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I appreciate you including fit & sizing details and recommendations. I ordered Vivobarefoot direct from the company (during free shipping) in part because of their return policy.
@@sorbabaric1 of course! I’m also starting to host Vivobarefoot models on That Fit Friend Shop and am aiming to have a solid return policy as well :) for future stuff!
Thanks Jake. Love your videos and it’s so cool that you’re in Austin too! Which would you recommend for running a 5k? I already have the primus lite III, motus, trail knit, lite knit. But I can always add to my collection if you think there’s ones that’s better.
Ayy! If you ever want to link for coffee or a workout, lmk! The models I’ve used most are the trail knit, geo racer, and Primus lite iii. Think you’re solid with your lineup and no need to spend more, imo!
Great video. I can't decide which shoe would be best for all my needs or if I need to get 2 pairs. I like the motus flex concept very much but I'm concerned as you are, with the durability of a daily wear. i 'd just wear them to the gym. I just received a pair of trail sg all weather's in eu45 which is a 1/2 size down from my addis and they feel perfect. I bought them for soccer cleats. They feel so comfy and perfect on my feet, that I want another pair that fits similarly but is more practical than the trail sg's. I was considering trail knit fg's but I noticed you didn't include them here. OR Maybe the primus lites but I'll be wearing them a lot on concrete as daily wear. The asana's look nice but they might be a litle too loose for what I do in the gym. Also I'd like to do lite runs on concrete in them. What do you suggest?
Trail Knit FG are great - I didn't include them because they have a new iteration out and I have yet to buy and review them, so I didn't want to include an old pick that people can't find anymore! Primus Lite III are tried and true. Motus Flex is great, but if you wanna wear em in rain, I'd weatherproof the bottom/lower sides of the shoe to play it safe! Either way - think you'd be happy with all three of these, so I'd proceed based on price/colorway you like!
I returned my motus flex for a size down from my normal size 43 to 42. The Vivobarefoot hydra esc is my go to training shoe for all of my speed, agility, and plyometric workouts. It offers the most stability, has the best breathability, and replacing the lace system with flat stretch laces and cord locks makes this the most secure and comfortable shoe out of all my vivo’s for training. Please review asap, this shoe doesn’t get the attention it deserves for training. Also hardly any videos made
@@thatfitfriend hey, just some insight. I mentioned that I re-laced the Hydra ESC with flat stretch laces a micro bungee toggle. Well, I just want to mention that I re-laced them again with slightly thicker flat stretch and skipped over the first two holes.(since they were putting pressure on the sides of my feet, causing me discomfort) This perfected my experience wearing them in every way imaginable. Hope you mention this in your review video(potential re-lace option), in case you experience any form of discomfort wearing them. I also just tie them now, thanks to the slightly thicker stretch laces.
As someone with a 4E foot here's hoping for a Primus Lite Wide in the future. My III's almost make it, almost. I had to cannibalize them, lol. Elastic laces and cut threads on the gusset. But I run them without insoles and like lack of a midsole.
@@thatfitfriend No worries, I know firsthand how hard it can be shopping for shoes when you have an extra wide foot and having high volume feet doesn't help matters. It is really helpful that you let us know how these shoes fit and what models to look at if we have wife feet and which to avoid. A lot of people do not take that into account and assume that a wide toe box will work for a wide foot. Oh, how I wish that were true, lol. So many of these barefoot companies are so close, for me anyway. Either just a few mm added or making sure things like the lace system isn't restrictive or that the upper is stretchy at the midfoot would go a long way for making shoes fit a wider array of people, I think. Anyway, I am still on the hunt for a perfect barefoot shoe. Xero are pretty decent in the heel and midfoot and I like Lems toe box but the sole on Vivo. Lems has a midsole, sometimes quite thick too on their lifestyle and hiking boots/shoes. Xero has a narrow toe box and Vivo is super low volume and somewhat narrow. For years I ran in New Balance and to this day they are wider, where it counts for me, in the forefoot (in a 4E at least) but I can't go back to that restrictive toe box! Anyway, as always, thank you for sharing your thoughts and experiences with us. It really does help!
