@@bobguffaws2901 STP was more acknowledged as a "copy cat" grunge band initially. They sounded like PJ, so people actually didn't like them at the very start because it felt they were just riding off of what the other 4 bands had been doing. Now obviously, STP is much more than that, but that was evident at the time. So if we are talking about most important grunge bands (associating grunge with that time period) it would be inaccurate to label STP as "the most important". They were important that's for sure. The most though?
@@rooster1038 well the pixies have a little grunge style Into their music. Some similar styles relate them to this video since this video is about grunge rock.
@@ClickClan100 I love tripod but facelift is better track by track when you really get down to it.....both are very different tho so I can see why some people would prefer it over facelift
Everyone forgets... Metallica, Pantera, Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax, even Iron Maiden had their most successful platinum/gold albums in the 90s (and late 80s). It was a thirst for heaviness and Hair Metal wasn't delivering. Nirvana did for a bit but died too soon. Metal golden age was 1985 to 1994, then radio/corporations ruined it with their risk-averse, radio-friendly obsessions. Musical golden ages are created by risk-taking, but corporations will lower risks. Also why superhero movies are ruining hollywood (reboots/comics are easy to sell, risk-averse, coward executives). FIGHT BACK: attack cowardice in art, reward bravery, creativity & skill in art.
EXACTLY! Metallica's "Black album" came out in the same year as "Nevermind" and actually outsold it. Everyone forgets about that. Or how about Alternative Metal which came out at the same time? The same argument could be made for Pantera, Faith No More, and Tool ending "hair metal". "Epic" came out a year before "Smells Like Teen Spirit" and it was as far from hair metal as you can get.
Hair Metal committed suicide by inventing the Power Ballad. MTV then played nothing but Power Ballads and a rebellion grew out of those of us wanting something hard, heavy, and solid. MTV then made Grunge popular by making Nirvana their new puppets and showing them every six minutes. Luckily MTV fell victim to it's own greed and is now about as important to music as hemorrhoids.
Don't overlook the impact bands like Jane's Addiction, Sonic Youth, Nine Inch Nails, etc had in changing rock music. They were already gaining a nationwide following by the time these 4 bands showed up on the radar.
time and time again.. i'll catch Tom Morello show on siriusxm and other dudes come out and say that working a Janes addiction gig really opened up their minds to what the next generation of music was going to be like.
Almost all of those bands were extremely underground prior to grunge being played on the radio. 90% of the average music buyers had any clue who SonicYouth or Dinosaur Jr was. Hence their steep increase in fans after grunge breaking the scene and the same steep decrease after. Youd see kids wearing sonic youth shirts and really knowing nothing of the band just like when you see The Ramones shirts on teenage girls now.. "Oh they are a band? I thought they were a clothing company."
Basically it was like THIS - the music scene of the 80's (not only the Metal genre, but in general) had, by and large, been all style but no substance. And the grunge groups were the very flipside of THAT - THEY were no style and all substance. THAT, I think, sums it up very aptly.
I imagine the next wave of rap music will bring into mainstream hip hop what grunge brought into mainstream rock, which is to say it'll be cathartic and depressing as shit. Mumble rap is very hair metal, minus the musical skill of many glam metal musicians. It's extremely materialistic, shallow as it can possibly be, and very much focused on being as shocking as possible, usually visually. It also all sounds the same. The way to bury that is to the opposite. And like how grunge was the last era of rock domination, I expect whatever rap genre that emerges next will raps final era of domination. What will follow that, no one knows. It'll probably be no one dominating genre of music, but rather the best in every genre will float to the top.
agree with you-they are still a good band-sceptics listen to "phantom limb" and tell me that's not a good jam. more interesting than PJ are these days.
Pearl jam hasn't had a hit in ages. Neither has Alice in chains. Anyone gets a Grammy. Some bands are very well known, but never had a hit or a classic song.
Nirvana was good but in my opinion Alice In Chains where constantly good. I feel like they get looked over more than they should. I can easily listen to all of their albums all the way through.
Alice In Chains are still going strong with William DuVall. He's not Layne Staley but he is an excellent replacement, and the band are still writing great music.
Was going to make the same comment. Pearl Jam has had just as much personnel turnover as Alice in Chains, but still gets counted as the same band for some reason.
Well, he is no replacement. He is a new addition. Jerry once stated this. They just reinvented themselves anew with some old elements. The old era is just through. That's all. And just to mention it. The biggest thing about it was the fact, that they could reinvent themselves and be successful with it. Not alot bands can say this about themselves.
Jesus... Nirvana was the most punk group out of them all. Soundgarden is a perfect mix of punk and blues. Alice In Chains has a lot of blues in their sound.
@@Endo-uu8mo I don't hate Alice in Chains but Alice in Chains has the most toxic and b^tthurt fans in all of Grunge bands out there maybe that's becuase Alice in Chains has Metal in them while bands like Nirvana was very pop, punk rock.
@@arnoldstallonereeves7469 ahh Alice in Chains is the only one from that so called scene hehe,they deserved the credits,they was really talented and makes great music,the rest is 🤢
Hair metal was just boybands with electric guitars for chicks. They had a target audience, they literally fucked alot of their fans. It was what it was.
There is always some pivital moment, isn't there? For me it was hearing AC/DC for the first time, when I rented Maximum Overdrive. From there into Metallica and Iron Maiden, and outward and onward. Totally blew the doors off the hinges for my appreciation of heavier music and 30+ years on, I'm still listening to it.
I can’t think of a single reason as to why Nine Inch Nails is mentioned as a Grunge band. They were never grunge, wtf??? Hahaha. Trent was never grunge, he was always goth/metal/industrial.
@Chuck Buskee absolutely. I don't think it can be overstated the extent to which NIN "mainstreamed" industrial music. (TBH I cringe a little at calling NIN "industrial" I feel like I'm low-key insulting Ogre in doing so) lol
@@TheBryanScout really the other way around. NIN was very very late to the Industrial rock scene. Ministry, Skinny Puppy, Front 242, Revolting Cocks and KMFDM to name a few of the big ones/ You'll find influences from all of them all through Reznor's work and all pre-date NIN by many many years. NIN is nowhere near the base of the Industrial Rock family tree though he has, obviously, influenced countless artists himself. Don't take this as a knock on Trent. I'm a huge fan and have been since the day Pretty Hate Machine was released. If you didn't know, "Head Like A Hole" was a near INSTANT mainstream MTV hit. All those earlier bands, if they were on MTV at all, were only on during the show "120 Minutes" (along side Bauhaus and other goth-y/industrial-ish stuff) So NIN was the first truly *mainstream* industrial-rock band. But those other bands were *huge* and had been for a decade before NIN came along.
This was like a girl just randomly read parts on Wikipedia. It started out connecting hair bands with Sex Pistols. Then it completely jumped over bands like Sonic Youth, The Cure, Killing Joke etc etc.. the post punk scene that was highly responsible for the grunge era. Grunge was post punk with 70s heavy metal and southern rock. It wasn't really anything new but a combination of several genres put into one. If you are going to learn the rock history right, don't listen to Loudwires tabloid crap explanation of what happened. The change started in 1987 when Guns n Roses released Appetite for Destruction. Even tho it failed to sell the first year many musicians playing in glam metal bands loved it and abandoned the glam style and started playing raw rock, punk and classic rock. Guns revived the whole genre of hard rock so musicians who liked post punk and heavy metal started to form bands, creating the underground grunge scene. Aerosmith had a hit with Run DMC and released Permanent Vacation and bands started to get into funky rock, like Living Color, RHCP, Faith No More etc.. The 70s fashion style was huge already in 1988. Lenny Kravitz had a big success with his 70s styled debut album in 88. Black Crowes blew up in 89. So by the time Nirvana came most musicians were into other genres than glam metal and the only one's who believed in hair bands and glam metal was the record industry. They just tried to squeeze most out of the artists they had contracts with. The saying that Nirvana and grunge killed glam metal is basically wrong. Glam metal, with the industry pushing out ridiculous hair bands in the late 80s killed glam metal and people just moved on. It was the beginning of the end of the music industry as so many in it were bloated cocaine addicts that had lost their grasp on what was going on in the real world. Giving Kurt Cobain credit for ending glam metal is just bullshit. He even said it himself.
I still don't think Janes Addiction gets enough credit. Their sound was 90s in 1986. They are not credited enough today for getting the early 90s alternative music scene exposed. Plus their fucking an amazing band. One best live bands ever. That was a major diff fr early-mid 90s bands and most bands fr. (65-85.) Early-mid 90s bands were easily at their best live, meaning sound. All best Iive bands are fr early-mid 90s. Now The Doors, Beach Boys, The Who, CSNY were great live bands it sounds like. Grunge? I've alway hated that pipigeonhole of a word. I know Mark Arm of Mudhoney coined it in 1987 and it was cool word at first.... But after Nirvana broke, alot of Baby Boomer rock crtics got a hold that word in late 1991? They used that word to try to pigeonhole that time in music because they were threatened by how good it was... Why? Cuz even if you didnt like the loud music? The sound, vibrance, energy,orginality and freshness of it was undeniable. 90s sound fr Northwest? Wasn't as simply created as you put it. Cuz if it was? If we heard this EXACTLY before? Wouldn't been such a big deal or music revolution in early 92. This was new, vibrant, fresh and clearly timeless. Cuz here we are 30 years later still dissecting it. I love Sonic Youth, The Cure, New Order. But The Replacements, Pixies, Husker Du and REM were more closer to "early90s sound" in early80s than any1 else. Then Janes Addiction literally took everything fr 1965-1985 they heard. Put it all in a blender, mixed it, poured it out and it was "Coming Down The Mountain! !!!!!!!" (Sonic Youth was just way ahead their time. They were 90s 7 years b4 the90s. It why they took Nirvana out with them b4 Nirvana was even famous yet.) But as much as I love Sonic Youth, they can get old after while. AIC, SGarden, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Smashing Pumpkins, Tool, RATM, Janes Addiction, ect ect ect? Never get old. A band I just love fr late 80s? A band called Ride. Shoe gazing sound.
