I have the Biathlon version, just to plink with, because I love the action. It's a .22. And the most amazing thing is when you slowly push the bolt forward, the round jumps and ends up held by the bolt, as if magnetic, and it feeds it straight into the chamber. No rubbing or scratching the round. One of the coolest controlled feed I have ever seen. Thank you for the Awesome video, Mike. I know Brad too :)
Hey - TJO - I did not think of that! You're right - I've used those pneumatic but didn't make the connection until you wrote it : ) - some kind of pun in there. Thank you! All the best.
When I was a teenager I received my first rifle, a Browning T-Bolt, which was new at the time. I shot it at the range one day in the presence of an adult with a very nice, high dollar 22 lr. He allowed me to shoot his fine (Anshutz) rifle at the 50 yard target and it was good. He declined to try my less prestigious rifle after I demonstrated that it out shot his much more expensive model. I still own the Browning and some 10,000 rounds later it still shoots tiny groups at 50 yards. Love that straight pull bolt.
The Canadian cadet program uses Anschutz Fortners for its upper level biathlon events. They're splendid little rifles and a joy to shoot. I can see why you're so happy with yours.
These guns are really good Im in Australia I was at the gun range and heard this rifle being shot and I was amazed at how quick the person shooting it was capable of getting of consecutive shots and if you have any doubt watch them being shot in Olympic winter events
Very, very cool! Doesn't look as though there is enough material there (in the bearing ball interface) to overcome the pressure. What an elegant, clean, gorgeous design! Thanks for another great episode!
I own one of these (left handed) in 17 HMR. I was amazed when I first put the bolt in and tilted the rifle forward the bolt slid forward and nearly locked without me touching it.
They do make left-hand rifles (1727FL, and 1761L). I have one of each, 1727FL since July, 2019, 1761L since March, 2021, thanks to Danny Spann, Anschutz of North America. I'm left-handed.
Thank you ! It feels very royal sitting at that table. They ordered the fabric from some kind of specialty shop and it may be over the top but resists water and oil and looks like a million dollars. I don't mind plywood but apparently my mind is weak. : )
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Thank-you. More than one of us has OCD and it's pure nails-on-chalkboard ( do they even have those anymore ? ) to see a reviewer drop, clunk, scrape and drag a fine firearm across cold hard metal or rough hewn wood. Especially when an old dirty rag would be 10 times easier on the firearm. To use such a fancy cloth is a display of fine class. Not much seen theses days. So, once again, Thank-You ...
Hey Mike. Thanks for another great Video. I have not seen that Ball Bearing lock up before, but it makes sense. The straight pull Rifle just speaks quality. Stay safe and thank you.👍
Most of us gun owners buy a gun and still have it years later .I had a Winchester. hammerless octagon barrel 22 I never felt good about that fact that it was loaded and if the safety was off it could shoot some one .So I traded it for a#56 Marlin .now I can put the clip in my pocket .The double barrel hammerless shot guns are the same if they are not broken open
Good video and thanks for sharing. In my opinion, Anschutz are 1 of the most accurate rifles and great for target but they are heavy. I chose the CZ 455 over them as they are really accurate as well but a lot lighter for carrying around all day in the field.
I got a 1727 17hmr a few years ago and it is incredibly accurate. I tested it at 100 yards with various ammo and found it liked CCI TNT best followed closely by Hornady VMax. The TNT test target consisted of five consecutive four-shot groups that measured .35 .65 .36 .72 .56 ctc. Three of the groups can be covered with a dime. I found there is a trick to consistently getting groups under half moa. Put them down range as fast as possible using only one breath. The reason is that the 17hmr is very sensitive to minor wind changes. Otherwise the groups open up to about 1moa.
You never disappoint ! First off I have to say that I'm a sucker for any factory or professional cutaway firearm. When I was studying gunsmithing the instructors would usually have a cutaway for many of the specific models and most all of the operating systems being taught. And when done properly they are an excellent teaching tool. It's not often to find or obtain a factory cutaway, so that's a score in it's own right. Plus the fact that the cutaway's are usually tool room one offs and are few and far between, not to mention that price wise, when found, cost much more than the retail price of the particular firearm the are representative of. I have read quite a bit on this, the Fortner, method of lockup. But not had the opportunity to see one let alone work on one. If I may make an observation here. As brilliantly inventive as this action design is, from my experience I can draw an engineering design lineage back to the brilliantly simplistic H&K roller lock method of lockup. In principle they seem to have much in common. Whereas the H&K uses cylindrical vertical locking rollers and their corresponding locking recesses which are engaged by a floating wedge on the bolt. This design uses multiple hardened spherical bearing surfaces which engage identically shaped recesses in the receiver by way of a tapered cam that allows them to engage and retract in the recesses they are matted to. Easier done than said. In this case the diameter of the spherical ball bearings is in direct proportion to the pressure in C.U.P for the class of cartridge being chambered for it. This does have it's limitations as the number of, and size of the ball bearings and corresponding recesses has it's limitations in regards to the bolt head diameter. Also keeping in mind that lockup in the receiver itself amounts to 50% of the diameter of the spherical ball bearings shape, as this job is split between the bearings seat in the bolt and it's home in the receiver. From my experience using ball bearings in any type of recess where they are being used to retain something, a hardened steel ball is force fit into an undersized hole so as to be held in place and prevented from escaping from its seat, hence only around 50% of its surface area will protrude during lockup. On the plus side, when lockup wear occurs on traditional locking lugs and headspace is increased, generally, again i say "generally", a barrel setback is the method of fix. But in this method of lockup it would seem that a simpler correction would be to replace the worn ball bearing to achieve correct headspace. However, all the ball bearings would need to be changed to bring it back to spec. And the actual correct size to do so would require the factory spec as a starting point, a way to accurately measure the ball bearings, and not least of which, a way to procure them. Hopefully from the manufacturer, which I would suggest getting a supply of replacements in case the model is discontinued and the source dries up. Forming, shaping and heat treating such small parts would be challenging, unless you are setup with the type of tooling to cut, grind or shape a spherical bearing surface, to within .0001" at the least. But replacement itself should be a breeze. Me, I'd procure extras from the manufacturer at the time of purchase. Sorry for the lengthy rant, but I hope this gave some insight as to the design. All the best and stay safe, Bob
Hi Bob - Remarkable post and observations - which I had not thought of. So far the action seems to be holding and others I've seen that have seen much more use are okay so far too. Thanks again and keep writing. All the best.
