the red line was there B4 Imu cuz of the lunarians living there, the red line IS the world snake turned to stone by the love love fruit & why black beard is after boas powers
With the most widely known serpent in the series being the "Sea King", Imu as the "King of The World" having a mythical serpent fruit would make so much sense. I'm investing
@@MrMorj Maybe Imu’s fruit could be the sea king. Like instead of specifically the Jormungandr, the fruit is basically the same thing but a deity specific to One Piece, much like Nika is. So it would be heavily based on the Jormungandr, but with some elements such as the leviathan or the biblical serpent. And this deity could be the Sea King. As Ima is literally the king of the sea, and the first sea king we see is a serpent as stated above. This also ties in with the Mother Sea hating other fruits idea, as the Sea king could be possibly be this mother sea Vegapunk’s talking about. So everything else in Morj’s theory still works, there’s just a slight change.
@@MrMorj I think that was a regular sea monster,. sea kings are portrayed as being able to easily sink Marine warships and are much larger than the creature Luffy OHKOed
Something I would like to add is that in both Wano and Shandia, the citizens lived under the belief that they were ruled by an benevolent deity until that deity was killed. The same thing would likely happen once Imu was revealed.
@@henrypeters5291 since I believe most were praying/wishing that Orochi's reign would end during the fire festival. I believe doflamingo would fit the bill the best when it comes to an evil ruler being believed to be benevolent be his people.
I like that Imu creating the Red Line also makes sense thematically: it literally symbolizes Imu strangling the world, works as both a metaphor for the rule of the WG and a literal obstruction to traveling the world
Egyptian mythology also has a similar world ending event which I feels also ties in especially with vivi now involved. Ra ( the god of the sun) sails on his sun ship(sunny) with the other gods with must battle the serpent of chaos and darkness, and the original god before the sun came to be (apothikis) and if the serpent won he would then wrap himself around the world and swallow it into an age of chaos and darkness once more
This also corresponds to Babylonian mythology where Marduk who’s name means “immortal Son of Utu (sun god)” who killed Timat and built the world from her body. This could symbolize Luffy defeating the world Serpent and creating a new world from its body (destroying the grand line)
Good theory! Something that might make the case even stronger is that having Imu be a snake doubles as the Biblical serpent from the book of Genesis. The devil fruits themselves seem to have some connection to the fruit that the literal devil offered Eve, and of course OP has the Adam and Eve trees that might well play an important role in its lore as well. So that in a way makes Imu like Satan, and the mythical snake fruit could well be the OG devil fruit (at least by implication) - quite a fitting endgame opponent on that front as weal!
I think Garling's appearance could be a clever hint to this Ragnarok. There's a popular myth that a red moon represents an omen of cataclysm. And a red moon is usually seen just before the dawn. The God's Knights being mobilized is what Dragon was afraid of, perhaps because it signals that Ragnarok is at hand. That this unseen God is soon to make it's play.
So she's the red soaked serpent but prefers to be in her human form!!! She looks like a goddess, and she tricked the 20 kingdoms with bribery of devil fruits in order to help her defeat joy, boy!!!!
Perhaps the Zoan isn't Jormungandr, but Tiamat. In Mesopotamian myth, Tiamat was the primordial goddess of the ocean, the abyss and chaos, the great serpent or dragon. Coupled with her mate, Abzu, she created the rest of the gods, when the world was an endless sea. The gods killed Abzu, enraging Tiamat, who birthed teeming hordes of monsters to command. The gods eventually killed Tiamat, and formed a new order out of her reign of chaos. Thus, we have our own world. Going by this idea, the war for the Dawn would be a retelling of this myth, with the rest of the gods (the Strawhats) teaming up to fight and kill Tiamat (Imu) and her legion of monsters (Gorosei and CD). This would work with Imu being "mother ocean", as she would be a holder of the "ocean goddess" Zoan, and would hate other DF users for being the "gods" that enraged her originally, or potentially stealing "divinity" for themselves. Hell, perhaps Imu knows how to create Devil Fruits at will, and bestowed Zoans onto the Gorosei, thus making them her "monstrous children".
Did I remember it wrong but is Vegapunk not able to create artificial DF? Also fruit as in the forbidden apple since a lot of one piece is influenced by numerous religions
it's not gonna be Tiamat its just gonna be called the Sea King fruit. Luffy's first fight the whole series is against a Sea King/ serpent of the coasts or whatever its name is
HAHAHA WAS LITERALLY ABOUT TO TYPE THIS. I often forget how American morj is, but then he’ll hit me with his pronounciation of Buddha or shiva or something
been saying that Imu will have some snake themes on him. The Red Line immediately reminded me of Jormunggandr, glad other people are seeing something alike. Great t!
The red line was implied to have been existing since before the formation of the government as it was called the home of the gods by Whitebeard Imu is someone who was most likely born in the latter half of the void century, so it can't possibly be them who created the red line.
@@musabs5848 He's from the Nerona family, so it's fair to assume he was a 30-40 year old ruler before the ruling families defeated the ancient kingdom to build Mariejois atop the red line. "Latter half of the void century", I mentioned this in my orginal post above too. Whitebeard implied that the red line was home to the Lunarians much before Mariejois' existence, so there's that
@@11junkyard True, and the Land of the Gods is analog to The Empyrean from Dante's Divin Comedy, as we can see from the other namings acording to the cosmoly in Gorosei's
Lunarians lived on top of the Red Line before the events of the void century, so no way Imu made it, right? Plus, Nami says that the Red Line should be thought of as more like a huge string of connected islands with their own weather, rather than just one big continent, which makes it more likely that whatever was used to raise the walls around Wano was used in a big way to do that. Definitely could see some aspects of this coming through, but Oda never takes 1:1 from anything, I mean he just combined Hanuman with Bugs Bunny lol Also, the gates leading up reverse mountain have snakes carved into them, and they're the exact same style as the snakes on the murals on the moon, soooo.... I'm not sure where this is going but I'm imagining some absolutely insane space pirate terraforming project
True! Maybe the red line was more like individual islands before, and that is where the lunarians lived. Then shit went down and the lunarians died and the red line was enclosed. Either by Imu, or by Joyboy stretching them together.
my theory is that Imu created the redline from the red moon. It was the land of the gods the lunarians used to live on in the distant past. The lunarians (name derived from moon) were the true gods in the heavens. Maybe Imu used multiple moons hence multiple weather patterns
So she's the red soaked serpent but prefers to be in her human form!!! She looks like a goddess, and she tricked the 20 kingdoms with bribery of devil fruits in order to help her defeat joy, boy!!!!
I think one nice thing to add here is the concept of leviathan as a snake like sea monster. I think many in the comments already talked about it so I won’t but a nice thing to add here is the book from the important philosopher Thomas Hobbes called leviathan. In which he talkes about the society and it’s needs for security he postulates people giving up there inherent freedoms to a mighty sovereign which delivers security for the people by oppressing them but also by doing this preventing the people to fight among themselves. I think this adds greatly to the idear of the video and what’s happening with the government oppressions marine self legitimization of bringing peace and justice. Also it’s fits perfectly the theme of getting freedom back by killing the sovereign which is called leviathan in the book ergo a see serpent ergo another name for Imu
@@theonlyholly3well then surely you haven't read Hobbes either ya goober. Mighty fine detail IMO considering Oda's history of referencing similar literature
Also emphasizes the idea of people of nature being inherently free, Hobbes had a bit of a racist bent when describing Native Americans. The Will of D. being Natural Enemies of God (Imu) is also a Biblical reference for Moses saying those who oppose Yahweh are "Natural men" or "men of nature"
@@nichoudhaIt's actually interesting how perfectly it mirrors the bible (the book itself not the modern perception of it) where God is said to be all good and pure, but demands worship and servitude until the day you die, otherwise he sends his people to kill you (marines) enslave you (Celestial dragons) or if you fight back enough, kill you himself (the mother flame, the flood theory, etc) Ironically enough, despite the serpent look, Imu is the most biblically accurate god I've ever seen!
