Chinese Hit & Miss Gas Model Engine
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Cool little engine my wife’s Grandfather was a Steam Engineer and when he retired he used to make wooden toys and fit similar sized engines in them ! After his passing we we had them passed on to us my personal favorite was a tugboat with a steam engine that ran off canned Map gas firing a hand built boiler he made out of copper he was a brilliant Craftsman and even volunteered to run the Wood shop at his retirement community where they built many whirlybird Lawn ornaments that they displayed through out the community i was also fortunate to have a good relationship with the man and inherited some of his tools that i still treasure to this day
Very nice !! Cool engine. Are you still using the canon camera ?
Yes, but for some reason it kept loosing focus sometimes when the engine fired...
Lol
hit or miss, i guess they never miss.
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Needs the springs on governor tweaking to bring the speed down.
Yeah, thats what i was thinking as well. As long as it's "just" for entertainment, it should be spinning a LOT slower.
Also bigger flywheels?
More rotating mass would make it more RPM stable, which probably would be useful if not necessary, for lower RPM operation.
Weaker springs
Same spring, just stretch it a little.
You should build your own engine from scratch!
Wells Bishop: not everybody can do that!
Alright will do and you should take care of sales and services 😉
@@stranraerwal not everyone but what about him?
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He did a long time ago if you check his video
*Engine stars*
I guess they never miss huh?
Lol I thought that too
Nice, it runs much better with some load applied. A follow up video of it running something would be cool. 👍😊
I agree
Well it's not meant to run perfectly smooth like a traditional 4 cycle engine, the weight of the flywheels are supposed to keep the engine turning and when it begins to slow down the engine will fire again to keep the flywheel speed up.
that's why it is called a hit and miss. it only fires when it needs to. no load, no fire, heavy load, fires every TDC combustion.
Seems to be bouncing off the mechanical rev limiter
that's how they work. i've had a couple in the past. i repaired them, and sold them. but they were the full sized engines. this one has a design i haven't seen before. i wonder what engine they copied, or if they designed it in china?
He's gonna get a steam engine, and he won't miss ya
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Sweet!
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That thing is adorable. I don't think i've ever seen a model hit&miss engine, just the real thing. Running it at high-rpm sounds totally different than one the full size runs like.
You could also use
Gas
Gasoline
Petrol
Random word for gasoline #4
i caught that too lol
what about ether or grain alcohol?
Isopropyl alcohol?
I think in Spanish speaking countries they call it Esso.
in Turkish=Benzin, in the UK=Petrol :) I belive Gas/Gasoline USA & Canada
juan gonzalez you should just shut the fuck up
I like the little hit miss engine I have something similar to it I bought years ago I still have it and I enjoy it thank you for sharing that with me
That engine runs way too fast, you can hear the governor slapping and the governor is being very random. Might need some adjusting.
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Its a hit and miss...
i was wondering why it was running so rough
Is that centrifugal switch modulating the fuel or something?
Under load it runs like it's supposed to but there's gotta be a carb adjust
Such a cool little engine. As mentioned, it might be nice if you modded the springs to make it run a bit slower. And you're a machinist/fabricator; make up a pulley and belt drive a little hobby electric motor and make it generate some juice to light a light bulb. (Could recharge it's own ignition batt. too...) Being that it runs at a constant speed more or less, it's ideal for a generator app. Thanks.
This shit never gets old dude! I love your content
It looks as if the pushrod starts bouncing off the cam and then the engine floods and stalls until the pushrod settles back down. super fascinating! every one in the comment section is saying turn the governor down but i think it would be interesting to see what a stronger spring on the pushrod/rocker arm would do.
Thanks JohnnyQ90, really love your videos. It seems to run much better wit some loading so just wondering if you attached a belt driven motor as a generator then could you generate enough electricity to power the engine once it's started?
I think it can because it can light a 10w incandescent bulb with ease ;)
please do the video
The electrical black box looked to be a coil. Could a 12 volt DC car coil work as well? Run a car alternatore from the engine to charge some NiKD batteries to run the black box or coil for the spark plug for the engine. The alternatore could also charge a car battery or 1865 NiKD battery bank and power a inverter to produce 120 volts AC, and power some house hold appliances.
