Is The Icon V1-M DAW Controller Worth The Hype?
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- Опубликовано: 30 июн 2024
- In this video, we're going to take a look at the Icon Pro Audio V1-M DAW Controller and see if it's worth the hype. If you're in the market for a DAW Control Surface this is the successor to the QCon Pro G2 and The QCon Pro X. How does it stack up?
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In search for the Best DAW Controller especially one in the DAW Controller Motorized Faders categories I check out the V1-M from Icon Pro Audio. This DAW controller has motorized faders, bright screens and meters, a touch screen and has a lot of features that make it a great choice for recording and mixing music in professional recording studios and home studios. In this video, we'll take a look at the Icon V1-M and see if it's worth the investment. We'll also discuss some of the pros and cons of this controller, so you can make an informed decision about whether or not it's the right choice for you.
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Index
00:00 - Start
00:52 - Meet The Icon V1-M
02:41 - V1-M Features
04:17 - The New Icon iMap
07:42 - How Well Does the VM-1 Manipulate Plugins?
10:51 - Icon Pro Audio V1-M Dimensions
11:39 - Motorized Faders
12:46 - Build Quality?
14:30 - Connectivity
16:10 - My Thoughts On The V1-M
16:59 - Wrap Up
17:46 - Please Subscribe!
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Finally, was waiting for it. Thank you so much for your view on the v1-m. After you didn't mention any major flaws, at least nothing, that seem like one to me, I will give this unit a try and make it a christmas gift for myself. I'm looking forward to hopefully more videos on it from you. Also that effort, that goes into your videos is remarkable. I would like to see a video, where you compare the commonly used daws operated with the v1-m to see, if they all work well, but I guess, it's asked for to much. Keep up the great work!😊
Thanks so much! Enjoy yours when you get it. Comparing them to all the dAWs would be such a challenge. just getting the licenses for everything and learning the basics of each!! ;)
Great video ! Such an informative and affable guy !
Thanks you so much!!! Thrilled you enjoyed this! :)
Great video and review with so much useful information. I saw on the Icon product video that the guy is using the pots to manipulate the built in main Logic EQ which seems like an amazing feature it's that's been enabled. You've got some great shreddig tones too 🙂
Thanks so much!!! Yes, the main EQ on the controller activates the channel EQ in Logic...nice feature. Thanks for checking this out! :)
You go further on the explanations! Awesome job!
Thanks so much!
Your playing is exceptional.
Thank you so much!
Awesome walkthrough and great basic overview. I'm thinking about this for my Cubase/Nuendo workflow, and this has been a great bit of info for somebody not familiar with Icon. ;)
I have cubase and I will be making a video on this shortly You can look for.
@@lfm119 I picked up a P1-Nano recently - the zoom functions (vertical/horizontal with the jog wheel) are amazing!
I’ve been waiting about 5 years to purchase a DAW controller. I’m so glad I waited. These new ICONs seems amazing!!!!
Awesome!! Enjoy it!
Cool vid Dan here we go again you making me empty my pockets again lol .Definititely looks like icon haven't sat on their laurels it's definitely progressed from the previous version. Was about to pull the trigger on the UF8 series this has definitely provided some food for thought . One thing for sure if I go for the V1M it's almost a guarantee it'll work with my current setups .
You know me! I like dangling that candy!!! :)
Solid video. Nice looking controller
Appreciate it! Cheers!
Good video!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Solid video
Thank you!
Can’t wait to buy this heck of a beast soon 😊
Enjoy it!
@@LonelyRocker I’m also looking into buying the 12 input behringer Eurorack pro, can I use the daw surface controller along with the eurorack?
Well, years ago I bought myself a Nektar Panorama P6, which was perfectly integrated with Reason. But over the years I found myself using the special knobs and faders less and less. I have too many different Rack Extensions and VSTs installed, and to be honest I find it much simpler to stay on mouse and keyboard instead of switching to my controller and finding out how I could map the thousands of functions to those controller parts. I think it's a race that can't be won. My opinion today is: My perfect controller just should be a large touch tablet which functions like a zoom window and/or second screen. So if I see an opened VST on my big monitor, it is also displayed on the tablet and I can touch-control it there. And if I want I can lock the display to continously control this plugin while doing other things on my main screen.
I actually got a small touch screen to experiment with plugins. It works but I just couldn't find a good reason to sue it that way so now it's just a third monitor for meter displays. I like faders and transport and that's what I use my controllers for 99% of the time...
Have you seen the mp midi for controlling plugins
@@LonelyRocker you should try out the mp midi
Slate Raven :)
iPad and Mac for that. :D
Thanks Dan ! The thing with the joggle button made me think on something, I happen to have a MPK Mini with 8 assignable buttons, I was like "what if I could do the same with those buttons...". The answer is yes, I can use them, with LogicPro, you have to add the MPK Mini as a control surface, then you can assign functions. By default, the compressor plugin is fully assigned, this is a game changer as I could adjust threshold, attack and release settings together (well 2 by 2, I only have 2 hands :)).
I can't tell with the other DAWS as I only have Logic, but I'm pretty sure you could.
Interesting tip. These are midi controllers...so if you are comfortable editing midi assignments the creating deeper customization should be possible. I'll throw this to Icon.
@@LonelyRocker Just trying to get the most of what I already own. Let me know if you'd like screen captures.
Firstly got to say really good review of the Icon V1-M.
Love the look of it and a lot of the features and layout of it.
Got to say though I’m really struggling with this controller, let me explain. My background is as a mix engineer and then teaching audio to 11-16 year learners.
I had an Icon QCon Pro G2, running Pro Tools. There were a number of issues with the hardware, issue with one of the encoders, to much travel on one of the fader’s and some strange slipping with the jog wheel (all happened straight out of the box). After returning it and getting a replacement I still had an issue with one of the fader’s.
Along with this had countless issues running it with Pro Tools, went through the installation processes properly several times, unfortunately could never get it to run anything like it should, things like connectivity, buttons just not working and once or twice faders just moving for no reason even though there was no automation on the track. These issues were random and I never knew what was going to happen when I sat down to do some mixing.