If the Red Line is the "serpent" in a sense, wouldn't it then also make sense that reverse mountain is the first "scar" left on that serpent? Similar to Kaido's wound
I like the idea. Also fits nicely with a Shanks battle / possible death since Shanks is littered with Norse mythology symbolism. Viking ship, lost arm like Tyr and has an Odin symbolism for his scarred eye (Odin sacrificed an eye for magic knowledge, Shanks almost lost an eye to BB but has gained insight on how dangerous he is and what his ambitions are). If the symbolism holds true, Shanks will die to someone with canine powers (Tyr dies to Garm, Odin dies to Fenrir).
There are 2 other mythical comparisons to imu having some form of serpent associations. The christian re-interpertation of the garden of eden story, the devil takes the form of the serpent who tempts eve which fits in the sea devil theory and the adam & eve trees. The other one is Apophis from egyptian mythology, who is also an evil serpent, specifically, the end of the world in egyptian mythology is said to begin when Apophis devours Ra, the egyptian sun god. I'd argue that its still more likely though that Imu's fruit is referred to as the sea devil, and said devil takes the form of a serpent fitting the christian reinterpertation of the garden of eden.
I was thinking Tiamat. That serpent is the goddess of the primordial ocean, and if you want to keep the Christian interpretation, Leviathan is the Eden serpent, and is sometimes considered an expy of Tiamat.
@@DrakusLuthos there are alot of indo european dragons that could fit the serpent role, apophis just stood out to me for having specifically a myth that includes devouring the sun. especially since imu has a connection to the nefertaris who come from the very egyptian inspired alabasta
Maybe Imu is the representation of multiple religious cultures. Imu is the World Serpent, Tiamat and the Antichrist as an idea all at once. The final battle for the world against the leader who restores the world is Luffy The Sun God. Son of God, reborn is joyboy as was Jesus, as he will rise again to destroy the Antichrist and set the world free. Giants are usually Seraphim in the bible, half angels half human. Maybe the giants were on Imus side initially and Joyboy brought them freedom. Just the amount of Religious texts Oda would have had to have read to make this story work is incredible.
@@seewn6046 Giant half-angels are the Nephilim, not the Seraphim. The Nephilim were created by the Watchers mating with humans, and are one reason for the Flood. The Seraphim are the six-winged flaming angels that fly around God, singing and praising.
Shanks captains the Red Force, with the head of a red serpent in Norse style. He isn't particularly associated with his family, but the Figurlands are a perhaps all red haired family of celestial dragons who seem to be prominent amongst the rest. Unless that's just Garling due to his personal ability...
Great theory Morj, but I have some things to say about this: 1.- ''The norse battle of Ragnarok is supossed to conclude with the world serpent being slain''. Well, Jormundgander doesn't even have a prominent role during Ragnarok since it's basically a battle royale. Jormundgander fights Thor and they kill eachother, but that's not the end of Ragnarok, nor the most important battle. 2.- ''As in norse mythology Jormundgander is essentially a world ending threat. This is a creature that is basically the final villain of all Norse mytholgy''. Again, no. Jormundgander isn't the final villain, and the serpent is arguably not even stronger than Fenrir, another of Loki's descendant that also played a role in Ragnarok. 3.- You call Jormundgander ''final evil'', but we have no evidence of the serpent being actually evil. He is just a huge serpent, and we have no evidence that he had malevolent thoughts. Apart from Ragnarok, he never had any behavior other than that of a huge animal. And he, unlike other monsters in norse mythology, was destined to fight in Ragnarok probably for the simple reason that he was the son of Loki, the true instigator of Ragnarok. 4.- For me the main problem with this theory is that we already have a clear reference to Jormundgander in the manga: Nola. A large snake with a lot of physical power that shares appearance with the mythologycal snake and the ability to spit venom. As if that weren't enough, Enel used an attack called 'Thor' against Nola in reference to the battle between the god and the giant snake during Ragnarok. 5.- In my opinion it doesn't make much sense that the final villain of One Piece is based on a single mythology. Furthermore, I don't think Imu It's based on any mythology that we know of, for the mere reason that it wouldn't make much sense for the god Nika, a specific One Piece deity, to face Jormundgander or any other obvious mythological reference. It would be weird imo. In any case, this is an interesting theory, but I wanted to clarify some points about norse mythology. Good job, Morj. PS: English is not my first language so sorry for my spelling and grammar mistakes. Have a nice day
Yea morj shouldnt have base too much of this theory on Jormungandr from norse myth per se but the Ouroboros in general as the Ouroboros is represented in many cultures and oda will create his own version of it just like he has with the sun god
Theres then also the mirroring in chapter 1 of Shanks starring down a seasnake and losing his arm for the new era when Luffy will face the final seasnake for the new dawn!
Great theory as always Morj! I'm glad those hours of God of War are paying off 😂. I totally forgot about that "great serpent" call out on Little Garden though. That's a great catch
Another interesting note is when we first meet Kaido, he begins by announcing wanting to start the greatest war the world has ever seen. Kaido has a serpent like fruit, so that could have been a foreshadowing towards Imu starting off the greatest war the world has ever seen. Also, another thing I thought about was Kaido fell from a Sky Island. Which could be a foreshadowing towards Skypias old serpent god, and since Imu thinks of themselves as a god. They could also have a serpent like fruit to connect in the same sort of way? I don't know if what I am saying makes any sense. I hope it does. Let me know if something needs to be clarified. Also, I doubt I am the only one who thought of this, so I don't take any credit on this theory.
On addition to norse mythology, this could also be rooted in egyptian mythology. There, a giant snake god Apophis/Apep wishes to devour the sun. Ra, the sun god must fight him every day so that there could be a new dawn the next day. Just like how Luffy, the sun god Nika will fight Imu to ensure a new dawn.
Less we forget Marco did mentioned Whitebeard heard about “gods” living atop the red line before CDs and it was hinted and heavily implied to be Lunarians. So the Redline maybe artificial but not created by CDs
Like with a previous video I think the Lunarians throw a wrench in this. We are told they occupied the Red Line previously and what little we get of King in the Kaido flashback it seems like they were allies of Joyboy. So the Redline should ha e already existed during the Void Century. Really Kunarians living there calls a lot of older theories into question.
would be cool? but whenever i think of Luffy vs. Imu i ask what can Imu do against Gear 5? does a world serpent stand a chance? is it too redundant after Kaido for a big end to the series? i like the idea of a Devil but what would that devil be able to do...
All of the "Red Line is man made" videos forget that the Lunarians were already living on Mary Geoise before the defeat of the great kingdom. The Red Line was already there before the 19 families took over.
the red line was there B4 Imu cuz of the lunarians living there, the red line IS the world snake turned to stone by the love love fruit & why black beard is after boas powers
I found it super hilarious that in the end big mom got defeated by Law (and Kid), and you could spell out from it that Napoleon got defeated by Trafalgar D. Water Law (Trafalgar and Waterloo). So maybe it is similar to Luffy's Thor attack and Imu's power. (I know it is a stretch, but I would find it still hilarious). (I always found that naming out of place.)
(Commented before watching video)Giant serpents / dragons like tiamat, leviathan, and Jormungander are associated with chaos and the ocean so I always felt that Imu had a tiamat fruit or something. Dragons and serpents are also associated with chaos, immortality, power, and temptation and sometimes fire. Some verses of the bible also imply that leviathan has multiple heads and breathes fire like how Imu was able to no sell Sabo's attack. Also keep in mind in the book of revelations, the first beast, also known as the beast from the sea has the body of a leopard like Rob Lucci.
