ICON is notorious for bad quality components.. so yeah, you having a knob that doesn't work as nicely as the others is par for the course. It's made on the cheap in China with exactly the kind of quality control you'd expect with such a company. Think "Behringer" but even worse quality control. As for admitting fault, don't ever expect it from them.. nor should you expect fixes. They have a long track record of being a really dodgy company. Beware.
Hi, thank you for your comment. While I cannot confirm what you are saying, I do get the impression of this, unfortunately. I wanna remain open and "give a chance" but so far it is not looking good, and I know that iCON are aware of the customer base saying this. Unless things change, I won't feel comfortable buying more products, which in a sense is very sad, since I love the concept of the touch screen being able to program things - and what if they come up with new concept in to a future controller? If I remain as uncomfortable as I am currently - no buy.
@@mix-in That is indeed my main grief with the company. They have awesome potential with well designed products but it's all useless if it's badly made. If they ever do turn around the company for the better I may invest in one of their controllers at some point in the future but once you ruin your reputation it's very difficult to get the trust back from potential customers.
Thanks for this video. After i watched it I decided to buy... Presonus Faderport v2 to use with "midi remote script" made by some Cubase user... which is the closest to the discontinued CC121.
With the midi remote script for the P1-M, it is actually much better. Problem is though that you do not get all features from the Mackie protocol and I really like some of the non included ones, such as the global sends feature.
Great video, was going to consider this DAW controller as well as the SSL. Unfortunately as soon as you said there was an issue with one of the encoders that was me out, the reason being I had a Icon QCon from new when I unboxed it and set it up I had the same problem with one of the encoder’s and there was to much travel in one of the faders. For me this isn’t a coincidence, the Icon is cheaper than the SSL controller and I suppose you get what you pay for, it looks good and has some amazing features but I’ll be going with the SSL UF1 & UF8. Thank you for pointing out the issue or I might have made the same mistake twice.I wrote this before getting to the end of the video. Now I watched it all , in conclusion for me I wouldn’t buy an Icon product again as I have no faith in them as I also had issues with software and connectivity as well as the hardware. Keep up the good work
Thank you for your comment. I personally feel iCON wants to be serious but they fall short, due to these irregularities. The encoder issue, from my point of view, could be pure coincidence. But I have heard sooo many having software issues and this is NOT a coincidence. Despite having new bugs, (minor fortunately still) I remain more happy than unhappy with my purchase. BUT - I do not feel any certainty and therefore, unless things change, I will probably not return to iCON for more purchases.
Very informative. This isn’t the first video I’ve seen with someone mentioning those same problems. I’ll wait awhile longer before I get this so they’ll have time to correct these issues
Thanks To You... Very Few Videos On the Product ICON... Must Buck Up... Product Is Good ICON Please help[ your Customers No Proper Reply on the mails .. Even For the Problem shared on the Email... Its Easy They Can Do it Since they Know the Product in and Out... I will to make a video for the problem that i faced so that no has to go through the same thing @ ICON u should too have Simalr videos of each and every Parameters explained
You have my gratitude for revealing these issues. I was thinking “too cheap to be true” and I guess I’m right. It’s a real shame because the control surface market is simply starving for such a product. Again, many thanks for your candid review.
The product is good but the software is buggy. Today my touch screen froze for some minutes then started working again. Is it deal breaking? Maybe not but adding it along the other buggs it is certainly annoying.
@@artysanmobile Means a lot! I plan to upload more and more regularly, I am just quite busy, have some "knots" I have to untie before start making more videos. But they are coming, thanks again!
So wait .. I am surprised no body is talking about the connectivity issue … is that an overall behavior ?? Does it really needs to be directly plugged to your computer .. for me that is a deal breaker .. more with MacBook Pro 3 ports limitation .. can you guys advice ?