Now this is my issue the V1-M controller looks good but from your review I’m not convinced that there aren’t going to be any issues regarding using it Logic Pro (I switched from Pro Tools but that’s a whole different story) and with a price over here in the UK of between £920 to £950 is a lot of money.
When you see what you can buy from SSL UC-1 & UF-1, UF8 or the Nector Panorama for similar money or less ( I know these aren’t exactly the same).
The SSL stuff has an extremely good build quality and I’ve not heard of any real issues with faders, encoders or the jog wheel, along with this connecting and running Logic with them from what I can gather no issues. With the Nectar Panorama it was built for Logic and all the reviews I’ve seen rave about it.
So here’s my conundrum as much as I don’t have much faith in Icon and the cost is quite high for me (due to my past experience) I really like what I’ve seen and would suit my workflow, but don’t want to make the same mistake twice.
Now going to watch the Q & A that you have done on another video, keep up the good work you are doing an amazing job thank you
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I know user experience can be so different from DAW to DAW. I read all of the comments and many have a great experience and some have troubles. It's hard to say why. For gear like this I recommend purchasing from a reputable retailer and give it a good try while you still have a return window. Then you'll know for sure if it will work for you. Good luck!
Nice! Just thinking - how about a studio tour video?
I’ve been thinking about doing one. One more significant piece of gear SHOULD be arriving soon. Then it might be time for a tour. 😎🎸🤟🏼
I have a Slate Raven (touchscreen) along with there built in software that works great for me along with the mobile slate app when doing vocals can control functions standing away from desk - the Slate Raven can do so many cool shortcut type moves and works great opening , adding closing plugins - this Daw controller seems a bit much might as well just get a full on console -
It’s a different thing. Having real faders is a fun way to mix but it’s not always necessary.
I had decided on Faderport 16 since it’d pretty good and I have S1. But this looks pretty good.
Great combo for sure. Enjoy it!
Dan, thank you so much for this video! I was unaware of this product. Do you feel that this would be a very good controller to enter and edit articulation automation for VST orchestral libraries, such as Spitfire and Vienna Synchron? I have never had a control surface like this and don't yet understand them quite. I need to store and recall sets of the faders in sets of 8, and I am hoping to do this for about 75 sets. Can do this on this unit? May I ask, do you offer online screen share consults to help me get rolling? Thank you for this carefully crafted video!
Happy to help. I have a Patreon account linked in my description where you have options to connect with me. I offer discounts to my Patreon to connect with me on a video call. Perhaps I’ll see you there.
This is a great review, and you're great too! Love the guitaring. Shame on Apple for being so ( typically) stubborn and uncooperative. I still bought it though 😐
I have the QCon ProX, now selling. A little...quirky, but love the hardware. Icon's tech support is excellent, in my experience.
Thank you!
Thanks so much for positive vibes! Enjoy yours!
Dan, as with most control surfaces for me it's how well the plugins are laid out. With ProTools and a Mackie Control Universal I found it very limited. You had to scroll through to many "Pages" with only 4 of the rotary knobs being used at any given time. I now am on Reaper and use the MCU and CSI(third party programming to have Reaper and any MIDI style control surface work together). I be curious on how the V1-M works with plugins before I'd buy. The 24 panel touch screen does look like this could open up other aspects of the surface.
I did demonstrate how the focus feature gets you to the plugin functions quicker. It's not like a knob per function thing so it depends on how you like to work.
I want to get the mackie but this kinda sold me I love these .
Great device!
I suspect the focus mode is using the scroll input, maybe try changing the scroll direction in system preferences from natural to the old way. I wonder if that will fix the backwards input when using that focus hover control for plugins.
Icon identified this as something that will be corrected in a firmware update.
This is a fuckin awesome gear. Thanks for the video.
My pleasure!!
Is it possible to use V1M with softube console 1 simuteanously in LUNA ? Great video good job !
Thanks! I guess it's possible but they really depends on Luna and how it handles the protocols. I don't use Luna so I couldn't tell you for sure....maybe check in a Luna forum....
Do you know if the new assailment section could be programmed like say you can with a stream deck for daw short cuts :) Thinking of upgrading from Icon G series :)
Aside from predefined DAW functions there is also midi assignments. So in theory deeper customization is possible but I didn't get tat far. I'll add this question to the list for Icon. Cheers!
Thanks for the feedback :) I think if this were possible this would make this daw controller so much more than previous ver :) I find the Stream deck supper useful but to be able to but my main short cuts into the Daw controler would be even better :) @@LonelyRocker
Me again. Having watched this video several times, something occurred to me, regarding the exciting touch-sensitive panel. When I first saw it, it reminded me of Stream Deck, which I own. I think, ultimately, Icon are onto a real winner here, because they could surely exploit this and get deeper with third-party plugins. Imagine being able to call up any plugin you own, both FX and instruments, and have them inserted into the selected track. I'm sure they could construct an entire layer dedicated to this, and even somehow let the user assign icons of their choice to the various plugins in the panel layer, like Stream Deck. It's only 1's and 0's. Right? 😉
Who knows what the future holds! That would be awesome if it were possible.
I don't have it but I wouldn't be surprised if there some polarity settings. Even with the Mackie Protocol.
Check in the manual. You might have missed some customizable functions there.
I had to do similar setting for older mackie protocol devices in the past.
Thanks for this, the Icon looks awesome. I'd love to try it!
I found out it's actually a small detail that will be updated in the next firmware...I'll include that in my update video...
@@LonelyRocker Great! Now you're rolling!
Hello, thank you for taking the time to provide us with information about this product. Unfortunately, I've been experiencing a nightmare with mine since I got it this past Saturday. I've already submitted a ticket to the manufacturer and plan to reach out to the store where I ordered it from tomorrow. I'm encountering numerous issues such as frequent freezing, driver issues, Protools not functioning properly (no LED meter), and Cubase freezing up and dropping the drivers. Despite loving the design and its sturdy build, I'm increasingly concerned that this unit might be faulty. As much as I admire its build quality, I might have to return it to the seller.
