How to RIP your serves in pickleball
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- Опубликовано: 15 ноя 2018
- Let's be honest, hitting the ball is really fun. And even though ripping your serves all the time isn't the best idea, every now and then it can be super effective.
In this video, I show you how to hit your serves with high power and a ton of top spin. It's not only super fun, but it can catch your opponent completely off guard!
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Thanks for putting my mind at ease. I did my first official rec play session a week ago and the guy I was playing against told me I need to use my hips and not just my arm. I went from a decent, but consistent and deep serve to missing almost every one. I’ve been practicing this all week, and although it’s getting better I’m still not there yet so I’ll hold off another week before I start implementing it.
Exceptional teacher....no ego showing how good you are but just thoughtful step by step instruction
Thanks!
Just wanted to say Barrett THANK YOU for posting this video! As a newer player (when I watched this in thick of the pandemic) I had a mediocre serve. But I got out in my driveway and worked on what you teach in this one, and now I get so many compliments (and sometimes win the point too!) with this serve.
Absolutely spot on...no body shape is the same. What works for one person may not work for anyone else just due to body make. However the 'basics of swing motion' to start serving is exactly that, a start. Next is just get that paddle and arm finishing to point to your direction. Start slow, get aim as next goal, aim for centre of court. Go through 'swing, and finishing stroke with hitting ball into centre of opposite court. Do this till you can put 10/10 shots IN. Enough, that's your start.
Thanks for stopping by and commenting again!
I practiced this serve for about 30 minutes after watching your video and felt like I owned it in that short period. I use this often now, mixing it in with other serves. It's really like a baseball pitcher, having a fastball to mix in with their other pitches. When this serve is thrown into the mix, I can usually get 2 aces per game. Well illustrated Barrett.
Breaking the wrist in the serve I believe not only changes the angle of the paddle way too quickly causing to paddle to hit the ball up way too high, but allowing for no topspin. Topspin requires the paddle to brush up behind the ball for any significant velocity of the ball.
I liked this because it is the same motion as in a nice golf swing!
Very much like a golf swing! Core! Good to know!
My husband and I are "old" (according to the youth) but new to pickleball. We are young and in great shape for our age. We've watch several of your videos for beginners today. Stopped at this one, knowing it is too advance. Our first experience with pickleball was yesterday, at a recreation center, indoor courts. Everyone was very welcoming, and helpful. Love your beginner videos. We will practice and play then review your videos again until we've mastered the basics. Thanks
Thank you Barrett! I already (almost) do this serve so now I just need to master the FLIP to get more power. You are such a detailed awesome instructor and I watch yours and others almost daily!
Thanks a lot! Make sure you check out the “easy power” video for more!
Great video. Your slow presentation on the serving process is awesome!! Thank you.
I’ve been practicing for a while. Using this shot, I’ve found that I can target the three critical serving area: close to baseline line
left and right and close to kitchen (external side). Since I’m serving close to the middle line, I’ve found that (serving from the left) sending a quick service along the middle line is very effective against lefty or people standing close to the exterior line. When people are standing closer to the middle line, a shot close to the exterior line and kitchen line is very effective. To be successful on the latter, I’ve found (by mistake!) that by shortening and reducing the hip rotation speed the ball can fall consistently just after the kitchen line. Have fun. I’m watching all your videos.
Great advice. I will definitely try it at my practice. have watched this video repeatedly. Thanks a mil
Great explanation and exceptional details are what make this better than the rest. He’s not just a self highlight reel he tells you everything you need to succeed-visually and verbally. 30 min of info in 11 min video. Well done!
Thank you I really appreciate it! I'm glad it's been helpful.
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This serve is still a work in progress for me, but when I get it right it is highly effective at keeping the returner off balance. The ball can go deep towards the middle or angle low towards the side out line just hugging over the net. When done right it forces your opponent to dig it out down low and they don't get much power behind their return. Much like a batter in baseball. If a pitcher can make the ball sink in most cases he'll sap the power behind a batter's swing. Last thing you want is a serve that's waist high where a returner can zip it back quickly. I had a few good ones today and I look forward to honing my technique on this serve.
