Jury Verdict Set Aside for Christmas Visitor | Lee Radder Case Analysis
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This video answers the question: Can I analyze the case of Lee Radder?
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This is about a lifelong friend of mine. I was at the trial. Knowing all the people involved, it still seems impossible that this could have happened. Dr. Grande, thank you for your thoughtful, fair analysis. It’s sad that Lee’s daughters had to grow up without him. He was a great Dad, and he had a huge heart. Truly a senseless tragedy.
What do you think happened?
@@btetschner I don’t want to say when the whole world can see what I wrote. What’s the point?
I sat through the whole trial…and basically I think the judge was either in somebody’s pocket, or, unfathomably, unaware of how to be a judge in a murder trial. (I believe it was her one and only murder trial- thank God). I have a lot to say…years worth of thoughts…but the bottom line is that two beautiful young ladies lost a Daddy, a wonderful young man (a son not mentioned or recognized during the trial), has daughters, who will never know their grandfather (who would have been over the moon in love with them), and, overall, two loving families, made up of truly good, salt of the earth people, will never have closure. It’s an awful tragedy. Senseless.
@@scarlettphoenix7024 I guess we are very different, I believe in justice.
I think it is likely Rob shot him intentionally.
You show up at my house for a holiday visit with a gun? No visit for you.
Yes! Even though he was a policeman, it was overkill plus to bring the gun!
if the thumbprint was bloody doesn't that rule out suicide by trigger thumb?
Thanks for your analysis. In your research it sounds like you may not have learned some key facts: Lee was left handed. (Gun was found in Lee’s right hand.) Rob owned the house that Lee and Belinda lived in. (Rob being angry that Lee was behind on housing payments could provide a motive.) Lee had lost many business deals over the years. (He never worried about losing face because he always moved forward and bragged about the next deal.)
This case is an illustration of the risk involved with the cultural shift towards just carrying guns around everywhere for no clear reason. When you introduce guns into so many situations where they cannot produce a positive effect, you’re just statistically asking for trouble. I don’t bring a gun to family drinking parties. Do you know why? Because I don’t want to shoot anyone, get shot myself, or end up charged due to some bizarre series of events. If I thought there was the slightest chance I would need to kill someone at the party in self-defense, I would use the big brain alternative plan of “don’t go to the party “
It’s true it can escalate a situation, I’m not an anti gun person, but yes these people turn guns into a religion, but the anti gun peoples agenda is to provoke them, so it’s not surprising
🤣🤣🤣 what a terrible argument for gun control.
Oh, please. There is only his word that he was drinking to excess. He was never tested. Neither was the clam that arranged the whole thing. This was a setup from the beginning so she could get rid of her husband and collect a fat stack of free money. The second he washed the gunshot residue off his hands right after being instructed not to, the truth was clear.
@@tb-dv1zc You the cool person that brings your AR to a party? Get wrecked, ya embarrassing Retrumplican.
Evil can strike anyone, anywhere. You have the right to defend yourself with arms
My theory on this case has always been that, considering that (1) Lee wasn’t experienced with firearms, (2) the close friendship, (3) the level of intoxication, and (4h Lee’s lying about the business opportunities/failures, they were sitting together, very drunk, and Lee asked Rob to end his life for him and make it look like he shot himself, because he didn’t have the ability/courage to do it. Perhaps he poured his heart out. Perhaps he told Rob that his wife would be better taken care of if he died, and they were both so drunk. That’s my theory 🤷🏼♀️
He would never with his girls in the house
@@kellymaypenrose6413 Esp right in front of their bedroom door! Never. Never.
What lessons can be learned in this case? 1. There are two kinds of shots: one that makes you an idiot and one that makes you dead. Best to keep 'em away from each other. 2. Don't look down the barrel of a loaded gun. You could really shoot your eye out.
Thanks for your analysis, Dr. G. Very unfortunate turn of events.
3. Never teach your baby how to shoot a gun. They might end up shooting YOU!
🤔......OH. Wrong video. That was yesterday. Sorry. 😬 Carry on! ❤
There is not justice only the law .