Sorry to hear you are having trouble. I'm sure they will take care of you. I didn't experience any of the things you are describing. Hope you get that sorted quickly!
@LonelyRocker Support replied today. So far, the Eucon remote was the issue. I still have some minimum encountered problems. Let's see.
Thank you!!!!
@@mannylocomengany updates?
With the expansions on icon's gear, how compatible are the generations? Can you connect old qcon with platform and use them together? What about the new ones? Any version compatibility?
Compatibility is actually with the DAW. The controllers don’t talk to each other. They are assigned by the DAW. So in theory if you can connect multiple devices you can assign them to work in sequence. I’ve mixed product lines before and it worked fine.
hi ! do the solo / mute buttons have a click ? what happens color wise when you press solo ? thanks !
No click...these are sturdy rubber buttons and the back lights change color when you press them...
"We have assumed control" made my Rush loving heart smile
Love me a good Rush reference!!!!
To make the most of the focus control, you should have centre section moved over to the middle so you can work 2 handed. It's better anyway, as you can have one hand on the mouse and one on the controller all the time.
I find this especially useful for intense editing with things like Melodyne.
Makes a lot of sense. I may play around with the setup. I arranged it that was so the transport section is closer to my guitar amps. I spend a lot of time on that side :)
@@LonelyRocker I record a lot of guitar as well. Maybe you need a foot control?
I have certainly thought about it.
@@tonedowne I have a midi foot controller. Tried it for a while but I never used it much. And I just kept stepping on it 🤪
@@LonelyRocker ha! Ok, I can see how that would be annoying
@tonedowne, while waiting on mine to get here hopefully by Christmas... That sounds like a good idea. I actually envision that being better than click and drag up or down, right-left, or what ever it answers to... always a pain. Right had on mouse, turn the dial. Especially with something like Mixbus32c. Won't even have to select a channel or track, just "point and turn"! Something that keeps a hand on the control section will also encourage more hands-on usage of the controller itself, instead of it just sitting there and looking pretty.
Great video and great info.
I am thinking of buying the controller unit. I am having difficulty finding places that sell the 8 channel extenders, however. Are they not released yet? Or am I just not getting good search results. Thanks as always.
One other question please. Can you tell me how wide (left to right measurement) the extender units are? Thanks.
Phil
NYC / Jersey Shore Area
Thanks! It's still so new. Icon dealers are just starting to get inventory. Keep in touch with your local dealer. Product is trickling in. The controller is a touch over 12 inches wide. Cheers for Toronto...
@@LonelyRocker Thanks for the info. I will keep an eye with my dealer as they do sell Icon gear and icon controllers, but they are not even listing the V1-M unit yet on their website, nor are they even saying that it is due for release soon...I do hope they (B&H in NY) will be selling these units as I have an account with them!...
Phil
NYC / Jersey Shore area
@@uptownphotography I believe ALTO Music has some in stock ... in NY
@@TheMixer1 Thanks very much for the info. I will check them out. All appreciated. I'll check your channel too!...
Phil
Jersey Shore Area...
Thank you for sharing this. One thing that I noticed, the numeric display on the small screens seems to be laggy, is that true?
No problem. No. The camera causes a flicker. Screens are fine.
I noticed that as well the display seems to look like it's flickering
@@chillwill809 That's because the frame rate of my camera is not in sync with the display on the controller...it's not actually flickering.
Thank you for the video!
I use a translator.
I also plan to take half a day icon. and for some reason I was sure that I could select any plugin and control all functions using faders and encoders without touching the mouse.
Cubase has a new remote midi function, when any controller can be programmed for anything.
For this case, I bought myself a Novation launch control xl and programmed it to work with plugins. All 24 encoders and 8 faders now control any plugin, even if the plugin has 30 settings. bliss. I don't touch the mouse at all.
I just close my eyes, pick up my controller and listen.
I would really like Icon to do the same thing. allowed me to control all the plugin's knobs without touching the mouse.
That sounds interesting. Clearly Icon is more focused on the mixing experience. But plug-in control is getting better. I think a dedicated controller for plugins is the way to go.
@@LonelyRocker thanks for the answer.
By the way, I noticed in your video that the screens had the names of the plugins and their settings. as if you can control the plugin.
or did it just seem to me?
Looking to pick up a mixer just to get the analog feel back...running an ssl12 interface with reaper...would you recommend the v1m or g2? They seem relatively similar with the g2 being more plug and play it seems? Would love to get your feedback. Thanks man
I’d say careful with the term “plug and play” when it comes to any controller. I love the G2. Have had it for years. It’s a solid controller. I believe it is being discontinued but you likely can still get old stock. It will keep working without any issues and is still a solid choice and will be cheaper. The VM-1 is latest and greatest. Really depends on your budget and needs.
@LonelyRocker lol yea I guess by plug n plug I was thinking about the control sw layer they're using on the new v1m. I love the pre-built sw settings for the daws, but I'm always a little hesitant to throw layers of sw stacked together as we all know the disaster that can end with on the windows side of things lol...hard call right now as they're only 200 bucks apart so it's hard not to just go with the new big dog...really appreciate the response...nothing will compare to the digidesign 002 days where it was spec built for the sw...someone needs to do something similar to that for less than avids 5k lol 👍
My pleasure...I always say with controllers to manage your expectations. They are fun to have but don't break the bank trying to acquire one. These devices should give you years of enjoyment but there is also the chance there will be issues at some point...I've been lucky with all of my motorized faders but you never know. If you can stomach one failing at some point then grab one for sure!
I really enjoy Icon controllers as well.
Great!
Does it work with OBS?? Use buttons to change scenes... or sound pads.. Use faders to mix inputs/outputs in OBS.
I don’t believe so. OBS would need to support Mackie.
