Good reference point, in reality very few people drive like this (but a lot claims to do so). I got asked a lot about my charing time by fossil drivers already being parked, I tell them its about 20-30 min they say oh that is slow... and when I leave 25 min later they are still there... Like you said everything under 10h is perfectly viable for 99%.
There's a small refuelling station not far from a friend's house which have very compelling prices. Long story short, more often than not this refuelling station is crawling with people waiting in line to refill their car, and they can wait more than 20 minutes to do so - I know because I did a couple of time to save some money (and a lot of time I've found it to be out of petrol/gasoline). If time was so important as a lot of people claim, the other refuelling station located 30 seconds away on the same road wouldn't be completely empty when there's a line there just to save 3€ for a refill. So I think a 10-15 minutes charging session is absolutely okay for the majority of people, but they fail to realise so.
I think more important than the time saved with ice cars is just the freedom and possibility to do so. With EVs you're stuck at a certain stop until you have enough juice to reach the next one, with ice you can spend an hour at the gas station but that's by choice not need. You can also stop at whatever restaurant or rest stop without having to worry if there's a charging station around. People just like options.
It’s funny how when it comes to comparing to EVs, every fossil car driver suddenly turns into absolute robots that doesn’t need any resting on long trips
@@cristianmanfredini I've just done 350 miles today, 6 hours 40 mins. Three charges, 12 mins, 11 mins, 7 mins. 30 mins charge (loo opportunities) in that overall journey didn't seem to be an issue for us.
@@azureactivedirectory Yes, in the UK, an EV isn't possibly viable until they can do the standard daily commute which is from Land's End to John O'Groats, some 800 miles or so. This needs to be done both ways, non stop, towing a caravan, in under 20 hours and it's uphill both ways.
Björn, this channel deserves all the love in the world. Such a comprehensive collection of information is invaluable. I often enjoy just watching your videos, best mix of entertainment and information 🙂
I rented a polestar2 to drive from Adelaide to Sydney for Fully Charged Live. It is a 1400 km drive, and I took the inland route across the Hay plain using NRMA 50 kw and Evie 350 kw public fast chargers. I had no problems with the chargers, and the lowest I got was 13% with 70 km range remaining. It took exactly 24 hours in each direction stopping only to recharge and food and toilet breaks, mind you I was fairly tired when I reached my destination, but not dangerously so, due to naps when recharging. Goes to show, even in Australia you can drive long distances in an electric vehicle, as long as you plan your route. Cheers Bjorn.
Hey Bjørn. I own this car and had exactly the same issue. Gas consumption was much to high. After i complained that to Nissan i got some software Updates that reduced the fuel consumption for 120 km/h to about 7.9 Liters. I guess they had a software issue with the first charge of cars.
will do 1300km tomorrow from Germany to France and back the next day, again 1300km, in a Model 3. So yes, long drives through the EU are quite common for us. But easy using the SuC network. Theres a SuC, hotel and big supermarket at the destination, perfect.
My daily drive is a 2013 Holden (Chevy) Volt which I bought for one third of the new price, it uses 4.5 to 5.5 litres per 100km in hybrid ice mode, but I do over 90% of my driving on fully electric. I charge it off my solar panels and powerwall 2 for free, and it has a lifetime average consumption of 1.7 litres per 100 km in 147,000 km. I live in South Australia so lots of sunshine most of the year. Works for me!
I concur.. I have driven the Malmö-Oslo return trip a few times for work. Best run I did was with two drivers, so rest breaks were short, although we did stop for lunch, was 6hrs each way (for context, Helsingborg is approx 45mins North of Malmö). Made it there and back on one tank using a 2011 BMW 318d. So fuelling was not the issue.. the traffic and organic thing behind the wheel was 😜
Before 3 years I had Opel Ampera 2012 ( Chevy Volt) with this system (generator) , but with 16KWH battery (10kwh) usable and 50-70km full electric range....So this Nissan with 2.1Kwh battery is strange:))
The problem is the 2 kWh battery, it is not sufficient. The motor will be engaged much more frequently and at high power (higher rpm with less efficiency).
the 2.1kWh is just to pass certain regulations around the minium distance hybrids need to be able to drive on the electric motor only. before those laws you could buy a porsche "electric" that could not drive out of the parking spot without using the fossil engine.
Great job Bjørn setting a new speed standard for 1000 km challenge. I would not drive like this, so thanks for sacrificing yourself for science to get this result. I would take at least the 9:00 hours you did in the Kia Creed PHEV doing 1000 km in real life. Probably 10:00 or even 11:00 if traveling with my wife. 😂. I am glad you took a rest break as that was the smart thing to do. No need to literally sacrifice yourself or others to get a good scientific test.
Our Skoda Kodiaq with the 2L 132kw 320nm with 7spd DSG averages 7.3-7.6 on long journeys with the climate control set at 21 degrees C, and runs on 95 fuel in the Australian hot summer where it can be 38-44C outside. Cannot believe why the fuel consumption is just so ridiculously so high! Though that this idea would have been a great compromise, but obviously it doesn’t work in the real world. Thanks for another great informative video Bjorn. I’d suggest a Skoda Kodiaq as another option for an ICE vehicle test. 👌👍
Nissans HATE to be cold during driving. My 2020 Nissan Sentra (US gas only model) went from getting 40-50 MPG at 70 mph during summer to around 30 in winter
Don't compare that to steady long range run with 110-120 km/h. But to be honest, consumption in my Mazda CX-5 2.0 AT AWD is around 8-8,5l/100km with avg speed. 120 km/h and 9-9,5l/100km with avg. 140 km/h
My last ICE was an Audi A6 with small Diesel engine. On long trips I was able to go 1100km with one tank (62L). But not with the speeds driven on this video.
GM with the "voltec" system in the Ampera/Volt has a ICE to wheels connection for MOTORWAYS driving to improve efficacy as the series hybrid is NOT efficient at constant high load cycles
Still think the 2016-2019 Chevrolet Volt concept is the best of all for PHEV's, especially the 2019 which had the 7.2kw charging speed. Excellent performance and exceptional fuel economy. This Nissan though is quite interesting and if you drive at slower speeds, it could probably pull off some outstanding numbers. Those conditions were pretty dreadful when you look at the chart. The top performers all had ideal conditions. Test this Nissan out in the summer and I think an easy 30-45 minutes could be deducted. The drag in that weather Bjorn drove through was probably very high for a vehicle that isn't shaped to cheat the wind well. Nice video Bjorn as always
I second your comment about the Chevy Volt. I owned two of them and really enjoyed my time with both. The only things needed to make them perfect was a heated steering wheel and 7.2 kW charger. The 2019 had both, but instead of buying a third Volt I bought a 2018 Tesla Model 3 instead. That was a much bigger upgrade than a 2019 Volt would have been.
I may possibly not be the first to mention it, but this technology (excluding the battery) goes back to Ferdinand Porche (yes, him), who designed several heavy tanks in early 1940's using ICE engines powering a generator to drive electric motors. It avoided many transmission issues, which were weak points at the time. The main reason development didn't proceed on the electric Tiger(P) was that the limited supply of copper for the motors was better used elsewhere (U-boat motors, other electriical cabling, etc.).
I have a turbo diesel passat and holiday home 950 km away in south of France (starting point Luxembourg). Trip usually lasts 8,5 hours if no traffic jam driving at a steady 135 km/h to avoid (too expensive) speeding tickets. At this speed consumption is 5,8l/km depending on wind and temp. No need for refueling stop at all. Tank is 65 liters. We do this trip very often and do mind the possibility to do it in short period of time. We see the electric cars that would replace those efficient machines (vw passat) in no less than 5-10 years from now.
Obviously you don't waste any thought on the environment. Burning 10-20 tons of precious fossil fuel irretrievably in a car's lifetime is of course much smarter than being able to recycle over 95% of a 500 kg battery.
@@ursfurer1145 Welcome to the real world. I am quite sure the average nothern european that owns an EV consumes a lot more resources and uses more fuel than the ones with ICE cars. Ever heard of flying to a holiday destination? Let the one without sin throw the first stone...
hi the e-power note uses vacuum boosted brakes so the engine runs whenever you use the brakes or the forward collision thinks that you might want to use the brakes and turning off the ventilation system results in much better fuel economy because it runs the motor un-necessarily just to get heat even if it is set for cooling and the form i got with the car stated 2.9L/100km and the best i could achieve was 4L/100km on car display
Interesting how the dashboard screens of the X-trail are just like the Ariya. Center screen looks exactly the same and only small differences in the instrument screen behind the steering wheel.
Yeah, I mean in energy a normal fuel pump would convert to a 21600kW charger.... 56l = 560 kWh "charges" in 1,5 minutes :D As reference if a ev would have a 100 kWh battery bank and we would assume the charging would be done from 0-100 SoC it would require 4 mW charging without a performance drop.
For me it's confusing, that you need to hold the gas pump while refueling. As Bjorn mentioned that in the past I wondered: What the heck is he talking about? In Germany you can "lock" it and it stops automatically which is much more convinient. I always believed that this would be the case in any country as well until that time.
