Go to ground.news/littleplatoon to see through media bias and better understand the world. Subscribe through my link for 40% off unlimited access this month. This video may be a bit janky in places as it was cut to hell in a bid to sneak past Amazon's copyright malfeasance. The final Season One video is still sneaking but should be out midweek.
It's nice to know that even the writers never saw Season One, and just made it all up in isolation of even their own canon. Oh, right, there is NO Tolkien Canon. They fly now. I look forward to seeing trolls on speeder bikes and orcs working in the DMV. Actually, that would be pretty cool ...
The old man with the pouch should have been discarded outright, it should have been revealed that the emblem was what the viewer wanted to see, that Sauron was always subtly manipulating how he was perceived, that he made Amazon’s Guy-lad-f’real see what he need her to, in order to launch the Numenorean campaigns and occupations into Middle Earth. It should have been shown to be just a plain and nondescript coin bag, or phylactery.
In retrospect, I consider Mighty Morfydd Power Elf surviving pyroclastic blast in final episode of Season 1 a clever commentary on the notion that true evil never dies.
It's all very Tolkienian, you see. Just like evil cannot truly create, it can only destroy, likewise evil cannot truly die, it can only transform into black goo.
@@anemone3694 Galadriel should have turned into a pile of goo after that fall off of the cliff. They could have made her a sentient pile of goo like Sauron and have her just follow her Elf friends around for season three, except no speaking lines for Gooladriel. I must admit, I did enjoy watching Sauron kick her ass in the finale.
"Celebrimbor, don't talk to Halbrand." "Okay, but why?" "Just don't." "Elrond, what is she talking about?" "No time to talk. Gimme those rings." *_Later, in Lindon_* "You lied about Halbrand." "Yes...." "Who is he?" "Not who I thought." "Yeah, no shit. Who is he?" "He' hot." "BITCH WHO IS HE???!!!" "He's Sauron." *_Even later in Lindon_* "This message tells Celebrimbor that Halbrand is Sauron. Go, single light messenger, and pray nothing bad happens to you on your journey to Eregion."
To continue the nonsense further. Single elf messenger finds a bridge freshly destroyed in what can only be described as magical bs. "OH HURDUR LET ME TAKE A DETOUR!" "Shouldn't we inform the king? Or send word back?" Says single guard. "No, you dullwit. This message requires all of us to go." "Does it?" "Yes, it says on the writing on my inner arm!" "... whose blood is that?" "Mine, you utter fool! Now excuse me, but this spooky forest is making me rather dizzy. Please good sir carry me!" "..." "Do you want a smack? Guard? Guard!" *dying screams* Fuck we could make such a good parody out of this show. Do you think Amazon would let us... I mean we only need a few rolls of tin foil and seven depressed homeless men to help all the elves.
Do it do it! Even if you’ve never learned English (or any other language) it could not be worse! And seriously-we the audience need good writing. Someday H’wood will realize that, too.
I did a little investigating into what Amazon owns the rights to, and it’s shocking how much material they’re simply ignoring. They own the rights to the full trilogy, including the appendices. Given this, it’s rather shocking that Beren and Luthien are absent. Given that Galadriel is constantly grieving her dead brother, it would have been something to use to bring up that Finrod gave his life to save Beren. Many the nobility of Numenor, including Muriel, Pharazôn, and Elendil trace their lineage back to Beren. It would have been something to utilize. I’m aware Amazon changed the timeline so that Finrod died after Morgoth’s fall, but it is a rather pointless change. Think of the drama that can be milked out of examining why not only an immortal elf, but an actual king of elves, gave his life to save a mortal man. You could explore it through a man like Pharazon, a man who thinks greatly about mortality and dwells on death and legacy. And they have rights to at least reference all of this, if not portray it. A few lines of the Lay of Luthien are within Fellowship, so it’s there waiting to be used.
Yeah, I think if anything I gave them the benefit of the doubt with the material omitted from S1, but every time they drop it in as references - Beren and Luthien are explicitly mentioned in S2 - it emphasises how many bad choices are made in the selection of content they do have the rights to, not just bad choices made in the absence of source material to draw on.
They are hacks who cannot write, and they know that on some level. They didn't have the confidence or skill to adapt and retell Tolkien's actual work. Instead they did something within their skill set - invented their own crappy characters, using just enough Tolkien - names, mostly - to make the marketing easy and profit from the existing IP. Their egos couldn't stand the limitations of adapting a work from a superior intelligence. They didn't want to curate a priceless artwork, they wanted to play in their own sandpit with some branded action figures.
Look, they don't even want to use Galadriel's HUSBAND or her other siblings--they definitely aren't going to dedicate their 7 neurons to other, non-plot-relevant characters (their plot, not Tolkien's plot, obviously).
@@cosmicmuffin322 It’s more confusing than that, at least to me. They can actually use the source material in a way that furthers their apparent goals. Galadriel wants an army from Numenor, or at least a ship to get herself back to Middle Earth. She should leverage that her dead brother, the one who is her driving motivation, died to save their ancestor. Then you can play out how this still seems very current and relevant to someone like Galadriel, while to humans it happened centuries ago and they don’t believe it’s a debt they have to honor. You can contrast the viewpoints of apparently narrow minded, short term thinking humans against the elf memory of Galadriel, creating fuel for the building animosity. Or take Isildur, for example. They have him alive during the Fall of Eregion, even though it’s hundreds of years early. He’s hanging out doing nothing in Middle Earth waiting for the plot to catch up with him. What if he decides to help? He could end up meeting Elrond, and Elrond might recognize in Isildur the lineage of his long deceased brother. Then when Isildur leaves to go to Numenor at the end of the season, he can deliver news of the fall of Eregion back to his home. Maybe then Pharazon sees the weakening influence of the Elf Kingdoms and decides it’s time to make Numenor a colonial power. As it is, Isildur is heading back to Numenor and there’s no information traveling with him of the state of Middle Earth and he has gone on no arc, nor gained anything, not been involved in the main plot in any manner. Even if these are different than the source, they slot into the story they want to tell better than the void they’ve put in place.
@@TheLittlePlatoon You'd think a civilization advanced enough to have a monarchy with complex infrastructure would have more depth in their judicial system
@@bailysawyer804 Well, it's kind of a "judgement by god" situation so it does make some degree of sense. Especially since the numenorians in rings of power have that stupid "the sea is always right" mantra. The wyrm could be considered an avatar of the sea in some sense so throwing someone in with the wyrm and the wyrm sparing their lives could be seen as "the sea" (god) sparing them. And "the sea (god) is always right". Of course this doesn't make a lick of sense in the actual world of Tolkien because there already is a god of the sea with Ulmo. And the ancestors of the numenorians did fight side by side with Ulmo in the war of wrath. So why they would consider some random wyrm as an avatar of the sea (meaning a subordinate of ulmo) is beyond me. Granted, the war of wrath was millenia earlier but considering their very island, their strength and longevity were given to them as a reward for their ancestors deeds in exactly that war you'd think they'd remember that.
I think shows like RoP and the Acolyte can be summarized with one point: The writers are not interested in doing their job well, but they want recognition. They want to be like Tolkien, and be celebrated for their vision, but they either aren't willing to put the work in to make their vision good, or even worse they don't have a vision and have to steal the work of others. These kinds of shows are the ultimate symbol of entitlement. "I want a show because I'm so great and deserve recognition. Anyone who doesn't like it just doesn't realize how great I am" meanwhile they have absolutely nothing to say, and cause those who believed in them to bleed money. There was no future where this show succeeded. It's just a question of how long until the people funding it have had enough.
I personally think that the writers, like many script writers in Hollywood, are just... part of a bubble, that basically doesn't extend further than the coast of California, maybe the rest of the US if they're lucky. Why? Because that part of the US is modern, it's progressive, it's multicultural in the most simple way, a classic melting pot. It is, for many people in the industry, the entire world, or at least what the world should be, and the things preventing it from being perfect, in their eyes, are the persisting biases towards women and minorities, as well as the dehumanisation of people when they act against the public interest. And as a result, when they get the microphone, these people make badass female 'protagonists' who 'take no shit from no-one' and who are not allowed to admit they're wrong for that is being weak, in a melting pot world, facing off against a misunderstood villain who can be redeemed with the power of sad looks at the right moment, also known as the power of 'love'; either that, or they take the fight to the most insidious and irredeemable monster of all, a social system dominated by rich white men which opresses those who dare to be different, also known as... the Patriarchy™. And mind you, none of this will automatically disqualify these stories, there are plenty of good stories that follow this formula and yet add their own spin to the tale (I've yet to watch Arcane so I could be wrong, but from what I have seen it largely seems to follow a similar general frame, and also from what I've seen it pulls its story off masterfully). The problems arise when this formula is shoehorned into already existing universes like Tolkien's, or the MCU, or historical movies/video games. Yes, black Cleopatra, we're looking at you. These movie plots amount to pretty much wishful thinking from their writers that the world would be so much better if it was how they wanted to see it, and they use death of the author as an excuse to mess around with canonicity or historical accuracy to the point where it becomes unrecognizable. Galadriel graceful queen? Galadriel bitchy savant. Sauron pure evil? Sauron amateur plotter. Greatest elves that ever lived? All idiots now, also have a token black elf, that will teach the Patriarchy™. Greatest human civilization ever? They are what happens when Trump gets in charge again, dûh! It is, in short, the most infuriating version of self-insert fan fiction. The kind that ignores the rules of the universe it's written in to glorify their own creation, in turn diminishing said universe and polishing their own turds not because they are of value, but because they came up with them. And when their work is finished, they pat each others backs and share the finest of champagnes, while reducing any criticism to 'online haters gonna hate'. Because that is their lens into this world.