Alternator.
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Kinda amazing they even thought to make one of those a kit. Very nice.
Can you adjust the RPM? It is way to fast for a hit and miss.
Captain Howdy look up a mathematical equation for how fast an engine needs to operate to counteract it's displacement
Captain Howdy I agree
_Milo he doesnt heven need to do that, he just needs to spin the flywheels slower
Fred Hawksworth spinning the flywheels doesn't change the speed the engine will idle to. See the spring on the side of the flywheels? That's the governer. That is what determines engine speed
Yes, I used softer governor springs on mine. I was able to reduce to RPM down to 350 reliably.
Your band saw blade is completely tuned improperly. It drifted back almost half an inch! That is crazy!
Zippo fluid is just naptha but marked up. It's cheaper to just buy it in the paint thinner section.
Coleman fuel is the same too, but in my area it's even cheaper than naptha. Coleman fuel is $15/gallon and naptha is $20/gallon
I'm pretty sure you could use gasoline in a zippo... And it's only like $4-6$ per gallon... I'm in Canada it's about $1.20 per litre here
Around 4 litres in a gallon
Jacob Hepworth depends on country eg, tariffs import duty etc.
Yuck Foutube Don't try gasoline in a Zippo, I have and it creates so much smoke and soot.
It only operated realistically with your finger on it. That is pretty cool. I have always wanted a full size one but they rarely come up for sale.
EPA be like: you need a catalyst for this engine
This must be a joke that I don't get. The EPA is not the regulatory body that oversees tiny, little, engine emissions. And I think you were thinking of a catalytic converter that the state DMV would make you aquire.
A Catalyst is a substance Catalyst, in chemistry, any substance that increases the rate of a reaction without itself being consumed. Enzymes are naturally occurring catalysts responsible for many essential biochemical reactions.
China never cease to amaze me at the stuff they churn out, this engine is totally awesome.
Yeah they're real good at copying American Technology and selling it without permission from the patent holder
@@claybornlewis276 except their isn't a patent holder. also the patent would have expired 100+ years ago
because its about a thousand times less heavy than an actual hit and miss engine, the flywheels dont have the inertia to keep chugging like the 100 year old 50hp engines
Now you can use it to power a miniature ice cream maker, and bring back memories of the county fair.
2:31 the lower thrust bearing needs a tune up
Your attitude needs a tune up
Buano Taquito lmao
Your eye is well tunned as i can see
need to put a little motor on with a tiny heater coil on it as a generator to keep it under load so it runs real nice, the hit and miss is basicly just a rev limiter, like any motor is a hit and miss when its floating the valves at 7k or the rev limiter is cutting spark, one lungers just do it mechanically and their idle is at the rev limiter, they just try to maintain a set rpm that the governor is set for
Hit & Miss sounds appropriate for a Chinese engine lol
bring that to a stationary engine rally and see what people think of a mini stationary engine!
Oh my ... under load that engine sounds so beautiful. Great video. Is it loud at all... as in is the video muted much or is that how it sounded IRL?
FlyMario il
These engines were powered by the same gas they were pumping from the ground. Many are still in use today. I have seen them in oil fields in Bakersfield California.
Add a generator and Li-ion cells to it :) Also add 5v USB converter!
That will be awesome..
"Gasoline powred phone charger with powerbank function.."
Like if u agree!
How much power wos be if he run alternator?
Guess people didn’t agree
I just got that idea too and was looking at videos for inspirationi.. I think this engine should be good its 180 usd
It's a closed loop control system that is overshooting. So you get oscillation.
It's accelerating to the target velocity and quickly overshoots to a greater velocity than the target v, the overshoot causes rapid de-acceleration again overshooting to a slower velocity than the target and so on. Putting a load on it (adding some dampening) reduces the acceleration to the target velocity and it smoothly reaches the target v without overshooting.
It needs some 'tuning', to stop the oscillation.
You could hook a mini generator up to it.
Paul Hicks portable phone charger haha
johnDon would be hilarious in class. Hey teacher may I charge my phone real quick. Yeah sure. Then you'll use this thing :D
I kinda doubt it could produce enough torque for a generator. Might be worth a try though. I'm too poor to do it so I'm hoping for someone to do it.
