WTF Happened to Grunge?
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- Опубликовано: 12 окт 2021
- In Episode 4 of our 30 Years of Grunge series, we take a look into exactly why grunge died out in the mid-1990s.
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Chriss Cornell said it best back in the early 90's. "Soon we will need an alternative to Alternative."
We really do nowadays, but it feels like the powers that be won't allow any type of rock music to dominate, due to the Woke movement. If the powers that be opened up for new Rolling Stones and hungry, young bands to soar, it would knock Hip-Hop of the charts, and That is the problem. People with money can no longer facilitate White people to be musically successful any more. The Alt music thing was the last real organic rock movement. It was truly overwhelming to artists who just wanted to make a living from music, not work in a warehouse, but didn't plan to become the next David Cassidy or Jon Bon Jovi! What happened was heroin and shying away from MTV and mainstream fame of true Bohemian artists: it makes too much sense that real artists hated being one of the "popular kids". RIP Kurt, Layne, Scott Weiland, and Chris Cornell (the most beautiful man in rock history and I'm a straight man).
@@Jamestele1 have you seen the highest grossing movies for 2022? 99% are superhero movies. Why ? Because they sell that’s it. Today businesses (music too ) don’t want to take risks with new stuff . As long as rap ,trap and pop makes them money nothing will change and same for movies …now throw in the woke crap and no way rock comes back to mainstream any time soon 🤷
Nirvana was woke af.
@@Merdle you're literally in an alternative subculture discussion
It's simple
1. Kurt Cobain killed himself causing the media to "claim" grunge is dead
2. Pearl jam started shying away from promoting themselves and live shows
3. Alice in Chains became very inactive because Layne's substance abuse
4. Soundgarden retiring in 1997 was the final nail in the coffin.
Exactly, 1996 was the last year for Soundgarden, Screaming Trees and Alice, plus Pearl Jam released No Code which was pretty different from their "standard" sound
@Joshua Fult. Are we forgetting Post Grunge?
That’s sort of true, not to compare them too much, the last big (post) grunge band in America Bush were fading by 98 so it was certainly in its knees after Soundgarden broke up.
But then There's Nickelback with their grunge album was release in 1996 & 1999
@@fazi.smkn1indonesia100 it’s a joke you even mentioned them
this video makes me kinda sad ngl... it's hard being born in the 2000's and getting into grunge music but not being able to really enjoy it because like all of the singers are dead or because most bands broke up years ago
Two things.
1, Get into all the mid to smaller bands that made up the movement, like Coffin Break, Bundle of Hiss, Napalm Beach, Truly, The Fluid, Love Battery, Rein Sanction, Gruntruck, Blood Circus, etc.
2, Get into the modern grunge bands, like Superheaven, The Jins, Bodoni, Union Youth, Nape, Cable35, etc
Grunge lives
Being born in 1982 is a good thing.
Grunge initially was just about underground punk and metal bands on subpop ect, getting signed to big labels. It than became a giant commercial giant destined to die once safe bands like Nickleback and Creed came along.
uhmm u have Post grunge and nu metal? whos pretty similar so its not that bad
That seems preferable to losing musicians one loves while they're alive
Grunge pre-emptively killed itself: Cobain in '94, AIC practically out of action by 1995 (Staley dead in 2002), Soundgarden broke up in 1997 (Cornell in 2017), Pearl Jam 'we don't want to be famous' MTV and Ticketmaster boycott. Most of these bands knew in 1991 when the major label and MTV vultures swarmed on Seattle that it was going to be turned into a trend that would tire out soon...and none of them wanted anything to do with it...just like the last trend. None of these bands overstayed their welcome (and if anything, they cut it way too short: Nirvana only had In Utero after their breakthrough, AIC had the self-titled after Dirt, Soundgarden had Superunknown and DoU, and Pearl Jam just kept going in their self-imposed low keyness) unlike the hair metal bands. There's actually a funny interview with Cobain and Novoselic in late '91 or early '92 where they're asked about Seattle breaking out and Novoselic basically saying that it's going to be uncool in a couple of years and when the teens are in their late 30s/early 40s it will be grunge nostalgia in 2013! I think these bands wanted to be in control of their own narrative before they became cogs in the music industry only be to discarded to make way for the next trend, and this inevitably meant some form of self-destruction - whether disbanding or suicide or od'ing. Nu-metal never got to 'destroy' grunge.
So right. When I hit my 30s the teenage, early 20s angst was in the past. Nirvana turned nostalgic. I didn’t start listening to the old songs until I hit my 40s.
@VladD. So are we forgetting when Grunge became Post Grunge, do people not remember Post Grunge?
Good points! One of the things that people also ignore about this all is that pretty much NONE of the bands that lead the "scene" wanted what MTV was offering at the time; the rock star life style. Nirvana were...Nirvana. Cobain was the leader and he wasn't into the press. Soundgarden were outright mean to groupies and didn't want to do performative BS. Pearl Jam got fucked over by a reporter and stopped doing interviews and AIC stopped dealing with the press, particularly with their situations with Stayley and Starr. The movie "Hype" goes over how much these band RESENTED what happened to them; how they were lumped into this made up Genre that they weren't into and then made responsible for it.
