4:14 You are seeing *close to 1/8"* on one end of the tie rod. It's actually close to 1/4" because both tie rod ends are moving out as you turn the rod. 1/4 turn, per side, should give you about 1/4" difference.
Informative and brief video, thank you! Just got me an SP450 quad with wheels angling way inwards, and when riding it feels like the slightest wrong movement of the steering will send me flying sideways
How do you know your initial bad toe adjustment wasn’t all in one wheel? That is why it’s suggested that the toe is set from square of the rear wheels by pulling strings or long straight edge from the rear to extend past the front wheels. Measure from the strings or straight edge to set the toe and then you will know your front end is square from the rear and slightly toed in. It’s a little harder to do it that way but at least it will be correct. Some times the front tires will interfere and you have to get creative. I’m lucky enough to have extra rims so I just remove the front tires install two bare rims making toe adjustment measurements easy and accurate. Just something to think about!
You need to make sure your wheels are aligned prior to toe adjustment, toe is the last item. You are doing an align and toe together which is fine. Just a little more work if you are not needing an alignment. Once your alignment is set, it usually stays that way. My reference here was toe only. Thanks for the comment though, it all helps everyone.
For all the people mentioning only adjusting one side that will throw your steering wheel off. (Past Semi truck, trailer & auto alignment. I'm not an ATV mechanic but same still applies.)
By means of this method you arrange the toe-in and toe-out but you do not solve the case where one front wheel is more open or more closed with respect to the other front wheel. am I wrong?
Yes, this keeps them from getting that way. If one is off from the other, then you need run a straight edge from the rear wheel to the front and make sure they are parallel with each other. Be sure your handlebars are straight when you do this. Once the fronts are aligned with the rears, adjust your toe in.
Question...i want to get +2 alba a arms but confused about what to do with the front shocks.i have a standard 700 with pogo sticks...yfz450 shocks, raptor 700r adjustable shocks or is it ok to keep my standard pogo sticks? Do you have any insights on this question?
You can use your existing shocks, you want to make sure the a arm are for standard shocks. Upgrading your shocks is a huge benefit but expensive. Going to +2 arms is nice as you can also go with the long travel option if available. This gives you really good suspension but again, expensive. Best advice is to plan ahead on what you're going to do so you don't waste money. You can definitely go with +2 and stock shocks, then upgrade shocks at a later date if you wish. You don't want to get custom shocks then upgrade your arms or you will have to have the shocks re valved again. Custom valved shocks are the best upgrade but should be the final suspension upgrade.
I did all these are more things , But still pulling to left even 2 different shops tried to alignment and check everything but they could not find the problem. also the ATV is brand new 2024 . Not used/
That sucks. Couple things to check is make sure tire pressures are same on both sides, fronts the same, and rears the same, check the hiegth of your rear tires to make sure they are the same, could be a mfg issue with tire. Also, visibly check that your rear axle has your rear tires pointing straight and not cocked to one side, then jack up the back and roll the tires in neutral to make sure they roll smoothly and that the rear carrier bearing is not shot. Just a couple ideas.
@Team2Gils will check the back again tomorrow , for the front, I checked everything. Can be a tire problem which can't do anything about it. Tnx for info.
Headlight protectors came from Amazon. They had several to choose from. They are petty thick and the headlights are still supposed to be fairly bright at night but never tried that. I just wanted something to protect the lens and these looked cool.
What psi are you running? And whats your thoughts on balancing tires? I have the gbc xc master tires 21x7x10 front 20x11x9 rear on oem wheels for the time being. I was told that I should have them balanced but never really heard of it on ATV tire's..
Great video as usual thx! I want yo ask you where did you fit your ignition key? I just bought precision shock & vibe stabilizer and I think the stock plastic holder will not fit anymore. Another question is where did you get the "shields" for the precision steering stem stabilizer? Thank you very much!
Rock Speed has a nice ignition holder. I started to make one but gave up and just bought it. Works great with the Shock and Vibe. I have yet to test mine. Today's race was cancelled due to some nasty weather and none of the parks are open. I am looking forward to seeing how it works. As for the steering stabilizer area "mud Guards", I made those. I got a big blue plastic sheet from Speedway Motors and made those as well a some under the front fenders that protect all the wiring. They work great and are needed if you ride in the mud.
For toe, both sides have to be adjusted equally or it will throw your alignment off. If you suspect your alignment is off, I have a video on that out there as well.
Get your handlebars straight fastened them that way. Pick a spot on the inside of your front wheel towards the front, and another on the front frame or a arm. Take measurements on both sides and get them equal. Find another point on the back end of the front wheel and another point on the frame and make sure they are equal to each other. You can double check by taking measurements in different spots and both sides should be equal.
The width should not cause vibration. Jack the front up and spin each one to see if they wobble or are out or round. If good, take wheels off and spin hub and make sure brake rotors are not wobbling. Also, when you spin the wheels, make sure they spin smoothly. After this, make sure your tie rod and ball joints are not bad.
measuring it with the tape measure the way you doing it wont give you an accurate measurement. You should be measuring using the "outside of the board". Thus making sure that the little metal clip on the tape measure is fully extended...Those clips actually move about 1/8 inch sometimes depends what you are measuring and if you are measuring from the outside or the inside of the boards.