Some suggestions for V1m..
1: could they wrap the text so that channel/plugin info stays in the relevant box?… or change the font size- would make plugins function way better.
2: could the stereo out be mapped to the master fader?- stereo out has a stereo meter- the Master could be sent to the jog wheel with the Master assign button toggling it.
3: multiple text colours on each touch screen layer please.
Thanks. Paul.
Unfortunately easier sad than done. If the DAW doesn't report those features to the protocol there is no way for the controller to send or receive that info....
nice video! is the jog wheel stepped like rotary encoders? does it have some resist (weight) to it? i`m confused why it doesn`t stay in place when you remove you finger from it on 13:08
Weighted, yes, stepped, no.
Correct...
@@LonelyRocker ...so why it doesn't stop when you lift your finger? What's the point if you fine adjust something with the wheel and it does not stay in that place and change some parameter by itself freefloating? Im very curious and positive about the product, but i find this really strange...
@@ChaxSouthSide
I don't believe it is going to be moving on its own. It is supposed to be hefty, and it would take a bit to move it if it is not already moving. The fact that it does slow down and stop itself after "giving it a spin" says something.
So....with the V1-M, firmware 1.10 in an existing Cubase 12 project or....a new project, how do I assign track faders? The unit seems to pick what it wants and skips or leaves out tracks and there is no way to select them.
I have Cubase 12 on Windows 10.
I'll add that to my questions for the next video. I'll get that video out early in the new year....
@LonelyRocker,
Do the track colors work with Mixbus, and with Studio One 6?
Also, do the second scribble strips work with both?
Great questions!! I will add these questions to the master list! thank you!
only if thoose companies have opened them up. it might be in the full manual or support might be able top answer that one for you
Now that you’ve had this for a while have you found any major problems or glitches. I am seriously considering the Icon as I use Logic and their layout looks more studio stylized than some of their competitors.
I’m old school and mixed on analog boards for years and these boards look very similar to that feel.
Love to hear your thoughts. You strike me as well versed on these so I would like to hear your thoughts.
Thanks. They are working fine. As an old school mixer you will need to manage expectations though. I like these for hands on control and feel. For mixing, panning, automation and transport control I pretty much get what I need. I find everyone has different expectations with these devices. But you can’t got wrong with the basics of mixing. I find it enjoyable and these have been performing well. Hope that helps!
@@LonelyRocker I’m tired of mixing with a mouse and keyboard shortcuts. I think I will pull the trigger and pick one of these up. My main concern is reliability and it seems like a solid piece of gear. Thanks for your feedback and your videos are helpful.
My pleasure! I hope it works out for you!
I am curious if this would be able to be programmed to work with mixing station?
I checked. It does support Mackie. Icon is not officially on their support list but it’s possible. I can ask Icon for the next video.
8:30 All Audient interfaces can do that! Good video anyway! Thank you!
Hey Dan, ok what is your honest feedback about Icon reliability? Because honestly I LOVE my QCon Pro G2 + Extender. However, having maybe too much fatih in Icon products like in any other music gears I ever had, being lucky to be never, never, NEVER defective, I cut my mixing desk to integrate them. I really found this integration soooo much sexy!... until both devices broke, one six months after the other. 😅 In one case a fader just became blocked in a position, in the other case the entire unit looked like not booting anymore once switched and all lights on, preventing any access to its USB connection or hidden settings. So both left of course each time a huge whole in my desk for more than 1 month... 😞 Now with this new product line, I really consider purchasing those (how crazy I am 🤔🤨), because they consist on a huge step forward and remain for me the best, professional looking and affordable option for numerous DAWs. But what is your personal experience of their products reliability, since you owned and used several models? I don't see myself purchasing spare units...
So, I have had a good experience with all of the controllers I have. I have had 5 different product lines. The wireless Nano was the worst of them all. The controller was fine but the wireless feature was inconsistent. I do have a relationship with Icon but I am NOT paid to make the videos for my channel. The Q Con Pro (White) G2, Pro X and Platform M+ have all worked properly. The White QCon is 5 years old now and still works fine. I have read comments from others who have had some issues. They are mechanical devices and a failure is always possible. Regardless of brand. And getting them fixed is not like taking an amp to the shop. That's the reality with controllers. So I always recommend buying them from a reputable retailer and make sure the warranty provided by the store is made clear. Hope that helps!!!!
@@LonelyRocker Thanks! Appreciate the honest answer. 😊 Indeed I think I was just not lucky for once. My retailer is Thomann so no issue with the repairs, just missed them a long time. 😅 I'll think about all that anyway for my next upgrade. 😉
@@jordanmarlez My pleasure...good luck! :)
looks great. I'm hopeful MIDI 2.0 replaces Mackie and everything else eventually.
We can hope! 🙏🏼
I would love a DAW controller to be able to load my fave plugins at touch of a button! Say hit a programmable button whilst a certain channel selected and it loads 'PROQ 3 in to insert 1'. hit another and loads my Compressor of choice into insert 2? By the way .. I have a scroll wheel on my mouse. Its so handy to hover and adjust ..faders, plug in knobs etc with ease
That's a pretty good idea. A special learn feature for favourite plugins. Like it!
I made the trip to NAMM 24 ( from the UK) and met the sales team at ICON. After a discussion they showed me using the touch panel how inset a plugin in to Slot 1,or slot 2 etc, though you did have to use the knob to scroll through which plugin you wanted...so not instant. i think the feature may not be far off though. Stream deck and Sound flow did do it and easily, so i am sure some software up date to a DAW controller may make it possible perhaps @@LonelyRocker
Is that controller good for protools or does it have too many limitations?
It definitely works with ProTools...I don't use PT but it supports HUI....
Do you have an opinion on how it compares to the presonus Faderport 8/16? Is the Integration into different daws significantly better here?