In revelation Satan is also referred to as the fiery colored dragon who Michael the archangel first casts down from Heaven along with his demons (referred to as stars/celestials) and then battles and defeats in the war of Armageddon
@@josesosa3337 yeah it says he dragged 1/3 off the stars of Heaven with him. This is understood to be symbolically referring to Satan converting 1/3 of the angels to his cause as demons
I think, similar to Nika, it won't be called "Jormungandr" but this would likely be a massive inspiration for the fictional Serpent God that Imu's fruit is.
This is also prevalent with Egyptian mythology dealing with the God of chaos / darkness Apophis … enemy of the Gods. Diving deeper into Egyptian lore, you could argue that black beard has similarities to Set and luffy has similarities to Horus. Both natural born enemies but eventually have to team up to bring down the ultimate chaos in the world … Morj you should take a deep dive into Egyptian lore. ODA relates damn near the entire story of one piece to it, even tying together the void century , ancient tech and knowledge with Atlantis (ancient Egypt)
Most mythologies have a giant serpent in them. Hell, in Egyptian mythology Apophis, a giant snake and the Egyptian god of Chaos and Disarray, is fated to bring about the Apocalypse after eating the sun god: Amun-Ra. There is also the great serpent of Delphi that in Greek mythology that was slain by Apollo, the sun god (Artemis helped).
Gonna throw a wrench in your theory, wasn't it stated by Marco that he was told by Whitebeard that the Lunarians used to live on the Redline before the celestial dragons? That would mean Imu couldn't have created the Red Line? Granted we still don't know much about Imu so maybe they are lunarian who knows lol
Lunar means moon so maybe the red line came from the moon and lunarians used to live up there. This would also explain the sky people coming from the moon. One thing we do know is they would’ve had to come down before or during the clic century because the shandorians have a poneglyph
Yea morj goofed on that, it doesnt hurt the theory per se tho as Imu still benefits from the red line existing even if he didnt create it while still having the Jormungandr fruit
We do know that people can be wrong about stuff in universe, like Jabra thinking the devils in your devil fruit will fight each other, and so on. Whitebeard could just have been wrong about lunarians potentially
@@garrettgrisso8180 Unless what Roger learnt at Laugh Tale was wrong, WB should be correct here since the source of this info for him should be that conversation with Roger we saw during Marineford
Personally I think Tiamat “the mother of the sea” & one of the “creator gods” etc etc.. would also fit Imu exceptionally well, & honestly so would Leviathan too, being the dragon sea god etc.. but I think something like Tiamat would fit best personally
My favorite one piece theory is that the source of devil fruits and also Imus power, originate from dream energy. Like in the xbox 360 game Asuras wrath, mantra is the power system, and it is comprised of the thoughts, prayers, and emotions of all beings, and on it's own, that power is only weak resonating vibrations that lie in abundance all around us. However the due to technical advancements they invented mantra reactors which capture mantra and turn it into an incredible source of energy. So then you get demigods which are cyborgs powered by mantra capable of destroying the planet. The seven deities were cruel however, and often killed humans to harvest their soul directly for a huge amount of mantra. What do we see big mom do, harvest souls directly for a large power up. Another big thing in asuras wrath is that Asura and the emperor are betrayed, and the self proclaimed seven deities rule over the world for 12,000 years only for asura to finally return and set things straight. I think that in one piece dreams are similar to mantra, and when there is an extreme amount of that 'dream energy' it actually manifests into physical matter, which according to Einstein's theory could happen. So basically these devil fruits are what mantra reactors are for demigods in asuras wrath, just tools that allow access to the immense latent dream energy in one piece. Off course imu has special technology that allows him access to this power without needing devil fruits, and he keeps the world in this post apocalyptical state because people will dream even more, which gives him more power, and that would explain how he's lived this long.
One thing about grand line is , it's revealed that before celestial dragon lunarins lived there , though we can say they later moved to the moon due to unknown reasons, we still get the hint that red line existed even before celestials moved there
My take: The Great Serpent soaked in Blood Is litteraly the Red line and It represents the Ouroboros, the Snake of eternity that eats Its own Tail. Jormungandr Is the Norse take on the Ouroboros. But the Ouroboros was also known in ancient Egypt (aka Alabasta). It's a recurrent figure in many mitologies and has tons of references in mondern culture. Even in science. It could very well be that the Red Line Is actual body of the Ouroboros. Maybe Im is the One Who killed/defeated the snake and caused the Apocalypse, which destoryed the ancient Kingdom. Also, I would consider Amazon Lily as a direct reference to Snake mitology in One Piece. They use Snake as weapons, they are guided by "gorgons", they even have LILY in the name of the country and their leader Is a former slave, freed by the future leader of the Sun Pirates, which is genetichaly in love with the new Joy Boy. ... Like... Come on.
I like this theory cause the first thing luffy did on his journey was punch a giant snake sea monster thing so him ending his journey doing the same thing would be an insane parallel
One more thing that may not be a coincidence is that both arcs have 3 serpents and the youngest of the 3 being good . In Jaya those are the first 2 snakes that were cut down and the 3rd lil one being friendly who later protected the land once it grew up , in wano it's momo who was introduced as a small dragon who grew up and lifted the island, so are there 2 more serpants ?
I'm sure many many people have said but it's pronounced "Yor-Mun-Gand-ur" since Germanic/Nordic J is pronounced with a Yuh sound (because J was only invented 500 years ago and was put in the name to represent the "iö" sound rather than a hard G like in English.
i would like to add the biblical serpent. it would be fitting if imu was the primordial evil, serpent, who manipulated someone in the ancient kingdom to create the ancient weapons, which could be analogous to the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and devil fruits as well. pair that with the sunlight tree eve and i think you're on to something.
They like to blend myths in One Piece, the Devil in Christian mythology is also strongly associated with snakes, the Ouroboros is an alchemic symbol of infinite.
The moment you said it's waiting for the final battle. Immediately thought it has to be on JoyBoys team. The World Serpent being the enemy of the Gods, would more align with the D clan. Surtr is the final villain in ragnarok. His flames engulf the earth, sounds like mother flame, or shakes since he has a flaming sword.
I feel like the “serpent soaked in blood” is the biggest giveaway, cause in the context of the story to that point, there’s no point in mentioning it other than leaving a clue.
I actually think Imu is the woman, goddess of moon, as opposed to Sun God- Nika, and Eve in the story of Christian mythology. (She can be the Goddess Maya in Sanskrit with means dreams, illusions (imu means dreams). I remember your theory that there are reversed narratives when it comes to stories esp with Usopp. And maybe in their universe, Joyboy and Imu were lovers, but Joyboy want to be free from the responsibilities or free the slaves worldwide, and was banished/left the Paradise or the Ancient Kingdom, idk (as Imu is seen in the Garden of Flowers). I mean, some of the ancient Kingdom were shit, pre-void history like in Tontatta tribe. I also think that Imu has dual personality --- as I think she is actually Boa Hancock in disguise. Feminine has 2 energies with Lilith (dark feminine energy that became Samael/Lucifer's lover) and Eve (Adam's wife and the light feminine energy), and if associated with moon, has 3 personas (Maiden, Mother, and Crone --- Hecate, goddess of witchcraft, Moon and illusions, dreams). Kinda same with Blackbeard with three personality. As being Boa Hancock being Imu, it's the Maiden persona (Kuja - means earth-born, which is similar to Amazonians and Hunters of Artemis, moon goddess, sister of Sun God- Apollo). But I also think that he is Luffy's mom, because it's a big insane plot twist that Luffy's parental lineage is kinda overpowered, well, he's family is insane anyway. While Imu in the Mariejois represented the Crone (wise old hag.) (I have a whole lot explanation, just lazy to type them all)
The wano connection is interesting, especially Orochi. Id bet money humans used to be oppressed by the other races, much as Orochi’s clan was oppressed and lynched by the people of wano.