Good tip Darryl. However it is all about consistency so whether you put the clip on the outside and stretch it, or on the inside and smash it, be sure take all measurements the same.
The clips are designed to move. They don't move "about" 1/8 of an inch. They move exactly the width of the clip itself, on a decent tape measure anyway. It's so that it makes the same measurement if you push it up against a surface or pull it from an edge. Here's a 30 second short explaining why those little clips move. ruclips.net/video/ol3FLTIgFMw/видео.html
Finally! I now know how to align my quad bike. I really learned alot. thanks
Good deal. Take your time and measure a few times and it will work out fine.
4:14 You are seeing *close to 1/8"* on one end of the tie rod. It's actually close to 1/4" because both tie rod ends are moving out as you turn the rod.
1/4 turn, per side, should give you about 1/4" difference.
Yep, it does not take much to make a change either.
Informative and brief video, thank you! Just got me an SP450 quad with wheels angling way inwards, and when riding it feels like the slightest wrong movement of the steering will send me flying sideways
Yep, pointed far in or out will make the squirrely for sure.
How do you know your initial bad toe adjustment wasn’t all in one wheel? That is why it’s suggested that the toe is set from square of the rear wheels by pulling strings or long straight edge from the rear to extend past the front wheels. Measure from the strings or straight edge to set the toe and then you will know your front end is square from the rear and slightly toed in. It’s a little harder to do it that way but at least it will be correct. Some times the front tires will interfere and you have to get creative. I’m lucky enough to have extra rims so I just remove the front tires install two bare rims making toe adjustment measurements easy and accurate. Just something to think about!
You need to make sure your wheels are aligned prior to toe adjustment, toe is the last item. You are doing an align and toe together which is fine. Just a little more work if you are not needing an alignment. Once your alignment is set, it usually stays that way. My reference here was toe only. Thanks for the comment though, it all helps everyone.
Do you have a video on Castor and Camber?
Try this one. ruclips.net/video/sW-rM2YQH7k/видео.html
here you are again, ha ha. Wow, you are on FullFlight Racing? I ordered A-arms and etc. Can't wait to get them installed.
I am running houser xc a arms and elka shocks
@@Team2Gils Those Elka's are sooooooooo nice. But wow, pricey. I guess why stop now?
@@wavygravy9690 yep, that's what happened. 😀
For all the people mentioning only adjusting one side that will throw your steering wheel off. (Past Semi truck, trailer & auto alignment. I'm not an ATV mechanic but same still applies.)
Really doesn't work on atv's, steering has to be straight at all times and each side has to be adjusted as you mentioned.
By means of this method you arrange the toe-in and toe-out but you do not solve the case where one front wheel is more open or more closed with respect to the other front wheel. am I wrong?
Yes, this keeps them from getting that way. If one is off from the other, then you need run a straight edge from the rear wheel to the front and make sure they are parallel with each other. Be sure your handlebars are straight when you do this. Once the fronts are aligned with the rears, adjust your toe in.
@@Team2Gils Thanks a lot!
Question...i want to get +2 alba a arms but confused about what to do with the front shocks.i have a standard 700 with pogo sticks...yfz450 shocks, raptor 700r adjustable shocks or is it ok to keep my standard pogo sticks? Do you have any insights on this question?
You can use your existing shocks, you want to make sure the a arm are for standard shocks. Upgrading your shocks is a huge benefit but expensive. Going to +2 arms is nice as you can also go with the long travel option if available. This gives you really good suspension but again, expensive. Best advice is to plan ahead on what you're going to do so you don't waste money. You can definitely go with +2 and stock shocks, then upgrade shocks at a later date if you wish. You don't want to get custom shocks then upgrade your arms or you will have to have the shocks re valved again. Custom valved shocks are the best upgrade but should be the final suspension upgrade.
@@Team2Gils Thanks! That was the clearest and straight forward anwser I have received yet.What you said really makes sense 💯%
@@saramolet3614 your welcome and have fun!
I did all these are more things , But still pulling to left even 2 different shops tried to alignment and check everything but they could not find the problem. also the ATV is brand new 2024 . Not used/
That sucks. Couple things to check is make sure tire pressures are same on both sides, fronts the same, and rears the same, check the hiegth of your rear tires to make sure they are the same, could be a mfg issue with tire. Also, visibly check that your rear axle has your rear tires pointing straight and not cocked to one side, then jack up the back and roll the tires in neutral to make sure they roll smoothly and that the rear carrier bearing is not shot. Just a couple ideas.
@Team2Gils will check the back again tomorrow , for the front, I checked everything. Can be a tire problem which can't do anything about it. Tnx for info.
@MoeinEsther good luck, if everything seems fine, may take it to someplace else to check it out. Obviously has to be something. Good luck and enjoy!