😳.....😅Glad i saw this video and comments about it's performance. Was really loving the looks of this controller and the bigger versions but it goes to show that looks are not everything. Icon apparently didn't want to invest anymore money in R&D i guess and decided to use consumers as bug hunters instead of taking the time to properly test and fix software/hardware issues. I must admit though that i was already skeptical about their controllers and software stability when during their demos it was shown that you have to hold down a specific button when starting up your daw. I was like "oh, looks like their programmers cant figure out how to get the Daw and controllers to immediatly communicate with each other during DAW startup without resorting to an end users physical intervention." They need to fire their programmers.🤨
Great video! I had my eye on many of the new controllers out there before I posted my video on my favorite controller which is unfortunately discontinued. But it does control plug-ins flawlessly. Unfortunately again, it's only made for Pro Tools. However there is software that makes it work with most DAWs. I can't vouch for the functionality. Here is a link to that video: ruclips.net/video/9GFzHSvhevE/видео.htmlsi=M8ePjVe-QmeZOWFg
You are right about the third encoder. I just got mine and had it for two weeks and mine does the same. The LED light for the third and fourth channel reads when there’s nothing on the track. The master button half works and this is fresh out the box with the firmware update. The jog wheel works but I notice by default when you turn it it’s just works for each cut or break within your track. For instance, if recording a two track the wheel will do start to end and if you split the beat by making a drop it will got to the next end point or start. I know I’m need to go back and see why my encoder’s are not working with my plugins. I see the red circles around my plugin but when I select Eq or plugin button my device continues to pan. I have the encoder problems, automation, and aux mix and send smh. I’m thinking bout sending it back. I’m looking at the UF8 by SSL. You’re right, they failed with customer service as well as instructions, & certain functions. Great idea tho from what I’ve played with over the years. I feel they should send out massive updates like MPC does to not only make the system better with new upgrades but fixing all the issues that’s been happening over the time of there old and new releases.
Can I ask what system/daw you are using? Seriously, your 3rd encoder specifically is starting to wear out? Would be quite a coincidence. I guess I'm one of the "lucky unlucky ones". I have issues but they are not like yours, and I can still use the P1-M to improve my workflow. Worth noting I have NOT updated and probably will not until I hear from plenty of people that things are stable. I am still on 1.05 Firmware with the 1.06 iMAP
@@mix-in I’m using Pro Tools along with Ableton live and back and forth with FL and Logic when I switch to my Mac. I’m always using my custom PC set up tho but the same problems are on both systems. I just did a calibration on it just now to see if that does anything.
I've been checking out a few DAW controllers. Everything looks good, but they're all too expensive for just a controller. So I decided to build a touch screen monitor instead. Alternatively, I might consider buying a digital mixer like the Behringer Wing if I want to spend that much money, rather than just on a controller like the SSL UC1 or UF1-8, etc..
There is also a 10 to 20ms delay between doing something on the Icon P1M and the action in the DAW aka computer. They need to fix that issue very quickly.
@@mix-in Nope, it has to be done by Icon themselves because its an Icon problem. Some DAWs allows for latency manipulation with the DAW, but just be aware, it will throw everything else off, way off. Icon needs to deal with this major problem themselves, and fast.
I guess if you have these issues you just return it to the shop within 3 years in sweden and get it replaced. And then you can continue every 3rd.year 😂
is that how it works?:P Hopefully iCON fixes my issues somewhat soon. I am uploading a feedback video today directed towards iCON, hopefully it can show clearly what my experience is, and perhaps some of "you viewers" can relate somehow. I just want transparency and good relationship with the companies I shop from (and of course working products).
Mackie Control protocol is the problem alot of the time . If you choose a different daw like cubase some things will work and others not it depends if it is implemented with your DAW and the Mackie control protocol. Driven by Moss is an expert of Mackie protocol and various daws he does scripts for bitwig and reaper
Looks a bit like an audio focused Stream Deck. It’s of course largely hard coded for the audio paradigm, but a lot of real flexibility seems to open up a lot of other possibilities.
Thanks for the review! For the encoder knobs doing something wonky like that when you do quick turns, I also experienced that with my other DAW controllers over time. Usually, a quick spray of de-oxit in in the crevice between knob and where it connects to the “potentiometer” fixes it. Try it, hopefully it can work for you.
@@mix-in if i have any issues i will return it straight away to the reseller. Their service is good in Germany thank god. But I'll let you know as I will have different issues using logic and Mackie protocol. Also I thank you for showing that you can use copy paste on the display as I use it during arranging a lot. ❤
@@bigN-422 If there is no risk for you then absolutely go for it! My pleasure - you can put whatever key-command you have in your DAW on the screen, not only copy and paste, which is great!
tbh, i have tried a few iCon products and they all suffer from knob jittering... so no, they will not fix it, it's a cheap rotary component and no software can fix that... you will either have to live with it or sell it. I personally find this unacceptable and a lot of features they promise, just do not work it practice. I do not recommend iCON products, no matter how tempting they seem at first glance.
I hear you and understand your view. If there would be similar hardware issues on the V1-M then I certainly would agree. With the P1-M that is not that high when it comes to the price, I somehow find it acceptable with imperfect hardware. That does not mean of course that it is to be expected for the hardware to break or wear out, but I think you get my point. I am generally happy with the purchase, despite the non-premium hardware feel. I love when it feels premium, but no other was as compact, except the console 1 MK3 from softube, but I wanted faders, and the small size was THE determinator. Lastly, as I say in the video, I am not fully comfortable recommending it nor fully purchasing more from iCON how things are looking now. It may change, it may not.
