Hair Metal Musicians Reacting to Grunge
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- Опубликовано: 11 дек 2022
- Watch as members of Motley Crue, Poison, Def Leppard and other "hair metal" bands give their opinions about the genre that killed their momentum -- grunge.
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Really cool to see Tommy & Nikki reacting so positively and supportively about the whole early 90’s musical change!
Not Vince though. He was pissed and hated it.
@@hankgege2199 jealousy
I think it’s easy to support when you are the most successful band from that era. I don’t think their careers were ever hurt in any major way, like the rest of the bands.
@@hankgege2199 Which is interesting if you look at the band's trajectory. Vince shunned it, left the band, and the first thing they do is release the self-titled album (which was very much influenced by the music of the time... And regardless of popular opinion is actually a great album). He refused to move with the times so he got replaced by somebody who would.
@@hankgege2199 I can understand why he did though
I dug Dokken and Ratt as I dug AIC and Soundgarden as I dug Megadeth and Slayer. i never cared about genres, I just cared about music that moved me.
Same here well said!
Best comment here 👏🤘
❤
Same.
Yeah same, love all of the bands. I really don’t know why the “hair bands” got so much hate.
Whoa, Nikki Sixx was right on the money in freaking 1989.
Only he thought he would be at the VanGuard of the "new" style, as opposed to being looked at as a bitter, washed-up guy from the hairspray and se days,which he is. Even though I still have some love for Crue, they were the original bad boys
Which, oddly enough, was the year Nirvana released their first album.
@@tenbroeck1958 I doubt he ever did. When he introduced Nirvana on Headbanger's Ball he said something along the lines of "This is a very important record."
Yep! Exactly what happened!
Him & Dee Snider were among those in the “Hair Metal” world that hated how homogenized things were becoming. And there are others who got lumped in who hated the scene, too. I think for a lot they knew something had to/was going to happen. And honestly, I think that’s why a lot of Hair and Melodic Rock bands that didn’t get killed off by Grunge made the smart move of getting feet in Europe, Japan and other places where the shift wasn’t as seismic and they could continue to audiences, though on a less prominent level (nobody ever brings this bit of history up). It’s why some smaller bands compared to Ratt or Cinderella were consistently putting out albums throughout the 90s and even to this day if they weren’t a legacy band like Motley Crue, Def Leppard, Whitesnake, Poison or Bon Jovi. And maybe being smaller also allowed them to swallow their pride and keep going.
I feel like Vince Neil is the embodiment of everything nirvana was against
Edit: yes I know it was also gnr, I am referring to this specific video
Everything as in being filthy rich and plenty of hot sluts?
@@tambor76 glad to see you think women are “sluts” and only useful for sex. Speaks volumes about you as a person, so here’s a reminder of your digital footprint :)
What? NOT shooting yourself?
Vincent neil is the embodiment of everything most people are against
He does do a killer Eric Cartman impression
Soundgarden and Alice In Chains were more metal than any hair metal band
What these Loudwire hipsters call as 'Hair Metal' is actually 80s Hard Rock and Glam. And yeah, some Alternative Metal is heavier than 80s Hard Rock.
Alice in Chains debut album was a mix of 80s Hard Rock and Alternative, goes to show one of the biggest rock bands of the 90s was actually heavily influenced by 80s Hard Rock.
Don't forget Melvins. They're pioneered sludge metal and drone metal.
Stop gatekeeping douchebag. They're all good
@@LuchaLibertaria Alice in Chains first album was heavily inspired by hair METAL (That's it's name btw) and they would have been hair metal if it didn't fall out of favor. You can't watch their music videos and tell me otherwise
@@DobbyTheGamer Alice'N Chains started as a Glam Metal band in 1987. Guys in Pearl Jam also used to be in glam metal bands before PJ and MLB. Goes to show how music genres actually influence each other despite Loudwire trying to turn it into a piss-match for more views. And its called Glam Metal; 'Hair Metal' is just a silly derisive term that was popularised in the mid-90s by MTV/Rolling Stone meaning 'all hair no substance or talent'. Loudwire deliberately uses this term to stigmatise 80s hard rock bands whereas they try to big up Grunge on every chance bcs Grunge promoted political correctness (which had evolved into todays woke culture) & Loudwire (and its corporate bosses) also wants to push pc culture on people.
I love all types of music. I loved hair metal, classic rock, grunge, etc
This is the way
Same
Do you like rap, pop, country, jazz, blues, and extreme metal tho?
@@skullcandy5411 yea....except country.
I’m with you, there’s no wrong or right in what type of music to like. Music is an art, a person can like or not and it doesn’t matter. I grew up hearing country cause my parents and family. I enjoy early 90s, 80s and older country, I grew up with it. Others can’t stand it and it’s all good. I’m not going to debate or preach you’re missing something in your life if you don’t listen to it 🤣 Thing is I could put on Pantera and we’d connect or Mobb deep or Motley wtf knows. We different, same but ourselves. Listen to what you love and connect to, don’t have someone change how you feel.
Edit: lmao I just seen your last post after I posted mine.