So many words just to kiss Guns 'N Roses' asses. One of the most generic hair metal bands of the 80s, all style and no substance. Believing they had any influence on the resurgence of punk rock and underground raw music acts, with their already dated sound with which they somehow broke to mainstream, is itself pure bs. I mean, it's fine if you like their music, what's not is calling the grunge scene derivative and immediately afterwards calling GNR patron saints of innovation and forward thinking.
Well for 4 years I was on a sold out hair metal band cruise (monsters of rock) which is still going strong. And since many of these bands still tour..I think metal will still be around for a while.
Very true, thrash had started to dislodge "hair metal" before grunge. And for the record, I like grunge, hair metal, thrash metal, and "classic" metal all in different ways.
LedZep's X Exactly!! Just look at the most recent genre to dissappear in the Mainstream. Dubstep! From 2010-2015 it was everywhere from commercials to video games.... and now, people barely even remember it existed at all.
"...gave up on being virtuoso guitarists." *cough* Jerry Cantrell *cough* Kim Thayil *cough* Mike McCready *cough* They definitely didn't make alot of guitar solos and complex guitar parts into their songs all along their carreer...*cough*
The 90s never died. Teenagers still walk around in malls wearing a Nirvana hoodie with the hoodie up like the grim reaper. Like their dad and grandpa did.
Great Now, I'll be waiting for the video called: "How (insert a new rock genre here) ended trap or electic pop" idc if it takes more than a decade, i'll be waiting for it.
Just bring back rock? Good luck with that. The majority of mainstream rock in the 2010s and in the early 2020s is much more about using computer software mixing then it is about actually playing the guitar and drums, etc and using your natural voice.
Hell yeah, brother. It ain't about a genre or some title. It's about that feeling music gives me, gives you and everyone else in the world. I miss real music though so bad. I'd love if Pantera was still playing. It's a absolute shame we lost dimebag and Vinny.
Hair metal was at the end of its own road and had already become a parody of itself. Grunge came along at just the right time and replaced it. I wouldn't say grunge ended hair metal, which was fizzling out on its own already. The introspection and humanity, as well as vulnerability of grunge's musical themes had never been seen before and was a welcome breath of fresh air. It was the 90s and there was a great malaise at the time, a lot of questioning - the millennium was coming to an end and there was a concern that nothing of worth was being done and that it was all a rehash of the 70s. The 90s did not realise how unique and influential they were. Now they are thought of as a "golden era" of great music and style, whereas the nineties themselves thought of the 60s and 70s as great era that could not be replicated.
What was left out of this video was on how Alice In Chains eventually carried on with new lead singer William Duvall and with their current albums from 2009, 2013, and 2018.
1994 is still the best year of my life. The music, the attitude, and everything that was going on at that time. Still, I don't think Grunge alone ended "Hair Metal". I think it was a combination of grunge, every band sounding the same, and record companies forcing new bands to follow the same formula of releasing a hard rock song and then a power ballad.
Grunge definitely killed "hair shit hard rock" . People where TIRED of all the falseness , the brainless scapism , the lack of any honesty to their music , it was all about imagery and being a jerk . I still HATE most of what people call "hair metal" and this shitty style never had a REAL rebirth in any time in history after Grunge killed it .
The record companies were the ones, who killed hair metal by over flowing the market with one band after another, that sounded and looked exactly the same. If they´d had just a little bit of restraint, the two genres could have thrived side by side. It´s not true however, that hair metal just died from day to day. Def Leppard and Bon Jovi for instance, had several hits throughout the 90´s, without changing a whole lot. Pantera had changed a few albums earlier, but were a former hair metal band as well.
Phrankster163 Hey!!! I love a lot of those bands that look and sound the same. I’ll take WildSide, Nelson, Pretty Boy Floyd, Trixter, Firehouse and Junkyard over any grunge band anyday
@@andysixxlett2632 No one says we can´t have different tastes. Old music is often related to memories and it´s that´s what you listened to with your friends, that´s probably why you like it so much.
Blame it on Mutt Lange and Def Leppard. He turned them into a cheesy chick metal band after Pyromania. They used to rock then..."pour some sugar on me????" Really? But it made them money and brought the girls to the shows. Sold Out. Everyone after that tried to copy them. Instead of Iron Maiden,,,,rock was now Bret Michaels and three dudes in drag on Look What the CAt Dragged In.
@@etmeyutub Sadly true. At least there were some great albums from bands like Maiden, Metallica and Slayer to take your mind off it. The great bands were there, they just weren´t being heard by the masses, much like it still is today and has for the most part been since rock was born in the 50´s. Back then, most radio stations were only allowed to play the "White Cover Versions" of songs,, that were pale imitations (no pun intended) to the real versions, that were done by artists like Bo Diddley and Little Richard, who were much more exciting both to look at and listen to than their white counterparts like Paul Anka, who got rich off re-recording their songs. The 60´s and 70´s saw the masses being spoon fed bubblegum pop, while some of the greatest bands of all time broke up, because they couldn´t make it in the tough competition among bands and artist at that time. Even the few of the truly great rock bands who did make it to the top, usually got screwed over in the end anyway! What happened with glam metal in the 80´s to me anyway, started long before Def Leppard were even a band, in 1972 when David Bowie came out with a little album called "The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders From Mars", but that´s just my opinion. I´m sure there´s hundreds of different opinions on when it began.
joker here I feel like Guns N’ Roses are totally different than any of those bands at that time. Like I don’t think they are a hair band at all but I also don’t think they are metal at all. I would just consider them hard rock. I think they were just kinda all over the place with it all in a totally good way!
@@savannahrivers7736 Guns n roses are a cross between motley crue and aerosmith. a business of 22 musicians closed in 6 albums with 14 covers. a million-dollar sponsored record project that has nothing to do with a rock band
As an 80's kid who was a teen in the 90's, it was possible to be both into glam metal and grunge. And honestly... I listen to way more glam metal now in 2022 than I do anything grunge.
Dee Snyder: "The entire aesthetic of the Seattle groups was the rebellion of everything hair metal had come to be. That was a complete dissociation of everything about the era: the look, the hair, the sound, the performing style. You've got Eddie Vedder facing the back of the stage not looking at the audience, doing the complete wholesale rejection"
These days they hair metal and grunge might as well be in the same bracket since it's now all in the past. If Dave Grohl can play on stage with GnR (and/or vice versa).. then it's time to move on from this topic that seems more and more irrelevant as time goes by. Who still gives a fuck anymore except "journalist" who don't know shit and have nothing else to write about. Anyone who are still angry and bitter about grunge becoming popular after hair metal need to grow the fuck up and live and let die.
*The Change* started in 1987, primarily with four bands: Guns N Roses, Grateful Dead, REM, and U2. But there were also the Madchester groups, a burgeoning psychedlic-folk-pop, dance music became trippier, Hip Hop went through a socially conscious phases... by 1988 it was obvious _something_ was happening. Nirvana was the final nail in the 80s Hair-Metal coffin, but it had started a few years before, and did not come as a total surprise... to me, at least.
interesting comment. Some associate guns with 80s hair metal, but they were far better and much more raw rock. And they still remained huge in the early 90´s with use your ilusion being released pretty much at the same time grunge exploded, and still having many hits during that time.
Denis Guns n Roses drew heavily from Rolling Stones, Aerosmith and Nazareth.... Tom Zutaut even said he thought it was a parody of Rolling Stones when he first heard them
@@durrrrl3435 oh yeah, hair metal was still going, but it hit a ceiling, I guess, I still like faster Pussycat/ skid row/ salty dog/. Love / hate / L.A. guns, but I wouldn't wear a Bang Tango shirt to a death metal show....
I used to be big into grunge in my teen years, because that's all the local 'rock' radio played. Then I discovered Dio, Maiden, and Megadeth! Never looked back things only got better.
How do you listen to a band like megadeath which has incompetent and cringe sounding vocals? It’s not even that rock and roll it’s more of a jazz sensibility. And maiden were all old men by the mid nineties, hardly a new hip band, wasn’t the original lead singer gone by that point
I’m the same in the mid 2000s when I was like 7 or 8 I listened to fall out boy and bands like that then in my teens. I discovered KoRn, megadeth, Metallica, Judas Priest, testament, slipknot, Drowning pool, Dio.
@@tylurmackinnon6217 Megadeth is popular for a reason, dingus. And writing off a band because they're no longer "new and hip" is stupid. Your comment is dumb.
In my opinion Alice in Chains was the best of the grunge era. They seemed to have a sound that was totally unique to them between Layne staleys voice and jerry cantrell guitar riffs and writing I think they definitely were the best of the bunch.