Hey Jake! I got a primus lite knit before I watched your videos 😢. I got it on size 10 which was the recommendation on the website, it was obviously way to big and I had to exchanged it for a 9 which is my normal size in other shoes but still seems like it is a little bit big (3/4 thumb space). I know they recommend to have a thumb finger space but still feels like it has space for my toes to flex, idk if that is the normal fit for a barefoot shoe. I am usually a size 9 and my feet has a normal wide. I do HIIT workouts, 30 min in the trail and 30 min strength. I also want to use it for outside the house, going for walks,etc. I was wondering if you could recommend a shoe for that. I was in between the Trail knit fg, knit liteand motus strength. These are also my first pair of barefoot shoes. Thank you ! 🥺🙏🏻
Trail Knit FG and Motus could be great options for those asks. In re: Sizing: Tbh, I don't love that recommendation for sizing because it can vary so much - and this is a great example of how extra room isn't always the answer for everyone. If you go with Trail Knit FG, it may be work trying an 8 and seeing if that fit a bit better while still giving your toes a bit of room. Another fix if you don't feel like returning is to wear thicker socks to help the shoe fit a little more snug, but that's not always the most ideal fix. Are you only considering Vivobarefoot?
That type of training you were doing at 2:26. How is that called and where can I get some drills like it? Looks AWESOME for everything! (Joints, tendons, muscles, bones, reaction, etc. etc.)
A little combo I made! I coach clients (have been a coach for 12 years) and often test stuff on myself before I roll it out to them. Building out a more "athletic-ish" program in my training app as we speak, too :)
Hey Jake, which of these shoes would he the most breathable? I live in Arizona so knit woukd be great but I also love the motus stength due to the extra ankle support
I'm looking for one shoe that can do road running, gym duties and be water resistant; also look good enough for casual wear. I use a new balance mx608 v5 slip resistant shoe that has leather uppers and a cross training vibe to them while being a little chunky, but low key and decent looking. They have done well in protecting me sufficiently through frigid cold rain and light snow in New England. Ofc, this will be my first Vivos and barefoot sneakers. Would you recommend the Primus Lite, Primus Lite all weather, Primus trail all weather or their new Sensus or Gobi? It seems like the Lite all weather ticks all the boxes, but comfort and durability are questionable; the trail all weather although being a trail running shoe has had raving reviews. The others seem to be leather like my New Balance but I'm not sure about the training capability. I do mobility routines (HIIT), lifting and your usual suspects for leg workouts extensively (lunging, squating etc.). The New Balance often have to be removed during specific training periods. I'd be very grateful for any recommendation, as these shoes will be my primary shoes replacing the outgoing new balance and the anticipated transition I hope to make in my lifestyle. So durability and some comfort are quite key along with the barefoot transition which I really hope pans out well...
I'd go Trail AW or Lite AW and your assumptions about them is on the money. The durability has held up decently well in my Lite AW, I will say. Plus, Vivo tend to be pretty good about honoring products that break down wicked fast which should help with some confidence. If you're wanting that trail bias, go Trail AW!
@@thatfitfriend Thanks so much Jake! I'm putting my money on the lite all weather for now... I need a road running bias; although traction for those icy pavements in Boston is questionable (that flat sole does not inspire confidence compared to the lugs, but I'm trusting them on that slip resistant rubber)... I did note the issue you had mentioned on the toe box, my NBs have a very small tear at the stitches that will progressively damage. Let's see how they hold up...
I'm new to the brand and looking for a shoe for strength and also to wear at my part time job (work at a hospital). Recommendation? Live in Michigan, and my toes tend to get cold easily. In warmer weather, I'd wear them outside; in winter, I'd probably pack them in my bag and only wear inside. Thanks!
