What your saying at 4:30 also applies to the team receiving the serve. The non receiver should be watching to see if the serve is in. One of the main problems I often see come up is the player who is over the line will see the ball in and the player who is off to the side will see it out. In my opinion if the ball is “hovering” over the line, but technically may be out, call it in. You”ll find a lot more players will enjoy playing with you
Right on- When in doubt -call it out- No Mas. REMEMBER the spin can cause the ball to APPEAR like it is barely out. Take it on your chin and call it in. What you can't win unless your opponent hits a foot inside the lines? What value is your reputation and increasing players confidence in your fair play?
Thank you for the video. Could you consider having the rule number on the screen as your talking. I'm not sure whether some of the things you said are actual rules or just common practice so the reference would be a a help in these kinds of videos. Thank you for all the great content you provide. I played singles for the first time this morning and it has made me love this sport even more. (even though I had my butt handed to me. LOL)
@@PickleballKitchen I don't know if this is a rule change, but the rules say this: "6.C.6. Players shall not call a ball “out” unless they can clearly see a space between the line and the ball as it hits the ground." This wording is a bit confusing as it implies (to me at least) that even if the physical contact point of the ball is out that if there is overlap between the ball and the line it should be considered in. Same as your demonstration at 2:27, any further clarification on this?
6.C.6. Players shall not call a ball “out” unless they can clearly see a space between the line and the ball as it hits the ground. So that is in contrast to what this video states at 2:32.
I have a question regarding to serves and the kitchen line. Does it have to clear the kitchen line to be in? I’ve heard that if it hits the kitchen line or is uncertain then the serve is considered a fault.
What about the centerline on a serve? I have always considered the line "in" regardless of the serve coming from the left or right. But I'm running into lots of players who assume that the centerline itself has a left side and a right side so that if you're serving from your right and your ball hits the right side of the centerline, it's out. I say it always in. The centerline is in for both teams. Right?
Yes, you’re right. During the serve the ball must land behind the front kitchen line. If it touches the front line it’s out. But any sidelines it is good
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What is meant by there should be only one person calling balls in or out at 4:50 in the vid? Does it mean the person with the better angle to the ball calls it, does it mean the person not playing the ball calls it, or does it mean their is only one designated person calling balls in or out on your team?
The person with the better angle should almost always call the ball, unless it's super obvious. The example I use in the video will explain, but if your partner is hitting the third shot, you're the one that should make the line call because you have the better view. If you don't call anything (meaning it's in) and your partner mistakenly calls it out, then you have to reverse the call and say it's in.
I call it using the rule I learned playing tennis (which is supported in this video): if you don’t see it out, it’s in. That means that if both players are puzzled, had bad views, whatever, you have to give it to your opponent. Given that I play with very good, but recreational players, the opponent with the best sideline view often has the best look at the line and will help but if there’s a question the rule still applies. Btw, Barrett, still loving my Prince Response Pro!
Line call videos should mention the width of how much contact surface a ball has. For instance a tennis ball will compress and have somewhere between a quarter or a fifty cent piece worth of contact depending on ball compression. While a pickleball has closer to a dimes worth of contact to the surface.
I'd like to find someone with a high FPS camera and actually get down there and look. Because right now, I have no idea how much surface area the ball covers.
Plus, on the adapted basketball court (where we often play) there is a really thick black paint line butted up against the dark blue Pickleball sideline for the entire length of the court. It makes it almost impossible for those to be seen clearly.
Remember this important rule when calling the ball "out" when looking across the line. 6.D.7. DO NOT call a ball “out” when you are looking across the line, unless you can clearly see a space between the line and the ball as it hits. The player’s depth-of-field judgment, based on the laws of parallax, prevents accurate judgment in these cases.
What if you are playing with someone who claims he.tell the sex of a mosquito from 50 yards and he clearly sees a space between ball and line. And what if this happens when the player with the better view as well as a spectator siting in line with the line clearly saw the ball is in. Incidentally all involved were on the same side. How much arguing should be allowed before the butt whipping beings- only joking Years ago the game was friendlier. Now it’s no blood no foul.
@@trumpisastump9382same as the video = you HAVE to see space between the ball and the line to call it out. Otherwise you call it in, period, end. Stop.
What about a line call at kitchen. I’m volleying and the tip of my foot is over the line but because my toe curves up it’s not actually touching the line. Fault or not?
a call I need help with… shot coming goes out left side of court, I immediately call it out in the midst of my return…and I made a nice return, which my opponent cannot get. Then my partners says he thinks the shot was in… so my opponent then says that I lose the point. I explain it was out, 100% out, and I called it out immediately. and I was right there, much closer and better angle than my partner. Now of course its not a big deal, so I let it go… but my opponent who is very much into rules of the game…said that since my partner then said after me that it was in…we lose the point…furthermore, I then say my return on the out shot was in. and not returned…my opponent said that doesn’t matter... Basically, since my opponents shot was 100% out and my return was in and not returned, I feel that I won the point twofold. Is there a hard rule to cover this situation?