Grunge was the soundtrack to my coming of age but I’ll always have a soft spot for glam and there are some good hair metal songs.
same. but the bands who havent aged well, aged like very old milk
Right, I love a lot of Def Leppard stuff, I think they were the best of this video
"Cherry Pie" by Warrant is a guilty pleasure to the ears. 🥧
@@countmackular4108 one of mine is Ain’t nuttin but a good time!
@@Spooky_515 "Nothin' But A Good Time" is Bop!...An " Unskinny Bop"!
That's why 90-94 was such a fun time for music, rock in particular. We really had the best of both worlds during that brief window. It was a great time to be in that 14-18-year-old range. Love both 80s and 90s rock!
There was more than grunge and alt rock and grunge existed in the 80s too. The reason people thought that Kurt “made a revolution” was because they had no clue about alt before he made it mainstream. Kurt himself was a voracious listener to all those bands (Meat Puppets, Dinosaur Jr, Sonic Youth, Melvins, etc)
@@gareginasatryan6761 Don't forget The Pixies.
@@homelessjesse9453 yes! And Husker Du and Fugazi
@@gareginasatryan6761 Fresno may be a dump, but I have fond memories of rocking out with some friends to Fugazi's "Waiting Room."
I'm 15 now in 2022, wish I lived in another era 😖
When Eddie Vedder sings "I'm still Alive" these days it takes on a whole new meaning.
It's sometimes hard to accept he's one of the only ones of that scene left.
is he? I haven't paid attention to him since about 1998 lol
@@shaunsteele6926 cobain, staley, cornell... All dead.
@@CustodianVirgilEspecially since he’s the worst
Metallica was actually pretty amazing to the grunge bands. They took Jerry Cantrell, Candlebox and Days of the New on tour just off the top of my head.
metallica were not a hair band.
@@mightyquinn38 I never said they were. They're a good example of an 80s band not throwing a tantrum over a new artist getting the spotlight. Ozzy was too
@@rawkguy4896Their biggest hit album came out the same year as Nevermind
Metallica was trying to stay hip with the times--> look how bad load and reload were
Metallica took Alice in Chains on tour, then later took the piss out of Layne Staley for being a heroin user. Hardly nice guys back then considering Hetfield can't keep off the booze lmao
So interesting. It must have been a real culture shock for the hair metal bands to see grunge come up
poison: cheering and jumping around
The melvins: coming in like a bulldozer
It was like revenge of the nerds. To this day I still don't get it.
@@DaveKostka
It was a big tantrum.
@@DaveKostka Lol, no.
Revenge of the middle-class kids, if anything.
Alternative Rock was already gaining popularity by the late 80s. Janes Addiction was the first 'Heavy-Alternative' band to break into the mainstream in 1988. It didn't happen in overnight.
Nikki and Tommy have a totally different attitude than Vince.
And they had a point.
Nikki and Tommy are musicians and music fans, Vince is only a frontman diva, who sounds like shit last 25 years :D
Vince Neil Was Jealous Of Grunge 😂
I would LOVE to see a whole Doc of 80’s Hair Band’s and how they felt and dealt with Grunge.
I remember VH1 doing that a couple of decades ago.
Never was a Def Leppard fan, but I respect Joe Elliot for encouraging his band to listen to a mix of new music to understand DL’s place in the new landscape. There’s an intellectual and artistic honesty there that I deeply admire.
I don't recall Metallic slowing down too much in the 90s. The Black album came out around the beginning of grunge andI remember playing in my rotation of Pearl Jam, Chili Pepper, Alice in Chains and Nirvana.
thats because metallica wasnt a hairmetal band...
Metallica wasn't a hair band, they rebelled against hair stuff before it was cool.
It’s because they had the angst and rebellion in them. Hair metal was dumb lyrics and misogyny.
Metallica is metal, "hair metal" falls better into hard rock. Softer metal boomed in the 90s due to the lack of competition and as such bands like Tool, Opeth and Pantera were founded/boomed.
lumping Metallica in with bands like this is wildly missing the mark of what Metallica was
Every genre gets big and dies out, then thanks to the internet we can listen to anything we want at any time. That's just how life works!
When is rap going to die out?
@@michaelduncan5038 when I finally go outside and touch grass
@@WoockerSocket2
Hey you’re here XD
@@michaelduncan5038the day rap dies will be the day humanity stops snorting battery acid
I find it interesting how sonically different Tommy and Nikki’s (the ones who actually wrote for Crüe) views differ from Vince on grunge. I believe it displays the vast difference in maturity, not that there was much to begin with, between the members
I get the feeling more and more from watching Pam and Tommy, The Dirt ECT, that Vince was more of a "frontman" than an actual bona fide "vocalist/singer".... Where as Tommy and Nikki actually have some great pedigree in regards to music.
I also think a lot of people were too hard on bands like Motley Crue ECT, when that whole Seattle Fad kicked in... Don't get me wrong, there really was some dead weight in the Hair Metal scene... But the Irony is, look what happened to "Da Gwunge Seen" once it started making money... All the clones.. and then I'm not going to get started on the more "commercial" alternative groups..
Because Vince didn't like the grunge bands that makes him immature? Or that Tommy and Nikki liked them, so that makes them mature? Not really following your logic.
@@MrOctober44 He did sound kinda whinny about it though lol!
