Derren Brown vs 9 Chess Players

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  • Опубликовано: 26 янв 2025

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  • @Roflmeowz
    @Roflmeowz 9 лет назад +5399

    "I've been familiarizing myself with your games, whats your name?"

    • @ayylmao3480
      @ayylmao3480 9 лет назад +32

      xD

    • @davidpham4709
      @davidpham4709 8 лет назад +46

      Dr Seuss status confirmed

    • @brianwurzburg1318
      @brianwurzburg1318 8 лет назад +33

      Roflmeowz hahahaha I didn't even notice that

    • @MelodyLiuJade
      @MelodyLiuJade 8 лет назад +19

      Roflmeowz lol I noticed that

    • @plasticbudgie
      @plasticbudgie 8 лет назад +125

      well i believe he knew the name. it's merely good tv presenting, as it's better to hear a person introduce them selves, rather than derren do it for them.

  • @dextermanus
    @dextermanus 9 лет назад +3579

    'I've studied you all for a year.
    What's your name?'
    Haha this is too funny, and a wonderful illusion :)

    • @ROCdevelopments
      @ROCdevelopments 9 лет назад +4

      +Nick Dijkstra I thought about that too.

    • @bullsquid42
      @bullsquid42 9 лет назад +3

      +Nick Dijkstra Yup, that was brilliant xD

    • @JansenBaja
      @JansenBaja 9 лет назад +8

      Right! didn't catch that till you mentioned it

    • @c0ven0323
      @c0ven0323 8 лет назад +2

      +Nick Dijkstra He never said he studied them...

    • @user-iz2oj8dd6j
      @user-iz2oj8dd6j 7 лет назад +16

      I think it's just so ingrained in his system to say "What's your name?" when he speaks to someone in the audience that he just does it automatically

  • @ChadeGB
    @ChadeGB 9 лет назад +1773

    And here's me not able to remember what i had for lunch yesterday.

    • @kimono7350
      @kimono7350 9 лет назад +2

      +Mayyanatai what colour is the sky in your world, m8?

    • @conceptual0theorist
      @conceptual0theorist 9 лет назад

      Kimono haha i was trolling ;)

    • @VosovioYTC
      @VosovioYTC 8 лет назад +5

      +Kimono why? The sky's not florescent yellow in yours?

    • @po2randall
      @po2randall 7 лет назад +2

      he is telling a lie when he said he couldn't remember how he got the number because he is the leader of the Illuminati *plays x files music*

    • @PaladinswordSaurfang
      @PaladinswordSaurfang 6 лет назад +2

      Well yesterday is 24 hours ago, not 20 seconds ago.

  • @torush1xryke
    @torush1xryke 8 лет назад +2717

    Man, off by a trillion.

  • @RandomTask
    @RandomTask 9 лет назад +1774

    he says his chess is 'shit' yet genuinely beats the president of the chess society. Bet that guy feels like shit having learned that!

    • @matthewbolan8154
      @matthewbolan8154 9 лет назад +319

      Im president of a fairly large chess society. My rating is 1200. You dont need to be good to rule the good.

    • @RandomTask
      @RandomTask 9 лет назад +143

      Being a non-chess player myself, I have no idea what that rating means. I suspect Derren was downplaying his abilities for effect.

    • @matthewbolan8154
      @matthewbolan8154 9 лет назад +77

      cartti1000 it means 4 weeks of hard study will make you better than me.

    • @matthewbolan8154
      @matthewbolan8154 9 лет назад +27

      +cartti1000 Oh yeah. Derren probably plays really well actually.

    • @mariusperiwinkle6587
      @mariusperiwinkle6587 9 лет назад +59

      +Matthew Bolan I kind of suspect that the cheated somehow with the one "genuine" game. If he had lost the one game, the whole production would have to be scrapped, which probably would be too risky financially, as they would have to start from scratch and find 9 new very skilled chess players. Or he had a backup plan in case he lost. Some sort of twist, that would remove the focus on too some other aspect. I think he must have had an alternative endgame.

  • @TheGravityTurtles
    @TheGravityTurtles 5 лет назад +374

    That one guy was like “I’ve been grand champion three times of course i won”

    • @9k49
      @9k49 4 года назад +34

      That guy (Julian Hodgson) is now 222nd in the world for chess (7th in England)

    • @ejstephens7918
      @ejstephens7918 3 года назад +20

      I mean he did beat a legitimately good opponent, just not the one he thought he did lol

    • @DaviniaHill
      @DaviniaHill 19 дней назад

      he's been a champion, you only get to be a GM once

  • @tyleremery7088
    @tyleremery7088 5 лет назад +110

    "Congrats, you just played -yourself- that guy over there."

  • @20cnVision
    @20cnVision 8 лет назад +428

    "Hey, I invited all of you just to prove that I can rek you easy in chess"
    What a gentleman.

  • @Frank_Nemo
    @Frank_Nemo 3 года назад +163

    How the number prediction is done is shown at 6:18. It was a misdirection followed with the paper from the pocket being swapped for another, written after, in Derren's right hand. The later 'prediction' is then displayed with the original being hidden behind it. It also explains why the original prediction had the same first digit error as his whiteboard, he just remembered that wrong and it ended up on both. That swap took some serious skill.

    • @AlexRoseGames
      @AlexRoseGames 2 года назад +23

      the reason the first digit is "wrong" is because it was always 6, the guy's hand is holding that end of the paper the whole time and he can't swap it out. He sticks the rest of the paper onto that first sheet. So the 6 was always going to be wrong unless he just happened to get lucky. he lets the guy hold out the 6 which he knew would be a 6 because he already pre decided it would be a 6, then does a swap on the entire rest of the sheet

    • @DerMichael
      @DerMichael 2 года назад +4

      @@AlexRoseGames Only that you can see the 5 at 6:16, not the 6...

    • @DerMichael
      @DerMichael 2 года назад +7

      At 6:18 the numbers are already correct. You can see 7 _ 611 and the 5 at the end flashes before that already, too. The swap has to happen sooner or during a cut.