It doesn't 100% satisfy me, because if you did the bare minimum, you'd still manage to cram out something that, while not approaching Tolkien at 1000 kms, would be serviceable according to the basics of writing they teach at every Creative Writing 101 class. To write things that should be simple so badly I can only think there's actually effort made into making things bad. Like, if they were shooting in the dark, they'd still hit at least one target.
do yourself a favor and watch the season 2 finale. i had not watched a single minute of RoP, and a few weeks ago decided it was time to see how bad it is. Well, it is amazingly bad, atrociously bad, and i think it really helps put all these reviews into perspective. it is also so terrible on a one-episode-only basis that it is entertaining to yell at the screen for 45 minutes or whatever. my wife and i had a good laugh. i know it’s hateful to give amazon the watch minutes, but . . .
Since I was gonna go on a movie marathon but now I'm probably gonna watch this instead, Little Platoon played me like a harp, but the tune was not of my own choosing!!!! Oh my goooooosh that's so deep, I hope we get lines like that in this show lol
It is said that when Robert Maxwell interviewed the evil Romanian socialist dictator Nicolae Ceausescu he asked "why are you so popular with your people?" I think these cast interviews surpass that.
"He had a key that could switch on a volcano" EXCUSE ME??!!! NO!!! What actually happens was *no were near that well written!!* The key opens a dam witch turns on a river witch flows into a volcano witch somehow makes lava explode!
Yes, but that means the key turned on the volcano. Might as well say my key doesn't unlock my front door because it merely aligns the tumblers, which unblocks the turning mechanism, which moves the deadbolt, which unlocks my door.
Well the "somehow makes lava explode" bit makes sense in that "phreatomagnetic" eruptions exist, where water and magma come into contact with each other, but I've heard that the proportion of water to magma in that scene is too small to cause an eruption of the size we've seen (that, however, I'm willing to forgive). No, the key (haha) problem remains with an ignition hilt to set off a chain reaction to activate a volcano. Who, in essence, would build a self-destruct switch for a country?
@@schnippelfriedschnappelsac8310 It's not magma it's lava it exposed to air it's under very little pressure, frankly if the key just magically made the mountain explode it would have been better
@@schnippelfriedschnappelsac8310 The issue is not just with the tiny amount of water. A phreomagmatic eruption also needs an enclosed space so that pressure from the flash boiled water can accumulate until it reaches a critical point where the containment breaks and all of the pressure is released in a steam explosion. The most well known example is the explosion of Krakatau in 1883. Also, the reason for that "self destruct switch for a country" as you called it is because it wasn't sauron who built it. The area known as "mordor" used to be one titanic fortress. Specifically the fortress of Morgoth. Morgoth himself raised the mountains around mordor as fortification walls and he created mount doom as his throneroom and as a forge. However, after morgoths defeat in the war of wrath mount doom calmed down and stopped constantly erupting. It was later in the second age that Sauron reawakened mount doom, repaired the forge to the best of his abilities and then forged the one ring there. This is of course a very much abridged version of events, but it should cover all major points.
Why can’t Fake Galadriel smile like a human? Is Morfydd Clark that bad an actress, or is Fake Galadriel that terrible a character? If Clark is a bad actress *and* Fake Galadriel is a terrible character, I feel like there would have to be at least one instance where the actress breaks character and manages at least *one* believably human smile.
I think it is a direction thing. It seems like all girl bosses lately have the same expression all the time. I can’t imagine it’s all accidental coincidence.
Just so we're clear, there hasn't been a king in the Southlands for a thousand years (iirc), then "my family used to serve them" was at least 40 generations ago. Why would anyone ever care about "changing circumstances" over that much time? Surely someone along the way had something better to do than look after a random pouch that they got from their great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-etc etc etc etc etc grandfather? Somewhere along the way it would have been lost. It surely would not have any emotional meaning to the current generation.
I think they establish that the last king of Southlands died without an heir more like 300 years ago. But still, yeah, strangely long time to hang on to that. But we know these writers have no concept of time or distance.
If they even retained the concept and would fall into organization under a king, they would have elevated SOMEONE after the original lineage died off. If they completely rejected taking a new king, after a few years, the story would absolutely get around to all of the other monarchies. With even a passing level of thought, the Southland kingship plot makes zero sense.
@@billjacobs521 They don't remember what they wrote in previous episodes and can't be bothered to check their own notes. And they similarly expect the audience to have the attention span of goldfish.
And we're also supposed to believe (for season 1 to make sense) that this this symbol of a centuries-old dead royal family that nobody remembers the name of (I don't believe they ever give a name), has so much meaning that damn near everyone in the Southlands, along with numerous non-Southlands figures recognize it as tied to that Kingdom and has meaning . . . but somehow also don't remember the fact that House has been dead for centuries and that Kingdom gone. You're right, the Southlanders especially should have no meaning for it at this point. At best it would be the myth of a Kingdom that once existed in their lands, and with symbols they no longer recognize as having any meaning today.
Once more into the breach, Where no sane soul would tread, For corrupt of heart this story only reach, May we remember those whose sanity is lost and dead. Five seasons were foretold, Yet only two has killed what took decades to build, Will there will be any soul who is so greatly bold, To step once more into the breach freshly drilled.
It's interesting that you only briefly mention the "petty bickering" aspect here. It can't have escaped your noticed that such dialogue - and thus plot progression (or lack thereof) - has become a major feature of most fictional media these days. I call it "The Eastenders Effect" - the plot can only happen if the characters repeatedly _avoid_ saying the one thing that would benefit their cause _and_ persuade their conversational partner to join them.
RoP takes it so far that 50% of the dialogue, whether or not it's an argument, is just folks talking past each other. "What do you want for dinner?" is met with "We're out of orange juice."
I call it the post-Season 6 GoT writing (like I call the inept, character-assassinating, plot-ridden stories they come up with "the GoT season 8 storytelling"), like everyone saw the last few seasons of GoT and the "adoring" reaction of the fans and went "that's my golden standard now".
"Many orcs will die" Why would you say that to your own army? Is Sauron trying to dissuade the Orcs from following him? Thats not what you would say if you were trying to inspire the army. The only reason he said that in the speech is so the audience will know why the orcs turn on him. So the speech Sauron gives to the Orcs, isnt for the orcs at all, its purely for the audience.
If it was before a big battle, I could get it. But he's literally pitching to them the idea of being horrifically experimented on. Shocking that they declined.
More to the point, why would Sauron care to be so 'honest' to the Orcs? He's known as a Deceiver, one would assume this would apply even to many of his own servants as well, albeit perhaps not to such a ludicrous degree where he is willing to throw away everyone who helps him for nothing. We also know later he has the power to outright dominate minds that are not remotely evil even without the One Ring, so yea the entire scene makes no sense. Unless we're supposed to assume he 'planned' on deliberately getting himself Caesar'd.
Dark Romance is what sells books these days. Galadriel is just craving to be chained to a mountaintop without food or drink, waiting for beautiful Sauron to come to her with that cup of poisoned wine.
(Breaths a big sigh of relief) I was worried that the brain aneurysms from the last couple of episodes really did you in this time when part 4 of season 1 didn't drop as planned!
We should’ve known when in season 1, Celebrimbor didn’t know you could melt different metals together to make stronger metals…. Something is up with the smithing in this show. Almost like not a single blacksmith was hired to consult this billion dollar show.
I believe there’s something fundamentally wrong with the modern conception of how to make a series. I don’t know why a season only constitutes 8 episodes. Someone might tell me it’s about the enormous cost of an episode, but I’d ask, “Why can’t you add more scenes that are cheaper to produce and save the money for the episodes more meant to be spectacle?” Old television had this model of “bottle” episodes. You have the actors, their costumes, you have the sets in place. You create an episode focused exclusively on using stuff already in place, with limited or no guest stars and no effects. I don’t know why Amazon couldn’t take the same amount of money and use their existing sets, costumes, and cast, and stretch the season out to 15 episodes. As it is, none of the plots have sufficient time to breathe, and it makes any time spent on the more minor plots seem an incredible waste of time. This would have allowed a lot more time for the crafting of rings to not seem so rushed, to perhaps portray Durin III’s corruption a bit more subtly and occurring over a greater period of time, and maybe even find a way to give Isildur something to do. As it is, this series accomplishes the difficult feat of feeling both insanely rushed while also having ridiculous wastes of time. Maybe with more time, characters could have actual conversations instead of just quickly finding a dramatic line to read before cutting to something else.
True. Disney is doing the same thing with stuff like the The Acolyte. But really, 8 episodes would also work--8 tight, focused episodes. They can't manage that either. I can only assume that Amazon is just that incompetent with their money; Robert Rodriguez could have made this entire show for the cost of one Marvel movie.
That's what a lot of shows still do, especially anime or animated series. Wherever you can shave the cost off, do it with the least unimportant moments like scenes where characters are just talking and what not so you can focus all the money elsewhere when action is happening. I legit don't know where most of the money for ROP goes to because it doesn't appear on screen. The sets always feel so small like you can tell they had about three feet to work with. The armours and costumes often feel cheap and tacky. Yet look like at LOTR, Helms deep is mostly a miniature, same for Minas Tirith, and you wouldn't fcking notice that it's only a few physical sets for both. Eregion a massive city feels like it's village, and same goes for Lindon like all we see is that pissing tree set which they built for S1. Why are we not seeing armies of elves on the walls? Why are we not seeing multiple battling fronts from a single shot so we can feel the geography. They have the money there is no excuse for a twenty year old film kicking your ass in every department when CG was still struggling with a lot of things.