I remember years ago watching the Biatholon in the Olympics, and I found watching the athletes operating the actions to be memorizing. So seeing one cut away was quite a treat. So thank you to both yourself and to Brad of Nordic Marksman for sharing the incredible engineering of the action in operation. Considering your praise of this rifle as perhaps the most accurate gun you have ever owned I have no doubt that she is the thoroughbred she was designed to be. With respect to the target that you featured I am wondering as to what distance you shot it at? Anyway, in the spirit of sharing something extraordinary in .22's I have to go with the Ruger Mark IV pistol. While it is certainly no Anshutz rifle I do think it is an extraordinary engineering achievement to go from one of the most horrendous guns to takedown and put back together to being one of the easiest
Now that you bring up accurate .22 pistols, you must mention the S&W model 41, all of the top of the line High Standards, and the little remembered Unique competition model .22. I shot all of these in bullseye matches in the "60s and still think the S&W 41 was the best of the bunch.
Thank you for your tutorials on firearms. So many that I haven't even heard of. These rifles with the fortner action were amazing. Savage now makes a high powered rifle in several calibres called the Impulse. It also is a straight pull with ball bearings. Just for interest sake the word Leupold doesn't have an "a" in it. Proper pronunciation is more like lou powder not lee a pold. I used to work for a dealer. Thank you once again I really appreciate your videos.
Wow! What an amazing piece of kit. I thoroughly enjoyed your presentation of this beautifully designed and manufactured rifle. I live in a place where it is easy to own and use an airgun and quite a pain to own a firearm. I love the drive for supreme accuracy in airguns and very capable they are. It is great to see a rifle that can do top tier airgun accuracy but at 10 times the distance!
Thank you - the Anschutz if truly astonishing. The producer told me I forgot to say that there are 2 five shot groups on the target - the top group is 5 shots as well. What a rifle : ) I find airguns so interesting - I would actually have dozens. Maybe I will : ) Take care my friend.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns I remember your Slavia (a true workhorse of a rifle) and that unusually yet beautifully stocked BSA in your collection. As a fan of some of the more vintage stuff, that BSA had me smiling ear to ear when you showed it to us. I enjoy all of your reviews, airgun or otherwise. I forgot to add, I think your BSA may have been set up for target/competition use and quite possibly what we used to call "Bell target shooting." Pubs all over the UK had back rooms set up for bell-target shooting between pub teams and there were local, national and postal leagues up until the 1970s, maybe even into the 80s. People would be all "funny" about bringing rifles to the pub these days but it was a perfectly normal sport in my dad's day. The target was a hole in a steel plate with a bell behind the hole. The hole being only slightly larger than the .177 pellet. Ring the bell to score a point. Some target plates had a scoring ring too outside the main scoring hole. The steel plate would be painted between every shooter to show the hits outside the main scoring hole. Lovely sport but no longer practised sadly.
Mike I’ve never seen a ball bearing bolt before. What a great and unique idea!!! I love the stock and overall design of this rifle. Now I guess I’ll have to start looking for one!
1827F is used in Biathlon, many countries use this action. Excellent in cold weather, very impressive and very reliable, but expensive for the every day shooter.
The most extraordinary .22 I've ever used was a Winchester model 52 heavy barrel I used to compete with when I was in high school and college. It was owned by a small bore rifle club I belonged to in upstate New York and probably dated back to the 60's, possibly the '50s. Besides being as accurate as anything I've ever shot, including Anschutzs, the action was as smooth as butter and the trigger had a perfect break. What I would give to go back and find and buy it.
The only issue I ran into with mine was that I wanted to attach a short picatinny rail to the front sling pin so I could attach a bipod. The Schnabel forend got in the way so I had to add several rubber spacers.
Seeing the cut away demo was great! After looking closer at the inside of new Anschuetz, Krico, Hyme and Styre barrels I am not surprised that the accuracy is so good. Their barrels must be lapped since they show none of the chatter or tooling marks that can often be seen in many production barrels. If the bedding, rifling and crown are perfect every rifle should shoot like your example with the caveat that good, accurate ammo is used.
Hello Stefan! You must be right! Also I must mention - the groups I showed were not the best compared to what I shot on subsequent outings - an incredible rifle and action.
Excuse me, I’ve just got to pick my jaw up from the floor...these are the most beautiful rifles I’ve seen. Thanks very much for MAKING this video, Mike. You’re aware of the steps that have gone into my rifle, (& EVERYTHING that has enabled me to shoot), & how this is the only alternative to my Tikka w/extended bolt handle. This-and the impossible to find Izhmash Model 7*2-are the only other rifles that I’ve got the muscles to cycle. Are Heym & Anschütz associated? That cutaway is the ultimate in "Show & Tell"! 🙏🏼Thanks to Brad from Nordic Marksman, indeed!!👍🏼
Thank you! I hope to find an Izhmash soon - missed one recently - they go up for sale and then are gone in short order. Always good to hear from you. Bye for now.
Thanks for this video...and thanks to "Brad" for that cutaway model! Someone, below, pointed out that the radial locking is also used on things like hydraulic fittings, which also take a lot of load...the precision available with this system is something else! And, as you note, almost effortless. I don't know if it's visible in that model, but the trigger must be interesting, too. BTW, I'm new to your channel, and have no idea what your "day job" is, or was, and I heard you mention that you had experience with gun design...do you have a video about yourself? Thanks, have a nice Christmas, and we all hope a better 2021!