    • @LucaBunny.
      @LucaBunny. 2 года назад

      Ooh interesting take

    • @curtiswatson4192
      @curtiswatson4192 2 года назад +31

      @@AlexRoseGames I agree but i also think there's a clever psychological trick in getting the first number "wrong". by getting it wrong, the audience is more inclined to belive the authenticity that it was some amazing mind reading trick from Derren. If it was all completely correct, the general public would be likely to assume its too far fetched, but if one aspect is wrong they will think, "that part was wrong, so it can't be a trick, as a trick would result in perfection". It happens often in Derren's shows I've noticed, there's always one minor thing that "goes wrong" and lends authenticity to the illusion.

  • @AlbieW7
    @AlbieW7 6 лет назад +111

    these players were some of the most polite and generally pleasant people I’ve seen

    • @alexanderturner6670
      @alexanderturner6670 3 года назад +8

      There are two types of English people. The rude ones and the polite ones

    • @jaylenlenear3944
      @jaylenlenear3944 2 года назад +7

      Hodgson was a bit arrogant

    • @noodlebomber
      @noodlebomber Год назад +1

      I agree

    • @onc-g9z
      @onc-g9z 10 дней назад +1

      ​@@jaylenlenear3944 Because he said he was one of England's best players? That wasn't arrogance that was just him putting Derren's loss to him into context for the benefit of the audience.

    • @jaylenlenear3944
      @jaylenlenear3944 10 дней назад

      @@onc-g9z nah delivery says otherwise

  • @redpred3502
    @redpred3502 6 лет назад +550

    I struggle to believe none of these players realised what was happening, especially when they're playing different colours with the other boards obscured from vision. They also don't seem surprised that Derren would go all the way around the circle before making his move on the opening turn. On top of the fact that this is an extremely well known chess trick for simultaneous games.

    • @ToxicatedLum
      @ToxicatedLum 6 лет назад +80

      It's definitely believable in a tv setting, an odd environment and it's also why he has the number at the end.. no matter what they believe at the start it will be influenced by the number at the end.

    • @Shiba9870
      @Shiba9870 6 лет назад +16

      ToxicatedLum maybe this is because its about 14 years old

    • @aaddiis45021
      @aaddiis45021 5 лет назад +2

      Ya it's really well known I mean I found it myself (without knowing it's a common trick). And defeated fritz at max level.

    • @tombstoneharrystudios584
      @tombstoneharrystudios584 5 лет назад +58

      The instant I saw this on the original TV show, I thought "He's doing the old Mirror Chess trick!"
      I was a member of my chess club at school and a mediocre one at that, but the Chess Club president was also the Mathematics Teacher and had shown us that technique as part of an end-of-term puzzle/trick.
      However, the pressure of being filmed, alongside with a whole load of other factors, might have meant that this slipped their minds.
      Or, they sort of guessed he was doing that trick, but went along with it for entertainment purposes. By the time Derren did the show he was already quite well known and not even chess grandmasters are immune to being starstruck!

    • @Diffusion8
      @Diffusion8 4 года назад +1

      Exactly! They were literally blinded by the bright lights of TV and DB!

  • @geniegen523
    @geniegen523 8 лет назад +846

    The guy he played genuinely called him on par atleast with a grandmaster...

    • @saamspam6127
      @saamspam6127 6 лет назад +109

      Genie Gen Given his memory, it wouldn’t surprise me if the dude is rated 1800 without any serious practice. I wouldn’t put him above that though

    • @NetAndyCz
      @NetAndyCz 6 лет назад +105

      He is good chess player no magic trick to that. And he has excellent memory and practices that as well. It is no magic, it is just skill.

    • @SJNaka101
      @SJNaka101 6 лет назад +143

      That's because he just watched the guy win against several grandmasters and also lost to him. So, in that moment, it definitely will feel like he's grandmaster level. But, if he analyzed the game later, I'm sure that he would find his opponent wasn't nearly as accurate as a grandmaster.

    • @hutchyy6836
      @hutchyy6836 5 лет назад +30

      6 fth 1800 without practice? have you ever played the game lol

    • @pruke8720
      @pruke8720 5 лет назад +28

      @Mikkel Grabinski he said his chess was shit lol chill

  • @BombDonald
    @BombDonald 9 лет назад +1011

    I feel like a GM would be quite skeptical after 1. e4 and their opponent simply walks away instead of playing a simple opening move.

    • @albertjurcisin8944
      @albertjurcisin8944 6 лет назад +70

      Especially since according to the chess rules you cannot leave the table during your own turn.

    • @andrewsparkes8829
      @andrewsparkes8829 6 лет назад +18

      @@albertjurcisin8944 He didn't leave any table until the turn was over, though.

    • @A11sopp
      @A11sopp 6 лет назад +218

      @@albertjurcisin8944 You can leave the table whenever you want during chess matches. Strong players often wander around tournament halls and watch over games between moves.

    • @BaldMancTwat
      @BaldMancTwat 6 лет назад +79

      No, why would they be sceptical? It's a TV show where he plays 9 chess players at once. Of course he's gonna leave the table.

    • @albertjurcisin8944
      @albertjurcisin8944 6 лет назад +16

      @@A11sopp You are correct. I was misled by Peter Svidler´s story. Once he wasn´t able to leave the table for a longer period of time because of the fast moving opponent. Therefore Peter made the move, covered his eyes and left the table so that he wouldn´ t see the opponent´s immediate response.

  • @WD_Unieles
    @WD_Unieles 8 лет назад +633

    Next stage: Derren Brown (with a nuclear weapon) vs United Nation

    • @nathanpalmer2581
      @nathanpalmer2581 8 лет назад +4

      sanction him with their army, wait a minute they don't have an army then STFUP

    • @riotpoliceTRELL
      @riotpoliceTRELL 7 лет назад +3

      Derren brown doesn't need a bomb to be a weapon lol

    • @manictiger
      @manictiger 6 лет назад +2

      Joke's on you. They're actually nanite bombs and now there's a ring world around the sun that can comfortably house 2 trillion people, wildlife, oceans, etc.
      You thought I was going to destroy everything, but I deceived you and now there's nothing to fight over. There's more wealth than anyone could ever need in this lifetime!
      Checkmate!

  • @tckchannel4435
    @tckchannel4435 7 лет назад +241

    So the results were:
    Table 1: Graham Lee (Fide Master) drew Table 5: Desmond Tan (Former England Jr),
    Table 2: John Emms (Grandmaster) lost to Table 6: Jonathan Lewitt (Grandmaster),
    Table 3: Julian Hodson (Grandmaster ) won Table 7: Chris Ward (Grandmaster),
    Table 4: Paul Littlewood (International Master) won Table 8: Nathan Alfred (Fide Master),
    Table 9: Robert Chan (President of Chess Society) lost to Derren Brown.

