except the fact he organized everything, he tried to destroy teammates or opponents that got dangerous. Always had the best doctors, even had some dealers at the tour to get sure to do the stuff. Everyone was on roids, yes, but Lance was more + was super toxic to every other rider in the peleton except himself.
@@lukasmobus3024 this nonsense about lance having a leg up is bs. ill concede he is a dick but to say that usps had some magical better epo than the rest of the peloton is disingenuous. for a brief period they avoided tests thru transfusions. the rest of the world caught on quickly. ALL (and i mean ALL) of the all time GC greats were great because of their tolerance and response to drugs. he won SEVEN TOURS SEVEN. Next to no crashes, no bad days and he won seven in a row pedaling the same exact kilometers as the rest. what you and the world dont realize is that cycling is a cursed profession. the history of the tour goes back to the 1890-1930s when they took alcohol, strychnine and cocaine. in the 1950s they took amphetamines. tom simpson died and they made drugs illegal. in the 80s it was hgh. in the 90s-00s it was epo. it never ends. there never was a sport so classically romantic and tragic in a very real european sense than cycling. being a cyclist means you deny your wife, you starve yourself, you train at altitude like a monk and you take the "pilules" your team boss tells you to take. drugs dont go on 6 hour training rides every day. epo doesnt push the pedals. these men are soldiers and youd have them drink water to finish a tour. disrespectful to claim you understand the sport and dont realize that doping is quite literally the lifeblood of one of the most physically grueling sports on planet earth. ill leave you with some quotes: jacques anquetil (5 time tour winner in the '50s): "only a fool believes it's possible to ride bordeaux-paris on just mineral water" the pellissier brothers (after abandoning in 1924 tour de france, showing the reporter boxes of inumerable pills): "in short, we run on dynamite"
CJ Ware Yeah, I'm most likely not the first to say it. But work is slow right now. I'm tired of sitting around all day without anything important to do.
even as in everyone was paying off informants and testers to dodge getting caught? Or even as in lying their ass off to protect their ego? or even as in bringing everyone around them down to pretect themselves? Not sure it was that even.
Seriously....7....fucking....wins....on possibly the most gruelling and intense athletic experience known to man. Yeah, obviously this guy was on something....HIS BIKE!!! because the love for your bike is the only thing that will make you win the TdF 7 times.
If someone came to 18 year old me and said take this and you'll get a 10 year 300 million dollar contract in a few years, but eventually you'll get caught and have to deal with the fallout, I do it every single time without hesitation.
No doubt. Also, none of us would care who this guy was; he never would have had the platform to help & inspire countless people, etc. if he didn't do the things the other athletes were doing. It's a hard thing for most of us to admit, but if the choice is between being able to compete or to toil in anonymity, barely making it, most of us would choose the former.
@@alpinestarsracing1 There are many people that didnt do it. Most in fact. Also the problem with Armstrong is that he was a dick and ruined other peoples career just so he didnt get caught.
@@alpinestarsracing1 , nonsense. Not everyone salivates over money or things and some people out there would not sell themselves out for money like you apparently would. Not everyone thinks like that. Might be on the rare side in the US but plenty of people still value their integrity and character over money and adulation. And plenty of athletes also choose not to cheat. And plenty of people not only wouldn't want to be famous, but would hate it. Don't make blanket statements. I find it strange and amusing that people are on here trying to defend this guy. He lied, he cheated, but hey, that's ok, we would too! Bull. Shit.
@@lonewanderer2894 SO well said, but thats the whole culture Americans grow up in, get rich and do whatever it takes, Intergrity, Honour, Courage, Honesty and loyality have absolutely no meaning to them.
Jonathon Brown it’s cause he’s just genuinely curious about people and their stories. He doesn’t have to plan out questions caus he just follows the conversation and it makes for a much more interesting interview
@@williamneuzil7403 Somewhat true but that Ditto strategy makes for a good interview. If your interviewer is overly combative and constantly trying to debate the interviewee on every other topic then the conversation will get bogged down and the person will clam up and stop giving good answers.
@@nickycritic5269 🤣🤣 of course he doesnt he gets everytype of person who does different thing lol he never said he was an expert. Listen to an expert bicyclist interview him then.
OK, so when Joe made the reference to Bill Burr's Lance joke in Conan, I went and watched it. What followed was 4 hours of watching all Bill Burr's youtube videos and only now have I returned to watch this again.
Jonathan, actually you are completely wrong. Many people thought he raised money for cancer research, but actually it was only for "cancer awareness", which is completely different. "Cancer awareness" was just an excuse to say the money goes to something, but it was mostly just a slush fund, to pay for Lance's private jet and all the traveling and entertaining as a business expense. Do more research and you'll find out the truth. Lance knew a lot of people thought he raised money for research, and he never did anything to clear it up?
This was not cheating on a Math's test! Ignorant you! He made an Industry out of it & went after anybody, as if he was Hitler, who ever questioned him. He should be behind bars!
What people don’t realise is that he did so much much more. He ruined people’s lives who stood in his way. In one case his masseuse accused him of siping and he branded her a whore and an alcoholic
@Bob Armstrong was ruthless in his charade, ruining the lives of others to protect his. Former teammates, support staff, competitors, reporters - anyone who threatened to expose the Myth of Lance was bullied, discredited and defamed. It wasn’t just ‘one guy’ he fucked with a dozen peoples lives to protect his lies.
@Bob There is a big difference between "trying to ruin somebody's life" and telling the truth and let the official bodies of the sport and the legal system decide someone's fate.
You know the funny thing is that if he had taken a different approach by saying "Sure I did it, so what. Everyone was at that time." and confidently stuck with it he would have been in a waaaaay better place than he is now (AKA the Trump method). He should have turned it around on those anti-dopers saying they were destroying an amazing charity that has raised millions for cancer just so they can make a name for themselves as 'the guys who caught Lance Armstrong'. He could probably still take this approach. Go back on Oprah and say fuck what happened, everyone doped back then, reinstate my records bitches.
+Bobby Nixon Honest question. Do you think people could handle the fact that it was more about cycling to him than the charities? His purpose was to win, not save lives. (* he certainly understands being caught cut funds, but not cheating would have meant none in the first place .... )
Acrltt Hmmm good question. All I know is him going out there and saying sorry a million times really didn't help his case. He's kissing the feet of everyone and most people didn't really care in the first place. It was similar to when the Kony 2012 guy went on Oprah... that didn't work out well. It seems that in the public eye it's far better to own up to something and counter attack and carry on your life than to cry for forgiveness from everyone. Trump, Kanye West, Kim Kardashian, Bill Clinton of today (not in the 90s, apologizing didn't help his case either). Joe Rogan is a good example of this. You'll never see him grovelling on Oprah, he would counter attack immediately and carry on his way. Look at the latest situation with Cyborg's dick.