This action is on their high-end biathlon rifles. I have 2 Anschutz biathlon rifles, a 1427 repeater with a 52 action and a junior biathlon with a 64 action. I would LOVE to try one of the newer models. I also have a Sako M78 and an FN Browning SA22 but of all the .22's I own, the 1427 is my favorite.
I’m new to rifles and to .22, but I just picked up an old Mossberg 151M(b) (semi-auto). Missing a couple sights (which I’m in the process of replacing). Paid $100 and I’m really looking forward to shooting it. Took the action apart and it’s smooth as silk. Would love to hear your take on these old rifles. I’ve read story after story of people who owned them as their first rifle and loved them and still love them.
I’m lucky enough to have inherited a Walter sportmodell 22, that was brought back at the end of WWII. To say that this gun is in immaculate condition would be an understatement. It has remained in wonderful condition all these years, and although what the Germans did was abhorrent, they certainly made fine weapons. The example I have is covered in Nazi insignia.
@Me. Me I found an Anschutz 1418 (64 action, Full Mannlicher stock, double set trigger, folding leaf sights) the other day for $500 CAD. Sometimes you get lucky.
Hi Romeo - I've seen some incredible long range shots with that combo. And you're right - the price is very high - but worth it. No TurkAns on the market yet that I know of; only Turknellis - which are actually excellent. We'll see what happens next.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Thanks for the reply Sir much appreciated and I do have to agree with you we just have to wait and see Thanks again Best regards Romeo
I just the other day I picked up on a Japanese made Winchester model 52B, Utah Centennial (1896-1996) with original box in like new condition. While I was at this unbelievable gunshop with supposedly 5,000 weapons I found and purchased a Walther PP SPORT-C 22lr WITH ALL THE GOODIES, IT'S IN 90-95% CONDITION. It was sold in Germany to a servicemen in 1969 and he brought it back so NO IMPORT MARKS!!!! 😊
You are an amazing man with a great channel and I value your opinion very much but when it comes to this I’ll stick with my Winchester model 52, At a certain point in time a Rifle is just a rifle and who’s behind it using this tool is what makes the difference, but thank you very much for sharing these other amazing rifles 👍
Thank you Johannes - every time I see your name I think of Bach - although he is missing an s : ) Anyway, I agree - the 52 has that timeless fundamental design and you are further correct - it is the shooter that makes the difference.
The only Anschutz I ever owned was a Model 1422D (I think) with a 54 action in 222 Remington. Out of the dozen rifles I've owned in 222/223 Rem, it was the least accurate of them all. In fact, the firing pin broke the 1st time I tried to use it, and the dealer tried to charge me for it. Even my gunsmith couldn't get it to shoot any better. His excellent advice was to get rid of it, and so for the same price, I got a Sako Deluxe in 222 Remington. End of problem. Not sure about steel balls for locking lugs. They may work on low power cartridges, but an engineering principle is to always keep things as simple as possible. For accuracy, all the gun magazines use five-5 shot groups on one sheet of paper for the lower calibres, and five 3-shot groups for the magnums.
Aquired an Anschutz-Savage, .22LR, bolt-action, stainless-steel bull barrel, blonde wood stock. Stamped: Made in West Germany. More precise than normal .22 ammo is ...
What a very interesting rifle thanks for showing us I would love to try one out sometime. Only thing that looked kind of out of place was that little bolt or handle not really a bolt I guess? Otherwise a beautiful rifle.
What I find amazing is that many of Annie rifles don’t have threaded barrels in the receivers. They’re just pressed in and pinned like ma y low end rimfire rifles. I suppose the difference between Annie and others is the tolerances that Annie Guns are held to.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Thanks, i own a Weihrauch 22 lr. It's a good one, but these ball bearing actions look so great it gives me the need to try/have one... 🙏🏻
Hmm, six folks who suffer from thumb spasms? How unfortunate, I know that spasms can hurt. Again, thanks very much for sharing this absolutely fantastic video.
Your love of fine rifles and the humble 22lr is wonderful to watch. Have you ever given a video tour of your firearm library? Thanks for your knowledge.
Hi David - thank you - great idea and we made a video like that and then for security reasons held back. I'm not sure if that's the right conclusion but I listen : ) Maybe soon. All the best.
Could you please do a video on the mossberg 800b and 800 bm series please. Id love to learn more about them( such as their accuracy and quality) seeing how they are one of the few center fire rifles mossberg has produced.
Hi James - These are fine rifles and somewhere in here on my channel is a review. I've always liked the Mossberg and found accuracy excellent : as usual for most Mossbergs. I think mine was in 30-06 and I had not issues whatsoever. If I come across a different model I'll buy and make another review. Good shooting!
These were highly underrated rifles. They were of fine quality and were VERY good shooters. Their barrels were top notch. Many only think of the excellent Mossberg 500 Shotgun. Those of us with the age or experience know that Mossberg at one time was an extremely prolific rifle manufacturer, especially .22's, all types of .22's. Actually, more than you can count. And of their centerfire bolt guns they had some very nice models . But the late era 800's were quite good. I was quite impressed with the 800 Heavy Barrel Varmint model. It shot extremely well.
I have this rifle in 17 hmr and I went mad and put a Swarovski Z5-25x52 BT scope on it. You can shoot the hairs off a fly's arse. I also stumbled upon a 1972 Savage/Anschutz 22lr( 54 sporter) in a local shop and it's a beautiful laser as well. Anchutz will ruin you for other guns. Cheers.