I will do my review soon! Such a mess! Update problems! Controller not recognised from apple m3! Pff… the machine get stuck ect ect… too many issue mate! Despite the fact i love it!😢
I am also on a M1 Mac like @groovechild9903 As I mentioned I had disconnecting issues as well. Have you made sure that the P1-M is directly plugged in to the computer + made sure that the port 4 of the P1-M is inactive/not shown in your daw? That is all I can think of to help.
@@mix-in bro trust me when you see my reel you understand that my P1-M is completely fuck*ed! Is plugged in the wall and usb straight on mac mini M1 No port 4 is selected anyway. Still nothing is not even turn on anymore😂
I've just removed this controller and the meter bridge from my thomann basket. I have no experience with any icon products and after watching your very frank and revealing review they are not a company I want to spend my money with. Cubase is a leading very well established DAW and I would expect seamless integration and what you have demonstrated is just not good enough. Did u use the SSL controller with Cubase or some other DAW? If so, how did you find its integration with Cubase ?
While they are guilty of everything you said, I asked them for a feature before buying my Nano. They promised to add it, I bought it, and a few days later they contacted me with a new firmware to install. So I think they're very open to communication, even if their quality control is not close to bigger/more expensive competitors.
Hey @mix-in, Just to follow up from your comment on my vid. My issues are as follows: Can’t update device with apple silicone m2. The meter bridge does not give out the proper response (bugs out every know and then). The banks does not work with ableton live (unless there’s a workaround. And the plugin window that can be controlled with the encoders is kind of finicky on my device.Apart from that everything else is ok. These bugs depends on the DAW of choice. I also agree with your last statement. I don’t know if I would recommend this device to everyone, and would love for the company to be open on the negative aspects on the device and to encourage us (the consumer) that these problems are being resolved if they are working on getting them resolved.
Thank you a lot for sharing your experiences. I unfortunately expected you to have issues. I feel less "lost" hearing you share the same experience that you cannot really recommend it. I personally want to because my experience is generally positive, but I know that the issues may differ, and perhaps be much worse than mine. Fingers crossed and twirled that iCON is OPEN with this. The longer time passes, the higher the risk is for me personally I abandon the company, which is not amongst my highest wishes.
The Pro- x is buggy as heck. The motorized faders are noisy, they have this weird vibration issue, the master meter does not work, the faders don't return to zero when closing a session, on and on and on.
Tack så hemskt mycket, jag ska försöka hänga i! För tillfället har jag saker både höger och vänster som händer men jag har en tilltro att saker kommer landa ganska snart och att jag kommer kunna ladda upp regelbundet.
The tiny jog wheel is indeed a joke. And are those abracadabra abbreviations on the display a remnant of the old Mackie protocol? Lots of missed opportunities by Icon on this controller.
Fortunately I don't have a big need for a jog wheel in my workflow, but if it would be bigger and more like the Nucleus, perhaps I would want to. I also agree that iCON missed opportunities here - If I were them I would try to break free from the Mackie protocol with this controller. They are marketing these controllers as "THE NEW GEN" and imagine if they actually would break free from the Mackie and fix the software bugs. My guess is that these controllers would sell like crazy, however I think that these two things prevent them from doing that. I actually believe it is closer to the opposite. Even if I bought this and I am relatively happy with it, I am most likely not to continue with iCON unless they start to address things, and I think my opinion is close to the general opinion, at least for the new iCON user base.
@@mix-in I think it would be rather difficult to get DAW makers to implement a new locked protocol, so if iCon developed it, they would have to share it with other hardware makers. What we need is the DAW industry, getting together, in some sort of organization and fix a few things. A standard DAW project format. I don't think it would hurt any company, as more people with use more than one DAW, and people that switch, would have an easier time switching back. We also need a new, smarter plugin format, with look-ahead, cross channel communication, network audio and control per channel (to network several computers, in a simple way), and more. And we do need a new control protocol, that actually works, with naming, ordering, presets and custom re-ordering and so on. At leas iCon did solve the fader control issue that most mackie controllers have in ableton, where the fader can't send max control value. SSL also solved this. I really wanted to get the P1-m, but your review but it was a bit more expensive including the display, than I was expecting, and now this review. And another complaining about the transport controls sitting too close to the jog wheel. It is too bad, because the size of this unit is pretty good. And I think SSL really effed up with their UF8 design. Buttons with no function. Duplicated controls when using multiple ones. And a deisgn that is horrible for anyone that would like to use more than one.
color coding on all similar controllers, as well as second display, has never been universally supported on all DAWs. No other mackie based controller will show color with cubase, I would assume.