Like I said, unless the device is made specifically for the DAW the integration between major brands will be similar. It's the Mackie protocol and the DAWs access to it that dictates how deep it will integrate. So the Faderport will integrate best with Studio One. For everything else it will be similar...though the new Icon and the touchscreen just makes it easier to find different features on the controller.
what daw are you running? icon has choice if dozens! id check fader support for your daw first
When you say “Apple doesn’t provide this” are you referring to Logic or are you referring to DAWS running on Apple Devices?
I’m talking about Logic.
I bought the previous gen Nano. The biggest frustration is that the fader automation relates to the Volume and Pan ONLY. Regardless of what is highlighted in your automation lane, the fader will only respond to Volume and Pan. This rendered it immediately useless for my purposes, and it's been sitting on a shelf gathering dust ever since.
Having a motorised fader limited to automating merely two basic functions, when DAW automation lanes can control virtually every parameter imaginable, make these units antiquated before they even hit the market.
At least, that's my experience in Logic and Cubase. And I hear all the rhetoric about Mackie protocols, etc...
However, to make the situation even more frustrating...
The Icon Nano works in Ableton 11 the way you'd expect it to. The fader responds to the automation lane - regardless of what parameter is automated. And it works straight out of the box. No special config necessary - it just works. Why it can't do that in other DAWs is beyond me.
The reason is Mackie is just one part of the story. The other part is how DAW developers deal with the Mackie protocol. For example, Logic doesn’t send master fader values to Mackie so the controllers can’t display the master meter values. There’s no way for the controller to display it if the DAW doesn’t report it. Icon has worked directly with as many DAW developers as they can but companies like Apple are very uncooperative. That’s why the experience varies from DAW to DAW.
Hi. I just saw one guy complaining about a lack of plugin automation. Have you tried this yet ?
I don't understand "plugin automation"....Automation is DAW specific. If you map the control you want to automate to the board then you can easily write the automation...
@@LonelyRocker I think he was regarding the ability to write automation " on the fly " using encoders.
Were you able to get the master meter working with Logic Pro? I haven’t been able to
The problem is Logic not Icon. Logic doesn’t provide a way to send out that information. So external gear can’t display it.
@@LonelyRocker I saw a video of Ableton and Pro Tools with the same issue on this board though, which is why I was suspicious. I guess it is possible that they’re all missing it
@@LonelyRocker evidently is quite common master related metres not implemented in other daws.
Do you think there is an option to bring colors to the CS tracks on the additional screen?
It doesn't appear there are any colours in that second screen...
evidently Reaper lets you write your own scrips in the daw easily and does colours . i saw a youtube tutorial the guy had reaper and showed you how to do it. it was an icon controller cant remeber the model
All reviews on youtube are with logic
I really wish I could have covered off more DAWs but that gets tricky since I don't really use others...
What about fader noise is there any? And if so how loud is it?
They are pretty smooth...a little bit of sound but I barely notice it when my playback volume is at a normal level...
So do all functions work with Logic? Icon doesn't exactly have a stellar reputation in supporting the end user and solving issues.
It's kind of the same but mapping is so much easier now....and programming the screen gives you a lot of custom functions to access...
You can control 3 Daws at the same time and it comes with 18 premapped Daws. What if the Daw you work with is not in the list, can you still control it?
Great question, I'll ask Icon and include this question in the update...
Would be great if you can use the controller also with other media apps like video editor that support shortcuts to assign them to buttons like play/stop etc. Actually, having a customizable map in the DAW list that allows you to assign CC/shortcuts from any app to the butttons, knobs and faders is in the interest of most people. Using the 3 slots only for premapped DAWs is too much. There are only a every few people (mostly educators and business audio engineers) who use 3 DAWs simultaneously. It's much better when you can use it with media apps as well that support those functions like CC and shortcuts. Such a customizable map could be also useful for 3rd party DAWs that are not premapped. Thank you for your help!
I play live a lot using Mainstage 3 and one thing I really want is a motorized MIDI controller to be able to switch patches. Does the V1 support Mainstage 3? I have the icon i-keyboard nano 88 key and it works flawlessly.
The question is does MainStage support Mackie or hui? It needs to support that if the controller has any chance of communicating with it.
@@LonelyRocker yes mainstage does have Mackie support.
Then it could work but I can't say for sure....
@@LonelyRocker someone said that no mainstage is not supported at least on their latest hardware ive watched a tone of reviews on various models i ended up with the 1 channel p1-Nano single slider . youll notice if you open the choose a daw in the imap software that mainstage is not listed. its has a tone some i had never heard of even had one for Lumi
Would love to know how well this integrates with Reaper.
It’s supported. Should be fine.
Looks like a good start but...SSL have recently knocked it out of the park. For plugins you really need access to multiple pots mapped at the same time (well for those us used to analog).
Plugins will always be a challenge unless it’s a dedicated device but one device will never conform well to a multitude of plugins.
the 8 knobs work of my plugins i dont use the jog wheel . thats what the inst button on the screen is for rather than the focus
How do you control sends with this thing?
Don't think of this as a mixer....it's a controller...you can assign sends and things like that but much easier to use a mouse for things like that....
Looks nice in your room. For me I use something like SSL UC1 Or Console 1 for Mixing. Thats there job a know for every function of the eq and comp and so on. The V1-M DAW Controller's main function to me would be faders / pan/ solo and the transport. after that i would not expect anything more from it. As a consumer looking to buy this! the layout of the VU and the track name section would be my next reason im old and half blind and this is welcome. ? How Are the stream deck looking buttons. it looks like they are wonkie. Do you just need to learn the touch it takes to make them work. So i have my set up working for me ATM. Believe it or not if ICon reads this. The main reason i would get this is the track name readout. Sorry for typos.. just not feeling to good today, Stay Safe.
SSL makes greats tuff too. I've had one here. I'm mainly a mixing guy myself so main functions suit me most of the time. The touchscreen is great. I talked about it in the video. It's a great upgrade. Very responsive. Feel better!