I want to ask you a question. I just found a consignment Kassner model 2165 at my neighborhood gun shop. It is in 270 and has some nice scope mounts and a Cabella's 3-9 scope. The stock is nicely checkered and blond in color. It has the tang safety, a cotton military type sling and a Mauser action. They are asking $400 for it. The stock has several scuff areas which could be touched up. It says made in Austria. What do you think?
@Me. Me you assume I drink volumes and have friends.. A big assumption. Thanks for your input. Google is not my friend, by the way. My "conspiracy theories" and death have eliminated most "friends".
Hi Michael - That's a great idea and it is quite possible the CZ would win. So many variables though - a machine rest would be needed and at least 3 of each rifle and then identical ammo of course. Can be done though. On the other hand, a more relaxed, less scientific test can be interesting as well - which is what I usually do. Thanks for the note. : )
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns All .22 precision rifles require extensive ammo testing down to lots to get the most our of them. If you are lucky you own an Anschuetz that loves cheaper ammo. Safe bets are SK, RWS, ELEY and Lapua. Prolly same goes for the CZ. So what trigger group was used in the Anschuetz? the 64 or 54? The 54 is used for ISSF olympic style shooting matches, The 64 mostly for entry level match guns and hunting rifles.
The sad part here, is that CZ and most rimfire manufacturers, don't care about us lefties. I would love a cz 457 system rifle for target practice and some small game hunting. But I shooting from the wrong shoulder and have the wrong dominant eye. Enough crying. Would it be harmful to practise with a right handed rimfire, when I got a left handed .308 win? I am inexperienced and fairly new to hunting.
I have 2 LH CZ's and as of today I also have 2 lh Anschutz 22's just got my 1727 today so they are out there if you can find them . Ty Nordic Marksman in Truro NS or Tenda Canada for CZ or Powder Keg in Kamloops
For the people who are complaining about the price: This system is made for Biathlon sport, it's like a high end carbon road bike or other sport equipment. They are made for this ruclips.net/video/pQGIGGBbGsU/видео.html (winning the biathlon worldcup) ruclips.net/video/j9hkBwd6ozg/видео.html The action is still produced exclusive by Peter Fortners small company, the Rifles are made in Germany by Anschütz with the highes quality standards. If you by one of these only for plinking at the range you are a little overdressed ;-) but if you are excited about the technology and the clever design it's maybe still worth the money...
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The same principal is involved in hydraulic line quick disconnects and compressor disconnects.
Very cool.
I have the Biathlon version, just to plink with, because I love the action. It's a .22. And the most amazing thing is when you slowly push the bolt forward,
the round jumps and ends up held by the bolt, as if magnetic, and it feeds it straight into the chamber. No rubbing or scratching the round.
One of the coolest controlled feed I have ever seen. Thank you for the Awesome video, Mike. I know Brad too :)
That locking system is just like an air tool quick disconnect. Truly awesome!
Hey - TJO - I did not think of that! You're right - I've used those pneumatic but didn't make the connection until you wrote it : ) - some kind of pun in there. Thank you! All the best.
That's just what it's like!
@@ekim000 only a bit more precise?
When I was a teenager I received my first rifle, a Browning T-Bolt, which was new at the time. I shot it at the range one day in the presence of an adult with a very nice, high dollar 22 lr. He allowed me to shoot his fine (Anshutz) rifle at the 50 yard target and it was good. He declined to try my less prestigious rifle after I demonstrated that it out shot his much more expensive model. I still own the Browning and some 10,000 rounds later it still shoots tiny groups at 50 yards. Love that straight pull bolt.
It is a typical Anschutz,Perfect! When I got my first Anschutz I never looked back!
Anshütz 52 series are legendary regarding precision. This should be even better,
I'm always amazed that you're able to show me something new, even after so many videos. The ball bearing approach was very interesting. Thank you.
Anschutz makes some crazy accurate rifles. The ball bearing bolts are pretty cool.
Yeah, pure outside the box design work!
Nice to see that heym again. I'm getting one thanks to that first video you did on it.
Bravo - You'll be amazed at the SR30 - a magnificent action and rifle.
Thanks for sharing. That's a beautiful rifle!
you are our definitive resource for anything rifle genre , thamk you
Thank you RD
Your knowledge and love for craftsmanship shown in your videos is inspiring every time, sir. Thank you!
Greets from the Netherlands, T.
Thank you! All the best to you in the great Netherlands!
Thank you for your excellent presentation on a unique rifle.
Love 22 bolt guns. That one looks amazing. Thanks for sharing this gem, Mike.
The Canadian cadet program uses Anschutz Fortners for its upper level biathlon events. They're splendid little rifles and a joy to shoot. I can see why you're so happy with yours.
I have never seen an action like that. Very interesting. Great informative video. Well done!!
I love that action. It's surprising that others don't produce it as well.
I don't think I've ever used the term "Lovely" to describe a rifle but I think this one deserves it!
Great word - I agree : )
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These guns are really good Im in Australia I was at the gun range and heard this rifle being shot and I was amazed at how quick the person shooting it was capable of getting of consecutive shots and if you have any doubt watch them being shot in Olympic winter events
Another great video ! Thank you.
I really enjoy your videos, mostly because of your passion and love of firearms, it's very evident in your content and presentation.
You stay HEALTHY TOO. Great video, wow what a unique .22.
Thank you Frank - I'll do my best. God Bless.
Very, very cool! Doesn't look as though there is enough material there (in the bearing ball interface) to overcome the pressure. What an elegant, clean, gorgeous design!
Thanks for another great episode!
I own one of these (left handed) in 17 HMR. I was amazed when I first put the bolt in and tilted the rifle forward the bolt slid forward and nearly locked without me touching it.
do you know if they make it in 22 lr left handed ?
They do make left-hand rifles (1727FL, and 1761L). I have one of each, 1727FL since July, 2019, 1761L since March, 2021, thanks to Danny Spann, Anschutz of North America. I'm left-handed.
Nice to see the blanket on the table, Thank-you.