It could definitely provide the 12W (5V 2.4A) necessary for fast charge. You'd want something with a large amount of very thin windings, preferably around (rectified) a 170-240VAC output. Any universal wall adaptor can handle that. More voltage = more efficiency when it comes to generating power, directly creating low voltages is very inefficient.
inferno, all it takes is a small brushed hobby elec motor, easy for the 5 volts needed for a phone charger, i have less that was not as nice looking for twice the amount, this looks to be well worth 250.00 as the link shows, great teaching aid to help youngsters or anyone wanting to learn, i am 54 and i built my first brush motor in the 8th grade, before a different reply is posted, with my real name, at 54, you finally start to relize that if someone dont like you, way better for you,,,,
Put some weaker springs on the centrifugal weights and it will slow the idle down and make it run more like a traditional hit and miss. Better than I expected from China, cool video.
Hit or miss I guess they never miss huh?
It’s running way to fast but when the fly balls on the governor open do to centrifugal force you can hear this motor missing. It’s running so fast that it sounds like it running rough. At one point you are looking at the governor and when the you see the fly balls open, you can see and hear the motor slow down because ignition has been cut off until the fly balls close and and ignition restored. When the governor is open and preventing ignition the engine is said to “missing”
this is why i love the internet
What I care the most is the balancing of these two flywheels.
Coming from a person who has machined the same design this appears to be a copy of the HMM1 design by David kerzel. Which the plans are free for online.
You are correct! I bought one of these and it is the Kerzel design.
misfitsailor if you were to look at the write up he did online where you can download the plans he says this and I quote "The plans are for everyone's use at no charge. The plans may not be sold, repackaged, or incorporated into other web pages or publications of any type. They may be used for educational or non profit purposes. If you have a question write. I also expect the copyright and design information will be maintained as the drawings and documents are used. A lot of time went into preparing these documents."
Why tell me, tell the Chinese. It would seem that when it comes to trademark and copyright laws, China is the "wild west".
Interesting point, and I saw the same comments on Kerzel's webpage. But the wording says that the PLANS cannot be sold, repackaged, used in other webpages or publications.......it seems that the Chinese outfit that makes these is not violating any of the above. Kerzel intends for people to make engines from his plans. Nothing is said about whether somebody can sell an engine one they have made it. And if that concept is valid, then the same should apply whether it is one person making one engine and selling it, or a company making a bunch and selling them.
This is typical of China. They profit through intellectual theft, always have. I mean face it, they were all rice farmers 30 years ago, and now they are a manufacturing giant. That is not organic growth at all......
Great little engine! Nice finish work for tank and mounting!
Now remove the brake and see how fast it'l go!
Not a brake, a governor, and it has to do with how a hit and miss engine works, you remove it, it doesn't work right, if it works at all.
Could you please explain this?
A hit and miss engine doesn't ignite every revolution. Instead, the engine freewheels until it slows down below a certain RPM. The governor detects that the RPM is too low and ignites the fuel on the next stroke to speed the engine back up again.
It's kind of like riding a skateboard. You push it forward, wait for it to slow down a bit, then push it forward again. If you removed the governor, there'd be nothing to tell the spark plug to ignite, so the engine wouldn't turn on
So... It's a kind of rev limiter function in a very simple way?
Immi Ogmios
Without the governor, the engine's spark plug would not ignite so the engine would not run.
The governor doesn't *cut off ignition above a certain RPM*
The governor actually *creates ignition below a certain RPM*
A four stroke (e.g. car) engine creates an ignition every 2nd time the engine turns regardless of RPM.
I suppose it does limit the RPM, yes, but that's not the governor's primary purpose. Hopefully that makes sense? :)
I'd thought the 2 flywheels would have been enough weight to idle it down and mimic (to some extent) the big boys, but under load it does what it should: work.
You could also add a Watt governor to make the speed more stable...
But the make-difference alternative would be to do some telephone-charger that you could start from the middle of Siberia, Patagonia, or Alaska.