Personally, I own the hybrid Camry '21. On normal roads, my average fuel consumption is 4.2 liters per 100 kilometers. On the highway at 120 km/h, it takes around 5.4 liters per 100 kilometers. I would be interested in seeing a test of this vehicle by you and your comment
@Bjørn Nyland Also something to mention, fuel cost for this 1000km challenge was around 2200-2400 NOK (if fuel prices is 20-22NOK): In my Kia E-Niro I have a consumption on about 15kwh/100km (in winter, 11 in summer), and I pay 2,5NOK pr KWH at Ionity, that is 375NOK in fuel costs, around 285NOK if my car is charged up at home before departure!! On other chargers you can charge for around 5 NOK/kwh (Tesla, E-on), that would be 750 NOK (still 1/3rd of the price of fossil), and if topped up at home before departure 510NOK. That is indeed an insane difference! 1$ is about 10NOK.
@@Davegvg3576 ahh got you, it's so weird that every country has different nossles, payment methods whatsoever. Here at my place for example we can always lock the nossle so you don't have to hold it. But we usually pay inside the shop. :D
Never thought of that segment of the population that wants to wreck the environment, but really enjoys ev driving dynamics. Now they have the best of both worlds!
@Wooly Chewbakker cars get replaced because they rust or they aren't worth repairing. They're already replaced on a cycle so replacing them all again is normal. The majority of cars in the UK are less than 20 years old.
@Wooly Chewbakker I think I've lost your original point. Removing ICE from the road by e.g. 2070 and knocking co2 emissions down overall by 10% with minimal strife sounds like a win. Could be better with greener batteries or an earlier end but still a win.
@Wooly Chewbakker did you see pictures of Los Angeles after the first month or two after the pandemic lockdown? Smog free skies. I don’t have time to validate your 10% claim, but I know I don’t want to breathe smog. And indefinitely burning fossil fuels is ridiculous.
My 2010 Ford Fusion Hybrid would do over 700 miles on a tank (17.5 US gallons). That was about as far as I would want to drive in a day. My current 2018 Ford Fusion with the EcoBoost engine gets close to 600 miles on a tank (16.5 US gallons). Thing is, I cannot drive that long without a stop. I just did a road trip, and the fastest pit stop at a rest area on the Interstate was 15 minutes from exit to back in the car and moving. Having done a road trip in an EV and tracking the time I took for normal stops on this last trip, the real difference between them is very small. You still need more planning for the EV road trip, but this is not that different than the 70s and 80s when there were not the number of gas stations, and they were not all open 24 hours.
I'm really surprised that the consumption was that high. For a serial hybrid I expected that it would be more efficcient, but probably small combustion engines can't made efficcient at all.
Great test, Bjorn. Thank you! One question: You drove 1000 km both in this X-Trail and Ariya. Which of the two cars was more comfort to drive this large distance?
I did a 500km round trip drive with my 2022.5 Volvo XC90 during the winter at on average -7C and mostly highway driving at speeds of about 120kmh for the main motorway and then lower in lower speed zones from time to time. I started with the battery fully charged (as would be expected) my fuel economy was 9.04 Liter/100km. When the battery was empty and the motor was running, I set the mode to charge the battery via engine and then when the battery was as full as the engine would charge, I would switch back to the battery. I had done a similar run before but without using the engine charge the battery and got slightly worse fuel economy (9.80 Liter/100km)
You probably should try something like a Diesel Skoda Octavia. That is very very efficient. It may be able to demonstrate how useless are Hybrid car, especially for long trips. Now EV can deal with almost every need. And the complexity of the drive train is going to be a mess for maintenance.
This is not a typical hybrid. I agree this hybrid tech is usless, but if you look at toyota hybrid cars compared to this one for example. They use around half of this cars consumption.
For long trips a diesel will return very good consumption numbers. City driving is something else though. My 2010 Prius blows anything else of comparable size out of the water. No turbocharger, no direct injection, no diesel injectors that are difficult to replace. Simple petrol, port injection and a bit of electricity.
@@oddhv7688 They dont, not even close. Maybe 10% better, if that. You are comparing to a lower average speed or other body type for sure for the Toyota if its "half".
I know this is outside your niche, but I would be interested in seeing how a massive German diesel luxobarge (like the 3 liter 7-series) would do in this test. There are some videos on youtube suggesting extreme highway driving range. I have to admit it probably would`t be useful as a base, but it would be fun. This Nissan reported a range at start of under 700km, and that is not exactly state of the art.
I was interested in the x-Trail e-power concept, same car as upcoming Outlander, did a great test drive in Quashkai last year, but then I found out I cannot preheat and precool the car like any other electric Nissan by App or timer so I dumped it. Maybe 2024 version can do? Bjorn, next time use the hook in the gas pistol which saves you another 3+3 minutes.
22:29 my guess is that Lucid Air could almost match this result with good weather conditions. Theoretically you can do 1000 km challenge with 1/2 stop only, since you have a probably 650/700 km of range at 120 kph with Lucid air.
And Lucid is currently firing staff, so we best wait about praising them for now. I hope they don't follow SONO and that other super efficient car, that went under.
@@w0nd3rlu573r company issues aside, the lucid air is an existing car, not a prototype. So, at least, bjorn should have the chance to test it, independently from its commercial results.
@@DG-uv3zw the only test I saw was made by an insideevs journalist at about 20° and showed 800 km real range at 112 km/h cruise speed, which is mind-blowing. I don't know if there are any reliable winter tests on YT. What we need is an extensive test from Bjorn, that's for sure.
Good evening, congratulations for the video. I have the same car and don't know where the OBD II port is. Also with which application do you get the engine data
Consumption is as expected, its a fumction of the high aerodynamic drag of the body type at these speeds. Other similar cars with petrol engines wont be a lot better at all. 10 percent or so maybe. Only way to get down to maybe 6-7 l/100km in the best case or a bit more would be to use a diesel.
Getting Nissan X-Trail e-Power e-4orce next week. I like torque and e-pedal driving, but I don't want EV any more - I am fed up with slow charging, long waiting, hour long ques on weekends or sometimes broken charging stations.
Obviously you don't waste any thought on the environment. Burning 10-20 tons of precious fossil fuel irretrievably in a car's lifetime is of course much smarter than being able to recycle over 95% of a 500 kg battery.
Hello, I enjoy watching your videos (big fan), I'm a taxi driver from Canada and drive Rav4 prime, I will assure you that the Rav4 Prime will do a much better around 8L/100Km (18kwh battery) I would to point out that on this challenge you needed to have a break for over an hour and not during the Ev tests probably because when charging for 30 minutes a few times during the trip, you were resting a bit without realizing , so in my opinion the resting time for an hour and 20 minutes should not be deducted .
No, this test is for the machine, not the driver. Thats why the deductions should stand. Maybe your rav4 can do 8l/100km at these speeds but thats on the edge of whats possible. Not sure it is with this driving profile.
There's currently a dozen of them for sale in the biggest online car sale website in my country, all used and still going for about +€45.000! So I guess there's always some BIG SUCKAS out there somewhere!!...
Count the safety nap! One of the things I love about EV road trips is the forced rests, it stops you from doing dumb things late at night, and makes the journey a lot safer as a result. Excellent test as always Bjørn, great to get an updated fossil reference, Nissan should put a 20kWh pack and an AC plug on this vehicle, they've done all the hard work of electrifying the drive train and making an efficient range extender generator, sell it with a bunch of battery options - or even upgrade-able ones!
No, I dont think he should because most people doing 1000km wouldnt do it after a long day. And its not necessary to take a nap after less than 9 hours driving for anyone really if you start rested.
I feel like this cars system is very ineffective. 1,1l/10km is really high consumption. A big shame really, because it seemed like a cool concept. I think you are right about stopping atleast once. I used to do drives that was about 1050km and I would stop once half way just to top up fuel so it was not super low on arrival, stretch, visit a bathroom, get some food and coffe and then go again. Never really timed it but I suppose it was about 15-20min if there was no line to shop at the station. Now that I have a family electric works great. It is perfect timing to stop every 300km or so.
Its higher than some similar cars, but not that much. Its the speed that does it. Wont get much better than other similar cars at the same speed. Depends on the situation for stops, I am sure its correct for most people. Myself, I do 1500km with only one fuel stop for 2 minutes, but thats an outlier for sure.
@@GoldenCroc Thats true, it is a petrol after all. Im more used to diesel that can do that trip at around 0,7 for a smillar size car. Yeah I think you are an outlier for sure. I did the 1050 drive in one go on some occasion but I did not find it worth it.
If we take the ES8/EQS/Model S 9 hours to be accurate, then I would expect a fossil car to be closer to 7:45. My experience suggests that it is roughly 1 hour of charging for every 6 hours of driving. So 7:45 should take approximately 1:20 to charge... so 9 hours total travel time. I think it's interesting to see that a fossil car would be 8:35. This basically says that there was ~45 minutes of time that a fossil driver may use while conducting a refueling stop (like getting food, using the bathroom, etc) and not even realize it. I only mention this because everyone complains about how much time is added on road trips (which they never take lol) to charge a car, but it can be significantly closer than they would imagine, especially if you have charging at reasonable stops (like restaurants).
Series hybrids are awful for highway usage because they have to take the gasoline, burn it incredibly inefficiently in the ICE, use that to power a generator, rectify it and send it to the battery, then draw from the battery, run it through the inverter and use that to power the drive motors. Every form of energy conversion results in a loss. Using series hybrid makes some sense in a PHEV where you might be able to drive 30-40 miles in full electric mode because it typically leads to much better efficiency in electric mode, but it makes absolutely no sense in a hybrid with a micro-battery.
I'm was interested to see the real world efficiency of this car. I currently own a 2021 Rav4 hybrid and get around 6.0L/100km driving around our part of New Zealand which includes going over some big hill/mountain ranges at faster speeds so not sure if this e-Power solution would be any better. The interior looks nicer/more modern than the Rav4 but not sure it's worth the extra costs, at least here in NZ.
