J-31 The Forgotten 5th Gen Fighter
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- Опубликовано: 31 май 2024
- A look at the Shenyang J-31.
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Its physics. When you match the performance requirements with modern materials you end up with similar solutions.
thats not true at all...
@@nikoc8968 its true. physics works the same way everywhere
@@nikoc8968 tell me what's 2+2 and 1+3
That, or you downloaded the plans from your competitor.
@@royk7712 thats pseudo-intellectual nonsense. if that were true, then all planes would have always looked the same; and all things ever made in the same category, for the same purpose, would have always looked the same.
the F-22 doesnt even look like the F-35 for christs sake, and those are 2 5th gen fighter aircraft from the SAME COMPANY.
The earliest FC-31 verification aircraft is currently on display at the museum square of the Shenyang Aircraft Manufacturing Plant for public viewing.
The story was by the time J-11s are being produced by the end of 1990s, China was very unsatisfied with the N001 radar and domestic radar that's signifcantly lighter and better performance was inserted into the airframe. However, it messed up the aerodynamics so much that first prototype almost crashed. lead weights carefully into the radar section to make it even flyable. It took nearly half a decade of work before SAC was able to balance the plane properly by using composite material, integerade domestic systems properly via J-11Bs and later J-16s.
Finally, a channel not straight up saying the American ones are superior and Chinese ones are shit but with some proper analysis
5th gen fighters are like modern cars. They all look alike.
You can also say the same thing about WW2 props - the Bf 109, Spitfire, Yak-3 and even P-47 all look very similar
It's called geometric stealth.
@@kieranh2005 It's called dumb comments from people who don't know what they're talking about.
@@billrich9722 wait he said it right.. stealth comes from 2 aspects: geometric stealth and RAM paint.. so the shape is part of the geometric stealth.. why is he dumb mentioning this noob 🤷♂️
Cars still look different. Smartphones would have been the right word.
The FC-31, you mean. The platform has since been developed into the J-35, a carrier fighter which is slated to enter service this summer.
More like summer 2028.
@@harrypothead4575 I figured anyone following this channel knows military service entry date estimates are absolutely rubbish.
@@harrypothead4575 when has the chinese ever been late on their delivery date? if you say the indians i would understand.
The great Balat's AMCA is the strongest fighter in South Asia, and of course, there is also the South Korean KF21 in east Asia, these two fighters are the strongest in the world, there is no rival, and the other aircraft are fake
@@bvusjxlee3941 Both of which are under development, not active service aircraft, and not expected to enter service until 2030 or beyond
J31 is the first prototype, Shenyang aircraft Company developed its own medium-sized stealth fighter, the Chinese military did not recognize this project, and now the J35 and J31 has been completely different, it is a multi-purpose stealth fighter, and F35 will have multiple models, Shenyang aircraft Company is expanding the plant, it is estimated that soon will be mass production!
"multipurpose steal fighter" is an oxymoron. By saying that they are saying it isnt that stealthy and it isnt that fast.
It is rumored that that j31 is foing to be a export variant and some countries are looking into it like Pakistan which already has considerable airplanes from china
No one is buying this shit heap
Thats what they want it to be... but it's not a good plane so I dont see how they would be able to sell it to anyone.
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And you base that ass-essment on what exactly?
Other rumours say, it is a carrier-based fighter, that oughtta replace J-11 and j-16.
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"but it's not a good plane"
Based on what exactly?
Excellent clip, thank you.
Thank you for such an unbiased review
Personally, I believe if China did use copied information then it doesn't mean they are bad, reverse engineering is still quite a feat to pull.
Lol "it's not bad"
Youre absolutely clueless aren't you?
Sure, but a kit car will never be a Ferrari, little alone to beat a Ferrari.
not even remotely true. taking something apart to see how it works and then copying it isnt "quite a feat"
@@nomercyinc6783but they didn’t take anything apart?
@@nomercyinc6783okay Chump
Good video with a well-reasoned cautious analysis. As Millenium7* has noted, this stuff is far too complicated for straight 'rip off' copying. The copying and espionage are definitely happening, but those claiming Chinese stuff is all copies are just indulging in Olympic-class cope that promotes head-in-the-sand conclusions.