I feel like GNR was the first group that started getting people out of that poofy hair makeup era and more toward normal people playing music. Plus I feel like Axl started the flannel trend.
What’s wrong with writing lyrics that are about real problems? All the shit in the 80’s was full of lyrics about sex and partying. Sometimes it’s good to have honesty in lyrics, even they come from a dark place. People can relate to that.
Grunge had it's time, and some songs were really good from a musical perspective, but damn if it wasn't depressing. Having been a teenager listening to hair bands in the '80s I wasn't ready to give up the fun party music, and jump on the suicidal bandwagon. So at 21 I got in to the night club scene instead. At least club music at the time was still fun.
I was thinking the same thing. At least she said gunshot wound. I was gonna thumbs down this if it went that way for that very second. But then there s Cornell sadly. Ahhhh man layne kurt and chris matter so much still and always
Umm, he wrote a song called "I hate myself and I want to die... And then he blasted himself. BTW , he was a depressed heroin addict. Where's the mystery?
@@jonnobarry4438 cause people cant get over... But cmon, a depressed addict that everyone except his fans see as a whining loser was bound to do that... Same with chester bennington. (I like both, just to clarify)
Jonno Barry Junkies are easy to kill because common people such as yourself don’t question it. Why don’t you go read his “suicide letter” and watch all the documentaries. Also read through the private investigation/police reports and then give your expert opinion. Not saying that I’m an expert but the entire case is dodgy and doesn’t add up. It was not a clear cut suicide.
Not to mention that a lot of the thrash bands formed in the 80’s broke through in the 90’s. Hair metal had began turning into a lot of power ballads, and the fans wanted heavier music. That’s why hair metal ended with grunge and thrash’s emergence: the guitar was king again and the age of synths was dead (at least for the moment then)
5:23, Pearl Jam the only group still carrying the torch? Does Loudwire not know about Alice In Chains with William DuVall? Three phenomenal albums have been released and AIC is still carrying the torch, they have always been my favorite Seattle band. Pearl Jam never came close IMO, Ten was great and to me Vs. was decent.
Jake Terch well that still isn’t the same because layne Staley is dead and though they’re making new albums this other dude is still singing some other guys songs about addiction and depression
@@spacecowb0y717 Grunge is not a genre and they were always a heavy metal band, even with Staley. There is nothing about them that speaks angst, they have practically zero punk influences I just can't fathom why they are even remotely considered grunge other than the fact that they talked about drugs and addiction and music was dark and their vocalist essentially committed suicide(due to his addiction)
@@anakinskywalker9255 doesn't take away from the fact that they are still killer. As much as I love Layne and miss him, people tend to forget how important Jerry is to AIC and to me the essence is still there.
Basically it was like THIS - the music scene of the 80's (not only the Metal genre, but in general) had, by and large, been all style but no substance. And the grunge groups were the very flipside of THAT - THEY were no style and all substance. THAT, I think, sums it up very aptly.
It killed the poser one hit wonder hair bands, the greats, Crue, Priest, Ozzy, Tallica, Maiden, Halen, Def Lep etc all lasted longer than most grunge bands did. Proof to all the world, METAL RULES THE LAND!
Grunge made me think metal was over. But searching I found almost underground metal: Gammaray, Helloween, Symphony X, Nocturnal Rites, Labyrinth, Manowar, Fates Warning, Vision Divine, Mob Rules, Jag Panzer, Lordian Guard, etc... I never looked back at grunge. Thanks!
You don't know this. But there were local unsigned hair bands in Hollywood during the 90s that had the goods. But the music industry ignored them then, and the people ignore them now on RUclips.
Grunge did NOT end 80s Hard Rock/Hair Metal. That style of music was already transitioning into 90s rock by the early 90s ( Listen to Motley Crue's Primal Scream from 1991, listen to Alice in Chains first album, or listen to bands like Saigon Kick or Every Mothers Nightmare) Hard Rock lost its popularity due to the rise of Hip Hop and Techno in the early 90s and pushed out of the mainstream in the USA.
Not taking away from the 90's but the 80's will forever rule my music taste. In my opinion the grunge stuff is nowhere near as musically good as the late 70's and 80's stuff. Edit: And I wasnt even around during that time.
As someone who was born in the early 2000's and as such, wasn't around for either hair metal or grunge when they were at their zenith, I would much rather see the return of hair metal. I would much rather have music about hot girls, cars, and having a good time than about being depressed and how the world sucks. Especially considering how much the world does suck right now.
We probably won’t see it, except in the underground. Rock music in general costs a lot of money to produce and it takes a certain commitment that modern musicians don’t seem to have. It’s just different times
Nick Wick With new hair metal bands like CrashDiet, Santa Cruz, Black Veil Brides, Toxic Rose, Salem’s Lott, Crazy Lixx and Steel Panther, Id say the future is in good hands
@@andysixxlett2632 Never heard of any of them only knows BVB is a pop punk/hard rock band, yeah the fact that nobody knows them shows the genre has not gone anywhere
Wait! What? No mention of Mudhoney as the progenitor? Superfuzz Bigmuff was released in '88 and had some incredibly popular tracks here in the UK long before any of the other bands mentioned had commercial success.
...but all the so called big 4 grunge bands (AIC, Soundgarden, Nirvana, PJ) sound so different. Grunge was a marketing operation, not really a style of music imo. Imagine if the term "grunge" doesn't exist...would you really put all these bands in the same subgenre? I wouldn't. Both AIC and Soungarden have some metal elements too (musically speaking ofc). PJ not at all, totally different.
@@knowyourroleboulevard7119 "The Breaks" came out in 1980. "The Message" came out in 1982. Run DMC put out "It's Like That" in 1983. Rap got popular way before '87.
@@atheathorium i know DMC started in the early 80s, but hip hop felt to people in that time edm was like on yt before blowing up. It was there but easily avoidable. 1986 was the start of the golden age era of hip hop where things were getting taken to a different direction with more recognition then indy level of popularity. But it got popular despite having that right mainstream success boom. Which wasn't seen till like 1993.
Djent Metal is also the only mainstream Metal genre it's the Mumble Rap of Metal instead of repetitive mumbling it's repetitive riffs the have more open E zero's than Slayer. Thanks to Jared dines who has a very punchable face is making djent even more popular with kids that buy $200 dollar 7 string Ibanez and ESP LTD djent sticks. I'm a big fan of Thrash I'm glad Thrash is revived from the Dead in the underground Havok is carrying the torch that Megadeth left after selling out.
I do not agree with many of the comments made here. Hair Metal wasn't bad music and in fact bands like Guns N Roses, Skid Row and Motley Crue weren't wearing much makeup and were sounding heavier than others like Poison or Ratt. Grunge didn't just kill Hair Metal ... grunge killed Rock. After grunge, no new Rock or Hard Rock bands emerged on a massive scale. I admit, I used to listen to a lot of grunge, but you have to tell it like it is. Or maybe it wasn't grunge, maybe it was the corporatism of the 90s. Anyway, grunge took a hit that Rock can't repair to this day.
To say that grunge was rock music’s last hooray is omitting how massive Oasis was from 1995-1998. Can definitely tell that the creator of this video wasn’t alive in the 1990’s with some of their comments and timelines.
I can't tell whether it was hipster false modesty or that they really didn't enjoy the attention, but I think the rejection of fame was a defining and appealing trait of this scene. People were fascinated by seeing humble, introverted rock stars for the first time. They didn't seem to change just for the interview.
bands like 80s metal still thrive in europe, hugely popular (as it always was) metal (and punk) were only hugely popular in america for a while and then it died down to just hardcore fans. and there's tons of great newer bands, problem is record companies won't touch them, you have to find them on places like youtube
I think that hair metal or glam or whatever it has been called, will always have a fan base. It will always be listened but not as it was back in the 80s. Every era has it's own music and it's natural that new generations are coming and have different taste in music than previous. But many songs from that era (80s, and beginning of the 90s) are still being listened and will be evergreen like Elvis, Rolling stones, The Beatles... Simply this kind of music will never die. That also can be said about grunge music. Alice in chains still has good songs but isn't as nearly popular as it was with Layne Staley. What is the most important thing that songs will survive. 🙂
You know the funniest thing I was thinking about was that while Hair metal pretty much was killed by grunge back then, nowadays the hair metal bands aged better. Something with grunge was that most rockers were associated with depression, hence that new sound. A lot of grunge bands had members committing suicide. We know the problem of drugs with grunge was a lot higher. Probably why they get a bad rep. I think in some more years grunge will fade away. Hell I grew out of it because I could not resonate with the depressing sound anymore. But that's just my opinion though.
I was in a hotel in DC on a school trip when I found out Kurt was dead. Chris h had clogged the toilet and we were soaking up water with towels when it came on the news. Crappy day...
Kurt didnt kill himself. he faked his death cuz he hated his own music. so he changed his identity and he became the lead singer of weezer. The music industry is full of deception. milli vanilli with their fake singers and eminem dying and being replaced by a goofy looking lookalike. Katy perry is jon benet ramsey. admits it in her book. Google mtv canada and look at the pic its on top of a masonic lodge. Freemasonry and devil worship runs the inndustry and their favorite thing is deception. truth is stranger than fiction
Love both 80’s and 90’s from new wave to gothic to punk rock to heavy metal then hair then grunge and alternative,all the while loving rock n roll, today I’m still evolving my music taste, as long as it’s rock.