@@MrOctober44Vince was honest.
Tommy Lee always been super nice and welcoming but Vince is the opposite
Hair metal was my high school music, grunge was my drinking age. I went to a few concerts in the 80’s but I saw everyone in 90’s! From local bands to Nirvana. By the time grunge started I was so burned out on hair metal, metal and everything else from the 80’s. Now I have a soft spot for everything I grew up on and it breaks my heart music died with the end of the 90s.
My highschool age was my drinking age😂
Ironically, Nirvana's publisher was "The End of Music"
I don't think music died at the end of the '90s I'm in my sixties and I still discover new music all the time there's not a lot of it out there and it does take some effort but I've found some amazing stuff at least for me and my tastes
@@admin1585 my elementary school was my drinking age🤪
@@dlwseattle Fair one, I'd say I was 12/13 where I was like "I can drink 5 pints in 10 minutes" I grew up after my friend shotgunned 5 cans in seconds and told me to catch up😂
2:30 "there was kids that look like they just got out of bed" True Grunge LMAO.
Punk became huge in the 90s due to the grunge movement. Most grunge bands were talking about punk bands who influenced them. Most of these bands have not made a huge impact just like grunge bands, but they do have their fans.
And I'm one of those punk fans at least. Bad Religion and NOFX are huge. Green Day Rancid and The Offspring as well. Didn't count rise Against because they were from the 2000s, but an awesome band.
I really hate calling the bands of the 90’s punk because being on MTV goes against the Punk Rock ethos. However those bands were a new era of the genre.
@@takodabostwick8507 lol...green day and the offspring!!! hahahahahahahahahaha...
Punk was big waaaaay before the 90s. If anything sub genres of punk became popular in the 90s like ska, pop punk, erc
And then in a weird circular way, grunge morphed into nu-metal, which was then promptly destroyed by At-the Drive In in like 2001.
And now 80's metal bands are popular again and doing great touring. Everything came full circle.
Thank God, cause otherwise I wouldn't be going to any concerts. I detest grunge.
@@Mick_Ts_Chick The only Grunge band I liked from that era, and still like, is Alice In Chains.
@@Mick_Ts_Chick
Grunge was fuckin' awesome. By the time it finally hit the airwaves, the 80's hair metal was so worn out and had finally become the punchline to the joke it always was. Hell... The biggest hair metal band right now is Steel Panther, which makes a living being an 80's parody band.
And, for the record... Soundgarden and Alice In Chains were more metal than any of those 80's glam bands.
@@BluesDeville sorry dude but in 1992, at the height of Grunge, Def Leppard was overselling Pearl Jam while Guns'n Roses and Bon Jovi were selling out stadiums worldwide. So yeah Grunge didnt kill 80s Hard Rock. American Music Industry has replaced pop-metal with pop-punk, that was it.
@@BluesDeville so Steel Panther is bigger than Motley Crue , Poison, Def Leppard, Kiss, Guns'n Roses, Bon Jovi??
Funny that Frances Bean Cobain actually interviewed Vince Neil a few years ago and asked him why he showed so much animosity towards her father's genre. Frances also felt some empathy towards Vince because he lost his young daughter Skylar to a serious illness some time after she lost her father to suicide. But Vince hasn't changed his outlook on grunge even after the interview took place. Obviously still has the utmost bitter animosity towards it.
I appreciate Vince’s honesty
@@brianmeen2158 I like grunge, but NOT Nirvana. AIC and Soundgarden are more up my alley. And STP is NOT a Seattle band. Most glam era icons actually dug STP's music.
@@davej.meister5421 nirvana entirely encapsulates what the word grunge really meant back then, Kurt’s vocals along w the music fits perfectly to the genre they were depicted(not that aic or soundgarden are bad I like them) but nirvana imo is the only band in my eyes that were truly attuned to that word
@@davej.meister5421 why don't you mess with Nirvana
@@lottofever3061 Problem? Tissue? Are you a glam metal fan? Or a Nirvana fan? Whose side are you taking? You tell me.
As someone who appreciates both glam and grunge (the former being in hindsight) that’s why I love Skid Row’s Slave To The Grind album, the grimier edge with the rock and roll swagger. Monkey Business is a tuuuuuuune! 🤘🏻❤️
I liked Nirvana for about a year. Soundgarden and Alice in Chains were more my style because they were louder.
And had good guitarists
I’m sorry but Kurt was shit at guitar
Soundgarden for sure.
Alice in Chains for sure.
Stone temple pilots and pearl jam for sure
Green River for sure…. But on a serious note In Utero is louder than anything Soundgarden or AIC put out
Johnny Rotten probably made the best quote about Grunge. He said, Punk Rock, has finally made it to America.
Which is kinda dumb given that it was here for quite some time and just not mainstream.
@@Noirxheart to spell the point out, he's saying what happened in America wasn't Punk, it was something else.
@@Fiddling_while_Rome_burns No need to spell the point out, I get it. It’s just that he’s wrong. He was also part of an industry manufactured machine of a band who are most famous for their cheerleader Sid who could barely play his instrument. No different than the Boy Bands of the 90’s and 2000’s.