Interesting. You can tell from this talk that he wouldn't have apologized on his own. He still holds his golden jerseys and won't say he didn't earn them. Kony guy liked working the system, Clinton liked getting sucked off in the oval office, entertainment figures live it out. I guess the lesson is the video where you show weakness is useless or damaging. The video of you winning is priceless. It's a pretty good lesson. The proof of wrongdoing is on others and until it reaches Cosby levels of nasty just keep your mouth shut. Even then, rake it in and reveal nothing. The average person would never know. Act tactically, win strategically.
The Red Line The apologize for nothing move? It's probably a good strategy. People know what they hear and are clueless about the things they can't figure out on their own. "I'm Sorry" might just be a stronger message than anything you could ever say after the fact. We're talking real action / effect. Not the idealized moral move.
Look, if you hold a grudge against a fucking bicycle rider to such an extent that you're going to sit him down and demand an apology from him for PED's, you really need go fuck yourself, get a life, then go fuck yourself a second time.
+smn475 you dont get the point of the whole thing...nobody cares about bicycle riders but this guy is just fake, ripped off so many people and acted really shady...nobody gives a fuck about cycling but this dude went way beyond the sport
Something I learned having the same Cancer as Lance. Armstrong chose not to take one of the most effective Chemo drugs in his treatment as the side effect adversely affects lung capacity. Literally risked his life over the Sport.
Bleomycin. Had it myself for one round for testicular cancer. I'm in surveillance now but if it came back, it would be had to go back on Bleo knowing what it does to the lungs- I'm trying to stay an athlete at age 39.
That is legendary competitiveness. That sh1t is above-Jordan-level of competitive drive right there. Yet to most Jordan is a hero, and Lace is a "bad guy". What a load of crap. Anyway appreciate that trivia man.
Armstrong is still my hero, regardless of how fucked up his story is. He got me into cycling, his influence got me healthy, and his influence will keep me pushing pedals. Ride on.
I liked how he doubled down on his tendency to lie and victimized his cheating by claiming himself to be a compulsive liar. If I were on your show, "I would have lied a thousand times to your face." That's not someone who is sorry for having cheated, meaning he could have recognized the possibility of having corrected his mistakes at the times, that's someone who is sorry for having been caught!
The sanctimonious holier than thou hipsters in the forum are hilarious. He was the best cheater those 7 year. Sorry, you gotta live with that. Everyone was doing it, and everyone knew it. The only people asking for money back now are asking it from Lance. Which is hilarious, as the TV personalities, the cycling industry, the foundation, and sports betting all capitalized on it when it happened, and then cleanup artists like Oprah capitalized on it after the fact. Don't see any of them giving back what they earned, and they all knew damn well it was happening before and after. You would have to be an absolute moron to not know......smh....... Sorry if it shatters your dreams, but there are still people doing it in the sport today. The good ones just don't get caught.
miguel daoust bro stfu that makes no sense, no comparison with a child molester and lance. Lance was caught in the middle he made a misTake like we all do and the things he fucked up he made up but the public who is not directly connected with him still holding grudges stop being a hater and go live your miserable mediocre life
Joe Rogan is treating him like a cyclist who just juiced. But the difference is that Armstrong was a tremendous asshole about it. He didn't just deny the use of the substance. He destroyed peoples lives while doing it.
Dylan Gilreath Good argumentation... As to be expected from people like you. Armstrong actually looked like a tremendous jerk in that interview by his friend Oprah Winfrey who gave him the friend treatment.
Mike9201984 True. And Armstrong was quite successful with it. But that doesn't mean he wasn't a bad guy who knowingly destroyed the personal lives of people. It wasn't just a counter, he went after them afterwards.
Lance is a fantastic manipulator given the chance that’s why nobody wanted to believe he was cheating because everyone wanted his lies to be true😂 The guy Could kill puppies and make people believe there wasn’t any other options
@@youngbroony744 we all knew he was cheating...I always thought he was cheating...they all were cheating...he didn't trick anyone...lol...I know he killed puppys...
@@Johnwilliams-th9hq You could watch documentaries, reports from USADA or journalists which revealed his huge doping program and that he threatened people not to speak up against him or testifiy. There is your proof. And yes, he tricked a lot of people.
Two hours of hearing what an individual wants you to hear and you're convinced? Are we really that easily pliable and manipulated? A dance and a kiss and here's the key to my house? Astonishing. He's a good talker, i'll give him that.
"AWARENESS" that Is the key here. 85 MILLION bracelets were sold why? because people gave a F*CK about the Bicycle Racing?? NO, because people wanted to band together and get behind this cause that effects EVERYONE. And "Livestrong" did A LOT of good. I am a 44 year old cancer survivor. I had testicular cancer in 2000. I laid in the hospital reading the book about the guys story, when it was FRESH. I ran a 5k Livestrong fund raiser race 6 years after my cancer was cured. I would shake this guys hand , look him square in the eye, and say THANKS.....any day of the week. Great work here Joe, as usual.
January 29, 2019 im laying in bed after my testicular cancer testicle removal surgery watching this video then reading this comment and thinking I couldn't agree with you more brother
I think people just wanted to band together. While I'm glad to hear about your recovery, live strong bands became a cultural symbolic object that transcended testicular cancer.
sure he did, with "dirty" money. Lance made MILLIONS for lying. He will always say "I did this for cancer at the end of the day" Hes such a POS. No one would give a fuck about him if it wasn't for cycling. And at the end of the day, Those bracelets was a trend. People knew about the bracelet bc of how "great" Lance was and then he pluged in his "Im a cancer savior" and everyone had to get one. If it was ANY other cyclist no one would give a fuck about what hes trying to promote. Plain & Simple.
I can see that. He did some very bad things, and I hear he is a tremendous prick personally, BUT that doesn't mean he didn't bring goodness to people's lives through inspiration, so if it helped you, then GOOD.
@Grendel _ ...... except that next guy would basically be the #30th place finisher because they were ALL juicing. Our roided up guy beat all the other roided up guys. He's a champion and raised half a billion dollars for cancer while he did. No one else on the grid would have ever been capable of doing that.
How has he managed to land on the moon, beat cancer, win the tour 7 times and bang whats her name...and play the trumpet like a black man...he's for sure on the dope
@@housinauthority5258 America is a set of continents, the north part of which is 24,709,000 square kilometers. The south is 17.85 million km², together they make up over 6.5% of the worlds surface. Most estimates put the population at just over 1 _Billion._ Kind of silly to lump all of us into one group.
It's interesting that alot of the times Joe offers Lance an out, or tries to segway into an argument that lets Lance off the hook in regards to cheating, Lance shuts it down almost immediately. Gotta respect his no excuse attitude.
You clearly don't recognize ad hominem attacks or situational ethics. He is also lying about his apologies at that time. He has never apologized for ruining Greg LEmond's business, among others.
