down to personal preference, I like a snug (but not tight) fit so ordered true to size. They've been great!

  • @piodingle7943
    @piodingle7943 Год назад

    What's the difference between the Motus Strength JJF and the Motus Strength?

    • @TheBarefootStrengthProject
      @TheBarefootStrengthProject  Год назад

      The JJF is a limited edition collab with surfer John John Florence. It’s got some nice red accents and a fancy insole but no real structural difference between the two 🙌🏽

  • @nnapsR
    @nnapsR 10 месяцев назад

    my foot is a 4ee do they come in XXWide?

  • @juanambriz9438
    @juanambriz9438 10 месяцев назад

    do they have a similar fit to the primus lite 3?

  • @jasonperrott9529
    @jasonperrott9529 10 месяцев назад +1

    Is the 10% code no longer valid? Just tried and it doesn't accept it

    • @TheBarefootStrengthProject
      @TheBarefootStrengthProject  10 месяцев назад

      It won’t work on any of their sale items but otherwise GT10 should still work. Which country are you in?

    • @jasonperrott9529
      @jasonperrott9529 10 месяцев назад

      @@TheBarefootStrengthProject ah, that's the problem - I was trying to use it on some discounted Motus strength. Just tried it on the full price black ones and it works! Thank you! 😊

  • @anarchist_parable
    @anarchist_parable 3 месяца назад

    My problem is $240 for a plastic shoe

  • @BroccoliRocks
    @BroccoliRocks Год назад

    What I would like in a barefoot show:
    * waterproof - I don't want to fear the rain, puddles, etc
    * made for pedestrians who go to the gym
    * under $70 USD without compromises
    * all black to blend into the business casual office.

    • @mrinalkundu1521
      @mrinalkundu1521 Год назад +1

      A pair of Gobi from Revivo.

    • @TheBarefootStrengthProject
      @TheBarefootStrengthProject  Год назад +1

      👆🏽👆🏽 he’s on the mark if you can find some, otherwise the closest you’ll find would be the FeelGrounds Original Luxe in all black, they’re over budget at $95 US (currently on sale) and I haven’t personally tried the Luxe version (just the knit) but I’ve heard good things. You’d struggle to find anything cheaper than that you could get away with in the office.

  • @jesseauwerda732
    @jesseauwerda732 2 месяца назад +1

    Love your content, but it’s very clickbaity to use dr. Aaron in you’re thumbnail. Especially considering he has his own shoe brand ‘TYR’, so now it looks like he is affiliated with Vivo which couldn’t be farther from the truth.

  • @eriktapia3938
    @eriktapia3938 6 месяцев назад +1

    I love how you are an undercover petrolhead

    • @TheBarefootStrengthProject
      @TheBarefootStrengthProject  6 месяцев назад

      Not me seeing this on my way to go buy another project motorbike 👀🥷 (I swear this one’ll work 😂)

  • @omsval1485
    @omsval1485 Год назад +1

    Best barefoot shoes for boxing?

    • @TheBarefootStrengthProject
      @TheBarefootStrengthProject  Год назад +2

      Vivo Primus Lites for sure, I do quite a few striking sports and they’re on point 👌🏽

    • @Kullie
      @Kullie Год назад

      @@TheBarefootStrengthProjectWhat would your recommend for court indoor games like Volleyball, Badminton, etc. ?

    • @TheBarefootStrengthProject
      @TheBarefootStrengthProject  Год назад +1

      @@Kullie Primus Trail Knit FG or low top Decon SG 👌🏽

  • @aclsass
    @aclsass Год назад +1

    Looks good

  • @z0uLess
    @z0uLess 5 месяцев назад +1

    Did you just say "first impression number two"?

    • @TheBarefootStrengthProject
      @TheBarefootStrengthProject  5 месяцев назад

      Wait till you get to first impression number 3, it'll blow your mind 😉

    • @z0uLess
      @z0uLess 5 месяцев назад

      @@TheBarefootStrengthProject 😆

  • @cryptomando
    @cryptomando Год назад

    Shoe is great but if you live in hot, humid climates or desert climates they are unbearable they are covered in tpu plastic that cooks your feet and pretty much guarantees smelly, athletes foot. Otherwise I loved them just can't open own them.

    • @TheBarefootStrengthProject
      @TheBarefootStrengthProject  Год назад

      You’d be surprised, I used the ones in the video to train in Bali for 6 months and they held up pretty well!

    • @Klumsyy13
      @Klumsyy13 8 месяцев назад

      @@TheBarefootStrengthProject were you training outdoors as well? Did they do well in the sun? Like 90 degree weather🥲

    • @TheBarefootStrengthProject
      @TheBarefootStrengthProject  8 месяцев назад

      @@Klumsyy13 I did train outside in them in temperatures over 90f but never in direct sunlight