SSA INVINCIBLEx complete idiot. dirks mavs was always in contention and 50 wins from 2000's. the meltdown in 2007 was due to donnie nelson gsw who gave dallas problems during the regular season.
Dirk did it all by himself. He never had any all-stars with him after Nash left. Dirk always had former all-stars with him -- after their prime. Dallas never could land the big free agents, even though Dirk gave away millions in salary so that they could sign some better players.
I've never heard anyone bring this up - 1999-2014 we only had 4 different teams as western conference champions - Lakers (x7), Spurs (x6), Mavericks (x2), Thunder (x1). That alone shows the "elite" company that Dirk's Mavericks held with Kobe's Lakers and Duncan's Spurs. Also, Dirk did carry his team. In his 14 yrs as an all-star, he played with few other all-stars (6 aggregate Allstar appearances): Michael Finley (AS 2000, 2001), Josh Howard (AS 2007), Jason Kidd (2010), Steve Nash (2002, 2003). Most of his success came with no other all-star teammates. Ginobli had Duncan (15x AS), Tony Parker (6x AS), and Kawhi Leonard (2x AS) for a total of 23 aggregate Allstar appearances. Also, Skip is a Spurs fan, so he's biased anyway...
LMAO. Dirk ranks higher than Ginobili. Top 3 PF of all time Edit: Dirk was a revolution as PF. He changed the game of Basketball. One of the best Play-off runs, one of the greatest scorer and shooter of all time. In my opinion top 3 PF.
@@TheCruzan26 duncan and Garnett are better but the other two your way off. I would rank dirk at 3. Malone and barkely never won the chip despite being on good team😁
and a final MVP, just you know, that little trophy :D Manu MAY have had a similar career if he hadn't choose to sacrifice for the Spurs but he had, so, Dirk goes up against him. Gg, let's go over
@Samuel A. Lim Dunno if the GOAT but for sure he may be kinda in another league in respect of Manu. Nothing to take off from Ginobili tho. Just Dirk was another kind of superstar
JAM mani sacrificed a lot of his stats and achievements playing for the spurs lol dude would’ve went to wayyyy more all stars games if he was on his own team like how dirk was
Skip! Come on man. Dirk is better than Ginobli. Ginobli had Tim Duncan, Kawhi Leonard, Tony Parker, etc. Dirk either had aging all stars past their prime or just good role players
Don't forget he also had prime Michael finley who was better than Howard and nick van exel. However dirk still a top 5 pf of all time and certainly above manu. Skip is delusional
@@osoarrogant9785 lol my dude is talking about Josh Howard and Devin Harris like they were perennial all stars. Josh Howard and Devin Harris each made the all star team once in their careers. Jason Terry never made an all star team.
Manu>Dirk? Manu beats Dirk? Dirks:21,8,2 vs Manu:13,4,4 *H2H reg.season* Dirk(24,10,2) vs Manu(18,4,4) *H2H PlayOffs* Love Manu but stop the nonsense...these stats are just tip of the iceberg.
Gray _ yeah cause beating the Trail Blazers first round, then sweeping the two time defending champs in the second round, and a young fast paced thunder team in conference finals was SOOO easy. We wouldn’t have won the finals if lebron wouldn’t have handed it to us...so much disrespect on dirk, almost as much as those fake coughs bron and wade were doing when dirk was sick in the finals
Matt Pham sheesh this was so awesome to watch when Cuban destroyed Skip's "arguments" like "Miami wanted it more than OKC" and "Durant was afraid of Lebron"
2nd best foreign player behind Hakeem Best European player ever Reinvented the stretch 4 and the idea of how 7 footers can play MVP and Finals MVP Top 5 scorer Not a Mavs fan but it's disrespectful to put Manu with Dirk
I guess draymond green is better than Karl Malone if thats his context cause at this point he just says things don’t believe him anymore I only come here to listen to Shannon sharpe
@@sampaoliandatealasampaolit4815 I get that but if was even in the same ballpark as dirk he would be a starter his entire career. Don't get me wrong Manu was really good and I cant take anything from him but he was a role player on a couple championship teams and Dirk was the super star on his. Manu is not better than Dirk end of story.
Skip "you just don't get it" No no skip, we all get it. You're a homer. If someone plays for the spurs they get elite skip status, unless they decide to leave
Hugo Ishiodori I mean to say he knows nothing about basketball is pretty stupid, he’s just clearly a San Antonio fanboy 😂😂 deep down he knows dirk is a way better player
Manu in 2005 was top 2 sg in the league and he deserved finals mvp vs one of the best defensive team of all time detroit , most of the people underestimade manu for being a 6 man
Tyson Chandler, Steve Nash, Shawn Marion, Jason Terry, Devin Harris. All solid players. Not saying he was part of a super team, but he always had good or at least decent players around him.
@@lukeiskandar1208 He he didn't have these guys for a long period of time with the exception of Jason terry. However, no offence these guys pales in comparison to the Lakers and Spurs with what Shaq and Duncan had. Shaq had Kobe, one of the best players ever and Duncan had Ginobli, Parker and a top league defender in Bruce Bowen.
@@lukeiskandar1208 u know you‘re wrong when you forget one of the only allstars he ever played with (and I mean allstar while he was playing with Dirk) in Jason Kidd, all the players u mentiondend were not in their prime except Chandler maybe and Terry
ill never forget his game 1 against OKC in the WCF. 48 points on 12 of 15 FG and 24 of 24 from the line. I think that playoff run is one of the most under appreciated of all time. He was amazing.
@@soccercodes7943 HAHAHAHAHA you must be as dumb, if not dumber, than Skip... First of all, Dirk had a ring basically stolen by the refs in 2006, then he redeemed himself in 2011. Secondly, the man changed the way 7 footers played the game, Manu didn't change anything except for popularizing the Eurostep because he was so herky-jerky when he played... and 3rd, 4 rings to 1... That 1 ring means more than all 4 of Manu's because Manu was carried to rings and the finals by his HOF teammates; whereas Dirk had to lead his team. He was by far, the best player on the 2011 Mavericks, which was one of the most surprising championship winning teams of all time. Nuff said.