On the 5th gen attributes, I confess I'm more interested in the networking capability of this and the J-20 than their stealth. The stealth is important, but it's hard to tell how valuable it is for the Chinese concept of operations. For example, if (speculating) the J-20 is intended as an AWACs & tanker killer, then moderately effective forward-aspect LO + a really good long range AAM would make a very effective combo. If that were the case, the Chinese may have made the judgement that the effort to further reduce RCS is better spent on more lethal AAMs.
The PRC are are garbage aeronautical engineers
I don't like to speak poorly of others usually if i can but Millenium 7* is just pure hyperbole click bait garbage....(but if you look deeper bs)
He claims to know how awesome Russian systems are on the unproduced Su75 and the Su57 for starters. He also seems to know how awesome the French Rafale is yet when it comes to anything American he babbles on about how it's all ordinary and insignificant. Geez he even claimed only the Europeans (specifically the French) were any good at making composite materials for stealth aircraft, that was my last straw. That channel along with it's toy vacuum cleaner Otis can rot in the manure heap that comes out there voice holes.
Sure he's entertaining but you sure don't find the biased hyperbole click bait titles and garbage info that seem to be marketed for a teen audience here on this channel.
You know some can fail when they copy from the top of their class. @@homebase5934
@@homebase5934 Annoying as his silly vacuum cleaner is, I disagree re your assertion of bias. He's been a long standing defender of the F-35 when most people were calling it crap. I regularly see a lot of his American audience get bent out of shape when he makes any reasonable criticism of US stuff, and absolutely lose their shit if he says the Chinese might be doing something other than clones. It's a weird reaction, but it's predictable as sunrise.
@@Splattle101 Yeah the F35 has no chance against the SU57 with it's tiny cheek mounted L band radars...so he claims LOL
great photos on your channel !
The fact that the USAF is already looking toward an F-22 replacement is one indicator of their perception of adversaries' capabilities.
Or just a wake up call of just HOW EXPENSIVE "hide and seek-games can get, when your bloody continent can't move an inch without a serious Diplomatic incident.
the fact that F-22 replacement would be too late, and 9 bil is already allocated to upgrade the existing 180ish F-22s is one more indicator of the URGENCY of percieved problem.
they are replacing the f22 because it was built using tech from the 80s and 90s. it cant connect to the modern fleet or aircraft the way the f35 can. thats why its being replaced. civilians that dont work for government contractors dont know shit about military equipment. civilians arent experts on anything military at all .
I would say its more about they cant make anymore. So we are stuck with the numbers we currently have. The machinery and tools were destroyed and they said it would cost an enormous amount of money to re-create it all and get the production back online. For a slightly higher price you can start a new program that uses modern and current tech. Also the F-22s are very expensive to upgrade.
The USA has 35 Trillion dollars in debt and no money for bonafide police training let alone expensive fighter jet replacement programs
Indian’s amca is only on the drawing board, as just like all of their military “made in India” dream, takes 20-30 years to materialise, and even then more than 70% are all imported parts(tejas, Vikrant etcs)
Turkish’s Khaan relies on the west for its engine, so not truly an independent manufacturer.
Korean’s KF-21 is not even a fifth GEN fighter to begin with, and again most of the parts relies on the US.
in light of the above, the only truly one left is the China’s FC-31/35, they basically made everything themselves including the engine.
SK government has a plan to make it become 5 generation Turkiye still in the process but they're still in track but yeah amca still is the only ones that still in drawing board
The problem with China is they have a lot of Russian technology from jets, subs, missiles and space-station technology, its hard to tell the difference.
even if china did rip the entire plans and specs for the F-35 theres no reason why they would copy/paste it. They could just use that as a comparison for their own testing. I think it stands to reason they would afterall want to beat their adversary, not just meet them at the same level. Do consider that 20 years ago a chinese car was some 3 wheel bubble with a scooter engine and now they are mass building cars that actually meet requirements for exports - so they are clearly quite good at improvement and iteration when they put their minds to it. They will probably be flying those tictacs that we all seen in the navy ufo clips in 20 years from now
Every country conducts espionage at some level. China do tend to have a (likely justified) reputation for ignoring patents and the like, but I agree with you, I think they want the best they can build, and humans are incredible at innovation.
After WW2, a "made in Japan" sticker was synonymous with poor quality, but that changed pretty fast.
@@cerealport2726 ...? are you sure about that? I know their dentistry was pretty famous during these days, of incredible quality. As well as their planes. What products of bad quality are you speaking of?