Hey Jake! Any recommendations on a barefoot shoe that has a good lock down feel? For context I’m just getting into barefoot shoes and I have the whitins (thanks for the review) but when doing calf raises I feel like my heel just might slip out on the bottom portion of the movement. Thanks for your content!
What is your thoughts if a foot measurement is at the top range of the guide, 25.4 would the size 40 be too tight to be comfortable, seems 41 would be too loose
@thatfitfriend it's tricky, redwing work boot is 7, ugg shoe is 7, birkenstock is 39, a few running shoes are 8, but the foot flat on the ground is right at 10" or 25.4cm
I’m looking for my first pair of vivos… mainly for daily/casual use, walking outside, and reffing soccer games on weekends (grass will be damp in the mornings)… what model do you recommend?
@@thatfitfriend never updated you, but I love em and they are perfect for everyday walks and reffing soccer on weekends! Won’t be my only pair of vivos
@@kanecooper8174 ay that’s awesome! I have some limited stock on That Fit Friend Shop if you ever do pick up more pairs. Hit me up and I’ll make you a coupon for rocking with the channel 🤝
My ol lady wears her 5 finger vibrams , now she is looking or similar barfoot minimal feel , we tried xero and flux and no bulls.. no go on any of them. Are these vivobarefoot more a good alternative to those brands brands? She is a nurse practioner always on her feet. Loved her 5 fingers but are worn out
@@thatfitfriend pre ordered the lonos and bought her the inov8 barefoot model., what brand do you recommend from xeno for all day usage in hospital settings? and which do you recommend for us men for causal wearing barefoot shoe that is not vivo expensive ?
I live in Korea and I like weight training. I'm looking to buy one of my barefoot shoes, which one would be better between Primus Light 3 and Motus Strength?
I’m a mixed martial artist with flat feet who has never gotten anything from vivobarefoot before…I’m looking for a shoe that I can use for both strength training (weightlifting), sprints, plyometrics, and agility work…what would u recommend for me?
Primus Lite III (daily wear/lifting bias), Motus Strength (cross-training agility), or Primus Trail Knit FG (versatility) would be my three suggestions. All can work for those contexts!
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Your ability to review shoes is admirable. This guy tells you EVERYTHING you need to know about SIX pair of shoes in 10 mins. Blows my mind
I made it my goal to keep this one around 10 min for folks! I’m hyped you noticed that. Thank you, bruv!
I appreciate you including fit & sizing details and recommendations. I ordered Vivobarefoot direct from the company (during free shipping) in part because of their return policy.
@@sorbabaric1 of course!
I’m also starting to host Vivobarefoot models on That Fit Friend Shop and am aiming to have a solid return policy as well :) for future stuff!
Thanks for your excellent videos - much appreciated 👍
Thank you for checking them out!
Thanks Jake. Love your videos and it’s so cool that you’re in Austin too!
Which would you recommend for running a 5k? I already have the primus lite III, motus, trail knit, lite knit. But I can always add to my collection if you think there’s ones that’s better.
Ayy! If you ever want to link for coffee or a workout, lmk!
The models I’ve used most are the trail knit, geo racer, and Primus lite iii. Think you’re solid with your lineup and no need to spend more, imo!
@@thatfitfriend that would be awesome. I’m totally down!
Excellent review, thank you!🦋👣
@@Rippy31 thank you for checking it out!
Great content! Would love to see an updated video of your favorite shoes for causal/everyday wear!
@@fozep thank you!
Just barefoot or normie shoes, too?
Anything with a wide/anatomical toe box :)
@@fozep noted!
Great review
Thank you, my friend!
Great video. I can't decide which shoe would be best for all my needs or if I need to get 2 pairs. I like the motus flex concept very much but I'm concerned as you are, with the durability of a daily wear. i 'd just wear them to the gym.