@@vipvip-tf9rw I find the Rav4's ride to be pretty good. It's not stiff by any means but we drive some pretty twisty roads in our part of NZ and the Rav4 does a good job of feeling composed. The interior is okay - it doesn't feel too cheap but it's not fancy, it gets the job done which is what we need.
Similar to this video, I have doubts about the reporting of rav4 stats. Have you ever checked against how much fuel you put in and compared it to distance reported on gps? It just doesnt make sense that a car with a horrible drag coefficient can somehow cheat laws of physics. toyota doesnt have any special breaking regen technology that would put them that far ahead.
@@etnelav I haven't done any tests to check if the fuel economy figure but I know since we've had the Rav4, we fill up way less compared to our other cars and our diving patterns are pretty consistent. I mean Toyota claims I should be getting 5.3L/100km and I've not hit that mark. I think 5.8L/100km is the lowest I got with just in town driving. Given the types of roads we drive and the distance covered, it doesn't seem like I'm being lied to. I know if we're just in town it sips fuel. I just think the Rav4 hybrid is pretty good at using the electric motors to deal with start/stop driving and assisting in general. I mean maybe it helps that this thing can't launch like an EV, so it's not wasting energy on performance and it's all about efficiency. I know that some other reviewers have for the Rav4 hybrid down to the low 5L/100km in urban driving (these were AUS and NZ reviewers - separate instances). I think you need to be really careful with your driving to hit that (which I am not).
Wait? You telling me, that they put an ICE, connected to a generator, which is an electric motor, which charge batteries, which provide power to another electric motor? You'll have around 30% loss with that + added wieght. It doesn't make any sense, unless this car was made by marketing people, not engineer. Edit: OMG, it has a 1.5kWh battery. This is getting ridiculous...
ICE efficiency isn’t linear thus if you have non-CVT trans then ICE might operate in inefficient mode depending on RPM, so such engines have modified ECU map to work at the most efficient RPMs. But in general Toyota’s HSD makes more sense, but it’s patented.
Thats why the consumption is so f** high. I have an 220xd gran tourer from bmw and travel on the autostrada in italy at 150kmh and having only 7.5l/100km. This nissan is extrem inefficent
Seeing I'm getting rid of my EV (Hyundai Ioniq) for a petrol, due to spending my life at charge stations and the additional cost of food/coffee at each location and the weight I put on because of this, can I ask: 1) how much did it cost in fuel to do the 1000km test and how does that compare against an EV? 2) how much does the Xtrail cost and how would it compare against a similar costing EV?
The 38kwh ioniq is not a good ev, simply because they cut the charging speed in half compared to the 28kwh to put in a that bigger battery, the 28kwh charges 10-80% in around 17-18 minutes, so similar to the newer ioniq 5. It actually performs quite well on Bjørn’s 1000 km test.
Borrowed the Ioniq 5 when my car was in for further warranty work. It was better, but still only really delivered 200 miles on a full charge in winter. Mine delivers 115 miles in winter. Most of my journeys are around 240 miles, meaning two charges. Some trips are around 600 miles. This requires careful planning and the charging generally adds a further 4 hours to my day. My experience of EV ownership was good initially (2 years ago), even with the lack of charge points, but now with the average cost per kW being 79p, the costs are now compatible with fossil fuel. To give you an idea, I charged from 10% to 80% which the system stated gave me 125 miles (actual lower). It cost £19.71 and took 45 minites. We use our other car, a Hyundai Diesel 4x4, and drive 560 miles on holiday with a full car and roof box and it does it with £90 of diesel from empty, which took about 2-3 minutes to fill and only one stop. So, for not much more, I'm saving a lot of time, range anxiety, planning, panic about broken chargers (thank goodness for ZapMap), delays due to the damn cable not releasing from the car because the charger lost contact, less coffee / food purchases and reduced weight gain. I'm still interested to see how it compares, but there is no point in comparing a £40000 Xtrail to £95000 Tesla. I like how quiet and quick EVs are, but I'm concerned about how recyclable the battery is, how ethical the battery build is and what the longevity of the vehicle will be.
1) I counted from video it costed 1737,98 SEK ~ 153,81 EUR after 2 fill-ups but the total is missing last fill-up at the end. 2) In Finland the starting price for that X-Trail is 41 800 EUR
i'd say you don't have to eat on every break -but as i can put on weight when cycling across the alps, I'm not in a position to do so. Coffee is always good when driving through
If you push a big truck button on gas station than you can able refill gas almost 2 times faster. its like for suv and big cars with with big fuel capacity.
This car could be very nice with bigger battery ( 18-20kWh ) as a PHEV . Currently with high fuels consumption ( 3 people and some luggage -2'C 15L/100km ) it is pointels vehicle :)
Fossil cars don't have much higher consumption when it's cold. For a medium/large diesel SUV you can expect sub 0,7 liters per 10 km both in winter and in summer.
@logitech4873 well, sort of true. Normally you have lower consumption using winter tires and with a strong diesel engine the road conditions have very little impact
@logitech4873 and the engine type have a substantial impact. It very much depends on then the engine is working effectively. You're expecting a linear behaviour, which is not the case.
@@logitech4873 "Many people believe that winter tires use more fuel than summer tires and therefore want to change to summer tires as early as possible in the spring. - But there is no major difference in fuel consumption between summer and winter tyres. In fact, winter tires usually have lower rolling resistance than most summer tires, says Allan Ostrovskis, technical director at Nokian Tyres."
Really interesting, but the wrong car to test it in. This car is really good for city trips but not highway trips. I am not saying you are quicker with a diesel because you are not, but the consumption is lower. My 2016 Mercedes Avant C-Class 250 Diesel had a consumption of between 7.2 l/100 and 6.4 l/100. I had for a 1780km trip ca. 18h. with Kids and Wife. With my Tesla 3LR, I have 17 h. But i am more Relaxed driving. The downside is that at night, many of the Supercharger toilets are closed. But EV for the Win.😊
I currently drive the same car (4Matic and 9G-Tronic). My 2016 740d had much better fuel economy in every situation, I don't think Mercedes are very efficient.
Circle K has the slowest payment-system ever. And the annoying questions before you can start filling? Nope! Go to shell :) Much simpler. Also I think most gasoline pumps now can be locked just like the diesel nossles, so you don't have to hold them when filling! \o/
6:40 I mean, a consumption of 10l/100km is to be expected, no? That's effectively a SUV running on petrol. Probably a drag coefficient like a tank. Going 100 or 110 instead of 120+ , would help with consumption. Even without the whole battery and e-motor thingy in between you'd have the same consumption.
My worst single tank in my IONIQ Plug-in was 9.66 l/100km, and that was at sustained 120 km/h, outside temp around 5°C, with a passenger, our snowboarding gear, and two 29" mountain bikes on the roof. This X-Trail result blew me away...
Yeah, an Hybrid car like this one combines the worst of both worlds. Bad efficiency in the elctric drivetrain, high maintenance and fuel costs, loud engine and so on. You don't really save fule, except maybe in city driving.
@@kruemelfelix I got my plug-in for my commute, where it has saved me huge coin. I didn't go full EV back then because we didn't have the charging infrastructure for me to get to my snowboarding hills and back. Fortunately that's changed now, and my next car will be a full EV. (We just replaced my wife's Santa Fe XL with a Model Y in fact.)
@@KevinT3141 For commuting small distances Hybrids were a good compromise before full-EVs were suitable in some regions. They aren't that bad in cities. Now it's different but I can totally understand your decision at that time. Model Y is a great choice, have fun with it! And also don't hessitate participating in local Tesla meetups or your local Tesla forum ;)
Seems like a good plan to test at least one more really good ICE diesel to see what is truly the very best an ICE can achieve. And I again put in a word for my favoured choice - the Ford Focus. I think maybe the most economical variant might be the 1.5 TDCi 105 ECOnetic. And like a very few other diesels, it might just manage 1,000 km on a single tank. (I've read other comments here speaking for a BMW 5 Series, or a Hyundai Ionic ICE. I wonder which of these is the best. But I think they'd both be better than a Volvo XC40, which I suspect will be a bit of a grass guzzler by comparison.)
IMHO LONG range would be the "key" to get to ONE / ZERO stops but at that point we are reaching average speed over distance and Google maps can give you that
Best ICE can do max theoretical speed (as in, the speed limit) in a 1000km test so no need to test it really, since its impossible to legally go faster. Quite a lot of diesel cars can do 1000km in a single tank, almost every non suv car that is a bit larger and got a 4 cylinder engine should manage it at these speeds. Passat, BMW 5 series, Merc E class etc.
@@jadziadax8658 Not sure I get what you mean? Irrelevant how? If you look at other comments, there are lot of them that dont seem to understand there is a theoretical max speed that can be achieved if the legal speed limits are to be followed. Since no stops are needed with quite a few ICE cars, they are all equal. Maxed out. As I said, lots of people dont seem to get that. Perhaps you meant something else?
is this also the base of the brandnew Outlander PHEV? I think the Outlander is even more an „EV“ than the Nissan, e. g. it has a DC fast charger port and a 20 kWh battery, so pretty interesting to see how the Nissan is performing here - thank you for the video in advance - as soon as the new Outlander PHEV will arrive in Europe I will test drive one - OK, I recently switched to a brandnew Tesla MY LR, but I‘m still a huge fan of the Outlander PHEV :-) But to be honest, driving 100‘s of km on a highway is not an area a PHEV will perform well…
Quite a good result, but I think you could do even better. My diesel BMW 5 series gets 6.3 L/100km consumption and 1100km from a single tank. Do you think this challenge could be done on a single tank and without stopping? Love the channel man, I wish we had the same charging infrastructure as Norway!