@@korana6308 I recall Japanese consumer goods as recently as the 1970s being referred to as cheap and nasty (in far more racist terms). Germany had a reputation as for cheap copies of superior British goods as late as the first years of the 20th C. America routinely ignored patents in the 1800s. It's a phase countries go through developing their tech and manufacturing.
There are many good reasons not to copy the F-35. For all its strengths the F-35 is limited by its VTOL requirement, without which it would be a much leaner and more capable plane.
@@Splattle101 i know about racism in the US that's not news to me. Just watch WW2 cartoons, you will know exactly what I'm talking about. I was talking specifically about the quality of their products.
JXX is roman for J-20, And the "Concept shown @1:50 is a design, that basically got it's own ANIME series: "Supersylph Yukikaze".
Very nice video 👍
Excellent vlog. Look forward to more interesting vlogs
4:48 I like how the highly refined simulated J-31 has a wobbly landing wheel.
That forward opening canopy is proof positive that they used stolen F-35 specs to design the J-31. The only reason the F-35’s canopy opens that way is because of the -35B’s lift fan 😂
LockMart has said all along that THAT was one of the biggest compromises that had to be made to keep parts as universal as possible
Wow! What you have created till now please show us
I don't understand why the USA makes classified aircraft design information internet accessible. It should be on a closed system.
That's because there ain't no "Classified" if it comes to airplanes anymore. The moment they roll out for a flight test, SURPRISE. (Usually 5 years before they fly as intended). Yes, you still can hide certain Technologies. But not the plane itself.
DUDE, I need to be able to remote work mmk, in the comfort of my bed while petting my hamster.
*🤭 they "put it online" so when you are beating, you can claim your opponent stole Your design, and the smear your opponent advances*
Even if you don't have the technology you can claim "the opponent is stolen from you so you don't have it anymore" just like Huawei 5G, Hypersonic weapons, TikTok (RUclips Shorts stole from)
Like you keep on copying neighboring Chinese kids' homework after you graduate, you claim A + Chinese students keeps on stealing your design and copying your homework that is why they are so good.
The US claims they have the best technologies, while suggesting their security technology is so poor that everything is stolen by China.
Because the US government needs the Chinese to steal F35 technology, they put this information on the Internet
J31 range is 3500 km, combat radius is 1200 km
joke. Even body of its size that's just grain of salt
I guess you are talking about ferry range .... combat radius is what matters more.
@@AnzaChannel123 They have j20 for that.
These are confidential data no one known, but merely judging from the shape, it can be ascertained that it is much farther than the overweight fattie F35
By talking on this topic, you skipped the most important factor in the development of FC-31 project... The stealth design of both J20 and J31 were based on designs developed by Professor Li Tian who serves as the head designer of Shenyang Aircraft Corporation...
Stolen tech? Because it has wings and engines?
Chinas history of espionage is well documented, including into the F-35 program. stop gaslighting people.
And can fly
Weakness and ignorance are not obstacles to survival, arrogance is。Let me make a bold prediction: the West will lose more because of its arrogance.
🤦 No, Because it was stolen information of the F22 and F35 is it that hard to understand and even if China Has Copies of F22 and F35 they are never as good as the original and the fact that Indian Su-30 was able to lock Chinese J20 thats already enough proof.
In August 2014, a Los Angeles grand jury indicted a Chinese national named Su Bin (a.k.a. Stephen Su) for his involvement in a cyber-espionage scheme perpetrated by People’s Liberation Army hackers.
Hate to be disrespectful, but to mention J35 in the same sentence as South Korean’s and Turkey’s “5th generation”fighters is an insult to J35, which comprehensively beats F35 in all key performance indicators as published by South China Morning Post recently.
"As published by the main PRC propaganda agency."
@@cvr527the KF-21 has never been said to be 5th gen by anyone credible, it's designed as a 4.5 gen.
The KAAN just flew it's maiden flight this year, the FC-31's maiden flight was in 2013.
F35 can barely be called a 5th.... it can't supercruise
@@cvr527 so will it be published by USA?
Super cruising is not what makes a 5th gen jet 😑@@fatdoi003
Pakistan AF is already involved in FC 31 / J-31 Gyrfalcon stealth jet project
Air Chief saying they want to buy a jet doesn't mean they're 'involved' in it'. Buying doesn't mean 'involvement' in the project.