Got ya On the touchscreen. I must have missed it. I will give it another watch.. There is lost to love about the V1-M Thanks for posting back.@@LonelyRocker
I generally dislike proprietary stuff locked to a single manufacturer, rather than an open standard. But since the open standard for this stuff is the old Mackie API, which is how many years out of date now? I definitely do have to concede that the SSL surfaces plus their plugins look like an amazing system for mixing on.
Just add the SSL UF8 to your UC1. The UF8 is a masterpiece and also look better and more modern than this unit.
The SSL is great. I also have Softube Console 1 and i love it to. But it took a dump on me about 2 years ago.@@Mikey__R
Can the Icon X extender work with the V1?
I'll say cautiously it "should". What I don't know is how the new iMap plays into this but I have mix and matched Icon controllers before. Keep in mind it is the DAW that manages this and not the controllers themselves...
@@LonelyRocker thanks for the speedy reply I'm planning on buying one for a birthday gift (to myself). I was all set to get the X..now I can't decide if the V1 is worth the extra $$$ (for the touch screen) or should I stick with my plan. So much pressure 🤦🏾♂️Ive watched a ton of videos about these Icons. Yours stood out the most. 💯 Just subbed. 👑 Keep Creating 👍👑💯
Thanks so much! Glad to have you here :)
Is the technology used for the faders the same in all new Icon devices? How is the quality and sound of the faders? Thanks!
I mentioned that in the video. They seem smoother than previous controllers. Feels nice and pretty quiet...
If you do make a follow-up, perhaps you could adress these two question. Cam the same DAW be used on all the DAW-buttons. I don't know of anyone (except RUclipsrs) who uses three DAWS. I'd rather be the master of one, than a jack of three!
Can the wheel be used in all three modes Jog/Scrub/Shuttle. Most controllers can noly access Jog and scrub. Nut NOT Shuttle! I am a bit concerned about Icon calling it a "Shuffle wheel". "Shuffle", not "shuttle". There is no such thing as "shuffling" when transport controlls are concerned. "shuffling" is something you do with a deck of cards. It sure looks as Icon is out to decieve people here. At least they fooled you, since you called it a "shuttle wheel"!
Both very good questions! I've got this on my list for the next video. thank you!
reply to question 1.....I was reading through the manual and it appears that you can. Set them as templates. I had the same question... here's from the manual..
Practical uses for the DAW modes
Some users might want to use two instances of the same DAW for, say buttons
DAW#1 and DAW#2. Why? Well, let's take Fernando. Fernando is a young, up and
coming producer and musician and he likes to master his own material too.
On a day-to-day basis, Fernando uses Cubase as his 'go to' DAW to record. He
has set up his template which he loads into Cubase and he has also set up the
touchscreen on his V1-M to load all of his favorite Cubase commands when pressing
DAW button #1, when recording and mixing.
When mastering, however, Fernando imports his final mix stereo files into his
mastering template in Cubase. Because this is a different task altogether, which
requires a different approach, he has organized different commands for mastering
purposes in Cubase which load when pressing DAW button #2.
Hope that helps
yes there are 4 ports in imap they appear in your daw settings port 1 is the first one port 2 then port 3 . port for is specifically not for the daw but for imap to talk to the hardwar. so what you do is simple just add 3 controllers to your daw in settings and set 1 to port 1 then next to port 2 and third port 3 . easy as just remember port 4 appears but dont set it for anything in your daw. Thats 1 reason why you must follow the order to start things. 1, start controlled then imap program lastly your daw. if you dont the daw might steal port 4 on some daws and it wont work
Could you test controller with the Mixcraft 10 Pro
Unfortunately I don’t use that…
Can the touch buttons be mapped to shortcuts/macros in Studio One? If so, this could finally be a DAW controller worth buying.
Great question! I’ve added it to my list to send. Thanks!
Will this (ever) work with UA Luna and Davinci Resolve fairlight?
I’ll add this question to my list to ask icon for the follow up video.
Luna is in the imap daw list you can choose but i dont have that daw to try
the meter bridge doesnt seem very responsive at all, it looks like they takes ages to dim to zero? that could be a real problem if thats the case
I honestly rarely reference those meters. With my monitors right in front of me I'm just always looking there....
that's fair. Id be similar, although it would be a bit of a dealbreaker for me until they manage to fix it, I'm sure it'd just be a firmware update down the road. don't really see the point of having meters that are only half useful@@LonelyRocker
Did they fix them since then?
What I think is a shame is that, although it is easier to control plugins with the Focus button, you still have to do this with the mouse and the encoder on the controller, and therefore in 2 movements: operate the mouse with the right hand to control the function (e.g. volume) and then go to the encoder with the same hand to increase or decrease. In many, even smaller studios, a trackball with a scroll ring is increasingly seen, which makes it possible to select and edit a virtual item (eg volume control of a plugin) in one and the same move.
I think the challenge is finding a “universal” way to do this. FORM FACTOR is such an important consideration. As well as differences between each DAW. The best DAW Controller would be the one each DAW developer would make for its own DAW. For most DAWs I don’t think there would be a market big enough to justify its existence. Plus, as I mentioned, the Mackie limitations. I think Icon has done a great job considering these very real challenges.
For me, having all of this taking up my entire desk space and still having to hook up a separate audio interface just doesn’t make sense. If this also had mic/line inputs at the back (like the Rodecaster Pro 2 or the Mackie Creator) so I could also connect my instruments directly without the need for a separate audio interface this would have been a fantastic set up.
Looks great though, but for now I’m very happy with my Rodecaster Pro 2 and single fader Behringer X Touch One control surface combo.
Icon had an audio interface module for the original QCon Pro but in the end it wasn’t practical. While it may seem convenient in the end it’s not. The controller and interface may have different life expectancies so linking the two is not a good idea. And an interface doesn’t actually take up desk space so it’s best, in my opinion, to have it as a separate device. But I get the desk commitment is too great for some people.
I got the P1 Nano it has same features just 1 slider but seems to work great on bitwig ableton and Logiic its about 8.5 inches square
I recently upgraded my Control surface from the Behringer X Touch One to the SSL UF1 and also bought the SSL UC1 Plugin controller. Fantastic combination with my Rodecaster pro 2.