As a cop he knows the rules of firearms safety. However, being impaired by alcohol, as we all know, limits your ability to reason coherently. That being said, I wonder if the gun was present the whole time. With her close connection to her step dad, he'd be aware of her frustration with her husband. He did her a favor. He probably was willing to take the fall thinking he'd get off lightly or completely. Possibly a spur of the moment idea. Unfortunately for him, he wasn't able to think too clearly and screwed up his ability to hide the truth. Moral of the story, if you're going to commit a crime, don't do it drunk. Ya need your thought process clear.
If she was that frustrated with her husband that'd he'd think getting rid of him was a favor for her, I'd like to point out that divorce accomplishes the same thing with the added bonus of child support and being completely legal. Offing broke husbands not only creates potential legal problems, deprives the mother of child support, but also leaves the wife with the husband's debts. Bad idea.
That is a fair deduction.
That permit in Most states is Null and void, if you're consuming alcohol or drugs.
@Space_Rock81 I've heard of dad's ending up with primary custody and the mom's having to pay child support. In fact my little brother is one.
@Space_Rock81 Nah. Enjoy your coffee 🙂
Theory #5. I feel Rob's step daughter and Rob worked out a deal whereas Rob takes out Lee. He was successful, except for the fact he had to get so intoxicated to commit the act and not feel too guilt ridden that he screwed the whole thing up. But, he got lucky as hell, in my opinion, because he should've been convicted of murder. At least 2 out of 3 lived happily ever after (not including the kids).
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I watched the dateline on this. Dude was so drunk he could have been blacked out and done this… or not done it, or done it by accident. But it was so frustrating to hear the cops say “he wasn’t acting sad” “she wasn’t acting like a widow”. Like there’s a certain way someone is supposed to act.
Also - the gun was found in Lee’s right hand. Lee was most definitely left-handed.
Unbelievable that this man is free.
Glad I live alone (pets only) & avoid any/all friendship entanglements. Just wish I had $
SAME.
If you get money, people will start showing up. It’s a bit of a catch 22.
@@stt5v2002 not when I tell them how many cats I have 👀🥳
How many cats DO you have? Asking for a friend!
"Alcohol-assisted mystery shooting"? Funny enough, that's the official law enforcement term for a Proud Boys' game of Clue(do).
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@@LostHope84 Charlie Sheen has infact been rumoured to have accidentally shot his ex-fiancee, so not only has he been "accused" of shooting, it also was a mystery... And I don't think anything needs to be said about alcohol.
Despite this, in celebration of Nonsensical Day, I'll have you know that I never brought up Charlie Sheen. 🤡
@@LostHope84 sorry to give you a headache, headake. But you know, the day and all.
Alcohol 🍺 does terrible things to a person’s mind. It can change a person from Dr Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. 💔☹️
Hello Dr. Grande, this is quite the case. I once again have no personal comments on what could have happened. I do agree with your thoughts on this strange story. Thank you for your hard work to bring these cases to us. Best Regards.
Always interesting.
I knew a guy who committed suicide by shooting himself in the eye.
Thank you.
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Firearms and alcohol is never a great mix.
Imo, I believe Rob shot Lee to help Belinda get out of her marriage. She was the one to benefit from life insurance. Lee had failed business ventures & accrued a lot of debt.
Or, Lee wanted to die so that his debts would be washed away and the insurance payouts would sustain Belinda and the kids.
Interesting analysis. Thank you Dr. Grande.
Hey Dr. Grande❣️ I'm so excited to watch this video! It's been an insane week so I haven't been able to really watch any videos. However I'm able to now & I so very much appreciate you!! I hope you had a great weekend!
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Yet another reason why murder rates are climbing, hell you can be caught red-handed, be convicted and still get off Scott-free
A jury is unpredictable
But why doesn't the horror of the actual act keep people from even considering it as a solution?
@@willnill7946 The jury voted to convict. An incompetent (or dirty) judge disregarded everything from the trial. It was ruled that she overstepped her boundaries and made illogical presumptions. This case is a travesty and ought to be a haunting embarrassment to the AZ Justice system.
i've been in a house for hours drinking with a man and his wife i've known for years. now i have found that man shot dead and i have no idea who he is
How about a speculative analysis on the 1984 kidnapping of Jody Plauche by Jeffery Doucett? What made the case famous is the reaction of Jody’s father, Gary Plauche. Very interesting and chock full of potential mental health factors. Either way please keep us the amazing work you are doing. We all enjoy your videos regardless of the topics you choose.