This was hands down the best Lance interview ever. Joe gave him a forum where he could be honest and funny that no one else was able to do. People are a bit hard on Lance IMO. When he had to piss was funny
Hes wearing a "mellow johnnys bike shop" hat. Mellow john is a play on words for "maillote jaune" which means "yellow jersey" which is the top tour de france winners prize. Its the name of Armstrongs bike shop.
Lance got me back into cycling when he was winning the Tour and I thank him for that. I renewed my love of just riding a bike and that’s the best thing ever
I’ve always felt the way I do, and this podcast didn’t change that. Armstrong won all 7 of those tours and that’s a fact of life that will never change. In a sport of athletes all doing the same exact thing, who had what advantage? And what is an advantage? Well someone who can get better hgh or better doctors for the epo? What about the other team who can afford better bikes? Better tires, peddles, helmets, uniforms? Is that not an advantage? For a man who not just knocked on deaths door, but already had one foot through it, to come back down and say I am going to train and work harder than any other man to win the tour, not once, twice, but 7 times. He’s an athlete in my book. He’s a hero and source of inspiration in my book. And yet he still came out and has for years tried to reconcile with those he hurt, he has denied self countless time over, has paid a very high price for his wrongful actions. He’s paid the price. Let the man live.
@@swagataraha3707 take all the stuff you want, train all your life, hire the best coaching, and support and you will still never accomplish one thousandth of one percent of what he did.
@@mrski4945 sorry mate, if i've hurt your feelings, but someone cheating to create a legacy and tarnishing the sport knowingly is not someone i'll worship... well, it's true that i won't achieve even a fraction of what he'd achieved, but knowing that he's a cheater and still considering him the best doesn't make your life any better, there are other cyclists who are trying hard to make this sport clean again and make people believe in them and the the sport, guys like Armstrong (now listen up, he was my hero before all of this) has done nothing but tarnished the game, so you keep supporting him, meanwhile, we the fans of cycling will look for a clean and better person who might not win 7 maillot jaunes on the row but someone who will win our hearts with passion and love for the sport of cycling...
I remember reading an autobiography of a Scottish cyclist who won stages on the tour De France years back. He talked about doping ang tried to explain it this way. When you 25 miles into the mountains and your out of the saddle pumping hard and gulping huge amounts of oxygen down. Then your passed by twenty odd cyclists who are in the saddle peddling normally and they are passing you easily and breathing through their noses. He said at that point you either give up or join in.
@@DreamBeatsBakery The guy was old and Scottish. He settled all his problems with his fists and a French girl to keep him Company lol if I remember rightly he ate his stage winning bike in a week. Hard bastard. Good teeth mind.
The greatest bicycle touring champion of all time, he took the same drugs as most of the others and beat them at their own game. Being angry at Armstrong for taking drugs is like being angry at Valentino Rossi for using an engine. They all were. I feel sorry for those that didn't but I still see him as the greatest.
You said eveything, finally someone who can think and see how the things are. They all used the same resources so If they all did and he won is because he's better with or without those drugs.
I think the anger is more directed at how he denied it, how he made other people's lives so miserable if they dared tell the truth. He's a nasty guy. And a cheater, of course.
firstly they weren't all at I'm convinced of that. some people have morals, Lance had none and even forced others to follow his lead. He was the expert in it and encouraged the destroy a sport I loved. still to this day the nasty side of him is still there protecting people that supported him. he's not forgiven in my book.
mj897 No I don't think they all were, but I think a lot of them were. I think that it was so prevalent that there is no point assuming that the 2nd or other top finishers weren't, so in my mind he is the greatest champion. I do think he has tainted his legacy a huge amount, but I still think it stands, albeit on wobbly legs.
If i would dream of stardom in a sport, i turn out to have incredible talent, plus work ethic etc. But everybody else is taking something; i would have taken it also, level the playing field. Everybody was taking it, saw a documentary about michael rasmussen and the rabobank team on dutch tv few days ago, so unfair for rasmussen, rabobank knew everybody was taking it they were allowing it, had the cyclists under doctor control who were taking it, but when the media was pressuring rabobank they pulled him out and robbed him of winning the tour and 5 million per year salary.
I quite honestly could careless if he used PEDs... he helped raise hundreds of millions of dollars for cancer research and he put a spotlight on a dying sport and one that would otherwise be extremely overlooked and never mentioned at all in America. He’s still the greatest cyclist of all time imo.
Pop Mur No because if he was Russian or from any other country nobody would fuckin care. Probably not even their home country. It wasn’t just the PEDs. It was the fact he survived cancer, it was that he was so dominant, and Lance has a personality that ppl are drawn to in the first place. Ppl think you can just take PEDs hop on a bike and win 7 Tour de Frances... like he said, the only reason he started taking them was because everyone else was, so what is he suppose to do not compete? Had the whole field really been clean Lance still would have won 7.
Let me be clear, Armstrong is a legend! He is CYCLING, he was the TOUR DE FRANCE. Love him or hate him, I've never seen an athlete go absolutely fn rogue on a bike like him. He was a world class triathlete at the age of 15. GIFTED TO THE GILLS! I've followed his journey since Plano, and he would have been successful without the juice. 7 time winner, maybe not. But there is nothing like psycho Lance looking back at the competition with that catch me B***** if you can. Magnificent interview JR! War to Armstrong 👊 Thank you for the wonderful memories and spanking the tours ass, especially the French fries.
+RobPulson Probably because you don't know the details of how he systematically destroyed loyal people around him because they dared to tell the truth about his lies. He behaved like a sociopath.
chris55top Yeah it seriously was. Everyone was doping in the era Armstrong rode in so the playing field was almost completely even, and there’s nothing to take away the fact that he was one of the best road cyclists of all time. But yeah he was a piece of shit to his teammates, Tyler Hamilton revealed who Lance really was in his book.
@@emboe001 Well he doesn't need to be apologetic and show shame to the public because he did nothing to them - he shouldn't try and show sincere shame and humility if he doesn't feel it - he was certainly an asshole to his associates but the public at large weren't harmed...Everyone else was doping and he feels he won all 7 tours fair and square - so do his top rivals.
Apparently it takes a competitive person to shoot themselves up with drugs. Yes, real brave. Apparently it takes a competitive person to break the rules, bribe to cover it up and then lie through their teeth. Yes, real courageous. That isn't the mark of a competitive person. That's the mark of a coward who can't face the music that they don't feel they can win on the merit of actually being skillful, and instead strokes their ego by shooting themselves up with drugs and then tries to convince themselves that they did nothing wrong. You aren't competitive if you break rules and cheat. You're just a coward who can't win to the rules. He got what he deserved, but frankly should have copped worse. He's lucky that he can walk away with only a fine and his reputation trashed for life. They went easy on him.