In Hindu Mythology also; snakes plays a very important role, and among them, the most important is a snake wrapped around the world called Shesh Nag; a huge snake with thousands of heads; it's probably even more powerful than Jorgurmand, as it's other name in Anatha Nag; literally meaning limitless or infinite snake. Although, it's not portrayed as a villain but a loyal companion of Vishnu, the Protector God in the trinity. Interestingly; the strongest attack of Luffy is called Bajrang Gun; named after Hanuman or Bajrangbali; a monkey God in Hinduism who is often referred to as the inspiration behind Sun Wukong; who inturn inspired Goku and Luffy.....
Ive been pushing the mythical zoan snake snake fruit model: ouroboros/jourmagandr as imu's devil fruit agenda for awhile now and am glad to see more theorist considering it and making theories on it other than yuderon. Imu is definitely a snake with alot of serpent and dragon lore in the story and u got dog storm(the Ds) and cat viper(Imu) as a forshadow too. Also for those that play xenoblade(or xenogears) u may notice Ouroboros being a thing in some of the games and in xenoblade chronicles 3 when the protagonists use ouroboros their eyes looks similar to Imu's eyes
I remember back in the simpler days when the Logia devil fruits had the highest power ceilings. Nowadays with divine zoans like dragons, hydras, Phoenixes, sun gods and possibly apocalyptic serpents, the zoans are clearly the superior class of devil fruit. Forget becoming an animal, become a god or legendary creature.
There are also more religions with serpents, and would fit the theory. Lets talk old testment. To start, It is known two great trees exist in One Piece, named Adam & Eve. Even being located in the Red mountain, as her roots are what iluminate fishmen island. Then we have the Devil Fruits, referencing Eve's sin of eating the forbidden fruit. And who made Eve eat the fruit? A serpent. So this is actually a very solid theory that builds upon others
This theory makes so much sense but there is one big problem to it. The Lunarians were said to inhabit the Red Line BEFORE the WG meaning it was already there even before Imu.
@@carmelosmith8782 yes and how exactly does that relate to my comment? Whether those sillhouetes were the 5 elders doesn't change the fact that the Lunarians lived in the Red Line before they got chased away by the WG.
@rouelandrewpulma9799 oh shit I replied to the wrong comment 🤦🏾♂️sorry about that,there was a comment over yours I meant to reply too. And you're 100 percent correct about the lunarains living at the red line
For me I like the idea of awakened paramecia. Something really weak that becomes super strong when awakened. So Awakened Paramecia where whatever Imu draws becomes reality, he can draw him with a huge body or a snake like figure. But he can also draw the pages of the Manga. He can make the borders super small until he crushes people or he can make them wide open.
I didn’t even have to begin the video, just reading the title my mind said FUCK YES! This is the kind of theory I’ve thought about SINCE LITTLE GARDEN!!! Can’t wait to watch
Yeah I definitely think he has this jourganamdr fruit, another parallel I thought of that can also hint towards him having a serpent based fruit is that genesis book ivankov brought out a few chapters ago, what if that book also has a version of the biblical serpent like in the actual Bible
So there is a very long popular theory on reddit by a guy named africhic that basically was written as an ending for someone dying father. In the theory he comes to the conclusion that the red line is a combination of jormunngander and the bakuwana, a serpant that ate moons and that redline is Jormungander. His theory is that the one piece is a world filled iwth people from the 7 moons that once existed (6 of them being eaten by snake) and that the creation of the red line by the 20 kingdoms was teh decision to encase the snake around the world to create red line. The theory goes into a lot of depth and was written at the time of wano, and is worth read. He has it pinned to his user id.
Another interesting thing (maybe) is that Enel had a lightening devil fruit, And some eels (basically sea snakes) can generate electricity. And skypia foreshadows alot of one piece.
I think the Snake parallels should end with the power the Red Line represents, but I feel like Oda wouldn't base the end game villain in one single mythology (eve tho he was inspired by vicki the VIKING and likes to name drop norse figures, that is only surface level). The most important figures in the OP world, like Nika I feel like Oda would reserve for his own creation.
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the red line was there B4 Imu cuz of the lunarians living there, the red line IS the world snake turned to stone by the love love fruit & why black beard is after boas powers
@@mrelast9765Perhaps it could have been added onto.
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Imu's devil fruit being a serpent is a good theory Morj.
Its a very nice theory. Im still thinking the redline was brought down from another land and flooded the land. Im excited to learn the truth.
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Nope still gets one shotted by the true god of the verse big daddy Shanks
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With the most widely known serpent in the series being the "Sea King", Imu as the "King of The World" having a mythical serpent fruit would make so much sense. I'm investing
Now that I think about it, Luffy's first fight in the series is against a sea king haha
@@MrMorj Maybe Imu’s fruit could be the sea king. Like instead of specifically the Jormungandr, the fruit is basically the same thing but a deity specific to One Piece, much like Nika is. So it would be heavily based on the Jormungandr, but with some elements such as the leviathan or the biblical serpent. And this deity could be the Sea King. As Ima is literally the king of the sea, and the first sea king we see is a serpent as stated above. This also ties in with the Mother Sea hating other fruits idea, as the Sea king could be possibly be this mother sea Vegapunk’s talking about. So everything else in Morj’s theory still works, there’s just a slight change.
well, and if Imu made the redline, he would have the ability to swim through the sea
@@MrMorj Btw it is pronounced Yormungander
@@MrMorj I think that was a regular sea monster,. sea kings are portrayed as being able to easily sink Marine warships and are much larger than the creature Luffy OHKOed
Something I would like to add is that in both Wano and Shandia, the citizens lived under the belief that they were ruled by an benevolent deity until that deity was killed. The same thing would likely happen once Imu was revealed.
I believe everyone hated Orochi? or am I wrong?
@@ogo5516 Not the people in the Flower Capital. Everywhere else though, yes.
the people of flower capital hated Orochi as well
@@henrypeters5291 since I believe most were praying/wishing that Orochi's reign would end during the fire festival. I believe doflamingo would fit the bill the best when it comes to an evil ruler being believed to be benevolent be his people.
@@phrostgang2117 you dont remember the children singing and talking shit about oden and his followers?
I like that Imu creating the Red Line also makes sense thematically: it literally symbolizes Imu strangling the world, works as both a metaphor for the rule of the WG and a literal obstruction to traveling the world
The great red serpent that Dorry and Brogy mention is WAY too specific in my opinion for it not to be referencing the red line.
Egyptian mythology also has a similar world ending event which I feels also ties in especially with vivi now involved. Ra ( the god of the sun) sails on his sun ship(sunny) with the other gods with must battle the serpent of chaos and darkness, and the original god before the sun came to be (apothikis) and if the serpent won he would then wrap himself around the world and swallow it into an age of chaos and darkness once more
This also corresponds to Babylonian mythology where Marduk who’s name means “immortal Son of Utu (sun god)” who killed Timat and built the world from her body. This could symbolize Luffy defeating the world Serpent and creating a new world from its body (destroying the grand line)
okay this is just nuts how much stuff could tie together
Good theory! Something that might make the case even stronger is that having Imu be a snake doubles as the Biblical serpent from the book of Genesis. The devil fruits themselves seem to have some connection to the fruit that the literal devil offered Eve, and of course OP has the Adam and Eve trees that might well play an important role in its lore as well. So that in a way makes Imu like Satan, and the mythical snake fruit could well be the OG devil fruit (at least by implication) - quite a fitting endgame opponent on that front as weal!