Where did u get headlights from they are awesome I saw them and thought to myself I want those!!!
Headlight protectors came from Amazon. They had several to choose from. They are petty thick and the headlights are still supposed to be fairly bright at night but never tried that. I just wanted something to protect the lens and these looked cool.
@@Team2Gils thank u for replying gonna order me some today
What psi are you running? And whats your thoughts on balancing tires? I have the gbc xc master tires 21x7x10 front 20x11x9 rear on oem wheels for the time being. I was told that I should have them balanced but never really heard of it on ATV tire's..
I run 5psi rear and about 6 5 in front. I don't balance. I you are driving on the street it may be a good idea. But in the dirt, not neeccecary.
"and we're going to loosen it up" - proceeds to tighten lol. jk I do the same thing all the time when doing alignments...
Yeah, something always seems to trip you up, especially when recording. Just have to smile and roll with it.
@@Team2Gils No worries man. you handled it like a pro. thanks for all your hard work
Thanks
Great video as usual thx! I want yo ask you where did you fit your ignition key? I just bought precision shock & vibe stabilizer and I think the stock plastic holder will not fit anymore. Another question is where did you get the "shields" for the precision steering stem stabilizer? Thank you very much!
Rock Speed has a nice ignition holder. I started to make one but gave up and just bought it. Works great with the Shock and Vibe. I have yet to test mine. Today's race was cancelled due to some nasty weather and none of the parks are open. I am looking forward to seeing how it works. As for the steering stabilizer area "mud Guards", I made those. I got a big blue plastic sheet from Speedway Motors and made those as well a some under the front fenders that protect all the wiring. They work great and are needed if you ride in the mud.
Good video
Thanks!
Would doing this prevent me from flying sideways if it’s turning ugly when you drive it?
Likely not. Setting your toe as part of an alignment makes your bike go down the road straight and generally makes it more stable.
I was always taught you had to have the wheels off the ground to do this. Anybody else?
@Hector Cortez-aponte-cabrera awesome. Thanks for the info. Learned something new today!
Yes, the wheels should be off the ground.
Where u get those rims?🔥🔥
They are Goldspeed beadlocks. Ordered them direct.
@@Team2Gils sorry for asking for a lot but can u send a link of the exact one you have? How much it cost you?
@@israelalvarez2518 try googling the following: Goldspeed VB-11 Victory Box Kit 10x5 3+2 9x9 4+5 GNCC
@@Team2Gils does it come with the whole rim or just that blue thing
If you get the "victory box" it has all 4 rim s, all the rings, bolts, lug nuts, and mud plugs. Everything in one box.
if one is off would i just do this to the one side ? does that make sense ? i understand they need to be the same
For toe, both sides have to be adjusted equally or it will throw your alignment off. If you suspect your alignment is off, I have a video on that out there as well.
45 78 in front ⁴6 back
I have a raptor 700r but my back is 2" wider then front how do I do alignment?
Get your handlebars straight fastened them that way. Pick a spot on the inside of your front wheel towards the front, and another on the front frame or a arm. Take measurements on both sides and get them equal. Find another point on the back end of the front wheel and another point on the frame and make sure they are equal to each other. You can double check by taking measurements in different spots and both sides should be equal.
@@Team2Gils if I take off my sepcer do my alignment and then put them back on is that ok? Because iv only got them in back
That should work fine
@@Team2Gils thanks
Can you align the rods while on the atv??
It should not make a difference if you are on it.
My atv's front wheels are wider than the back wheels, and its making vibrations when i ride. Can anyone help?
The width should not cause vibration. Jack the front up and spin each one to see if they wobble or are out or round. If good, take wheels off and spin hub and make sure brake rotors are not wobbling. Also, when you spin the wheels, make sure they spin smoothly. After this, make sure your tie rod and ball joints are not bad.
@@Team2Gils thank you!
@@yaku9095 no problem. Hope you find the vibration.
@@Team2Gils is it maybe the front wheel alignment?
@@Team2Gils i own a chinese atv
measuring it with the tape measure the way you doing it wont give you an accurate measurement. You should be measuring using the "outside of the board". Thus making sure that the little metal clip on the tape measure is fully extended...Those clips actually move about 1/8 inch sometimes depends what you are measuring and if you are measuring from the outside or the inside of the boards.
Good tip Darryl. However it is all about consistency so whether you put the clip on the outside and stretch it, or on the inside and smash it, be sure take all measurements the same.
The clips are designed to move. They don't move "about" 1/8 of an inch. They move exactly the width of the clip itself, on a decent tape measure anyway. It's so that it makes the same measurement if you push it up against a surface or pull it from an edge. Here's a 30 second short explaining why those little clips move. ruclips.net/video/ol3FLTIgFMw/видео.html
My neighbor set a tree on the road and i hit it with my tire and its angle isn't 50/50 😂
Been there done that!! 😁
When people call quads bikes 🤢
Get a lot of comments on that. It's an old school saying that is hard to break.
Been calling quads, bikes my whole life
@@jasonschmalz952 Nice!