Thank you ! It feels very royal sitting at that table. They ordered the fabric from some kind of specialty shop and it may be over the top but resists water and oil and looks like a million dollars. I don't mind plywood but apparently my mind is weak. : )
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Thank-you. More than one of us has OCD and it's pure nails-on-chalkboard ( do they even have those anymore ? ) to see a reviewer drop, clunk, scrape and drag a fine firearm across cold hard metal or rough hewn wood. Especially when an old dirty rag would be 10 times easier on the firearm. To use such a fancy cloth is a display of fine class. Not much seen theses days. So, once again, Thank-You ...
Your always showing some of the most unusual and well made guns. Thanks
I'm a sucker for any rifle with a Schnabel foregrip, and these are no exception.
Hey Mike. Thanks for another great Video. I have not seen that Ball Bearing lock up before, but it makes sense. The straight pull Rifle just speaks quality. Stay safe and thank you.👍
That is some serious engineering that went into making that rifle!.... What a cool rifle!😀
Sure is cool Marcos - wish there were more guns like this.
would love to see a video on the brno mod 2, thanks for your informative insights!
Most of us gun owners buy a gun and still have it years later .I had a Winchester. hammerless octagon barrel 22 I never felt good about that fact that it was loaded and if the safety was off it could shoot some one .So I traded it for a#56 Marlin .now I can put the clip in my pocket .The double barrel hammerless shot guns are the same if they are not broken open
Good video and thanks for sharing. In my opinion, Anschutz are 1 of the most accurate rifles and great for target but they are heavy. I chose the CZ 455 over them as they are really accurate as well but a lot lighter for carrying around all day in the field.
People are writing me that the CZs are just as accurate - if not more accurate - I have a couple of CZs - I should shoot them more often.
I got a 1727 17hmr a few years ago and it is incredibly accurate. I tested it at 100 yards with various ammo and found it liked CCI TNT best followed closely by Hornady VMax. The TNT test target consisted of five consecutive four-shot groups that measured .35 .65 .36 .72 .56 ctc. Three of the groups can be covered with a dime. I found there is a trick to consistently getting groups under half moa. Put them down range as fast as possible using only one breath. The reason is that the 17hmr is very sensitive to minor wind changes. Otherwise the groups open up to about 1moa.
You never disappoint ! First off I have to say that I'm a sucker for any factory or professional cutaway firearm. When I was studying gunsmithing the instructors would usually have a cutaway for many of the specific models and most all of the operating systems being taught. And when done properly they are an excellent teaching tool. It's not often to find or obtain a factory cutaway, so that's a score in it's own right. Plus the fact that the cutaway's are usually tool room one offs and are few and far between, not to mention that price wise, when found, cost much more than the retail price of the particular firearm the are representative of.
I have read quite a bit on this, the Fortner, method of lockup. But not had the opportunity to see one let alone work on one. If I may make an observation here. As brilliantly inventive as this action design is, from my experience I can draw an engineering design lineage back to the brilliantly simplistic H&K roller lock method of lockup. In principle they seem to have much in common. Whereas the H&K uses cylindrical vertical locking rollers and their corresponding locking recesses which are engaged by a floating wedge on the bolt. This design uses multiple hardened spherical bearing surfaces which engage identically shaped recesses in the receiver by way of a tapered cam that allows them to engage and retract in the recesses they are matted to. Easier done than said. In this case the diameter of the spherical ball bearings is in direct proportion to the pressure in C.U.P for the class of cartridge being chambered for it. This does have it's limitations as the number of, and size of the ball bearings and corresponding recesses has it's limitations in regards to the bolt head diameter. Also keeping in mind that lockup in the receiver itself amounts to 50% of the diameter of the spherical ball bearings shape, as this job is split between the bearings seat in the bolt and it's home in the receiver. From my experience using ball bearings in any type of recess where they are being used to retain something, a hardened steel ball is force fit into an undersized hole so as to be held in place and prevented from escaping from its seat, hence only around 50% of its surface area will protrude during lockup. On the plus side, when lockup wear occurs on traditional locking lugs and headspace is increased, generally, again i say "generally", a barrel setback is the method of fix. But in this method of lockup it would seem that a simpler correction would be to replace the worn ball bearing to achieve correct headspace. However, all the ball bearings would need to be changed to bring it back to spec. And the actual correct size to do so would require the factory spec as a starting point, a way to accurately measure the ball bearings, and not least of which, a way to procure them. Hopefully from the manufacturer, which I would suggest getting a supply of replacements in case the model is discontinued and the source dries up. Forming, shaping and heat treating such small parts would be challenging, unless you are setup with the type of tooling to cut, grind or shape a spherical bearing surface, to within .0001" at the least. But replacement itself should be a breeze. Me, I'd procure extras from the manufacturer at the time of purchase. Sorry for the lengthy rant, but I hope this gave some insight as to the design. All the best and stay safe, Bob
Hi Bob - Remarkable post and observations - which I had not thought of. So far the action seems to be holding and others I've seen that have seen much more use are okay so far too. Thanks again and keep writing. All the best.
You have the best toys........Thank you. again
Anschutz makes some fine rifles in 22lr, along with a steep price tag but as you stated you get what you pay for !!......thanks
I remember years ago watching the Biatholon in the Olympics, and I found watching the athletes operating the actions to be memorizing. So seeing one cut away was quite a treat. So thank you to both yourself and to Brad of Nordic Marksman for sharing the incredible engineering of the action in operation.
Considering your praise of this rifle as perhaps the most accurate gun you have ever owned I have no doubt that she is the thoroughbred she was designed to be. With respect to the target that you featured I am wondering as to what distance you shot it at?