@@averagestudent5223 Buying it means it is still continuing.
Pakistan need to help it’s poor people.Also India too.Donkeys are still on the streets instead of automobiles in Pakistan.
@@hiketee6159 buying it doesn't mean 'involved', a word used when someone is co-designing or manufacturing it.
Pakistan currently does not use twin-engine fighter aircraft, which is a financial challenge for Pakistan. Twin-engine fighters are expensive, and the fifth-generation aircraft may require a heated hangar
Shenyang Aircraft Corporation is literally a state-owned enterprise. It doesn't need foreign investors like other American military industrial complex.
F35 shall not be classifed as a full 5th-gen fighter jets, as it lacks some of crucial features like supercruise and super-maneuverability
People don't understand that Chinese are content to be behind in development in eyes of opposition, as long as it's good for business! But,Blinkin going there to beg them not to produce so much,😅 is telling!
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Now there's yet another version, the FC-31B, with 2x side weapons bays to carry 4x missiles.
We don't hear much about the J-20?
What you smoking bro? We don't hear about f22 because it's old and no longer in production. Su-57 because it was never in mass production or use. but j-20 just started it's mass production run and will probably continue to be upgraded with many different variations being built. From 2 seater to electronics warfare version to who knows what else.
We hear about the J-20 more than the F35
F-35 combat radius on internal fuel is 1100kms, J-31 now the J-35 combat radius on internal fuel is 1200kms. The carrier will be in range of the
Chinese rocket force DF-26 missile's 4000km range.
I was hoping for more Australian footage
Does Australia have its own military aircraft?
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Today china had put so much money on the R & D programe for the new technology.China has also been doing innovation to the existing technologies that profitted china in international trade.
j35 is not for bombing because china has 300 plus j16 which is equal to f15 ex.
boeing drop ball in f15 ex.
Scale model and prototype on the same year its just far more than reality for India.
People think copying an aircraft is easy, but it's not. Changing even one inch of an aircraft means you have to change and test all the systems again. It's not like math homework where you can just copy and paste. For example, if you change the radar, you need to change all the software. If you change the missile, you need to adjust all the targeting systems. So, you can't completely copy an aircraft. Some say certain planes are copies of the F-35, but that's not true. They might be inspired by the F-35, and some technology might have been stolen by Chinese hackers. If that happened, first, the CIA should be ashamed for not noticing, and second, you should acknowledge that the Chinese are very hard-working. Competing with Western technology isn't as easy as it seems.
Except that you are not really required to do that. You can just build a worse plane. Even if your design would be inefficient. As long as it doesn't immediately break or cause instability...
Lol.
@@korana6308but that’s not what china does tho?
@@korana6308 Do you think someone would spend billions of dollars designing an inefficient and unstable aircraft to use? And hundreds of aircraft were manufactured for deployment in the Air Force. Do you think your IQ is higher than the collective IQ of tens of thousands of aircraft manufacturing engineers? If you think you are smart like this, then you must have an IQ problem.
I gotta admit eventually the Chinese will build fighter jets or anything else that anyone in the world builds JUST AS WELL OR BETTER..
They already do,they just don't brag about it, being content that US thinks that they rule!
yeah, after stealing technologies to get there...rather than accomplishing anything on their own.
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0:40 look at the back of those aircraft and tell me if that looks dope to you they don’t even have anything covering the engines. It’s just a giant flame throwers with 3-D thruster the Russians prize super maneuverability over stealth. Like a fifth generation fighter is meant to dogfight or something stealth fighters are not meant for dog fighting. They’re meant for shooting down other aircraft without being detected.
FC31 is designed for export,since J20 wont export
这熟悉的文案😂
talk about the engine that the J31 has. 💰The engine makes it stealth. Not the paint!
The SUKOY57 Is best !
love your channel please cover India's tejas mk2 program also
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it's a garbage , a ppt aircraft
If Arjun was a plane 😂
This is an incredible report on a Chinese-developed fighter jet without bias and bad taste. We need more of this type of report so that people can have better understanding regarding Chinese air force condition and development.
yeah knockoff to better products, very well said
I gotta say the 57 is pretty impressive even though it's not a TRUE stealth fighter.. The J-31 looks like a better jet all around than a J-20! I don't like Canards on a fighter jet.. They ruin stealth..