    • @kkarx
      @kkarx 6 лет назад +13

      The president should have handed in his notice for losing to an amateur or Derren did not have to do any tricks and might just play them all.

    • @mirjamheijn5214
      @mirjamheijn5214 6 лет назад +24

      He was smart enough to put the grandmasters against each other, so that he would at least get 1 grandmaster win.

    • @gezzarandom
      @gezzarandom 6 лет назад +8

      @@mirjamheijn5214 Or two stalemates lol.

    • @mirjamheijn5214
      @mirjamheijn5214 6 лет назад +11

      @@gezzarandom at grandmaster level, two stalemates is statistically unlikely. And to be honest, 4 stalemates against grandmasters wouldn't look that bad.

    • @Ibegood
      @Ibegood 5 лет назад +14

      @@mirjamheijn5214 I'm really late here, but stalemates are actually far more common at higher ELO's. Look up the TCEC Championship where they have computers with 3000+ ELO's play if you don't believe me.

  • @benoid4474
    @benoid4474 8 лет назад +1225

    4:27 what an awkward giggle xD

    • @axarabiotis
      @axarabiotis 8 лет назад +12

      +XxSoreThumbGamesxX xD i was about to comment it

    • @Chh897
      @Chh897 8 лет назад +5

      hahaha

    • @KiryuNashi
      @KiryuNashi 8 лет назад +61

      he will get his ass whipped by his asian parents "WHY YU NOT WIN?!?!?"

    • @ericlee8638
      @ericlee8638 8 лет назад +6

      Ser Davos racist

    • @ThePat1221
      @ThePat1221 8 лет назад +4

      You lack appreciation for the finer points of bad behaviour...

  • @gezzarandom
    @gezzarandom 6 лет назад +109

    I think the grandmasters felt a lot better when they found out they were really playing postal chess with each other 😂

    • @wolt3029
      @wolt3029 Год назад +8

      not number 9 :(

    • @julianhodgson1961
      @julianhodgson1961 10 месяцев назад +10

      Yep - we all had a pretty good idea of exactly what was going on - Derren was miked up - I’m not sure he even knew how the pieces moved - I knew within a couple of moves I was actually playing a friend of mine GM Chris Ward.
      I remember thinking at the time what an absolute fraud this all was so I assume that all of DBs stuff is equally fraudulent.
      I only found out a year or so later after the program aired how he won the ninth game. There was an IM in a far off room messaging him the moves. The IM was also using the top computer engine of the time to make sure he didn’t blunder. I know the name of the IM but obviously it’s not fair on him to reveal who it was.
      And finally I would agree that I did come off as a bit arrogant.

    • @SathvickSatish
      @SathvickSatish 10 месяцев назад +2

      @@julianhodgson1961oh damn, I knew something was off when he won against Robert. The guy mentioned that Derren played like a GM which was very surprising considering how Derren said that his chess was crap. So either Derren was lying about his chess skills or he used some external help. Unfortunately, i guess it was the latter.

    • @chessmanwriter12
      @chessmanwriter12 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@julianhodgson1961 That's so cool to hear you talk about what happened. I'm an NM so I've been curious about this for years. That's disappointing winning the 9th game was as simple as him being mic'd up like that. It sounds like he may have even needed to be mic'd up to remember the moves between the boards lol.
      The last part I wonder is how he did the trick with the numbers. Sleight of hand is definitely possible but seems difficult since it was from his inner coat pocket.

  • @ShadowViking47
    @ShadowViking47 6 лет назад +73

    2:45 this dude 100% knew as soon as he just walked away without playing. No player would ever do that in a simul

  • @chrisSo91
    @chrisSo91 18 дней назад +7

    The chess players definitely knew what was happening, and confirmed it with each other when they talked about the games afterwards. They were playing along and being good sports about it.

    • @jonfromtheuk467
      @jonfromtheuk467 17 дней назад +1

      yes, for them they could see, but for the rest of us it would be new, but the real trick was the prediction.......

  • @skycanth1969
    @skycanth1969 8 лет назад +316

    Robert must feel really good knowing that he lost to a player who 'sucks' at chess.

    • @iamamazing1885
      @iamamazing1885 6 лет назад +41

      Yeah you would have thought if Derren was actually terrible he would still lose to the weakest of those people

    • @oneeyedsleep4107
      @oneeyedsleep4107 6 лет назад

      iamamazing ikr

    • @brdyyt6702
      @brdyyt6702 6 лет назад +16

      Yes, I would suggest that Darren is actually a very good chess player

    • @boliussa
      @boliussa 4 года назад +1

      @@iamamazing1885 DUDE he cheated against all of them.

    • @boliussa
      @boliussa 4 года назад +1

      @@brdyyt6702 Do you not know what a magician is. You are so gullible it's ridiculous

  • @Cream147player
    @Cream147player 9 лет назад +727

    Knew there was something fishy about having a simple chess society president in amongst all these masters and grandmasters

    • @stephify
      @stephify 7 лет назад +228

      hes not just a simple chess society president, hes still 2200 rating

    • @oms3752
      @oms3752 7 лет назад

      Cream147player and

    • @declanesquire
      @declanesquire 6 лет назад +65

      how the F*** did he beat someone with 2200 rating, he mustve used a computer

    • @joshuaslattery2416
      @joshuaslattery2416 6 лет назад +98

      probably mimicked the strongest player till the game was different.

    • @mizofan
      @mizofan 6 лет назад +8

      and then?

  • @samstevens6544
    @samstevens6544 8 лет назад +190

    This is really one of my very favourite Derren routines and I adore the showmanship. "Please bear in mind, my chess is shit."
    "Uh, good evening"

    • @NeaEmrys
      @NeaEmrys 6 лет назад +6

      Except his chess isn't shit. XD He's just lying his ass off.

    • @duanedibbley258
      @duanedibbley258 6 лет назад +1

      Nea Emrys he’s telling the truth, his method isn’t what you think it is, Derren is a magician

  • @rami_ungar_writer
    @rami_ungar_writer 9 лет назад +222

    Those are some incredible feats of memory right there.