Your Comment sums it up nicely . It died along with most of its Originators . And just plain Over Saturation .
@@nu-metalfan2654 Is that a thing? LOL...not saying it isn't, just never heard the term (but I tend to not like genres so...)
Grunge is still alive to me. I still listen to all the bands I fell in love with in the 90's
I like all the grunge bands but AIC is my favorite ❤ Layne voice his control I was breath taking. The 70s rock is my passion also. R I P to all of the ones we lost.❤
Amen. I’ll listen to Alice In Chains till the day I die.
@AdmiralOddSock damn right mike is a good guitarist have you seen him play “November Hotel” in Moore Theatre 1995
YES!!!
And they Easily make the best current music.. AIC and Jerry's Solo stuff
Same here
Same here man.
However, AIC with Duvall is still awesome. I loved Layne but it shouldn’t take away from the work they’ve put out since their comeback. I’ve seen them a few times and listen to these records regularly.
Grunge is poetry of a sad heart. Its probably why I love and relate to grunge music, and many people do.
I relate to Grunge music, most Specifically
Well said I 100% agree🙂🤘✌
Grunge music groups, Nirvana Alice in Chains
The genre isn't dominant/mainstream as it was 30 years ago, but it ain't dead. There are younger people starting to notice their music and keeps inspiring future great musicians.
Yea yea...
I'm not a huge rap fan... but...
A troubled young man...LiL PeeP... who has already died...RIP...has cited Cobain as a huge influence..
Chevelle... Deftones.. Ain't that new... Current Alice in Chains.. and Jerry Cantrell..
Highly suspect..
@@shadowsanddust2 the soundcloud era of hip hop from like 2015 to 2017 had a lot of similarities to the grunge movement in the 90s, especially artists like Peep and XXXTentacion, a lot of the artists also met the same fate as grunge artists
@@XxOrangesoda2610xXKid Cuddi is a huge Nirvana Fan.
@@XxOrangesoda2610xXit could’ve been influenced by grunge in what ‘happened’ to them, but a lot of them were fatherless and troubled
Looks like every music genre and most Artists reach a point or only have so much to give. I believe that after Stone Temple Pilots, grunge faded away in the late 90s.
As an STP fan, I appreciate the mention. Some people don't even consider STP as grunge.
Was the early 2000s but as far as grunge goes you could see cracks as early as 1993 and 1995 id say is the year that broke the camels back
@@sweiland75 I might b wrong but da only real grungy stone temple pilots song to me is Sex Type Thing, love STP
@@cba.literallycant. yes, i see it also. Prolly after da passing of Kurt Kobain
@@dsanchez9703 yea but people forget that grunge didnt start in 1991, id say it was 1988-1994 and 91-93 was the height, even before Kurt died he personally seemed over the grunge thing as well
Badmotorfinger is my favourite album of all time. I hope Soundgarden can release the whole live back catalogue in the future.
Kurt Cobain simultaneously killed both hair metal as well as grunge.
30 years of grunge? It's kinda difficult to say that since the period between 1985-1987 when Green River and Soundgarden debuted their recordings was very important for the next decade too.
Very true, but I think they mean the mainstream grunge, which started round '91
Don’t forget Motherlovebone.
@@map3384 And Malfunkshun
@@veru6907 Nope. 90, Soundgarden.
@@rossmusic25 They weren't mainstream tho yet, were they? Alice was the first to get a golden record and we could qualify that as mainstream and this was in '91, then Nirvana blew up
Nothing happened to grunge its still relevant too me.
not heard of shoegaze?
@@coryleblanc shoegaze was overshadowed by Grunge, shoegaze is on its way to the mainstream but grunge took over scene when smells like teen spirit blow up the air waves
I'm with you
My top 10 all time: 10 .Bam - Bam "Free fall from Space", 9.Screaming Trees"Sweet Oblivion" , 8.Mother Love Bone "Apple" 7.Pearl Jam" Ten" 6.Soundgarden "Louder Than Love" 5.Nirvana" Incesticide"4.Alice in Chains" Dirt" 3.Temple of the Dog 2. Soundgarden "Badmotorfinger" 1.Mad Season " Above"
Same thing with hair metal, nu-metal and disco. The music scene got over saturated with grunge and people eventually moved on to the next thing.
This is true. Nu-metal came right on the heels or grunge and borrowed much of it's aesthetic. Some people feel Korn + Rage are just as important as Nirvana + Pearl Jam.
@@miameramusic They are just as important if not more important, say what you will about nu metal but it's still thriving today much more than grunge is.
@@TheBridgesYouBurn Not really.
Hay that's what I said. Look up.
@@adeptdamage3669 That is debatable though. I went to the KoRn and Staind show last month and it was nearly sold out! And everybody was really into the whole show, especially during Korns set people lost their minds! lol And SlipKnot and Mudvayne are curently touring too, and I also heard Coal Chamber might reunite again soon. Nu Metal is certainly not dead, far from it!!
everybody died, or bands collapsed under the pressure of fame and vices. It may have been the most powerful, meaningful music rock had ever seen before or since, but that double edged sword made it the most vulnerable and fragile too. One wrong slip, and the groups fell. Hell, eddie veddar is literally the last living grunge singer of the big 4, aside from Jerry Cantrel. Even STP lost their lead singer, AND lost Chester Bennington who was in of himself a vocalist of that height too regardless of what you think of LP.