@GreenDriveIndia he can take a break but it wouldn't count towards the total time as he did in this run so he would save maybe like around 10 minutes which he took in both fueling stops.
@@GreenDriveIndia Yeah, 500km seems to be a good limit for driving non-stop (that's about 4 hours of driving at 120km/h), and that's why I say that once EVs can do ~500km at 120Km/h, during winter... it's pretty much game over for the argument that EVs suck for long road trips... There are currently EVs already capable of doing about 480km during winter, but at just 90km/h average speed...
This test is like comparing the most efficient EV vs one of the least efficient ICE. I'm all for EVs but we have to be real ICE does longer journeys a lot quicker.
Yep, if you get to drive in Europe for a rather lengthy period of time, you'll quickly lose appetite for all those V8 SUVs and pick-up trucks you people drive there...
maybe try the old ioniq as a reference. Next to an ev we have a hybrid ioniq. Things only sips 5.5L when driving fully loaded with 3 people and bunch of crap to our holiday in southern europe 135km/h on cruise controle. It wont make 1000km on its tiny 45liter tank though
I would say the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV is a better option than this car. The Outlander have a direct connection to the front wheels, and to eletric motors. Outlander have the same battery as Citroën C-Zero, but likely LiFePO4 would have been a better option, due to some have had problems with the battery.. In the forums, people have complained that it can be a problem and prevent the engine to start to heat the battery (it has a 5kW eletric water heater).
Recently did motorway route in my father in law's Outlander PHEV - 10l/100 km, started with almost empty tank so I had to fuel up twice on the 400 km route - the fuel tank is tiny due to the battery. My father in law uses it 90% within or little above the battery range and he has PV so it makes sense, but compared to my diesel S-Max which dues 5,9l/100 km on motorway and covers 1200 km it really sucked. The best of two worlds 😂
Well the equivalent to one liter diesel is 11 kWh, that's means you car used almost 65 kWh on a hundert Kilometers, three times more than an EV. That means the Ev needs only two liter of diesel for 100km, your S-Max can't beat that. I also previously owned an Ford S-MAX diesel, but on the Highway it was more like 7.5 liters, 5.9 l/100km would be a dream.
The point is not what you can do when you can but what you can do when you must. An ICE car can do this challange in any weather, any temperature...essentially any distance and the range is almost always the same any most important of all. You know it. You dont have to make a plan A, B and C. EV's are great for commuting or take a ride of you choosing when you can.
Incorrect assumption. The range is *not* almost always the same. The range can vary as much as 20 %. Probably even more since I haven't tested in summer yet. Watch and learn: ruclips.net/video/04NmFTr4mZ8/видео.html
That fuel consumption is so bad. Could you try a modern diesel on one of these tests? One that can easily do 1000km on a tank of fuel with a higher average speed than that? I think that would then be a realistic benchmark to set for EVs to get close to.
@@tommesob5099 Thanks. I have no more clue about fossil cars, but it would be nice to know, what time the BEV have to catch to be equal to fossils (in terms of time/km). Not that it is necessary to be equal, but it's nice to know 😎
Seeing you talking about EV and fossil comparison for 1000km, would you think if you driving an long range ev (400kms and above) and then "snack" on electrons at every charging stations you can find along the route for like 5 mins, would it be able to match fossil?
In this class a outlander phev 2020 should be a better choice. 12l/100km is what he consume towing a 2m hight boxy trailer 700 km pass through France in cold December. And you can drive about 35 to 60km in ev only.
Yo Bjorn please can you do the Lexus NX450h+ PHEV for the 1000km challenge. I keen to know how the 18Kwh battery 🪫 EVwill do if you charge and use the Fossil hybrid engine.
Refueling stop for only 1000 km? My Dacia Lodgy has only 50 l Diesel tank and my record is 1396 km (Yes, this was an extreme low consumption test from Salzburg to Bucharest with 3.33 l/100 km). This is a consumption like my 1988 Renault Espace.
@@HanYou2 Well in the 1000km test it can beat the ICE car, since that is already maxed out. In a 1600km test, sure its theoretically possible. We shall see if such a thing ever come to pass.
A good actual use for them would be as a generator for your house safe and reliable. With net metering and these electricity prices you actually make money. Move back to rural areas people.
This would have been an interesting car 10 years ago. Now it is a bit too late. Still the idea of having an ICE generator going on hopefully optimal efficiency while propulsion is needed is much better than regular ICE with some gearbox attached. My problem is that it is an SUV with huge wheels and high CdA. If automotive industry haven't killed the normal sedan and station wagon this could have been an interesting proposition 10 years ago. Now the ship has sailed.....
E-power is less efficient than Toyota hybrid parallel hybrid. It is stupid to lose energy from ICE in all generator + inverter+ motor since it pretty much matches loses in transmission. In addition chosen 1.5l engine doesn't seem very efficient. On a plus side, regenerative breaking is powerful thanks to 140kW motor. But 2kWh battery will not absorb much. I am guessing it is a good city car, but terrible 1000km challenge car from the consumption point of view.
Thanks for review, I was thinking to buy this car but now I don't see the reason to change my Eclipse Cross 4WD 1,5T to hybrid because it eats the same 10,5-10,7 on the winter time and on the summer 9,1-9,5L per 100km
Seeing Bjorn fill up a car with fossill juice is like watching Santa stealing presents from under the tree.
Good reference point, in reality very few people drive like this (but a lot claims to do so). I got asked a lot about my charing time by fossil drivers already being parked, I tell them its about 20-30 min they say oh that is slow... and when I leave 25 min later they are still there... Like you said everything under 10h is perfectly viable for 99%.
There's a small refuelling station not far from a friend's house which have very compelling prices.
Long story short, more often than not this refuelling station is crawling with people waiting in line to refill their car, and they can wait more than 20 minutes to do so - I know because I did a couple of time to save some money (and a lot of time I've found it to be out of petrol/gasoline). If time was so important as a lot of people claim, the other refuelling station located 30 seconds away on the same road wouldn't be completely empty when there's a line there just to save 3€ for a refill.
So I think a 10-15 minutes charging session is absolutely okay for the majority of people, but they fail to realise so.
I think more important than the time saved with ice cars is just the freedom and possibility to do so. With EVs you're stuck at a certain stop until you have enough juice to reach the next one, with ice you can spend an hour at the gas station but that's by choice not need. You can also stop at whatever restaurant or rest stop without having to worry if there's a charging station around. People just like options.
It’s funny how when it comes to comparing to EVs, every fossil car driver suddenly turns into absolute robots that doesn’t need any resting on long trips
@@cristianmanfredini I've just done 350 miles today, 6 hours 40 mins. Three charges, 12 mins, 11 mins, 7 mins. 30 mins charge (loo opportunities) in that overall journey didn't seem to be an issue for us.
@@azureactivedirectory Yes, in the UK, an EV isn't possibly viable until they can do the standard daily commute which is from Land's End to John O'Groats, some 800 miles or so. This needs to be done both ways, non stop, towing a caravan, in under 20 hours and it's uphill both ways.
It's very funny how surprised he is when he opens the door for 28254th time and still comments what he sees inside, like for a 1st time 😂
Nice flat charging curve from that pump 😀
Björn, this channel deserves all the love in the world. Such a comprehensive collection of information is invaluable. I often enjoy just watching your videos, best mix of entertainment and information 🙂
08:10 one of the rarest things that could be seen in the world: Bjorn refueling a fossil car 😂😂😂
Such dedication. Driving 1000kms is crazy. I would not drive that much every week
I rented a polestar2 to drive from Adelaide to Sydney for Fully Charged Live. It is a 1400 km drive, and I took the inland route across the Hay plain using NRMA 50 kw and Evie 350 kw public fast chargers. I had no problems with the chargers, and the lowest I got was 13% with 70 km range remaining. It took exactly 24 hours in each direction stopping only to recharge and food and toilet breaks, mind you I was fairly tired when I reached my destination, but not dangerously so, due to naps when recharging. Goes to show, even in Australia you can drive long distances in an electric vehicle, as long as you plan your route. Cheers Bjorn.
Hey Bjørn. I own this car and had exactly the same issue. Gas consumption was much to high. After i complained that to Nissan i got some software Updates that reduced the fuel consumption for 120 km/h to about 7.9 Liters. I guess they had a software issue with the first charge of cars.
Very interesting! If generally repeatable, I think such an improvement would change the game for many. For me it would.
will do 1300km tomorrow from Germany to France and back the next day, again 1300km, in a Model 3. So yes, long drives through the EU are quite common for us. But easy using the SuC network. Theres a SuC, hotel and big supermarket at the destination, perfect.
My daily drive is a 2013 Holden (Chevy) Volt which I bought for one third of the new price, it uses 4.5 to 5.5 litres per 100km in hybrid ice mode, but I do over 90% of my driving on fully electric. I charge it off my solar panels and powerwall 2 for free, and it has a lifetime average consumption of 1.7 litres per 100 km in 147,000 km. I live in South Australia so lots of sunshine most of the year.
Works for me!