Great surface. Any intel on it's success within Cubase?
Should be solid but I'll add this question to the update!
cubase evidental misses a few features someone said due to them notimplimenting it in the daw softare so a bit like logic somethings arnt open to the mackie contol so dont appear on the units cause its impossible so id go check it out somehow
I'm coming from a Behringer X-Touch (+ Extender) which has served me well, but I'm looking for something more sleek. Would love to hear comments about folks who are pondering to jump to the V1-m as well.
I'm personally not a big fan of Behringer. I think the Icon stuff feels a bit more pro but that's just me. Especially the new ones. they are definitely a lot sleeker than past models...
I had a behringer X-touch it got me wanting more. SSL is without doubt the most comprehensive Daw controller. Now the UF8 was out for awhile without many upgrades. but now is so great. To really get the best out of this system I would say that the UF8 ,UC1 and UF1 are what is needed. Starting out i would go with the UF8 and over time acquire the others.
What is really amazing is the free 360 software that is layed out like an SSL board which is controlled from UF8 and others. Really the best way is to go online and check these out yourself. Good luck and have fun.
SSL is great but it is geared mainly to it's own plugins. If you are mainly mixing with SSL channel strips its definitely the way to go. Though I have other thoughts about that I talked about in my buyer's guide video.
I am pondering, to the point I am just waiting on Thomann to send it to me, they already have my money! :)
I have the X-Touch and 2 Extenders. I have them raised up to almost a 45 degree angle. The scribble strips are still hard to read, even though I can get colors working with MB32C. I believe the strips will be so much more readable on these.
Turns out that these are actually a lil wider and deeper than the X-Touches, but I have the room.
The meters being at the top facing you will be better for me than on the surface facing up.
The labeling of the track buttons is so much better I believe.
On the X-Touch, next to the meter is the word "clip", which is also right next to the red record button.
"Oh shoot! I'm Clipping?!!!" Nope, just record armed.
On X-Touch, Rec, Solo, and Mute labels are between buttons.
Which one is it? The one above? The one below?!
Can be hard to tell, especially with clients wanting to push a button!
With ICON, and the labels on the buttons themselves, this fixes that.
For me, to get the banking working with the X-Touch and extenders and Studio One, I had to get MidiTranslatorPro, and program the heck out of it to make the screen move with the fader banks, and get 24 to bank at once instead of just 8, etc. Going back and forth from S1 and MB32C, meant having to turn off and on the X-Touches, possible reboot of the computer, and even re-assigning in MB sometimes. Also, with MB, the scribble strips didn't always populate until I would do something like delete the first track and put it back in.
The ICON's programable touch screen buttons. multiple DAW setup, 5 sets of shortcut buttons to swap through, I believe this is going to be awesome for me.
Even the focus feature and wheel will be great for me.
For instance...
Sure, I can hover over an eq knob on MB, and then click and drag up or down...
Or, move the mouse wheel (roll from top to bottom, lift finger, move back to top of wheel, roll more toward bottom, do again, and again)
Or now, just hover over with mouse with right hand, and turn the big meaty knob with my left, and if I use the finger in the indention, spin to my heart's content without stopping, lifting, replacing, wash rinse, repeat...
I have the iCon QCon Pro X, V1-M is the new modal. The Pro X is an amazing piece of gear and I love using it so much I don't see the need to upgrade to the V1-M as amazing as it looks.
Hi there!
Can you please help me?
I have the p1-m but the problem must be the same...
I can obviously move the faders from 8 to 8 but when I use the arrows just on the left it doesn't move them from 1 to 1 which is very annoying. it just goes from page 1 to 2 on PAN if that's what's selected...does anyone have the problem or have a solution in mind?
thanks
You should really contact Icon support. That would be your best way to figure this out. Share what you learn if you do. Good luck!
Hi thks ! icon dont reply unfortunatlty but someone reply me on youtube and with cubase i just need to use SHIFT to switch 8 in 8 to 1 in 1 !! i'm very happy it was a real problem for me !
Thks !@@LonelyRocker
@DocteurVapo glad you got it sorted!
how is it compared to uf8?
The UF8 is pretty slick but I prefer how the V1-M has real extenders....
So.... Focus turns a one handed function into a two handed function.
Hover over the control with the mouse, then, instead of clicking and dragging your mouse (while your hand is already on it), use your other hand to move the Jog Wheel, unless you're in Pro Tools where the Jog Wheel doesn't work
I don’t have ProTools so I can’t test that but I will throw that question into the list for Icon.
This is exactly what I was thinking as I watched. Doesn't seem to make it any easier or quicker.
I want I want. How much for this setup?
Check you Icon dealer!! Prices may fluctuate around the world...
SSL or ICON? I will be testing :D
That is the question!
is it compatible with FL ?
It sure is!
Wait-- it can be expanded to 64 channels?
That's what they say!
what does it offer that SSL UF8 doesn't ??
I like that it has separate extenders for expansion. The UF8 is a killer controller but I don't like the fact you have to buy additional main units for more faders. Aside from that, it just comes down to personal preference....
@@LonelyRockerAlso im finding that flat display on SSL is difficult to read in seating position. Icon V1 has elevated display which i feel would be more useful. anyways thanks
Is the master out LED still dead on this model or has it been fixed now? ... I was actually about to buy a Pro X this weekend, but at the last minute, discovered that this part of the meter bridge doesn't work with any DAW except Bitwig, and I didn't like the "pass the buck" attitude the manufacturer appeared to take regarding sorting it (they basically told their customers to take it up with their DAW developer rather than dealing with the developers themselves and organizing the necessary integration, BEFORE selling it as a feature and taking people's money) ... If this information is incorrect, or the problem has now been resolved, I would still like to buy one, but currently it's put me off tbh ... Thanks
There is an appetite for products like this but unfortunately the experience is different from DAW to DAW and there is NO way to fix it unless the DAW developers cooperate. It’s a reality for EVERY manufacturer of these devices unless it is a controller made for a specific DAW like what Presonus does. Apple will not open its developer kit to third party controllers so there are gaps like the master meter. But there are a ton of great features too that work perfectly well. If it’s not for you I get it but the overall experience far exceeds not having one at all.