My thoughts exactly. There's too much Abrahamic references to not have it intersect if Imu is a serpent god.
and if Imu spreads devil fruits, Kaido did that on smaller scale
A garden & forbidden fruits...
@@kneauFallen Serpent 🐍 Model Regnakco /__\ Dark Prince = Awakened Reverse Moon 🌙 🌚 🌚🌙 Evil Princess Monoke version 😂 . Love your comment though.
Imu is actually a giant sea dragon with lipstick she's only human because of the human human fruit mythical zoan sea devil!!!
The J in Jormangander is pronounced as a Y
He needs to finish gow lmao
I'm in physical pain hearing him say it
@@martinpfefferle2558 I know it hurt aye
@@martinpfefferle2558same
Is that how Swedish/norweigan is? Like how j in Spanish if h and w in French is v
I think Garling's appearance could be a clever hint to this Ragnarok. There's a popular myth that a red moon represents an omen of cataclysm. And a red moon is usually seen just before the dawn. The God's Knights being mobilized is what Dragon was afraid of, perhaps because it signals that Ragnarok is at hand. That this unseen God is soon to make it's play.
A red moon... A red Haired Figarland exists yoo
Imu is actually a giant sea dragon with lipstick she's only human because of the human human fruit mythical zoan sea devil!!!
So she's the red soaked serpent but prefers to be in her human form!!! She looks like a goddess, and she tricked the 20 kingdoms with bribery of devil fruits in order to help her defeat joy, boy!!!!
how did Imu create the Redline if the Lunarians lived on top of it before celestial dragons?
I beleive the Red Line was once hovering above the planet and Imu brought it down
There couldve just been a mountain where castle pangea is, and the rest of the red lije being artificial
This
“On top” could also be “above” Lunarian meaning “Of the moon” just some thoughts
Oh right, I did not think about that. That make sense
Perhaps the Zoan isn't Jormungandr, but Tiamat.
In Mesopotamian myth, Tiamat was the primordial goddess of the ocean, the abyss and chaos, the great serpent or dragon. Coupled with her mate, Abzu, she created the rest of the gods, when the world was an endless sea.
The gods killed Abzu, enraging Tiamat, who birthed teeming hordes of monsters to command. The gods eventually killed Tiamat, and formed a new order out of her reign of chaos. Thus, we have our own world.
Going by this idea, the war for the Dawn would be a retelling of this myth, with the rest of the gods (the Strawhats) teaming up to fight and kill Tiamat (Imu) and her legion of monsters (Gorosei and CD).
This would work with Imu being "mother ocean", as she would be a holder of the "ocean goddess" Zoan, and would hate other DF users for being the "gods" that enraged her originally, or potentially stealing "divinity" for themselves.
Hell, perhaps Imu knows how to create Devil Fruits at will, and bestowed Zoans onto the Gorosei, thus making them her "monstrous children".
This would fit better if Tiamat was a Lunarian that the CDs killed to steal divinity.
This is better
@@sttate Perhaps it could be cyclical, with the CD's killing the Lunarians, and the Strawhats defeating the CD's.
Did I remember it wrong but is Vegapunk not able to create artificial DF? Also fruit as in the forbidden apple since a lot of one piece is influenced by numerous religions
it's not gonna be Tiamat its just gonna be called the Sea King fruit. Luffy's first fight the whole series is against a Sea King/ serpent of the coasts or whatever its name is
Love you Morj, but we gotta work on looking up how to pronounce the Nordic words as part of the research 😂
HAHAHA WAS LITERALLY ABOUT TO TYPE THIS. I often forget how American morj is, but then he’ll hit me with his pronounciation of Buddha or shiva or something
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Considering Morj constantly mispronounces words from One Piece, I wouldn't hold my breath!
been saying that Imu will have some snake themes on him. The Red Line immediately reminded me of Jormunggandr, glad other people are seeing something alike. Great t!
The red line was implied to have been existing since before the formation of the government as it was called the home of the gods by Whitebeard
Imu is someone who was most likely born in the latter half of the void century, so it can't possibly be them who created the red line.
@@11junkyardI mean to be fair we dont know how long imu has been around, I think he/she was actually around during the void century
@@musabs5848 He's from the Nerona family, so it's fair to assume he was a 30-40 year old ruler before the ruling families defeated the ancient kingdom to build Mariejois atop the red line. "Latter half of the void century", I mentioned this in my orginal post above too.
Whitebeard implied that the red line was home to the Lunarians much before Mariejois' existence, so there's that
@@11junkyard True, and the Land of the Gods is analog to The Empyrean from Dante's Divin Comedy, as we can see from the other namings acording to the cosmoly in Gorosei's
Imu is a balding goat
Lunarians lived on top of the Red Line before the events of the void century, so no way Imu made it, right? Plus, Nami says that the Red Line should be thought of as more like a huge string of connected islands with their own weather, rather than just one big continent, which makes it more likely that whatever was used to raise the walls around Wano was used in a big way to do that. Definitely could see some aspects of this coming through, but Oda never takes 1:1 from anything, I mean he just combined Hanuman with Bugs Bunny lol
Also, the gates leading up reverse mountain have snakes carved into them, and they're the exact same style as the snakes on the murals on the moon, soooo.... I'm not sure where this is going but I'm imagining some absolutely insane space pirate terraforming project
True! Maybe the red line was more like individual islands before, and that is where the lunarians lived. Then shit went down and the lunarians died and the red line was enclosed. Either by Imu, or by Joyboy stretching them together.
my theory is that Imu created the redline from the red moon. It was the land of the gods the lunarians used to live on in the distant past. The lunarians (name derived from moon) were the true gods in the heavens.
Maybe Imu used multiple moons hence multiple weather patterns
People forget about Oars the continent mover.
Imu is actually a giant sea dragon with lipstick she's only human because of the human human fruit mythical zoan sea devil!!!
So she's the red soaked serpent but prefers to be in her human form!!! She looks like a goddess, and she tricked the 20 kingdoms with bribery of devil fruits in order to help her defeat joy, boy!!!!
I think one nice thing to add here is the concept of leviathan as a snake like sea monster. I think many in the comments already talked about it so I won’t but a nice thing to add here is the book from the important philosopher Thomas Hobbes called leviathan. In which he talkes about the society and it’s needs for security he postulates people giving up there inherent freedoms to a mighty sovereign which delivers security for the people by oppressing them but also by doing this preventing the people to fight among themselves.
I think this adds greatly to the idear of the video and what’s happening with the government oppressions marine self legitimization of bringing peace and justice. Also it’s fits perfectly the theme of getting freedom back by killing the sovereign which is called leviathan in the book ergo a see serpent ergo another name for Imu
@@theonlyholly3well then surely you haven't read Hobbes either ya goober.
Mighty fine detail IMO considering Oda's history of referencing similar literature
@@theonlyholly3 :(
Also emphasizes the idea of people of nature being inherently free, Hobbes had a bit of a racist bent when describing Native Americans. The Will of D. being Natural Enemies of God (Imu) is also a Biblical reference for Moses saying those who oppose Yahweh are "Natural men" or "men of nature"
@@nichoudhaIt's actually interesting how perfectly it mirrors the bible (the book itself not the modern perception of it) where God is said to be all good and pure, but demands worship and servitude until the day you die, otherwise he sends his people to kill you (marines) enslave you (Celestial dragons) or if you fight back enough, kill you himself (the mother flame, the flood theory, etc)
Ironically enough, despite the serpent look, Imu is the most biblically accurate god I've ever seen!
If the Red Line is the "serpent" in a sense, wouldn't it then also make sense that reverse mountain is the first "scar" left on that serpent? Similar to Kaido's wound
Oooooh i like
It maybe like oroborus the point where the snakes mouth is biting its tail
@@thewillofdreams6921 reaaaaally sick concept holy
I like the idea. Also fits nicely with a Shanks battle / possible death since Shanks is littered with Norse mythology symbolism.