Johnny Rotten is so adorable thinking punk was a UK thing. Punk was in America before it was in the UK. The New York Dolls, Velvet Underground, The Stooges, etc. Numerous band that were around before the Pistols, Ramones, and The Clash.
@@BluesDeville except us Punk was a completely different genre of music. Punk in the UK wasn't even initially called Punk and only dubbed that by the press not the musicians. It's like hair metal, hair metal isn't metal just glam rock, it was only dubbed metal by press, no metal fan considered it metal at the time.
Oh well, what do I know....I liked the BeeGees as much as grunge or hair metal. A little variety is the spice of life.
So true bro
There you have it
Hell yeah. In the 90’s, I was an “alternative rocker” (Radiohead, Nirvana, etc.) who preferred dance clubs over rock clubs and I had a rocker friend who couldn’t understand how that could be. It was quite hilarious actually.
Bee Gees were really talented
I really miss the hair bands of the 80’s. They were some of the best years of my life, and I still had my parents and grandparents.
A lot of em still play. Motley and Poison went on tour recently. And there's a few new ones.
There are still alot of 80s inspired Melodic Hard Rock and Glam bands around. You should follow labels like Frontiers Records, AFM Records etc. to see whats new
I still miss the huge metal culture in the 80s and early 90s. Great times and I never thought it would go away
@@brianmeen2158 I know exactly what you mean. Back in the day, I thought that the metal bands would be popular for a lot longer than it was.
I liked some of the hair bands. But Iron Maiden, Metallica, Megadeth and Slayer were more my style. Loved Grunge though.
the music industry misses the point, there is room for metal, grunge and every thing that came before. So we all miss out
Nikki was spot on! Careful what you ask for :)
actually he fails to see all successful music is a product of recycling. There is no "revolution". Just the replay of really good forgotten music, slightly modified to a newer version
Unfortunately he got what he asked for.🙁
Exactly 💯
Sad thing is that grunge died too soon, I think both genres were either extremely partying and fun or extremely depressive and sad and musicians couldn't handle it
Grunge was a mistake
true, im glad, grunge didnt continue.
I loved some hair metal bands like whitesnake and still do,I mean how can you not put on "still of the night " and not headbang to that in parts? but when grunge blew up..I dunno it just somehow resonated within you,it was fresh sounding and it became big right at the end/beginning of a new decade, it just seemed to fit into place like a jigsaw piece. It's like grunge was the future sound ...it was just very short lived
Blotz looks like a suburban factory worker dressed as a ‘rock star’ at Halloween.
i love all this music like hair, grunge, nu metal, heavy, trash, hard rock, stone, some punk and more
Congratulations
@@williamberry8895 danke
To think there are people that shitted on me because I loved (and still love) both grunge and glam for different reasons is beyond me still. Two great genres for a different kind of day you're having.
So many great bands from both eras. That’s the magic of rock and metal! 🤘
They had it coming.
Also they practically did that to themselves by sounding the same.
What about the stale-ass rap music we’ve been force fed? That garbage has “had it coming” since 1995 but people still pretend it’s worth more than a bag of horse shit.
Very true. It'll happen to every genre of music.
Grunge died even faster.
@@rodycaz8984 nope. Hair metal and grunge lasted just as long as each other
Change happened
Some people just can’t accept that. Well a lot of people don’t like change
Hence all of the political angst
0:35 that’s literally where rap is right now
at the early 90's before the grunge blast, there were a lot of good glam bands and they could have kept the genre alive I'd split into 2 categories, sleaze rock (Faster pussycat, Junkyard, Circus of power, Sea Hags, Guns, Skid Row, etc) and blues based hard rock bands like Badlands, Black Crowes, Cinderella, Tangier, etc. And they all were doing well...
That could have been interesting if it had more time to evolve because I like bluesy down 'n dirty Rock and Roll but the Grunge/Alternative bandwagon steamrolled all of it and the industry pulled the plug.
@@bloppysloppy2283 I agree with you, 1990 Cinderella was quite interesting and some UFOs like Life Sex And death were really pushing the genre beyond all limits
Among the greatest bands that followed the transition of the era was Pantera. The went from hair metal to heavy metal to even a heavier metal. Some people really knew the trend was going that way and they just follow it without gaving up their root. Even Nirvana was getting heavier that time. Music was drawn into angry attitude and culminated into bands like Limb Bizkit in the 2000's era, where thrashing and fucking up was the basic attitude. What a crazy transition we been through. Rip dimebag, vinnie, and Kurt
Coming from a "hair metal" background, I embraced the music of the 90's. Grunge bands like Soundgarden, Alternative bands like Raidohead, Electronic bands like Prodigy, Industrial bands like Nine Inch Nails, Shock Rock bands like White Zombie. Great stuff!
So strange how people (record companies included) easily forget that musical tastes change and they are seemingly blindsided when a new sound revolution comes about. Nikki’s interview from 89 was the most accurate prediction.
Also--Bobby Blotzer still looks as if he’s partying like it’s the 80’s: go easy bro…go easy.