Yes Sir first of all you admitted the europstep from Manu, more popular than dirks move, ginobili beat a whole dream team, did dirk Germany ever come close to that? Ginobili was not being carried by Duncan, ginobili was the mvp of 2005 and 2014 by far, popvovich admitted that without ginobili her is no championships, ginobili has a the best winning percentage in the history of the nba with atleast 1000 games, one a one ginobili beat dirk in the playoffs nearly every time, so I think u are the dumb one for not knowing history or valid arguments,
xXTetsu KuroXx ginobili Carried the spurs in every playoffs, he carried Duncan in 2005 and 2014 when the spurs were down 22-6 and rallied to bring them back, no Kawhi no duncan no Parker it was ginobili.
So... we’re talking ab Dirks retirement but somehow Skip ends up saying “if it wasn’t for Ray Allen hitting the greatest clutch shot of all time...” 🤦♂️
@@michaelharris9430 Shannon isn't obsessed as much as he's intrigued by Lebron and his greatness, however people that hate and want to discredit you are always obsessed with you and that is what Skip Bayless is with Lebron, obsessed.
Everyone’s talking about how Skip is saying that dirk is top 50 but ginobli is better, but no one is talking about the fact that skip has said Scottie isn’t too 50, which means skip has ginobli above Scottie pippen
I am from germany and i didnt know Skip. After i watched him, i have to ask: He does know Basketball, does he? Pippen not a Top 5= ?? Kidding? Gino better than Dirk? KIDDDDDDING?
Nicolas Alejandro Delrio yeah I also saw him playing under the greatest power fowards of all tome and having the luxury of coming off the bench and playing a specific specialized role of Tim’s greatness. Is Sam jones better than dirk too? He was a great player for Boston and won 10 titles. He benefitted from the greatness of Bill Russell and red Auerbach innovative fast-break system. What’s the difference between Manu and Sam jones? You wouldn’t dare say Sam jones was better than dirk.
@@superstar_h_gamer5211 all nice but what did dirk with His national team? Because in argentina we didnt have one guy that has More than 2.5 meters tall. And i remember wininng against Duncan (as you Said the best pf) Allen iverson, etc, all in their prime. I dont remember dirk winning anithing outside the NBA (one trophy). Ginóbili was 1 gold medal, 1 bronze medal, 4 place Beijing, silver medal world championship (germany was 3), silver medal juniors world championship AND another tournaments un América. So in 20 years of competence dirk winning one trophy and Ginóbili won everything, being a second round pick that come to the NBA with 26 years. He didnt develope His skills in the NBA AND evento though he won some things. Im sure you are the kind of guy who loves stadistics while Ginóbili won absoluty everything he played, everything.
Dirk was the best player on that championship team. He had an unstoppable shot and changed the way game was played for big men. Manu is a terribly underated player, and that's largely because of his unselfishness, accepting the 6th man role when he could have been a first or second option on a contender. Both graced us with their presence in the game and we should just be grateful for them both. Having said that, skip is just playing a role here and knows his takes are controversial.
Dirk was so clutch in 2011 finals. I remembered last 2 minutes of every game in the finals he starts making crazy shots and there's nothing they can do to stop him, it was like watching a 7 foot Michael Jordan
@@unc54 who is better? Duncan but you can argue, he was more of a C, but ill give you Duncan cuz of 5 rings and his defense, but swap Duncan/Dirks franchise and the help with manu/parker/pop in comparison with dirk and lets see if duncan even gets 1 ring. I doubt that cuz he couldnt carry a team offensively like Dirk did. But other then Duncan, who would be better? Barkley? Malone? Surely not. Garnett lol? Stop it, Garnett never had a shot against Dirk.
problem is that people see dirk now and seem to have forgotten the prime dirk he was for years. he was such a dominant scorer and shooting over 40% from 3 in many years of his career (in 21 seasons still 38%, FG % over 47). he scored over 30,000 points. he invented the idea of new PF. he lead the way for the shooting 7ft players. he had 12 seasons in a row scoring over 20 points a game. he carried a franchise to one of the most incredible NBA championship runs ever. he was finals mvp. he was league mvp. he was 14 time all star. his one leg fade away is one of the most iconic shots ever. the league had to adjust. Manu was a fantastic player but come on this isn't even a consideration. i'm sure if you ask Manu he would die laughing that people have him over dirk.
Alen Ajradinović the free throw part is ridiculous 78% is very high for a power forward that’s a great free throw shooter small forward not a power forward
Alexander De Los Santos when are you gonna realize comparing guard skills to pf skills are stupid. Of course an sg would be good at playmaking and ball handling. Just like dirk would be a better rebounder. But an sg should be better at shooting. He’s not better than dirk at that. Also not a better scorer overall. He would thrive with a defensive monster like Duncan. He won with chandler. With Duncan he would be a force. And he spaces the floor which opens up everyone’s game.
@@alexanderdelossantos1973 have you never watched Dirk in his prime. He handle the ball pretty good as a power forward/center. He shot around 40% from 3, MVP, FMVP, and was a good passer during his days.
@@sdfishinn say that manu isnt a top 100 because is 13 3 3 is dissrespect , 72% in wins in is games (the player with most wins in is total games played ), leader in playoffs bench players pts ,asist,rb,stl , top 20 in +/- that tells you a lot , is you tell me the best 6 man of all time inst a top 100?! you're in drugs man
Dirk was a killer, hands down clutch. Statistics show hes one of the most clutch players of all time. 30K club, he's an all time scorer as well. That 2011 season was magical.
@@sagen06 it was an incredible accomplishment. Even if the US sent a B squad it was still a ridiculously talented roster they beat. Doesnt trump Dirk's run, though, historic as it might have been.
Andre Beier why would he just agree with everything shannon says? that makes no sense, there’d be no show if that was the case. skip actually has basketball knowledge and has hot takes while shannon just rides whoever is popular.