While I didn't plan to make more videos about the P1-M, at least not for a while, I think I want and "need" to. I want to address things more clear and exact what my issues are. It is mostly how the company don't give the respond the troubled customers have. At the same time I could go through stuff I've noticed with the updates. So basically yes this will probably be my next video.
@@mix-in cool :) i got the p1 Nano and i don´t know how to use edit with cubase and plugins. i will have to look your video one more time to see, if this topics are here! thanks for the video!
Thank you for the review, the device has very interesting and compelling points for the purchase of it. However, I am undecided whether to get the "Icon" or the "Behringer X Touch". Merely rom the size, the choice would already go to the "Icon". I hope to find a review as comprehensive as yours for the Behringer.
Thank you, glad you found it compelling! If you are willing to risk potentially encountering numerous bugs/issues or if you can purchase it from a distributor that gives you the ability to return the device no matter the reason (like thomann) then I would say go for it. I experience that the problem is (I probably have commented this 100 times now haha) that the experience is so irregular. My impression is some people have no issues at all and are bemused at hearing these kind of stories, where others totally experience it. If you are wondering what kind of bugs I have, check out my other video I posted.
So guess what... I've purchased it yesterday to use it with my Logic pro and immediately encountered massively issues ! Freezes all the time and disconnects showing the message I have to adjust the clock between logic and the external device !?! So there will be a lot of communication with the support to be started...
@@AleDZmusicProd Not what I wanted to hear.. The help I can give you, which you probably already know is making sure it is connected straight to the computer, nothing in between. Now the support I had also told me to "hide" the 4th port of the iMAP. I do not know Logic, but if there is a way to "hide" or "disable" the 4th port inside logic, make sure you try that!
I enjoyed your informative video and would like to add that one of my disappointments with the P1M is that when you switch channel 8 to Master you lose the LED’s volume level which means you have to rely on your computer monitor to see the levels of the Master Channel.
Hi, I believe this is a Mackie Control protocol limitation (at least in Cubase). I remember reading about similar issues on surfaces that had a dedicated master fader and meter.
@@mix-in within the MCU protocol, yes, I believe. They could use Midi Remote scripts though. But this only works in Cubase. But true, they could do better.
ICON is notorious for bad quality components.. so yeah, you having a knob that doesn't work as nicely as the others is par for the course. It's made on the cheap in China with exactly the kind of quality control you'd expect with such a company. Think "Behringer" but even worse quality control. As for admitting fault, don't ever expect it from them.. nor should you expect fixes. They have a long track record of being a really dodgy company. Beware.
Hi, thank you for your comment.
While I cannot confirm what you are saying, I do get the impression of this, unfortunately. I wanna remain open and "give a chance" but so far it is not looking good, and I know that iCON are aware of the customer base saying this. Unless things change, I won't feel comfortable buying more products, which in a sense is very sad, since I love the concept of the touch screen being able to program things - and what if they come up with new concept in to a future controller? If I remain as uncomfortable as I am currently - no buy.
@@mix-in That is indeed my main grief with the company. They have awesome potential with well designed products but it's all useless if it's badly made. If they ever do turn around the company for the better I may invest in one of their controllers at some point in the future but once you ruin your reputation it's very difficult to get the trust back from potential customers.
Thanks for this video. After i watched it I decided to buy... Presonus Faderport v2 to use with "midi remote script" made by some Cubase user... which is the closest to the discontinued CC121.
With the midi remote script for the P1-M, it is actually much better. Problem is though that you do not get all features from the Mackie protocol and I really like some of the non included ones, such as the global sends feature.
Great review. I like the slow, detailed explanations
Great video, was going to consider this DAW controller as well as the SSL. Unfortunately as soon as you said there was an issue with one of the encoders that was me out, the reason being I had a Icon QCon from new when I unboxed it and set it up I had the same problem with one of the encoder’s and there was to much travel in one of the faders.
For me this isn’t a coincidence, the Icon is cheaper than the SSL controller and I suppose you get what you pay for, it looks good and has some amazing features but I’ll be going with the SSL UF1 & UF8.
Thank you for pointing out the issue or I might have made the same mistake twice.I wrote this before getting to the end of the video.
Now I watched it all , in conclusion for me I wouldn’t buy an Icon product again as I have no faith in them as I also had issues with software and connectivity as well as the hardware.