You is a wonderfully humble teacher. I have learned much in your videos. I like how your instructions are not "must do's" but simply put out there as great suggestions to help improve our game. Also my niece says that you are easy on the eyes!
Thanks very much, I'm glad it's been helpful for you!
Really enjoyed the instruction. Also the fact you speak clearly.
Thanks!
Great instruction. Thank you
Wish I came across this much much sooner. Cannot wait to start trying this.
As a newbie to pickleball, I find your lessons are easy to follow and you present them in a "down to earth" manner. :)
Awesome! I'm glad they've been helpful!
Thank you for breaking down the details in sequence. Well done.
Thank you, the pleasure is mine!
Just getting started in the game so will need to work on this gradually. Great instruction. Thanks
My pleasure!
Thanks, very usefull. From Guadalajara Mexico.
I watched your video when I first started a year ago. Really practiced this hard serve, at first my opponents were saying I was hitting the ball above my waste. So I adjusted and have honed in on a really great hard serves. Which I save for game winning aces or if someone is staking and I can hit their back hand. Thanks for the lesson!
I can't believe it's been this long since I made this one. That's definitely a great way to use the serve! And you're welcome! Feel free to send me a video of your serve, I would love to see it.
Yes I am also a fan of not showing the power serve every time. It's in my tool bag when they start standing too close
Great video well explained and broken down into the basic core elements.
Thanks!
Tyson McGuffin uses a power serve almost exclusively. His instructional video on power serves emphasizes core rotation and a loose arm using a whip-like action to generate paddlehead speed. His coach, Morgan Evans talks about a kinetic chain where the hips clear first, then the shoulders with the arm whipping through last. Neither one talks about snapping the wrist prior to contact which would tend to make the serve inconsistent. Both these players have a strong tennis background where traditionally the wrist is firm at contact.
Thanks Wayne for the comment. Whipping your wrist too early will definitely make the serve inconsistent which is why it's important to push through the ball first. The breaking of the wrist happens naturally as you reach the end of the swing and typically occurs after the ball is struck. Looking back on it, I should have explained it better.
@@PickleballKitchen You should probably look into transferring your weight from rear to front. Standing as still as you do causes you to miss out on some power and, most importantly, stress your body more than needed.
New subscriber here! I've NEVER played pickle ball in my life but just ordered a beginner paddle and ball set online last night. I come from a strong tennis background, so I feel like I'm going to be naturally good at pickleball. It looks fun! I like the appeal of the easy serve (compared to tennis). I also have some new health issues and I feel like pickle ball will be easier on my body, but I can play competitively. I am enjoying your videos and plan to watch them all!
I used to play tennis and had to stop because of shoulder injury. By easy serve, do you mean not difficult or low velocity? I think having to transition from overhead serve to underhand serve puts the tennis players at a disadvantage initially. The big advantages for tennis players that I see are already knowing to use the entire body to swing, making decisions fast, and getting a good jump on the ball. I am having major problems with the small paddle and short handle.
Great lesson thank you very much!
Thank you and you're welcome!
Great lesson Barrett, you do a great job of breaking down the power serve!
Ray
Thanks!
great insight re rotating shoulders, hips and bringing weight off back foot to teh opposite foot. thanks dude.
Thanks for watching!
I also play disc golf and it amazing how much a drive is really similar to ripping a good serve. In fact when someone throws a good drive. We say that was a great trip or you really ripped that one or something to that effect. Point being the arm doesn't really matter as much as you would think at least for power and speed. That all starts in the hips.
Very nicely broken down and explained. Long swings like the PB underhand serve, have more components than small dink type shots. I also like how he is flexible and encourages you to add your own little twists that may work for you. Make your serve, your signature shot.
After all, it is the initiating stroke, not a resultant stroke as a consequence of someone else's shot such as a return of serve. Follow these clear suggestions and you will improve. Cheers!
Thanks!
Thank you so much for these tips!🇺🇸
My pleasure!