I just want to point something out. At the 15:00 mark, Joe said that Lance was being deomonized for winning amongst other cheaters. I don't agree. Most people don't give a flip if Lance doped or not (I don't). Most people have an issue with how Lance went on these smear campaigns to sue people for slander and also lie about people to make them look bad because they knew the truth. THAT's why most people have an issue with Lance.
Agree. If everyone (including you) isn't cheating and you win, or everyone is cheating/doping (including you) and you win. Either way you win even and square.
It's not that simple. There are only certain things you can dope to improve. Red blood cell count is one major one. It can only be put to 50. So if athlete A is a great sprinter with poor RBC of 42 he gets a massive boost of 8. If athlete B is really good at endurance naturally having RBC of 48 he can only improve his level by 2 and there is no equivalent drug to help say his sprint
Yes and you are a sports physiologist who knows all about all the cyclists who doped.Please dont be intellectually disingenuous.Doping is cheating like cheating on your wife is wrong.
Absolutely true. What I like best about Lance is that he participated in a system that made it impossible for athelets to compete without doping. He should be doing speeches in schools about how to dope so they can learn how not to get caught cheating.
Armstrong is mentally ill and still cant feel deep remorse for what he did to so many people.By his own admission he is in therapy and likely will be for the rest of his life.His father abandonment issues screwed him up and turned him into a cycling narcissist second only to the ass hole in the whitehouse
1. The sport as a whole gained a hell lot from this guy. People who didn't know a squat about cycling started watching it and buying cycles. "Cycling" made money from his popularity. So give him the credit he deserves 2. He survived a death threatening cancer and got back to competitive cycling in no time and pushed his body way more than most guys can. He then went on to compete at the elite level and at that time he was not doping(a lot). So give him the credit he deserves. 3. After he was banned and after getting off the juice, he competed in triathlons and beat the shit out of younger competitors. Give him the credit he deserves.
If he didn’t publicly deny and fight it till it was completely busted open, I’d agree. That’s not what happened and his wrongdoing didn’t stop at EPO use.
@@esvignettes7592 Right on the money. Furthermore, how many countless ppl did he bully, threaten, intimidate, and try to damage on a personal level? He is an arrogant man without any morals.
ESVignettes you wouldn’t admit it till it was proven either everyone once in their life has denied something until it was proven. Then you kinda just have to eat the crow
This motherfucker mocked the world by uploading pictures of his trophies after bullying and ending peoples careers. Yet you think is unfair to strip him of those trophies. Crazy.
+rusty I hear what you're saying, believe me. But the facade of clean sports with honor and integrity died a long time ago. Sports and entertainment isn't about just skill and drive- it takes some real shitty moves that fuck over a lot of people to make it to the top of any sport. I think Lance owes a huge paycheck to the andreus, the masseuse, the sports writers, and any other person he shit on to get to where he is. But such is life- sometimes you get shit on. Move on.
Kurt Adams do you feel like he was alone in his efforts to dope to win? Do you think the entire peloton was doping? Was lance just the best doper? Do you think TDF is clean now? I think lance owes the people he stream rolled a lot of money and lifetimes of apologies. But what he did to win doesn't bother me.
Kurt Adams no one in those 7 wins has been proven to be a clean rider. Different riders have made attempts at clean runs but almost all have hidden or omitted results. That's why I'm saying the whole sport is dirty and I don't care who has the most stains. Lance is a shitty human being. Lance was the smartest and most ruthless doper. Lance also was the best rider amongst the dopers. That's all.
Armstrong provided some of the MOST exciting cycling in Tour de France history. He won over everyone who was also doping. I'll say it and I'm not embarraced to say so... I f*ckin' LOVE Lance Armstrong.
Lance is hands down one of the Best cyclist ever! Lance was the best of the entire sport during his period and most periods! He trained harder than EVERYONE, period.
Awesome interview...I think everything that happened Lance and everything he did was almost inevitable. Being American he had a huge fan base and that just multiplied with every race he won. His cancer recovery was almost miraculous and then winning the tour de France afterwards was like a fairy tale. That catapulted him to be the most famous sportsman on the planet. Then the cancer foundation he was part of made him even more popular...The dogs on the street knew the sport was dirty and too many people wanted to drag him down from his superstar status. Had he been from a much smaller country, never got cancer and won the Tour de France 7 times he prob would have gotten away with it. He did what every other cyclist was doing and found himself digging a deep hole.
It is 2020 and I finally got round to listening to Lance again. I was one of those guys that was angry with him. I was a hard defender of LA during his career and felt cheated. After this interview, I forgive him. I don’t support any road cycling anymore, but I am not angry anymore with Lance. I wish him and his family well
My problem with Lance was not that he was one of many that cheated in the sport. It was the fact that he harpooned people who accused him of cheating. He was VICIOUS against accusers.
@@spicacolorado His story is notable precisely because nobody goes that far to protect their lies. He went out of his way to destroy lives & careers of others. In some cases those people weren't even trying to expose him. Lance is a real life super villain.
Exactly, it wasn't just cheating. He shitted on the people who accused him of cheating, used his fame and power to bury his accusers. That is what rub people the wrong way. He destroyed people's lives to protect his lie and fame. Stephen A smith once mentioned that if would be very different if he were to win 1 or 2 tour de france, retired and start his live strong cancer foundation. Most people would have been alright with that. However, he continued competing in the midst of all these allegations. A person with common sense could see he was not competing for the cancer patients like how he portrayed, the fact is he wanted more money and more fame.
Awaiting J. Bruyneel his book coming up... He and Lance acted like real mobsters in their era, it's not bout the doping, but how they went to work. Blackmailing, intimidation, corruption (paying UCI director after positive test, in the beginning), threathening the one's talking bout what was going on... they got high on their greed and power, difference with getting high on dope
Joe should invite Lance more often now when he's based in Austin. That was a great talk. I've listened to it a couple of times. Armstrong is an impressive guy no matter what. He was willing to do whatever it takes to be the best.
Ahh, stage 17 in tdf 06'. The good old days when I really couldnt believe what was happening. And I got so much hate for it. Probably the most obvious doping performance Ive ever witnessed in cycling. And the face on the bitch Landis after the stage. I was still in denial about Armstrong though...
Being from Texas, I've always had great respect for Lance. Even after watching this, I still think he's an awesome dude. Really good episode, this one was great.
Possibly the most informative interview ive ever watched. I really felt like I finally got the real story on this. I live in his home town and most people know someone who knew him. Like most interesting people he is complicated. I really don’t like the way he went after people personally and legally for what turned out to be the truth. Lots of collateral damage in his wake. However he seems to recognize that now and I for one do not feel his athletic accomplishments should be diminished when taken in context. I’m not sure all the individuals in the top tear were doping as he says but certainly a large majority were. Thank you Joe for a great interview and thank you Lance for your honesty. For what it’s worth I think the road you are on now is a good albeit long one but you’re used to those.