Your right... It's a debate show... And skip can have his opinion... But.. Come on man.. To show no love for dirk is weak.. It's just wrong.. As he is a spurs fan he can not put his hate away for Dallas.. On the day dirk walk away... Dirk shows so much love for pop.. Duncan.. And the spurs organisation.. It's just sad from skips side... Just saying..
@@astronxxt they have agreed with each other before and the segments turned out fine. Skip does NOT have basketball knowledge if he does, its just average or barely barely above average.
Plus he was playing at the same time as guys like KG, Duncan, in an era with great defensive bigs. Dirk was a decent defender, and that part of his game is overstated.
Dirk over Manu 10x over. Really Skip, and he is easily top 25-20 player of all-time. During those Spurs vs. Mavs playoff series. It was Dirk vs. Duncan. Manu was never mentioned at that level. Stop Skip, this is offensive.
Those Mavs vs Spurs games were brilliant. Spurs had Tony, Duncan and Manu whereas Dirk usually had a mixed team. Dirk did have some years with Nash, then some with Kidd but he never really had that team around him the same way Duncan did. Dirk still made those games a tightly contested one and it was purely because of him in my opinion.
Skip don’t come at Dirk about defense when Manu also hasn’t made an all-defensive team. You’re giving him no credit for sweeping Kobe, beating Westbrook and KD, and handling James and Wade. Manu isn’t even close to him.
I can’t believe it’s been 18 years since I played NBA 2k2 and became obsessed with a 7 ft jump shooting unicorn. Little did I know at the time, he would eventually become a league defining talent and my favorite NBA player of all time. Dirk Nowitzki’s turnaround one-legged fadeaway has willed the Mavericks to countless victories and his career statistics speak for themselves. He eventually became an unstoppable force - a perpetual class act - and #41 is forever a champion. Most impressively though, Dirk rode with Dallas for 21 years. That is more than double the length of the average first marriage in America! Loyalty is invaluable and will separate his legacy from the greats to come.
I was looking forward to this take to see how much respect that I THOUGHT skip was going to give... but I was wrong... wish he had better things to say. Love Dirk and he deserves way more than any critic could ever say about him. Great player but an even better guy. 41.21.1 forever!!
Brandon roy and the trailblazers were the maverick's biggest challengers in that 2011 playoff run, shows how much special talents can be under appreciated.
@@nickromero7847 Even if the Heat won, Dirk should still get credit for leading that team to the finals. His second best player was Jason Terry who was never really considered top 5 in his position when he played.
@@samanmoheban5172 i agree but people act like it was the greatest title run in history and it makes him a top 20 player. they won the chip and fell off the map the next year. they were pretty much a fluke
how knows they played the same position ..and once there was a king how said not one not two not three ... ruclips.net/video/EYe8B--jrbs/видео.html and they won two and had been stopped bye the spurs ... the spurs never won back to back ...i mean
Where does Dirk Nowitzki rank on the NBA all-time list?
Certainly higher than ginobili, he carried 2011 mavs to a ring vs prime bron, wade, bosh. The man had an iconic umstoppable one leg fadeway.
Higher than manu. Not taking anything away from manu. Maybe top 25 all time for dirk.
Top 30
LeBron James lmao and Kyrie and Ray Allen saved it later
Perhaps on the buttom end Top 20! Dirk was that good!
Dirk's 2011 championship run was one of the best ever. That alone speaks for itself.
That's one season. What about all the others?
SSA INVINCIBLEx what historic run has it has that glorified bench player had again ?
@@Ognkills It's called constantcy and clutch. Dirk has choked many times
@@IamSSAINVINCIBLEx one season better than many careers
SSA INVINCIBLEx complete idiot. dirks mavs was always in contention and 50 wins from 2000's. the meltdown in 2007 was due to donnie nelson gsw who gave dallas problems during the regular season.
Skip: Ginobili is better than Dirk
Everybody: Why?
Skip: He played for the Spurs
😂
Pickle Rick hy ima die hard spurs fan and id take dirk before manu 😂😂
Literally
Ginobili for Argentina team.. Two 🥉 olímpics, second and four in World cup..
Dirk =0...
Nba rings 1
Manu = 4
Luis Garcia Bazan
Dirk Finals MVPs: 1
Manu: 0
How you expect a Spurs fan to talk neutral about a Mavs legend....
I’m a spurs fan but this is absolutely ridiculous
Spurs fans and the Spurs organization showed a lot of class last night, but I guess Skip is not capable of doing that.
Even spurs fans aren’t this stupid, skip knows he’s lying
He just trolls for ratings
Sad that he would do this during dirk’s retirement
Didn’t look at it that way 🤔 point made
Dirk did it all by himself. He never had any all-stars with him after Nash left. Dirk always had former all-stars with him -- after their prime. Dallas never could land the big free agents, even though Dirk gave away millions in salary so that they could sign some better players.
Skip prolly still bitter mark cuban owned him in an interview
Lol
lol
I've never heard anyone bring this up - 1999-2014 we only had 4 different teams as western conference champions - Lakers (x7), Spurs (x6), Mavericks (x2), Thunder (x1). That alone shows the "elite" company that Dirk's Mavericks held with Kobe's Lakers and Duncan's Spurs. Also, Dirk did carry his team. In his 14 yrs as an all-star, he played with few other all-stars (6 aggregate Allstar appearances): Michael Finley (AS 2000, 2001), Josh Howard (AS 2007), Jason Kidd (2010), Steve Nash (2002, 2003). Most of his success came with no other all-star teammates. Ginobli had Duncan (15x AS), Tony Parker (6x AS), and Kawhi Leonard (2x AS) for a total of 23 aggregate Allstar appearances. Also, Skip is a Spurs fan, so he's biased anyway...
Usually I just find Skip's takes to be amusing but this one is just disrespectful
Od disrespectful
Just glad he doesn't have kids so his stupidity ends with him and won't be passed to another generation
Your a lebron hater and that's why his takes amuses u
LMAO. Dirk ranks higher than Ginobili. Top 3 PF of all time
Edit: Dirk was a revolution as PF. He changed the game of Basketball. One of the best Play-off runs, one of the greatest scorer and shooter of all time. In my opinion top 3 PF.