I agree, but I think 40 hours is enough to tell this story well. 8 hours to say "Sauron tricked the elves then made his own ring" 8 hours to say "Sauron declares war to reclaim his rings, and is pushed back, but rules in the East" 8 hours to say "Sauron disburses the rings, creates Nazgul, and Numenor rises and captions Sauron". 8 hours to say "Sauron corrupts Numenor, it declares war on the Valar, Numenor falls, Elendil escapes." 8 hours to say "Establish Gondor and Arnor, Sauron returns, it's War, Isildur keeps the ring." That's all that happens. 40 hours to say just that. The real reason they had to rush stories is because they doubled the plot, with protohobbits, and fade-cut elves
At present, they have the 7 Dwarven rings in the hands of somebody who has seen firsthand that they drive people insane and whose best friend knows they were crafted by Sauron’s intent. I can’t wait to see what bullshit they write to explain how they end up in the hands of all the Dwarf lords
If they had Adar break the 4th wall and point out all the plotholes and stupid bits in the story, it might actually manage to become enjoyable. Also does that mean Miriel is Queenie?
It is repeatedly stated that Galadriel commands the “Northern Armies”. How many “Armies” specifically are we talking about? Who is the commander of the Southern Armies? How big is an Elven “Army”? Did she previously command a Battalion, then progressively a Brigade, Division, Corps? Is she a graduate of the Elven Military Academy-Rivendell? Is there such a thing as “Army Group South Linden”? I love military fiction written by nincompoops who’ve never served a day in uniform, never read a book about military history, and actively despise military culture and values. Can’t wait for Season Three.
Oh, just you wait, episode 2 clears that all up. There’s a Commander of the Western Armies, who wants to attack Mordor from the North; there’s Galadriel, who somehow remains Commander of the Northern Armies, who wants to attack it from the West. And there’s a Commander of the Eastern Armies, who wants to attack Mordor - MORDOR! - from… the East.
Tolkien never answered these questions. He just wrote about Galadriel that she was "of amazon disposition", fought in the Battle of Alqualonde and that she watched the army of the Dwarves of Khazad-dum "with the eye of a commander" (Unfinished Tales). Interesting is that _that_ quote is Second Age. Well, Tolkien was never very much interested in battles. We usually get 20 pages about walking, trees, hills, more walking, long conversations + some random poems, and then... half a page battle description :)
@@anni.68 what the hell are you talking about?! He described battles left and right! Sure he doesn't go into the whole nitty gritty details, but there are enough...I mean entire War of the Elves and Sauron is described in regards to movements of the armies and hosts :). Then there are the Battles of the Fords of Isen,...which are entire essays dedicated to the battles!!!!!
@@fantasywind3923 Of course. My point is not that Tolkien cannot describe battle scenes, quite the contrary, but they are not his focus. Compared to his musings, contemplations and peoples conversations his description of battle scenes are much less detailed and much shorter. The Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth e.g. has 22 pages, the Nirnaeth Arnoediad, the greatest battle of the First Age (except the War of Wrath) has 11 pages, including the preparations.
In the words of everyone's favourite symbiote: "You will be this armless, legless, faceless thing, won't you? Rolling down the street. . . like a turd. . .in the wind."
I thought you had another video for Season 1 coming up. Looking forward to this, they're a really good, in depth look at the series, Tolkien's writings and more besides.
49:38 I find it rather rich of Gil-Galad telling a prince - and probably the equivalent of an elf king in lineage considering who Elrond's great-great grandfather is - of elves to hand over the rings in the manner the show depicts him doing. Even if they don't have the rights to explicitly say *it* the books are pretty explicit about Elrond's lineage. Gil-Galad's herald? Yes. Probably more by choice than by Gil-Galad actually pulling rank. My point is that Gil-Galad wouldn't speak to Elrond like this. Ever.
The show does in fact make repeat mentions of Elrond’s parents, and even gives a precis version of Earendil’s trip to Valinor in S1. It’s just the writers not thinking through their characters. That entire scene is absurd anyway. It should be one of the most tense and dramatic debates you could have: these rings may save or doom us and we cannot know which. Should we risk it? And they just jump straight over it and have Elrond jump straight off a waterfall.
The cut scenes you utilize between Jackson's movies and Rings really show the contrast in viewing. Their crap is so dark I can hardly see what's going on. Oh well....not worth seeing it anyway. 😅
Thanks for taking the hit. There is no way I was going into that Cave of Second-Hand Embarrassment intentionally. Also, apologies in advance for all the times I am going to use "Mrs. Doubt-Shire" in the future!
A lot of people vote fantasy as a black canvas, where there are no rules and anything can happen and the reader or viewer will accept it. But all good fantasy has solid rules, and adheres to its own world building. I think the major problem with all of these fantasy adaptations, is that the writers hand no idea how to world build. I'm sure there are lots of reasons why these Hollywood writers can't world build, but I think one of the big ones is that they have to bring their politics into every aspect of their writing
Did anyone else imagine Sauron muttering "Et tu Orcs?" As they jumped in to stab away at him? Amazon missed a trick with not including that sly reference
The writers said in interviews that Sauron the soy noodle Venom symbiote spent thousands of years in this state. Meaning Galadriel was really bad at finding him.
Amazon's Rings of Power will go down in history as one of the worst TV series in history. It is also a insult to the late Tolkien and his many fans.The writing and acting is truly dire.
One thing the show got right (probably by accident) is that there is land in Mordor that can be worked. The Sea of Núrnen is a big lake in Mordor surrounded be semi-fertile land where slaves produced food for Sauron's armies.
@@TheLittlePlatoon Especially since that bridge apparently reduces the travel time between the two cities by like 80%. I guess that ravine is 800 miles long.
The "welcome to Mordor" bit with Waldrig is another repurposed dialogue scene from Star Trek 6 when Kirk and Mcoy arrive on Rura Penthe. "Work well and you will be treated well, Work poorly, and you will die"
Correct. Which is a reference to Bridge on the River Kwai. So, in S3, I'd imagine we'll get another reused classic film quote like "I crafted these rings with your mother's chest hair!"
Yea, no. I read it as her ego being so massive she didn't want to admit to anyone that she completely screwed up in not figuring out he was Sauron given she'd spent centuries looking to kill him. Gil-Galad getting her to admit it came across as like pulling teeth. And yea, she never told Celebrimbor either. She just helped finished up the Three Rings even though by that point she knew Sauron WANTED her to do it, never said a word to him about it.
Just a slight correction, when you say Satan, who you actually mean is Lucifer. Also Morgoth would be Middle Earth’s Lucifer, Sauron would basically be Lucifer’s understudy. That part is the writers’ fault, of course, not yours
Well, yeah, but the point is that they are pulling imagery of Satan for their character. If memory serves, Tolkien actually said Sauron was more evil than Morgoth; much less powerful, but that Morgoth was more sympathetic.
Morgoth isn't really a paradise lost sort of character. Sauron works within the Paradise Lost metaphors. But Morgoth is something else entirely. Morgoth literally wants to first corrupt and then destroy everything down to the last bit of dust.
Whenever a franchise tries to retroactively correct the chaos of a "make-it-up-as-we-go-along" plot, I always hear Peter Sellers as Inspector Clouseau saying, "Yes, I knew it all the time," in my mind.
Just to add to 2:47 😂 the magic key, for some reason destroyed the dam, which requires Orcs to know they needed to dig miles and miles of trenches and connect it to a volcano 😐
This is the first time I was able to watch one of these react videos live. Platoon engaging with the live chat was awesome. Thanks for the vod, hopefully the rest won't be stuck in copyright purgatory. Cheers!
Waldrig being the Mouth of Sauron would have been a great move but that would have required the ability to write, which the writers of this show clearly lack.
Seems like Cirdan should be rooting harder for Middle Earth since it's his home more than for some other elves who lived in Valinor. Conversely, Cirdan can be rooting for all elves to go to Valinor since he's always dreamed of going there. The problem with creating "the oldest and wisest of us" stereotype is the character is only allowed to talk in circles and exist for the education and actualization of others instead of having his own goals and ambitions.
Well that's the problem...the characters are only ever used superficially in this series, not to mention with Cirdan they are working without having proper knowledge of his characterization (or what's beyond their licensing :)) "...Cirdan was the leader of those who sought longest for Elwe when he was lost and did not come to the shores to depart from Middle-earth. Thus he forfeited the fulfilment of his greatest desire: to see the Blessed Realm and find again there Olwe and his own nearest kin. Alas, he did not reach the shores until nearly all the Teleri of Olwe's following had departed. Then, it is said, he stood forlorn looking out to sea, and it was night, but far away he could see a glimmer of light upon Eressea ere it vanished into the West. Then he cried aloud: 'I will follow that light, alone if none will come with me, for the ship that I have been building is now almost ready.' But even as he said this he received in his heart a message, which he knew to come from the Valar, though in his mind it was remembered as a voice speaking in his own tongue. And the voice warned him not to attempt this peril; for his strength and skill would not be able to build any ship able to dare the winds and waves of the Great Sea for many long years yet. 'Abide now that time, for when it comes then will your work be of utmost worth, and it will be remembered in song for many ages after.' 'I obey,' Cirdan answered, and then it seemed to him that he saw (in a vision maybe) a shape like a white boat, shining above him, that sailed west through the air, and as it dwindled in the distance it looked like a star of so great a brilliance that it cast a shadow of Cirdan upon the strand where he stood. As we now perceive, this was a foretelling of the ship which after apprenticeship to Círdan, and ever with his advice and help, Eärendil built, and in which at last he reached the shores of Valinor. From that night onwards Círdan received a foresight touching all matters of importance, beyond the measure of all other Elves upon Middle-earth" Last writings, Peoples of Middle Earth Also in the show the characters are only as smart as the writers...and Amazon writers are clearly not the sharpest tools in the shed :).