@@LonelyRocker I was hoping you were going to tell me that my info was out of date and it had been fixed, but thanks for the reply anyway, I appreciate it. I'm not sure about the new model in your video (which does look awesome, I must admit!) but the Pro X comes with Cubase labelling installed out of the box, so while I agree with your point, I think that it would be reasonable for any customer to expect that it would at least work properly with Cubase... Personally, a controller with motorized faders is what I'm interested in, and this one with a beautiful meter bridge just added a level of cool that I couldn't resist, but seeing one meter not working on it every day would be like sitting at a console with a blown channel for me, a constant negative distraction, so i'll give it a miss. 😔
It's a tough business when you can't control all of the features of your own product but Icon has done well considering. They have really tried to get all DAW makers to cooperate. Many have but Apple and Avid are very hard to work with. If I want to see the master fader I just load another DAW :)))))
I've used the Pro X with XS for a couple of years now, and you guys are absolutely correct...it depends on the DAW. Using mine with Reaper and CSI has all my meters working (including masters), and I've managed to get the controller exactly where I want it via CSI.
It would appear that this would be an easy fix if you could assign the stereo out to this master fader rather than it just assigned to the master fader in the daw! The master fader doesnt have an active meter in logic so id presume thats why there isnt one sent to the meter bridge! Surely a quick fix would be reassigning the master fader in imap! No? Easy fix for icon?
9:00 - "it operates backwards" - lol, I bet that's because jog wheel just becames simply a mouse scroll wheel :D try jog wheel in browser (Safari, Chrome, whatever) to see if it scrolls page.
and if that's true - that's reason why it operates backwards - because of stupid macOS "natural scrolling" which is one setting for both touchpad (where it makes sense) AND mouse (where it doesn't) so it's backwards when you have that enabled :P
I was told Icon will be fixing this in the next firmware release :)
I saw anither video of how many bugs it actually has :) So until these are gone - no hype :)
Don’t read into “bugs”. With it supporting so many DAWs you will hear some who have issues. But Icon is updating the firmware pretty regularly.
I’m waiting on the day a full sized motorized fader daw controller with 8 or so faders is under $200
That might be a long wait 😅
Just received this today. Running with logic. Major issues when switching banks of tracks. The meter bridge completely freezes and shows misleading levels. Can’t believe software gets released with bugs like this. So fundamental. Guess I’m going to have to send it back. Real shame.
Did you update the firmware? Also not loading iMap correctly will cause issues.
Yes. I’ve updated the firmware and followed the CID order of loading IMap.
Then best to contact Icon support....
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And I assure you the product support is not there. If they are they are overloaded and will not respond to you quickly.
Nothing beats a wired qwerty keyboard and wired mouse
For some. Sure 😎
It´s only for the good visual "feeling". With mouse keycommands and macros you are much faster... We have modern times, such controllers are slow downer. save your money.
Honestly, it's a personal thing, I fly on the mouse a lot of the time. But sometimes I like to kick back and grab the faders and just listen. Best of both worlds....
It’s still missing the point, it needs more knobs to be like a real mixing desk and of course for manipulating plugins. 😔
Not sure how that would work.
That Focus Function is old and very silly, a Trackball with a Jog wheel can do that and are other devices that are even more precise,
Well it was my first time seeing it and I like how it’s incorporated into the controller. I think many will find it useful.
@@LonelyRocker well. the format looks cool,
it makes no sense to hover over a plugin with the mouse and then manipulate a plugins parameter. when you are there with the mouse, you could directly instead manipulate it with the mouse :)
But some people like to kick back and get their hand off the mouse. If you step back and listen when making tweaks then it makes more sense.
Until we can throw away our computer's keyboard and mouse DAW controlers are pretty useless. SSL has the best one so far with their channel strip controler + fader packs.
Not at all. I have been using their controllers for years. Great pure mixing tools. But everyone is different. Doesn’t make them universally useless.
@@LonelyRocker I'll mix a song with automation way faster with a mouse than a semi-controler. Can't control everything easily.......than it's barely a semi-controler.
what kind of hype? This is a good controller, nothing more.
From my perspective there is hype because I field a TON of questions about it....
What's the point of focusing on something if you can just click on it to change the value. I swear, there needs to be a meeting of the minds when it comes to standards in the audio industry. MIDI is really the only success story I know of, and it's from the '80s.
It’s the only way they can access the plugins. There will never be a universal standard. So they got creative.
I'm going to make a video documenting the problems I had with this product. If you know the people in this company and you want to avoid the bad press that i'm about to give then please let me know how to get ahold of them
They are not responding to a customer support ticket.
But it's even worse than that which I am about to document.
People need to be worn about this product.
Sorry you are having issues. It’s a new product and Icon will be releasing new firmware updates to address any issues that come up. Thst being said, I do not work for Icon and I do not have any insight into their plans or how quickly they can deal with issues. I can’t share personal information about any of my contacts but I promise I will raise any issues I hear about to them when we speak next.
I don’t know who you met but the people I know are really good guys. I can imagine they get a lot of emails and it’s hard to keep up especially if customer service is not their job. I’m also not making excuses for them and do hope someone gets back to you. But I promise I will do what I can to get some information.
@LonelyRocker They were very cordial people without a doubt.
I just completed my video about my experience and I will be uploading shortly. I'm going to tell the truth without sugar coating.
@@LonelyRocker And thank you for your response. And for your willingness to help. I do appreciate it.
And when and if I can get this product to work I will praise it.
@@lfm119 Do what you have to do! That is your right. And good luck. I hope you figure this put. And keep an eye on my channel as I will be doing an update video...
Icon are absolutely crap. Save your money