I concur.. I have driven the Malmö-Oslo return trip a few times for work. Best run I did was with two drivers, so rest breaks were short, although we did stop for lunch, was 6hrs each way (for context, Helsingborg is approx 45mins North of Malmö). Made it there and back on one tank using a 2011 BMW 318d. So fuelling was not the issue.. the traffic and organic thing behind the wheel was 😜
Before 3 years I had Opel Ampera 2012 ( Chevy Volt) with this system (generator) , but with 16KWH battery (10kwh) usable and 50-70km full electric range....So this Nissan with 2.1Kwh battery is strange:))
it's normal for hybrid, it's probably not li on battery
The problem is the 2 kWh battery, it is not sufficient. The motor will be engaged much more frequently and at high power (higher rpm with less efficiency).
the 2.1kWh is just to pass certain regulations around the minium distance hybrids need to be able to drive on the electric motor only. before those laws you could buy a porsche "electric" that could not drive out of the parking spot without using the fossil engine.
@@antoniocirino8444, it's sufficient for city stop and go traffic, which is its purpose.
You are comparing plug-in hybrid with normal hybrid. There would be no sense in having 10kWh battery in a non-plug-in hybrid
Same consumption and range on T31 2.5L petrol 2008. Epower nice for city, not for long rides. Norway roads are owesome.
Great job Bjørn setting a new speed standard for 1000 km challenge. I would not drive like this, so thanks for sacrificing yourself for science to get this result. I would take at least the 9:00 hours you did in the Kia Creed PHEV doing 1000 km in real life. Probably 10:00 or even 11:00 if traveling with my wife. 😂. I am glad you took a rest break as that was the smart thing to do. No need to literally sacrifice yourself or others to get a good scientific test.
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Our Skoda Kodiaq with the 2L 132kw 320nm with 7spd DSG averages 7.3-7.6 on long journeys with the climate control set at 21 degrees C, and runs on 95 fuel in the Australian hot summer where it can be 38-44C outside. Cannot believe why the fuel consumption is just so ridiculously so high! Though that this idea would have been a great compromise, but obviously it doesn’t work in the real world. Thanks for another great informative video Bjorn. I’d suggest a Skoda Kodiaq as another option for an ICE vehicle test. 👌👍
Nissans HATE to be cold during driving.
My 2020 Nissan Sentra (US gas only model) went from getting 40-50 MPG at 70 mph during summer to around 30 in winter
Don't compare that to steady long range run with 110-120 km/h. But to be honest, consumption in my Mazda CX-5 2.0 AT AWD is around 8-8,5l/100km with avg speed. 120 km/h and 9-9,5l/100km with avg. 140 km/h
My last ICE was an Audi A6 with small Diesel engine. On long trips I was able to go 1100km with one tank (62L). But not with the speeds driven on this video.
GM with the "voltec" system in the Ampera/Volt has a ICE to wheels connection for MOTORWAYS driving to improve efficacy as the series hybrid is NOT efficient at constant high load cycles
Not really ridiculous for the body type and engine. Its got a lot of aerodynamic drag. Your Kodiaq comparison isnt apples to apples, simply put.
touches the fuel cap, sniffs his fingers.....ah shit 😂😂😂
so cool i wondered if you was gonna run a reference test every year to keep shit updated and here it is nice
why if the route / road conditions don't change could see redoing the "older" EV tests as charging networks have FAR improved
Still think the 2016-2019 Chevrolet Volt concept is the best of all for PHEV's, especially the 2019 which had the 7.2kw charging speed. Excellent performance and exceptional fuel economy. This Nissan though is quite interesting and if you drive at slower speeds, it could probably pull off some outstanding numbers. Those conditions were pretty dreadful when you look at the chart. The top performers all had ideal conditions. Test this Nissan out in the summer and I think an easy 30-45 minutes could be deducted. The drag in that weather Bjorn drove through was probably very high for a vehicle that isn't shaped to cheat the wind well. Nice video Bjorn as always
I second your comment about the Chevy Volt. I owned two of them and really enjoyed my time with both. The only things needed to make them perfect was a heated steering wheel and 7.2 kW charger. The 2019 had both, but instead of buying a third Volt I bought a 2018 Tesla Model 3 instead. That was a much bigger upgrade than a 2019 Volt would have been.
I may possibly not be the first to mention it, but this technology (excluding the battery) goes back to Ferdinand Porche (yes, him), who designed several heavy tanks in early 1940's using ICE engines powering a generator to drive electric motors. It avoided many transmission issues, which were weak points at the time. The main reason development didn't proceed on the electric Tiger(P) was that the limited supply of copper for the motors was better used elsewhere (U-boat motors, other electriical cabling, etc.).
I have a turbo diesel passat and holiday home 950 km away in south of France (starting point Luxembourg). Trip usually lasts 8,5 hours if no traffic jam driving at a steady 135 km/h to avoid (too expensive) speeding tickets. At this speed consumption is 5,8l/km depending on wind and temp. No need for refueling stop at all. Tank is 65 liters. We do this trip very often and do mind the possibility to do it in short period of time. We see the electric cars that would replace those efficient machines (vw passat) in no less than 5-10 years from now.
Obviously you don't waste any thought on the environment. Burning 10-20 tons of precious fossil fuel irretrievably in a car's lifetime is of course much smarter than being able to recycle over 95% of a 500 kg battery.
Are you driving for almost 9 hours without a stop? Really? Isn´t it dangerous for you and for the others drivers on the road?
@@emil10139 we do stop around twice for a quick coffee but no more than 5-10 minutes as we drink the coffee while driving.
@@ursfurer1145 I note that climate change sort of reduces my heating bills and reduces the need to go far south to find mild climate.
@@ursfurer1145 Welcome to the real world. I am quite sure the average nothern european that owns an EV consumes a lot more resources and uses more fuel than the ones with ICE cars. Ever heard of flying to a holiday destination? Let the one without sin throw the first stone...
"Stone age driving", you made me laugh out loud Bjorn 🤣
hi the e-power note uses vacuum boosted brakes so the engine runs whenever you use the brakes or the forward collision thinks that you might want to use the brakes and turning off the ventilation system results in much better fuel economy because it runs the motor un-necessarily just to get heat even if it is set for cooling and the form i got with the car stated 2.9L/100km and the best i could achieve was 4L/100km on car display
Interesting how the dashboard screens of the X-trail are just like the Ariya. Center screen looks exactly the same and only small differences in the instrument screen behind the steering wheel.
Yeah, I mean in energy a normal fuel pump would convert to a 21600kW charger.... 56l = 560 kWh "charges" in 1,5 minutes :D As reference if a ev would have a 100 kWh battery bank and we would assume the charging would be done from 0-100 SoC it would require 4 mW charging without a performance drop.
For me it's confusing, that you need to hold the gas pump while refueling. As Bjorn mentioned that in the past I wondered: What the heck is he talking about?
In Germany you can "lock" it and it stops automatically which is much more convinient. I always believed that this would be the case in any country as well until that time.
The PHEV test with depleted HV battery will be exciting. Looking forward to that.
Totally agree. A parallel hybrid should be much more efficient at high speeds.
Ouch yeah 😅
"Cut out that vegan shit and burn dinosaur juice." hahaha Bjorn is the absolute best. 1:35
Personally, I own the hybrid Camry '21. On normal roads, my average fuel consumption is 4.2 liters per 100 kilometers. On the highway at 120 km/h, it takes around 5.4 liters per 100 kilometers. I would be interested in seeing a test of this vehicle by you and your comment
4.2 L per 100 Km = 56 U.S. mpg / 67 UK mpg
My Honda Clarity has the same efficiency as well even with my bikes on the back.
@Bjørn Nyland
Also something to mention, fuel cost for this 1000km challenge was around 2200-2400 NOK (if fuel prices is 20-22NOK):
In my Kia E-Niro I have a consumption on about 15kwh/100km (in winter, 11 in summer), and I pay 2,5NOK pr KWH at Ionity, that is 375NOK in fuel costs, around 285NOK if my car is charged up at home before departure!!
On other chargers you can charge for around 5 NOK/kwh (Tesla, E-on), that would be 750 NOK (still 1/3rd of the price of fossil), and if topped up at home before departure 510NOK.
That is indeed an insane difference!
1$ is about 10NOK.
No surprises here. A diesel SUV with a large tank is going to out leg just about anything. Love your content Bjorn. Utterly fantastic, the benchmark.
This is no diesel.
@@latlak Green pump handles in the US mean diesel - Im sort of better now I thought this was a model we couldn't get in the US.
@@Davegvg3576 ahh got you, it's so weird that every country has different nossles, payment methods whatsoever. Here at my place for example we can always lock the nossle so you don't have to hold it. But we usually pay inside the shop. :D
I Norway, green is gasoline and black handle is diesel. Also, you can't lock the nozzle because of safety.
Never thought of that segment of the population that wants to wreck the environment, but really enjoys ev driving dynamics. Now they have the best of both worlds!
@Wooly Chewbakker local air pollution is a big problem in cities tho
@Wooly Chewbakker people replace their cars anyway so it's the easiest 10% to remove. Easier than getting people to eat less beef.
@Wooly Chewbakker cars get replaced because they rust or they aren't worth repairing. They're already replaced on a cycle so replacing them all again is normal. The majority of cars in the UK are less than 20 years old.
@Wooly Chewbakker I think I've lost your original point. Removing ICE from the road by e.g. 2070 and knocking co2 emissions down overall by 10% with minimal strife sounds like a win. Could be better with greener batteries or an earlier end but still a win.