¡You could sell zillions of them!
did do not watch the video? a "Watt governor" is already on it. Watt also didnt invent the "Watt governor" all he did was electrify the centrifugal switch that had been in use since the 16000s. also a H/M engine is not designed to run smooth or stable, they are intentionally designed to run at +/- 30ish% rpms
Cool! I like it better running slower. I wonder if making the governor springs lighter would let it run slower while still hitting and missing.
Hoping you hack it next video to make it run smoother, and power an electric generator of some sort!
You can't. The very un-smooth running is characteristic of a hit-and-miss engine - it's designed to skip most strokes under low load, not opening the intake valve until the RPM falls. This capability gives it very good fuel efficiency when unloaded, at the expense of erratic torque and speed. If you hacked it to run smooth, it wouldn't be a hit-and-miss any more, and would consume many times the volume of fuel.
if you follow the link in the description there is another video of the RPM lower and running smoother
Needs some tuneup. Could be needs more gas or air or differing plug. All has to be timed perfectly in order just like a car. That's why when you used your hand like a governor slowing it down it sounded more timed and tuned up.
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Hit & miss, I guess they never miss, huh
Hit the dab like tracer
What a dandy little power plant !!! Oh, and thanks for providing the link too.
Congratulations, another incredible video.
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why not hook up a cars lightmashine/generator up to it and see how much it manages to generate
Justagermannerd probably won't generate much if anything at all. Hook it up to a dc motor tho, you might get something out of it
that would work too , like a 12v one so you can easely adapt it / use for chargers and stuff
Ypu would need a decent size 12v motor to charge anything. I would love to see Johnny do something with this
alternator*
real life bart Simpson no. You can use a dc motor as a dc generator. Alternators produce ac
That engine is gorgeous. Too bad it's so expensive. Still, a work of art and human ingenuity.
There only $329 on Amazon….
I GUESS THEY NEVER MISS HUH
seems like it works much better under load. I wonder if it'd be good enough for making a power tool like a belt grinder
You can make a car with this engine
No you cant
Who would want to? Power is hit and miss. Cars need even power.
You could put a generator on it and use it to power a model train
If you have anodized aluminum you can take the anodized layer off by soaking it in greased lightning superstrength
Hit or miss
Jim Chance I guess they never miss huh
He gonna find another girl and he won't miss ya
You guys are fucking amazing
Hey man, really like your machinist videos and cool projects:)
I was curious if you've really torn into this thing.
Like seen if it uses like needle bearings, ball bearings, or just bearing surfaces. I tried contacting Bangood's customer support to ask if they sell replacement parts, and it was of no help to me... I see there are upgraded models coming out now. It just looks like such a cool engine to run for fun!
It admittedly looks beautifully machined and well built
Thanks!
Wow, its not even that expensive :o
Where is it for sale?
links in description
200$ Yikes, I usually see the Maytag for only 100 bucks more locally.
A shortcut you might find useful: a weak solution of sodium hydroxide in water will take colored anodizing right off. You just have to pay close attention, because it'll also take aluminum right off.
Cool video.. cool little engine .. kinda dissapoitned with your wood stand.. that this is horrific .. make a nice aluminum one
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Nah wood is better (also isolates better)
Well in the old days they came on wooden stands so you can start them around the yard I think he stayed. Looks good
All smaller hit and miss engines came mounted on wood blocking ready to accept wheels (extra)if desired, an aluminum stand would be out of place. His stand was first rate..you build an engine with aluminum stand and i t will be out of place and turn up noses for any antique engine.hobbyist.
What he should have done was build it on a wooden stand , like they used to in the old days. with handles and a set of wheels on it then it would have looked true to its time period . an aluminum stand would look ridiculous. Just because it is not of the right time period
Such a fine piece of machinery
Can you make a mini turbo for a nitro engine
Yuck Foutube but a diy
solobuggs that be hard, turbos are complex bastards, you wouldn't be able to 3D print it because it would melt and or break
solobuggs they are also 2 stroke and it’s not possible because the charge would just blow through the cylinder
Nitro ForTheWin no, the charge would be bigger since a bigger burn has happened. The exhaust would need to be fiddled with though
Shockwave Shockwave wrong. No bigger volume bcs the lack of valves. Without charge no gain in power.
Get your facts straight first.
You should make the flywheel slightly concave and put a flat belt on it
Get some stronger governor springs.