But Adar does care---he's just so terrified of Sauron that he's willing to kill half his orcs instead of, you know, negotiating. It's so weird; two armies going to war when both of them have the same enemy.
@@billjacobs521 Well Sauron didnt know that Adar knew who he was yet, so Adar could have bided his time & hit him at the opportune moment, Sauron even left to see the dwarves at one point, they could have got him enroute rather than laying siege & having a full on battle.
Not really what happened - Adar was right that Sauron wouldn't forgive the slight against him if he lived. Maybe he was wrong in letting them believe Sauron was dead, but he didn't know he wasn't. It's the only Orc-like moment, when the orcs betray the only person who truly wanted something other than slavery for them, but of course, they couldn't even have it be for the right reasons - Sauron the deceiver didn't even take the pain to deceive them.
The only good thing about the Rings of Power is it got me to re-read the Silimarilon (I know they I spelt that wrong, it's a hard word to spell off the top of my head but I swear to God I read it twice.)
Wouldn't it be easier to just Google it to find out real quick than to type a whole sentence apologizing for spelling it wrong? I do that all the time.
I love the ideas for Waldreg 1:08:25-1:10:45. That would have been the ONE good thing the show could have done. Personally I rather he become a Naz-Guul, but the idea of him becoming The Mouth of Sauron is great in its own thematic way. He started off waiting for Sauron, so for him to not only get that, be rewarded by him, and then have to exist without him would be great. The Mouth was never shown or confirmed to have died so he could have still been alive.
Yea . . . if push comes to shove, Sauron does treat all beneath him as disposable, HOWEVER his ultimate goal is to rule over all life in Middle-Earth. Whether they willingly accept him or are forced to makes no difference to him, though he has no reason not to reward loyalty in particularly useful and freely willing servants. Indeed, the Nazgul are effectively immortal, even though they are entirely subservient to him. But for one such as Waldreg, a guy as we are shown was WAITING for him to come back, would it be any change from how he is? The Mouth also works, since presumably he is one with Sauron's mind on an even deeper level than the Nazgul (presumably) to fulfill his function as Sauron's Herald.
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This video may be a bit janky in places as it was cut to hell in a bid to sneak past Amazon's copyright malfeasance. The final Season One video is still sneaking but should be out midweek.
A great thing to wake up to
It's nice to know that even the writers never saw Season One, and just made it all up in isolation of even their own canon.
Oh, right, there is NO Tolkien Canon. They fly now. I look forward to seeing trolls on speeder bikes and orcs working in the DMV. Actually, that would be pretty cool ...
This is like a holiday to see your new video! But I'm gonna watch RoP first - only to enjoy tens of hours of delicious critique^^
- Adûnâi
The old man with the pouch should have been discarded outright, it should have been revealed that the emblem was what the viewer wanted to see, that Sauron was always subtly manipulating how he was perceived, that he made Amazon’s Guy-lad-f’real see what he need her to, in order to launch the Numenorean campaigns and occupations into Middle Earth. It should have been shown to be just a plain and nondescript coin bag, or phylactery.
We've already dug a tunnel under it, we won't be stopped coming across the channel. *evil laughs in baguette*
In retrospect, I consider Mighty Morfydd Power Elf surviving pyroclastic blast in final episode of Season 1 a clever commentary on the notion that true evil never dies.
No, you see the pyroclastic flow was evil, and therefore not hot at all.
@@funkydiscogod Now that's a good point!
It's all very Tolkienian, you see. Just like evil cannot truly create, it can only destroy, likewise evil cannot truly die, it can only transform into black goo.
“It is only… REBORN!!!!”
(Shoutout to the Wheel of the Worst fans who get that reference)
@@anemone3694 Galadriel should have turned into a pile of goo after that fall off of the cliff. They could have made her a sentient pile of goo like Sauron and have her just follow her Elf friends around for season three, except no speaking lines for Gooladriel. I must admit, I did enjoy watching Sauron kick her ass in the finale.
This is no mere RUclipsr
He is The Little Platoon
Son of The Big Platoon
You owe him your allegiance.
The plot twist is that the Big Platoon makes 5-10 minute videos instead of Little Platoon's 1-5 hour videos lol
@@poissonsumac7922 He is from a age long past. When short kings reigned over magnificent white cities. We are now in the age of the long men.
Three Little Platoons constitute a
Little Company
@@NoPantsBaby Short kings still reign lol
Big Platoon is canon
"Celebrimbor, don't talk to Halbrand."
"Okay, but why?"
"Just don't."
"Elrond, what is she talking about?"
"No time to talk. Gimme those rings."
*_Later, in Lindon_*
"You lied about Halbrand."
"Yes...."
"Who is he?"
"Not who I thought."
"Yeah, no shit. Who is he?"
"He' hot."
"BITCH WHO IS HE???!!!"
"He's Sauron."
*_Even later in Lindon_*
"This message tells Celebrimbor that Halbrand is Sauron. Go, single light messenger, and pray nothing bad happens to you on your journey to Eregion."
To continue the nonsense further.
Single elf messenger finds a bridge freshly destroyed in what can only be described as magical bs.
"OH HURDUR LET ME TAKE A DETOUR!"
"Shouldn't we inform the king? Or send word back?" Says single guard.
"No, you dullwit. This message requires all of us to go."
"Does it?"
"Yes, it says on the writing on my inner arm!"
"... whose blood is that?"
"Mine, you utter fool! Now excuse me, but this spooky forest is making me rather dizzy. Please good sir carry me!"
"..."
"Do you want a smack? Guard? Guard!"
*dying screams*
Fuck we could make such a good parody out of this show. Do you think Amazon would let us... I mean we only need a few rolls of tin foil and seven depressed homeless men to help all the elves.
EVEN LATER
“Hey remember that messenger? He’s been gone like 4 days, should we check nothing happened to him?”
“Oh that’s just Alf, he’s disabled.”
@@TheLittlePlatoon
*_Later, in the "Barrow-Downs"_*
"Wait.... ALF?! Is that you?!"
"Hey guys!"
"We thought....oh no. Uh, never mind."
@@MajorSmurf I don't trust Amazon to properly adapt bored of the rings
@@TheLittlePlatoon Alf the Elf. Short for Alfred, short for an Elf.
"It's like poetry; it's gay!" literally had me in tears!
A proper Subversion Of Expectation
Caught me properly off-guard 😂
I'm not even mad at this spoil cause I read it in my head in Pantaloon's voice perfectly.
That why you say "no homo", it makes it alright.
That was really good, "the type of writing you get for a billion dollars" good
strange old men distributing amulets is no basis for a system of government!!
Neither is a giant eagle disrupting a coronation
If a moistened bint lobs a scimitar at me, can I take control of political office? Ridiculous
Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
Nor a sea monster that is full
I understood this reference
The filming of Season 2 to try and improve after Season 1 is like changing your shirt after crapping your pants.
Then Amazon found a way to crap their shirt
@yagamifire7861 Congratulations, Sir, you just killed me 🤣
@@yagamifire7861
Aka, trusting a fart after burrito night.
@@kylekatarn5964and trusting your toddler to wear no diapers while he plays in your car
@@youtubeistarm lolol
Oh cool, they're basing a lot of it off Paradise Lost. I wonder if there's any _other books_ they might want to consider basing the show off of...
Yeah, the Twilight series of books
You made me laugh out loud, thank you.
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 given the shit they pull with sauron AND elrond it's almost guaranteed
This show gives me the confidence to start writing myself, because it can’t really be worse than that
Do it do it! Even if you’ve never learned English (or any other language) it could not be worse!
And seriously-we the audience need good writing. Someday H’wood will realize that, too.
Go for it. Fifty Shades of Grey gave me the same feeling - but that was so much worse in a way because that was actually a massive commercial success.
Thats the sole good use effect of this show then! Go off! Also i love ur name
"Gil-galad's first and only experiment with good sense" is such an unequivocally british snide. Shine on, Platoon
That's Gilga-daddy to you, bucko
I did a little investigating into what Amazon owns the rights to, and it’s shocking how much material they’re simply ignoring. They own the rights to the full trilogy, including the appendices.
Given this, it’s rather shocking that Beren and Luthien are absent. Given that Galadriel is constantly grieving her dead brother, it would have been something to use to bring up that Finrod gave his life to save Beren. Many the nobility of Numenor, including Muriel, Pharazôn, and Elendil trace their lineage back to Beren. It would have been something to utilize.
I’m aware Amazon changed the timeline so that Finrod died after Morgoth’s fall, but it is a rather pointless change. Think of the drama that can be milked out of examining why not only an immortal elf, but an actual king of elves, gave his life to save a mortal man. You could explore it through a man like Pharazon, a man who thinks greatly about mortality and dwells on death and legacy.
And they have rights to at least reference all of this, if not portray it. A few lines of the Lay of Luthien are within Fellowship, so it’s there waiting to be used.
Yeah, I think if anything I gave them the benefit of the doubt with the material omitted from S1, but every time they drop it in as references - Beren and Luthien are explicitly mentioned in S2 - it emphasises how many bad choices are made in the selection of content they do have the rights to, not just bad choices made in the absence of source material to draw on.
They are hacks who cannot write, and they know that on some level. They didn't have the confidence or skill to adapt and retell Tolkien's actual work. Instead they did something within their skill set - invented their own crappy characters, using just enough Tolkien - names, mostly - to make the marketing easy and profit from the existing IP. Their egos couldn't stand the limitations of adapting a work from a superior intelligence. They didn't want to curate a priceless artwork, they wanted to play in their own sandpit with some branded action figures.
Look, they don't even want to use Galadriel's HUSBAND or her other siblings--they definitely aren't going to dedicate their 7 neurons to other, non-plot-relevant characters (their plot, not Tolkien's plot, obviously).