@Wooly Chewbakker did you see pictures of Los Angeles after the first month or two after the pandemic lockdown? Smog free skies. I don’t have time to validate your 10% claim, but I know I don’t want to breathe smog. And indefinitely burning fossil fuels is ridiculous.
My 2010 Ford Fusion Hybrid would do over 700 miles on a tank (17.5 US gallons). That was about as far as I would want to drive in a day. My current 2018 Ford Fusion with the EcoBoost engine gets close to 600 miles on a tank (16.5 US gallons). Thing is, I cannot drive that long without a stop. I just did a road trip, and the fastest pit stop at a rest area on the Interstate was 15 minutes from exit to back in the car and moving. Having done a road trip in an EV and tracking the time I took for normal stops on this last trip, the real difference between them is very small. You still need more planning for the EV road trip, but this is not that different than the 70s and 80s when there were not the number of gas stations, and they were not all open 24 hours.
I'm really surprised that the consumption was that high. For a serial hybrid I expected that it would be more efficcient, but probably small combustion engines can't made efficcient at all.
I have e-power but newer drive in STANDARD mode bec no regen to the battery. Use ECO och at least use B-mode for high way.
Great test, Bjorn. Thank you! One question: You drove 1000 km both in this X-Trail and Ariya. Which of the two cars was more comfort to drive this large distance?
I did a 500km round trip drive with my 2022.5 Volvo XC90 during the winter at on average -7C and mostly highway driving at speeds of about 120kmh for the main motorway and then lower in lower speed zones from time to time. I started with the battery fully charged (as would be expected) my fuel economy was 9.04 Liter/100km.
When the battery was empty and the motor was running, I set the mode to charge the battery via engine and then when the battery was as full as the engine would charge, I would switch back to the battery.
I had done a similar run before but without using the engine charge the battery and got slightly worse fuel economy (9.80 Liter/100km)
Absolutely as expected, aerodynamic drag of SUV bodies is the killer here.
You probably should try something like a Diesel Skoda Octavia. That is very very efficient. It may be able to demonstrate how useless are Hybrid car, especially for long trips. Now EV can deal with almost every need. And the complexity of the drive train is going to be a mess for maintenance.
Yeah I get 0.5l consumtion doing 100 kmh, and thats with studded tires
This is not a typical hybrid. I agree this hybrid tech is usless, but if you look at toyota hybrid cars compared to this one for example. They use around half of this cars consumption.
For long trips a diesel will return very good consumption numbers. City driving is something else though. My 2010 Prius blows anything else of comparable size out of the water. No turbocharger, no direct injection, no diesel injectors that are difficult to replace. Simple petrol, port injection and a bit of electricity.
@@oddhv7688 They dont, not even close. Maybe 10% better, if that. You are comparing to a lower average speed or other body type for sure for the Toyota if its "half".
A hybrid car's co2 emission is far less than a diesel car at least half of it.
I know this is outside your niche, but I would be interested in seeing how a massive German diesel luxobarge (like the 3 liter 7-series) would do in this test. There are some videos on youtube suggesting extreme highway driving range. I have to admit it probably would`t be useful as a base, but it would be fun. This Nissan reported a range at start of under 700km, and that is not exactly state of the art.
That would just do it on one tank and at average speed without traffic 😂
About 6l/100km and no need to stop at all for the cars sake.
75L tank with 6L/100km fuel consumption - no challenge at all.
Bjorn the machine !
I was interested in the x-Trail e-power concept, same car as upcoming Outlander, did a great test drive in Quashkai last year, but then I found out I cannot preheat and precool the car like any other electric Nissan by App or timer so I dumped it. Maybe 2024 version can do?
Bjorn, next time use the hook in the gas pistol which saves you another 3+3 minutes.
22:29 my guess is that Lucid Air could almost match this result with good weather conditions. Theoretically you can do 1000 km challenge with 1/2 stop only, since you have a probably 650/700 km of range at 120 kph with Lucid air.
Lucid is not efficient in winter...
And Lucid is currently firing staff, so we best wait about praising them for now. I hope they don't follow SONO and that other super efficient car, that went under.
@@w0nd3rlu573r company issues aside, the lucid air is an existing car, not a prototype. So, at least, bjorn should have the chance to test it, independently from its commercial results.
@@DG-uv3zw the only test I saw was made by an insideevs journalist at about 20° and showed 800 km real range at 112 km/h cruise speed, which is mind-blowing. I don't know if there are any reliable winter tests on YT. What we need is an extensive test from Bjorn, that's for sure.
Good evening, congratulations for the video. I have the same car and don't know where the OBD II port is. Also with which application do you get the engine data
Consumption is as expected, its a fumction of the high aerodynamic drag of the body type at these speeds. Other similar cars with petrol engines wont be a lot better at all. 10 percent or so maybe. Only way to get down to maybe 6-7 l/100km in the best case or a bit more would be to use a diesel.
got 20 miles on mine now - driving like an old man round town Im getting 43MPG
Getting Nissan X-Trail e-Power e-4orce next week. I like torque and e-pedal driving, but I don't want EV any more - I am fed up with slow charging, long waiting, hour long ques on weekends or sometimes broken charging stations.
Obviously you don't waste any thought on the environment. Burning 10-20 tons of precious fossil fuel irretrievably in a car's lifetime is of course much smarter than being able to recycle over 95% of a 500 kg battery.
@@ursfurer1145 EV production and recycling is 1000X more toxic than fossil fuel! Educate yourself!
@@edgarsdzerins multiple citations required
No Bjorn! You have to redo the test with PURE DIESEL😂
Absolutely, still waiting for that one...
Hello, I enjoy watching your videos (big fan), I'm a taxi driver from Canada and drive Rav4 prime, I will assure you that the Rav4 Prime will do a much better around 8L/100Km (18kwh battery)
I would to point out that on this challenge you needed to have a break for over an hour and not during the Ev tests probably because when charging for 30 minutes a few times during the trip, you were resting a bit without realizing , so in my opinion the resting time for an hour and 20 minutes should not be deducted .
taxi driver in canada can buy rav4 prime🤨?
@@vipvip-tf9rw and much any car they want the Prius / Prius V is a very common car along with stuff like Nissan rogue and caravans
No, this test is for the machine, not the driver. Thats why the deductions should stand.
Maybe your rav4 can do 8l/100km at these speeds but thats on the edge of whats possible. Not sure it is with this driving profile.
It'll blow my mind if even a one person buys this thing in Norway.
There's currently a dozen of them for sale in the biggest online car sale website in my country, all used and still going for about +€45.000!
So I guess there's always some BIG SUCKAS out there somewhere!!...
Count the safety nap! One of the things I love about EV road trips is the forced rests, it stops you from doing dumb things late at night, and makes the journey a lot safer as a result.
Excellent test as always Bjørn, great to get an updated fossil reference, Nissan should put a 20kWh pack and an AC plug on this vehicle, they've done all the hard work of electrifying the drive train and making an efficient range extender generator, sell it with a bunch of battery options - or even upgrade-able ones!
No, I dont think he should because most people doing 1000km wouldnt do it after a long day. And its not necessary to take a nap after less than 9 hours driving for anyone really if you start rested.
Great job as always, Bjorn. I'm impressed by endurance, even if you had to sleep a little. Fun and science. You're the king. 🙂
I feel like this cars system is very ineffective. 1,1l/10km is really high consumption. A big shame really, because it seemed like a cool concept.
I think you are right about stopping atleast once. I used to do drives that was about 1050km and I would stop once half way just to top up fuel so it was not super low on arrival, stretch, visit a bathroom, get some food and coffe and then go again. Never really timed it but I suppose it was about 15-20min if there was no line to shop at the station.
Now that I have a family electric works great. It is perfect timing to stop every 300km or so.
Its higher than some similar cars, but not that much. Its the speed that does it. Wont get much better than other similar cars at the same speed.
Depends on the situation for stops, I am sure its correct for most people. Myself, I do 1500km with only one fuel stop for 2 minutes, but thats an outlier for sure.
@@GoldenCroc Thats true, it is a petrol after all. Im more used to diesel that can do that trip at around 0,7 for a smillar size car.
Yeah I think you are an outlier for sure. I did the 1050 drive in one go on some occasion but I did not find it worth it.
The consumption on these car is in the aeria of my old Chevrolet Caprice with a 5,7l V8 from 1989.
If we take the ES8/EQS/Model S 9 hours to be accurate, then I would expect a fossil car to be closer to 7:45. My experience suggests that it is roughly 1 hour of charging for every 6 hours of driving. So 7:45 should take approximately 1:20 to charge... so 9 hours total travel time. I think it's interesting to see that a fossil car would be 8:35. This basically says that there was ~45 minutes of time that a fossil driver may use while conducting a refueling stop (like getting food, using the bathroom, etc) and not even realize it.
I only mention this because everyone complains about how much time is added on road trips (which they never take lol) to charge a car, but it can be significantly closer than they would imagine, especially if you have charging at reasonable stops (like restaurants).
I keep gloves in my hybrid car for the smelly pumps hahah... Or if I haven't any gloves then I use the paper like clever Bjorn
Are you doing the mg4 in Norway anytime soon?
Series hybrids are awful for highway usage because they have to take the gasoline, burn it incredibly inefficiently in the ICE, use that to power a generator, rectify it and send it to the battery, then draw from the battery, run it through the inverter and use that to power the drive motors. Every form of energy conversion results in a loss. Using series hybrid makes some sense in a PHEV where you might be able to drive 30-40 miles in full electric mode because it typically leads to much better efficiency in electric mode, but it makes absolutely no sense in a hybrid with a micro-battery.