Good
Barrett do you have a video on how to go back on a lob over your head? I'm having a difficult time going back with the right angle to hit the ball. Really like your videos. Thanks Gary
Great tips, thanks
My pleasure.
Thank you for the tips. I am new to pickleball and trying to learn all I can. This is a random question. Who is the best player in the U.S for Men? Best mens doubles team. I am 38 years old. So my division.
Those senior citizens are about to get smoked on Thursday. I'm gonna be ripping those pickleballs all the live long day in my first ever time on the courts.
so good teacher, thanks
Thanks!
lmao "notice the explosiveness" 🤣
Very good!
Great instruction! A further question: At the beginning of the serve, is your wrist laid back?
Hi ! I’ve always been a lop server but aim very deep! Thinkin I can use my slicer shot with a drop serve! As a option !! Was told if your hot serve is being returned to abort it?? Great video! Thanks!
One of the best for pickleball instruction. Thank you so very much. I'm subscribed.
Thanks! It was my pleasure.
How can I get one of the instruction books? Please! Please!
Great explanation. I was wondering what kind of paddle you use because I was looking to get a new one. Can you please help me out
I have some resources on my website that will help. If you need more help after that feel free to contact me through the contact page.
I’d like to have seen the serve from a receivers point of view.
HI ...I enjoyed the lesson. Very helpful. I am just wondering where you got the standing basket that is holding the balls behind you?
One of my students gifted it to me. He works for BSN Sports so it should be on there.
Core mechanics are important in a large variety of sports!
True!
I’m gonna try this on my drop serve
Thank you Barrett, im new to Pickleball.. What model is your Assics your're wearing- Are they court shoes and do they support your lateral game on the gym floor.
I'm wearing Tyrol shoes these days.
Great video! The mechanics look similar for a groundstroke drive(?) Instead of underhand for a serve just use the same mechanics with a forehand. I find myself lacking power in my shots because I'm not following through with that wrist snap. I'm just pushing. I feel tension in my arm and wrist and after contact not "letting it go" to generate power. Anything you could recommend to break that tension, get that snap and follow-through? Thanks.
Yes exactly. Pushing is fine for now. If you want to get more power, focus on your core and shoulders rotating through the ball. The wrist snap comes later and is more advanced. Instructors like me don't teach that unless someone is very advanced. This is more of a "push through" then snap later. Hopefully that made sense.
A great way to get the snap is to make sure that you follow through like you see in the video. Pretend like you have a sandwich on the face of your paddle and just flip that thing over your shoulder! Try that then let me know how it goes.
Golfers know this move well. Hips, core and rotation generate power.
Yup!
I keep my feet planted in the floor. This bet will make a big difference with my soft serves. Can’t wait to try it!
Nice bio-mechanics....You sound like my kinesiology professor Dr. Guthrie at CSUN.....thank you for the great advice.
P.S. Your final statement he called "Summation of forces."
Thanks!
Great video. I went out today with a friend and we took turns practicing our serve (we've only been playing 2 mths). I hit several long and "loopy". What caused that? Got under it too much? Forgot to "push then flip" my paddle? Tks.
Sounds like your ball may be a little too high at the point of striking. If it's at or above your waist, it's very easy to get under it, launching the ball high and long. If you hit the ball while it's lower - closer to your mid-thigh - you can ensure that the hit is mainly propelling forward (with topspin). It depends on the natural length of your arms and legs, everyone has different ratios, but you should be able to feel it out. :)
Hi how do I direct the ball when I serve on the odd court? I need help with volley serve. I can only do drop serve
A new player here and this is very helpful. How do I add spin? I have no other racket experience. Thanks for your informative videos.
Try to brush up on the ball. But if you have no other racket sport experience, then I wouldn't worry about spin quite yet.
@@PickleballKitchen, thank you. I just want to get better and am amazed about the shots people can get. Sometimes I just want to duck and cover. I'll get better.
Hi, Can you do this if you drop the ball first?
How about the grip? Tight or loose?