Grunge was never meant to be big, it was supposed to stay somewhat underground..but too many people related to it and it blew up..artists couldn't cope with that.
True!
It blew...
@@javiercisternasnajle Is that suppose to be a Nirvana pun?
@@ghostdrifts9791 nevermind and ten sold more than 10 millions.
Facelift and Superunknown sold more than 1 millions.
Underground?
@@jarumsuntik4099 That's because grunge already blew up that point! like i said It was never meant to be that popular! read the comment properly before you comment! Grunge was around way before them albums were released.
Alice In Chains Unplugged- Opus Magnum of MTV shows ,after that april 96 show it never be same anymore.Awesome form of farewell
Alice in Chains were the best.
i´d say Nirvana and AIC were the best, i just dont like the new AIC. Pearl Jam had 3 okay songs, Soundgarden had 3 okay songs. Love everything with Nirvana, in the begning i only listened to 3 AIC now love the Layne Staley Era
Definitely should listen to ten, Superunkown, and facelift full through might change your perspective
Amen
I only revisit grunge now whenever I'm either super depressed, super high or both.
Shame. It should be a staple. It's too good to waste
I feel for you...just like suicide
I feel mad season never gets enough love
I’ll never forget reading a RS article that said “1999” was the most influential year in music during the 20th century. Haha. Because of Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, Incubus ect. Because people started scratching records with metal. For fuck sake. Not 1966 or 1991…199fuckin9 I love Linkin Park but that’s when I knew RS didn’t know what the fuck they were talking about.
RS Never knew what they we’re talking about. Just look at their album reviews as an example. Just a corporate boomer rag.
I thought hybrid theory was 2000?
Genres don't actually die, but how do you manage to implement it?
sometimes what used to rule in other times come embarrassing this years.
Music evolves, so we consumers leave all behind.
@Septimus Silva. Well Psychedelic Rock, Disco, Glam Rock, Ska, Hair Metal, Classic Punk, New Wave, Grunge/Post Grunge, Boom Bap Rap, 90’s Gangster Rap, 00’s Crunk Rap, Hard Rock, Nu-Metal/Rap Metal, Alt Rock/Alt Metal, Groove Metal, and Funk Metal are genres we don’t see or hear anymore.
Genres like Indie, Hardcore, Metalcore, Deathcore, and Djent/Modern Prog we hear a lot today and have for the past 15 years, and genres like Thrash Metal, Doom Metal, Black Metal, Death Metal, Emo, and PoP Punk have had revivals in recent years.
So it seems to me if you’re an Extreme Metal fan, a Djent/Modern Prog fan, a Hardcore/Metalcore fan, an Indie fan, a modern PoP/Trap fan, or a Emo/PoP Punk fan then music has been good to you in recent years, but if you like anything else then music hasn’t been good to you in recent years.
So genres do die out, some might have a small revival scene and others might not
except drugs. they are better then ever before. Nirvana could of had own strain of weed called nirvana og
Genres die believe me. Maybe not general like rock or jazz but subgenres certainly die.
Nope true music fans don’t follow mainstream and the brainless waves. Listen to what gets you through the day with whatever works for your own empowerment. Fuck everyone else’s personal perspectives
@@nu-metalfan2654 Yes and i have said this all the time -- and that is almost EVERY genre of music has a window and then "popular youth" move on to something else. Disco was popular in the 70s for a couple years, then came the british invasion of heavy metal, then came more commercial metal then hair metal, then grunge was popular for a couple years, then came industrial music (M Manson, Ministry, Stabbing westward) then came Nu Metal for 4-6 tears in mid to late 90s or so then came the garage rock revival in early mid 2000s (Modest mouse, white stripes, the strokes etc)....... This has happened over time, younger music fans change and grow and some does the taste in music! are there other factors? of course there are but its just happens and you cant really blame any 1 thing IMO
Although I wasn’t a fan of grunge, the 90’s were the last era for mainstream music that actually involved real instruments; guitar, bass, drums, etc. There’s been a 20-25 year drought of anything that even closely resembles rock n roll. What we’ve had since then are solo artists that use auto tune vocals and have huge egos for nothing. The shit music of today sounds like it comes off an assembly line. One dimensional with no soul.
@@ThESkAnKiEsTfRaNkThAtEvErWaS Yes, indie and lesser known music is still thriving, but mainstream radio has been overtaken and dominated by synthetic garbage for the past couple of decades.
@@ThESkAnKiEsTfRaNkThAtEvErWaS Same here, but there was a time where different genres of music were a valid part of mainstream radio. There was variety, which is actually good for keeping people’s minds open to different things.
@@richmoreno9938 your right. There was still plenty of garbage but there seemed to be WAYYYYY more variety then and there were definitely moment's of brilliance.
Then stop listening to mainstream stuff ..
@@denver-gi7ot I don’t, but it does leak through various sources. It’s simply an observation.