@@ttllymxico of course they were also known as NEW WAVE before they were Alternative late 70's early 80's...punk rock been around since 60's but I wasn't born yet
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Kurt: dead
Chris Cornell: dead
Lane Staley: dead
Eddie vedder from Pearl jam: "WOOOAAHHH IM STILL ALIVE"
😂
Fuck you.
@@JVenger Fuk yu
Fuck all y'all 😂😂😂
@Ari Awan 😂😂😂
At least they didn't spend the whole video on Nirvana and actually acknowledge Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, and Soundgarden.
The pixies influenced Nirvana ( Kurt)
@@sussychachi How is this related to his comment?
They missed the most important band STP
@@bobguffaws2901 STP was more acknowledged as a "copy cat" grunge band initially. They sounded like PJ, so people actually didn't like them at the very start because it felt they were just riding off of what the other 4 bands had been doing. Now obviously, STP is much more than that, but that was evident at the time. So if we are talking about most important grunge bands (associating grunge with that time period) it would be inaccurate to label STP as "the most important". They were important that's for sure. The most though?
@@rooster1038 well the pixies have a little grunge style Into their music. Some similar styles relate them to this video since this video is about grunge rock.
Jar of Flies is amazing.
agreed but facelift is a masterpiece
steve donahue Alice In Chains itself is a masterpiece.
@@bcepni00…...ok
@@stevedonahue7956 one word... tripod
@@ClickClan100 I love tripod but facelift is better track by track when you really get down to it.....both are very different tho so I can see why some people would prefer it over facelift
But WHAT killed Grunge!!?
Answer: Heroin
Emo rap
Drugs!
Lol true
grunge sucks that's why it died
FIGHTFANNERD9 KPOP is Trash & Twice is the worst Grunge is 1000x better than most other forms of music and it’s definitely better than rap
"Pearl Jam are the only band still carrying the torch"? Maybe I imagined seeing Alice in Chains playing an arena show last month then?
Chris Wills i don’t consider it alice in chains anymore. no more mike starr or layne.
Haven't listened to a Pearl Jam album in YEARS...AIC? still great product
It's not Alice in Chains without Layne
No such thing as 'AIC' anymore. It's like Zeppelin existing without Robert Plant.
@@justincox7955 harmonics and main guy is still alive but yea layne was unique
Everyone forgets... Metallica, Pantera, Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax, even Iron Maiden had their most successful platinum/gold albums in the 90s (and late 80s). It was a thirst for heaviness and Hair Metal wasn't delivering. Nirvana did for a bit but died too soon. Metal golden age was 1985 to 1994, then radio/corporations ruined it with their risk-averse, radio-friendly obsessions. Musical golden ages are created by risk-taking, but corporations will lower risks. Also why superhero movies are ruining hollywood (reboots/comics are easy to sell, risk-averse, coward executives). FIGHT BACK: attack cowardice in art, reward bravery, creativity & skill in art.
True, GNR was successful until they broke up. Good music always win.
@@GodsOfWar666 Guns n Roses was good until Use Your Illusion ll
Not to mention that the late 80's into the 90's was a HUGE year for the death metal scene as well
EXACTLY! Metallica's "Black album" came out in the same year as "Nevermind" and actually outsold it. Everyone forgets about that. Or how about Alternative Metal which came out at the same time? The same argument could be made for Pantera, Faith No More, and Tool ending "hair metal". "Epic" came out a year before "Smells Like Teen Spirit" and it was as far from hair metal as you can get.
@@rumrunner8019
How about living colour in 1988.
Hair Metal committed suicide by inventing the Power Ballad. MTV then played nothing but Power Ballads and a rebellion grew out of those of us wanting something hard, heavy, and solid. MTV then made Grunge popular by making Nirvana their new puppets and showing them every six minutes. Luckily MTV fell victim to it's own greed and is now about as important to music as hemorrhoids.
You nailed it!
Ashley 0-Negative Thanks!
Doug Bennett Thanks!
Ricochet, you really did your homework on this topic.
It was way more complicated....
Don't overlook the impact bands like Jane's Addiction, Sonic Youth, Nine Inch Nails, etc had in changing rock music. They were already gaining a nationwide following by the time these 4 bands showed up on the radar.
nine inch nails is stupid underrated, it must only be appreciated by a smaller audience
time and time again.. i'll catch Tom Morello show on siriusxm and other dudes come out and say that working a Janes addiction gig really opened up their minds to what the next generation of music was going to be like.
Almost all of those bands were extremely underground prior to grunge being played on the radio. 90% of the average music buyers had any clue who SonicYouth or Dinosaur Jr was. Hence their steep increase in fans after grunge breaking the scene and the same steep decrease after. Youd see kids wearing sonic youth shirts and really knowing nothing of the band just like when you see The Ramones shirts on teenage girls now..
"Oh they are a band? I thought they were a clothing company."
Basically it was like THIS - the music scene of the 80's (not only the Metal genre, but in general) had, by and large, been all style but no substance. And the grunge groups were the very flipside of THAT - THEY were no style and all substance. THAT, I think, sums it up very aptly.
Nine inch nails is not grunge instead it should be stone temple pilots
And it was a great time to be a teenager.
These bands (especially AIC) were the soundtrack of my life in the 90's
Damn right
90's were amazing in Europe but in USA it was pure gold. I envy u.
Same! 🤘🤘🤘
Hmmm
Im starting to think, how can i destroy mumble rap
Clear, well spoken rap...
Fuck mumble rap
Lyrical rap is the new meta
It’ll destroy itself soon enough, give it time.
Just get a good metal album in the charts
I imagine the next wave of rap music will bring into mainstream hip hop what grunge brought into mainstream rock, which is to say it'll be cathartic and depressing as shit. Mumble rap is very hair metal, minus the musical skill of many glam metal musicians. It's extremely materialistic, shallow as it can possibly be, and very much focused on being as shocking as possible, usually visually. It also all sounds the same. The way to bury that is to the opposite.
And like how grunge was the last era of rock domination, I expect whatever rap genre that emerges next will raps final era of domination. What will follow that, no one knows. It'll probably be no one dominating genre of music, but rather the best in every genre will float to the top.
These 4 grunge frontmen were absolutely beautiful, and I say this as a straight guy. It's just an objective fact though...
I agree, as a woman!
They all look like junkies.
Crazy how such amazing bands could be all coming out at the same time. Ten, nevermind , dirt , badmotorfinger. All amazing
Marcelo Felices And Core (1992).
Nevermind and Blood sugar sex magik came out on the exact same day
🤮🤮🤮🤮
Nirvana spoke to a generation like never before. That's why they're so influential.
killercaos123 they sang about more than getting their ding dong sucked and having nothing but. A good time
True. But Alice in chains are better.
A loser generation that got bj:s from big corp.
why did nirvana steal songs?
ew 90’s....
“Pearl Jam are the only grunge band still carrying the torch”
Um, Alice In Chains still exist and were Grammy nominated this year...
Nope now it's just a band who called themselves Alice In Chains.
agree with you-they are still a good band-sceptics listen to "phantom limb" and tell me that's not a good jam. more interesting than PJ are these days.
Mudhoney
Pearl jam hasn't had a hit in ages. Neither has Alice in chains. Anyone gets a Grammy. Some bands are very well known, but never had a hit or a classic song.
*Jerry Cantrell featuring Alice In Chains
Metallica was already playing on stadiums in the late 80s btw
Not Grunge though.
Metallica never was grunge
Their were Thrash Metal during 80's
Metallica was thrash until their 5th album and never came back
@@edwardlayer4259 not the point of the comment tho
Nirvana was good but in my opinion Alice In Chains where constantly good. I feel like they get looked over more than they should. I can easily listen to all of their albums all the way through.
Alice in chains were and still are overlooked. Layne and Jerry were arguably the greatest vocal duo of all time!
Layne Staley’s underrated
True
Alice in general is underrated
@@silmarillion666 people tend to think like: Grunge>Nirvana
True. In my opinion, he’s one of the best singers/songwriters that ever lived.
Sure Layne Staley is underrated, but let's not forget about Jerry Cantrell
Alice In Chains are still going strong with William DuVall. He's not Layne Staley but he is an excellent replacement, and the band are still writing great music.
Nothing compared to Layne.
Was going to make the same comment. Pearl Jam has had just as much personnel turnover as Alice in Chains, but still gets counted as the same band for some reason.
Except they're not really grunge anymore, they've gone full-blown sludge/doom metal.
@@olliegoria Grunge was never a music style though. AIC was always a metal band.
Well, he is no replacement. He is a new addition. Jerry once stated this. They just reinvented themselves anew with some old elements. The old era is just through. That's all. And just to mention it. The biggest thing about it was the fact, that they could reinvent themselves and be successful with it. Not alot bands can say this about themselves.
I used to listen to 90s alternative rock more than 80s hair metal, now it's the other way around
Jesus... Nirvana was the most punk group out of them all. Soundgarden is a perfect mix of punk and blues. Alice In Chains has a lot of blues in their sound.