    • @mewithmychick6960
      @mewithmychick6960 6 лет назад +3

      Why?

    • @amanofculture4892
      @amanofculture4892 6 лет назад +15

      @@mewithmychick6960 As long as you can remember the last 8 moves and not goof up, it's really easy. His sheer ability to fuck with people is out of this world, though.

    • @LaughingInfidel
      @LaughingInfidel 5 лет назад +5

      He's a good player for real, so since he understands the moves, they'd be easier to remember than you might think.

  • @manarhany8715
    @manarhany8715 7 лет назад +40

    "as for how I predicted the numbers... I don't remember good night" this guy is a legit legend what a smart-ass

  • @Gemini535
    @Gemini535 8 лет назад +488

    I spent a year studying you all for this, by the way whats your name again? lol

    • @nicbentulan
      @nicbentulan 4 года назад +6

      oh maybe it's plausible that derren brown didn't know them by face? i knew a guy in my alma mater's chess team or something, and he didn't know wesley so by face (i'm filipino). (of course derren brown just put them all against each other, so whatever. lol.)

    • @ReligionAndMaterialismDebunked
      @ReligionAndMaterialismDebunked 4 года назад +3

      @@nicbentulan I'm in the Philippines, but I'm from America. But I'm not Filipino.

    • @nicbentulan
      @nicbentulan 4 года назад +2

      @@ReligionAndMaterialismDebunked i'm not in the philippines, but i'm filipino XD

  • @corey613io
    @corey613io 9 лет назад +693

    Wait what!? You're not gonna tell us how you got the numbers????

    • @alicjagryzbowski964
      @alicjagryzbowski964 9 лет назад +78

      +corey yoo Magic *snort snort*

    • @ccccoooooollll
      @ccccoooooollll 8 лет назад +153

      +corey yoo its fake dude, those grand masters arent so stupid and they should know at the first moves that he is mirrowing, no good chess player let the opponent move and then go away without moving, espically if it is the opening and you can actually respond very fast

    • @RunnyMoney6
      @RunnyMoney6 8 лет назад +70

      How is it faked? Anyone could literally do this. He was mirroring the games so one of the had to lose and one had to win....

    • @ccccoooooollll
      @ccccoooooollll 8 лет назад +41

      WristyTheMod its fake because the grandmasters are fucking actors, they are like "oooh how the fuck did he beat us? he is soooo goood" its just everything fucking acted and the thing with the paper is pure fake, for real there is no other way to explain how he got the numbers, i am professional chess player if you want to know it you can trust me

    • @RunnyMoney6
      @RunnyMoney6 8 лет назад +77

      ccccoooooollll I think the only thing faked is the numbers but the logic in the chess playing was flawless. I don't care if you think you're a professional chess player, this video works out legit.

  • @shawnlong4039
    @shawnlong4039 4 года назад +18

    This is why a true Simul (Simultaneous Exhibition) has 1 expert chess player playing White against everyone else with Black, so that you can't mirror moves like this (Seems like these GM's should have objected). Usually, White will make a move and go on to the next player and each Black player will wait for them to come back around so that the White player can see their opponent actually making the next move. Also, since it is indeed a challenge to play so many games at once, having the same color helps avoid confusion. Thus we end up with a better chess simul exhibition all around.
    This was still very clever and interesting. I don't know how he did the numbers. I think he might have switched out the papers by slight of hand at the end there. He tells the player whom had received the envelope before play commenced to now open the envelope. Notice that he starts touching the envelope at the same time as him and helping him. I think he switched it with a new one where he wrote down the correct number of remaining pieces and hid the other. (The one error, wrong number of remaining pieces, was done on purpose to add realism).

    • @AlexRoseGames
      @AlexRoseGames 2 года назад

      the remaining number wasn't done on purpose to add realism, it was done because that's where he made the swap at 6:17 .
      the guy's hand was always clasping on the left hand, he tells him "you just take that there" and lets him hold the 6. the 6 was always a 6, and that's why he "incorrectly predicts it", he literally just incorrectly predicted that one. the rest of the numbers he then affixes to the first sheet to make one long sheet that he is controlling and all the folds make it unclear where it was stuck on. every number other than the 6 he pushes, the 6 is the only one that was always in the envelope
      I don't know how he beat the other chess guy though without an earpiece. maybe something to do with the screens, or the cameraman somehow giving signals or something with another master off screen playing that game

  • @Bobstew68
    @Bobstew68 5 лет назад +25

    The pairing thing must've been incredibly obvious to the chess players at the time. Starting off by watching the first move of four tables without replying?

  • @AwkwardTurtle311
    @AwkwardTurtle311 9 месяцев назад +6

    I was told a story by a navy sailer who said a woman interrupted 2 chess masters on the ship asking to play, the old masters didn’t want to stop their game to teach/beat a beginner.
    So she challenged them both and bet that she could at least win 1 game. She ended up winning 1 game by copying 1 of her opponents responses and playing it against the other master. I’m happy to now understand that this story was more than just possible.

  • @dogsgottaloveem383
    @dogsgottaloveem383 8 лет назад +624

    LOL, hes making them play eachother basically, that is wonderful

    • @RodZilla11
      @RodZilla11 7 лет назад +17

      Amaya K That explanation does not adequately relay HOW he remembered each MOVE, given the complexity of world class chess strategy. There is no way, that a Grand Master followed a specific course that a novice would be able to navigate since two players at different tables would be responding differently.

    • @damianstarr1696
      @damianstarr1696 7 лет назад +62

      you remember the position the piece lands on... not too hard is it? Derran isn't doing any of the strategic thinking apart from in game 9

    • @Devilofdoom
      @Devilofdoom 6 лет назад +53

      David Rodgers
      I have no idea what you're on about. The complexity of the games is irrelevant. He only has to remember the one move from each table.

    • @christopherknight893
      @christopherknight893 6 лет назад +2

      David Rodgers not sure if you’re still interested... BUT you should look up “Scam School The most epic chess scam of all time” if you don’t believe that is how he won a bunch of games

    • @gamerdio2503
      @gamerdio2503 6 лет назад +2

      There have been Grandmasters who played multiple games at once

  • @Mo_998
    @Mo_998 9 лет назад +115

    12 years old content, and I still got this shit on a hard drive!