Damn…. That comment Buzz made about Kurt……. Out of everyone who has ever talked about him he seems like he really truly cared for Kurt.
Soundgarden will still be my number 1 band of that era
One of the most experemental sounds and not only in Grunge Rock. Chris Cornell R.I.P - your music was the inspiration for me personally.
Kurt died. Soundgarden broke up in 1996. Layne fell off the map with drugs. Pearl Jam and STP went into their own directions and toured sporadically. Billy Corgan made Adore after Mellon Collie which was more of a Goth-y electronic album.
It just ran its course.
Plus it got watered down by all of the copy cat bands that weren't as good like Candlebox, Seven Mary Three, etc.
Candlebox was formed and released their first album when grunge was still a huge thing, and their singer was a friend of Andrew Wood
They were also from Seattle
Not copycats, they just were close with the sound, so they sounded similar
Candlebox is great. Still good at what they do.
@@richardgarciaiii2246 Lol. I knew whatever bands I mentioned as the "copycat" bands that broke into the mainstream after...someone would be coming to their defense. I didn't say they were all bad, I just said it got watered down after awhile.
Ha ha. For the most part you are right. I just have a real soft spot for Candlebox who have written many songs that I hold dear. Plus, they´re still doing it along with Pearl Jam!
CURRENT.... ALICE and Jerry Cantrell are great..
Newer Nine Inch Nails..
I can answer this question in ten “words.” Kurt died. Then Creed went “heer mah cleer muh ham.” Next question
Lolz
I counted the number of words and surprisingly it's actually 10 words. lol
now that you mentioned Creed, I just remember how weird and corny their Music Videos with too much zoom in zoom out weird visual shit
@@zackzallie8735 hahaha
@@arnoldstallonereeves7469 bro totally. And the introspective glares with the big dick rockstar foot on the monitor energy
By the way STP does not get enough credit in my opinion
Stone Temple Pilots, Core was the first CD I ever bought. I got it from K-Mart of all places. There was one a few blocks from my house.
Very well put together and extremely great work on Lauryn’s part for presenting this so well. Glad I watched! AIC, Nirvana and Sound Garden were a huge part on my youth. I was in middle school during this era.
I was a kid from the PNW in the music scene in the early 90s and I can tell you, we all would absolutely CRINGE at the word “Grunge” when we heard it. It felt like a marketing term. None of us used it... in fact, when I would hear it, I would associate it with parents and corporate media, not with what we were involved with.
Actually, Mark Arm (Mudhoney) used the term to describe his band's sound in the early 80s and a producer of Sub-Pop records used the term to describe Nirvana's music in the late 80s.
We? Us?
Grunge came at the perfect time because mainstream rock in the 80s sucked. Beside alternative stuff like the Replacements, REM, Janes Addiction etc rock was dying. When Grunge hit it was a reawakening. Alice In Chains just pulled me in. Those were such great times.
Buzz is so right about Washington I lived there 44 years and it’s a very depressing place -3 months out of the year he’s so right I’m glad to hear somebody else feel the same way
Superunknown sounds like a greatest hits album, every single song is superb
*The moment Kurt pulled that trigger, that was basically it despite the fact that he even wore more than once a* "Grunge Is Dead" *shirt because he saw the fads anywhere & everywhere.*
He never pulled the trigger. Agree with it disappearing with him though.
Grunge may have died that day, but Courtney Love's career took off like a rocket.
@@miameramusic Her bank account sure did. Not sure about her career.
Kurt killed hair metal as well as killed grunge over a 5 yr run. Pretty impressive
@@skyguy501sthe pulled the triggered stop denying it bud
It was a great honour and biggest pleasure to grew up at the begining of 90s, Seattle sound ,all great riffs ,songs ,shows absolutely remarkable time in music
I'm a bit young to have been part of that scene, but I do appreciate what it did for music. Great little documentary on this
I remember the first time I saw the video for Nirvana Smells like Teen Spirit, I had never felt a connection to music like that before. I felt it in my whole body, I had always loved music, but grunge took my love to a whole new level, that I still have today. I knew in that moment music was about to change.
Grunge was like one of those bugs that lives for over a decade in a cocoon, flies around for a couple days, mates and dies. By the time it was in the mainstream it was already on its deathbed; it was an insular local scene and suddenly all the bands flew away.
As much as I love grunge music, I think Rob Zombie hit the nail on the head in saying that the whole grunge image (or lack thereof) is what set the death of rock in motion. Before the 90's rock bands were bigger than life and were almost super-hero type figures. After grunge completely deemphasized that people had to look to other genres of music to find those bigger than life figures. The aura and mystique of rock and roll was pretty much killed by grunge because they were so outspoken about how they didn't want to be viewed in that light. Everyone enjoys a bigger than life figure to look up to and there just hasn't been anyone like that in rock music in decades. GNR was kind of the last band that had the mystique and were viewed as bona fide stars.
That’s a good point, most of the grunge rockers were fairly humble and didn’t enjoy the success. Guess it was kinda rebellious because it was against the norm.
I see Rob's point, but it helped give birth to bands like Sebadoh, and showed how you can record your album in your bedroom and still be awesome.