I just received a pair of trail sg all weather's in eu45 which is a 1/2 size down from my addis and they feel perfect. I bought them for soccer cleats. They feel so comfy and perfect on my feet, that I want another pair that fits similarly but is more practical than the trail sg's. I was considering trail knit fg's but I noticed you didn't include them here. OR Maybe the primus lites but I'll be wearing them a lot on concrete as daily wear. The asana's look nice but they might be a litle too loose for what I do in the gym. Also I'd like to do lite runs on concrete in them. What do you suggest?
Trail Knit FG are great - I didn't include them because they have a new iteration out and I have yet to buy and review them, so I didn't want to include an old pick that people can't find anymore!
Primus Lite III are tried and true.
Motus Flex is great, but if you wanna wear em in rain, I'd weatherproof the bottom/lower sides of the shoe to play it safe!
Either way - think you'd be happy with all three of these, so I'd proceed based on price/colorway you like!
@@thatfitfriend thanks for your feedback. Eventually I want to own all three. I’m addicted to barefoot shoes.
I returned my motus flex for a size down from my normal size 43 to 42. The Vivobarefoot hydra esc is my go to training shoe for all of my speed, agility, and plyometric workouts. It offers the most stability, has the best breathability, and replacing the lace system with flat stretch laces and cord locks makes this the most secure and comfortable shoe out of all my vivo’s for training. Please review asap, this shoe doesn’t get the attention it deserves for training. Also hardly any videos made
You know, they've been on my list for so long it's time to bite the bullet. Just bought a pair per your feedback here!
@@thatfitfriend hey, just some insight. I mentioned that I re-laced the Hydra ESC with flat stretch laces a micro bungee toggle. Well, I just want to mention that I re-laced them again with slightly thicker flat stretch and skipped over the first two holes.(since they were putting pressure on the sides of my feet, causing me discomfort) This perfected my experience wearing them in every way imaginable. Hope you mention this in your review video(potential re-lace option), in case you experience any form of discomfort wearing them. I also just tie them now, thanks to the slightly thicker stretch laces.
As someone with a 4E foot here's hoping for a Primus Lite Wide in the future. My III's almost make it, almost. I had to cannibalize them, lol. Elastic laces and cut threads on the gusset. But I run them without insoles and like lack of a midsole.
These are beautiful insights for folks with similar foot anatomies! Thank you for sharing
@@thatfitfriend No worries, I know firsthand how hard it can be shopping for shoes when you have an extra wide foot and having high volume feet doesn't help matters. It is really helpful that you let us know how these shoes fit and what models to look at if we have wife feet and which to avoid. A lot of people do not take that into account and assume that a wide toe box will work for a wide foot. Oh, how I wish that were true, lol. So many of these barefoot companies are so close, for me anyway. Either just a few mm added or making sure things like the lace system isn't restrictive or that the upper is stretchy at the midfoot would go a long way for making shoes fit a wider array of people, I think.
Anyway, I am still on the hunt for a perfect barefoot shoe. Xero are pretty decent in the heel and midfoot and I like Lems toe box but the sole on Vivo. Lems has a midsole, sometimes quite thick too on their lifestyle and hiking boots/shoes. Xero has a narrow toe box and Vivo is super low volume and somewhat narrow. For years I ran in New Balance and to this day they are wider, where it counts for me, in the forefoot (in a 4E at least) but I can't go back to that restrictive toe box!
Anyway, as always, thank you for sharing your thoughts and experiences with us. It really does help!
Hey Jake! I got a primus lite knit before I watched your videos 😢. I got it on size 10 which was the recommendation on the website, it was obviously way to big and I had to exchanged it for a 9 which is my normal size in other shoes but still seems like it is a little bit big (3/4 thumb space). I know they recommend to have a thumb finger space but still feels like it has space for my toes to flex, idk if that is the normal fit for a barefoot shoe. I am usually a size 9 and my feet has a normal wide. I do HIIT workouts, 30 min in the trail and 30 min strength. I also want to use it for outside the house, going for walks,etc. I was wondering if you could recommend a shoe for that. I was in between the Trail knit fg, knit liteand motus strength. These are also my first pair of barefoot shoes. Thank you ! 🥺🙏🏻
Trail Knit FG and Motus could be great options for those asks.