Duncan, Karl Malone, Barkley, kevin Garnett. All better than Dirk. Unless you think Barkley is a small foward.
Top 3? When did you start watching basketball?
@@TheCruzan26 duncan and Garnett are better but the other two your way off. I would rank dirk at 3. Malone and barkely never won the chip despite being on good team😁
As a Dirk fan I’ll say top 5, idk bout top 3 tho. Dirk is the 2nd best international player tho.
He's top 3 pf one of the if not the greatest playoffs run of all time
Manu = 2 All NBA 3rd team.
Dirk 3 All NBA 3rd team 5 2nd team 4 first team.
Wtf is even there to debate ?
Because skip is an idiot
Plus a league MVP, a finals MVP, 6th all time scorer, Skip is just plain stupid.. Period
and a final MVP, just you know, that little trophy :D Manu MAY have had a similar career if he hadn't choose to sacrifice for the Spurs but he had, so, Dirk goes up against him. Gg, let's go over
@Samuel A. Lim Dunno if the GOAT but for sure he may be kinda in another league in respect of Manu. Nothing to take off from Ginobili tho. Just Dirk was another kind of superstar
JAM mani sacrificed a lot of his stats and achievements playing for the spurs lol dude would’ve went to wayyyy more all stars games if he was on his own team like how dirk was
I love Ginobli man. Dude was always clutch. But, he ain't no Dirk.
If Dirk has the same team as Spurs, he would have more rings. I agree with you man.
@@riezexeero7392 if Dirk had the spurs team he might have been The Goat. This Is comin from a Spurs fan.
Manu on mavs.... -.-
@@dejuandomino6057 LMAO... No mames Buey...
Except when it came to being clutch....
Dirk is 10x better than ginobli.Ginobli has Duncan and Parker. Dirk basically carried his team ever year. Come on Skip
He's better but for you to say 10x better just goes to show how ignorant you are
Didn't Dirk have Steve Nash?
Joshua Akinlotan ya but Steve Nash wasn’t in his prime
@@CoyDavis When Nash was in Dallas, he was 24-30. I'm pretty sure that's part of an athlete's prime
Joshua Akinlotan i consider Nash in his prime in the suns years, he was a regular point guard in Dallas
Now that Skip is DISRESPECTFUL!
We need SAS to come in and drop that on him.
Skip! Come on man. Dirk is better than Ginobli. Ginobli had Tim Duncan, Kawhi Leonard, Tony Parker, etc. Dirk either had aging all stars past their prime or just good role players
That’s a lie he had young Nash and prime Josh Howard, prime Jason terry and devin Harris.
@@osoarrogant9785 he had young nash, but prime nash was with the suns
Oso Arrogant devin Harris and josh Howard 😂😂
Don't forget he also had prime Michael finley who was better than Howard and nick van exel. However dirk still a top 5 pf of all time and certainly above manu. Skip is delusional
@@osoarrogant9785 lol my dude is talking about Josh Howard and Devin Harris like they were perennial all stars. Josh Howard and Devin Harris each made the all star team once in their careers. Jason Terry never made an all star team.
Manu>Dirk?
Manu beats Dirk?
Dirks:21,8,2 vs Manu:13,4,4 *H2H reg.season*
Dirk(24,10,2) vs Manu(18,4,4) *H2H PlayOffs*
Love Manu but stop the nonsense...these stats are just tip of the iceberg.
close your mouth
You forgot Manu's Euro league championship, Gold medal (beating the US at that), 4 nba championships, best winning percentage in league history.
SLYFOXX32 wasn’t even the second best player and for a time 3rd best during that time
@@SLYFOXX32 put Dirk on the Spurs and they win 8 in a row. Dont talk stupid, Dirk had worse team both International and NBA...
SLYFOXX32
Manu had Tim Duncan.
Who was Dirk’s Tim Duncan again?
Exactly ...
With skip's logic.. Manu ginobilli is better than Kevin Durant
Aaron Horne 😂😂😂
Aaron Horne yes 4 rings to 2, ginobili better than Durant.
jan ssantoys you serious?
C0brazz SZN ginobili also has a gold medal in 2004 against the USA.
Yeah I'l take prime Manu over KD easily
"In 2011..Lebron handed it to him." Oohh that's Skip's angle today. Entertainment as usual lmao.
Gray _ yeah cause beating the Trail Blazers first round, then sweeping the two time defending champs in the second round, and a young fast paced thunder team in conference finals was SOOO easy. We wouldn’t have won the finals if lebron wouldn’t have handed it to us...so much disrespect on dirk, almost as much as those fake coughs bron and wade were doing when dirk was sick in the finals
Dirk was lights out in that series, super clutch!!
dwade dwade and bosh showed out in that series tho.
Did you not watch the rest of that part? lmao he said and then lebron completely fell apart. You guys be hating for no reason
Lebron didn't hand it to them. Lebron got completely shut down. Dirk's 2011 run honestly is one of the best runs in the history of the game.
The disrespect to Dirk SMH he's easily a top 20 player and is better than manu
It’s not disrespectful, it’s his personal opinion. He’s a die hard spurs fan.
@@xLamont_ it is disrespectful. Dirk is a top 3 PF ever and lead one of the greatest playoffs run ever. What has Manu done that Dirk didn't?
Facts top 25 at the LEAST
Hassan Haulcy he’s a top 3 PF in your opinion
@@Kalinbuggs 20*
Skip is still butthurt about Mark Cuban destroying him on First Take LOLLL
He made Skip look stupid
EXACTLY ‼️ ‼️‼️
Matt Pham sheesh this was so awesome to watch when Cuban destroyed Skip's "arguments" like "Miami wanted it more than OKC" and "Durant was afraid of Lebron"
FACTS
Honestly
2nd best foreign player behind Hakeem
Best European player ever
Reinvented the stretch 4 and the idea of how 7 footers can play
MVP and Finals MVP
Top 5 scorer
Not a Mavs fan but it's disrespectful to put Manu with Dirk
@F ten fair point. Thanks for the clarification
THANK YOU, someone with actual knowledge of dirk
i'm not that sure he's the best european ever, for sure the best european in NBA. It's hard to say if he's better than Sabonis or Petrovic.