Actually, even before Nirvana, about 2-3 months, "Right Here Right Now" from Jesus Jones and "Unbelievable" by EMF were heavily played on the straight rock or hard-rock stations. Both became top 10 hits in the US. I remember sitting like a deer in the headlights the first time I heard them. It was so different from everything else being played. And I actually thought this new sound was amazing. So our ears were simply primed and receptive to more new offerings. (Extreme, Firehouse, Nelson, Stix... that was top ten from the hair metal camp at hits time)
@Loudwire & @Rockfeed keeping music journalism alive!!!
I don’t know if I agree with Rock Feed. I’d say Fantano and Brad Taste have great channels. I also really love Nik Nocturnal. His channel is the modern equivalent of music journalism and news, except there he covers good music ALL OF THE TIME instead of talking about good music a tenth of the time.
Core for life
@@ryanbollinger1759 Nik Nocturnal is the man. Much love and respect for that dude as well. I'm unfamiliar with the others you mentioned, so I'm gonna have to go check em out.
At the time I felt like Grunge was just an extension of metal...It was riffy, loud & heavy so I liked it!!!
Yes, Soundgarden and Alice in Chains hated being called grunge, they were influenced by Ozzy, Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin etc.
Hair metal isn't real metal. It was an extension of Van Halen (DLR era) and some glam rock bands from the 70s like T-Rex. That is why the "real" metal bands like Anthrax, Megadeth, Metallica, and Ozzy all did well in the grunge era. Maiden and Priest probably would have done well if they still had Halford and Dikenson as their lead singers as well.
@@jeffjackson9679Glam Metal will rise once again and annihilate all thrash metal!
@@glammetalservices IDK. Other than Steel Panther which is more of a cover/gimmick band, I don't see any of them making any headways like they rose in the early 80s. Don't get me wrong, I dug some of the hair metal (we used to call it pop metal back in the 80s) like Dokken, Ratt and Cinderella, but I just don't see it happening. Would be glad if I'm wrong though.
@@glammetalservices that shit will never come back thank fuck for that really most of it was pop trash and made rock/metal look bad its almost the mumble rap of the rock world if i want sexy rock i go back to the 70s they did i better
I enjoy both genres. Some days I enjoy some hair swinging, and some days I pop on Spoonman.
And what about when Riki Rachtman of the cathouse and Headbanger's Ball cut his hair and started wearing work boots and Clutch T-shirts. I was a huge fan of GNR, Motley, Van Halen and had a lot of glam metal in my tape deck but by the time I saw Teen Spirit on MTV I was totally seduced by this sound. Looking back I can still embrace the music I loved growing up.
At the height of hair metal, I distinctively remember a boy wearing a Cinderella shirt in the lunch room. As much as people knock it, that scene had longevity.
The only thing that sucks is americans thinking everything has to be a disposable/replaceable product with a limited shelf life. In Asia, Europe and Latin America, traditional hard rock and heavy metal was alive and well during the 90s and 2000s, co-existing with stuff like electronica, industrial, funk, reggae, ska and other sub genres.
the punk/alt scene that took over in the 90s kinda killed fun in rock and it never recovered.
lotta great songs from then but you can't run on angst and irony forever...
Underrated comment. Rock and Roll is supposed to be fun. It can be other things too but one thing I've learned is that too much negativity kills art. I think that's why so much music and film(and society in general) suck today. We live in a dead culture dominated by an establishment narrative and wokeness that you can't go against or else. It's very repressive.
That's a really good point. As much as I love punk rock, I do need to have enough room to have some fun in there. Most of these bands took their music seriously. I get that punk has a lot of anger and I really enjoy it though. Bad Religion has a song called Fuck You. It's definitely a song to hear if someone pissed you off. Some of the 60s evening had some angst like The Who, The Kinks and The Rolling Stones.
@@takodabostwick8507 Early Punk had a fun side to it. I'm talking about the 1976-78 era New York and UK bands. When hardcore thrash became the dominant sound in punk after the first punk wave died off, the music became faster and angrier and often even more political.
@@bloppysloppy2283 Equally underrated comment
@@bloppysloppy2283 I love what you just write. Could you expand about wokeness and rock n roll?
Do thrash metallers reacting to hair metal xD
Metallers 🤣🤣🤣
dipesh 🤣🤣🤣
Gary from Exodus was saying they all secretly liked Dokken because of George Lynch's guitar playing, haha! Some of the glam stuff is good, and I grew up considering myself a thrash guy. Now I just see myself in a broader sense, though I'll always be a metalhead first and foremost.
I think it's pretty clear that the thrash guys and the guys in GN'R welcomed it wholeheartedly. I mean, the Clash of the Titans tour, GN'R taking Soundgarden on tour, inviting Nirvana as well.
LA SUCKS!!!
Grunge started to take over right around when I graduated high-school. So because I was still young I think that allowed me to like both styles, and pretty everything since.
Grunge killed itself front man after front man after front man ....and that is frightening
The songwriters were NOT pretending to e dark. They were truly talented, but tortured, souls. Kurt, Layne Staley, Chris Cornell (despite being one of the most handsome men in America), and Scott Weiland: just for starters.