I’m new to pickleball and the most frustrating intimidating thing I experience is practicing in group sessions with tennis players who are all about driving, slamming and ripping the ball long and never adding finesse or dinking. I like the way you play and instruct the game, Barrett, and I hope tennis players will adapt more. It’s very frustrating for beginners like me who have not played tennis but want to learn to play a finesse game.
Excellent comment, tennis players are trying to make the game theirs instead of adapting
just learn how to put the bangers on defense.... and make sure not to chase their out of bounds balls.
I know this comment is 2 years old, but until recently I hated playing with the former tennis players. However, they've forced me to learn how to slow and soften the ball, use angles to take their energy and drop it over the net near the farthest outside line, and stop reaching for every high fast ball .
If you're a beginner then why do you practice with advanced players who hit with authority? If you're new to baseball, you don't try to hit against a pitcher throwing 70 mph.
@@Pockets46 If I can make 3-pointers in basketball and you can't, am I supposed to "adapt" by not shooting them? Either learn to shoot them yourself or learn to defend them.
Do you have a book or video to buy?
I must say, the USAPA Places2Play iPhone app. looks like an extremely useful app for those wishing to find a place to play Pickleball! It seems odd it's not more widely known! Thank you 'Pickleball Kitchen'!
It is very useful! And the pleasure is mine!
What brand of paddle were you using to serve? I noticed it wasn't a Selkirk which you seem to have plenty. I play with the Invikta myself.
Yeah I have tons of paddles. The paddle that I'm using at the moment is the Prince Response Pro. I absolutely love it. There's a review of it on my channel somewhere. Thanks for stopping by!
@@PickleballKitchenI found and watched your video thanks. The Presponse works well for you on dink shots but how does it perform on drives and overhead smashes? I play singles and use the Selkirk Invikta but I struggle at the kitchen when playing doubles so perhaps the larger sweet spot on the Response Pro might help. None of the retailers here in Canada are carrying Prince paddles yet but I can order it online from PickleballCentral. Ironically, I own Prince tennis and squash racquets. Keep up the good work on your videos. :)
@@davel4467 Hey Dave, so sorry that I didn't see your reply. I think you will really like the sweet spot on the Response compared to the Invikta. Nothing wrong with the Invikta, but it's just more elongated is all.
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An excellent communicator and teacher. One point though. If one masters the rip serve what percentage of the time will that serve score a winner or create a situation where the opponent pops it up leading to a point? In open play I'm assuming the rip serve will be effective against players of mediocre to low skill but for advanced players my thinking is that the rip serve will not be a game changer. Show me the data that says this is a winning strategy and then I'm convinced. That's said, Barrett did make the disclaimer that he does not use it all the time and sometimes never. When one watches 5.0 tournaments with few exceptions, the serve is not a critical element in any match.
Thank you for the comments, I appreciate it. Yes, you’re right. A serve like this will often not produce any winners. But you do this serve for the same reason you do a lob serve. To change things up and catch your opponent off guard. If your opponent is getting back your ripped serves easily. Just focus on hitting topspin serves deep
Exactly. Not worth the risk.
The hard serve isn’t about getting winners. Like in other areas in pickleball, it’s about gaining an incremental advantage you can exploit. Specifically, you’re looking to purchase a short return of serve, or maybe preemptively mitigate an aggressive return. Either of these provide you with a better ball for your 3rd shot. It’s precisely at higher levels where advantages like these become most important. This is why play at the highest levels has seen a steady increase in the speed of serve.
@@TakeOffYourBoots I have hit ace serves on 3.5 male players and 4.0 female players but would not even attempt it on 4.5 or 5.0 players of either sex.
A small suggestion. Get some slow motion video in there. Otherwise, excellent!
The slow motion around the 8 minute mark is about the best I can do right now with the equipment that I have. Once I get some better gear I'll be able to and I'll be sure to put some slower bits in!
Agreed, without hip rotation you can never get any power.
Good video !!! I would probably not agree with breaking the wrist that way to decelerate, tennis players decelerate their forehand’s by pronation, but the rest is awesome. Thank you for this video that I can refer people in our group too. Well done.