Probably Giannis will eclipse him as Best Euro player ever
THIS NEEDS TO BE TOP COMMENT!!!!
Imagine comparing a guy that carried a franchise ALONE for more than a decade, to a guy which played with 2-3 other hall of famers...
And came off the bench almost his entire career.
more like 4-5 Hall of Famers
I guess draymond green is better than Karl Malone if thats his context cause at this point he just says things don’t believe him anymore I only come here to listen to Shannon sharpe
@@bigred9991 bruhhhh he could leave sa and be starter in another team but he was different
@@sampaoliandatealasampaolit4815 I get that but if was even in the same ballpark as dirk he would be a starter his entire career.
Don't get me wrong Manu was really good and I cant take anything from him but he was a role player on a couple championship teams and Dirk was the super star on his. Manu is not better than Dirk end of story.
Skip "you just don't get it"
No no skip, we all get it. You're a homer. If someone plays for the spurs they get elite skip status, unless they decide to leave
As I said couple of days ago, Skip knows nothing about basketball. Manu over Dirk, CRAZY!
Hugo Ishiodori I mean to say he knows nothing about basketball is pretty stupid, he’s just clearly a San Antonio fanboy 😂😂 deep down he knows dirk is a way better player
@@Anonymous-lm2ou I'd say your pretty stupid bc internet
LAVAR BALL only speaks FAX
The argument is valid. Manu was a European champion and defeated the US to get Argentina their first Gold Medal. Manu is really under appreciated.
@@abdomination nobody care much about that let's be real. He never lead nothing in the NBA. He was a solid player. Dirk an all time great
Dirk way better than manu
Skip high
Skip is on drugs
w j
Manu is a legend, so Dirk is better but not way better. Manu was playing for the Spurs, so people understimates him a lot.
Manu in 2005 was top 2 sg in the league and he deserved finals mvp vs one of the best defensive team of all time detroit , most of the people underestimade manu for being a 6 man
You know better than that...
I'm a huge Manu fan (I'm for Argentina), but this take is BLASPHEMOUS!!! Dirk is top 20 hands down.
Trevor Miller bruh no he isn’t
Top 30 and better than manu in every aspect of the game
Justin Dminic wrong. Ginobili was much better at defense
Trevor Miller Stephen A Smith voice; BLASPHEMOUS!!!
I'm a manu fan too but Dirk is better overall
3:25 did Skip really say Dirk had ALOT of HELP? I would love to see those names during Dirks 20 year career.
Tyson Chandler, Steve Nash, Shawn Marion, Jason Terry, Devin Harris. All solid players. Not saying he was part of a super team, but he always had good or at least decent players around him.
@@lukeiskandar1208 He he didn't have these guys for a long period of time with the exception of Jason terry. However, no offence these guys pales in comparison to the Lakers and Spurs with what Shaq and Duncan had. Shaq had Kobe, one of the best players ever and Duncan had Ginobli, Parker and a top league defender in Bruce Bowen.
@@AgentJ2007 exactly lol
@@lukeiskandar1208 men these dudes where all old asf expect nash and he was not even in is best years wtf 😂😂😂😂😂
@@lukeiskandar1208 u know you‘re wrong when you forget one of the only allstars he ever played with (and I mean allstar while he was playing with Dirk) in Jason Kidd, all the players u mentiondend were not in their prime except Chandler maybe and Terry
ill never forget his game 1 against OKC in the WCF. 48 points on 12 of 15 FG and 24 of 24 from the line. I think that playoff run is one of the most under appreciated of all time. He was amazing.
Dirk is the greatest European player to ever play in the NBA
LeeTravius Mckay Ginobilli is a South American so I guess you’re right
Nah Hakeem is💯
Good thing Ginnobli is from South America
Lando Hudson Hakeem isn’t from Europe
Bubb he is considered European 🤷🏽♂️
Skip: "Manu is better than Dirk"
Stephen A. Smith: "You need to be drug tested immediately"
Juhdah ginobili is better, 4 rings to 1,
@@soccercodes7943 Please put some context if you are comparing a player to another using rings.
@@soccercodes7943 HAHAHAHAHA you must be as dumb, if not dumber, than Skip... First of all, Dirk had a ring basically stolen by the refs in 2006, then he redeemed himself in 2011. Secondly, the man changed the way 7 footers played the game, Manu didn't change anything except for popularizing the Eurostep because he was so herky-jerky when he played... and 3rd, 4 rings to 1... That 1 ring means more than all 4 of Manu's because Manu was carried to rings and the finals by his HOF teammates; whereas Dirk had to lead his team. He was by far, the best player on the 2011 Mavericks, which was one of the most surprising championship winning teams of all time. Nuff said.
Yes Sir first of all you admitted the europstep from Manu, more popular than dirks move, ginobili beat a whole dream team, did dirk Germany ever come close to that? Ginobili was not being carried by Duncan, ginobili was the mvp of 2005 and 2014 by far, popvovich admitted that without ginobili her is no championships, ginobili has a the best winning percentage in the history of the nba with atleast 1000 games, one a one ginobili beat dirk in the playoffs nearly every time, so I think u are the dumb one for not knowing history or valid arguments,
xXTetsu KuroXx ginobili Carried the spurs in every playoffs, he carried Duncan in 2005 and 2014 when the spurs were down 22-6 and rallied to bring them back, no Kawhi no duncan no Parker it was ginobili.
So... we’re talking ab Dirks retirement but somehow Skip ends up saying “if it wasn’t for Ray Allen hitting the greatest clutch shot of all time...” 🤦♂️
Skip is the definition of obsessed with lebron
@@WestCoastDon448 what about shannon ??