@@cosmicmuffin322 I say it’s a ritual. A ritualistic vandalism to flex power over a property and the people connected to said property.
@@cosmicmuffin322 It’s more confusing than that, at least to me. They can actually use the source material in a way that furthers their apparent goals. Galadriel wants an army from Numenor, or at least a ship to get herself back to Middle Earth. She should leverage that her dead brother, the one who is her driving motivation, died to save their ancestor. Then you can play out how this still seems very current and relevant to someone like Galadriel, while to humans it happened centuries ago and they don’t believe it’s a debt they have to honor. You can contrast the viewpoints of apparently narrow minded, short term thinking humans against the elf memory of Galadriel, creating fuel for the building animosity.
Or take Isildur, for example. They have him alive during the Fall of Eregion, even though it’s hundreds of years early. He’s hanging out doing nothing in Middle Earth waiting for the plot to catch up with him. What if he decides to help? He could end up meeting Elrond, and Elrond might recognize in Isildur the lineage of his long deceased brother. Then when Isildur leaves to go to Numenor at the end of the season, he can deliver news of the fall of Eregion back to his home. Maybe then Pharazon sees the weakening influence of the Elf Kingdoms and decides it’s time to make Numenor a colonial power. As it is, Isildur is heading back to Numenor and there’s no information traveling with him of the state of Middle Earth and he has gone on no arc, nor gained anything, not been involved in the main plot in any manner.
Even if these are different than the source, they slot into the story they want to tell better than the void they’ve put in place.
"Stone famously attracts lightning."
I don't know why that line got me so bad. The delivery? I love these videos.
The fact that the numenorians judge their guilty via giant sea beast is one of the dumbest things in this show.
It comes from nowhere, too. I don’t know where they pulled that nonsense from.
@@TheLittlePlatoon You'd think a civilization advanced enough to have a monarchy with complex infrastructure would have more depth in their judicial system
@@bailysawyer804 Well, it's kind of a "judgement by god" situation so it does make some degree of sense. Especially since the numenorians in rings of power have that stupid "the sea is always right" mantra. The wyrm could be considered an avatar of the sea in some sense so throwing someone in with the wyrm and the wyrm sparing their lives could be seen as "the sea" (god) sparing them. And "the sea (god) is always right".
Of course this doesn't make a lick of sense in the actual world of Tolkien because there already is a god of the sea with Ulmo. And the ancestors of the numenorians did fight side by side with Ulmo in the war of wrath. So why they would consider some random wyrm as an avatar of the sea (meaning a subordinate of ulmo) is beyond me. Granted, the war of wrath was millenia earlier but considering their very island, their strength and longevity were given to them as a reward for their ancestors deeds in exactly that war you'd think they'd remember that.
Oh you mean the fact that they bothered to make up a stupid phoney sea religion when the Numenoreans were gifted the island by literal angels?
"...more depth in their judicial system."
Perfection
Your performance of the Ballad of Waldreg brought a tear to my eye, Ploots. Truly perfection does not only exist in Valinor.
Platoon: _a LONG- ..._
Me: Say no more!
well it's not that long... he's done close to 4H vids before... I have no idea how he made a vid that size without his HDD exploding, but he did.
@@marhawkman303i mean ITS definitley longer than average
I think shows like RoP and the Acolyte can be summarized with one point:
The writers are not interested in doing their job well, but they want recognition. They want to be like Tolkien, and be celebrated for their vision, but they either aren't willing to put the work in to make their vision good, or even worse they don't have a vision and have to steal the work of others.
These kinds of shows are the ultimate symbol of entitlement. "I want a show because I'm so great and deserve recognition. Anyone who doesn't like it just doesn't realize how great I am" meanwhile they have absolutely nothing to say, and cause those who believed in them to bleed money.
There was no future where this show succeeded. It's just a question of how long until the people funding it have had enough.
I don't think they know that they suck. I think that, on paper, they are kinda-sorta doing that writing thing, and that's all they see.
I think the authors of RoP are more interested and fascinated by Game of Thrones than Lord of the Rings.
I personally think that the writers, like many script writers in Hollywood, are just... part of a bubble, that basically doesn't extend further than the coast of California, maybe the rest of the US if they're lucky.
Why? Because that part of the US is modern, it's progressive, it's multicultural in the most simple way, a classic melting pot. It is, for many people in the industry, the entire world, or at least what the world should be, and the things preventing it from being perfect, in their eyes, are the persisting biases towards women and minorities, as well as the dehumanisation of people when they act against the public interest.
And as a result, when they get the microphone, these people make badass female 'protagonists' who 'take no shit from no-one' and who are not allowed to admit they're wrong for that is being weak, in a melting pot world, facing off against a misunderstood villain who can be redeemed with the power of sad looks at the right moment, also known as the power of 'love'; either that, or they take the fight to the most insidious and irredeemable monster of all, a social system dominated by rich white men which opresses those who dare to be different, also known as... the Patriarchy™.
And mind you, none of this will automatically disqualify these stories, there are plenty of good stories that follow this formula and yet add their own spin to the tale (I've yet to watch Arcane so I could be wrong, but from what I have seen it largely seems to follow a similar general frame, and also from what I've seen it pulls its story off masterfully). The problems arise when this formula is shoehorned into already existing universes like Tolkien's, or the MCU, or historical movies/video games. Yes, black Cleopatra, we're looking at you.
These movie plots amount to pretty much wishful thinking from their writers that the world would be so much better if it was how they wanted to see it, and they use death of the author as an excuse to mess around with canonicity or historical accuracy to the point where it becomes unrecognizable. Galadriel graceful queen? Galadriel bitchy savant. Sauron pure evil? Sauron amateur plotter. Greatest elves that ever lived? All idiots now, also have a token black elf, that will teach the Patriarchy™. Greatest human civilization ever? They are what happens when Trump gets in charge again, dûh!
It is, in short, the most infuriating version of self-insert fan fiction. The kind that ignores the rules of the universe it's written in to glorify their own creation, in turn diminishing said universe and polishing their own turds not because they are of value, but because they came up with them.
And when their work is finished, they pat each others backs and share the finest of champagnes, while reducing any criticism to 'online haters gonna hate'. Because that is their lens into this world.
@@the_tactician9858 I dunno, modern California seems to me closer to Mordor than the classic vision. Oh well, I guess they ARE writing what they know.
It doesn't 100% satisfy me, because if you did the bare minimum, you'd still manage to cram out something that, while not approaching Tolkien at 1000 kms, would be serviceable according to the basics of writing they teach at every Creative Writing 101 class. To write things that should be simple so badly I can only think there's actually effort made into making things bad. Like, if they were shooting in the dark, they'd still hit at least one target.
Everytime they say High King, all I hear is Charlie Hopkinson's Boromir going "that's not very formal. You can't say Hi to the King".
Always remember, children. Whenever Master Platoon gives us an high quality analysis:
Pleasure is coming.
"Don't cry. It's a waste of good suffering."
-Little Platoon... probably.
True
I can happily say i've not once watched a single Episode of Rings of Power, but I have watched all your Reviews on it which are much better.
Same here and I can guarantee that I enjoy the review better than I would the 'thing' being reviewed.
Same here! The reviews seemed so much more enjoyable than the show! 😂 I can also recommend the review of „Random Film Talk“. Hilarious!
Same
do yourself a favor and watch the season 2 finale. i had not watched a single minute of RoP, and a few weeks ago decided it was time to see how bad it is. Well, it is amazingly bad, atrociously bad, and i think it really helps put all these reviews into perspective. it is also so terrible on a one-episode-only basis that it is entertaining to yell at the screen for 45 minutes or whatever. my wife and i had a good laugh. i know it’s hateful to give amazon the watch minutes, but . . .
@@tomernst8595 I don‘t know if I’m strong enough 🥺
I'm not even halfway through yet, but "catastrophuck" is now my new favourite word. 🤣
Since I was gonna go on a movie marathon but now I'm probably gonna watch this instead, Little Platoon played me like a harp, but the tune was not of my own choosing!!!! Oh my goooooosh that's so deep, I hope we get lines like that in this show lol
“Grond news” is such a legendary typo
I'd sub to Grond News. WHO'S WITH ME!?
GROND
GROND
GROND
GROND
Mrs. Doubtshire is pretty funny
Somehow, Waldreg will return in Season 3 to flood Numenor.
JUSTICE FOR WALDREG
Yay! And Glug too!
He couldn’t brie!
Waldreg did nothing wrong.
He will flood it by removing a giant cork plug under Numenor.
Rings of Power cast interviews are peak disconnection from reality.
IDK. What's her face, Snow White, is really giving them a run for their money.
It is said that when Robert Maxwell interviewed the evil Romanian socialist dictator Nicolae Ceausescu he asked "why are you so popular with your people?" I think these cast interviews surpass that.
"He had a key that could switch on a volcano" EXCUSE ME??!!! NO!!! What actually happens was *no were near that well written!!*
The key opens a dam witch turns on a river witch flows into a volcano witch somehow makes lava explode!
Yes, but that means the key turned on the volcano.
Might as well say my key doesn't unlock my front door because it merely aligns the tumblers, which unblocks the turning mechanism, which moves the deadbolt, which unlocks my door.
Well the "somehow makes lava explode" bit makes sense in that "phreatomagnetic" eruptions exist, where water and magma come into contact with each other, but I've heard that the proportion of water to magma in that scene is too small to cause an eruption of the size we've seen (that, however, I'm willing to forgive). No, the key (haha) problem remains with an ignition hilt to set off a chain reaction to activate a volcano. Who, in essence, would build a self-destruct switch for a country?