Because of 2 reasons : -you're never sure whether everybody took the same drugs. Everybody is suspicious the other rider has something you don't have -the same drug will not enhance every human being the same way. Some, for physiological reasons, will benefit more than others. So it's not a level playing field.
You obviously have no experience in the competitive world of sport, which is fine, but don't spout off ignorant opinions when you don't understand the topic.
Condescension is what keeps idiots in check. People think they know everything about sport because they watch youtube videos and spread false information need to be put in place.
It's not Lance saying that. It's facts. Look up the positive drug tests and how many other champs had their titles stripped too. Yep. He lied... but the drugs were and are a part of the entire sport.
Lance will always be a champion in my book! Live strong brother and Joe awesome video keep up the good work. You should Micheal Phelps on here that would be awesome
I live in Belgium, watched the Tour in Lance his days, could discuss days about doping but what was fucked up was that his entourage was high on greed, power, money... not high on dope per se
"He just doped to make it fair". Noble, this Armstrong guy, wasn't he? All these legal cases he drowned people in and the journalists he slandered publicly? Shit happens, rght? See a doctor dude.
@@kackstuhl5528 we all know how a lie snowballs , therefore the cover up like wise ....This day Lance doesn't try to defend what he did, saying he treated everthing in his life at the time like the tour. A must win at all costs. That behavior cost him dearly, all that said he won those 7 tour de France on an even playing feild and the UCI new what was going on but looked the other way for decades.
The fact that there is just a line in the recordbooks for 7 years will make it the 7 most interesting years. People will research what happended then. In 200 years, Lance Armstrong will be the only cyclist remembered of this day.
This podcast was insane, you could tell Armstrong was constantly torn between the damage that his lie did to him and his family and the fact that he still thinks he won all those Tours. Like one phrase he was trying to apologize and the next second he was after Novitsky's ways, it was fascinating. Like he was dealing with an inner demon or some wild shit...
I guaranfuckingtee you that if you took away the dope for all riders LA would still win. Maybe not 7 but he'd win several. Dude is a genetic mutant and always has been since he was a pro triathlete at 15 years old. He's a freak of nature who has giant lungs and one of the highest VO2 max recordings in history...that's a fact and that's not something any drug can give you. He was blessed with big lungs that can suck up huge amounts of oxygen, therefore, he's working a lot less than others when racing. Let's not forget that this guy was an obsessive disciplined athlete who also just flat out worked harder than most. There's countless stories of his training regimen, especially in the winter when others were drinking beer and relaxing, and impeccable preparation with technology. The fucking government needs to move on and quit wasting our fucking money on dumb shit like pursuing an ex-cyclist.
his VO2 max was in the low 80's, unremarkable for a cyclist. Chris Froome's is in the mid 90's. Not to say he still wouldn't have won from sheer drive and athleticism, but he definitely didn't have one of "the highest vo2 max recordings in history" that's bullshit.
+Lonely Elk Wrong. Armstrong's VO2 was 84.0, Froome's 84.6. Lance is #22 on the list in the entire world so I'd say that's pretty good and qualifies for "one of the highest recorded." Of all cyclists there are only 7 above him. www.topendsports.com/testing/records/vo2max.htm
I agree with the OP. If he was doing EPO and everyone else was doing EPO, and he still beat them, then what does that say about him. Even Canseco said that you can't just juice up and expect to do great things. You still gotta put in the work
This is why incomplete knowledge is a dangerous thing.VO2 MAX is ONE of the measure of "potential" but not the only one. Then again,multiple riders,most notably Floyd Landis,had a higher max. Then,there is his muscle fiber type. Most Gen Classification guys reveal their potential within 3 yrs. Armstrong raced for 4 yrs before that,never thought of has having potential. He was never a climber,could only sprint,couldnt time trial. In a clean sport,he couldve been a Peter Sagan type rider at best but there is no way he could've kept up with the best,although there is no true way of finding out as the rest of the field was skewed too.
@@michaelmorphites6733 When i saw Gordon's comment, I knew that this one answer had to be that. If it weren't you, i'd do it. This had to be said. Gordon knew someone would do this comment when he wrote his comment. I thank you, Michael, I thank you, Gordon, I thank you, Lance, I thank you, Joe Rogan, for showing me the way for this moment. You guys are great.
Lance proved he was the absolute best cyclist ever just because of his pace of cycling and his incredible cross-country rides in the midst of the TDF. It is so unjust what happened to him, while Jalabert and Fignon playing clean on TV.
Still love this guy for what he did. By that I mean all the good he did! Road with Lance here in Brisbane Australia in 2011 for a charity ride and it was for the kids. All the best to you Lance! Thanks for coming clean. Best to your family. 7 yellows mate. Respect!
Jesus the world really is getting really stupid obviously you have no clue how algorithms work you probably never saw this video but you watch Joe’s videos you’re subscribed to the channel and it recommended one of Joe’s videos you haven’t seen before...
yeah, if everyone cheats and we catch the biggest of them all, let's celebrate the fact that he is still the best among cheaters... tf are you smoking, son?
@@aledmb he wasnt the biggest..he did 1 thing epo or blood dopes...other took steroids epo etc.... his was just organised the best...and he was the best rider...they all doped he was the best...get your head out your arse
"Is the tree juiced?" Fuck I've been laughing at that for 10 minutes now.
YES!
Hahaha 👌👍
I was havin a drink when he said that, that's when I knew I fucked up.
daniel mcdermott He's Christmas tree was probably on HGH and Testosterone..LMAO.
Congrats. You got the joke.
The ball on this guy.
Lol
How is this not the top comment
He only has scrotum!
@@simonmessenger7217 nah joe even says in the podcast lance lost a ball.
Love this guy
Lance is a legend in my eyes they were all on the juice and he still came out on top
except the fact he organized everything, he tried to destroy teammates or opponents that got dangerous. Always had the best doctors, even had some dealers at the tour to get sure to do the stuff. Everyone was on roids, yes, but Lance was more + was super toxic to every other rider in the peleton except himself.
Nothing good came out of that but a fake hero with lots of money....sad story ...he was hungry for glory he was willing to lie no matter what .
@@lukasmobus3024 this nonsense about lance having a leg up is bs. ill concede he is a dick but to say that usps had some magical better epo than the rest of the peloton is disingenuous. for a brief period they avoided tests thru transfusions. the rest of the world caught on quickly.