6.C. A ball contacting the playing surface outside of the baseline or sideline, even though the edge of the ball overlaps the line, is considered out of bounds (see Figure 6-1). This rule says to me that if any part of the ball makes contact with out of bound area, even though most of it is on the line, the the ball is out of bounds. I won't call it out unless I see the out of bounds surface between the ball an the line, unless I have a perfect view down the line. But this rule seems to contradict what you said at 2:50.
You said that your opponent cannot make the call on their own shot, but if they see that the shot is clearly out and you did not see it. They should call it out.
Yes, when both players are at the baseline the partner away from the ball has the best view to make the call (parallax, isn’t concentrating on hitting) but when the ball is sideline the partner away from the bounce has such a bad angle with regard to parallax that the hitter should make the call. Any video on line calls should be explaining parallax. My partners are making incorrect out calls 80% of the time when I’m about to hit a sideline bounce. Frustrating.
Would think that the kitchen/short serve line should have been a topic. Then the big one - even side or the odd side player calling wide(out) calls on their opposite side.
In a game recently where I wasn’t playing but sitting 6 feet behind a player along the right sideline, a ball was hit to the player in front of me. His partner called it out from across court just as the player in front of me hit it. The ball was clearly in and the returning player indicated that it was in. Of course an argument ensued with the partner insisting that his vision is better than normal and actually excellent. My question is this: rule 6d 12 states that after an out call the ball is dead thereby negating the successful return of the ball by the receiver. Yet the receiver overruled the out call. If the receiver doesn’t return the call and then says it was in he voluntarily gives up a point he didn’t have to. This rule does not seem fair. No one calls a ball in unless it was called out first. What is to prevent players from calling close balls out thereby killing the play (dead ball) when they know it is foolish to have their partner over rule them. Integrity, yea, right.
Folks on our park courts often play those close questionable balls, then hit a lousy shot off them (their ball then goes out). Then aa they watch their own ball fly out, they call the previous ball out. Does that stink?
Would only say that you differentiate between winning a point and winning a rally. If this is meant to teach then I recommend always use the proper terminology. You can only win a point if you are the serving team. Otherwise you can win a rally.
I believe in 6.D.7 they mean the opponent, not the person who is swinging at the ball. You're allowed to swing and even hit it as you or your partner call it out, and the time limit for calling it out is exceeded only when the opponent on the other side of the net hits the ball or the ball is dead.
Curious - what if you do not lose balance and fall in the kitchen, but are losing your balance and you jump outside the court lines in order to regain your balance and then come back into the court to continue play. You never stepped in the kitchen at all, Is this considered a fault? I am thinking not.
6.C. A ball contacting the playing surface outside of the baseline or sideline, even though the edge of the ball overlaps the line, is considered out of bounds (see Figure 6-1). Rule 6.C. corrects you. If any part of the ball bounces out of bounds (making contact with the out of bounds surface), it is out.
So over explained. Jeez. Just say if the ball hits the line, any part of the line at all, it's in. Done. The way you've explained this is a recipe for a lot of argued line calls. No one has slo-mo instant replays to split hairs as you describe.
What your saying at 4:30 also applies to the team receiving the serve. The non receiver should be watching to see if the serve is in. One of the main problems I often see come up is the player who is over the line will see the ball in and the player who is off to the side will see it out. In my opinion if the ball is “hovering” over the line, but technically may be out, call it in. You”ll find a lot more players will enjoy playing with you
Right on- When in doubt -call it out- No Mas.
REMEMBER the spin can cause the ball to APPEAR like it is barely out. Take it on your chin and call it in. What you can't win unless your opponent hits a foot inside the lines? What value is your reputation and increasing players confidence in your fair play?
Great advice about watching the line instead of the ball. Thank you!
Barrett - this is EXCELLENT! Much appreciated. Also - LOVE THE PODCASTS!
Thanks very much and thanks for listening/watching!
Very nice video to clear the confusion!😊
Explanation was excellent!
My pleasure!
Thank you for the video. Could you consider having the rule number on the screen as your talking. I'm not sure whether some of the things you said are actual rules or just common practice so the reference would be a a help in these kinds of videos. Thank you for all the great content you provide. I played singles for the first time this morning and it has made me love this sport even more. (even though I had my butt handed to me. LOL)
The pleasure is mine! That's a great suggestion and I will add that in for future videos. Thank you and thanks for stopping by!
You are the best your really a good teacher
Thank you very much!
@@PickleballKitchen I don't know if this is a rule change, but the rules say this: "6.C.6. Players shall not call a ball “out” unless they can clearly see a space between the line and the ball as it hits the ground."