    • @PsychedbE
      @PsychedbE 9 лет назад +3

      +Mahmood S ...Can"t ever catch up on downloading the whole internet anymore... everything is out there in kazillion formats n channels n clouds n backbones n ... NLP loop of madness.

    • @Mo_998
      @Mo_998 9 лет назад +1

      Too right pal.

    • @Sorenbaa
      @Sorenbaa 7 лет назад +4

      I will comment again on this in 12 see you until then

    • @Mist5095
      @Mist5095 7 лет назад +1

      13 year content now

    • @chaytonarthur9984
      @chaytonarthur9984 6 лет назад

      Garden tools is nice 11 more years

  • @Jack-qp9ky
    @Jack-qp9ky 6 лет назад +115

    “I genuinely cant remember” my arse

    • @kristofferlinden6306
      @kristofferlinden6306 4 года назад +1

      Read a book by dominic o'brien

    • @dabeveryday9991
      @dabeveryday9991 4 года назад +3

      no shit sherlock, have you ever thought about becoming a human lie detector? it would suit you perfectly

    • @Xyponx
      @Xyponx 4 года назад

      Gotta keep some secrets my guy, it'd be boring if we always knew how it worked ;)

  • @billmotley
    @billmotley 6 лет назад +12

    I would have been well stunned if he had only demonstrated how it is hypothetically possible to pull off playing 8 masters against each other, with the difficulty being the need to remember each corresponding move. Getting it done floors me.
    Although the polished finish was astonishing, in order to show the number of all of the opponent's remaining pieces (well, almost all), he likely flipped to working his stage "magic" to accomplish that.

  • @johnmcgurk1690
    @johnmcgurk1690 6 лет назад +52

    I took part in a rehearsal of this in Warren Street in London in late 2003. I can tell you that in our rehearsal the exact same thing happened minus a couple of production issues with the crew. The main difference is that the number on the envelope was spot on, 9/9, in my case, and not 8/9 like here. Still figuring it out...
    As for the choice of players, I personally play a bit (I was contacted through a chess union) so I was avoided as the 9th player. My friend on the other hand introduced herself with " Nice to meet you, although I haven't played chess since I was about 3!" He had his 9th player identified right there

    • @arandombard1197
      @arandombard1197 4 года назад +4

      He swapped the letter at some point. It's quite straight forward when you think about it because there is no other physical way such a thing could be done. He even admitted he didn't play the game himself so it was impossible to influence the results (not that it would be particularly doable anyway.

    • @ianwebb6182
      @ianwebb6182 3 года назад

      They were probably all playing against a computer which forced endings that had the right number of pieces. Not an exact science but close enough to amaze people. It also needed to force equal number of wins/loses/draws to give the impression that he was playing the players against each other - which wasn't actually happening.

    • @jonfromtheuk467
      @jonfromtheuk467 3 года назад

      @@arandombard1197 Agreed - he simply switched the envelopes - he is a master pickpocket

    • @danielbures9553
      @danielbures9553 15 дней назад

      @johnmcgurk1690 Did anyone figure out that he was using the simuk trick? Was anyone sus that he wasn't playing only white?

  • @travispickle7591
    @travispickle7591 5 лет назад +6

    This entire show is like one big fever dream

  • @RomanWaper
    @RomanWaper 9 лет назад +35

    One of my favorite segments!

  • @ctsirkass
    @ctsirkass 8 лет назад +248

    My god. When I saw the title of this video I thought to myself "I hope this is not the old classic trick when you transfer the moves between boards!". Yeap, all chess players know this trick and you can bet the grandmasters knew even before the went there. When I saw that the opponents had different colours I immediately knew. You see, simultaneous games place all opponents on the same colour (usually black), just to avoid this little trick.

    • @g.dejong7804
      @g.dejong7804 7 лет назад +95

      Christos Tsirkas You are a genius. Now fix the Greek financial crisis

    • @1001011011010
      @1001011011010 7 лет назад +7

      G.B de Jong it's not too hard to guess especially when he said he wasn't that good

    • @Justin-so1xs
      @Justin-so1xs 6 лет назад +11

      Christos Tsirkas And you think it’s that easy to play one actual game while also memorizing all the moves of the 8 others?

    • @meowlmeowl-gi4925
      @meowlmeowl-gi4925 6 лет назад +15

      J Kooch66 if you do play chess it's not that difficult also, he was essentially memoring 4 games
      GMs or IMs can essentially play opponents blindfolded i.e., board in their mind so yeah its very possible and not that hard with practice

    • @martinconneally8756
      @martinconneally8756 6 лет назад +1

      J Kooch66 it actually is pretty simple

  • @SanRemoMotelBar
    @SanRemoMotelBar 6 лет назад +3

    "As for how I predicted the number of pieces left on each board; I genuinely can't remember." Nice touch.

  • @_SliK_
    @_SliK_ 4 года назад +10

    Love how he left us hanging at the end about remembering the numbers lol😂

  • @MAXIMUMv
    @MAXIMUMv 2 года назад +4

    I know there are opening patterns, but i dont believe every player would play the same mirror match perfectly the same allowing him to do this.

  • @ianwebb6182
    @ianwebb6182 3 года назад +4

    This is clever, its like doing 2 tricks where the players know how he did the first one (winning the games by playing them against each other), and then a separate trick where he reveals the prediction. Whereas, its actually all just 1 trick where the first part was to send them down the wrong path so that the reveal is even more specular. Amazing showmanship

  • @DieanderePerspektive
    @DieanderePerspektive 8 лет назад +2

    Krasses Experiment! Die Auflösung danach ist verblüffend und genial! :D
    Es waren 4 Großmeister in der Runde und Derren Brown konnte sich sämtliche Stellungen und Züge souverän merken und entsprechend die Züge wiederholen, er ist ein ausgezeichneter Magier und seine Magie kann er einen selbst im Schach spüren lassen ;). Einfach ein genialer Trick, die Großmeister unwissend gegeneinander spielen zu lassen!

  • @derrickbird1256
    @derrickbird1256 9 лет назад +112

    My favorite thing about Derren is how he explains how he does his demonstrations.

  • @Tectonic2823
    @Tectonic2823 17 дней назад +1

    "My chess is sheet" "Now obviously my chess is very good"

  • @Lugmillord
    @Lugmillord 9 лет назад +9

    That's brilliant. He's basically for the most part just the mailman.