Need more father's like Gary P!auche and more juries like his.
This guy completely got away with murder. Wow
As always well done 😊
I like this vid. Good insight and great analysis.
that's fucking crazy (pardon my French). I grew up like 10 minutes from Queen Creek, Arizona in Chandler. we even had kids from Queen Creek at my high school. Queen Creek didn't even have their own police force, just pinal county sherrifs. I googled it and I guess they just opened their own police force this year (2022).
This is my godfather and I miss him everyday. He was such a loving and amazing hard working man. You covered it good but you decided on any possible scenario not just one.
I don't care if he seems like he doesn't have it in his personality, if I was a juror I have to go on evidence.
Nice, lunch with Dr G!
Wow. What a wild ass case!!!
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@@LostHope84 yeah, you. lol!
You certainly do through your hearts around🏄♀️
Dr. Grande, here's a suggestion: I recently came across the r/niceguys subreddit and would love your take on the personality profile of a stereotypical "nice guy." From what I understand, a nice guy is a kind of incel that attempts to seduce women by putting on airs of niceness, but isn't nice, and is actually pretty erratic, entitled, and rude. If you think this topic would be too close to your other incel videos I understand, but still figured I'd suggest it! Thanks for the great content!
Doc have you came across the mass shooting of the people in Buffalo New York? I would really like to know your analysis on the killer.
There's that pesky manifesto again! (Not really a joking matter!)😓💀
🌱Good morning
my sister lived in Queen Creek back in 2010-2012. nice area!
Anyone else want him to cover Barry Morphew? He allegedly killed his wife Suzanne Morphew. They lived in Colorado and Suzanne was reported missing when her abandoned bicycle was found on a path at their Puma Path residence. She was reported missing on that Mother's day when she was alone. Her husband Barry said that she must have been taken by a mountain lion. The police couldn't find her and eventually Barry was arrested but as the trial was going on the prosecution dropped the case. It's in limbo and Suzanne is still missing.
for sure!!!!! ☺ I've followed this case a lot too and barry just seems SO guilty to me! (i get how its tough without no body discovered, but still! 😳). Of course I'd love the doc's input on this case! in the meantime i recommend checking out "It's a Crime" here on RUclips-- she's done a ton of very in-depth coverage on barry morphew! Lots of videos! 🤗
Please do a story on the tiffany jenks doctor
Please do Rev. Walker Railey.
It would be amusing if DTG could analyze Eric Cartman from South Park!!
In the styling of Jeff Foxworthy; if you can't pay attention to the speaker because in your head you're busy realigning the items in the background, you might be a neurotic.
That out of the way... I'm curious about the ballistics of suicide vs homicide.
And do those with neurotic traits genuinely excel at analytical based professions such as forensics?
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Thanks
Interesting!
Can they stop you from washing your hands? It's just a guess, but I'm thinking, if they haven't arrested you, all they can do is ask you, or recommend, that you don't. You said it as a crack, but I think it probably went down that way; they stood there in amazement as he disregarded their advice/request. Then, I guess, this action becomes a fact in itself, for whatever it's worth in a trial. Idk, interesting.
Dr. Grande, will you please analyze Sammy “The Bull” Gravano? I’ve observed a rather persistent commenter on here having trouble keeping track of how many days you’ve avoided this topic. I’m gonna go ahead and help him out once and for all. If you were born on February 15 and you are 50 years old, that would make this “Day 18,340” of no Sammy The Bull Gravano video. I think I agree with him. I think it’s time, Dr. G. 😜
Anna - Bravo!
lol. I see his post almost every day. He keeps changing the number of days back and forth. Day 330, next Day 227! He seems like a really nice guy/girl. I hope Dr. Grande does this one. The guy has a huge youtube channel, now!
@@bthomson 👋 Hi, B! Hope you have a lovely day! 🤟
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Great case to think about.
I wonder what the motive would have been if it was murder.
I also wonder if it was an accident.
Thank you for the video.