Keep up the good work
Thank you for your comment. I personally feel iCON wants to be serious but they fall short, due to these irregularities. The encoder issue, from my point of view, could be pure coincidence. But I have heard sooo many having software issues and this is NOT a coincidence. Despite having new bugs, (minor fortunately still) I remain more happy than unhappy with my purchase. BUT - I do not feel any certainty and therefore, unless things change, I will probably not return to iCON for more purchases.
Very informative. This isn’t the first video I’ve seen with someone mentioning those same problems. I’ll wait awhile longer before I get this so they’ll have time to correct these issues
Thank you. Yes I suggest you do. I still have not get my issues resolved - very unfortunate.
I have the Icon P1-Nano and do not have any of these issues and plan to upgrade to the P1-M
I am very happy it is working for you!
Thanks To You... Very Few Videos On the Product ICON... Must Buck Up... Product Is Good ICON Please help[ your Customers
No Proper Reply on the mails .. Even For the Problem shared on the Email... Its Easy They Can Do it Since they Know the Product in and Out... I will to make a video for the problem that i faced so that no has to go through the same thing
@ ICON u should too have Simalr videos of each and every Parameters explained
Thank you! I agree basically on everything you said!
You have my gratitude for revealing these issues. I was thinking “too cheap to be true” and I guess I’m right. It’s a real shame because the control surface market is simply starving for such a product. Again, many thanks for your candid review.
The product is good but the software is buggy. Today my touch screen froze for some minutes then started working again. Is it deal breaking? Maybe not but adding it along the other buggs it is certainly annoying.
@@mix-in Big thanks. I’ve subscribed to see your followups and other reviews.
@@artysanmobile Means a lot! I plan to upload more and more regularly, I am just quite busy, have some "knots" I have to untie before start making more videos. But they are coming, thanks again!
@@mix-in 👍🏽
The SSL units (UF8, UF1, UC1) blow this away by miles.
Streamdeck XL it is then.
4:02 lost opportunity to Change clothes randomly right after saying you dont. I would've lmao if you did that 😅
Thx for the review
So wait .. I am surprised no body is talking about the connectivity issue … is that an overall behavior ?? Does it really needs to be directly plugged to your computer .. for me that is a deal breaker .. more with MacBook Pro 3 ports limitation .. can you guys advice ?
😳.....😅Glad i saw this video and comments about it's performance. Was really loving the looks of this controller and the bigger versions but it goes to show that looks are not everything. Icon apparently didn't want to invest anymore money in R&D i guess and decided to use consumers as bug hunters instead of taking the time to properly test and fix software/hardware issues. I must admit though that i was already skeptical about their controllers and software stability when during their demos it was shown that you have to hold down a specific button when starting up your daw. I was like "oh, looks like their programmers cant figure out how to get the Daw and controllers to immediatly communicate with each other during DAW startup without resorting to an end users physical intervention." They need to fire their programmers.🤨
Great video! I had my eye on many of the new controllers out there before I posted my video on my favorite controller which is unfortunately discontinued. But it does control plug-ins flawlessly. Unfortunately again, it's only made for Pro Tools. However there is software that makes it work with most DAWs. I can't vouch for the functionality. Here is a link to that video: ruclips.net/video/9GFzHSvhevE/видео.htmlsi=M8ePjVe-QmeZOWFg
Thank you so much! I will make sure to take a look at that!
You are right about the third encoder. I just got mine and had it for two weeks and mine does the same. The LED light for the third and fourth channel reads when there’s nothing on the track. The master button half works and this is fresh out the box with the firmware update. The jog wheel works but I notice by default when you turn it it’s just works for each cut or break within your track. For instance, if recording a two track the wheel will do start to end and if you split the beat by making a drop it will got to the next end point or start. I know I’m need to go back and see why my encoder’s are not working with my plugins. I see the red circles around my plugin but when I select Eq or plugin button my device continues to pan. I have the encoder problems, automation, and aux mix and send smh. I’m thinking bout sending it back. I’m looking at the UF8 by SSL. You’re right, they failed with customer service as well as instructions, & certain functions. Great idea tho from what I’ve played with over the years. I feel they should send out massive updates like MPC does to not only make the system better with new upgrades but fixing all the issues that’s been happening over the time of there old and new releases.
Can I ask what system/daw you are using?
Seriously, your 3rd encoder specifically is starting to wear out? Would be quite a coincidence.
I guess I'm one of the "lucky unlucky ones". I have issues but they are not like yours, and I can still use the P1-M to improve my workflow.