Thanks for your thoughts and thanks for sharing. The wrist break at the end is how you get all the paddle head speed. That combined with the core rotation is where all the power comes from. Try it out and let me know what you think! Thanks for stopping by!
Pickleball Kitchen, I will try that, as a tennis player the ball has already left the racquet by the time the pronate happens so it’s a way that the racquet can continue to accelerate through impact. I think same with you, but I will check that out again. I totally agree with using your core, totally more accurate and easy power as well. Most players don’t learn that till late. It should be one of the first ways shown. Thanks for your reply.
Just watched again, since ball has already left your paddle below the belly button. The breaking of the wrist, which is different than tennis, just allows you to accelerate longer. Still good video. Awesome!!!
Hmm, I see what you mean. I may have to dig in a bit deeper. I need a camera that can do 100+ FPS so that I can see it in better slow-mo!
Wait, quick question for you. Where in the video are you watching? I may have an idea about something.
What if you use the bounce serve? Any special considerations?
Nope, pretty much the same thing. Just need to get a tad lower.
Where should a beginner stand when serving, as in horizontal position along back line?
I would stand about a foot or two back. That’ll give you room to step forward without stepping on the line.
@@PickleballKitchen thanks...how about horizontal position along the back line? In the middle?
Depends on the angle you want. If you want to try and hit their sideline, then stand more towards your sideline. If you want to hit their centerline, then stand at your centerline.
After the serve, if you want to RIP a return would the motion be the same? Well, probably not the same as he rock back as the return would be a quicker motion.
Yes exactly. You can also apply the same principle to 3rd shot drives.
Looks like kinetic chain- like in tennis and other sports: load and explode.
Oh my gosh! This is why my backhand serve (left side) has speed and force & my forehand serve (right side) has none. It's a full body movement, I twist at my hips, my shoulders are involved, almost like a lefty batter following through a hit or like I'm taking a golf swing.
Continental grip or eastern forehand grip on the serve?
I would go primarily continental.
I’d love to see these shots in slo-mo. Thx.
Barrett has has the paddle/ball contact already completed before you break the wrist or are you trying to impart any spin on the ball with that wrist breaking motion?
The contact of the ball has already happened before the wrist breaks. I did not explain this very well in the video. I will probably make an update video at some point to clarify. The wrist just breaks naturally after you hit the ball.
Thanks Barrett. I was just working on it today. Actually concentrated on the wrist break just as a mechanism to make sure I completed the follow through. This "Hit Thru The Ball" gave me a little more of the desired explosiveness!
That's awesome, Cliff! I'm glad it's been useful for you. Yes, just make sure that you don't break your wrist as you're hitting. If so, trouble will be right around the corner!
My serve is somewhat similar, but I slice across the ball on the upward stroke to add spin to it. Is this illegal?
Nope!
It looks like you’re tossing the ball up just slightly on most of those. Is this legal? Thanks
Is it 100% topspin or is there a little hook spin too?
It's primarily topspin.
At 7:16 if that's illegal...then what would Tyson McGuffin and Dekel Bar's servers classified as?!
It looked great did all the balls go over the net? It looked like a lot of low shots into the net.
Most of them should have. It's been awhile since I recorded this one.
Why would you add the flip at the end of the motion? How does that help anything?
Which part are you talking about in particular? The whip motion or the followthrough?
Is a downSpin pickleball serve possible?
Do you mean topspin? Yes absolutely.
@@PickleballKitchen: I mean DownSpin(reverse English)
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Once the ball is in play downSpin is possible, but it appears that all Pickleball servers require an upward motion of the racket.
thank you.
nice video
Thanks!
I don't understand why you wouldn't use this serve if you can get it in consistently. Is there some other serve that's even harder to handle? If so, I'd love to see a video about it.
Where can I get one of those sweet shirts?
I'm not making shirts right now, but I will in the future! Thanks!
It's like pitching a baseball or swinging a bat. Throw your weight into it. That will probably help save my shoulder some.