In re: Sizing: Tbh, I don't love that recommendation for sizing because it can vary so much - and this is a great example of how extra room isn't always the answer for everyone.
If you go with Trail Knit FG, it may be work trying an 8 and seeing if that fit a bit better while still giving your toes a bit of room. Another fix if you don't feel like returning is to wear thicker socks to help the shoe fit a little more snug, but that's not always the most ideal fix.
Are you only considering Vivobarefoot?
can’t find them what stores have them
Very few, but think the tide is changing and we'll see em in more stores soon. Right now, it's just specialty stores
That type of training you were doing at 2:26. How is that called and where can I get some drills like it? Looks AWESOME for everything! (Joints, tendons, muscles, bones, reaction, etc. etc.)
A little combo I made! I coach clients (have been a coach for 12 years) and often test stuff on myself before I roll it out to them.
Building out a more "athletic-ish" program in my training app as we speak, too :)
Hey Jake, which of these shoes would he the most breathable? I live in Arizona so knit woukd be great but I also love the motus stength due to the extra ankle support
Primus Lite III, Motus Flex, or Primus Lite Knit will be your best bets! Dealer's choice on em - think you'll be happy either way.
I'm looking for one shoe that can do road running, gym duties and be water resistant; also look good enough for casual wear. I use a new balance mx608 v5 slip resistant shoe that has leather uppers and a cross training vibe to them while being a little chunky, but low key and decent looking. They have done well in protecting me sufficiently through frigid cold rain and light snow in New England. Ofc, this will be my first Vivos and barefoot sneakers. Would you recommend the Primus Lite, Primus Lite all weather, Primus trail all weather or their new Sensus or Gobi?
It seems like the Lite all weather ticks all the boxes, but comfort and durability are questionable; the trail all weather although being a trail running shoe has had raving reviews. The others seem to be leather like my New Balance but I'm not sure about the training capability. I do mobility routines (HIIT), lifting and your usual suspects for leg workouts extensively (lunging, squating etc.). The New Balance often have to be removed during specific training periods.
I'd be very grateful for any recommendation, as these shoes will be my primary shoes replacing the outgoing new balance and the anticipated transition I hope to make in my lifestyle. So durability and some comfort are quite key along with the barefoot transition which I really hope pans out well...
I'd go Trail AW or Lite AW and your assumptions about them is on the money. The durability has held up decently well in my Lite AW, I will say. Plus, Vivo tend to be pretty good about honoring products that break down wicked fast which should help with some confidence.
If you're wanting that trail bias, go Trail AW!
@@thatfitfriend Thanks so much Jake! I'm putting my money on the lite all weather for now... I need a road running bias; although traction for those icy pavements in Boston is questionable (that flat sole does not inspire confidence compared to the lugs, but I'm trusting them on that slip resistant rubber)... I did note the issue you had mentioned on the toe box, my NBs have a very small tear at the stitches that will progressively damage. Let's see how they hold up...
I'm new to the brand and looking for a shoe for strength and also to wear at my part time job (work at a hospital). Recommendation? Live in Michigan, and my toes tend to get cold easily. In warmer weather, I'd wear them outside; in winter, I'd probably pack them in my bag and only wear inside. Thanks!
Hmm, Primus Asana/Primus Lite IV AW if you want some water protection/GOBI may be perfect! I'd start with those :)
Hey Jake! Any recommendations on a barefoot shoe that has a good lock down feel? For context I’m just getting into barefoot shoes and I have the whitins (thanks for the review) but when doing calf raises I feel like my heel just might slip out on the bottom portion of the movement. Thanks for your content!