I'm was interested to see the real world efficiency of this car. I currently own a 2021 Rav4 hybrid and get around 6.0L/100km driving around our part of New Zealand which includes going over some big hill/mountain ranges at faster speeds so not sure if this e-Power solution would be any better. The interior looks nicer/more modern than the Rav4 but not sure it's worth the extra costs, at least here in NZ.
does rav4 have soft suspension? And RAV4 is cheap toyota, lexus, and venza have better interior, I'm thinking of buying latest RAV4
@@vipvip-tf9rw I find the Rav4's ride to be pretty good. It's not stiff by any means but we drive some pretty twisty roads in our part of NZ and the Rav4 does a good job of feeling composed. The interior is okay - it doesn't feel too cheap but it's not fancy, it gets the job done which is what we need.
Similar to this video, I have doubts about the reporting of rav4 stats. Have you ever checked against how much fuel you put in and compared it to distance reported on gps? It just doesnt make sense that a car with a horrible drag coefficient can somehow cheat laws of physics. toyota doesnt have any special breaking regen technology that would put them that far ahead.
@@etnelav I haven't done any tests to check if the fuel economy figure but I know since we've had the Rav4, we fill up way less compared to our other cars and our diving patterns are pretty consistent. I mean Toyota claims I should be getting 5.3L/100km and I've not hit that mark. I think 5.8L/100km is the lowest I got with just in town driving. Given the types of roads we drive and the distance covered, it doesn't seem like I'm being lied to. I know if we're just in town it sips fuel. I just think the Rav4 hybrid is pretty good at using the electric motors to deal with start/stop driving and assisting in general. I mean maybe it helps that this thing can't launch like an EV, so it's not wasting energy on performance and it's all about efficiency. I know that some other reviewers have for the Rav4 hybrid down to the low 5L/100km in urban driving (these were AUS and NZ reviewers - separate instances). I think you need to be really careful with your driving to hit that (which I am not).
Very nice, but the RAV4 wont get 6l/100km with the driving profile and fuel bjorn used. 9l at best maybe. Very maybe.
Wait?
You telling me, that they put an ICE, connected to a generator, which is an electric motor, which charge batteries, which provide power to another electric motor?
You'll have around 30% loss with that + added wieght.
It doesn't make any sense, unless this car was made by marketing people, not engineer.
Edit: OMG, it has a 1.5kWh battery. This is getting ridiculous...
ICE efficiency isn’t linear thus if you have non-CVT trans then ICE might operate in inefficient mode depending on RPM, so such engines have modified ECU map to work at the most efficient RPMs. But in general Toyota’s HSD makes more sense, but it’s patented.
Exactly 😂
@@enovozhilov Wait. Planetary gears are patented? FFS...
Thats why the consumption is so f** high. I have an 220xd gran tourer from bmw and travel on the autostrada in italy at 150kmh and having only 7.5l/100km.
This nissan is extrem inefficent
Seeing I'm getting rid of my EV (Hyundai Ioniq) for a petrol, due to spending my life at charge stations and the additional cost of food/coffee at each location and the weight I put on because of this, can I ask:
1) how much did it cost in fuel to do the 1000km test and how does that compare against an EV?
2) how much does the Xtrail cost and how would it compare against a similar costing EV?
38Kwh
The 38kwh ioniq is not a good ev, simply because they cut the charging speed in half compared to the 28kwh to put in a that bigger battery, the 28kwh charges 10-80% in around 17-18 minutes, so similar to the newer ioniq 5. It actually performs quite well on Bjørn’s 1000 km test.
Borrowed the Ioniq 5 when my car was in for further warranty work. It was better, but still only really delivered 200 miles on a full charge in winter. Mine delivers 115 miles in winter. Most of my journeys are around 240 miles, meaning two charges. Some trips are around 600 miles. This requires careful planning and the charging generally adds a further 4 hours to my day.
My experience of EV ownership was good initially (2 years ago), even with the lack of charge points, but now with the average cost per kW being 79p, the costs are now compatible with fossil fuel.
To give you an idea, I charged from 10% to 80% which the system stated gave me 125 miles (actual lower). It cost £19.71 and took 45 minites. We use our other car, a Hyundai Diesel 4x4, and drive 560 miles on holiday with a full car and roof box and it does it with £90 of diesel from empty, which took about 2-3 minutes to fill and only one stop. So, for not much more, I'm saving a lot of time, range anxiety, planning, panic about broken chargers (thank goodness for ZapMap), delays due to the damn cable not releasing from the car because the charger lost contact, less coffee / food purchases and reduced weight gain.
I'm still interested to see how it compares, but there is no point in comparing a £40000 Xtrail to £95000 Tesla.
I like how quiet and quick EVs are, but I'm concerned about how recyclable the battery is, how ethical the battery build is and what the longevity of the vehicle will be.
1) I counted from video it costed 1737,98 SEK ~ 153,81 EUR after 2 fill-ups but the total is missing last fill-up at the end.
2) In Finland the starting price for that X-Trail is 41 800 EUR
i'd say you don't have to eat on every break -but as i can put on weight when cycling across the alps, I'm not in a position to do so. Coffee is always good when driving through
If you push a big truck button on gas station than you can able refill gas almost 2 times faster. its like for suv and big cars with with big fuel capacity.
This car could be very nice with bigger battery ( 18-20kWh ) as a PHEV . Currently with high fuels consumption ( 3 people and some luggage -2'C 15L/100km ) it is pointels vehicle :)
Fossil cars don't have much higher consumption when it's cold. For a medium/large diesel SUV you can expect sub 0,7 liters per 10 km both in winter and in summer.
@logitech4873 well, sort of true. Normally you have lower consumption using winter tires and with a strong diesel engine the road conditions have very little impact
@@logitech4873 Winter tires normally give lower rolling resistance due to their smaller width and the rubber mixture.
@logitech4873 and the engine type have a substantial impact. It very much depends on then the engine is working effectively. You're expecting a linear behaviour, which is not the case.
@@logitech4873 "Many people believe that winter tires use more fuel than summer tires and therefore want to change to summer tires as early as possible in the spring.
- But there is no major difference in fuel consumption between summer and winter tyres. In fact, winter tires usually have lower rolling resistance than most summer tires, says Allan Ostrovskis, technical director at Nokian Tyres."
@@logitech4873 I use studded as well and for all cars that I have owned the consumption has been significantly lower.
Bjørn, I was missing the refueling speed curve! 😏
Hi, what is the price comparison? Driving fossil vs electric?
Really interesting, but the wrong car to test it in. This car is really good for city trips but not highway trips.
I am not saying you are quicker with a diesel because you are not, but the consumption is lower.
My 2016 Mercedes Avant C-Class 250 Diesel had a consumption of between 7.2 l/100 and 6.4 l/100. I had for a 1780km trip ca. 18h. with Kids and Wife. With my Tesla 3LR, I have 17 h. But i am more Relaxed driving. The downside is that at night, many of the Supercharger toilets are closed.
But EV for the Win.😊
I currently drive the same car (4Matic and 9G-Tronic). My 2016 740d had much better fuel economy in every situation, I don't think Mercedes are very efficient.
Trip durations look off to me. From personal experience, you can't beat the ICE time (18h) with a 3LR (17h).
@@sorinneatu4471 Sorry, you are right it is the other way arround. Witch my Mercedes I was +- 1h quicker.
Circle K has the slowest payment-system ever. And the annoying questions before you can start filling? Nope! Go to shell :) Much simpler. Also I think most gasoline pumps now can be locked just like the diesel nossles, so you don't have to hold them when filling! \o/
Hi Bjørn, did you use OBDLINK LX on x-trail e-power?
6:40 I mean, a consumption of 10l/100km is to be expected, no? That's effectively a SUV running on petrol. Probably a drag coefficient like a tank. Going 100 or 110 instead of 120+ , would help with consumption. Even without the whole battery and e-motor thingy in between you'd have the same consumption.
My worst single tank in my IONIQ Plug-in was 9.66 l/100km, and that was at sustained 120 km/h, outside temp around 5°C, with a passenger, our snowboarding gear, and two 29" mountain bikes on the roof. This X-Trail result blew me away...
Yeah, an Hybrid car like this one combines the worst of both worlds. Bad efficiency in the elctric drivetrain, high maintenance and fuel costs, loud engine and so on. You don't really save fule, except maybe in city driving.
@@kruemelfelix I got my plug-in for my commute, where it has saved me huge coin. I didn't go full EV back then because we didn't have the charging infrastructure for me to get to my snowboarding hills and back. Fortunately that's changed now, and my next car will be a full EV. (We just replaced my wife's Santa Fe XL with a Model Y in fact.)
@@KevinT3141 For commuting small distances Hybrids were a good compromise before full-EVs were suitable in some regions. They aren't that bad in cities.
Now it's different but I can totally understand your decision at that time.
Model Y is a great choice, have fun with it! And also don't hessitate participating in local Tesla meetups or your local Tesla forum ;)
I think that is expected as it is 4WD car and that is typical consumption for those kind of cars.
Seems like a good plan to test at least one more really good ICE diesel to see what is truly the very best an ICE can achieve. And I again put in a word for my favoured choice - the Ford Focus. I think maybe the most economical variant might be the 1.5 TDCi 105 ECOnetic. And like a very few other diesels, it might just manage 1,000 km on a single tank.