  • @BGlasnost
    @BGlasnost 6 лет назад +2

    As president of the chess society at King's College, even though Robert is the least strong chess player of the group, his chess skills are still *hugely* above any casual chess player. Derren was fed the chess moves through an earpiece, most likely.

    • @mewithmychick6960
      @mewithmychick6960 6 лет назад

      Notice that he plays half the games as black and half the games as white instead all of white. Maybe this gives you a hint. Has nothing to do with an earplug

    • @BGlasnost
      @BGlasnost 6 лет назад

      Me with my Chick - or maybe *you* should pay closer attention. There is still one chess player that he has to legitimately beat, Robert Chan. Though he is the weakest player of the group, he is still a FAR better chess player than any amateur. Derren Brown could not be expected to beat him, if you are not an experienced chess player then you are probably not aware to what degree all of these players are better than any amateur. The only way Derren could be reasonably assured to beat any of these players is to cheat, which is of course exactly what he did.

    • @mewithmychick6960
      @mewithmychick6960 6 лет назад

      Brand_D I knew that already. Maybe derrens cheds isnt so shit afterall. Or Robert Chan is not that good tho, we dont know. I play chess myself a lot 1600~ Elo. Should be enough to understand the game

    • @BGlasnost
      @BGlasnost 6 лет назад

      Me with my Chick - Yes we do know, it's easy to google a player's rating. Robert Chan is rated over 2000. If you think that Derren as a casual player can beat a player rated over 2000 then you're not as experienced with chess as you imagine yourself to be.

  • @billygladman9644
    @billygladman9644 6 лет назад +9

    4:29 that awkward laugh when you don’t get the joke..

  • @santishorts
    @santishorts 3 года назад +1

    IM Jovanka Houska yesterday during the broadcast of the New In Chess Classic finals (day 1) suggested to have known that Derren had help from someone or some-"thing" during that last game. If you are getting help from a chess engine (far stronger than any human since about 2005) you don't need an earpiece.

  • @harrybroughton4999
    @harrybroughton4999 8 лет назад +8

    I think the number at the end was a bit more of a typical magic trick

    • @1001011011010
      @1001011011010 7 лет назад +1

      MediumWave LongWave but how does that work I wonder

  • @MrKockabilly
    @MrKockabilly 6 лет назад +2

    In real chess simultaneous exhibition games, the exhibitor plays white and all the opponents play black precisely to avoid this kind of scam. There's no way these pro players wouldnt be alerted that something is amiss by the time they realize that about half of them would play white and about half would play black.

  • @johnking5174
    @johnking5174 9 лет назад +16

    2:55 - Right, this guy here actually weathers a leather glove to play chess, why?

    • @tombstoneharrystudios584
      @tombstoneharrystudios584 5 лет назад +4

      If he knew he was going to be on TV maybe he chose to do that to stand out
      Maybe they told him too!
      Ot maybe he has hand problems/issues (like eczema) and prefers to hide his hands

    • @wiiremote7976
      @wiiremote7976 4 года назад

      So he doesn't spread the coronavirus

    • @aguyishappy3988
      @aguyishappy3988 3 года назад

      Looks like a pretty cold studio, he doesnt exactly look young tbh

  • @Tectonic2823
    @Tectonic2823 17 дней назад

    "I genuinely can't remember" is the coldest line in history.

  • @adamwolf2376
    @adamwolf2376 5 лет назад +9

    Gotta respect making a vid 3 sec under the min ad revenue time
    even if he vid is pirated

  • @animationeverywhere
    @animationeverywhere 6 лет назад +1

    The trope that better chess players see further ahead is ridiculous. There are near infinite combinations. Yes if you know a lot of opening theory or there is a forced sequence you can see lots of moves ahead, but this is not on a consistent basis.

  • @Arenki1992
    @Arenki1992 4 года назад +3

    Someone has an explanation how he predicted the numbers of chess pieces left on each board?

    • @fiieeldy
      @fiieeldy 2 года назад

      I told him what the outcome would be. I taught him all his moves

    • @iwakuralain3064
      @iwakuralain3064 12 дней назад

      Maybe the number of pieces in a chess emdgame is predictable and he tried to pair off the players in a way where their endgame would likely have that many pieces. He could also fudge the last few moves to meet the number

  • @walsh632
    @walsh632 6 лет назад +1

    3 years on. Dunno why I’m watching this at 4 am. But thanks RUclips

  • @maxnullifidian
    @maxnullifidian 5 лет назад +3

    I thought it was something along those lines, having read a novel by Sidney Sheldon in which the protagonist did something very similar, except with only two grandmasters.

    • @leodf1
      @leodf1 5 лет назад +1

      On a cruise ship? 'If Tomorrow Comes' was the name. I didn't read the book but saw the TV movie.

  • @duanedibbley258
    @duanedibbley258 6 лет назад +2

    I know he says he’s not using an ear piece but after he says that we don’t see his right ear, I think it’s more likely that there’s another guy writing all the moves down and feeding it to him except for the last guy who would play a computer - Derren would not leave it up to chance, he needs a way he can do this with a 100% success rate every time.

  • @egretzhars9984
    @egretzhars9984 8 лет назад +12

    Oh, the moment when you spend a whole year studying the work of a few people but you can't remember their names. Don't you just hate when that happens?

    • @KitsyX
      @KitsyX 6 лет назад +1

      He could have studied the moves and names, but not their pictures lol That or their appearance could change somewhat since pictures or footage was taken... But yeah, it was a bit odd.

  • @thatheat1914
    @thatheat1914 8 дней назад

    They thinking of those 20 moves and not looking at the reason they're there

  • @Shroudey
    @Shroudey 8 лет назад +6

    "This is all genuinely above board" so the secret lies beneath the board/table? ;D

  • @lennon78
    @lennon78 9 дней назад

    Anybody what’s the song playing in the background between 01:04-01:40 ?

  • @kerfuritogonzales
    @kerfuritogonzales 5 лет назад +25

    "I genuinely can'y remember"
    I NEED ANSWERS

    • @arcade8078
      @arcade8078 5 лет назад +1

      If I were to take a guess I'd say it's either all staged or those are just the most common ending numbers for chess games. In addition it's a single number so he's free to pick and choose the combinations of digits to form the remaining amount. Plus he's not going around in a circle when asking for the numbers, giving even more leeway for getting the right numbers. (Plus the mistake 6, though that could've also been there just to make it appear more real dunno)

    • @epsleon
      @epsleon 5 лет назад

      Like he said at the start, he's been analysing their games for a year.
      Pair them off properly and you can predict the most likely outcome, since chess is a nearly solved game and you know what kind of playstyle they favour.