Viking ship, lost arm like Tyr and has an Odin symbolism for his scarred eye (Odin sacrificed an eye for magic knowledge, Shanks almost lost an eye to BB but has gained insight on how dangerous he is and what his ambitions are).
If the symbolism holds true, Shanks will die to someone with canine powers (Tyr dies to Garm, Odin dies to Fenrir).
Its possible that in One Piece oda will have garm as blackbeard, luffy as fenrir/baldr and odin as saturn
There are 2 other mythical comparisons to imu having some form of serpent associations. The christian re-interpertation of the garden of eden story, the devil takes the form of the serpent who tempts eve which fits in the sea devil theory and the adam & eve trees. The other one is Apophis from egyptian mythology, who is also an evil serpent, specifically, the end of the world in egyptian mythology is said to begin when Apophis devours Ra, the egyptian sun god. I'd argue that its still more likely though that Imu's fruit is referred to as the sea devil, and said devil takes the form of a serpent fitting the christian reinterpertation of the garden of eden.
or it is just a combination of all three of these. maybe the temptation thing with the apple is linked to the first devil fruit somehow
I was thinking Tiamat. That serpent is the goddess of the primordial ocean, and if you want to keep the Christian interpretation, Leviathan is the Eden serpent, and is sometimes considered an expy of Tiamat.
@@DrakusLuthos there are alot of indo european dragons that could fit the serpent role, apophis just stood out to me for having specifically a myth that includes devouring the sun. especially since imu has a connection to the nefertaris who come from the very egyptian inspired alabasta
Maybe Imu is the representation of multiple religious cultures.
Imu is the World Serpent, Tiamat and the Antichrist as an idea all at once. The final battle for the world against the leader who restores the world is Luffy The Sun God. Son of God, reborn is joyboy as was Jesus, as he will rise again to destroy the Antichrist and set the world free.
Giants are usually Seraphim in the bible, half angels half human. Maybe the giants were on Imus side initially and Joyboy brought them freedom.
Just the amount of Religious texts Oda would have had to have read to make this story work is incredible.
@@seewn6046 Giant half-angels are the Nephilim, not the Seraphim.
The Nephilim were created by the Watchers mating with humans, and are one reason for the Flood. The Seraphim are the six-winged flaming angels that fly around God, singing and praising.
Shanks captains the Red Force, with the head of a red serpent in Norse style. He isn't particularly associated with his family, but the Figurlands are a perhaps all red haired family of celestial dragons who seem to be prominent amongst the rest. Unless that's just Garling due to his personal ability...
Great theory Morj, but I have some things to say about this:
1.- ''The norse battle of Ragnarok is supossed to conclude with the world serpent being slain''. Well, Jormundgander doesn't even have a prominent role during Ragnarok since it's basically a battle royale. Jormundgander fights Thor and they kill eachother, but that's not the end of Ragnarok, nor the most important battle.
2.- ''As in norse mythology Jormundgander is essentially a world ending threat. This is a creature that is basically the final villain of all Norse mytholgy''. Again, no. Jormundgander isn't the final villain, and the serpent is arguably not even stronger than Fenrir, another of Loki's descendant that also played a role in Ragnarok.
3.- You call Jormundgander ''final evil'', but we have no evidence of the serpent being actually evil. He is just a huge serpent, and we have no evidence that he had malevolent thoughts. Apart from Ragnarok, he never had any behavior other than that of a huge animal. And he, unlike other monsters in norse mythology, was destined to fight in Ragnarok probably for the simple reason that he was the son of Loki, the true instigator of Ragnarok.
4.- For me the main problem with this theory is that we already have a clear reference to Jormundgander in the manga: Nola. A large snake with a lot of physical power that shares appearance with the mythologycal snake and the ability to spit venom. As if that weren't enough, Enel used an attack called 'Thor' against Nola in reference to the battle between the god and the giant snake during Ragnarok.
5.- In my opinion it doesn't make much sense that the final villain of One Piece is based on a single mythology. Furthermore, I don't think Imu It's based on any mythology that we know of, for the mere reason that it wouldn't make much sense for the god Nika, a specific One Piece deity, to face Jormundgander or any other obvious mythological reference. It would be weird imo.
In any case, this is an interesting theory, but I wanted to clarify some points about norse mythology. Good job, Morj.
PS: English is not my first language so sorry for my spelling and grammar mistakes. Have a nice day
Yea morj shouldnt have base too much of this theory on Jormungandr from norse myth per se but the Ouroboros in general as the Ouroboros is represented in many cultures and oda will create his own version of it just like he has with the sun god
- Imu used Divide and Conquer
- Its super effective
You forget, the Lunarians existed atop the Red Line before or diring the void Century.
Theres then also the mirroring in chapter 1 of Shanks starring down a seasnake and losing his arm for the new era when Luffy will face the final seasnake for the new dawn!
As someone who’s been thinking about the red line being the world serpent, I’m glad to see this video.
Great theory as always Morj! I'm glad those hours of God of War are paying off 😂. I totally forgot about that "great serpent" call out on Little Garden though. That's a great catch
Another interesting note is when we first meet Kaido, he begins by announcing wanting to start the greatest war the world has ever seen. Kaido has a serpent like fruit, so that could have been a foreshadowing towards Imu starting off the greatest war the world has ever seen. Also, another thing I thought about was Kaido fell from a Sky Island. Which could be a foreshadowing towards Skypias old serpent god, and since Imu thinks of themselves as a god. They could also have a serpent like fruit to connect in the same sort of way? I don't know if what I am saying makes any sense. I hope it does. Let me know if something needs to be clarified. Also, I doubt I am the only one who thought of this, so I don't take any credit on this theory.
Imu with Hello Fresh might as well be the strongest ancient weapon 😂
On addition to norse mythology, this could also be rooted in egyptian mythology.
There, a giant snake god Apophis/Apep wishes to devour the sun. Ra, the sun god must fight him every day so that there could be a new dawn the next day. Just like how Luffy, the sun god Nika will fight Imu to ensure a new dawn.
Less we forget Marco did mentioned Whitebeard heard about “gods” living atop the red line before CDs and it was hinted and heavily implied to be Lunarians. So the Redline maybe artificial but not created by CDs
Exactly
This is an amazing theory. Love the parallels and how they mirror Little Garden. Hope this is true!
kind of amazed that you didn’t once highlight the fact that Kaido’s attacks often include the word “Ragnarok”
Blackbeard being a kraken and Imu being Jormungandr would just fit so perfectly. Theres no agenda I back more than this
The fucking hello fresh tie in LMAO
Like with a previous video I think the Lunarians throw a wrench in this. We are told they occupied the Red Line previously and what little we get of King in the Kaido flashback it seems like they were allies of Joyboy. So the Redline should ha e already existed during the Void Century. Really Kunarians living there calls a lot of older theories into question.
The “serpent coated in blood” theme lines up with the “red” line
Linus couldnt fathom that sponsor segway, had me yelling out loud hahahaha!
would be cool? but whenever i think of Luffy vs. Imu i ask what can Imu do against Gear 5? does a world serpent stand a chance? is it too redundant after Kaido for a big end to the series? i like the idea of a Devil but what would that devil be able to do...
All of the "Red Line is man made" videos forget that the Lunarians were already living on Mary Geoise before the defeat of the great kingdom.