Anyway, in the spirit of sharing something extraordinary in .22's I have to go with the Ruger Mark IV pistol. While it is certainly no Anshutz rifle I do think it is an extraordinary engineering achievement to go from one of the most horrendous guns to takedown and put back together to being one of the easiest
Now that you bring up accurate .22 pistols, you must mention the S&W model 41, all of the top of the line High Standards, and the little remembered Unique competition model .22. I shot all of these in bullseye matches in the "60s and still think the S&W 41 was the best of the bunch.
I own both a high standard and a 41 and my 41 is a tack driver!
Thank you for your tutorials on firearms. So many that I haven't even heard of. These rifles with the fortner action were amazing. Savage now makes a high powered rifle in several calibres called the Impulse. It also is a straight pull with ball bearings. Just for interest sake the word Leupold doesn't have an "a" in it. Proper pronunciation is more like lou powder not lee a pold. I used to work for a dealer. Thank you once again I really appreciate your videos.
Hey cool dude. Your memory is better than mine! Good job as always. Well done. Brilliant
Thank you 👍
Wow! What an amazing piece of kit. I thoroughly enjoyed your presentation of this beautifully designed and manufactured rifle. I live in a place where it is easy to own and use an airgun and quite a pain to own a firearm. I love the drive for supreme accuracy in airguns and very capable they are. It is great to see a rifle that can do top tier airgun accuracy but at 10 times the distance!
Thank you - the Anschutz if truly astonishing. The producer told me I forgot to say that there are 2 five shot groups on the target - the top group is 5 shots as well. What a rifle : ) I find airguns so interesting - I would actually have dozens. Maybe I will : ) Take care my friend.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns I remember your Slavia (a true workhorse of a rifle) and that unusually yet beautifully stocked BSA in your collection. As a fan of some of the more vintage stuff, that BSA had me smiling ear to ear when you showed it to us.
I enjoy all of your reviews, airgun or otherwise.
I forgot to add, I think your BSA may have been set up for target/competition use and quite possibly what we used to call "Bell target shooting." Pubs all over the UK had back rooms set up for bell-target shooting between pub teams and there were local, national and postal leagues up until the 1970s, maybe even into the 80s. People would be all "funny" about bringing rifles to the pub these days but it was a perfectly normal sport in my dad's day.
The target was a hole in a steel plate with a bell behind the hole. The hole being only slightly larger than the .177 pellet. Ring the bell to score a point. Some target plates had a scoring ring too outside the main scoring hole. The steel plate would be painted between every shooter to show the hits outside the main scoring hole. Lovely sport but no longer practised sadly.
Mike I’ve never seen a ball bearing bolt before. What a great and unique idea!!! I love the stock and overall design of this rifle. Now I guess I’ll have to start looking for one!
They're amazing, just about indestructible and sooo accurate - hope you get one! All the best to you.
1827F is used in Biathlon, many countries use this action. Excellent in cold weather, very impressive and very reliable, but expensive for the every day shooter.
The most extraordinary .22 I've ever used was a Winchester model 52 heavy barrel I used to compete with when I was in high school and college. It was owned by a small bore rifle club I belonged to in upstate New York and probably dated back to the 60's, possibly the '50s. Besides being as accurate as anything I've ever shot, including Anschutzs, the action was as smooth as butter and the trigger had a perfect break. What I would give to go back and find and buy it.
I just love my 1727f Anschutz it is a laser!
Great video, it really helps my fine gun addiction
The only issue I ran into with mine was that I wanted to attach a short picatinny rail to the front sling pin so I could attach a bipod. The Schnabel forend got in the way so I had to add several rubber spacers.
Anschutz simply are the best.
Incredibly fine rifles.
I am salivating all over my keyboard watching this!
I know what you mean 😂
And I looked up the price over $4000 🥵
The Fortner action provides fast follow-ups like a semi-auto and keeps the shooter in position. Yet the accuracy is identical to a bolt action.
Seeing the cut away demo was great! After looking closer at the inside of new Anschuetz, Krico, Hyme and Styre barrels I am not surprised that the accuracy is so good. Their barrels must be lapped since they show none of the chatter or tooling marks that can often be seen in many production barrels. If the bedding, rifling and crown are perfect every rifle should shoot like your example with the caveat that good, accurate ammo is used.
Hello Stefan! You must be right! Also I must mention - the groups I showed were not the best compared to what I shot on subsequent outings - an incredible rifle and action.
"I feel like an Anschutz store"
haha
Is that Kirsten Joy Weiss on the cover?
😂 I think they are German hunter/models on all the covers.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns hahaha Never heard of hunting models lol (multi interprable)
Wow sweet rifle with a sweet action!! You are lucky to own one! I don’t think I will own one because the price is over my budget!!
So what is the price ?
@@jimhamilton3544 $4000
Excuse me, I’ve just got to pick my jaw up from the floor...these are the most beautiful rifles I’ve seen. Thanks very much for MAKING this video, Mike. You’re aware of the steps that have gone into my rifle, (& EVERYTHING that has enabled me to shoot), & how this is the only alternative to my Tikka w/extended bolt handle. This-and the impossible to find Izhmash Model 7*2-are the only other rifles that I’ve got the muscles to cycle. Are Heym & Anschütz associated? That cutaway is the ultimate in "Show & Tell"! 🙏🏼Thanks to Brad from Nordic Marksman, indeed!!👍🏼
Thank you! I hope to find an Izhmash soon - missed one recently - they go up for sale and then are gone in short order. Always good to hear from you. Bye for now.
Interesting locking for a rifle 👌🏻😎
Great video. You know, thinking about this, the technology for this has been in place for more than 50, maybe 75 or more years. Go figure.
Amazing isn't it - the concepts and materials around for so long...just someone had to figure out how to get it all together for a purpose. Cheers.
Thanks for this video...and thanks to "Brad" for that cutaway model! Someone, below, pointed out that the radial locking is also used on things like hydraulic fittings, which also take a lot of load...the precision available with this system is something else! And, as you note, almost effortless. I don't know if it's visible in that model, but the trigger must be interesting, too.