    • @ActionableFreedom
      @ActionableFreedom 4 года назад

      @@epsleon He was lying. Obviously he did not spend 1 year of his life doing that.

    • @9k49
      @9k49 4 года назад +1

      He probably memorised them all and found a way to get it onto the paper, but miscounted / misremembered the one he got wrong

    • @arandombard1197
      @arandombard1197 4 года назад +1

      Considering magic isn't real, he swapped the paper. No need for complicated solutions when the simplest will do.

  • @TheBiggerBongo
    @TheBiggerBongo 6 лет назад +2

    Next up: The totally possible match of boxing with Derren Brown vs. Elvis Presely

  • @Tossphate
    @Tossphate 6 лет назад +6

    During the post match interviews, the only played to specifically discuss derrens chess skill was r ninth player. All the others just talked about their own performance against their opponent "him". They would have known what was going on, but would have been fun for them anyway. Ultimately "what he did today was truly impressive" is correct

    • @insanezombieman753
      @insanezombieman753 6 лет назад

      They're all paid. Its fake. When grandmasters play simultaneous matches with people, they make sure everyone has the same colour. They're chess grandmasters, man. They're not that stupid

  • @PlanetRockJesus
    @PlanetRockJesus 6 лет назад +1

    Derren Brown is obviously a great chess player (but decided that chess would not be his #1 focus in life), but the envelope was passed to him surreptitiously after the sequence was printed out and enclosed in the envelope by the producers of this segment. Of course, any chance of that being seen was edited out of this program. He's not a psychic. He's a great magician, but one who is fantastic in his powers of observation.

  • @jameshogge
    @jameshogge 8 лет назад +5

    Called the trick with them playing each other!

  • @abhijeetsingh3871
    @abhijeetsingh3871 3 года назад +1

    here after ksm mentioned about him.. worth it

  • @YourBroTekk
    @YourBroTekk 8 лет назад +4

    and then they all just clapped at the end of the day because "hey, were still getting payed to be on cam"

  • @kemd1547
    @kemd1547 6 лет назад +1

    so if we go on what darren said the 4 paired chess games should leave us with 4 pairs of the same number if we allow for the mistake then we get 7 7 11 11 10 10 6 8 5 just with the maths it shows that its not possible to get to that number if you are using his system

    • @HarveyHirdHarmonics
      @HarveyHirdHarmonics 4 года назад

      No, he asked for the number of pieces left for the player's own colour. So that number can be different for the paired games. For example for the game where he paired player 1 and 5, the game might end with 7 white pieces and 5 black pieces left. Player 1 would answer 7 and player 5 would answer 5. That there are so many pairs in the final number is probably just coincidence.

    • @luiskp7173
      @luiskp7173 Месяц назад

      I know this comment is from 6 years ago, but you are correct. The fact that he divided the groups in 5 on top plus 3+1 at the bottom is intentional, so that pairs aren’t so evident. My theory of why the pairs don’t match is that by some sleight of hand he picked an additional piece from one (or more) of the boards (like how some street hustlers cheat) so the pairs don’t show, giving you the dissonance that the mirroring trick isn’t the real explanation.

  • @connors2388
    @connors2388 8 лет назад +44

    It was pretty clear early on that he was gonna make them play each other. there is no magical winning in chess. and that's really the only possible way to pull this off and be so shit at chess.

    • @floob247
      @floob247 7 лет назад +5

      Connor Smutny I want to know how he got the number right.

    • @douglasquaid7550
      @douglasquaid7550 6 лет назад +10

      He is an illusionist, he probably switched the paper inside the envelope, with the correct numbers that he got from the production team.

    • @floob247
      @floob247 6 лет назад +2

      Douglas Quaid I'm content with that answer.

    • @anonymoussecret5948
      @anonymoussecret5948 6 лет назад

      mentalist*

    • @wadetisthammer3612
      @wadetisthammer3612 5 лет назад

      Then how did he beat the 👑 college dude?

  • @tiddleto2te
    @tiddleto2te 5 лет назад +2

    Not gunna lie, I figured this out instantly, so I’m pretty sure the chess players would have guessed what’s going on.
    The numbers I think was just slight of hand?

  • @eyajin
    @eyajin 5 лет назад +3

    4:28 when your clingy GF tells you a joke and you don’t get it

  • @java4656
    @java4656 4 года назад

    Some of those guys looked like they were having absolute mental breakdowns.

  • @billygowhoop
    @billygowhoop 7 лет назад +8

    How's he win the one legit game? That still seems pretty impressive to beat a real chess player while having no experience.

    • @calvinengime816
      @calvinengime816 6 лет назад +7

      He cheated, of course. He really was wearing an earpiece (which nobody was invited to check for), or he had something in his pocket buzzing in Morse code, and someone was giving him moves chosen by a computer. The same person probably kept track of the moves played in the other games. If he loses the ninth game, the trick is a flop. No professional magician would take the chance that such a crucial part of the trick could go wrong.

    • @mick727xd
      @mick727xd 6 лет назад

      Calvin Engime he didn’t. He just copied the moves of the previous player. In other words, they were playing against eachother. Derren didn’t play at all. Therefore he’s going to split wins and losses.

    • @PutonyourSundayBests
      @PutonyourSundayBests 6 лет назад +2

      @@mick727xd Pay attention to the video man. There are an odd number of games. They all play each other except for the chairman of King's College Chess Society, who Derren claims to have legitimately played and beaten.

    • @billygowhoop
      @billygowhoop 3 года назад

      @@calvinengime816 I mean that's possible. I don't think that's really Derren's style though. But magic tricks generally have a very disappointing explanation. I'm just a bit doubtful of that one.

  • @IgiWhiteman
    @IgiWhiteman 5 лет назад +1

    I still don´t get it. I mean what if one of the chess players reacted completely differently to Derren´s (respectively the other chess player´s) move? The game would then fall apart and he would be doing nonsensical moves in the eyes of the opponent, because mirroring would no longer make sense in terms of the game.