Alice was the only good one
@Starchaser nahh only Alice the rest sucks while grunge sucks🤮👌😁
@Starchaser ok those 2 you named are good ones and yes no grunge more like a rock band in the 90s i love SMashing pumplkins
@@Endo-uu8mo I don't hate Alice in Chains but Alice in Chains has the most toxic and b^tthurt fans in all of Grunge bands out there maybe that's becuase Alice in Chains has Metal in them while bands like Nirvana was very pop, punk rock.
@@arnoldstallonereeves7469 ahh Alice in Chains is the only one from that so called scene hehe,they deserved the credits,they was really talented and makes great music,the rest is 🤢
Grunge, the rise of Metallica And Pantera, and hair metals own arrogance killed it.
Hair metal was just boybands with electric guitars for chicks. They had a target audience, they literally fucked alot of their fans. It was what it was.
80s was shit. Said by someone who love and still listen 60s 70s 90s
@Lanzy Fabian Megadeth*
Every hairband trying to write a ballad is what killed it. No talent , spandex wearing losers
Metallica was around way before most of the Glam Bands, they were a thrash band for years, that went commercial for their fourth album.
Alice In Chains changed my life. My first metal gig ever, AIC in a small rock club in ˋ92 I think it was. Forever grateful for them.
There is always some pivital moment, isn't there? For me it was hearing AC/DC for the first time, when I rented Maximum Overdrive. From there into Metallica and Iron Maiden, and outward and onward. Totally blew the doors off the hinges for my appreciation of heavier music and 30+ years on, I'm still listening to it.
Sterling Crockett now I’m gonna have to rent maximum overdrive again! I don’t remember the music but I’ll pay attention now!
I can’t think of a single reason as to why Nine Inch Nails is mentioned as a Grunge band. They were never grunge, wtf??? Hahaha. Trent was never grunge, he was always goth/metal/industrial.
I guess you could say that his attitude and approach to both sound and lyrics was kind of grunge
They weren't mentioned as grunge. They were mentioned as CONTEMPORARIES.
@Chuck Buskee absolutely. I don't think it can be overstated the extent to which NIN "mainstreamed" industrial music. (TBH I cringe a little at calling NIN "industrial" I feel like I'm low-key insulting Ogre in doing so) lol
They weren’t; they were mentioned as an alt rock band popular in the 90s. NIN definitely had a huge impact on the Industrial Metal scene though.
@@TheBryanScout really the other way around. NIN was very very late to the Industrial rock scene. Ministry, Skinny Puppy, Front 242, Revolting Cocks and KMFDM to name a few of the big ones/ You'll find influences from all of them all through Reznor's work and all pre-date NIN by many many years. NIN is nowhere near the base of the Industrial Rock family tree though he has, obviously, influenced countless artists himself. Don't take this as a knock on Trent. I'm a huge fan and have been since the day Pretty Hate Machine was released. If you didn't know, "Head Like A Hole" was a near INSTANT mainstream MTV hit. All those earlier bands, if they were on MTV at all, were only on during the show "120 Minutes" (along side Bauhaus and other goth-y/industrial-ish stuff) So NIN was the first truly *mainstream* industrial-rock band. But those other bands were *huge* and had been for a decade before NIN came along.
This was like a girl just randomly read parts on Wikipedia. It started out connecting hair bands with Sex Pistols. Then it completely jumped over bands like Sonic Youth, The Cure, Killing Joke etc etc.. the post punk scene that was highly responsible for the grunge era. Grunge was post punk with 70s heavy metal and southern rock. It wasn't really anything new but a combination of several genres put into one. If you are going to learn the rock history right, don't listen to Loudwires tabloid crap explanation of what happened. The change started in 1987 when Guns n Roses released Appetite for Destruction. Even tho it failed to sell the first year many musicians playing in glam metal bands loved it and abandoned the glam style and started playing raw rock, punk and classic rock. Guns revived the whole genre of hard rock so musicians who liked post punk and heavy metal started to form bands, creating the underground grunge scene. Aerosmith had a hit with Run DMC and released Permanent Vacation and bands started to get into funky rock, like Living Color, RHCP, Faith No More etc.. The 70s fashion style was huge already in 1988. Lenny Kravitz had a big success with his 70s styled debut album in 88. Black Crowes blew up in 89. So by the time Nirvana came most musicians were into other genres than glam metal and the only one's who believed in hair bands and glam metal was the record industry. They just tried to squeeze most out of the artists they had contracts with. The saying that Nirvana and grunge killed glam metal is basically wrong. Glam metal, with the industry pushing out ridiculous hair bands in the late 80s killed glam metal and people just moved on. It was the beginning of the end of the music industry as so many in it were bloated cocaine addicts that had lost their grasp on what was going on in the real world. Giving Kurt Cobain credit for ending glam metal is just bullshit. He even said it himself.
80s alternative bands? Absolutely fabulous. Basically the 90s underground. But 90s bands did take it up a notch
ah finally, someone who has actually read modern music history
I still don't think Janes Addiction gets enough credit. Their sound was 90s in 1986. They are not credited enough today for getting the early 90s alternative music scene exposed. Plus their fucking an amazing band. One best live bands ever. That was a major diff fr early-mid 90s bands and most bands fr. (65-85.) Early-mid 90s bands were easily at their best live, meaning sound. All best Iive bands are fr early-mid 90s. Now The Doors, Beach Boys, The Who, CSNY were great live bands it sounds like. Grunge? I've alway hated that pipigeonhole of a word. I know Mark Arm of Mudhoney coined it in 1987 and it was cool word at first.... But after Nirvana broke, alot of Baby Boomer rock crtics got a hold that word in late 1991? They used that word to try to pigeonhole that time in music because they were threatened by how good it was... Why? Cuz even if you didnt like the loud music? The sound, vibrance, energy,orginality and freshness of it was undeniable. 90s sound fr Northwest? Wasn't as simply created as you put it. Cuz if it was? If we heard this EXACTLY before? Wouldn't been such a big deal or music revolution in early 92. This was new, vibrant, fresh and clearly timeless. Cuz here we are 30 years later still dissecting it. I love Sonic Youth, The Cure, New Order. But The Replacements, Pixies, Husker Du and REM were more closer to "early90s sound" in early80s than any1 else. Then Janes Addiction literally took everything fr 1965-1985 they heard. Put it all in a blender, mixed it, poured it out and it was "Coming Down The Mountain! !!!!!!!" (Sonic Youth was just way ahead their time. They were 90s 7 years b4 the90s. It why they took Nirvana out with them b4 Nirvana was even famous yet.) But as much as I love Sonic Youth, they can get old after while. AIC, SGarden, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Smashing Pumpkins, Tool, RATM, Janes Addiction, ect ect ect? Never get old.
A band I just love fr late 80s? A band called Ride. Shoe gazing sound.
So many words just to kiss Guns 'N Roses' asses. One of the most generic hair metal bands of the 80s, all style and no substance. Believing they had any influence on the resurgence of punk rock and underground raw music acts, with their already dated sound with which they somehow broke to mainstream, is itself pure bs. I mean, it's fine if you like their music, what's not is calling the grunge scene derivative and immediately afterwards calling GNR patron saints of innovation and forward thinking.
@@Mantinhas Dated? Yet they were just used as a soundtrack to a popular movie. 🤣😂 Shut the fuck up.
Alice In Chains is by far the best band... still kicking ass today with awesome albums!
Well for 4 years I was on a sold out hair metal band cruise (monsters of rock) which is still going strong. And since many of these bands still tour..I think metal will still be around for a while.
as a 50 yr old dude, I can honestly say: I listened to thrash during the grunge era. Slaytanic 'till the end
I enjoy thrash and grunge.
I did enjoy Nirvana for a bit but thrash in the 80s and 90s was everything in our tribe.
Very true, thrash had started to dislodge "hair metal" before grunge. And for the record, I like grunge, hair metal, thrash metal, and "classic" metal all in different ways.
Every genre (mostly subgenres) has an expiration in the mainstream. Hell, grunge didn't even last as long as Hair Metal lol
LedZep's X Exactly!! Just look at the most recent genre to dissappear in the Mainstream. Dubstep! From 2010-2015 it was everywhere from commercials to video games.... and now, people barely even remember it existed at all.
Well I feel like Grunge was never suppose to even be mainstream
Exactly
@Tom Ffrench naw it lasted when Kurt Cobain died
@Tom Ffrench nah it really did died in 1994. You can’t deny that. Then here comes hip hop and the Backstreet Boys.
Grunge: People became depressed, heroin became the drug and guys gave up on being virtuoso guitarists.
*The nineties can relate*
Yep, hair metal was on cocaine. Grunge was on heroin.
Joshua Warren Yeah Lol you’re both talking out of your asses. Heroin was just as prevalent if not more in the 80s thank the 90s. Dipshits
To quote Bart Simpson in the "Homerpalooza" episode, "Eh, making teenagers depressed is like shooting fish in a barrel."
"...gave up on being virtuoso guitarists."
*cough* Jerry Cantrell *cough* Kim Thayil *cough* Mike McCready *cough*
They definitely didn't make alot of guitar solos and complex guitar parts into their songs all along their carreer...*cough*
The 90s never died. Teenagers still walk around in malls wearing a Nirvana hoodie with the hoodie up like the grim reaper. Like their dad and grandpa did.
Great
Now, I'll be waiting for the video called:
"How (insert a new rock genre here) ended trap or electic pop"
idc if it takes more than a decade, i'll be waiting for it.