@@nonameman7114 You hit the nail on the head. Record labels couldn't market honesty and reality. So that's when we started seeing Backstreet Boys, Brittney + Spice Girls.
Grunge was a direct reaction to the cartoonish super-hero type figures of Rock. Things go in cycles and it had to go that way.
Also bands like Marylin Manson popped up and became huge after grunge who had a tone of mystique
It's true to an extent. Nu Metal came after that and I would argue that bands like Korn, Slipknot, Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit, Manson (though not nu metal) and quite a few others were still viewed as big rockstars... and most of them still are. All of them sold millions or records and lived crazy rock star lives... what you said is accurate but I'd say rock dying out was set in motion no in the middle of 90's but in the middle of 00's. Even then there were other genres that were pretty huge like all the Emo stuff of My Chemical Romance, Panic at the disco, Paramore... big big bands... still millions of records sold still big influence. But yes most of these bands had less of a mystique because they pushed the envelope even further in terms of being vulnerable and genuine... something that Grunge set into motion. Largely all of this has more to do with times also changing and everyone basically being a celebrity with all the social media and regular people on RUclips having the ability to become millioners and actually doing so. But it's all cyclical and rock is actually making somewhat of a comeback but it's just less genuine and that will probably never change... it's like the code has been cracked and everyone knows what's up because there's too much information out there at this point. Nothing is really a mystery at this point unfortunately.
I was a teenager in the 90's grew up with grunge grew up in a shitty city we're it's cold and snowing most of the year and warm for three months nothing to do but get high and play music the 90's will always hold a special spot in my heart cause of the great bands seeing them live and being an addict and being depressed. I'm still fighting addiction at this very moment I'm only 24 days clean and it still doesn't get easy I can't sleep no more it's 4:25 am eastern time I can't sleep my girlfriend and our 4 year old are sleeping I'm up sleepless for three days straight now addiction is no dam joke it's hard puking and shitting yourself when you don't have your fix it's one hell of a sad thing to go through, I'm still fighting all these years later to stay sober I wanna get high just to sleep but I gotta get better for my family or I will end up dead it's fucking hard!!!!!
Stay STRONG brother!
@@richardgarciaiii2246 thank you so much brother!!!! I'm trying hard it's been a long lonely battle but I really do appreciate the support I need it this is the hardest thing I've ever gone through!!! Again thank you so much it does mean a lot to hear that!!!!
@@pissbridge You can do it! Keep at it one day at a time, and it will eventually get better. It will be worth all the pain you're going through now. Do it for your family. Do it for yourself. When you can't sleep, just lay down and rest while listening to your favorite music. You might search RUclips for "ASMR for sleep" during those long nights. Those channels help me when there's no one else around. I don't know you, but I'm very proud of you for what you're doing! You are strong and brave. You're making a better life for you and your little girl!
It's hard to get clean. Hoping for the best. Hugs
Stay with it im 37 live in ny central im a recovering addict been clean now for 5 years now I knew it was time when everyone I grew up with is dead now sad my best friend I grew up with went to jail for 7 months the day he got out 5 hours out he relapsed and died only 5 hours out sucks he had kids to I dnt but what I'm saying is it is not worth it it gets easier believe me i used for 22 years opiates and cocaine family to me my wife my brother and sister mom etc also animals that's really what matters all that other nonsense is fake and straps u of life plz I hope ur still trying it's worth it believe me ur friend josh jpd peace out stay strong hold ur head hi and press on
Great job! Well made video! Thank you
Greetings from La Paz, Bolivia!!!
🤘🏻🇧🇴
The 90's and the GRUNGE was a cultural revolution of the 20th century
Was at a HS party in 1991. I was 15. Nirvana was paying on the radio. Everyone was in a trance. All of us were head bobbing and tapping our feet. At the end of the song. Some guy jumps up and said “ What the fuck was that? It’s the next Elvis… Grunge exploded and got rid of the shitty hair bands I hated. HS was magical with grunge. Every car in the HS parking lot played AIC or Nirvana or Soundgarden. It was insane. I have never seen a huge music explosion like Grunge. The music spoke to us Younger Gen X kids. Our Baby boomer parents did not want us or care about us. Their love was their job. Even as a teen in the burbs. I worked at 15 year round in HS at the grocery store. I blew out my 4x6 speakers in my station wagon at 16. I would roam the streets out of anger and vandalize cars and buildings. We had no crefews. Cops left us alone. I wish I went to concerts as a teen. They were always on a school nite or when I worked. I did not start going to concerts till my early 20s. I have 9 year olds. I refuse to let them listen to the music. I want them to find their music…
For me it will never die ❤️🤘🏼
My kids have grown up hearing the various grunge groups on the radio, Nirvana was one they heard a lot and were telling me they were a favorite at school which they found comical because nobody seemed to know anything but Teen Spirit. My 20 y/o recently asked me for a copy of my Nevermind. I put a copy on his thumbdrive and a couple hours later he came back telling me it was one of the most incredible albums he'd ever heard.
Kurt lives!
"Grunge" died because it wasnt original any longer. Bands were changing thier styles from what they were playing to that of grunge to fit into the scene and it became generic.