那说明你对“隐身技术”有误解。参考一下船只的隐身性你就知道鸭式布局也能确保隐身性的。57隐身性能不好主要原因是外皮的工艺粗糙造成的。
Absolutely zero indication of a onboard cannon, much like the J-20. So if in its current state that's the payload capacity, this will surely drop with the addition of a cannon, if they can add one.
Lots of dcs world footage
J15 was developed based on Su33, which Russia didn’t produce and Ukraine sold the prototype to China along with a Chinese first carrier.
WTF
I hope every country will spend more on health and education than military stuff.
We have some problem with them but that doesn't mean we can underestimate them.
After USA they have the best stealth fighter in the world, su57 is no match and others are still in development and won't come until 2030
Relax, this is for export, it's just business, not for war.
Now is j35
J35 for Navy
J31 for AF
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Correction: J-31 The Forgotten CGI imaginary fake 5th Gen Fighter
the J20 is a really good aircraft and China's allies should buy it
J20 isn't available for export, just like the f22
I'm sure you know that you can't buy what is not for sale.
@@eddiecharles6457 I'm sure you get that wanting China's allies to buy their crap aircraft is so they all have rubbish that will fail if it ever comes to confrontation with the west in fact having such unreliable underperforming rubbish would be the perfect deterrent to conflict but perhaps you don't get it after all
China has few allies
They don't want to be gangsters on Earth
However, Iran prefers American aircraft, such as the F14 and Bell-212
J-31 would be come J-35 version later
Does anyone else remember when the first j-31 was on a flight runway preforming runway checks and was about to take off and started to act up do you believe that incident cause them to shelve it since that reverse engineering the data from the f-35 that didn't completely understand
The great Balat's AMCA is the strongest fighter in South Asia, and of course, there is also the South Korean KF21 in east Asia, these two fighters are the strongest in the world, there is no rival, and the other aircraft are fake
Still on drawing board lol
Its said that the J31, will be revealed and released as an actual "stealth" aircraft. Something the J20 would require a frame redesign to acheive.
J31遙遙領先😂
pakistan airforce is deciding to buy it.
Didn’t Israel often share/leak aircraft how-to to China?
Downvote for the hardcoded English subtitles over an English voice over. Why? It makes the video unwatchable.
TEMU F-35 🤣🤣🤣
Russian 5th is an AMC Gremlin.
Sure, they hack the well secured system. We all believe you. They are that skilled in hacking.
Isn't this saying that US military secrets are placed on the public network, and the US Internet defense mechanism is like paper paste?
@@bvusjxlee3941 they are experts on mind control. Through propaganda and lie s .
@bvusjxlee3941 they made up the story to discredit others' independent work. A to look like the good guys
Forgotten by western media only. The J31 has been in constant development. Its new engine is going online now that China solved the jet engine issues with the J20 and started mass production of the WS15 engines. The J31 is going into production soon for the new type 003 carrier. Models have been spotted on the 001 carrier already.
f 35 f 22 tfx kaan su 57 .............Stylists do not decide the shape of such planes; Million dollar programs are designed this way, after thousands of calculations.
Every other new so called 5th gen jets looks like a baby of f22 and f35 🤣
Keunggulanya china membuatnya sendiri sedangkan yang lain hanya merakit produk AS😂
我的国家正在提升军事实力，来提升自己应对外部威胁的实力，作为一个大国，这些都只是基础配置而已，但不希望陷入和美国的军备竞赛。
I didn't know you can order F35s from Temu 😂
Old joke.
@@Zaphodteo Still true 😂
@@Zaphodteo It's called a classic joke. You need to study more. 😂
@@benashbaugh5982 nah, its cliche.
Well, at least it didn't crash into a mountain or fall into the sea like the great US-made F-35.
Chine stoles everything, HA HA! But except China's space station?
China will grow larger
Yes I am sure buddy.. You’re Air Force Su-57 got destroyed
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Soooo....
Copy pasting plans doesn't make a 5th gen fighter.
If you don't do the research, you don't know the pro's and cons of certain design points.
FWIW Russia's development programs are done in 10's (10 prototypes, 2 of those have the most recent designs and equipment and can be shown as "operational").
That is why we don't see SU-57's or T-14 Armata's (the same deal for Russian tank development. 10 prototypes, 2 rolling tanks).
Russia does their own development though. So they might know what they are talking about.