Worth noting I have NOT updated and probably will not until I hear from plenty of people that things are stable. I am still on 1.05 Firmware with the 1.06 iMAP
@@mix-in I’m using Pro Tools along with Ableton live and back and forth with FL and Logic when I switch to my Mac. I’m always using my custom PC set up tho but the same problems are on both systems. I just did a calibration on it just now to see if that does anything.
@@mrlawtontv Are you having the same issues on all systems/daws or do they differ from system/daw?
Thank you for your nice comments about this controller. Thumbs up. 👍👍
Thank you for watching and your kind words!
Great review!
Nice review man! Thanks!
Great review. Question, is the D4T display screen adjustable? Can you tilt it backwards and forward?
Thank you! It sure does, take a look at 3:16
I've been checking out a few DAW controllers. Everything looks good, but they're all too expensive for just a controller. So I decided to build a touch screen monitor instead. Alternatively, I might consider buying a digital mixer like the Behringer Wing if I want to spend that much money, rather than just on a controller like the SSL UC1 or UF1-8, etc..
If you do not have the need for faders perhaps a touch screen is enough for you?
@@mix-in It's actually for the same reason: mixing with faders. It’s a bit unreal, but it’s good enough and cheap.
There is also a 10 to 20ms delay between doing something on the Icon P1M and the action in the DAW aka computer.
They need to fix that issue very quickly.
I cannot record with that kind of latency, but is that latency not manageable in this case?
@@mix-in
Nope, it has to be done by Icon themselves because its an Icon problem.
Some DAWs allows for latency manipulation with the DAW, but just be aware, it will throw everything else off, way off.
Icon needs to deal with this major problem themselves, and fast.
Very helpful before buying. I was going to buy it but I will wait because I saw your video.
I am glad you found it helpful. What DAW are you using if I may ask?
I guess if you have these issues you just return it to the shop within 3 years in sweden and get it replaced. And then you can continue every 3rd.year 😂
is that how it works?:P Hopefully iCON fixes my issues somewhat soon. I am uploading a feedback video today directed towards iCON, hopefully it can show clearly what my experience is, and perhaps some of "you viewers" can relate somehow.
I just want transparency and good relationship with the companies I shop from (and of course working products).
Mackie Control protocol is the problem alot of the time . If you choose a different daw like cubase some things will work and others not it depends if it is implemented with your DAW and the Mackie control protocol. Driven by Moss is an expert of Mackie protocol and various daws he does scripts for bitwig and reaper
Now that’s what I call some chill equipment
Buggy software but very chill hardware! 😎
Looks a bit like an audio focused Stream Deck. It’s of course largely hard coded for the audio paradigm, but a lot of real flexibility seems to open up a lot of other possibilities.
Thanks for the review! For the encoder knobs doing something wonky like that when you do quick turns, I also experienced that with my other DAW controllers over time. Usually, a quick spray of de-oxit in in the crevice between knob and where it connects to the “potentiometer” fixes it. Try it, hopefully it can work for you.
has anyone got this working in reaper?its perfect in studio one but reaper wont recognise it.
Super like! Great review. Picky yes but after watching i still want to buy it. Only thing ill be disappointed in is the micro jog wheel. ❤
I am happy that you enjoyed it! Hopefully you will not get any issues and if you do hopefully they are as manageable as mine! Fingers crossed!
@@mix-in if i have any issues i will return it straight away to the reseller. Their service is good in Germany thank god. But I'll let you know as I will have different issues using logic and Mackie protocol. Also I thank you for showing that you can use copy paste on the display as I use it during arranging a lot. ❤
@@bigN-422 If there is no risk for you then absolutely go for it!
My pleasure - you can put whatever key-command you have in your DAW on the screen, not only copy and paste, which is great!
Great review! Keep up the good work!
Thank you so much! I absolutely plan to, just a bit much happening right now but it will be coming!
Thanks for the review.
Thank you for watching!
tbh, i have tried a few iCon products and they all suffer from knob jittering... so no, they will not fix it, it's a cheap rotary component and no software can fix that... you will either have to live with it or sell it. I personally find this unacceptable and a lot of features they promise, just do not work it practice. I do not recommend iCON products, no matter how tempting they seem at first glance.
I hear you and understand your view. If there would be similar hardware issues on the V1-M then I certainly would agree. With the P1-M that is not that high when it comes to the price, I somehow find it acceptable with imperfect hardware. That does not mean of course that it is to be expected for the hardware to break or wear out, but I think you get my point.
I am generally happy with the purchase, despite the non-premium hardware feel. I love when it feels premium, but no other was as compact, except the console 1 MK3 from softube, but I wanted faders, and the small size was THE determinator.