This wording is a bit confusing as it implies (to me at least) that even if the physical contact point of the ball is out that if there is overlap between the ball and the line it should be considered in. Same as your demonstration at 2:27, any further clarification on this?
Thank you very informative!!
My pleasure.
6.C.6. Players shall not call a ball “out” unless they can clearly see a space between the line and the ball as it hits the ground.
So that is in contrast to what this video states at 2:32.
What abou the line on the kitchen and on the center when the serve ball how to call it's in or out in the same situation like the the video above?
Excellent! Thanks
You're welcome!
I have a question regarding to serves and the kitchen line. Does it have to clear the kitchen line to be in? I’ve heard that if it hits the kitchen line or is uncertain then the serve is considered a fault.
If it hits the kitchen line, it is indeed a fault.
What about the centerline on a serve? I have always considered the line "in" regardless of the serve coming from the left or right. But I'm running into lots of players who assume that the centerline itself has a left side and a right side so that if you're serving from your right and your ball hits the right side of the centerline, it's out. I say it always in. The centerline is in for both teams. Right?
Yes, the only line that is out is the kitchen line and only on a serve.
Yes, you’re right. During the serve the ball must land behind the front kitchen line. If it touches the front line it’s out. But any sidelines it is good
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@@PickleballKitchen Why not the prince paddle in your hand?
Good advice here.
He wants more of a light/mid weight paddle. The Tempest Wave fits that bill more than the Prince Response/Spectrum in my opinion.
When a ball is served & it hits the kitchen line is it a good serve
What if the ball was clearly going out but the player next to the receiver catches it. Or if it hits that player?
It's out when that happens
What is meant by there should be only one person calling balls in or out at 4:50 in the vid? Does it mean the person with the better angle to the ball calls it, does it mean the person not playing the ball calls it, or does it mean their is only one designated person calling balls in or out on your team?
The person with the better angle should almost always call the ball, unless it's super obvious. The example I use in the video will explain, but if your partner is hitting the third shot, you're the one that should make the line call because you have the better view. If you don't call anything (meaning it's in) and your partner mistakenly calls it out, then you have to reverse the call and say it's in.
I call it using the rule I learned playing tennis (which is supported in this video): if you don’t see it out, it’s in. That means that if both players are puzzled, had bad views, whatever, you have to give it to your opponent. Given that I play with very good, but recreational players, the opponent with the best sideline view often has the best look at the line and will help but if there’s a question the rule still applies.
Btw, Barrett, still loving my Prince Response Pro!
Yup that's exactly right. Glad you're still enjoying the paddle!
Line call videos should mention the width of how much contact surface a ball has. For instance a tennis ball will compress and have somewhere between a quarter or a fifty cent piece worth of contact depending on ball compression. While a pickleball has closer to a dimes worth of contact to the surface.
I'd like to find someone with a high FPS camera and actually get down there and look. Because right now, I have no idea how much surface area the ball covers.
@@PickleballKitchen Try hitting a ball onto some contact paper. The stuff you use when writing to get additional copies.
@@PickleballKitchen I got the dime size of contact from Rusty on the pickleball channel. ruclips.net/video/vSn5Kcjnt7k/видео.html
How does that help you make a line call?
Trouble is, most people can’t see that slight difference of close in or out when the ball is moving across the line!
True!
Plus, on the adapted basketball court (where we often play) there is a really thick black paint line butted up against the dark blue Pickleball sideline for the entire length of the court. It makes it almost impossible for those to be seen clearly.
The diagram in the rule book makes it very clear.
Key phrase said twice - have integrity. I find it sad to see the arguing and lack of integrity of some players in Rec Play.
Remember this important rule when calling the ball "out" when looking across the line.
6.D.7. DO NOT call a ball “out” when you are looking
across the line, unless you can clearly see a space
between the line and the ball as it hits. The
player’s depth-of-field judgment, based on the
laws of parallax, prevents accurate judgment in
these cases.
What if you are playing with someone who claims he.tell the sex of a mosquito from 50 yards and he clearly sees a space between ball and line.
And what if this happens when the player with the better view as well as a spectator siting in line with the line clearly saw the ball is in.
Incidentally all involved were on the same side.
How much arguing should be allowed before the butt whipping beings- only joking
Years ago the game was friendlier. Now it’s no blood no foul.
Yes, and this definition seems different than the one in the video.
@@trumpisastump9382same as the video = you HAVE to see space between the ball and the line to call it out. Otherwise you call it in, period, end. Stop.
What about a line call at kitchen. I’m volleying and the tip of my foot is over the line but because my toe curves up it’s not actually touching the line. Fault or not?
Not in kitchen unless you step on line.