Here is what a model hit-n-miss should
run like.
ruclips.net/video/PtULHB-MQIQ/видео.html
(Go to about 3:30 to see it running.)
Granted, Don's is a bit larger, but not much.
steve
Steve Skouson weaker springs would lower the revs not stronger. Stronger ones would keep the governor in long thus more valve opens.
Zach, you are right.
steve
Or a heavier flywheel.
I would think lighter springs.
well if its supposed to only fire ("hit") when its slower than its set speed, there is no such thing as "here is what a hitNmiss should run like".
@JohnnyQ90 It seems that the engine gets pretty slow triggering the governor mechanism. To make it smoother, maybe try loosening the governor springs? Or lubricate the parts a little more or try increasing some clearances manually to reduce friction? I don't know.
Focus you fack!
Just curious as to why you got rid of anodization of the gas tank! It looked a lot better before!
I like how you twisted the tank at the beginning and not the lid...
Very cool and very wise woodworking
Hit or miss I guess they never miss
my only comment is that the bar that goes from just behind the right side flywheel to underneath the spark plug appears to be hitting that toothed gear which is going to eventually cause problems.? look at the area at @0:19
Liked becouse you took the time to make the stand and it's cool little engine
Hi - great video about this neat engine !
These days I received mine, but discovered a strange thing:
The wheel with the governor masses is loose on its axis; even a bit wobbling; it can be shifted along the axis for some 10 mm !!.
I guess that this is not OK, since by these means the governor mechanics cannot close the outlet valve ? !
How would you comment this (malfunction) ?
You should make a clutch bell to fit over the governor weights.
The push rods needs to be adjusted so that the cam doesn't hit it when it is latched by the governor latch, which generates an annoying high frequency clicking sounds and wear out the components faster.
Did not seem to want to run smoothly but when you put hand on the flywheel to give it load it ran smooth.
This is the nature of a hit and miss, it's not meant to run smooth like a traditional 4 cycle engine. The weight of the flywheels are meant to keep the engine turning and when the rpms begin to drop the engine will fire again to keep the rpms up. This model is running very fast compaired to a full size hit and miss, I suggest looking up a vid of the real thing for a better understanding. :)
It most certainly did not sound smooth running in the video, anything but!
barry phillips if he put some weaker springs on the centrifugal weights for the governor it would slow the idle down and make it run more like the real thing.
This is like a galaway engine.
You should try to build a miniature thrasher or even a miniature saw mill for the the hit and miss engine.
It'd be cool to have model that that thing runs like a miniature Rock Crusher
So, is this a noise maker or does it do anything? If you used the batteries to power an electric motor it would run smoother and be more silent. What's the point of using that contraption?
Can we place sand paper on wheels and use it???
this is a poetry. simply brilliant.
How much work can it do? Hp? Torque? RPM preferred load? I want to teach some people about efficiency, but need some base numbers.
You need to make a small water pump turned by the engine and a rad - another great video
I guess it never misses.
Me: *searches hit or miss chinese*
RUclips: First result: "Chinese Hit & Miss Gas Model Engine"
You should add some oil to the fuel to lubricate the piston rings.
Now i need to look up Hit and miss engines
Instant ordered this sweet little toy, thx for coupon code! ;)
You are an inspiration for me, you do all the shniz i want to do when i grow up, it's really cool
You need to put water at all times in the reservoir above the cylinder. Otherwise, in time, it will seize up just like the real ones.
Correct, but surprisingly it was just warm to the touch and I had it running for several minutes under load (my hand or a simple generator). I think what will first lead to a seized up piston, is the lack of proper lubrication.
Does it have an oiler for the cylinder wall like a traditional hit and miss or do you have to manually oil the cylinder??
That guy looks fairly well machined from where I'm at. Nice one.
Arent you suppose to mix gasoline with some sort of oil for lubrication or does this engine have separate oil tank?
Very cool. I wonder if you could adjust the governor springs or the carburetor to get the idle down ?
Some weaker springs would help a lot.
What could you use something so tiny for? A gas powered paint mixer? 🤣 Cool video!
The nut for the spark plug wire is actually just a brass insert
make a mini generator with the engine :D i love your incredible videos!