@@michaelharris9430 Shannon isn't obsessed as much as he's intrigued by Lebron and his greatness, however people that hate and want to discredit you are always obsessed with you and that is what Skip Bayless is with Lebron, obsessed.
top 20...woah def top 50 maybe in 30s but not top 20
Dirk is a top 20 player wtf 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Owen Cassidy id argue top 15
I love him, best european player ever, but dont exagerate...
Yung Savage I’d say top 20, but that’s about as far as I’d go.
I’d say top 35-40
Eric Page Who’s better? I’m curious.
Everyone’s talking about how Skip is saying that dirk is top 50 but ginobli is better, but no one is talking about the fact that skip has said Scottie isn’t too 50, which means skip has ginobli above Scottie pippen
I am from germany and i didnt know Skip. After i watched him, i have to ask: He does know Basketball, does he? Pippen not a Top 5= ?? Kidding? Gino better than Dirk? KIDDDDDDING?
Maybe Dirk ranks lower than Ginobili at being worse at the game of basketball.
“Dirk made no defensive teams”
NEITHER DID MANU SKIP COME ON
THATS IS BLASPHEMOUS
Thank you Shannon for sticking up for my dude. Skip is literally the only person on planet earth that thinks Manu is better than Dirk.
i must have missed that year, when Ginobili won league MVP...
No, but you saw when he won nba 4 titles, a gold medal against USA and a bronze medal, an eurolegue.....
@@nicolasalejandrodelrio1380 and that still doesn't mean he's anywhere close to dirk who's top 20 all time.......
Nicolas Alejandro Delrio yeah I also saw him playing under the greatest power fowards of all tome and having the luxury of coming off the bench and playing a specific specialized role of Tim’s greatness. Is Sam jones better than dirk too? He was a great player for Boston and won 10 titles. He benefitted from the greatness of Bill Russell and red Auerbach innovative fast-break system. What’s the difference between Manu and Sam jones? You wouldn’t dare say Sam jones was better than dirk.
@@superstar_h_gamer5211 all nice but what did dirk with His national team? Because in argentina we didnt have one guy that has More than 2.5 meters tall. And i remember wininng against Duncan (as you Said the best pf) Allen iverson, etc, all in their prime. I dont remember dirk winning anithing outside the NBA (one trophy). Ginóbili was 1 gold medal, 1 bronze medal, 4 place Beijing, silver medal world championship (germany was 3), silver medal juniors world championship AND another tournaments un América. So in 20 years of competence dirk winning one trophy and Ginóbili won everything, being a second round pick that come to the NBA with 26 years. He didnt develope His skills in the NBA AND evento though he won some things. Im sure you are the kind of guy who loves stadistics while Ginóbili won absoluty everything he played, everything.
@@nicolasalejandrodelrio1380 manu not even on dirks level
Dirk was the best player on that championship team. He had an unstoppable shot and changed the way game was played for big men. Manu is a terribly underated player, and that's largely because of his unselfishness, accepting the 6th man role when he could have been a first or second option on a contender. Both graced us with their presence in the game and we should just be grateful for them both. Having said that, skip is just playing a role here and knows his takes are controversial.
The disrespect to Dirk smh he's a top 20 player easily and is definitely better than manu
LeeTravius Mckay he’s not top 20, more 30-50
C. Wvyn6 hes top 20 stop it
Lol you must be like 20 years old
Easily top 20? What’s your list lmao
Name your top 20... y’all gotta stop saying top 15-50. Most of y’all can’t even name that many players.
When Skip realised he is wrong he changed the subject to Kawhi and Lebron pretty fast...
I'm actually ready to fight Skip.
They’re gonna need dna to know it was skip after I’m done
Dirk was so clutch in 2011 finals. I remembered last 2 minutes of every game in the finals he starts making crazy shots and there's nothing they can do to stop him, it was like watching a 7 foot Michael Jordan
Dirk is top 15. That was unquestioned I thought. What the heck was this take Skip?
No he not
Top 15? Bruh you trippen trippen
Thomas Dumont yep
He is
That's pretty high but I would hear the argument
He’s a top 3 PF of all time, no way Ginobili is better, coming from a Spurs fan
Well top 3 might b right i would say malone, barkley, n dirk
Well if duncan is consideres a pf then i would put dirk 4th
@@barbarapaparella2282 so no Hakeem in top3?
Hakeem is a center
Duncan
I'm a spurs fan and i think manu is not even close to dirk. You must be drug tested if you think otherwise.
For most of my life it was Tim Duncan and The Spurs vs Dirk Nowitzki and my Mavs 🤷🏿♂️
I think Skip needs to be drug tested😂😂MANU HIGHER THAN TOP 3 PF ON ALL TIME LIST
Dirk isn't a top 3 PF man...top 10 but not top 3.....Tim Duncan, Karl Malone, Larry Bird....there's 3 right there.
Maybe top 5, definitely not top 3.
@@unc54 who is better? Duncan but you can argue, he was more of a C, but ill give you Duncan cuz of 5 rings and his defense, but swap Duncan/Dirks franchise and the help with manu/parker/pop in comparison with dirk and lets see if duncan even gets 1 ring. I doubt that cuz he couldnt carry a team offensively like Dirk did. But other then Duncan, who would be better? Barkley? Malone? Surely not. Garnett lol? Stop it, Garnett never had a shot against Dirk.
Yall really out here disrespecting this man. Top 2 for sure. Best shooting big man for sure! NO DOUBT!
@@boricuafrican1 bori bird was not a PF, and Duncan was more like a center but I give it to you. With that said is Duncan,Malone,Dirk, Garnett thts it
problem is that people see dirk now and seem to have forgotten the prime dirk he was for years. he was such a dominant scorer and shooting over 40% from 3 in many years of his career (in 21 seasons still 38%, FG % over 47). he scored over 30,000 points. he invented the idea of new PF. he lead the way for the shooting 7ft players. he had 12 seasons in a row scoring over 20 points a game. he carried a franchise to one of the most incredible NBA championship runs ever. he was finals mvp. he was league mvp. he was 14 time all star. his one leg fade away is one of the most iconic shots ever. the league had to adjust. Manu was a fantastic player but come on this isn't even a consideration. i'm sure if you ask Manu he would die laughing that people have him over dirk.