Thats how i feel about Pearl Jam. They began rockin then looked and sounded like they became folk music or something
@@dsanchez9703 ahhh but Eddies pain now really comes through.
PJs alright even with their changes.
@@daBEAGLE1017 i hear u, last song i really like from them is dissident mayb
The vast majority of grunge bands, 99.999% of them, never got out of the underground scene. They put out a single, maybe a couple EP's and then split up. The bands that broke big mostly split up pretty quickly. Pearl Jam being the only exception, but they didn't stick to the grunge sound, like a lot of bands they evolved into something else.
Grunge still exists today in the form of a new underground scene.
@@dsanchez9703 my Dad has always described them as a jam band.
Fifteen years of not having to be judged on your decisions is what happened to grunge
Popular music today is “dog shit” because of an overprivileged youth…
The world got their FINAL warning in the 1990’s
If you really want a in depth, detailed story of grunge, you should check out the novel, Everybody Loves Our Town by Mark Yarm which explains how grunge started in Seattle and blew up across the world.
Feels like everyone jumped ship away from the low fi sound of grunge after a while such a unique sound u just don’t hear today
Grunge at its core-concept made it extremely hard to sustain in the mainstream. I'm amazed it lasted as long as it did.
-Its anti-rock star image made it extremely hard for bands after the "Drab Four" (Nirvana, Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, and Pearl Jam) to make it big without seeming like phonies or bandwagoners.
-Unlike hip-hop in the 90s which was all about getting out of the ghetto and making money, the grunge-sound was really hard to corpratize; not just because the bands were so anti-corporate. Its gritty and sour sound would be a turn-off to most people unless the vocalist is especially talented like Eddie Vedder or had a sense of conviction like Kurt Cobain; and the songwriting felt personal. No way Motley Crue or Warrant would ever write a song like "Polly" or "Jeremy".
-It was a genre that didn't have any real grounding. It was just a way to lump in the rock/metal bands that didn't make party-songs (with some exceptions like "Smells Like Teen Spirit".) The "drab-four" all had completely different sounds. Nirvana were punk but slower and heavier, Pearl Jam were a hard-rock/blues jam-band, Alice in Chains were 80s metal, and Soundgarden were 70s heavy-metal. Today, when someone mentions "grunge" most people think of foggy-guitars and yarling vowel-singing (so Pearl Jam)
-The genre's projection of "realness" was nigh unattainable and caught up to it in the worst possible way. The death of Kurt Cobain felt like an endpoint; when grunge gets "too real". The gap between art and artist, closed.
I sincerely miss grunge. The 90s was the final great decade
Grunge died with Layne Staley 😢
Wow, I want the presenter's shirt! Coolest AIC shirt I've ever seen!
I always thought grunge's conflict was the int'l stardom and notoriety after coming from such an insular community. It's hard to think now that Seattle wasn't widely known 30+ years ago. Now it's commonplace and the city is famous for other things. I can understand it being difficult and for others to treat your city like the Sunset Strip or NY, etc. when it's a small and chilly NW town.
Love this long in depth content
Yes! I could talk about this shit forever...🤘
Few things I wanted to add.
1: Grunge's whole estetic was not being mainstream, but once it got big. People that you would never expect to see at an Alternative rock concert were suddenly coming to see these groups. The kind of people that having successful lives, loving parents, growing up in upper class neighborhoods. That actually didn't get what the music was all about. People that if they saw Kurt and Chris in School. They would've either rejected them for dates OR Beat them up for fun.
AIC was the best one out of the grunge-wave bands!!
Well arguably I'd say Soundgarden,but I agree that AIC stood out among the rest because of their tone,lyricism,and vocal harmonies.
Indeed.
@@brandonstandberry8236 Bad Motorfinger was the only Soundgarden album I really liked. Mother Love Bone, Pearl Jam, Nirvana are my favorites. My two cents
By far my favorite band of the era.
As a Metalhead it was Alice in Chains that was the gateway into appreciating Alternative Rock bands and I know I’m not the only one who can say that. Dirt is one of my favourite albums ever and I also love their DuVall era stuff too.
When they say “Grunge killed Metal” that confuses the hell out of me because to me what AIC was doing was a lot closer to the spirit of Black Sabbath than what Poison was doing.
To all my fellow gen z who wish they were teenagers in the 90s or 80s we can't go back but we might somehow someway bring new rock and new metal back and greatness
Grunge was like the gate from the darkness and boredom of glam hair metal era then embracing into the light and prospective era of more various genre and anykind sound of rock you need, Just named it they would came up around you..just to mention how magnificient and important the 90's era as the golden era of various rock musics... Hail 90's we all miss you a lot..
Growing up in Aberdeen I will never forget how exciting it was to see these bands from your home region make it.. all of these bands were the soundtrack to so many thousands of peoples lives including mine. It’s like what Buzz said about Kurt, I just wish these guys were still alive.. RIP to all of you guys… Layne, Kurt, Chris, and Mark saved me through so many of my dark times and had the biggest impact on me.
I believe it was right around the time Keanu formed a grunge band. That might have sped up the extinction process a little.
Great actor but too late for the grunge party.
@@map3384 I must admit, I don't even remember what they sounded like. I just remember a line around the block at Irving Plaza for their show and they didn't even have an album yet.