Liz xxd its gunna be a new form of rap (most likely got influences from rock) thats gunna take over rock is “dead”
Ok boomer
FuccYourFeelings 96 That makes me wanna puke... Old rock bands are the only way to keep rock good. Foo Fighters for example.
@@camacaron06 yeah but what happens when the old rock guys retire or break up?
激怒Sentirion Newer bands will take their place. There’s plenty of great bands to look forward that don’t exist yet
"Pearl Jam are the only one of the 4 groups who are still carrying the torch" .... Hey Loudwire, AIC is still killing it with new music!
William Duvall is a hugely underrated vocalist. He deserves more respect
She's clearly speaking in terms of original band members
If that's the case, then none of them are still carrying the torch.
Just bring the rock. Forget the genre, as long as it sounds good to you the dig in.
That’s exactly the point, forget the labels
louder
Just bring back rock? Good luck with that. The majority of mainstream rock in the 2010s and in the early 2020s is much more about using computer software mixing then it is about actually playing the guitar and drums, etc and using your natural voice.
As long as its not hair metal
Hell yeah, brother. It ain't about a genre or some title. It's about that feeling music gives me, gives you and everyone else in the world. I miss real music though so bad. I'd love if Pantera was still playing. It's a absolute shame we lost dimebag and Vinny.
Grunge didnt end hair metal.
Hair metal ended hair metal.
Correct
Exactly
Yep. It was totally self imposed.
True. Too much party and bullshit, less and less good music.
Yes and Bret screwed Bret
"Pearl Jam are the only one of the 4 groups who are still carrying the torch", seems that loudwire missed last year AiC Rainier Fog .
I see what you're saying, but they are correct in a sense. That "grunge Era" AIC died with Lane's death... However, today's AIC is in fact AMAZING!
@_Chainz _ ugh thanks, I knew it was wrong but spelling is my weak point.
No Layne no Alice In Chains!
Think they were thinking in the context of the big Seattle four with an original vocalist but yeah AiC still kills it.
Their new music isnt really the same. Though it is good its not what is used to be
Alice In Chains , in both incarnations have proven to be the best of these acts. 30 years of great 🎸
I just saw them recently for the first time and had goosebumps, I couldn't imagine seeing them in the 90s sadly I wasnt alive then
Jerry Cantrell is Alice in Chains. Got to see them live the past few years and they always deliver. Please keep making music.
@Ari Awan Kurt didn't think of Nirvana as Grunge either, just saw them as punk
Kyron Klain I agree-Not to take away from Layne’s contribution but I’ve always been a Jerry guy.
David Ellis hands down
Hair metal was at the end of its own road and had already become a parody of itself. Grunge came along at just the right time and replaced it. I wouldn't say grunge ended hair metal, which was fizzling out on its own already. The introspection and humanity, as well as vulnerability of grunge's musical themes had never been seen before and was a welcome breath of fresh air. It was the 90s and there was a great malaise at the time, a lot of questioning - the millennium was coming to an end and there was a concern that nothing of worth was being done and that it was all a rehash of the 70s. The 90s did not realise how unique and influential they were. Now they are thought of as a "golden era" of great music and style, whereas the nineties themselves thought of the 60s and 70s as great era that could not be replicated.
Agreed with this statement
The 90s WAS a rehash of the 70s!!
Instead of looking forward to the new millennium, we were nostalgic for the 70s.
What was left out of this video was on how Alice In Chains eventually carried on with new lead singer William Duvall and with their current albums from 2009, 2013, and 2018.
When you are disrespected as a grunge band but you don’t end up overdosing or committing suicide
*Laughs in Pearl Jam*
Pearl jam sucks
Pearl Jam slaps
huh? what the fuck is a pearl jam?
Good one
And Smashing Pumpkins, especially Siamese Dream.
Bands like Green River and Mudhoney paved the way for grunge and deserve more credit for the role they played.
Agree! There’s a lot of unspoken heros in its wake - Melvins, L7, Wipers, Umen etc etc
1994 is still the best year of my life. The music, the attitude, and everything that was going on at that time. Still, I don't think Grunge alone ended "Hair Metal". I think it was a combination of grunge, every band sounding the same, and record companies forcing new bands to follow the same formula of releasing a hard rock song and then a power ballad.
Grunge definitely killed "hair shit hard rock" . People where TIRED of all the falseness , the brainless scapism , the lack of any honesty to their music , it was all about imagery and being a jerk . I still HATE most of what people call "hair metal" and this shitty style never had a REAL rebirth in any time in history after Grunge killed it .
Grunge is almost like a metaly bluesy style of rock
More like depressive punk rock IMO
Basically bands like Alice in chains and Soundgarden were heavy metal. You can hear Black Sabbath influences in both of those bands.
Alice in chains' "DIRT" is my favorite.
absofuckinlutely
I love the dirt album, I just love how them bones is the first song
It’s my favorite too.
@@Beanmachine91 And I love how Would? is the last song of the album. Everything on that album is great.
@@toddpadgett6199 damn I love grunge, it's soothing
Why was Metallica’s Garage Inc brought up in this? That came out in 98 and has nothing to do with any of this.
Because they are idiots who really don't know what grunge is. Metallica never was grunge.
90’s Metallica has more of a hard rock with a soft touch of country than grunge....
S K G greatest of all time
The record companies were the ones, who killed hair metal by over flowing the market with one band after another, that sounded and looked exactly the same. If they´d had just a little bit of restraint, the two genres could have thrived side by side. It´s not true however, that hair metal just died from day to day. Def Leppard and Bon Jovi for instance, had several hits throughout the 90´s, without changing a whole lot. Pantera had changed a few albums earlier, but were a former hair metal band as well.
Phrankster163 Hey!!! I love a lot of those bands that look and sound the same. I’ll take WildSide, Nelson, Pretty Boy Floyd, Trixter, Firehouse and Junkyard over any grunge band anyday
@@andysixxlett2632 No one says we can´t have different tastes. Old music is often related to memories and it´s that´s what you listened to with your friends, that´s probably why you like it so much.
Blame it on Mutt Lange and Def Leppard. He turned them into a cheesy chick metal band after Pyromania. They used to rock then..."pour some sugar on me????" Really? But it made them money and brought the girls to the shows. Sold Out. Everyone after that tried to copy them. Instead of Iron Maiden,,,,rock was now Bret Michaels and three dudes in drag on Look What the CAt Dragged In.
@@etmeyutub Sadly true. At least there were some great albums from bands like Maiden, Metallica and Slayer to take your mind off it.
The great bands were there, they just weren´t being heard by the masses, much like it still is today and has for the most part been since rock was born in the 50´s. Back then, most radio stations were only allowed to play the "White Cover Versions" of songs,, that were pale imitations (no pun intended) to the real versions, that were done by artists like Bo Diddley and Little Richard, who were much more exciting both to look at and listen to than their white counterparts like Paul Anka, who got rich off re-recording their songs.
The 60´s and 70´s saw the masses being spoon fed bubblegum pop, while some of the greatest bands of all time broke up, because they couldn´t make it in the tough competition among bands and artist at that time. Even the few of the truly great rock bands who did make it to the top, usually got screwed over in the end anyway!
What happened with glam metal in the 80´s to me anyway, started long before Def Leppard were even a band, in 1972 when David Bowie came out with a little album called "The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders From Mars", but that´s just my opinion. I´m sure there´s hundreds of different opinions on when it began.
AIC...Love Hate Love...🤙😎🤘
- Live at the Moore -
Grunge didn't kill hair metal or any metal. Grunge just made another great chapter in rock 'n roll.
THANK YOU 🙏
Grunge was influenced by punk right?
The boring chapter for sure.
@Jaime Peters thanks
@Jaime Peters i think its more a hybrid of hard rock with metal
Layne is my favorite. He had the deepest music, I think.
No he does not. Jerry wrote most of the songs but not all.
But is Guns N’ Roses a true hair band? Like they had more attitude than any of those of hair bands
Tom Ffrench I can dig that
I think they're a hard rock band. They have the look of hair metal
joker here I feel like Guns N’ Roses are totally different than any of those bands at that time. Like I don’t think they are a hair band at all but I also don’t think they are metal at all. I would just consider them hard rock. I think they were just kinda all over the place with it all in a totally good way!
@@savannahrivers7736 Guns n roses are a cross between motley crue and aerosmith. a business of 22 musicians closed in 6 albums with 14 covers. a million-dollar sponsored record project that has nothing to do with a rock band
Yeah GNR isnt really hair metal .
4:32 Metallica released Garage Inc in late 90s though. Way later grunge's death.
It was Load that Metalica became Alternica.
Metallica are Gods.
@@badfairy9554 Gods? If that stands for "Grumpy old dick suckers" then sure.
Jeremy C they’re like the farthest thing from being grumpy guys.
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As an 80's kid who was a teen in the 90's, it was possible to be both into glam metal and grunge. And honestly... I listen to way more glam metal now in 2022 than I do anything grunge.
Is it true that Grunge was what actually started the 90s?
Dee Snyder: "The entire aesthetic of the Seattle groups was the rebellion of everything hair metal had come to be. That was a complete dissociation of everything about the era: the look, the hair, the sound, the performing style. You've got Eddie Vedder facing the back of the stage not looking at the audience, doing the complete wholesale rejection"
Cringe
You would have to complete depressed to listen to grunge!