ALL (and i mean ALL) of the all time GC greats were great because of their tolerance and response to drugs. he won SEVEN TOURS SEVEN. Next to no crashes, no bad days and he won seven in a row pedaling the same exact kilometers as the rest.
what you and the world dont realize is that cycling is a cursed profession. the history of the tour goes back to the 1890-1930s when they took alcohol, strychnine and cocaine. in the 1950s they took amphetamines. tom simpson died and they made drugs illegal. in the 80s it was hgh. in the 90s-00s it was epo. it never ends. there never was a sport so classically romantic and tragic in a very real european sense than cycling.
being a cyclist means you deny your wife, you starve yourself, you train at altitude like a monk and you take the "pilules" your team boss tells you to take. drugs dont go on 6 hour training rides every day. epo doesnt push the pedals.
these men are soldiers and youd have them drink water to finish a tour. disrespectful to claim you understand the sport and dont realize that doping is quite literally the lifeblood of one of the most physically grueling sports on planet earth.
ill leave you with some quotes:
jacques anquetil (5 time tour winner in the '50s): "only a fool believes it's possible to ride bordeaux-paris on just mineral water"
the pellissier brothers (after abandoning in 1924 tour de france, showing the reporter boxes of inumerable pills): "in short, we run on dynamite"
such a retarded view
say what you want about this guy, he walked on the moon and we didn’t
😂
That his brother Neil 😏😂😂
One great leap for enhance-kind. But hey, I voted for Icarus and love Lance Armstrong. Still. Always.
And he's a great musician.
No he didn't!!
I just realized that Rogan is Oprah for dudes.
+SpaceManDawn Lol, thats been said many times before...
CJ Ware Yeah, I'm most likely not the first to say it.
But work is slow right now. I'm tired of sitting around all day without anything important to do.
+SpaceManDawn Whereas me just chilling with Fallout 4, listening to Joe and Lane shoot the shit.
Dont sweat it. Enjoy your hard earned leisure time.
deathwatch962 Same, took a lil break from Fo4 to play AC Jack the Ripper DLC.
SpaceManDawn Lol i haven't worked a job in 2 years...Besides taking care of my quadriplegic father.. LOL
Lance won 7 times in an even playing field. That's good enough for me.
NetGuard agreed
even as in everyone was paying off informants and testers to dodge getting caught? Or even as in lying their ass off to protect their ego? or even as in bringing everyone around them down to pretect themselves? Not sure it was that even.
Ady P 🥕
Seriously....7....fucking....wins....on possibly the most gruelling and intense athletic experience known to man. Yeah, obviously this guy was on something....HIS BIKE!!! because the love for your bike is the only thing that will make you win the TdF 7 times.
lol
woah, i cant beleive this guy actually walked on the moon..
+james “new age buddha” taylor LOLOL good one. (But incase you are serious, it was Neil Armstrong)
+james “new age buddha” taylor no thats neil armstrong, this is the 20th century jazz trumpeter
Well in his mind he's just going to Carolina.
+james “new age buddha” taylor first man to ride a bicycle around the moon
Crazy right. He rode his bike around that fucker too.
If someone came to 18 year old me and said take this and you'll get a 10 year 300 million dollar contract in a few years, but eventually you'll get caught and have to deal with the fallout, I do it every single time without hesitation.
No doubt. Also, none of us would care who this guy was; he never would have had the platform to help & inspire countless people, etc. if he didn't do the things the other athletes were doing. It's a hard thing for most of us to admit, but if the choice is between being able to compete or to toil in anonymity, barely making it, most of us would choose the former.
Damn straight. Anyone would, and if you say you wouldnt, youre a fuckin liar
@@alpinestarsracing1 There are many people that didnt do it. Most in fact. Also the problem with Armstrong is that he was a dick and ruined other peoples career just so he didnt get caught.
@@alpinestarsracing1 , nonsense. Not everyone salivates over money or things and some people out there would not sell themselves out for money like you apparently would. Not everyone thinks like that. Might be on the rare side in the US but plenty of people still value their integrity and character over money and adulation. And plenty of athletes also choose not to cheat. And plenty of people not only wouldn't want to be famous, but would hate it. Don't make blanket statements. I find it strange and amusing that people are on here trying to defend this guy. He lied, he cheated, but hey, that's ok, we would too! Bull. Shit.
@@lonewanderer2894 SO well said, but thats the whole culture Americans grow up in, get rich and do whatever it takes, Intergrity, Honour, Courage, Honesty and loyality have absolutely no meaning to them.
From Elon Musk to Lance Armstrong; the self described “meat head” Joe Rogan is arguably the top interviewer that we have today. Great job Joe.
Jonathon Brown it’s cause he’s just genuinely curious about people and their stories. He doesn’t have to plan out questions caus he just follows the conversation and it makes for a much more interesting interview
Wrong. Checkout valutainment
@@williamneuzil7403 Somewhat true but that Ditto strategy makes for a good interview. If your interviewer is overly combative and constantly trying to debate the interviewee on every other topic then the conversation will get bogged down and the person will clam up and stop giving good answers.
I wasn’t too impressed with joe on this one. He clearly knows nothing about the sport of cycling.
@@nickycritic5269 🤣🤣 of course he doesnt he gets everytype of person who does different thing lol he never said he was an expert. Listen to an expert bicyclist interview him then.
"Our roided up guy, beat YOUR roided up guy!"
-Bill Burr
Love that you quoted this! Fabulous Bill Burr moment to date:)
+kevinalvarado @ conan
I love MK, what do you main?
+kevinalvarado hahaha i just read that in his voice and died
+Davey Jones no we don't. trust me.
OK, so when Joe made the reference to Bill Burr's Lance joke in Conan, I went and watched it. What followed was 4 hours of watching all Bill Burr's youtube videos and only now have I returned to watch this again.
+Randy Monster thats the power of the internet son.
Some might say you should keep it going to hour 5 or 6. Get a taste of real comedy.
You went down the fuckin billy burr blackhole dude! hows the wetha!
Ya. that can happen with Bill burr
wish bill burr was on JRE more
“ we fought the fight the way the fight was fought “
"He raised $500,000,000 for Cancer research, that's what that lie did" - Bill Burr
Jonathan, actually you are completely wrong. Many people thought he raised money for cancer research, but actually it was only for "cancer awareness", which is completely different. "Cancer awareness" was just an excuse to say the money goes to something, but it was mostly just a slush fund, to pay for Lance's private jet and all the traveling and entertaining as a business expense. Do more research and you'll find out the truth. Lance knew a lot of people thought he raised money for research, and he never did anything to clear it up?
The cancer biz is dirtier than cycling.
Can you cite your sources...
Jonathan Awesome quote dude!
Jonathan Fantastic point...
I once cheated on my math test so I know where he’s coming from.
You monster
This was not cheating on a Math's test! Ignorant you! He made an Industry out of it & went after anybody, as if he was Hitler, who ever questioned him. He should be behind bars!