Too depressing, as much as it was great for us kids growing up, it was basically one dimensional and basically catering to youth that felt abandoned and rejected, to those who never felt lie they had a chance!
Everyone died, except for Eddie Vedder. Next question
WOAHHHHHH I'M STILL ALIVE
@@toxic_teaaa7810 I was just thinking that
It's true, Eddie lives! But Pearl Jam sort of became the Grateful Dead, y'know?
@@miameramusic I don’t hear the comparison. I can actually ya know…….LISTEN, to Pearl Jam
@@rossmusic25
I think she meant more in terms of a touring band with a cult-like following where fans describe the shows as being an 'experience' with a 'festival' type feel.
Was brought up on grunge and without trying to plug too much lol, the songs I write and record have a heavy grunge influence!
There are still some modern grunge bands out there just not being noticed enough, I'm also learning electric guitar, so one day I could make some grunge songs.
It’s a shame how quickly that grunge scene fizzled and its figureheads left us, when compared to the ‘80s glam rock scene they replaced.
Five years (‘91-‘96?) VS ten years (‘81-‘91?), give or take. (For example Poison and Motley and Warrant released some of their best music at the height of grunge in ‘92-‘94).
The glam bands had the same pressures and temptations (and over a longer period of time) but they also had more of a positive support system it seems.
I can’t knock the grunge bands for keeping it real, but there’s obviously something to be said for the positivity of the glam rock scene. Many of those bands are still around today, while we only have a handful of the grunge bands left.
R.I.P. Kurdt The King of Rock and the Leader of Grunge. All the Grunge bands were great and had great music. All those Unplugged’s are Classics.
For me, I love Leave a Whisper. To the point I count it in my top 5 all time favorites.
Shine Down connected with me, the way Nirvana did with others.
Grunge is a style and a unique sound that will never die!
A record exec who remained nameless said that in the early to mid nineties, as grunge was gaining mainstream popularity, so was gangsta rap. He attended a meeting with all the top labels and some corporate reps. I think the company was Serco or something like that. They're a global powerhouse. The company even produces my country's driver licenses. Any hoo, the person said that, in that meeting all the companies were made an offer, pretty much told, that they were going to drop grunge and pump rap. Why? Cause, of demographics. These corporate reps, among other things, own prisons. The corp gets paid 80K a year per inmate and they own pretty much every private prison in the UK and Americas.
Ya this is a total conspiracy. The blogger could've made the whole thing up. back in 2012. But, Growing up in the 90s I was a fan of both genres. And I did notice that radio and video DJs stopped promoting grunge and Dre and Snoop were on the cover of rock magazines. Plus, if you do a quick google search on how many prisons that have been built since the 90's, there's definitely dots that could be connected. Any hoo, it was a cool story.
Damn, that's a new one on me. But I can see that happening!
Kurt was wearing a "Grunge is Dead" t-shirt in 1992...he knew what fads were, even if he was apart of it.
Edit: Not this again...Courtney found him on the floor and didn't call the ambulance for hours. The Dr. that treated Kurt stated that the amount of pills did not exist in his stomach. Courtney did not go to rehab, she went to a 5 star hotel and kept doing drugs. Is your source the 27 year old Rolling Stone issue that was full of misinformation? No one thought he was suicidal around him and the word was never used except from Courtney, after the fact. Get with the times. Justice for Kurt
Grunge killed rock. Grunge was not fun, grunge is kind of counter rock
@@fanenthusiast3802 Not it didn't. EDM/Hiphop killed rock after 2010 .....thats when the younger generation stop caring about rock.
@@vlcheish And eventually both of those genres will die out too hopefully. To each his own when it comes to musical taste but the music scene has been over saturated with rap for far too long. And there’s some decent rap fwiw
I hear you. Kurt even mentions in his liner notes that he's nothing but "the latest version of Cheap Trick". He was wrong, but he still knew what was happening.
@@fanenthusiast3802 Exactly. But that was the whole point, New Kids On The Block & Poison had run it's course. But then Spice Girls & Backstreet Boys put an end to all out miserable fun.
It started with Korn. That first record is great and sounded different.
Then we got new metal and teen pop rock.
Was at Lollapalooza 2 and Pearl Jam ran everyone off stage. Still the best live set I've ever seen to this day.
Jerry Cantrell is a God
Yes!
I love grunge it's my favorite genre
but its safe to say it died in 1998
Probably 1995. Mad Season was mad good.
@@map3384 I agree But Jerry Cantrell's Bogey
Depot came out in 98.
@BONE Alice in Chain's Self Titled came
out in 95
@ghost mall The only reason i say 98
because Jerry Cantrell's Bogey Depot
Came out in 98
@BONE Lmao 1996 is more accurate.
Good video. Thank you.
I am a Gen X guy. Grew up in Midwest. I was a junior in high school when Nevermind came out. One thing I can say about that type of music is that it was exciting when it first hit the scene. But then it died and became rotten and we had to put up with the absolute worst grunge wannabees for YEARS. It was awful. The aftermath was musically horrific. It went on for so long after the original scene died. At least when the hair band scene died, it really died promptly. Those bands and the entire scene went belly up and they were totally gone instantly. we did not have to put up with a decade more of hair band wannabees. It became extremely uncool and wasn't heard from in the following years. But the end of grunge was a big stinking mess of rotten eggs that hung around for years past its prime. The wannabee bands that followed for a decade (or more) are some of the worst bands I had ever heard. They were completely talentless.