BTW, I'm new to your channel, and have no idea what your "day job" is, or was, and I heard you mention that you had experience with gun design...do you have a video about yourself? Thanks, have a nice Christmas, and we all hope a better 2021!
Nice, always wanted one
Very nice wood!
This action is on their high-end biathlon rifles. I have 2 Anschutz biathlon rifles, a 1427 repeater with a 52 action and a junior biathlon with a 64 action. I would LOVE to try one of the newer models. I also have a Sako M78 and an FN Browning SA22 but of all the .22's I own, the 1427 is my favorite.
I’m new to rifles and to .22, but I just picked up an old Mossberg 151M(b) (semi-auto). Missing a couple sights (which I’m in the process of replacing). Paid $100 and I’m really looking forward to shooting it. Took the action apart and it’s smooth as silk. Would love to hear your take on these old rifles. I’ve read story after story of people who owned them as their first rifle and loved them and still love them.
I'm no expert but I just looked up that Mossberg 151 and it sure does look like a cool gun to me. Bet you going to have a lot of fun with that thing.
That's a great deal on a very nice rifle. You paid about 1/3 to 1/2 what they are going for.
I’m lucky enough to have inherited a Walter sportmodell 22, that was brought back at the end of WWII. To say that this gun is in immaculate condition would be an understatement. It has remained in wonderful condition all these years, and although what the Germans did was abhorrent, they certainly made fine weapons. The example I have is covered in Nazi insignia.
wow, i dont know why I got this video recommended. It is way out of my price range.
@Me. Me I found an Anschutz 1418 (64 action, Full Mannlicher stock, double set trigger, folding leaf sights) the other day for $500 CAD. Sometimes you get lucky.
Hey back to your Chanel after many months!
Nice video as always I have one in 17 HMR the best I owned ever but it's very expensive down here
Best regards Romeo
Hi Romeo - I've seen some incredible long range shots with that combo. And you're right - the price is very high - but worth it. No TurkAns on the market yet that I know of; only Turknellis - which are actually excellent. We'll see what happens next.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Thanks for the reply Sir much appreciated and I do have to agree with you we just have to wait and see Thanks again
Best regards Romeo
I just the other day I picked up on a Japanese made Winchester model 52B, Utah Centennial (1896-1996) with original box in like new condition. While I was at this unbelievable gunshop with supposedly 5,000 weapons I found and purchased a Walther PP SPORT-C 22lr WITH ALL THE GOODIES, IT'S IN 90-95% CONDITION. It was sold in Germany to a servicemen in 1969 and he brought it back so NO IMPORT MARKS!!!! 😊
But lottery tickets! Incredible good fortune!
Awesome Mike!
I have one of their .22 semi-auto rifle, did not what Anschutz was as a gun maker.
you are amazing thank you
You are an amazing man with a great channel and I value your opinion very much but when it comes to this I’ll stick with my Winchester model 52, At a certain point in time a Rifle is just a rifle and who’s behind it using this tool is what makes the difference, but thank you very much for sharing these other amazing rifles 👍
Thank you Johannes - every time I see your name I think of Bach - although he is missing an s : ) Anyway, I agree - the 52 has that timeless fundamental design and you are further correct - it is the shooter that makes the difference.
The only Anschutz I ever owned was a Model 1422D (I think) with a 54 action in 222 Remington. Out of the dozen rifles I've owned in 222/223 Rem, it was the least accurate of them all. In fact, the firing pin broke the 1st time I tried to use it, and the dealer tried to charge me for it. Even my gunsmith couldn't get it to shoot any better. His excellent advice was to get rid of it, and so for the same price, I got a Sako Deluxe in 222 Remington. End of problem. Not sure about steel balls for locking lugs. They may work on low power cartridges, but an engineering principle is to always keep things as simple as possible. For accuracy, all the gun magazines use five-5 shot groups on one sheet of paper for the lower calibres, and five 3-shot groups for the magnums.
WOW THAT'S SO COOL AND UNUSUAL FOR SURE.😯😉👍
Truly amazing what they came up with - maybe someone can make a more affordable sporter version.
Aquired an Anschutz-Savage, .22LR, bolt-action, stainless-steel bull barrel, blonde wood stock. Stamped: Made in West Germany. More precise than normal .22 ammo is ...
What a very interesting rifle thanks for showing us I would love to try one out sometime. Only thing that looked kind of out of place was that little bolt or handle not really a bolt I guess? Otherwise a beautiful rifle.
What I find amazing is that many of Annie rifles don’t have threaded barrels in the receivers. They’re just pressed in and pinned like ma y low end rimfire rifles. I suppose the difference between Annie and others is the tolerances that Annie Guns are held to.
Hi Wayne - I know what you mean - press fit works but no matter how well done seems like a lesser way.
Thanks! I need to try one of these...
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Hope you buy one Philippe - remarkable .22! All the best.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Thanks, i own a Weihrauch 22 lr. It's a good one, but these ball bearing actions look so great it gives me the need to try/have one... 🙏🏻
Spherical shape should have lots of locking power on that Bolt. Just think of how much weight ball bearings carry.
From recollection, the maximum pressure on a ball bearing ball, is about 10 times the peak chamber pressure of a 30-06.
Only way to make it cooler would be to give it a rotary mag, and maybe a mannlicher stock.
Wow - that's a great idea - the mannlicher would be stunning - some people might talk about accuracy but the style would be worth it!
My friend has a couple of heym rifles and he has a sr30 in .7x57 👌
Hi Eric - That is rare - I have trouble finding anyone that owns an SR30
When did Anschutz come out with that action? I thought I was fairly up to date on these rifles but this is a new one to me?
1984 was the date German engineering Quality 😉
Your rifles are fantastic and very valuable, I am surprised that you are not wearing cotton gloves to protect their fine finishes. Thanks for sharing.