@@schnippelfriedschnappelsac8310 It's not magma it's lava
it exposed to air it's under very little pressure, frankly if the key just magically made the mountain explode it would have been better
"...flip the man
in the pan
the trap is set
now drooooo-oop the net
Catch a mouse with Mousetrap" wait… what was we talking about again?
@@schnippelfriedschnappelsac8310 The issue is not just with the tiny amount of water. A phreomagmatic eruption also needs an enclosed space so that pressure from the flash boiled water can accumulate until it reaches a critical point where the containment breaks and all of the pressure is released in a steam explosion. The most well known example is the explosion of Krakatau in 1883.
Also, the reason for that "self destruct switch for a country" as you called it is because it wasn't sauron who built it. The area known as "mordor" used to be one titanic fortress. Specifically the fortress of Morgoth. Morgoth himself raised the mountains around mordor as fortification walls and he created mount doom as his throneroom and as a forge. However, after morgoths defeat in the war of wrath mount doom calmed down and stopped constantly erupting. It was later in the second age that Sauron reawakened mount doom, repaired the forge to the best of his abilities and then forged the one ring there. This is of course a very much abridged version of events, but it should cover all major points.
I’m calling it now. The next part will be called The Desecration of Smug. Or something similar.
Judging by the S1 horseriding scene; The Defecation of Smug.
Why can’t Fake Galadriel smile like a human? Is Morfydd Clark that bad an actress, or is Fake Galadriel that terrible a character? If Clark is a bad actress *and* Fake Galadriel is a terrible character, I feel like there would have to be at least one instance where the actress breaks character and manages at least *one* believably human smile.
A combo of limited acting and bad directing
She's pretty fucking bad.
Cate Blanchett had a wonderful, sincere smile in the trilogy.
It is the actor's fault.
I think it is a direction thing. It seems like all girl bosses lately have the same expression all the time. I can’t imagine it’s all accidental coincidence.
You misogynist! She does have a derp face though
The Waldreg content from you and the Glug simping from Random are the absolutely best things that have come from this show.
It’s funny how we are meant to like all other other Elven an dwarve characters
But we all like Waldreg instead 😂
@@ComradeCommissarYuri Absolutely, Waldreg supremacy! The true lord of the Southlands!
_"Here comes Waldrich, he's a berzerker"_
From Clerks
Just so we're clear, there hasn't been a king in the Southlands for a thousand years (iirc), then "my family used to serve them" was at least 40 generations ago. Why would anyone ever care about "changing circumstances" over that much time? Surely someone along the way had something better to do than look after a random pouch that they got from their great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-etc etc etc etc etc grandfather?
Somewhere along the way it would have been lost. It surely would not have any emotional meaning to the current generation.
I think they establish that the last king of Southlands died without an heir more like 300 years ago. But still, yeah, strangely long time to hang on to that. But we know these writers have no concept of time or distance.
If they even retained the concept and would fall into organization under a king, they would have elevated SOMEONE after the original lineage died off.
If they completely rejected taking a new king, after a few years, the story would absolutely get around to all of the other monarchies.
With even a passing level of thought, the Southland kingship plot makes zero sense.
@@billjacobs521 They don't remember what they wrote in previous episodes and can't be bothered to check their own notes. And they similarly expect the audience to have the attention span of goldfish.
And we're also supposed to believe (for season 1 to make sense) that this this symbol of a centuries-old dead royal family that nobody remembers the name of (I don't believe they ever give a name), has so much meaning that damn near everyone in the Southlands, along with numerous non-Southlands figures recognize it as tied to that Kingdom and has meaning . . . but somehow also don't remember the fact that House has been dead for centuries and that Kingdom gone.
You're right, the Southlanders especially should have no meaning for it at this point. At best it would be the myth of a Kingdom that once existed in their lands, and with symbols they no longer recognize as having any meaning today.
Seems like episodes 7 and 8 of season 1 were so horrible that Platoon had to skip them
You can blame RUclips’s ContentID system for that. The final S1 video should be out of copyright hell midweek.
@@TheLittlePlatoon RUclips sounds like a great platform to work on
After watching Season 2 - I see a pattern here.
It seems like Season 2 has made Season 1 almost completely irrelevant.
I haven’t checked Rumble yet for this channel but all creators should be on both, as well at the other much freer platforms.
Those five... 'adult pretenders' flapping their gums at the start is one of the most insipid spectacles I've seen in relation to this ridiculous show.
Nori actress is cute. She can go on an adventure with me anytime. I have a better staff than the Grand Elf.
@@ledarbyromeo9667 nobody needs to know the name of your dildo you use to penetrate yourself dude
Once more into the breach,
Where no sane soul would tread,
For corrupt of heart this story only reach,
May we remember those whose sanity is lost and dead.
Five seasons were foretold,
Yet only two has killed what took decades to build,
Will there will be any soul who is so greatly bold,
To step once more into the breach freshly drilled.
It's interesting that you only briefly mention the "petty bickering" aspect here. It can't have escaped your noticed that such dialogue - and thus plot progression (or lack thereof) - has become a major feature of most fictional media these days. I call it "The Eastenders Effect" - the plot can only happen if the characters repeatedly _avoid_ saying the one thing that would benefit their cause _and_ persuade their conversational partner to join them.
RoP takes it so far that 50% of the dialogue, whether or not it's an argument, is just folks talking past each other. "What do you want for dinner?" is met with "We're out of orange juice."
I call it the post-Season 6 GoT writing (like I call the inept, character-assassinating, plot-ridden stories they come up with "the GoT season 8 storytelling"), like everyone saw the last few seasons of GoT and the "adoring" reaction of the fans and went "that's my golden standard now".
I mean, I love Wheel of Time, but it was partially based on critical communication failures between the EMondsfield Five back in the 80s/90s.
Doctor Octagonopus,
My favorite LOTR character.
"Many orcs will die" Why would you say that to your own army? Is Sauron trying to dissuade the Orcs from following him? Thats not what you would say if you were trying to inspire the army. The only reason he said that in the speech is so the audience will know why the orcs turn on him. So the speech Sauron gives to the Orcs, isnt for the orcs at all, its purely for the audience.
If it was before a big battle, I could get it. But he's literally pitching to them the idea of being horrifically experimented on. Shocking that they declined.
Works for us Americans
Tree of liberty and all that
Our founders told us it’s the blood of Tyrants and Patriots that Liberty demands.
More to the point, why would Sauron care to be so 'honest' to the Orcs? He's known as a Deceiver, one would assume this would apply even to many of his own servants as well, albeit perhaps not to such a ludicrous degree where he is willing to throw away everyone who helps him for nothing.
We also know later he has the power to outright dominate minds that are not remotely evil even without the One Ring, so yea the entire scene makes no sense.
Unless we're supposed to assume he 'planned' on deliberately getting himself Caesar'd.
We get it Amazon, Sauron isn't _really_ bad, he's just a misunderstood bad boy and you can change him.
Dark Romance is what sells books these days. Galadriel is just craving to be chained to a mountaintop without food or drink, waiting for beautiful Sauron to come to her with that cup of poisoned wine.
@schnippelfriedschnappelsac8310 Well, that is . . . certainly an extremely _specific_ image. Am I too "unread" in the genre to get the reference?
@@schnippelfriedschnappelsac8310 and by poisoned wine you mean his big fat....lembas bread! while shes chained up right?
The sea monster sparing him proves it!
@@donaldjgumpofficial5754
The sea is always right!
(Breaths a big sigh of relief)
I was worried that the brain aneurysms from the last couple of episodes really did you in this time when part 4 of season 1 didn't drop as planned!
Season 1 delay’s purely a copyright thing, that’ll hopefully be out Wednesday.
@@TheLittlePlatoon awesome!
“No one cared who I was until I put on The Ring”
Or the Wig.
Steve Rogers: I understood that reference! (shit calls to shit after all)
Galadriel withholding all information about Sauron infiltrating Elven civilization is absolutely hilarious to me for some reason
Is it just me or do the rings look bad? Like gaudy and cheap?
You are not alone, they do in fact look cheap and gaudy.
On reddit, the common association was Ring Pop candy.
I think Galadriel's ring itself looks alright...if the jewel was about half the size.
So much for that Elven craftsmanship... looks like something you'd see on the fingers of a Kardashian.
We should’ve known when in season 1, Celebrimbor didn’t know you could melt different metals together to make stronger metals….
Something is up with the smithing in this show. Almost like not a single blacksmith was hired to consult this billion dollar show.
'He takes the form of Simon Pegg' ... holy shit now I can't unsee it.
@@givmi_more_w9251 I saw him as a Michael Sheen cosplaying as Simon Pegg cosplaying as Sauron.
I believe there’s something fundamentally wrong with the modern conception of how to make a series. I don’t know why a season only constitutes 8 episodes. Someone might tell me it’s about the enormous cost of an episode, but I’d ask, “Why can’t you add more scenes that are cheaper to produce and save the money for the episodes more meant to be spectacle?”
Old television had this model of “bottle” episodes. You have the actors, their costumes, you have the sets in place. You create an episode focused exclusively on using stuff already in place, with limited or no guest stars and no effects. I don’t know why Amazon couldn’t take the same amount of money and use their existing sets, costumes, and cast, and stretch the season out to 15 episodes. As it is, none of the plots have sufficient time to breathe, and it makes any time spent on the more minor plots seem an incredible waste of time.
This would have allowed a lot more time for the crafting of rings to not seem so rushed, to perhaps portray Durin III’s corruption a bit more subtly and occurring over a greater period of time, and maybe even find a way to give Isildur something to do. As it is, this series accomplishes the difficult feat of feeling both insanely rushed while also having ridiculous wastes of time. Maybe with more time, characters could have actual conversations instead of just quickly finding a dramatic line to read before cutting to something else.