When Dr Grande mentions, a police officer turned attorney, for a father in-law in this case, alarm bells started ringing! Seriously, my eyes read Dr Grande's next lines to mean as an *'accident'* waiting to happen. For a 'grandfather Attorney' visiting at Christmas season - the man was armed almost like 'Bryan Mills' Liam Neeson's character in Taken franchise! May be, 'be prepared' was his personal motto visiting Arizona.
Hollo Dr Grande. Do have any insights into the question of weather the human drive to be popular has any evolutionary advantages that led to it being selected for?. Or do you think it is a societal pressure? Or maybe another cause?
His thumb was on the trigger??? HIS THUMB ???
Most people that have a permit to carry concealed if they have their gun with them at all, it's going to be on their person. They're not going to store it someplace else unless as was mentioned here, it's locked- up in the trunk of the car altogether and that would only be if they went into someplace where Firearms were prohibited.
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Hi Dr. Grande. Will you analyze the Buffalo shooter Peyton Gendron and the "white replacement theory"?
Check out a channel called History Debunked.
Yeah dont drink n gun lol!!! I like to try to learn from the way you think.. or try to train my mind to structure my thoughts better.. your so good at that!
I saw the part about a Christmas visitor and thought somebody shot Santa Claus.
Alcohol, oh alcohol! What tragedy had been done under your influence!
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The police worked on the honor system
Murder is not inconsistent with anyone's personality. I am a sweet little great granny. 👵🏻
I can think of half a dozen instances where, had there been a weapon in my hand, I definitely would have done the deed! 🤷🏼♀️
I only hope this story is as intriguing as Dr Grande's choosen title ( : ..... huh? Lol
I feel like 2 was most probable. Get drunk, accidentally discharge, then try to cover it up, especially since there’s no malice between the two.
Not the way I thought this was gonna go at all.
I hate that argument that only a certain type of person can kill someone anybody can murder someone it's really not that hard. It's Whether or not you can deal with the consequences of your actions. Like dealing with mans law or having to deal with your own thoughts at 3:00 a.m.
Do Michael Alig
Skill share sounds amazing
Not related to this vid but I wanna know what you think about that whole Brendan Schaub and Tigerbelly stuff going on if you're privy to it
Rob is guilty. Period. I’m not sure how anyone could even doubt that. As for the specific charges brought against him, there are several possibilities in my opinion.
As you said in the second half of the video, I agree that there are a few scenarios that could have led up to Lee’s death:
- *Rob straight up murdered him.* (I won’t even begin to theorize motive because that’s a whole *other* discussion.)
- *Rob was just showing Lee his gun and it accidentally discharged.* Lee may have expressed interest in purchasing a gun for his own personal reasons and asked Rob what he would suggest. Rob, then, brought out his firearm as a visual aid in explaining different guns and how they work.
- *Lee asked Rob to shoot him.* Lee saw this as a way to escape his debt, but he didn’t want to leave his wife and children with that debt to repay and maybe a little extra to get a new life started - assuming there was a life insurance policy? Lee couldn’t do it himself, even with the liquid courage, so he asked Rob to do him a solid.
Whether intentional (coerced or not) or due to negligence; drunk or not, Rob is guilty. He knows firearms. He also knows to keep the safety on unless he is intending to fire it. His actions, or inactions, directly caused the death of Lee.
Holy shit I didn’t intend on that comment being so lengthy 😳 whoops! 😝
2022 is making me want to move again
Especially when there is a massacre so close to home here jn buffalo NY
Imo, Belinda and her stepfather planned the killing. Their behaviors, actions, the insurance payout/financial gain for Belinda and possibly some financial gain for stepdad, and the facts of the case point to guilt on both of their parts. I feel so bad for the victim and the children.
Yay
Behind every angry woman there is a man who has absolutely no idea what he did wrong.
My husband would second you on that!
My hubby would agree😆
I flat out tell my husband if I need attention. Takes the guesswork out of it. The result is 💯! 🤣
Honesty is the best policy!
@@bthomson yeah, I just figure “Guess How I’m Feeling” is not really a fun game for anyone and no one wins.
My feeling is Rob killed Lee to help Belinda. She had perhaps previously told Rob about all the nonsenses Lee was into and wasn’t pulling his weight financially. She may have even told Rob she was better off if Lee was dead……Rob brought an arsenal to a nice family evening. Rob also believed as he was ex cop, he could muddy up the waters and make it through the system by way of being an ex cop…..gives him certain privileges…… Rob was just trying to help Belinda, but poor Lee needed to be unalived for this.