Hello Frere : ) I have those gloves - just need to put them on. Merry Christmas!
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Merry Christmas and Happy Healthy Peaceful and Prosperous New Year 2022. I will re-visit your rifles again soon.
Sir you are too good. 👍
Thank you Tushar - appreciate the kind words!
Hmm, six folks who suffer from thumb spasms? How unfortunate, I know that spasms can hurt. Again, thanks very much for sharing this absolutely fantastic video.
😂 I don't mind - all kinds of opinions out there - all welcome here : )
$4000+ better be the best shooting 22 in the world ✌😜
😁 you're right!
Your love of fine rifles and the humble 22lr is wonderful to watch. Have you ever given a video tour of your firearm library? Thanks for your knowledge.
Hi David - thank you - great idea and we made a video like that and then for security reasons held back. I'm not sure if that's the right conclusion but I listen : ) Maybe soon. All the best.
Could you please do a video on the mossberg 800b and 800 bm series please. Id love to learn more about them( such as their accuracy and quality) seeing how they are one of the few center fire rifles mossberg has produced.
Hi James - These are fine rifles and somewhere in here on my channel is a review. I've always liked the Mossberg and found accuracy excellent : as usual for most Mossbergs. I think mine was in 30-06 and I had not issues whatsoever. If I come across a different model I'll buy and make another review. Good shooting!
These were highly underrated rifles. They were of fine quality and were VERY good shooters. Their barrels were top notch. Many only think of the excellent Mossberg 500 Shotgun. Those of us with the age or experience know that Mossberg at one time was an extremely prolific rifle manufacturer, especially .22's, all types of .22's. Actually, more than you can count. And of their centerfire bolt guns they had some very nice models . But the late era 800's were quite good. I was quite impressed with the 800 Heavy Barrel Varmint model. It shot extremely well.
It will make you feel real good, or ruin your day when you can no longer blame your equipment.....
Hey, the Savage Impulse!! Savvy foreshadowing, guy - did you have insider info? 😇
With an MSRP of almost $5k it better be the "most EXTRAORDINARY" "slickest" rifle you have ever seen/shot.
actions speak louder than words . show us results!
I'm thinking PRS etc
Someone at Terminus, Bat, Curtis etc could incorporate this action.
For sure the action could be developed for many applications and cartridges - but no takers so far.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Looks like a business opportunity
I own an Anshutz 1712 and a CZ 452, the CZ shoots 95% as good as the Anshutz at 1/4 of the price.
I have this rifle in 17 hmr and I went mad and put a Swarovski Z5-25x52 BT scope on it. You can shoot the hairs off a fly's arse. I also stumbled upon a 1972 Savage/Anschutz 22lr( 54 sporter) in a local shop and it's a beautiful laser as well. Anchutz will ruin you for other guns. Cheers.
Incredible accuracy and precision manufacturing - glad you've experienced the magic of Anschutz.
For $3,895 it better be the most accurate 22 ever
I want to ask you a question. I just found a consignment Kassner model 2165 at my neighborhood gun shop. It is in 270 and has some nice scope mounts and a Cabella's 3-9 scope. The stock is nicely checkered and blond in color. It has the tang safety, a cotton military type sling and a Mauser action. They are asking $400 for it. The stock has several scuff areas which could be touched up. It says made in Austria. What do you think?
@Me. Me you assume I drink volumes and have friends.. A big assumption. Thanks for your input. Google is not my friend, by the way. My "conspiracy theories" and death have eliminated most "friends".
Beautiful 😁
Hard to believe how great this rifle is - and I've seen many types of rifles : ) Thanks for watching!
could this action be used in a centre fire rifle
Hi John - They could easily adapt to short CF rounds.
That action is a swiss design .
I didn't know; somehow was told Fortner was German. Thank you.
At the end of the video I started to look for the cartridges on the floor, lol!
Wish I could afford one
For $4,000 it should be accurate. Love to see it vs CZ 457 Jaguar in shoot off.. I suspect the new CZ would win.
Hi Michael - That's a great idea and it is quite possible the CZ would win. So many variables though - a machine rest would be needed and at least 3 of each rifle and then identical ammo of course. Can be done though. On the other hand, a more relaxed, less scientific test can be interesting as well - which is what I usually do. Thanks for the note. : )
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns All .22 precision rifles require extensive ammo testing down to lots to get the most our of them.
If you are lucky you own an Anschuetz that loves cheaper ammo. Safe bets are SK, RWS, ELEY and Lapua.
Prolly same goes for the CZ. So what trigger group was used in the Anschuetz? the 64 or 54? The 54 is used for ISSF olympic style shooting matches, The 64 mostly for entry level match guns and hunting rifles.
The sad part here, is that CZ and most rimfire manufacturers, don't care about us lefties. I would love a cz 457 system rifle for target practice and some small game hunting. But I shooting from the wrong shoulder and have the wrong dominant eye. Enough crying. Would it be harmful to practise with a right handed rimfire, when I got a left handed .308 win? I am inexperienced and fairly new to hunting.
@@to2s134 Get a Vudoo V22. They make LH actions.
I have 2 LH CZ's and as of today I also have 2 lh Anschutz 22's just got my 1727 today so they are out there if you can find them . Ty Nordic Marksman in Truro NS or Tenda Canada for CZ or Powder Keg in Kamloops
For the people who are complaining about the price: This system is made for Biathlon sport, it's like a high end carbon road bike or other sport equipment. They are made for this ruclips.net/video/pQGIGGBbGsU/видео.html (winning the biathlon worldcup) ruclips.net/video/j9hkBwd6ozg/видео.html
The action is still produced exclusive by Peter Fortners small company, the Rifles are made in Germany by Anschütz with the highes quality standards.
If you by one of these only for plinking at the range you are a little overdressed ;-) but if you are excited about the technology and the clever design it's maybe still worth the money...