No wayyyyyyy 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@essm4179 0 sense of humor you have
@@essm4179 tard
can't believe this guy played the trumpet while riding a bike on the moon
This deserves to be the top comment. 😂😂😂
..its no stretch (armstrong)
Tripple Whammy
ikr what a beast
What people don’t realise is that he did so much much more. He ruined people’s lives who stood in his way. In one case his masseuse accused him of siping and he branded her a whore and an alcoholic
He got caught cheating in a sport full of cheaters.
People act like he's a serial killer.
It's more about ruining the life of the guy who was talking about it, via law suits.
*Europeans act like he's a serial killer.
He was very disrespectful toward people and destroyed lifes. That’s what made him so unpopular.
@Bob Armstrong was ruthless in his charade, ruining the lives of others to protect his. Former teammates, support staff, competitors, reporters - anyone who threatened to expose the Myth of Lance was bullied, discredited and defamed. It wasn’t just ‘one guy’ he fucked with a dozen peoples lives to protect his lies.
@Bob There is a big difference between "trying to ruin somebody's life" and telling the truth and let the official bodies of the sport and the legal system decide someone's fate.
You know the funny thing is that if he had taken a different approach by saying "Sure I did it, so what. Everyone was at that time." and confidently stuck with it he would have been in a waaaaay better place than he is now (AKA the Trump method).
He should have turned it around on those anti-dopers saying they were destroying an amazing charity that has raised millions for cancer just so they can make a name for themselves as 'the guys who caught Lance Armstrong'.
He could probably still take this approach. Go back on Oprah and say fuck what happened, everyone doped back then, reinstate my records bitches.
+Bobby Nixon Honest question. Do you think people could handle the fact that it was more about cycling to him than the charities? His purpose was to win, not save lives.
(* he certainly understands being caught cut funds, but not cheating would have meant none in the first place .... )
Acrltt
Hmmm good question. All I know is him going out there and saying sorry a million times really didn't help his case. He's kissing the feet of everyone and most people didn't really care in the first place. It was similar to when the Kony 2012 guy went on Oprah... that didn't work out well.
It seems that in the public eye it's far better to own up to something and counter attack and carry on your life than to cry for forgiveness from everyone. Trump, Kanye West, Kim Kardashian, Bill Clinton of today (not in the 90s, apologizing didn't help his case either).
Joe Rogan is a good example of this. You'll never see him grovelling on Oprah, he would counter attack immediately and carry on his way. Look at the latest situation with Cyborg's dick.
Interesting. You can tell from this talk that he wouldn't have apologized on his own. He still holds his golden jerseys and won't say he didn't earn them. Kony guy liked working the system, Clinton liked getting sucked off in the oval office, entertainment figures live it out. I guess the lesson is the video where you show weakness is useless or damaging. The video of you winning is priceless. It's a pretty good lesson. The proof of wrongdoing is on others and until it reaches Cosby levels of nasty just keep your mouth shut. Even then, rake it in and reveal nothing. The average person would never know. Act tactically, win strategically.
+Bobby Nixon Trump method??
The Red Line The apologize for nothing move? It's probably a good strategy. People know what they hear and are clueless about the things they can't figure out on their own. "I'm Sorry" might just be a stronger message than anything you could ever say after the fact. We're talking real action / effect. Not the idealized moral move.
Look, if you hold a grudge against a fucking bicycle rider to such an extent that you're going to sit him down and demand an apology from him for PED's, you really need go fuck yourself, get a life, then go fuck yourself a second time.
Best comment ever
True
+smn475 *cyclist
+smn475 you dont get the point of the whole thing...nobody cares about bicycle riders but this guy is just fake, ripped off so many people and acted really shady...nobody gives a fuck about cycling but this dude went way beyond the sport
+Matt D. well said.
"is the tree juiced" best comment ever
Is this comment juiced
'Is that the best we got?' (Meanwhile Joe laughs his balls off)
Joe's laugh was the best 😂 lmao
@@markwilliams7054 Then Lance is like "oh right yeah that was kinda funny"
Is the tree juiced Thts fucking funny
Something I learned having the same Cancer as Lance.
Armstrong chose not to take one of the most effective Chemo drugs in his treatment as the side effect adversely affects lung capacity.
Literally risked his life over the Sport.
Bleomycin. Had it myself for one round for testicular cancer. I'm in surveillance now but if it came back, it would be had to go back on Bleo knowing what it does to the lungs- I'm trying to stay an athlete at age 39.
That is legendary competitiveness. That sh1t is above-Jordan-level of competitive drive right there. Yet to most Jordan is a hero, and Lace is a "bad guy". What a load of crap. Anyway appreciate that trivia man.
Had 4 rounds of BEP myself back in 2012 I remember being pretty concerned about the lungs as well as the doctors
@@nickfedor210 Saw you in Bellator a few years back, I'm sure you've still got the hammers ;)
Armstrong is still my hero, regardless of how fucked up his story is. He got me into cycling, his influence got me healthy, and his influence will keep me pushing pedals. Ride on.
Yeah ! But You're grown up now, and Turns Out Santa Claus was Fake ... Never occurs to you that you might have connected more with someone true..
It's like saying : Well yeah my role model was a child molester but guys, big love for him cause, for myself, he paid college.
I liked how he doubled down on his tendency to lie and victimized his cheating by claiming himself to be a compulsive liar. If I were on your show, "I would have lied a thousand times to your face." That's not someone who is sorry for having cheated, meaning he could have recognized the possibility of having corrected his mistakes at the times, that's someone who is sorry for having been caught!
The sanctimonious holier than thou hipsters in the forum are hilarious. He was the best cheater those 7 year. Sorry, you gotta live with that. Everyone was doing it, and everyone knew it. The only people asking for money back now are asking it from Lance. Which is hilarious, as the TV personalities, the cycling industry, the foundation, and sports betting all capitalized on it when it happened, and then cleanup artists like Oprah capitalized on it after the fact. Don't see any of them giving back what they earned, and they all knew damn well it was happening before and after. You would have to be an absolute moron to not know......smh....... Sorry if it shatters your dreams, but there are still people doing it in the sport today. The good ones just don't get caught.
miguel daoust bro stfu that makes no sense, no comparison with a child molester and lance. Lance was caught in the middle he made a misTake like we all do and the things he fucked up he made up but the public who is not directly connected with him still holding grudges stop being a hater and go live your miserable mediocre life
This is one of Joe's best. Lance expressed himself well too.
Joe Rogan is treating him like a cyclist who just juiced. But the difference is that Armstrong was a tremendous asshole about it. He didn't just deny the use of the substance. He destroyed peoples lives while doing it.
Exactly and he promoted himself globally under the guise of a good guy. Also he was a malicious person on his journey to the top.
+C.L. Oker Sometimes the best defense is a good offense
Dylan Gilreath Good argumentation... As to be expected from people like you. Armstrong actually looked like a tremendous jerk in that interview by his friend Oprah Winfrey who gave him the friend treatment.