Tolos Arch 2.0, Inov8 Bare XF, or Motus Strength can all work well!
which style is best for walking on hard uneven stone sidewalks? thanks
Most can work fine for that! Do you live in a damp climate? Do you also want to train in them?
Have you ever used the vivo tracker decon fg2 for weight training?
I haven't and they don't carry them anymore it seems :/
I have the flux adapt definitely different than these but I’m just curious on the toe box?
Toe box of these is wider
@ oh wow ok. Definitely ordering a pair now
What is your thoughts if a foot measurement is at the top range of the guide, 25.4 would the size 40 be too tight to be comfortable, seems 41 would be too loose
What size do you wear normally and in what shoe/brand? That can give us some useful data here
@thatfitfriend it's tricky, redwing work boot is 7, ugg shoe is 7, birkenstock is 39, a few running shoes are 8, but the foot flat on the ground is right at 10" or 25.4cm
I’m looking for my first pair of vivos… mainly for daily/casual use, walking outside, and reffing soccer games on weekends (grass will be damp in the mornings)… what model do you recommend?
I’d go with the Primus Trail Knit or grab the trail/Primus lite AW options! The latter two will give you more protection from grass dampness
@@thatfitfriend ordered the primus 4 AW! I’m pumped
@@kanecooper8174 Rad, keep me posted on how you like em!
@@thatfitfriend never updated you, but I love em and they are perfect for everyday walks and reffing soccer on weekends! Won’t be my only pair of vivos
@@kanecooper8174 ay that’s awesome!
I have some limited stock on That Fit Friend Shop if you ever do pick up more pairs. Hit me up and I’ll make you a coupon for rocking with the channel 🤝
My ol lady wears her 5 finger vibrams , now she is looking or similar barfoot minimal feel , we tried xero and flux and no bulls.. no go on any of them. Are these vivobarefoot more a good alternative to those brands brands? She is a nurse practioner always on her feet. Loved her 5 fingers but are worn out
They can be! I'd also suggest looking into shoes like the Lono Barefoot and Inov8 Bare XF. They'd be comfy for all-day wear and cost a bit less!
@@thatfitfriend the flux were not wide at all, very narrow.. do you find the innov8 have a wider foot base with wide toe box?
@@guillermoortiz1492 Oh yeah, Flux are misleading AF. I often turn folks away from them when width is the goal. The F Fly could work well, IMO!
@@thatfitfriend pre ordered the lonos and bought her the inov8 barefoot model., what brand do you recommend from xeno for all day usage in hospital settings? and which do you recommend for us men for causal wearing barefoot shoe that is not vivo expensive ?
I live in Korea and I like weight training. I'm looking to buy one of my barefoot shoes, which one would be better between Primus Light 3 and Motus Strength?
Both are great. I'd go with best price / colorway for your needs. Both can be solid!
I’m a mixed martial artist with flat feet who has never gotten anything from vivobarefoot before…I’m looking for a shoe that I can use for both strength training (weightlifting), sprints, plyometrics, and agility work…what would u recommend for me?
Primus Lite III (daily wear/lifting bias), Motus Strength (cross-training agility), or Primus Trail Knit FG (versatility) would be my three suggestions. All can work for those contexts!
Are the Primus Lite IIIs flat footed (good for squats for deadlifts)?
Yeah, they do decent for most flat feet. What do you currently wear?
@@thatfitfriend I used to just rock vans but those got trashed, I’ve just been in my on running training shoes since getting rid of the vans
The boss shoe review
Appreciate you, homie!
Tracker Decons? Didn’t make the list?
@@andrewjudd9001 haven’t reviewed them yet!
I can’t buy Vivo in bulk otherwise I’d be broke. Just bought the hydra and decon are next
Oh sorry totally thought you had. Yeah Vivo’s are ridiculously expensive.