China, just copy pastes stuff and has no (ZERO) knowledge or experience.
Dunno about India....
f35 is too old dude, we dont deserve that lmfao
China: Builds J31
USA which has mastered element 115: Ahh that's cute🤭
如果你们认为中国j31复制了f35.那么你们也复制一个好了😂
Man the range is almost halved that of the f35… thats embarassing to even call it a competitor
I’m always impressed by newer fighter planes. But I know if I walked past a J-20 and it had “made in China” on it, I think I’d die of laughter 😂
I wouldn't be biased tho, I live in Central Asia, Chinese tech, companies, and investments literally overrun my country's economy in 4 years.
Just to give you my perspective: it's very likely that my first car is going to be Chinese (BYD), the house I may bought will be Chinese, Russian company I work for will be working for Chinese contracts, I will be driving on Chinese roads, using Chinese phone, car, communication.
They can be lacking some aspects and capabilities, for now, but it's definitely interesting to see what they will achieve in 20-35 years.
Have a great day sir.
Reetah still thinks he's living in the year 2000 or something.
希望你笑的开心😊但你没有机会看见歼20
Do you think anyone cares if you laugh or cry? especially the chinese
@@dollgoo-jx8fv I bet you’re fun at parties 😆
Gyna’s Junk-31
China was literally using junk and still beat the sh** out of the US and UN forces in Korea.
You need to learn to fear China.
Remember, from the Huns, to the Mongols, to now, the fear of East Asian superpower has long been etched in your blood.
F35 crashes more often. The latest one was in Albuquerque just a week ago. In fact, it has so many maintenance challenges, that half the entire fleet is grounded and not available at sny one time. And they cost 100 million dollar per plane.
I don't know if China stole anything, but I know that Americans stole Indian land.
nailed it，bro
3:48 stop making things up
what is made up...?
@@cerealport2726 it did not fly in dubai...in fact, it barely appeared as a 0.5m long plastic model
China : f22 - Cntrl+c cntrl+ v- j20
f35- cntrl+c cntrl+v - jc-31
Russia : urraa - SU-57/75
Turkey 🦃: KF-Karenkaan
koreaa- gaypop - kf21
Yeah no j20 has canards and a delta wing it’s not a f22 copy, copy means the just replicate everything. It’s shape isn’t that of a f22
LOL everything with a wing is a copy of US plane or fighter jet
China's paper dragon aircraft
Paper cuts. It's actually quite painful.
Right. It was forgotten, because it's a piece of crap...
The real crap is the 100 million dollar F35. Half the entire fleet is unavailable most of the time due to maintenance challenges. Prone to crash as well.
USA propaganda 😂
Go China🇨🇳
J-35 Lightching Mk.III is coming babe😂
this jet along with j20 uses gutter oil as fuel same fuel required by Chinese to make bat and dog meat soups
Smartest Indian in the world spotted ! And there 1 more billion of them….
@@antoinestudio1062 lol
Kumar8101 the bots
Honestly I don’t understand why so much Indians are insulting the Chinese while most Chinese simply don’t care about them or don’t have much negative feelings about them.
Thank god they don’t wash their face with cow dung lol 😂
It’s not 5th generation there’s only 2 legitimate 5th gen fighters on earth everything else is just 4th plus gen not 4th but not quite 5th gen it takes more than a low radar cross section to be 5th gen and that’s all these other fighter have is a low radar cross section the SU-57 the J-20 the J-31 the KAAN are all in the same class as the KF-21 they’re 4th gen plus or 4th plus gen not quite 5th gen but better than 4th gen there’s literally only 1 aircraft manufacturer that knows the secret to building a true 5th gen fighter and that’s Lockheed Martin everyone else can claim 5th gen but they’re wrong and ignorant they want to look equal in the eyes of the world but if they ever come up against a F-22 they will get shot out of the sky before they even know there’s a bogie in their airspace
Is 5th gen fighter a real term used by the usaf? And do they have a classification for what a fifth gen fighter is?
I guess that's why the US is retiring the F-22, because its so far ahead it isn't fair to other countries. LOL
Let me tell you one bloody truth my bro, F-22 and F-35 are NOT 5th gen fighters today, because they are NOT stealthy any more in front of Chinese radars !
Poor kiddos don’t even know that j20 is far better from that f22 submarine in every single aspect.