If ball touches the kitchen line, is the service good or not?
a call I need help with… shot coming goes out left side of court, I immediately call it out in the midst of my return…and I made a nice return, which my opponent cannot get. Then my partners says he thinks the shot was in… so my opponent then says that I lose the point. I explain it was out, 100% out, and I called it out immediately. and I was right there, much closer and better angle than my partner. Now of course its not a big deal, so I let it go… but my opponent who is very much into rules of the game…said that since my partner then said after me that it was in…we lose the point…furthermore, I then say my return on the out shot was in. and not returned…my opponent said that doesn’t matter... Basically, since my opponents shot was 100% out and my return was in and not returned, I feel that I won the point twofold. Is there a hard rule to cover this situation?
i always hit the ball back on the full if i think my opponent hits the ball out , no lines for my side
You didn’t cover the service line - does the serve need to hit the line on the serve??
6.C. A ball contacting the playing surface outside of the
baseline or sideline, even though the edge of the ball
overlaps the line, is considered out of bounds (see Figure
6-1). This rule says to me that if any part of the ball makes contact with out of bound area, even though most of it is on the line, the the ball is out of bounds. I won't call it out unless I see the out of bounds surface between the ball an the line, unless I have a perfect view down the line. But this rule seems to contradict what you said at 2:50.
Hi Ralph! I'm not quite understanding your question. Can you rephrase?
You said that your opponent cannot make the call on their own shot, but if they see that the shot is clearly out and you did not see it. They should call it out.
Yes, when both players are at the baseline the partner away from the ball has the best view to make the call (parallax, isn’t concentrating on hitting) but when the ball is sideline the partner away from the bounce has such a bad angle with regard to parallax that the hitter should make the call. Any video on line calls should be explaining parallax. My partners are making incorrect out calls 80% of the time when I’m about to hit a sideline bounce. Frustrating.
Would think that the kitchen/short serve line should have been a topic. Then the big one - even side or the odd side player calling wide(out) calls on their opposite side.
I should have included the kitchen line stuff. Not sure what the heck I was thinking. Thank you.
Is this still current? I'd heard it changed so balls that hung over but didn't actually touch the line are still in.
In a game recently where I wasn’t playing but sitting 6 feet behind a player along the right sideline, a ball was hit to the player in front of me.
His partner called it out from across court just as the player in front of me hit it. The ball was clearly in and the returning player indicated that it was in. Of course an argument ensued with the partner insisting that his vision is better than normal and actually excellent.
My question is this: rule 6d 12 states that after an out call the ball is dead thereby negating the successful return of the ball by the receiver.
Yet the receiver overruled the out call. If the receiver doesn’t return the call and then says it was in he voluntarily gives up a point he didn’t have to.
This rule does not seem fair. No one calls a ball in unless it was called out first.
What is to prevent players from calling close balls out thereby killing the play (dead ball) when they know it is foolish to have their partner over rule them. Integrity, yea, right.
if your partner whiffs but makes contact with the ball is the play over? or is the ball still in play?
Do you mean if they whiff, then you hit the ball after the whiff?
@@PickleballKitchen yes
@@JauGoo It's fine as long as you didn't hit the ball in any way on that whiff.
Folks on our park courts often play those close questionable balls, then hit a lousy shot off them (their ball then goes out). Then aa they watch their own ball fly out, they call the previous ball out. Does that stink?
Stinks big time. You're not allowed to do that.
Are these line rules still correct in 2023? Just want to confirm
Would only say that you differentiate between winning a point and winning a rally. If this is meant to teach then I recommend always use the proper terminology. You can only win a point if you are the serving team. Otherwise you can win a rally.
Incorrect please review 2021 Rule 6.D.7 video needs updating
I believe in 6.D.7 they mean the opponent, not the person who is swinging at the ball. You're allowed to swing and even hit it as you or your partner call it out, and the time limit for calling it out is exceeded only when the opponent on the other side of the net hits the ball or the ball is dead.
Curious - what if you do not lose balance and fall in the kitchen, but are losing your balance and you jump outside the court lines in order to regain your balance and then come back into the court to continue play. You never stepped in the kitchen at all, Is this considered a fault? I am thinking not.
Nope, no fault.
Update this for 2021
they should play 2 balls at once
Just remember, if the ball was 99% out, it is 100% in.
6.C. A ball contacting the playing surface outside of the
baseline or sideline, even though the edge of the ball
overlaps the line, is considered out of bounds (see Figure
6-1). Rule 6.C. corrects you. If any part of the ball bounces out of bounds (making contact with the out of bounds surface), it is out.
No. You’re thinking about tennis.
So over explained. Jeez. Just say if the ball hits the line, any part of the line at all, it's in. Done. The way you've explained this is a recipe for a lot of argued line calls. No one has slo-mo instant replays to split hairs as you describe.