The Red Line was already there before the 19 families took over.
okay that transition into Hello Fresh was absolute FIRE. that was CLEAN
the red line was there B4 Imu cuz of the lunarians living there, the red line IS the world snake turned to stone by the love love fruit & why black beard is after boas powers
I found it super hilarious that in the end big mom got defeated by Law (and Kid), and you could spell out from it that Napoleon got defeated by Trafalgar D. Water Law (Trafalgar and Waterloo). So maybe it is similar to Luffy's Thor attack and Imu's power. (I know it is a stretch, but I would find it still hilarious). (I always found that naming out of place.)
That ad read and transition had me laughing out loud Morj!
shirtless Morj looking kinda 😳
(Commented before watching video)Giant serpents / dragons like tiamat, leviathan, and Jormungander are associated with chaos and the ocean so I always felt that Imu had a tiamat fruit or something. Dragons and serpents are also associated with chaos, immortality, power, and temptation and sometimes fire. Some verses of the bible also imply that leviathan has multiple heads and breathes fire like how Imu was able to no sell Sabo's attack. Also keep in mind in the book of revelations, the first beast, also known as the beast from the sea has the body of a leopard like Rob Lucci.
In revelation Satan is also referred to as the fiery colored dragon who Michael the archangel first casts down from Heaven along with his demons (referred to as stars/celestials) and then battles and defeats in the war of Armageddon
@@josiahbaumgartner7643 I didnt lnow that satans army is reffered to as stars and celestails, thats cool.
@@josesosa3337 yeah it says he dragged 1/3 off the stars of Heaven with him. This is understood to be symbolically referring to Satan converting 1/3 of the angels to his cause as demons
Morj after the raid theory putting up prime wilt numbers😂🔥bangers after bangers🐐
So one piece being a snake charming instrument would be consistent with the emphasis on music through the series😮
Morj finished god of war and went "waaaaaait a second"
*minute
I think, similar to Nika, it won't be called "Jormungandr" but this would likely be a massive inspiration for the fictional Serpent God that Imu's fruit is.
This is also prevalent with Egyptian mythology dealing with the God of chaos / darkness Apophis … enemy of the Gods. Diving deeper into Egyptian lore, you could argue that black beard has similarities to Set and luffy has similarities to Horus. Both natural born enemies but eventually have to team up to bring down the ultimate chaos in the world … Morj you should take a deep dive into Egyptian lore. ODA relates damn near the entire story of one piece to it, even tying together the void century , ancient tech and knowledge with Atlantis (ancient Egypt)
Most mythologies have a giant serpent in them. Hell, in Egyptian mythology Apophis, a giant snake and the Egyptian god of Chaos and Disarray, is fated to bring about the Apocalypse after eating the sun god: Amun-Ra.
There is also the great serpent of Delphi that in Greek mythology that was slain by Apollo, the sun god (Artemis helped).
Gonna throw a wrench in your theory, wasn't it stated by Marco that he was told by Whitebeard that the Lunarians used to live on the Redline before the celestial dragons? That would mean Imu couldn't have created the Red Line? Granted we still don't know much about Imu so maybe they are lunarian who knows lol
Yes, Morj didn't research that part
Lunar means moon so maybe the red line came from the moon and lunarians used to live up there. This would also explain the sky people coming from the moon. One thing we do know is they would’ve had to come down before or during the clic century because the shandorians have a poneglyph
Yea morj goofed on that, it doesnt hurt the theory per se tho as Imu still benefits from the red line existing even if he didnt create it while still having the Jormungandr fruit
We do know that people can be wrong about stuff in universe, like Jabra thinking the devils in your devil fruit will fight each other, and so on. Whitebeard could just have been wrong about lunarians potentially
@@garrettgrisso8180 Unless what Roger learnt at Laugh Tale was wrong, WB should be correct here since the source of this info for him should be that conversation with Roger we saw during Marineford
seeing dory and broggy says great serpent soaked in blood convinced me 100% i didn’t even need the rest of the video. clear now that it’s the red line
Personally I think Tiamat “the mother of the sea” & one of the “creator gods” etc etc.. would also fit Imu exceptionally well, & honestly so would Leviathan too, being the dragon sea god etc.. but I think something like Tiamat would fit best personally
My favorite one piece theory is that the source of devil fruits and also Imus power, originate from dream energy. Like in the xbox 360 game Asuras wrath, mantra is the power system, and it is comprised of the thoughts, prayers, and emotions of all beings, and on it's own, that power is only weak resonating vibrations that lie in abundance all around us. However the due to technical advancements they invented mantra reactors which capture mantra and turn it into an incredible source of energy. So then you get demigods which are cyborgs powered by mantra capable of destroying the planet. The seven deities were cruel however, and often killed humans to harvest their soul directly for a huge amount of mantra. What do we see big mom do, harvest souls directly for a large power up. Another big thing in asuras wrath is that Asura and the emperor are betrayed, and the self proclaimed seven deities rule over the world for 12,000 years only for asura to finally return and set things straight. I think that in one piece dreams are similar to mantra, and when there is an extreme amount of that 'dream energy' it actually manifests into physical matter, which according to Einstein's theory could happen. So basically these devil fruits are what mantra reactors are for demigods in asuras wrath, just tools that allow access to the immense latent dream energy in one piece. Off course imu has special technology that allows him access to this power without needing devil fruits, and he keeps the world in this post apocalyptical state because people will dream even more, which gives him more power, and that would explain how he's lived this long.
One thing about grand line is , it's revealed that before celestial dragon lunarins lived there , though we can say they later moved to the moon due to unknown reasons, we still get the hint that red line existed even before celestials moved there
Great video with major connection’s brought up from previous arcs mirroring future arcs
My take: The Great Serpent soaked in Blood Is litteraly the Red line and It represents the Ouroboros, the Snake of eternity that eats Its own Tail.
Jormungandr Is the Norse take on the Ouroboros.
But the Ouroboros was also known in ancient Egypt (aka Alabasta).
It's a recurrent figure in many mitologies and has tons of references in mondern culture. Even in science.
It could very well be that the Red Line Is actual body of the Ouroboros. Maybe Im is the One Who killed/defeated the snake and caused the Apocalypse, which destoryed the ancient Kingdom.
Also, I would consider Amazon Lily as a direct reference to Snake mitology in One Piece. They use Snake as weapons, they are guided by "gorgons", they even have LILY in the name of the country and their leader Is a former slave, freed by the future leader of the Sun Pirates, which is genetichaly in love with the new Joy Boy. ... Like... Come on.
Oroboros also snake of chaos. With helps from Potara earrings it becomes Jormunoboros
Morj promoting both Hello Fresh and Factor reminds me of Dave Chapelle’s joke about doing commercials for both Coca Cola and Pepsi
It's Morjin time
I like this theory cause the first thing luffy did on his journey was punch a giant snake sea monster thing so him ending his journey doing the same thing would be an insane parallel
Holy shit. Lord of the coast.
Imu ate the Charmander-fruit, what!? 😳
This kinda also helps understand why the 19 families call themselves celestial dragons
One more thing that may not be a coincidence is that both arcs have 3 serpents and the youngest of the 3 being good . In Jaya those are the first 2 snakes that were cut down and the 3rd lil one being friendly who later protected the land once it grew up , in wano it's momo who was introduced as a small dragon who grew up and lifted the island, so are there 2 more serpants ?
When Luffy used that move named after Thor, I couldn’t help but think this.
Morj's Ad Sponsors are shedding tears of satisfaction from Morj's professional marketing 😂
the ancient weapons is under the red line and plutoon is the key to control it
I thought Morj was going to say Imu challenged the World to a Davy Backfight
Out of all the theories ive been munching on youtube for months now this is the one that sounds the most logical !