Lastly, as I say in the video, I am not fully comfortable recommending it nor fully purchasing more from iCON how things are looking now. It may change, it may not.
I will do my review soon! Such a mess! Update problems! Controller not recognised from apple m3! Pff… the machine get stuck ect ect… too many issue mate! Despite the fact i love it!😢
Wow, those are some serious issues. I’m on a M1 Mac connected directly(no hub) and so far so good.
Keep us posted about your review. 👍🏼
I am also on a M1 Mac like @groovechild9903
As I mentioned I had disconnecting issues as well. Have you made sure that the P1-M is directly plugged in to the computer + made sure that the port 4 of the P1-M is inactive/not shown in your daw?
That is all I can think of to help.
@@mix-in bro trust me when you see my reel you understand that my P1-M is completely fuck*ed! Is plugged in the wall and usb straight on mac mini M1 No port 4 is selected anyway. Still nothing is not even turn on anymore😂
@@naizondj If it doesn’t even turn on, could it be a power supply problem? Can you take it back to the shop for a refund or exchange?
@@groovechild9903 oh yes for sure!! I will try another power supply maybe.
I've just removed this controller and the meter bridge from my thomann basket. I have no experience with any icon products and after watching your very frank and revealing review they are not a company I want to spend my money with. Cubase is a leading very well established DAW and I would expect seamless integration and what you have demonstrated is just not good enough. Did u use the SSL controller with Cubase or some other DAW? If so, how did you find its integration with Cubase ?
My father have not been sitting regular with his SSL-Nucleus, however I can perhaps check in with him quickly to see how the integration is.
Thank you
Glad it was of use for you!
While they are guilty of everything you said, I asked them for a feature before buying my Nano.
They promised to add it, I bought it, and a few days later they contacted me with a new firmware to install.
So I think they're very open to communication, even if their quality control is not close to bigger/more expensive competitors.
I want to believe that as well. I think they want to do good, and in my humble opinion they should be open and transparent about things.
its really a pleasure to listen to you. thank you much for your time and good work
Thank you so much, I am very happy you found use of it!
Thanks, I was considering to move toward Icon but won‘t after seeing your Video.
I do not want to say "never" but at least for now I think it may be the best to wait.
Thank you for doing such thorough review. I like how you present both the pros and cons equally!
Thank you for your kind words, I am glad you liked the video!
Hey @mix-in,
Just to follow up from your comment on my vid. My issues are as follows: Can’t update device with apple silicone m2. The meter bridge does not give out the proper response (bugs out every know and then). The banks does not work with ableton live (unless there’s a workaround. And the plugin window that can be controlled with the encoders is kind of finicky on my device.Apart from that everything else is ok.
These bugs depends on the DAW of choice.
I also agree with your last statement. I don’t know if I would recommend this device to everyone, and would love for the company to be open on the negative aspects on the device and to encourage us (the consumer) that these problems are being resolved if they are working on getting them resolved.
Thank you a lot for sharing your experiences. I unfortunately expected you to have issues.
I feel less "lost" hearing you share the same experience that you cannot really recommend it. I personally want to because my experience is generally positive, but I know that the issues may differ, and perhaps be much worse than mine.
Fingers crossed and twirled that iCON is OPEN with this. The longer time passes, the higher the risk is for me personally I abandon the company, which is not amongst my highest wishes.
thank you !
Right back at you!
Good stuff
Thank you friend!
Give it five more years
I sincerely hope it will get better quicker than that..
I have the iCon QCon Pro X and it is a beast. It seems way better built than this new model and I love it.
The Pro- x is buggy as heck. The motorized faders are noisy, they have this weird vibration issue, the master meter does not work, the faders don't return to zero when closing a session, on and on and on.
Lycka till med din RUclips-kanal! Stort steg att plöja ner jobbet att producera videor, häng i!
Tack så hemskt mycket, jag ska försöka hänga i!
För tillfället har jag saker både höger och vänster som händer men jag har en tilltro att saker kommer landa ganska snart och att jag kommer kunna ladda upp regelbundet.
The tiny jog wheel is indeed a joke. And are those abracadabra abbreviations on the display a remnant of the old Mackie protocol? Lots of missed opportunities by Icon on this controller.
Fortunately I don't have a big need for a jog wheel in my workflow, but if it would be bigger and more like the Nucleus, perhaps I would want to. I also agree that iCON missed opportunities here - If I were them I would try to break free from the Mackie protocol with this controller. They are marketing these controllers as "THE NEW GEN" and imagine if they actually would break free from the Mackie and fix the software bugs. My guess is that these controllers would sell like crazy, however I think that these two things prevent them from doing that.