@@tenbroeck1958 I know and with all i was going through in the 90s I'm so glad i was not yet a fan of grunge. I still cry over Freddie Mercury, Jimmy Hendrix, SRV, Cliff Burton...and don't even get me started on Prince! Can't even listen to him anymore at all
@@tenbroeck1958 Mark Lanegan, Shannon Hoon and Andy Wood too. Grunge is a cursed genre filled with a sea of ghosts
@@tenbroeck1958 Out of the big four of grunge, only one frontman remains. Eddie Vedder. It's also interesting to note that Pearl Jam was easily the least dark of the bunch. I'm not saying this to be a smart-ass but it's almost like that people with dark thoughts perform dark actions.
I'm the frontman of my band (nobody you've ever heard of, I assure you) and most of my lyrics revolve around darkness as well. You can't accurately write that shit if you're not in a bad place. I'm not even remotely shocked that those guys ended up how they did. It's a shame but it makes complete sense.
No..grunge died way before Layne, and Chris, it was practically dead by 95/96 and not because of Kurt's death. It was just an explosive movement that wasn't meant to last long. Sure some bands were still going but their style changed
At least brett Michael addressed the glammers denying glam during grunge
I heard an O&A clip! Always love to hear them
The problem with grunge was that the later albums basically became a meme of a very narrow formula. Four chords, baritone vocals, and quite verses. You could see a great diversity before 92.
A lot of those bands were playing more than 4 chords. In fact, many of those bands were quite talented musicians. They just weren't doing over-indulgent basic pentatonic scale runs and dive bombs like the 80's bands were doing.
@@BluesDeville I’m not talking about solos. If anything they soloed more after ‘92
@@BluesDeville The musicianship in the 80's hard rock genre was better than what grunge offered. Style can be argued all day of course, since it is subjective. But if we are talking specifically about technique, the 80's guitarists collectively had a much better command of their instrument.
@@aaronkristo858
There's no doubt that rock musicianship reached a pinnacle in the 80's. A lot of those players were amazing talents. The cheesy presentation and cheesy lyrics the hair metal bands wrote to accompany that musicianship was the travesty.
@@BluesDeville Give some examples?
Only Pantera decided to switch from Hair Metal/Glam Metal to something else in the 90s.
Untrue, Warrant evolved A LOT, Cinderella was getting bluesier and countrier than ever, Skid Row switched to heavy metal and Motley Crue delivered a Huge record with John Corabi
Hair metal always felt unrelatable. I remember as a kid listening to Motley Crue’s “She Goes Down”…how can I relate to this? Unskinny Bop Bop? Cherry Pie? I was an awkward and shy teenager. The bands that came out of that grunge era just made more sense and I felt they spoke to be better.
Glam bands promoted freedom of speech and they were anti-censorship. Grunge was pushing that self-pitying victimhood culture into the mainstream which has evolved into todays Cancel Culture. I'd say even the lamest party rock lyrics are better than that whole woe-is-me crap
I don't listen to music to be relatable. I listen to music because the topics are cool and fantastical. Who wants depressing shit?
@@Undying3001You have clearly never dealt with depression. Most of the time, depressed people want to feel related to, that’s why grunge is so comforting to us, because we know that someone else feels the pain.
No wonder why people loves Tommy Lee. A hair metal guy who didn't shit on the next wave.
The bands that did well during the 80s hair metal era and the 90s grunge era are the bands that truly can stand the test of time. Groups like Metallica, Red Hot Chili Peepers, and Bon Jovi all got big in the 80s. But when everything changed in the 90s they only got bigger and they’re all still talked about today. Legendary bands don’t ride a trend, they keep evolving their unique style not fearing having a bad album or 2 (cause all of them certainly did). These bands names will be remembered in history while most of these hair metal bands will be forgotten
The mainstream bands sucked. Not all of them but quite a few. The true glam metal bands of the 80’s were the ones that were underrated.
I like some grunge bands, but 80's rock and metal from all categories will always be on top!
I could listen to an entire interview with Brett Michaels. Very intelligent man, and always has been.
But look at what's happening now...Metal is making a huge comeback, and I love it! And Steel Panther seems to be leading the pack, and again, I love it!
Imagine thinking Steel Panther is leading the way for the metal revival 😂
@@HendersonHinchfinch imagine not!
@@RumbleFish69 it’s easy to imagine that. Steel Panther sucks steel balls
@Repetition Repetition Repetition Repetition What's your problem, dude? Why do you feel the need to knock down what someone else likes. Why, because you don't like them? What did I do to you? You know, there are no other metal bands out there pushing to bring back metal as hard as Steel Panther. They have a new album due out shortly, and I happen to really like the first single "1987". We can just disagree, my man. I'm an old school metal-head, and I love all of the old bands. I'm just gonna respect the guys who are out there right now working really hard to bring it back.
@@RumbleFish69 Metal is and was in a great place before Steel Panther. I think your idea of “metal” is the 80’s style glam metal. The genre has evolved a lot since then, thankfully. Never meant to make you upset dude. Like what you like
I think grunge was a breath of fresh air. All of those 80s hair bands were all looking the same. Grunge was stripped down and gritty. I still love Nirvana almost 30 years later.
Kurt, Layne, Chris, Eddie, Jerry all of them knew how to write lyrics and melodies that last decades and that is the real reason grunge became big.