True. Disney is doing the same thing with stuff like the The Acolyte. But really, 8 episodes would also work--8 tight, focused episodes. They can't manage that either. I can only assume that Amazon is just that incompetent with their money; Robert Rodriguez could have made this entire show for the cost of one Marvel movie.
That's what a lot of shows still do, especially anime or animated series. Wherever you can shave the cost off, do it with the least unimportant moments like scenes where characters are just talking and what not so you can focus all the money elsewhere when action is happening. I legit don't know where most of the money for ROP goes to because it doesn't appear on screen. The sets always feel so small like you can tell they had about three feet to work with. The armours and costumes often feel cheap and tacky. Yet look like at LOTR, Helms deep is mostly a miniature, same for Minas Tirith, and you wouldn't fcking notice that it's only a few physical sets for both. Eregion a massive city feels like it's village, and same goes for Lindon like all we see is that pissing tree set which they built for S1. Why are we not seeing armies of elves on the walls? Why are we not seeing multiple battling fronts from a single shot so we can feel the geography. They have the money there is no excuse for a twenty year old film kicking your ass in every department when CG was still struggling with a lot of things.
I agree, but I think 40 hours is enough to tell this story well.
8 hours to say "Sauron tricked the elves then made his own ring"
8 hours to say "Sauron declares war to reclaim his rings, and is pushed back, but rules in the East"
8 hours to say "Sauron disburses the rings, creates Nazgul, and Numenor rises and captions Sauron".
8 hours to say "Sauron corrupts Numenor, it declares war on the Valar, Numenor falls, Elendil escapes."
8 hours to say "Establish Gondor and Arnor, Sauron returns, it's War, Isildur keeps the ring."
That's all that happens. 40 hours to say just that. The real reason they had to rush stories is because they doubled the plot, with protohobbits, and fade-cut elves
@@MajorSmurf Awesome Smurf.
At present, they have the 7 Dwarven rings in the hands of somebody who has seen firsthand that they drive people insane and whose best friend knows they were crafted by Sauron’s intent.
I can’t wait to see what bullshit they write to explain how they end up in the hands of all the Dwarf lords
Blackadder....I mean Black Adar.
Yes, Waldreg functions as Black Adar's Baldrick.
Baldreg.
If they had Adar break the 4th wall and point out all the plotholes and stupid bits in the story, it might actually manage to become enjoyable.
Also does that mean Miriel is Queenie?
“It’s like poetry, it’s gay.”
That’s one for the books
It is repeatedly stated that Galadriel commands the “Northern Armies”. How many “Armies” specifically are we talking about? Who is the commander of the Southern Armies? How big is an Elven “Army”? Did she previously command a Battalion, then progressively a Brigade, Division, Corps? Is she a graduate of the Elven Military Academy-Rivendell? Is there such a thing as “Army Group South Linden”?
I love military fiction written by nincompoops who’ve never served a day in uniform, never read a book about military history, and actively despise military culture and values. Can’t wait for Season Three.
Oh, just you wait, episode 2 clears that all up. There’s a Commander of the Western Armies, who wants to attack Mordor from the North; there’s Galadriel, who somehow remains Commander of the Northern Armies, who wants to attack it from the West. And there’s a Commander of the Eastern Armies, who wants to attack Mordor - MORDOR! - from… the East.
Tolkien never answered these questions. He just wrote about Galadriel that she was "of amazon disposition", fought in the Battle of Alqualonde and that she watched the army of the Dwarves of Khazad-dum "with the eye of a commander" (Unfinished Tales). Interesting is that _that_ quote is Second Age. Well, Tolkien was never very much interested in battles. We usually get 20 pages about walking, trees, hills, more walking, long conversations + some random poems, and then... half a page battle description :)
Who is the commander of the Southern Armies?
Should be Elrond actualy, as he was the guardian of borders of Harlindon, south province of Lindon :)
@@anni.68 what the hell are you talking about?! He described battles left and right! Sure he doesn't go into the whole nitty gritty details, but there are enough...I mean entire War of the Elves and Sauron is described in regards to movements of the armies and hosts :). Then there are the Battles of the Fords of Isen,...which are entire essays dedicated to the battles!!!!!
@@fantasywind3923 Of course. My point is not that Tolkien cannot describe battle scenes, quite the contrary, but they are not his focus. Compared to his musings, contemplations and peoples conversations his description of battle scenes are much less detailed and much shorter. The Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth e.g. has 22 pages, the Nirnaeth Arnoediad, the greatest battle of the First Age (except the War of Wrath) has 11 pages, including the preparations.
Drinker likened Goopy Floppy Sauron to a dog turd rolling down a slope and I can't unsee it 😂
In the words of everyone's favourite symbiote:
"You will be this armless, legless, faceless thing, won't you? Rolling down the street. . . like a turd. . .in the wind."
@@schnippelfriedschnappelsac8310 "Tuuuuurd in the wiiiind....all he is, 's a turd, in. the. wiiiiind."
You: Tell me it's a The Little Platoon video essay without telling me it's a Little Platoon video essay.
Me: Part 1 is 1 hour and 45 minutes long.
I thought you had another video for Season 1 coming up.
Looking forward to this, they're a really good, in depth look at the series, Tolkien's writings and more besides.
I do, and it’s done, but this one escaped copyright hell first. That one is due out midweek.
@@TheLittlePlatoon Ah, ok, lovely jubbly! What odd, but fortuitous, circumstances.
@TheLittlePlatoon Serendipitous! Now I'll have something to look forward to after my important meeting on Wednesday!
Yay
49:38
I find it rather rich of Gil-Galad telling a prince - and probably the equivalent of an elf king in lineage considering who Elrond's great-great grandfather is - of elves to hand over the rings in the manner the show depicts him doing. Even if they don't have the rights to explicitly say *it* the books are pretty explicit about Elrond's lineage. Gil-Galad's herald? Yes. Probably more by choice than by Gil-Galad actually pulling rank.
My point is that Gil-Galad wouldn't speak to Elrond like this. Ever.
The show does in fact make repeat mentions of Elrond’s parents, and even gives a precis version of Earendil’s trip to Valinor in S1. It’s just the writers not thinking through their characters.
That entire scene is absurd anyway. It should be one of the most tense and dramatic debates you could have: these rings may save or doom us and we cannot know which. Should we risk it?
And they just jump straight over it and have Elrond jump straight off a waterfall.
@@TheLittlePlatoonI'll admit to forgetting much of S1, so thank you for the correction
"It's like poetry: it's gay!"
"A lament for Waldreg, by Tolkien (probably)."
"What a lovely, lovely voice!" XD
The cut scenes you utilize between Jackson's movies and Rings really show the contrast in viewing. Their crap is so dark I can hardly see what's going on. Oh well....not worth seeing it anyway. 😅
Finally, I can make my Little Platoon Brat edits. With enough filters, pitch shifts, and unrelated pop culture references TikTok virality awaits.
Thanks for taking the hit. There is no way I was going into that Cave of Second-Hand Embarrassment intentionally. Also, apologies in advance for all the times I am going to use "Mrs. Doubt-Shire" in the future!
The thumbnail cracks me up. We're so used to GUYladriel scowling and grimacing, that when she smiles it looks genuinely creepy and unsettling 😂
She looks like she‘s farted in a library and is hoping nobody noticed.
Every time Guyladriel smiles, a puppy dies.
@@TurinTurambar98 That you Koiba.
Guyladriel? Is the joke that she’s… masculine?
@Violaphobia Just a Nerdrotic reference there my man. Go check him out.
A lot of people vote fantasy as a black canvas, where there are no rules and anything can happen and the reader or viewer will accept it. But all good fantasy has solid rules, and adheres to its own world building. I think the major problem with all of these fantasy adaptations, is that the writers hand no idea how to world build.
I'm sure there are lots of reasons why these Hollywood writers can't world build, but I think one of the big ones is that they have to bring their politics into every aspect of their writing
Maybe the knights of leprousy will end up becoming the knights of Ren?
Maybe they already ARE the Knights of Ren. They have the same amount of depth.
"Grand wizards don't really like dark wizards."
If I'd been drinking, I would have done a spit take...
The Shadow of Mordor game did a better job of portraying Celebrimbor than this show.
Did anyone else imagine Sauron muttering "Et tu Orcs?" As they jumped in to stab away at him? Amazon missed a trick with not including that sly reference
"Grond News" ah ha ha haaah. Actually made me chuckle. Thank you Platoon.
The writers said in interviews that Sauron the soy noodle Venom symbiote spent thousands of years in this state. Meaning Galadriel was really bad at finding him.
I was looking forward to Simon Pegg’s eternal reign of darkness.
S2's prologue also gives Sauron a perfect alibi for having killed Finrod. He was a pool of black goo when this happened.
Thank you Ploots, that was better written than RoP.
Yes! I have cleared the lowest of low bars.
@@TheLittlePlatoon Here's a challange, try and write something worse. 🤣
Thanks for another great review.
I enjoy listening to these.
Thanks! Glad you like them.
@@TheLittlePlatoon Of course. Looking forward to watching/listening to the rest when you make them.
Keep up the great work.
A Shoop Da Whoop reference? In 2024? I'm here for it.
Amazon's Rings of Power will go down in history as one of the worst TV series in history. It is also a insult to the late Tolkien and his many fans.The writing and acting is truly dire.
I'd believe that if everyone suddenly stopped making new stuff.
Dropping a dr. Octagomapus in there made me do a full spit take. Thank you for that.
It’s a deeeeeeeeeeeep cut meme.
oh my God its Alfred Molina!
The bots are down voting this video hours before it's release 😂
I'm not a bot, I just like to give thumbs down.