    • @johnmcphee3136
      @johnmcphee3136 3 года назад

      You don't get it. Derren isn't playing moves on his own, he is playing what the other person in the match-up played. He isn't playing any games (other than number 9, which is a source of debate among chess players). He is no more than a courier, playing the moves that he has already memorized. If they play a different move than he expected, that's fine, he just copies that move on the opposite board and plays the response the other player plays.

  • @TheDom0
    @TheDom0 9 лет назад +3

    He's had this of Columbo "the most dangerous match"

  • @gamma_v1
    @gamma_v1 9 лет назад +1

    Any idea about the numbers?

  • @JustWasted3HoursHere
    @JustWasted3HoursHere 5 лет назад +7

    "As for how I predicted the number of pieces left on each board, I genuinely can't remember. Good night."
    Oh, come on, Derren! You're killing me here!

  • @David-qn9wu
    @David-qn9wu 18 дней назад

    Where can I see the notation for these games I would like to analyse them

  • @gigglysamentz2021
    @gigglysamentz2021 5 лет назад +3

    I once played copied my opponent's movs at go (symmetry through the centre) cuz I do't know how to play go. We both had a great time!

  • @nicbentulan
    @nicbentulan 2 года назад +2

    4:20 Robert Chan isn't that good or experienced at chess. Robert probably views a grandmaster just as good as any 2200 rapid lichess.
    There's no way that good or experienced a player will seriously think some nobody in the chess or 9LX world is on par with Wesley So or Magnus Carlsen.

  • @jiweep
    @jiweep 8 лет назад +5

    the paper that he wrote in the beginning was quickly written and close together, like writing a signarture. The paper at the end was very far apart and neatly written which means that he switched it during the games, or this whole thing is fake. (I don't see why it would be though besides beating one of the players with his own skill. I mean the guy even said he was as good as a grandmaster so thats pretty hard to believe)

    • @Sal13414
      @Sal13414 8 лет назад

      +jiweep No that was the envelope the paper was in.

    • @jiweep
      @jiweep 8 лет назад +4

      ***** oops, it still doesn't explain how he beat the one guy and the guy even said he was at the level of a grandmaster though

    • @jiweep
      @jiweep 8 лет назад +2

      *****
      Yeah but the host even said that his chess was shit and if the other guy is the leader of a chess club he must be skilled at the game, so I doubt that it actually happened. Like I said before too, he said he was at the level of a grandmaster as well

    • @1001011011010
      @1001011011010 7 лет назад

      jiweep
      He explained how he played grandmasters.
      Table 9 wasn't GM level

    • @ANOOPBAL
      @ANOOPBAL 7 лет назад +1

      He switched the paper at the end. You can see him trying very hard to grab the paper from the other guy before he opens it.

  • @john33333
    @john33333 4 года назад +1

    Do people commenting about mirror chess seriously not know the actual trick was getting the games to end with specific predicted numbers of opponent's pieces remaining on the board? Mirror chess was involved but would not explain that, which is the most impressive part. Derren Brown doesn't reveal his actual tricks.

  • @harrymooney1305
    @harrymooney1305 8 лет назад +7

    "Let me just remind you my chess is SHIT"' xD

  • @gerbleb101
    @gerbleb101 5 лет назад +1

    This man put so many points into the memory stat

  • @AjaLuck
    @AjaLuck 8 лет назад +14

    4:28 That Laugh U Make When Someone Tells A Joke About Ur Mom To U And U Want To Kill Them

  • @gregmiles2908
    @gregmiles2908 Год назад

    I have to imagine it helps that the kid at table 9 thought he was playing against a person facing 8 other masters that are all much higher rated them himself. Believing that you can’t beat someone is very impactful to how you play

  • @xxx_khz_optic_xxx9575
    @xxx_khz_optic_xxx9575 5 лет назад +22

    This man could take over the world and we wouldn’t know

    • @blucat4
      @blucat4 Год назад

      Ahh, that's already happened, there are a lot more people like Derren and much better, running things.

  • @sstevensuperbike9964
    @sstevensuperbike9964 5 лет назад +1

    I was very good at chess when I was a kid.. I used to play at county level and used to beat all my mates, teachers and even the chess teacher at another school where I learnt to play chess after school in another village, it really is trying to remember the best possible move in any situation, there are so may different combinations, the first 4-6 moves lead you onto a specific chess game and within that game can be several mini battles on the board. When u meet a certain criteria with the pieces you know how to attack the hardest and smartest.

  • @365reece
    @365reece 8 лет назад +15

    There was a chess advert before this...

    • @Misxrable
      @Misxrable 6 лет назад

      Reece Turner we all care so, so, much

  • @Luiz-rt8eo
    @Luiz-rt8eo 3 года назад +1

    Question: how did he predict the numbers?
    I kind of guess the folks didn't count, he just showed him the numbers at the end and they just kind of accepted it

  • @peterbucek2136
    @peterbucek2136 8 лет назад +65

    That laugh at 4:29 lmao!

  • @jasonhounsell3297
    @jasonhounsell3297 2 года назад

    This seems like a good memory trick, until you realise chess grandmasters are playing 20 games at the same time blindfolded :D

  • @linky0064
    @linky0064 8 лет назад +72

    Holy shit, that's genius.

  • @simonlevett4776
    @simonlevett4776 2 года назад

    I've always been puzzled that these chess masters didn't know what was going on, especially as he sets up where each player should sit right at the beginning, and also plays games as black and white, playing alternately the black and white pieces.

    • @kauri8981
      @kauri8981 2 года назад +1

      They definitely knew

  • @m4rv2n
    @m4rv2n 9 лет назад +4

    Just off the top of my hat. He makes them play each other by copying their moves.

  • @painandmisery8971
    @painandmisery8971 5 лет назад +2

    such a talented soul with devotion and curiosity trapped inside the dwelling of his dark thoughts.

  • @joelrivardguitar
    @joelrivardguitar Год назад +5

    Grandmasters only think a few moves in advance. They just have crazy good intuition for what moves will work. Magnus Carlsen and Hikaru Nakamura both said this.

  • @MarcusMusique
    @MarcusMusique 9 лет назад

    nice freemason thumb over the knuckle handshake @2:43 lol. Highly relevant on the black and white chequered board too. ;)