Dirk is one of the top 20 players of all time. Dirk 2011 playoff run is one of the greatest, most underrated performances ever
This guy is on drugs he just looks at defensive all nba teams and FT%!!
Alen Ajradinović the free throw part is ridiculous 78% is very high for a power forward that’s a great free throw shooter small forward not a power forward
Ok lets imagine Dirk on the Spurs instead of Manu....
Yeah that's what I thought
End of argument
2 of the top 5 of all time pfs ever on one team jeez
Dirk don't play defense and and doesn't have play making skills. Ginobili played defense, shot 3's better passer, ball handling skills.
Alexander De Los Santos when are you gonna realize comparing guard skills to pf skills are stupid. Of course an sg would be good at playmaking and ball handling. Just like dirk would be a better rebounder. But an sg should be better at shooting. He’s not better than dirk at that. Also not a better scorer overall. He would thrive with a defensive monster like Duncan. He won with chandler. With Duncan he would be a force. And he spaces the floor which opens up everyone’s game.
@@nets4life377 Dirk won with Old Jkidd and Tyson, imagine him with Tony and Timmy!
@@alexanderdelossantos1973 have you never watched Dirk in his prime. He handle the ball pretty good as a power forward/center. He shot around 40% from 3, MVP, FMVP, and was a good passer during his days.
I love Manu but Dirk top 20 imo, Manu top 50.
Ryannelson02 His gold medal, 4 championships, all star appearances say otherwise.
@@sdfishinn you're in drugs man
MsMrapplepie you right with the first statement and wrong with the secound... if it’s debatable if pierce is top 50 I don’t see how Manu is
@@sdfishinn say that manu isnt a top 100 because is 13 3 3 is dissrespect , 72% in wins in is games (the player with most wins in is total games played ), leader in playoffs bench players pts ,asist,rb,stl , top 20 in +/- that tells you a lot , is you tell me the best 6 man of all time inst a top 100?! you're in drugs man
Manu is 80-90 range
Love the way Shannon showed respect, and love to Dirk!
I use to pick the Mavs when Dirk, Nash, and Finely all played together on NBA Live on the ps2 online.
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Lower than Ginobili???? Please cut it out and show Dirk respect!! BLASPHEMOUS!!
Shut up skiuupp!! - Kevin Hart voice
Thank you Dirk legacy will live on forever as the best 7 footer in the nba has everybody doing his shot
Dirk is a top 15 player of all time. Manu is a great player. But Dirk is on another level. Also Dirk had no help when he won his ring
Idk about top 15 but hes top 20
Let's say like #17
@@lukaz3336 I have him 17th too he is better that Garnett
@@xziahx5165 Ya I'd rather take Dirk over KG.
I hate when Casual NBA Fans say Dirk had no help. Alright than who was the Defensive side? It wasn't Dirk.
I was a Miami Heat fan so I hated the Mavericks but I always respected Dirk he's one of the best shooters ever
Skip forever putting the spurs as the bench mark which makes his arguments biased asf
Dirk's one ring means more than KD's
Ninety Nine damn Jeremy Lin’s 1 ring means more than KDs two
@@00Mindi00 hater !!!!
lebron handed dirk that ring. he shot 41% in the finals way overhyped
@@nickromero7847 you sound like a hater. It's saddening at this point.
@@nickromero7847 Lebron got outplayed Dirk was better
My favorite team is the Spurs and I consider Dirk a Top 15 player.And Manu being better than Dirk is ridiculous
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Whos dirk better than?
Nemesiis 3454 dirk is not a top 15 player 🤣🤣🤣
Thank you
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He was an all star every year he played, he averaged 27 as a rookie my god u youngbloods drive me insane
Dirk was a killer, hands down clutch. Statistics show hes one of the most clutch players of all time.
30K club, he's an all time scorer as well.
That 2011 season was magical.
Dirk was an underrated defender and he was constantly getting to the basket around 2006, he made his money outside but won on the inside
Skip stop talking about 2011. Mark Cuban told you everything you needed to know and yet you spread the same bs all over again.
Cuban made him look really foolish in that segment!
He is easily top 30 why does skip still has a job????? Manu isnt top 50!!!!!!
because he stirs up controversy such as this.. 😂
Manu is definitely top 50, stop it but yes Dirk is definitely top 30!!!
Skip has his personal favorites mj, t.b12, duncan and manu. He is just being biast.
Manu isn't even top 100. He never even came close to averaging 20 ppg in a season.
Whatever Skipp smokin I need it 😂😂🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
No you dont! Don't you see?
Hi Skip
Dirk carried a team to a championship FYI
Ginobili carried a county to gold medal
@@truestory2006 Yea not even close to the same thing lol but at least you tried.
@@tylergathers7174 They beat the USA . World series is better than nationals. Especially since USA excels in basketball.
@@sagen06 it was an incredible accomplishment. Even if the US sent a B squad it was still a ridiculously talented roster they beat. Doesnt trump Dirk's run, though, historic as it might have been.
"Dirk wasn't a dominating Player"
Wait, what?!?!
i laughed soi hard....
I know they need crazy takes to get people to watch but this is too far Skip lmao.
Ginobili isnt even Top 100!Whats this guy talking about 🤔
He needs to be drug tested
Ginobili is at least top 60. And with his international career (basketball is more than NBA), he's even higher. He's a basketball legend.
Ginobili is a top 60-80 player but Dirk is top 30 at worst.
Ginobili is top 75. Dirk is top 25.
Urban Legend Ok settle down but Skip is wrong. Manu is top 75. Dirk is top 15
Get shannon a new partner...skip is just a hater...so disrespectfull on the day dirk as his last game...unbeliveble..
Andre Beier why would he just agree with everything shannon says? that makes no sense, there’d be no show if that was the case. skip actually has basketball knowledge and has hot takes while shannon just rides whoever is popular.