I feel sorry for you, you came of age in the wrong era!
Grunge generation are 70s kids and 80s teens
You literally have nothing to do with the grunge generation ?
I mean... a lot of hair bands are still touring, selling shows. Most grunge bands can’t because they’re unfiguratively dead.
neat
True
doesn't make them good
Good or bad is subjective. Dead or alive, not so much.
Of course hair bands still touring. Cuz MOST them have to to eat
Been reading the comments during the video because if i see Cornell or Layne i may start crying
I Love both Grunge and Hair Metal, fight me lol
Me too! I love all the eras of rock music from the 50’s on.
lol - great comment :)
Same
sammycat can’t agree more
These days they hair metal and grunge might as well be in the same bracket since it's now all in the past. If Dave Grohl can play on stage with GnR (and/or vice versa).. then it's time to move on from this topic that seems more and more irrelevant as time goes by. Who still gives a fuck anymore except "journalist" who don't know shit and have nothing else to write about. Anyone who are still angry and bitter about grunge becoming popular after hair metal need to grow the fuck up and live and let die.
*The Change* started in 1987, primarily with four bands: Guns N Roses, Grateful Dead, REM, and U2. But there were also the Madchester groups, a burgeoning psychedlic-folk-pop, dance music became trippier, Hip Hop went through a socially conscious phases... by 1988 it was obvious _something_ was happening. Nirvana was the final nail in the 80s Hair-Metal coffin, but it had started a few years before, and did not come as a total surprise... to me, at least.
interesting comment. Some associate guns with 80s hair metal, but they were far better and much more raw rock. And they still remained huge in the early 90´s with use your ilusion being released pretty much at the same time grunge exploded, and still having many hits during that time.
Pantera changed their style a little bit too with the new decade…
Lyendith-Yeah...
A little? They were a hair band in the 80’s, I’d say they changed a lot!!
For me, Hair Metal ended when Guns N Roses released Appetite For Destruction. That was a new sound.
Denis Guns n Roses drew heavily from Rolling Stones, Aerosmith and Nazareth.... Tom Zutaut even said he thought it was a parody of Rolling Stones when he first heard them
Yes, G ' n R gave rock music a huge kick in the junk with their debut record, they were doing something quite against the tide at the time
@@durrrrl3435 oh yeah, hair metal was still going, but it hit a ceiling, I guess, I still like faster Pussycat/ skid row/ salty dog/. Love / hate / L.A. guns, but I wouldn't wear a Bang Tango shirt to a death metal show....
I dont think they ended hair metal but opened a gate for other bands to come with their heavier sounds
@Durrrrl34 the point is that when GNR came around it was the beginning of the end for hair metal, not that it ended immediately.
I dont know if this is a fair comparison. Hair metal was a genre, grunge was an era. Love both though.
Lol grunge is also a genre.
@@BillyAu Not really a genre if all the "grunge" bands sounded completely different lol
To whom it may concern..LOL all bands have their sound ..so I guess their are no genres?
They're both genres and era's you stupid fuck
@@BillyAu To be honest, Pearl Jam seemed a lot more Hard Rock/Metal influenced compared to the others.
Grunge was the poop floating in the punch bowl at the house party. It killed off all the fun and optimism in popular rock-based 90's music.
wtf? Alice in Chains are still going strong, their albums with William Duvall are amazing
Just saw em at Rock am Ring last sunday and I can confirm! 👍
Pisses me off because I keep missing that band every time they come to town. But I'm glad I got to see them with Layne Staley.
You know I'm a dreamer
But my hearts of gold
I had to run away high
So I wouldn’t come home low
SHOUT AT THE DEVIL LOL
@J Jizzle69 Take me to your heart
Feel me in your bones
Just one more night
And I'm comin' off this
Long and winding road
@@kinnickmedinger8205 wrong song Pal
@@eleni9644I’m on my way!
I used to be big into grunge in my teen years, because that's all the local 'rock' radio played.
Then I discovered Dio, Maiden, and Megadeth!
Never looked back things only got better.
How do you listen to a band like megadeath which has incompetent and cringe sounding vocals? It’s not even that rock and roll it’s more of a jazz sensibility. And maiden were all old men by the mid nineties, hardly a new hip band, wasn’t the original lead singer gone by that point
@@tylurmackinnon6217 you're right. I should have totally had your point of view on that. Sorry, my bad.
I’m the same in the mid 2000s when I was like 7 or 8 I listened to fall out boy and bands like that then in my teens. I discovered KoRn, megadeth, Metallica, Judas Priest, testament, slipknot, Drowning pool, Dio.
@@tylurmackinnon6217 megadeth isn’t that bad also the original singer for maiden was gone but then came back.
@@tylurmackinnon6217 Megadeth is popular for a reason, dingus. And writing off a band because they're no longer "new and hip" is stupid. Your comment is dumb.
“Hair Metal is dead”
*Motley Crüe, Poison, and Def Leppard schedule 2020 World Tour*
Fuck grunge
Corporal Shephard spot on!!
Ok, we need grunge again one more time
Corporal Shephard I agree
@@sabbatheus No.....Grunge got us into this mess. We don't need hair metal, but we certainly need a rock band again
In my opinion Alice in Chains was the best of the grunge era. They seemed to have a sound that was totally unique to them between Layne staleys voice and jerry cantrell guitar riffs and writing I think they definitely were the best of the bunch.
I feel like GNR was the first group that started getting people out of that poofy hair makeup era and more toward normal people playing music. Plus I feel like Axl started the flannel trend.
The 80s were a blast then it became hip to be depressed, grunge was depressing as hell
I never understood the appeal to depressing music
I bet you think Pink Floyd is depressing music too.
What’s wrong with writing lyrics that are about real problems? All the shit in the 80’s was full of lyrics about sex and partying. Sometimes it’s good to have honesty in lyrics, even they come from a dark place. People can relate to that.
The robot with human hair Their is to much negativity in the world already, people suck. Let music be something that isn’t negative
@@therobotwithhumanhair5659 really? Ever heard Kiss of death a song about aids?
Alice In Chains are still loved today
Mother Love Bone is one the US's most underrated bands.
Grunge had it's time, and some songs were really good from a musical perspective, but damn if it wasn't depressing. Having been a teenager listening to hair bands in the '80s I wasn't ready to give up the fun party music, and jump on the suicidal bandwagon. So at 21 I got in to the night club scene instead. At least club music at the time was still fun.
Thank you Loudwire for saying Kurt Cobain died from a gunshot wound and not suicide!
😂 was it courtney or what
I was thinking the same thing. At least she said gunshot wound. I was gonna thumbs down this if it went that way for that very second. But then there s Cornell sadly. Ahhhh man layne kurt and chris matter so much still and always
Umm, he wrote a song called "I hate myself and I want to die... And then he blasted himself. BTW , he was a depressed heroin addict. Where's the mystery?
@@jonnobarry4438 cause people cant get over... But cmon, a depressed addict that everyone except his fans see as a whining loser was bound to do that... Same with chester bennington. (I like both, just to clarify)
Jonno Barry Junkies are easy to kill because common people such as yourself don’t question it. Why don’t you go read his “suicide letter” and watch all the documentaries. Also read through the private investigation/police reports and then give your expert opinion.
Not saying that I’m an expert but the entire case is dodgy and doesn’t add up. It was not a clear cut suicide.
Not to mention that a lot of the thrash bands formed in the 80’s broke through in the 90’s. Hair metal had began turning into a lot of power ballads, and the fans wanted heavier music. That’s why hair metal ended with grunge and thrash’s emergence: the guitar was king again and the age of synths was dead (at least for the moment then)
5:23, Pearl Jam the only group still carrying the torch?
Does Loudwire not know about Alice In Chains with William DuVall? Three phenomenal albums have been released and AIC is still carrying the torch, they have always been my favorite Seattle band. Pearl Jam never came close IMO, Ten was great and to me Vs. was decent.
Jake Terch well that still isn’t the same because layne Staley is dead and though they’re making new albums this other dude is still singing some other guys songs about addiction and depression
they've become more heavy/doom metal than grunge though
@@spacecowb0y717 Grunge is not a genre and they were always a heavy metal band, even with Staley. There is nothing about them that speaks angst, they have practically zero punk influences I just can't fathom why they are even remotely considered grunge other than the fact that they talked about drugs and addiction and music was dark and their vocalist essentially committed suicide(due to his addiction)
@@anakinskywalker9255 doesn't take away from the fact that they are still killer. As much as I love Layne and miss him, people tend to forget how important Jerry is to AIC and to me the essence is still there.
Jake Terch yeah I guess you’re right
Basically it was like THIS - the music scene of the 80's (not only the Metal genre, but in general) had, by and large, been all style but no substance. And the grunge groups were the very flipside of THAT - THEY were no style and all substance. THAT, I think, sums it up very aptly.
It didn't end metal. It changed it
....But METAL LIVES!!!!!!
Hair metal is dead as Hitler, other metal acts don't
@@suhijo you can finish your sentence anytime
This is about hair metal, not metal bro
@@kevinheath716 Suhijo's sentence is true. Fuck hair metal!
It killed the poser one hit wonder hair bands, the greats, Crue, Priest, Ozzy, Tallica, Maiden, Halen, Def Lep etc all lasted longer than most grunge bands did.