Yes sir!! They wrote songs that didn't just Amp People Up but ALSO resonated in their SOULS!! That's the difference
I'm a gen z kid and before I started forming my own music taste my mom played a bunch of both hair metal and grunge around me, and I have to say I enjoy Def Leppard, Mötley Crüe, Poison, and Cinderella just as much as I enjoy Nirvana, Soundgarden, Bush, and Alice in Chains. It's a very interesting seeing this as someone who didn't exist during either movements.
the bottom line is that Hair Metal was so played out by 89 or so. I was sick of it.
Bands like Guns N Roses and the Black Crowes were a breath of fresh air. They were my favorite bands 90-91 then I got into Led zeppelin for like 2 years, and nothing else sounded on the same level
Like most avenues to success, no matter what field you work in, longevity requires the ability to adapt to change. Even more so if you work in a field that involves popular trends, which constantly change.
Love metal. Love grunge too.
Grunge was short-lived but it's interesting how much it changed rock forever. It essentially killed "party" rock and the image of the rock star life of hot chicks and partying until you pass out. Grunge may have died out but a lot of the values and concepts live on in current rock and metal. Rock is much more serious in general and nobody is wearing spandex and glitter on stage anymore unless they're a popstar.
Death of the larger than life 'rockstars' pushed a lot of teenagers into pop and Hip Hop in the mid-90s. People like Lady Gaga are the rockstars of today. Thats one of the reason why Hard Rock/Metal is not relevant in the mainstream culture.
Did you smoke your breakfast? Grunge was not short-lived.
I feel like all of these takes are wrong. Hair metal was a thing. Grunge was a thing. One had nothing to do with the other.
To say that everyone loved hair metal and then all of those people switched to grunge is not true. They were mostly different fan bases. Grunge didn't kill hair metal it was already dying.
I never liked hair metal. None of my friends did. We all liked grunge. We thought hair metal was for posers and girls.
that "image" was born out of MTV. Suddenly every band had to have a visual representation of their songs to present to the world on MTV, so it was all about excess and outrageous hair and clothing styles.
@@shaunsteele6926 That larger-than-life rockstar image didn't come from MTV, it was already there since the beginning. Mick Jagger wore outrageous clothes and had an excessive lifestyle back in the 60s
The 80s shift to the 90s.
Nikki nailed it.
I just want genres where people are allowed to shred on the radio
So... hair metal :)!
Vince hated grunge because it was cool without trying to be
I grew up watching 80s metal on VH1 classic. Which was like MTV for me because I born in 95. That being said, I love grunge to!! They needed to change at the time. That's something we need today! I think Bret Michaels said it best. "It wasn't grunge music that killed it. It was the marketing." Enough said!
Also Vince Neil was a freaking hypocrite in the interview! Nikki wrote some songs about his fucked up life to.
Exactly 💯
Just a progression from rock, punk to grunge as reacting to different issues and still all great genres - Can relate to them all on different day, Positive reactions from positive music makers
I saw Def Leppard in 92 when I was a senior in high school and they did a bit in the show where they played the opening riff to "Smells Like Teen Spirit" and then joked about it. I don't remember what they said, exactly, but I do remember them not taking it seriously. I didn't either the first time I heard Nirvana...but then it grew on me. A lot. By 93 I was full-on grunge guy. However, I never abandoned my hair metal roots. I would happily listen to both. Seems like too many people saw it as a THIS OR THAT and didn't see it as a THIS AND THAT where there's just a new thing to add to your list of preferences, without scratching something off the list. It's okay to have "Unskinny Bop" by Poison and "Jermey" by Pearl Jam in your playlist.
Very insightful of Nikki!!
hair metal became a parody of itself, but grunge did as well. hell nu metal is still a crime against nature in a lot of circles. I still enjoy stuff from every era though, dokken and those guys had their moments. soundgarden and AIC have more than withstood the test of time and kurt's legacy is forever safe. I still enjoy staind and korn and old kid rock( devil without a cause era)
Love u loudwire
I love Nirvana just as much as I love Motley Crue for the same reasons. Both bands were original, passionate and themselves. A lot of the bands that followed both of those when they got big lacked that same edge and frankly just copied a lot of their style
Kurt Cobain was also a fan of Motley Crue. He just wanted to write different kind of music
"That was great, because it got rid of all of those guys with the hairspray and leotards. And then Kurt came in like a phoenix. He cut them down like wheat before the sickle. You are DONE."
-Tom Petty
Except he said “you know” about 4 times in between this haha. So right though, so thankful for the grunge movement, changed my life in so many ways ❤
Layne and Jerry started it not Kurt
@@williamberry8895Lane and Jerry were Glam before grunge. I graduated in 93, so I grew up with both genres and loved’em both! 🤘
@@williamberry8895 sound garden was the first grunge band to make a name outside of the Seattle scene
@@williamberry8895 Grunge was around before both of those bands. Neither of them invented grunge. Nirvana brought it mainstream though
i love guitar driven music. grew up listening to van halen, police, ratt and so on. and in 87 i had a couple friends make me a mixed tape with circle jerks, dead kennedys and the like...i went to college and grunge started happening...listening to college radio and MTV and getting into my bloody valentine and the likes.
the thing with me is this. what lyrics are going to be more relatable to mature people (over 16 years old)? "i want action" or "francis farmer will have her revenge"? "let it go" def lep and "heading out to the high way" judas priest, "toast of the town" motley crue were in my spotify wrapped but the rest is made up of alternative bands the are current. but like i said...if its got great hooks and is up tempo then im for it...OH, i totally go for female vocals and female bands. thats the majority of what i listen to.