Your right... It's a debate show... And skip can have his opinion... But.. Come on man.. To show no love for dirk is weak.. It's just wrong.. As he is a spurs fan he can not put his hate away for Dallas.. On the day dirk walk away... Dirk shows so much love for pop.. Duncan.. And the spurs organisation.. It's just sad from skips side... Just saying..
@@astronxxt they have agreed with each other before and the segments turned out fine. Skip does NOT have basketball knowledge if he does, its just average or barely barely above average.
@@charlescooks9360 He does have b-ball knowledge but he hates Dallas.
Just look at what he said when we played.
@@hungerxhunger2548 average or baaaaaaarely above average(AT BEST). see what Mark Cuban did to him on the very topic of the 2011 finals years ago
Dirk is top 10 in every category.He literally took Miami heat when they had a god team by himself.💯
Top 10 in each Category for what? Just for PFs or just in General.
Manu and Dirk are both my fav players. You can not compare a SG with PF, that's what I have to say as a fan of both.
Top 50?? That is disrespectful!!
Skip Manu was good but you need to stop that nonsense 🤣🤣
Skip says Manu better than Dirk. "he needs to get drug tested immediately" Stephen A Smith
lol
Who cares if Dirk make defensive team when HE MAKE ALL-NBA TEAMS
Plus he was playing at the same time as guys like KG, Duncan, in an era with great defensive bigs. Dirk was a decent defender, and that part of his game is overstated.
Are you kidding me Dirk was 100 times greater than Ginobili. No disrespect to Manu, just the truth
Manu>Dirk is easily top 10 most ridiculous Skip takes of all time.
THIS IS THE GOAT OF ALL RIDICULOUS SKIP TAKES
Dirk over Manu 10x over. Really Skip, and he is easily top 25-20 player of all-time. During those Spurs vs. Mavs playoff series. It was Dirk vs. Duncan. Manu was never mentioned at that level. Stop Skip, this is offensive.
Those Mavs vs Spurs games were brilliant. Spurs had Tony, Duncan and Manu whereas Dirk usually had a mixed team. Dirk did have some years with Nash, then some with Kidd but he never really had that team around him the same way Duncan did. Dirk still made those games a tightly contested one and it was purely because of him in my opinion.
I love Manu, one of my favorite players as a kid... but come on now lmao he's not a better player than Dirk Nowitzki
Dirk changed the game with his signature one legged fade away. He top 50 at least
Unstoppable. Dirk is the goat. To be fair, Manu changed the game too with the eurostep.
Dirk changed the game there will never be another like Nowitzki #MFFL 💯
He is infront of Manu.
But great respect to both future HOFs
Dirk changed the game he's one of the best Ever!
I’m the biggest Spurs fan you’ll ever know but Manu is not better than Dirk.
I’m not taking anything away from manu but he wasn’t In dirks class
Dirk revolutionized the game in his prime he was Unguardable
This is easily Skips dumbest moment in my eyes
Skip don’t come at Dirk about defense when Manu also hasn’t made an all-defensive team.
You’re giving him no credit for sweeping Kobe, beating Westbrook and KD, and handling James and Wade. Manu isn’t even close to him.
I can’t believe it’s been 18 years since I played NBA 2k2 and became obsessed with a 7 ft jump shooting unicorn. Little did I know at the time, he would eventually become a league defining talent and my favorite NBA player of all time. Dirk Nowitzki’s turnaround one-legged fadeaway has willed the Mavericks to countless victories and his career statistics speak for themselves. He eventually became an unstoppable force - a perpetual class act - and #41 is forever a champion. Most impressively though, Dirk rode with Dallas for 21 years. That is more than double the length of the average first marriage in America! Loyalty is invaluable and will separate his legacy from the greats to come.
I was looking forward to this take to see how much respect that I THOUGHT skip was going to give... but I was wrong... wish he had better things to say. Love Dirk and he deserves way more than any critic could ever say about him. Great player but an even better guy. 41.21.1 forever!!
From the way he was saying "mmmmm" at the start of the video it was clear he's gonna say something ignorant
Nah skip dwade was still in he’s prime 08-09 regardless of he’s knees
09 was his best year
LOL, somehow they could bring Lebron in the show regardless what they talking about.
Brandon roy and the trailblazers were the maverick's biggest challengers in that 2011 playoff run, shows how much special talents can be under appreciated.
They beat LAL and OKC.
Omg Skip...
Really? LeBron handed Dirk a championship? Lol.
yea he did. if bron plays anywhere close to his normal self they sweep the mavs and this whole narrative about dirk doesn't exist
But he didn’t so it doesn’t really matter. Dirk won LeBron didn’t. Tf outta here
@@ritosandoval9118 what you mean it doesn't matter lmfao. not all rings are created equal. lebron handed it to dirk on a silver platter
@@nickromero7847 Even if the Heat won, Dirk should still get credit for leading that team to the finals. His second best player was Jason Terry who was never really considered top 5 in his position when he played.
@@samanmoheban5172 i agree but people act like it was the greatest title run in history and it makes him a top 20 player. they won the chip and fell off the map the next year. they were pretty much a fluke
Skip is really salty about Dallas players! 😂
After 06 Dwayne went down hill? No he was a mvp candidate a couple years later and won 2 more rings how did he peak
Yeah plus if it fits, He will say how great DWade was when Lebron came, to make his narrative who great DWade was and how he carried LeBron
If Dirk plays with Duncan, how many rings do they win?
xbefri23 6 atleast
All of them
not just Duncan but any other superstar of his era. Plays with shaq or Kobe and wins multiple. Plays with Bron wins several,etc.
how knows they played the same position ..and once there was a king how said not one not two not three ...
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and they won two and had been stopped bye the spurs ... the spurs never won back to back ...i mean
@@hannes3d Duncan would have been center and Dirl PF.
Manu beat Dirk? Please. No disrespect to Tony and Manu, but San Antonio will always be Tim Duncan's team. So for Skip to say that is so disrespectful.
Dirk absolutely changed the game. No way anyone with eyes would say Ginobli is better than Dirk outside of this dude