This is very similar to the mechanics of a golf swing.
Yes it does, although it doesn’t have to be. I come from 20 years of golf so that’s how I do it naturally. But you don’t have to swing like a golfer in order to make it work.
Liking your videos and thanks for the adult style background music,,,thumbs up
Thanks!
Same as tennis
Do you also serve overhead to do kick serves in this game?
No, underhand serves only.
@@PickleballKitchen Oh well in that case then I will just try the reverse whip. This game is alot more restrictive than tennis.
Cool video but serve might not be legal in match play. Ball contact has to be below naval (rules say waist hit specify waist as mid section) which some of yours were, there has to be an upwards motion when making contact with the ball as well as no more than a 45 • angle of paddle, basically can’t break the wrist or let any part of your paddle go above the hand. You did put a lot of good core mechanics into the stroke portion though, so good job there and these can be safely implemented into legal power shots , but I feel like some places would call you out on this in the 4.0+ play realm or maybe it’s just the angle of the camera from where we can see it but if you just play recreationally, no big deal, having fun is priority #1 on those days! 👍
It's perfectly legal man and I've never been called on it over the last 2 years. It's probably the camera angle and the lens. Thanks for stopping by!
Where are you getting the rule of "no more than a 45 • angle of paddle"? As far as I know, that is not in the rule book. I think these serves are all legal.
What grip.
I am trying to get speed WITHOUT breaking my wrist. I was using my wrist and I got tennis elbow.
you have to break your wrist. thats where the whip is at. think loose wrist.
Will this power serve be illegal in 2023? There is top spin involved
Most of the power in the serve comes from the levers that are moving the fastest, which bend at the shoulder, elbow, and especially the wrists. A vast minority comes from the hips. To verify, try to pin your arm to your side with no motion from the shoulder on down. How much speed can you generate on the ball by rotating your hips? Very little. Now stand sideways to the court and immobilize yours hips and swing with your arm, using a free-flowing motion, moving your shoulder, elbow, and wrist. A lot more speed is generated. Your same ideas is suggested for the golf swing, which proves false for it as well. Golfers standing on their knees and not rotating their hips can hit the ball over 200 yards! Again, the "speediest" levers are in the arms.
Michael Christensen 200yrds?
what club?
Yes, Gary Wiren did it. I can't find the video, but I'm still looking.
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Here's a 328 hard drive from the knees. ruclips.net/video/VUFRIUVrA8A/видео.html
I have read the original rules of pickleball and it is illegal to break wrist also the swing should be in under hand motion, The founders of pickleball meant for the serve to put ball in play not to score point, as is the bounce rule to return of serve.
The original rules of pickleball are irrelevant now, though, aren't they? The important thing is the current rules of pickleball. There are three requirements, and I feel this service motion satisfies all three.
When you are hitting the ball it looks like they would all be heading into the net.
It's been forever since I recorded this, but probably not. The lens on the camera does weird things to the perception of shots.
@@PickleballKitchen That would be kind of funny though. Thanks for the reply and the recommendation on PB balls. How does a player get ranked? What is the beginner level ranking?
I come from the island of Kalimantan, Indonesia, I really want to learn about pickleball, but I don't have the cost to buy a paddle, if you are willing to help to give me a paddle, then I will feel very happy and very grateful to you, no need for expensive the important thing is I can have it
Is there anyone in San Diego who can teach me how to do spin, topspin and other winning serves
There are definitely people. Go to IPTPA’s website and look around there for level 2 instructors
Another variation you can include for +power is bending at the knees and exploding upward during the serve motion. This is what a lot of martial artists do to generate their power, from the ground, during a punch/strike. Push with the legs and entire core. Think of your body as a whip, with the handle being your feet grounded to the court, and your paddle being the very tip.
The harder my opponents hit their serves, the easier it is for me to return deep. I see little benefit to serving hard, but I’m not an expert.
TN6565 - True, you are not. Put into a mix of serves, the power serve to attack an opponent’s preference you have painstakingly set up can be devastating.