(I've read other comments here speaking for a BMW 5 Series, or a Hyundai Ionic ICE. I wonder which of these is the best. But I think they'd both be better than a Volvo XC40, which I suspect will be a bit of a grass guzzler by comparison.)
IMHO LONG range would be the "key" to get to ONE / ZERO stops but at that point we are reaching average speed over distance and Google maps can give you that
Best ICE can do max theoretical speed (as in, the speed limit) in a 1000km test so no need to test it really, since its impossible to legally go faster.
Quite a lot of diesel cars can do 1000km in a single tank, almost every non suv car that is a bit larger and got a 4 cylinder engine should manage it at these speeds. Passat, BMW 5 series, Merc E class etc.
The theoretical max would just be 8 hours, 20 minutes travelling 1000km at a constant 120km/h
11 litres, gosh, that is the equivalent of more than 110kWh. I always do this calculation in order to have an image of the energy consumption.
What a great video, thank you for sharing ~
Would love if you could redo that reference test with a C220D or a BMW 320D or a Passat or Skoda Octavia with a 2.0L Diesel Engine.
What's that going to change? Remove maybe 5-10mins? Because the actual driving time is not going to change...
please, no more Diesel on the planet
@@jadziadax8658 Yep, they can do max allowed speed for entire stretch, no stops.
@@GoldenCroc Yeah, but it's quite irrelevant for this test.
@@jadziadax8658 Not sure I get what you mean? Irrelevant how? If you look at other comments, there are lot of them that dont seem to understand there is a theoretical max speed that can be achieved if the legal speed limits are to be followed.
Since no stops are needed with quite a few ICE cars, they are all equal. Maxed out. As I said, lots of people dont seem to get that. Perhaps you meant something else?
is this also the base of the brandnew Outlander PHEV? I think the Outlander is even more an „EV“ than the Nissan, e. g. it has a DC fast charger port and a 20 kWh battery, so pretty interesting to see how the Nissan is performing here - thank you for the video in advance - as soon as the new Outlander PHEV will arrive in Europe I will test drive one - OK, I recently switched to a brandnew Tesla MY LR, but I‘m still a huge fan of the Outlander PHEV :-) But to be honest, driving 100‘s of km on a highway is not an area a PHEV will perform well…
Quite a good result, but I think you could do even better. My diesel BMW 5 series gets 6.3 L/100km consumption and 1100km from a single tank. Do you think this challenge could be done on a single tank and without stopping? Love the channel man, I wish we had the same charging infrastructure as Norway!
Good luck driving 1000 km without making any brakes!
We should not encourage anyone to do even 500 km without break, fatigue causes so much accidents.
@GreenDriveIndia he can take a break but it wouldn't count towards the total time as he did in this run so he would save maybe like around 10 minutes which he took in both fueling stops.
@@GreenDriveIndia Yeah, 500km seems to be a good limit for driving non-stop (that's about 4 hours of driving at 120km/h), and that's why I say that once EVs can do ~500km at 120Km/h, during winter... it's pretty much game over for the argument that EVs suck for long road trips...
There are currently EVs already capable of doing about 480km during winter, but at just 90km/h average speed...
This test is like comparing the most efficient EV vs one of the least efficient ICE. I'm all for EVs but we have to be real ICE does longer journeys a lot quicker.
the ICE was average for RANGE and required 1 1/2 pit stops so on point for a "ICE" basepoint
ICE does longer journeys a lot quicker, but they really need to be long journeys, +1000km, but that also requires more than one driver too!
As an American I'm like, oh 1,136 Kr for 57 L. 15 gallons, ok. $109 for 15 gallons?!??! sheeee.
Yep, if you get to drive in Europe for a rather lengthy period of time, you'll quickly lose appetite for all those V8 SUVs and pick-up trucks you people drive there...
maybe try the old ioniq as a reference. Next to an ev we have a hybrid ioniq. Things only sips 5.5L when driving fully loaded with 3 people and bunch of crap to our holiday in southern europe 135km/h on cruise controle. It wont make 1000km on its tiny 45liter tank though
The fuel consumption is crazy high.
5:45 typical fossil car range anxiety LOL
Could you possibly do a "normalized" chart? In terms of efficiency of the spent energy by the hour or similar?
I would say the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV is a better option than this car. The Outlander have a direct connection to the front wheels, and to eletric motors.
Outlander have the same battery as Citroën C-Zero, but likely LiFePO4 would have been a better option, due to some have had problems with the battery..
In the forums, people have complained that it can be a problem and prevent the engine to start to heat the battery (it has a 5kW eletric water heater).
Recently did motorway route in my father in law's Outlander PHEV - 10l/100 km, started with almost empty tank so I had to fuel up twice on the 400 km route - the fuel tank is tiny due to the battery. My father in law uses it 90% within or little above the battery range and he has PV so it makes sense, but compared to my diesel S-Max which dues 5,9l/100 km on motorway and covers 1200 km it really sucked. The best of two worlds 😂
Well the equivalent to one liter diesel is 11 kWh, that's means you car used almost 65 kWh on a hundert Kilometers, three times more than an EV. That means the Ev needs only two liter of diesel for 100km, your S-Max can't beat that. I also previously owned an Ford S-MAX diesel, but on the Highway it was more like 7.5 liters, 5.9 l/100km would be a dream.
The point is not what you can do when you can but what you can do when you must. An ICE car can do this challange in any weather, any temperature...essentially any distance and the range is almost always the same any most important of all. You know it. You dont have to make a plan A, B and C. EV's are great for commuting or take a ride of you choosing when you can.
Incorrect assumption. The range is *not* almost always the same. The range can vary as much as 20 %. Probably even more since I haven't tested in summer yet. Watch and learn:
ruclips.net/video/04NmFTr4mZ8/видео.html
That fuel consumption is so bad. Could you try a modern diesel on one of these tests? One that can easily do 1000km on a tank of fuel with a higher average speed than that? I think that would then be a realistic benchmark to set for EVs to get close to.
What car do you have in mind? 🤔
@@davidz1264 Skoda Octavia, BMW 320D, Mercedes C220D for example all easy do 1000+km with 1 tank at 120kmh
@@tommesob5099 Thanks. I have no more clue about fossil cars, but it would be nice to know, what time the BEV have to catch to be equal to fossils (in terms of time/km). Not that it is necessary to be equal, but it's nice to know 😎
Seeing you talking about EV and fossil comparison for 1000km, would you think if you driving an long range ev (400kms and above) and then "snack" on electrons at every charging stations you can find along the route for like 5 mins, would it be able to match fossil?
In summer my ioniq can do 83mpg which is 3.4l/100km with 45l tank at 100kmh
To be fair 100kmh is a very efficient speed, a diesel can easily match your result, and better whatever you get at 120kmh.
@@SwiftHDX it may do but those diesel particles aint gonna do anyone any good.
A 28kWh Ioniq gets around 1.3 l/100km or 180 mpg converted at 100 kph. Just saying 😂
Pls try the Honda eHev at some point for technology comparison with Nissan ePower
In this class a outlander phev 2020 should be a better choice.
12l/100km is what he consume towing a 2m hight boxy trailer 700 km pass through France in cold December.
And you can drive about 35 to 60km in ev only.
Yo Bjorn please can you do the Lexus NX450h+ PHEV for the 1000km challenge. I keen to know how the 18Kwh battery 🪫 EVwill do if you charge and use the Fossil hybrid engine.
Refueling stop for only 1000 km? My Dacia Lodgy has only 50 l Diesel tank and my record is 1396 km (Yes, this was an extreme low consumption test from Salzburg to Bucharest with 3.33 l/100 km). This is a consumption like my 1988 Renault Espace.
I think the first ev to beat fossil will be 1000miles version aptera. Can't wait for that one
Can it really do 1600 km without a charge at these speeds? Because that would be the only way, ICE already does max allowed speed for 1000km.
@@logitech4873 i just mean the 1000km challenge
@@GoldenCroc it can on paper, we'll see
@@HanYou2 Well in the 1000km test it can beat the ICE car, since that is already maxed out. In a 1600km test, sure its theoretically possible. We shall see if such a thing ever come to pass.
A good actual use for them would be as a generator for your house safe and reliable. With net metering and these electricity prices you actually make money.
Move back to rural areas people.
Fuel consumption meters on fossil cars often are wildly inaccurate and under-report consumption.
This would have been an interesting car 10 years ago. Now it is a bit too late.
Still the idea of having an ICE generator going on hopefully optimal efficiency while propulsion is needed is much better than regular ICE with some gearbox attached.
My problem is that it is an SUV with huge wheels and high CdA. If automotive industry haven't killed the normal sedan and station wagon this could have been an interesting proposition 10 years ago. Now the ship has sailed.....
E-power is less efficient than Toyota hybrid parallel hybrid. It is stupid to lose energy from ICE in all generator + inverter+ motor since it pretty much matches loses in transmission. In addition chosen 1.5l engine doesn't seem very efficient. On a plus side, regenerative breaking is powerful thanks to 140kW motor. But 2kWh battery will not absorb much. I am guessing it is a good city car, but terrible 1000km challenge car from the consumption point of view.
Thanks for review, I was thinking to buy this car but now I don't see the reason to change my Eclipse Cross 4WD 1,5T to hybrid because it eats the same 10,5-10,7 on the winter time and on the summer 9,1-9,5L per 100km
Price per kilometer! That what i want to know
Fastest charge, 3 min. from 0 to 100 percent, world record. No electric vehicle will beat this at least till 2040