Here i am, a 1994 kid, listening to a big mixture of all this stuff, and I get to enjoy multiple generations, sometimes in one big Playlist. Its fucking awesome and I cherish how much good shit we used to have. Today's stuff is just not the same, for better or worse.
@kyfaydfsoab i didnt say that.
In the late 80s I was in college and I was listening to bands that were up and coming at the time: Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth etc. I despised most of the hair metal/glam stuff that was really popular and getting radio play and videos played all over MTV while thrash was ignored. I was also getting into the alternative music that was coming out around that time like Jane's Addiction, The Pixies, Red Hot Chili Peppers.
When I graduated college in 1990 it seemed like music immediately underwent that transformation. I totally loved the Grunge movement and felt the songwriting was more heartfelt and the music had that hard edge and rocked without all the bands prancing about the stage dressed up in ridiculous spandex and bandanas with the teased hair and makeup. The focus was on making and performing music and not a fashion show with a song and dance. That should have been left to Boy George and Culture Club.
100%
This is why I loved grunge.
AIC, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam all started on Headbangers Ball. Soudgarden went on tour with Skid Row. Great concert..
Motorhead, although not a glam band survived through it all! They kept it going with their sound up til Lemmy's death! Even after the band broke up due to Lemmy's death, people still love them! Iron Maiden were doing good until Bruce Dickinson left and Judas Priest released Painkiller, which is an awesome record, but went downhill because Rob Halford left. Sepultura and Megadeth were doing really well for themselves in the 90s.
New wave bands died out as well, but The Cure, Depeche Mode and Duran Duran were doing well for themselves.
I would say that the two best grunge bands were Soundgarden and Stone Temple Pilots! Awesome bands with two great voices.
No iron maiden downhill agreed
Motorhead were almost a punk rock band. Just like Nirvana.
RIP Lemmy
Motorhead transcended musical genres, they just kept doing their thing regardless of what current trends dictated. That's why they remained relevant for 40 years, and only stopped when Lemmy died.
Nikki Sixx: "it's like 'Dinosaur Music'" 💉 💉 💉
Dinosaur Jr.: "yeah, so what?" 💵 💵 💵
Grunge and “hair” (I prefer to say glam) metal co existed for a good while. Some like AIC and pearl jam even had glam roots. Nu metal (which I despised at the time but now appreciate a little) blew glam away. But we got the memories and it still survives in the hearts and minds of those who grew up in those happy halcyon days. When I feel like shit I don’t wanna listen to someone telling me what a wank life they have. I wanna be cheered up, dragged out of my situation and rock out 🤘🏻
It’s cool how some of those hair rockers like Nikki Six and Tommy Lee didn’t just predict it but wished it.
Def Leppard was never hair metal. They were Hard Rock.
The third and fourth album were hair metal, but I prefer their rock era
Bobby blotzer had the funniest reaction. It would have been hilarious to see some 80’s rockers walking down Hollywood Blvd like they’re homeless
It’s interesting to follow the growth , evolution and changes in the harder parts of the rock genre. It , kind of , started around mid to late 60’s with ”Hard rock” , as it was called , into early 70’s. Tweaked into glam around -73 to -76. Went punk in the later half and took a step back to heavy metal again. Then thrash was born alongside sleaze , before hair took over everything. The Seattle wave pushed the reset button hard and the number of subgenres just exploded. I lost the decently good overlook around/between -09 and -12.
I agree with Vince Neil and I also agree with Tommy Lee and Nikki Sixx
I've always been confused why Hair Metal was so criticized for the 'excess' and the sameness. Yet for decades just about every other genre I can think of is about excess and it all sounds the same.
No idea?
@@bezoticallyyours83 I guess maybe people were just sick of it at the time and were ready for something new. Maybe people now are just use to being given the same thing, and so accept it but it wasn't that way back then. Maybe people now don't accept sameness as much as I think? It's all still a head scratcher.
@@douglasjarnagan3835 I can understand being tired of something yes. I'm out of the loop, so am not sure what all new forms of music have come out since nu metal? Viking metal, mumble rap, videogame rock, electro-swing perhaps? But surely someone must have made a new and exciting music genre recently right? Or is it all tapped out for the time being?
Vince Meal hates grunge loves cheesecake...
I listened to bands that I liked, genre didn’t make a difference. Just becoming a teenager in the late 90’s, I grew up with the mesh of grunge and metal. The Grunge style was definitely common by that time - most 80’s styles died a quick death and thank god for that! I really don’t like when people refer to Alice In Chains as grunge music! That’s like telling young kids who haven’t heard them that they’ll sound like Pearl Jam! That’s insulting, AIC was a great metal band that happened to come from the location and time of the grunge movement. Layne had an incredible unique voice…
What. A great time to be alive for all of it
Tom Kiefer still sounds amazing on vocals.
Well we still had Metallica Megadeth Pantera Aerosmith and a bunch of other bands that made it through
2022...grunge is still great