I actually believe it is closer to the opposite. Even if I bought this and I am relatively happy with it, I am most likely not to continue with iCON unless they start to address things, and I think my opinion is close to the general opinion, at least for the new iCON user base.
@@mix-in I think it would be rather difficult to get DAW makers to implement a new locked protocol, so if iCon developed it, they would have to share it with other hardware makers.
What we need is the DAW industry, getting together, in some sort of organization and fix a few things. A standard DAW project format. I don't think it would hurt any company, as more people with use more than one DAW, and people that switch, would have an easier time switching back. We also need a new, smarter plugin format, with look-ahead, cross channel communication, network audio and control per channel (to network several computers, in a simple way), and more. And we do need a new control protocol, that actually works, with naming, ordering, presets and custom re-ordering and so on.
At leas iCon did solve the fader control issue that most mackie controllers have in ableton, where the fader can't send max control value. SSL also solved this.
I really wanted to get the P1-m, but your review but it was a bit more expensive including the display, than I was expecting, and now this review. And another complaining about the transport controls sitting too close to the jog wheel.
It is too bad, because the size of this unit is pretty good. And I think SSL really effed up with their UF8 design. Buttons with no function. Duplicated controls when using multiple ones. And a deisgn that is horrible for anyone that would like to use more than one.
Display doesn't fully support cubase?! They lost me!
In what way, the color coding you mean?
color coding on all similar controllers, as well as second display, has never been universally supported on all DAWs. No other mackie based controller will show color with cubase, I would assume.
what about a short video of revisiting the controller and talk about, if some of the issues have been solved?
While I didn't plan to make more videos about the P1-M, at least not for a while, I think I want and "need" to. I want to address things more clear and exact what my issues are. It is mostly how the company don't give the respond the troubled customers have.
At the same time I could go through stuff I've noticed with the updates.
So basically yes this will probably be my next video.
@@mix-in cool :) i got the p1 Nano and i don´t know how to use edit with cubase and plugins. i will have to look your video one more time to see, if this topics are here! thanks for the video!
Thank you for the review, the device has very interesting and compelling points for the purchase of it. However, I am undecided whether to get the "Icon" or the "Behringer X Touch". Merely rom the size, the choice would already go to the "Icon". I hope to find a review as comprehensive as yours for the Behringer.
Thank you, glad you found it compelling!
If you are willing to risk potentially encountering numerous bugs/issues or if you can purchase it from a distributor that gives you the ability to return the device no matter the reason (like thomann) then I would say go for it.
I experience that the problem is (I probably have commented this 100 times now haha) that the experience is so irregular. My impression is some people have no issues at all and are bemused at hearing these kind of stories, where others totally experience it. If you are wondering what kind of bugs I have, check out my other video I posted.
So guess what... I've purchased it yesterday to use it with my Logic pro and immediately encountered massively issues ! Freezes all the time and disconnects showing the message I have to adjust the clock between logic and the external device !?! So there will be a lot of communication with the support to be started...
@@mix-in I saw also your other video and went courageously to have me experience with the device... 😅
@@AleDZmusicProd Not what I wanted to hear.. The help I can give you, which you probably already know is making sure it is connected straight to the computer, nothing in between. Now the support I had also told me to "hide" the 4th port of the iMAP.
I do not know Logic, but if there is a way to "hide" or "disable" the 4th port inside logic, make sure you try that!
@@mix-in I'll see, thank you 🙏🏻
I enjoyed your informative video and would like to add that one of my disappointments with the P1M is that when you switch channel 8 to Master you lose the LED’s volume level which means you have to rely on your computer monitor to see the levels of the Master Channel.
Thank you so much for your kind words!
Ye I would not mind that either, I don't know why I did not think about that! Good complement!
Hi, I believe this is a Mackie Control protocol limitation (at least in Cubase). I remember reading about similar issues on surfaces that had a dedicated master fader and meter.
@@DeliciousMauritious Oh perhaps it is. But does that prevent iCON Pro Audio to implement a feature like that?
@@mix-in within the MCU protocol, yes, I believe. They could use Midi Remote scripts though. But this only works in Cubase. But true, they could do better.
@@DeliciousMauritious Right, or an update of the MCU Protocol - but we all know that aint happening.
thanks for the video
You are much welcome!
I think it's the most perfect review I think. It helped me a lot in choosing the product
I am very glad it helped you out! Thank you!
Did you choos it? @@mix-in