Proof to all the world, METAL RULES THE LAND!
Goddang it feels like yesterday when all these guys were still alive
Bless the big 4 of grunge
Nirvana, Pearljam, Soundgarden and Alice in Chains!!! 🤘😎
Can it be the big 5 and add stone temple pilots
Grunge made me think metal was over. But searching I found almost underground metal: Gammaray, Helloween, Symphony X, Nocturnal Rites, Labyrinth, Manowar, Fates Warning, Vision Divine, Mob Rules, Jag Panzer, Lordian Guard, etc... I never looked back at grunge. Thanks!
I think hair metal kinda ran itself dry. Maybe any genre that would be different would have finished it.
Well said!
Exactly, simply a product of circumstance.
Now it's time for Mumble Rap to die!!!
Stefan Burlacu yeah, call all they did was play long solos that had no feel to it
You don't know this. But there were local unsigned hair bands in Hollywood during the 90s that had the goods. But the music industry ignored them then, and the people ignore them now on RUclips.
Grunge did NOT end 80s Hard Rock/Hair Metal. That style of music was already transitioning into 90s rock by the early 90s ( Listen to Motley Crue's Primal Scream from 1991, listen to Alice in Chains first album, or listen to bands like Saigon Kick or Every Mothers Nightmare) Hard Rock lost its popularity due to the rise of Hip Hop and Techno in the early 90s and pushed out of the mainstream in the USA.
And Pantera's change of direction on Cowboys From Hell album.
@@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns Jane's Addiction was also the first Alternative Metal act to gain mainstream popularity, back in the late 80s.
Not taking away from the 90's but the 80's will forever rule my music taste. In my opinion the grunge stuff is nowhere near as musically good as the late 70's and 80's stuff. Edit: And I wasnt even around during that time.
same with me. I was born in the early 90's. I'll take Supertramp over Pearl Jam any day.
As someone who was born in the early 2000's and as such, wasn't around for either hair metal or grunge when they were at their zenith, I would much rather see the return of hair metal. I would much rather have music about hot girls, cars, and having a good time than about being depressed and how the world sucks. Especially considering how much the world does suck right now.
We probably won’t see it, except in the underground. Rock music in general costs a lot of money to produce and it takes a certain commitment that modern musicians don’t seem to have. It’s just different times
Def Leppard, Crue, & Poison are still filling stadiums and the grunge bands are all dead. If grunge "ended" it, it didn't do a very good job.
True....
VERY TRUE!
They are signs of the past not the future friend
Nick Wick With new hair metal bands like CrashDiet, Santa Cruz, Black Veil Brides, Toxic Rose, Salem’s Lott, Crazy Lixx and Steel Panther, Id say the future is in good hands
@@andysixxlett2632 Never heard of any of them only knows BVB is a pop punk/hard rock band, yeah the fact that nobody knows them shows the genre has not gone anywhere
Wait! What? No mention of Mudhoney as the progenitor? Superfuzz Bigmuff was released in '88 and had some incredibly popular tracks here in the UK long before any of the other bands mentioned had commercial success.
Green River was, I think, is The Godfather of the “Grunge” genre.
You mean Neil Young.
@@kristopherloviska9042 I would agree with that too.
@@vegaspowerlifting His stuff with Crazy Horse is great. Especially live.
Great video! I'm just finishing a series on grunge, and I loved your take on it. Thanks for making this!
Don’t see what Garage inc has to do with anything
Never considered Alice In Chains a grunge band, but a metal band from Seattle during the grunge era
jose fucker exactly. There was nothing grunge about Facelift.
jose fucker thank you
...but all the so called big 4 grunge bands (AIC, Soundgarden, Nirvana, PJ) sound so different. Grunge was a marketing operation, not really a style of music imo. Imagine if the term "grunge" doesn't exist...would you really put all these bands in the same subgenre? I wouldn't. Both AIC and Soungarden have some metal elements too (musically speaking ofc). PJ not at all, totally different.
Gruntruck was a "Metal band from Seattle" . Grunge was more a scene , NOT a style of music .
..then outta nowhere Hip Hop came along & merked the whole music industry.
Hahaha facts hiphop is the new mainstream music
Hip hop was catching mainstream fire in 1993. But was popular since 1987. Thank god it came. Something that was needed.
@@knowyourroleboulevard7119 "The Breaks" came out in 1980. "The Message" came out in 1982. Run DMC put out "It's Like That" in 1983. Rap got popular way before '87.
@@atheathorium i know DMC started in the early 80s, but hip hop felt to people in that time edm was like on yt before blowing up. It was there but easily avoidable.
1986 was the start of the golden age era of hip hop where things were getting taken to a different direction with more recognition then indy level of popularity.
But it got popular despite having that right mainstream success boom. Which wasn't seen till like 1993.
Djent Metal is also the only mainstream Metal genre it's the Mumble Rap of Metal instead of repetitive mumbling it's repetitive riffs the have more open E zero's than Slayer. Thanks to Jared dines who has a very punchable face is making djent even more popular with kids that buy $200 dollar 7 string Ibanez and ESP LTD djent sticks. I'm a big fan of Thrash I'm glad Thrash is revived from the Dead in the underground Havok is carrying the torch that Megadeth left after selling out.
Great caption of the era, I enjoyed this.
Hair metal isnt dead,
Steel Panther all the way \m/
Death to all but metal
'How Grunge Ended Hair Metal'
And thank the Heavens it did.
And how pop killed grunge lol
@@azhbaha bruh wtf?
@@Intricateofmolasses laughs in grunge generation
I do not agree with many of the comments made here.
Hair Metal wasn't bad music and in fact bands like Guns N Roses, Skid Row and Motley Crue weren't wearing much makeup and were sounding heavier than others like Poison or Ratt.
Grunge didn't just kill Hair Metal ... grunge killed Rock.
After grunge, no new Rock or Hard Rock bands emerged on a massive scale.
I admit, I used to listen to a lot of grunge, but you have to tell it like it is.
Or maybe it wasn't grunge, maybe it was the corporatism of the 90s.
Anyway, grunge took a hit that Rock can't repair to this day.
exactly
I hate nu metal but technically that was the last metal genre to be mainstream popular.
No it didn't because Grunge is rock
To say that grunge was rock music’s last hooray is omitting how massive Oasis was from 1995-1998.
Can definitely tell that the creator of this video wasn’t alive in the 1990’s with some of their comments and timelines.
Love grunge....also love hair metal...to this day def leppard still kicks ass, just depends on what mood I'm in.
5:23 What? Alice in Chains are alive and well with 3 more albums thanks to their epic comeback with new singer William DuVall!
William Duvall is doing a great job. So glad he’s saved such a legendary band!!!
I can't tell whether it was hipster false modesty or that they really didn't enjoy the attention, but I think the rejection of fame was a defining and appealing trait of this scene. People were fascinated by seeing humble, introverted rock stars for the first time. They didn't seem to change just for the interview.
Uh Grunge hates Hipster
bands like 80s metal still thrive in europe, hugely popular (as it always was) metal (and punk) were only hugely popular in america for a while and then it died down to just hardcore fans. and there's tons of great newer bands, problem is record companies won't touch them, you have to find them on places like youtube
I think that hair metal or glam or whatever it has been called, will always have a fan base. It will always be listened but not as it was back in the 80s. Every era has it's own music and it's natural that new generations are coming and have different taste in music than previous. But many songs from that era (80s, and beginning of the 90s) are still being listened and will be evergreen like Elvis, Rolling stones, The Beatles... Simply this kind of music will never die. That also can be said about grunge music. Alice in chains still has good songs but isn't as nearly popular as it was with Layne Staley. What is the most important thing that songs will survive. 🙂
You know the funniest thing I was thinking about was that while Hair metal pretty much was killed by grunge back then, nowadays the hair metal bands aged better. Something with grunge was that most rockers were associated with depression, hence that new sound. A lot of grunge bands had members committing suicide. We know the problem of drugs with grunge was a lot higher. Probably why they get a bad rep.
I think in some more years grunge will fade away. Hell I grew out of it because I could not resonate with the depressing sound anymore. But that's just my opinion though.
I was in a hotel in DC on a school trip when I found out Kurt was dead. Chris h had clogged the toilet and we were soaking up water with towels when it came on the news.
Crappy day...
Kurt didnt kill himself. he faked his death cuz he hated his own music. so he changed his identity and he became the lead singer of weezer. The music industry is full of deception. milli vanilli with their fake singers and eminem dying and being replaced by a goofy looking lookalike. Katy perry is jon benet ramsey. admits it in her book. Google mtv canada and look at the pic its on top of a masonic lodge. Freemasonry and devil worship runs the inndustry and their favorite thing is deception. truth is stranger than fiction
@@bubber25 That's sounds so fucking stupid and I'm a satanist myself.
@@bubber25 Does the asylum know you've escaped yet?
Alice in chains still putting out killer music. William Duvall is an amazing singer. Not layne but still amazing
Love both 80’s and 90’s from new wave to gothic to punk rock to heavy metal then hair then grunge and alternative,all the while loving rock n roll, today I’m still evolving my music taste, as long as it’s rock.
uh alt is already before 90s
grunge also came up before 90s
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@@ttllymxico of course they were also known as NEW WAVE before they were Alternative late 70's early 80's...punk rock been around since 60's but I wasn't born yet