Andor as Rob was step dad he may have hoped Belinda may be so grateful to him they get together eventually romantically (he harbours a secret longing for Belinda) if he could get Lee gone and swoop in and play daddy.
Sad state of affairs.
This case was radder than rad.
I think the gunshot was accidental; mixing alcohol & weapons is NEVER a good idea. I think Lee could've taken the opportunity to "check out" of his troubled life. Rob should have told the truth, I don't think he did 😐
You should help lawyers
It's obvious that Rob was sleepwalking. (/sarc for those in Rio Linda)
I don’t agree that theory 3 is more likely than theory 2, or than theory 4. But you have wrongly assumed that just one of them did it. They could have been drunkenly grappling over the gun, e.g. because Rob didn’t like how Lee was holding it and was trying to get it off him. Rob could therefore plausibly have been unsure who pulled the trigger. He’s still culpable, though.
Finally, first 💕🇺🇲
That would be impressive if this was kindergarten elementary school 🏫
why does this matter?
I was actually first, sorry. 🇵🇸
@@birdworldist ..who cares?
@@kiwani4470 m. f. Richardson cares.
One theory I have is that Rob and Lee got into an argument about Lee's financial situation. Rob might have been feeling protective of his stepdaughter and perhaps he blamed Lee for their financial troubles. Maybe Rob felt that his stepdaughter deserved a better husband than Lee and this led to a massive, alcohol-fueled fight which somehow ended up with Rob's weapon involved. Not sure at this point if Rob intentionally killed Lee or if it was an accidental outcome from their fight 🤔
Honestly, one can anybody listen to this and still argue that casual fun ownership is safe
Rob is an ex-cop. Not a casual gun-owner.
Day 302 of no Sammy the Bull Gravano video
Excellent video 📹
INTERVENTION (involving a pistol 🔫)
DEBT is the greatest curse on any family 👪
It is worse than than drugs, alcohol or gambling.
Entrepreneurs and would be businessman induce great hardships on their family. Promises and hopes wear thin. They are often in debt and the family has to go without.
Living standards have reached a comfortable level in North America and Western Europe.
People could do reasonable jobs and pay their bills.
Seems like she should have been far more pursued. Sounds like possible affair with Belinda or she convinced him to do it saying "let's make it look like a suicide". Also how did Rob hear multi pops?
This was a strange one any of those explanations could be true
I realise this is not the subject of this video, but can we speculate about how someone like Amber Heard might be really good in a situation like portraying Jodi Arias?
Amber Heard is an actress - whether good or bad actor, she is acting. You can never really tell the truth when its an actor, because they know how to act the part!! That goes for Johnny Depp too, although I think he is genuine. This is one big stage for them both to air their dirty laundry!
@Headake I was mainly thinking about the similarities in the delivery/performance of the testimony to the jury. I shall now observe a moment of silence for the bee.
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Belinda is just a terrible name lol
Did Rob have a thing for the stepdaughter or hope to? Maybe she wanted hubby dead.
This quy reminds me of the quacks my narcissistic mother took me to as a kid. I'd bet he is another self deluded Dr only in the field to prove their own sanity to themselves.
are you referring to the creator of this channel?
I’m thinking the mother was the smart one, and it’s too bad you failed therapy.
@@scarlettphoenix7024 lmao my mother locked me in a room with a known sex offender when I was five.
@@CarltonSmith45 I am sorry. Truly.
Too many theories for a person who isn't trained in forensics. Just sayin'
Love the early uploads. I live not far from this case🏜They gave him extra considerations being a former cop, he knew how to manipulate scenes & evidence. Great points again, thanks Dr G😊💛💛
@@anjou6497 Thanks!!😉👐
@@anjou6497 Very true. He helps break down points vs just being emotional. Yes he needs to rest more but maybe he can sneakily upload from Maui & had some in the cue? 😉🏞🏝I'm no YT expert for sure...but yes be sure to rest enough Dr G⏰👍🌜♥️🎼🍧🍹
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@@anjou6497 I understand, thx for sharing. Sleep well😴💫🐫🌵🌜