Youre definitely a bot @calumlittle9828
I as well. Little Platoon never disappoints !@@calumlittle9828
@calumlittle9828 you have exceeded all culture 🍻
@@calumlittle9828 everyone has their favorite pass time! Obey your thirst!
"Grand wizards don't really like dark wizards". Haha! In David Duke's case, they do like green ones.
One thing the show got right (probably by accident) is that there is land in Mordor that can be worked. The Sea of Núrnen is a big lake in Mordor surrounded be semi-fertile land where slaves produced food for Sauron's armies.
I like the Old Man of Theme. He reminds me of the rambling old people in a nursing home.
Also “he spots a bedraggled bitch” made me cry
Not to make light of the Hat in season 2, but my favorite character was the lightning destroyed bridge
Tragic what happened to him.
@@TheLittlePlatoon Especially since that bridge apparently reduces the travel time between the two cities by like 80%. I guess that ravine is 800 miles long.
Just finished the 5 hour video and was wondering what to watch next, and suddenly, here it is! Thank you for your service, Mr Platoon.
There is more charisma in one of Ian McKellen's strands of hair than in the whole cast sitting at that interview.
You managed to give Gadrial a decent smile in the thumbnail, so good job Platoon.
That's actually in the series.
Crazy eyes
*GADRIAL*
(No need to correct it: it's GaLADriel ... with a severe "lad" deficiency)
Stirring up ancient memories with a Dr. Octogonopus firin his lazar reference. Nicely done.
And some things, that should not have been forgotten, were lost.
Our Lord and Savior Waldreg. Long may he live in his grace
I love that this new feature on YT that automatically highlights text and shows topical videos if you click on the hyperlink knows who Waldreg is.
I still hold out hope for a spinoff show all about that badass horse. That was by far the best character depicted in either season
The "welcome to Mordor" bit with Waldrig is another repurposed dialogue scene from Star Trek 6 when Kirk and Mcoy arrive on Rura Penthe. "Work well and you will be treated well, Work poorly, and you will die"
Correct. Which is a reference to Bridge on the River Kwai. So, in S3, I'd imagine we'll get another reused classic film quote like "I crafted these rings with your mother's chest hair!"
@@ledarbyromeo9667 "There are two kinds of people in the world; those with orc armies, and those who dig. You dig!"
Which almost seems like a reference to the gates of a camp in Germany, “work will set you free”
Are we suggesting that slavery with the payment of not starving was invented by Star Trek? Or even that its origins are in media?
Wait, Galadriel didn't immediately mention the Sauron reveal to anyone, seriously?!
Yeah.
The characters beed to be re... started, for this show to work. That is the sign of a show made for modern audience!
She is a woman.
Nobody told her that Sauron's current identity was important, so it really isn't her fault.
Yea, no.
I read it as her ego being so massive she didn't want to admit to anyone that she completely screwed up in not figuring out he was Sauron given she'd spent centuries looking to kill him.
Gil-Galad getting her to admit it came across as like pulling teeth.
And yea, she never told Celebrimbor either. She just helped finished up the Three Rings even though by that point she knew Sauron WANTED her to do it, never said a word to him about it.
And then somehow, most amusingly, the first video recommended as this one finished was RFT's Hobbit autopsy 😅😅😅😅
Lord of the Brats
The Brats of Sour
Just a slight correction, when you say Satan, who you actually mean is Lucifer. Also Morgoth would be Middle Earth’s Lucifer, Sauron would basically be Lucifer’s understudy. That part is the writers’ fault, of course, not yours
Well, yeah, but the point is that they are pulling imagery of Satan for their character. If memory serves, Tolkien actually said Sauron was more evil than Morgoth; much less powerful, but that Morgoth was more sympathetic.
@@billjacobs521 Satan and Lucifer aren’t the same thing
Morgoth isn't really a paradise lost sort of character. Sauron works within the Paradise Lost metaphors. But Morgoth is something else entirely. Morgoth literally wants to first corrupt and then destroy everything down to the last bit of dust.
Whenever a franchise tries to retroactively correct the chaos of a "make-it-up-as-we-go-along" plot, I always hear Peter Sellers as Inspector Clouseau saying, "Yes, I knew it all the time," in my mind.
Just to add to 2:47 😂 the magic key, for some reason destroyed the dam, which requires Orcs to know they needed to dig miles and miles of trenches and connect it to a volcano 😐
Sarong, sorry Sauron, walked further in a scene than...well, the Fellowship of the Ring.
Collapsing under the weight of its own stupidity maybe even one of the best lines describing this ever
This is the first time I was able to watch one of these react videos live. Platoon engaging with the live chat was awesome. Thanks for the vod, hopefully the rest won't be stuck in copyright purgatory. Cheers!
It’s the eternal hope but it never, ever comes true. They’ll all release… eventually. Glad you could stop by!
Waldrig being the Mouth of Sauron would have been a great move but that would have required the ability to write, which the writers of this show clearly lack.
oh fuck yes
Seems like Cirdan should be rooting harder for Middle Earth since it's his home more than for some other elves who lived in Valinor. Conversely, Cirdan can be rooting for all elves to go to Valinor since he's always dreamed of going there. The problem with creating "the oldest and wisest of us" stereotype is the character is only allowed to talk in circles and exist for the education and actualization of others instead of having his own goals and ambitions.
Well that's the problem...the characters are only ever used superficially in this series, not to mention with Cirdan they are working without having proper knowledge of his characterization (or what's beyond their licensing :))
"...Cirdan was the leader of those who sought longest for Elwe when he was lost and did not come to the shores to depart from Middle-earth. Thus he forfeited the fulfilment of his greatest desire: to see the Blessed Realm and find again there Olwe and his own nearest kin. Alas, he did not reach the shores until nearly all the Teleri of Olwe's following had departed.
Then, it is said, he stood forlorn looking out to sea, and it was night, but far away he could see a glimmer of light upon Eressea ere it vanished into the West. Then he cried aloud: 'I will follow that light, alone if none will come with me, for the ship that I have been building is now almost ready.' But even as he said this he received in his heart a message, which he knew to come from the Valar, though in his mind it was remembered as a voice speaking in his own tongue. And the voice warned him not to attempt this peril; for his strength and skill would not be able to build any ship able to dare the winds and waves of the Great Sea for many long years yet. 'Abide now that time, for when it comes then will your work be of utmost worth, and it will be remembered in song for many ages after.' 'I obey,' Cirdan answered, and then it seemed to him that he saw (in a vision maybe) a shape like a white boat, shining above him, that sailed west through the air, and as it dwindled in the distance it looked like a star of so great a brilliance that it cast a shadow of Cirdan upon the strand where he stood.
As we now perceive, this was a foretelling of the ship which after apprenticeship to Círdan, and ever with his advice and help, Eärendil built, and in which at last he reached the shores of Valinor. From that night onwards Círdan received a foresight touching all matters of importance, beyond the measure of all other Elves upon Middle-earth"
Last writings, Peoples of Middle Earth
Also in the show the characters are only as smart as the writers...and Amazon writers are clearly not the sharpest tools in the shed :).
1:41:44 She gained weight from S01 to S02, your father is correct.
My favourite RUclipsr finally posted, today’s gonna be grand. Cheers Platoon ❤
At least Sauron was honest & up front, Adar claimed to care about orc lives & then threw them all into the meat grinder.
But Adar does care---he's just so terrified of Sauron that he's willing to kill half his orcs instead of, you know, negotiating. It's so weird; two armies going to war when both of them have the same enemy.
@@billjacobs521 Well Sauron didnt know that Adar knew who he was yet, so Adar could have bided his time & hit him at the opportune moment, Sauron even left to see the dwarves at one point, they could have got him enroute rather than laying siege & having a full on battle.
Not really what happened - Adar was right that Sauron wouldn't forgive the slight against him if he lived. Maybe he was wrong in letting them believe Sauron was dead, but he didn't know he wasn't. It's the only Orc-like moment, when the orcs betray the only person who truly wanted something other than slavery for them, but of course, they couldn't even have it be for the right reasons - Sauron the deceiver didn't even take the pain to deceive them.
The only good thing about the Rings of Power is it got me to re-read the Silimarilon (I know they I spelt that wrong, it's a hard word to spell off the top of my head but I swear to God I read it twice.)
Silmarillion.
Silmaril-lion.
"Of the Silmarils".
Wouldn't it be easier to just Google it to find out real quick than to type a whole sentence apologizing for spelling it wrong? I do that all the time.
@@schnippelfriedschnappelsac8310 Dude. Thank you. 😂 I can never remember how many L's go where, but that helps.
@@justforever96 No actually, because my internet when opening new tabs is slowwwwwwww lol. I do that sometimes. My spelling is very poor.
I love the ideas for Waldreg 1:08:25-1:10:45. That would have been the ONE good thing the show could have done.
Personally I rather he become a Naz-Guul, but the idea of him becoming The Mouth of Sauron is great in its own thematic way. He started off waiting for Sauron, so for him to not only get that, be rewarded by him, and then have to exist without him would be great.
The Mouth was never shown or confirmed to have died so he could have still been alive.
Yea . . . if push comes to shove, Sauron does treat all beneath him as disposable, HOWEVER his ultimate goal is to rule over all life in Middle-Earth.
Whether they willingly accept him or are forced to makes no difference to him, though he has no reason not to reward loyalty in particularly useful and freely willing servants.
Indeed, the Nazgul are effectively immortal, even though they are entirely subservient to him. But for one such as Waldreg, a guy as we are shown was WAITING for him to come back, would it be any change from how he is?
The Mouth also works, since presumably he is one with Sauron's mind on an even deeper level than the Nazgul (presumably) to fulfill his function as Sauron's Herald.
LOVE your sarcasms - much better than anything the show has produced :D