Music industry kills everything great
Superunknown gets all of these accolades, but IMO it was the death knell for the band. I'll still listen to their earlier output, as Badmotorfinger and Louder Than Love are brilliant. 1992 Soundgarden at Lollapallooza blows 1994 Soundgarden live out of the water. It was like watching two different bands.
I saw Nirvana live in 91’ and remember the day he died! Brutally sad!
The same thing that always happens. The labels bled it dry and dropped it on its head. This is why now we only hear the same songs over and over again.
I think rock as a whole just reached its full potential in the 90s and early 2000s whereas a genre like rap is still constantly changing
what exactly in it is changing? we've been listening to the same thing for a decade now
@@littlesometin the beats always change, you can fuse many different genres into rap music. Different flows, different vocals, different mixes, mainly the beats though. All the different crazy sounds you can put into it. Like hate him or love him, playboy carti makes different music. I like his music but I can see how you’d hate it. But like look at the new rage genre it’s completely different. I love rock music but there’s not much more you can do better than the old mfs
@@cap4303Rap from the Mid-2000s is just mass produced sound that has no organic being.
80s and 90s Rap had strong roots in Blues Music.
As soon as I heard Bat Country on the radio in 2005, I knew this style of music (grunge) was officially over. It was nice to hear guitar solos again. Just my opinion.
Um.... I'm not gonna tell him. Someone else do it.
But Mike, Jerry and Kim had amazing solos
It's only Kurt wasn't shredding
And Kurt had guitar solos, too. They just weren't your typical guitar solos. It was either comping the vocal line, or was strictly noisy.
Zillakami of City Morgue is kinda bringing back the grunge sound but with a twist on his recently released solo album Dog Boy. Idk if that would count though since its like a hybrid
absolutely not LMAOO
Hmm, I saw Green River in a club and then a few years later everyone was famous! Anyway the name "grunge" may have died out, but hard rock / heavy rock / psychedelia and a more cerebral approach to lyrics lives on and for sure the music from this era holds up next to any other.
Alice In Chains is metal. They got lumped in with “grunge” because they are from Seattle and have shared roots with Pearl Jam, but sonically, they are metal.
No, their bass and drums sound very grungy, not metal-like.
Nah..they had 5 metal songs, but their discography is totally not metal
Nope. Not even.
@@OGGOAT23 which songs would you consider metal? I’m guessing you’d probably list It Ain’t Like That, We Die Young, and A Little Bitter to list a few ?
Definitely not
Does everybody forget STP? Them and AIC are the two best grunge bands for me. Feel like STP doesn’t get enough recognition for how much they brought to the genre and how good all their songs are. all of Core fucking hits.
Love your AIC shirt . Deadly
I miss Layne, but I saw them with William DuVall and they sounded amazing. Same duel harmonies plus an extra guitar, I'd see them anytime.
There’s a newer band that sounds kinda grunge to me I may be wrong but they were in my recommended and all I listen to is like nirvana and sound garden they’re called The Guest Survivors I don’t have a link they’re somewhere on RUclips lol
Kurt Cobain said AIC & PJ were HEAVY METAL BANDS that were posing as ALTERNATIVE/ PUNK just to cash in on the SEATTLE MUSIC SCENE. 😒 👨🎤 👨🎤
Kurt did?!
@@greyillusion8152 In the mid 80's Peal Jam & Alice n Chain were glamorous Heavy Metal BAND. Google it that what Cobain said . 😒 👨🎤👨🎤
Sears got hold of it.
Heroine & Suicide….man those first few lallapoolza’s were amazing.
Are there any new bands making grunge? Love the original stuff, but would love to hear a fresh take on the genre.
This music is not "Grunge" IT IS *ROCK AND ROLL* WHICH WILL BE AROUND FOREVER. All those bands are STILL in regular rotation on the radio. Kill the bullshit. Fame is evil. Fame has always been *EVIL* . Despite THAT FACT these bands were able to all get on the world stage, share timeless rock n roll and immortalize themselves. Rock n Roll will never die.
grunge is a sub genre of rock from Seattle? whats your point lmao
I love how Kourtney Love thinks she’s all innocent and all that. Nah. She’s the devil in carnation. She wants to say that Kurt was like that before they met. He did all the drugs and stuff BECAUSE of her
he took drugs to soothe his stomach pain
Thanks for another episode. Looking forward to the next and last one…until you do one on the actual global grunge revival happening now
Kurt died during my freshman year in college. Two posters on my dorm room wall were Nirvana and Pearl Jam. Perhaps to try something different as an alternative to alternative this same year I began listening to Phish & the Grateful Dead. Summer of 94 I went to my first two Phish shows July 8th and 9th in Mansfield and went to see Jerry Garcia & the Grateful Dead in the fall of 94 at the OLD Boston Garden!
You like acid huh?😂
It died when grunge died