Bro nobody talks about the panel where the shadow is slithering under the straight arrow
This was the best sponsor ad yet
That segue to HelloFresh was the best I've ever seen 🤣🤣🤣
I'm sure many many people have said but it's pronounced "Yor-Mun-Gand-ur" since Germanic/Nordic J is pronounced with a Yuh sound (because J was only invented 500 years ago and was put in the name to represent the "iö" sound rather than a hard G like in English.
i would like to add the biblical serpent. it would be fitting if imu was the primordial evil, serpent, who manipulated someone in the ancient kingdom to create the ancient weapons, which could be analogous to the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and devil fruits as well. pair that with the sunlight tree eve and i think you're on to something.
They like to blend myths in One Piece, the Devil in Christian mythology is also strongly associated with snakes, the Ouroboros is an alchemic symbol of infinite.
The moment you said it's waiting for the final battle. Immediately thought it has to be on JoyBoys team. The World Serpent being the enemy of the Gods, would more align with the D clan.
Surtr is the final villain in ragnarok. His flames engulf the earth, sounds like mother flame, or shakes since he has a flaming sword.
Doesnt shanks have a flaming sword🤔
No wonder Shanks lost his arm to a Sea Serpent. The foreshadowing.😂
"Joer-man-gander" lol
I feel like the “serpent soaked in blood” is the biggest giveaway, cause in the context of the story to that point, there’s no point in mentioning it other than leaving a clue.
Man that was a good segway that didn't feel hamfisted
Very believable given all of the evidence and reasoning for each. Morj is on to something here. Well done. Creative and smart.👏
I actually think Imu is the woman, goddess of moon, as opposed to Sun God- Nika, and Eve in the story of Christian mythology. (She can be the Goddess Maya in Sanskrit with means dreams, illusions (imu means dreams). I remember your theory that there are reversed narratives when it comes to stories esp with Usopp. And maybe in their universe, Joyboy and Imu were lovers, but Joyboy want to be free from the responsibilities or free the slaves worldwide, and was banished/left the Paradise or the Ancient Kingdom, idk (as Imu is seen in the Garden of Flowers). I mean, some of the ancient Kingdom were shit, pre-void history like in Tontatta tribe.
I also think that Imu has dual personality --- as I think she is actually Boa Hancock in disguise. Feminine has 2 energies with Lilith (dark feminine energy that became Samael/Lucifer's lover) and Eve (Adam's wife and the light feminine energy), and if associated with moon, has 3 personas (Maiden, Mother, and Crone --- Hecate, goddess of witchcraft, Moon and illusions, dreams). Kinda same with Blackbeard with three personality.
As being Boa Hancock being Imu, it's the Maiden persona (Kuja - means earth-born, which is similar to Amazonians and Hunters of Artemis, moon goddess, sister of Sun God- Apollo). But I also think that he is Luffy's mom, because it's a big insane plot twist that Luffy's parental lineage is kinda overpowered, well, he's family is insane anyway. While Imu in the Mariejois represented the Crone (wise old hag.)
(I have a whole lot explanation, just lazy to type them all)
The wano connection is interesting, especially Orochi. Id bet money humans used to be oppressed by the other races, much as Orochi’s clan was oppressed and lynched by the people of wano.
In Hindu Mythology also; snakes plays a very important role, and among them, the most important is a snake wrapped around the world called Shesh Nag; a huge snake with thousands of heads; it's probably even more powerful than Jorgurmand, as it's other name in Anatha Nag; literally meaning limitless or infinite snake. Although, it's not portrayed as a villain but a loyal companion of Vishnu, the Protector God in the trinity. Interestingly; the strongest attack of Luffy is called Bajrang Gun; named after Hanuman or Bajrangbali; a monkey God in Hinduism who is often referred to as the inspiration behind Sun Wukong; who inturn inspired Goku and Luffy.....
Not gonna lie...Gomu Gomu no Ragnarök would be an awesome last finisher name
Morj video titles reaching ohara levels of absurd 💀
Ive been pushing the mythical zoan snake snake fruit model: ouroboros/jourmagandr as imu's devil fruit agenda for awhile now and am glad to see more theorist considering it and making theories on it other than yuderon. Imu is definitely a snake with alot of serpent and dragon lore in the story and u got dog storm(the Ds) and cat viper(Imu) as a forshadow too. Also for those that play xenoblade(or xenogears) u may notice Ouroboros being a thing in some of the games and in xenoblade chronicles 3 when the protagonists use ouroboros their eyes looks similar to Imu's eyes
I remember back in the simpler days when the Logia devil fruits had the highest power ceilings. Nowadays with divine zoans like dragons, hydras, Phoenixes, sun gods and possibly apocalyptic serpents, the zoans are clearly the superior class of devil fruit. Forget becoming an animal, become a god or legendary creature.
There are also more religions with serpents, and would fit the theory. Lets talk old testment.
To start, It is known two great trees exist in One Piece, named Adam & Eve. Even being located in the Red mountain, as her roots are what iluminate fishmen island.
Then we have the Devil Fruits, referencing Eve's sin of eating the forbidden fruit. And who made Eve eat the fruit? A serpent.
So this is actually a very solid theory that builds upon others
How do you think this theory ties in with the Kuja pirates? Specifically Hancock and her sisters?
The way Morj pronounces Jormungandr is just 💀
If this theory is right, the red line might be the skin shedding of Jormungndr
This theory makes so much sense but there is one big problem to it. The Lunarians were said to inhabit the Red Line BEFORE the WG meaning it was already there even before Imu.
You do know 3:04 is the 5 elders
@@carmelosmith8782 yes and how exactly does that relate to my comment? Whether those sillhouetes were the 5 elders doesn't change the fact that the Lunarians lived in the Red Line before they got chased away by the WG.
@rouelandrewpulma9799 oh shit I replied to the wrong comment 🤦🏾♂️sorry about that,there was a comment over yours I meant to reply too. And you're 100 percent correct about the lunarains living at the red line
For me I like the idea of awakened paramecia. Something really weak that becomes super strong when awakened.
So Awakened Paramecia where whatever Imu draws becomes reality, he can draw him with a huge body or a snake like figure. But he can also draw the pages of the Manga. He can make the borders super small until he crushes people or he can make them wide open.
maybe he has the oda oda fruit :P
Oh my. The battle of reality-warpers between Imu and Luffy. I think it's going to be like Evangelion at the end, only more positive lol.
I didn’t even have to begin the video, just reading the title my mind said FUCK YES! This is the kind of theory I’ve thought about SINCE LITTLE GARDEN!!! Can’t wait to watch
Yeah I definitely think he has this jourganamdr fruit, another parallel I thought of that can also hint towards him having a serpent based fruit is that genesis book ivankov brought out a few chapters ago, what if that book also has a version of the biblical serpent like in the actual Bible
I took Dory and Broggy saying "the serpent drenched in Blood" just them calling the Red Line that. They can't destroy the Red Line
So there is a very long popular theory on reddit by a guy named africhic that basically was written as an ending for someone dying father. In the theory he comes to the conclusion that the red line is a combination of jormunngander and the bakuwana, a serpant that ate moons and that redline is Jormungander. His theory is that the one piece is a world filled iwth people from the 7 moons that once existed (6 of them being eaten by snake) and that the creation of the red line by the 20 kingdoms was teh decision to encase the snake around the world to create red line. The theory goes into a lot of depth and was written at the time of wano, and is worth read. He has it pinned to his user id.
Another interesting thing (maybe) is that Enel had a lightening devil fruit, And some eels (basically sea snakes) can generate electricity. And skypia foreshadows alot of one piece.
I think the Snake parallels should end with the power the Red Line represents, but I feel like Oda wouldn't base the end game villain in one single mythology (eve tho he was inspired by vicki the VIKING and likes to name drop norse figures, that is only surface level). The most important figures in the OP world, like Nika I feel like Oda would reserve for his own creation.
BTW we've seen Imu at the end of Thriller bark (God Valley)! the mysterious 3 head creatures that were looking at the straw hats!