Mike9201984 True. And Armstrong was quite successful with it. But that doesn't mean he wasn't a bad guy who knowingly destroyed the personal lives of people. It wasn't just a counter, he went after them afterwards.
Destroyed peoples lives? Its fucking cycling.
GREAT interview, Joe! You turned Lance back into a human being for many, many people (including me), and that's a GOOD thing.
Lance is a fantastic manipulator given the chance that’s why nobody wanted to believe he was cheating because everyone wanted his lies to be true😂 The guy Could kill puppies and make people believe there wasn’t any other options
@@youngbroony744 Provide proof.
@@youngbroony744 we all knew he was cheating...I always thought he was cheating...they all were cheating...he didn't trick anyone...lol...I know he killed puppys...
@@Johnwilliams-th9hq You could watch documentaries, reports from USADA or journalists which revealed his huge doping program and that he threatened people not to speak up against him or testifiy. There is your proof. And yes, he tricked a lot of people.
Two hours of hearing what an individual wants you to hear and you're convinced? Are we really that easily pliable and manipulated? A dance and a kiss and here's the key to my house? Astonishing. He's a good talker, i'll give him that.
"AWARENESS" that Is the key here. 85 MILLION bracelets were sold why? because people gave a F*CK about the Bicycle Racing?? NO, because people wanted to band together and get behind this cause that effects EVERYONE. And "Livestrong" did A LOT of good. I am a 44 year old cancer survivor. I had testicular cancer in 2000. I laid in the hospital reading the book about the guys story, when it was FRESH. I ran a 5k Livestrong fund raiser race 6 years after my cancer was cured. I would shake this guys hand , look him square in the eye, and say THANKS.....any day of the week. Great work here Joe, as usual.
January 29, 2019 im laying in bed after my testicular cancer testicle removal surgery watching this video then reading this comment and thinking I couldn't agree with you more brother
I think people just wanted to band together. While I'm glad to hear about your recovery, live strong bands became a cultural symbolic object that transcended testicular cancer.
Awareness is the key here? Awareness? Poli Madonna, the ball on THIS guy
sure he did, with "dirty" money. Lance made MILLIONS for lying. He will always say "I did this for cancer at the end of the day" Hes such a POS.
No one would give a fuck about him if it wasn't for cycling. And at the end of the day, Those bracelets was a trend. People knew about the bracelet bc of how "great" Lance was and then he pluged in his "Im a cancer savior" and everyone had to get one.
If it was ANY other cyclist no one would give a fuck about what hes trying to promote. Plain & Simple.
I can see that. He did some very bad things, and I hear he is a tremendous prick personally, BUT that doesn't mean he didn't bring goodness to people's lives through inspiration, so if it helped you, then GOOD.
‘Is the tree juiced ?’
Crying 😂😂
“Yes”
Only watched first 5 mins guy^^^
Makes a joke about Xmas trees and steroids and doesn't mention needles? Thumbs down.
I was dead
@Grendel _ ...... except that next guy would basically be the #30th place finisher because they were ALL juicing. Our roided up guy beat all the other roided up guys. He's a champion and raised half a billion dollars for cancer while he did. No one else on the grid would have ever been capable of doing that.
How has he managed to land on the moon, beat cancer, win the tour 7 times and bang whats her name...and play the trumpet like a black man...he's for sure on the dope
😂😂😂
Neil Armstrong
@@ewokisamokis747
Erick you missed the joke.
@@ewokisamokis747 you must be American
@@housinauthority5258 America is a set of continents, the north part of which is 24,709,000 square kilometers. The south is 17.85 million km², together they make up over 6.5% of the worlds surface. Most estimates put the population at just over 1 _Billion._
Kind of silly to lump all of us into one group.
It's interesting that alot of the times Joe offers Lance an out, or tries to segway into an argument that lets Lance off the hook in regards to cheating, Lance shuts it down almost immediately. Gotta respect his no excuse attitude.
He understands now that any attempt by him to self defend will be misconstrued. Better someone else defend you than defend yourself.
You clearly don't recognize ad hominem attacks or situational ethics. He is also lying about his apologies at that time. He has never apologized for ruining Greg LEmond's business, among others.
cigardawg How do you know that ?
This was hands down the best Lance interview ever. Joe gave him a forum where he could be honest and funny that no one else was able to do. People are a bit hard on Lance IMO. When he had to piss was funny
Agreed absolutely the best.
totally agree
This was a good interview. Better than the Oprah issue.
burrs was good
bettr than stern ?
Hes wearing a "mellow johnnys bike shop" hat. Mellow john is a play on words for "maillote jaune" which means "yellow jersey" which is the top tour de france winners prize. Its the name of Armstrongs bike shop.
Ahhhh. Well done
oh cool! i never knew that! that's awesome
lol I thought you didnt believe in the moon landing Joe? this should be an interesting one
Bike riders = astronaughts confirmes
+SuperDeluxeAnuzBleach I thought you were serious, but then I saw your name
lets keep liking this one guys
+SuperDeluxeAnuzBleach After Neil Degrasse Tyson schooled him on the moon landing subject, he's a believer now
Hey you stole my comment ):
Lance got me back into cycling when he was winning the Tour and I thank him for that. I renewed my love of just riding a bike and that’s the best thing ever
Anybody else getting a bunch of "The Atheist Experience" in the suggested videos?
Yeah lol!
+StoreBrand And some whines guide to depression.
Yes
+StoreBrand Me too wtf.
+StoreBrand yup,i used to watch them just to listen to the dumbass fundamentalist embarrass themselves.
I’ve always felt the way I do, and this podcast didn’t change that. Armstrong won all 7 of those tours and that’s a fact of life that will never change. In a sport of athletes all doing the same exact thing, who had what advantage? And what is an advantage? Well someone who can get better hgh or better doctors for the epo? What about the other team who can afford better bikes? Better tires, peddles, helmets, uniforms? Is that not an advantage? For a man who not just knocked on deaths door, but already had one foot through it, to come back down and say I am going to train and work harder than any other man to win the tour, not once, twice, but 7 times. He’s an athlete in my book. He’s a hero and source of inspiration in my book. And yet he still came out and has for years tried to reconcile with those he hurt, he has denied self countless time over, has paid a very high price for his wrongful actions. He’s paid the price. Let the man live.
duramaxwelder its not that... it’s that he sued people, fired them, threatened and ruined lives because of his lies.
The one on 29th place who didnt cheat won, he is a cheater end of story
"is the tree juiced" ... fuckin' lost it
Really dude?
Get out more
Me too lol. I laugh at stupid crap tho.
Hillarious
Lmao I know the guy that did that comment.
Phillip Wilbur Jr. fuck off
Was, is, and always will be the greatest cyclist in the world (in my book).
you were, are and always will be a juiced up sucker
@@swagataraha3707 take all the stuff you want, train all your life, hire the best coaching, and support and you will still never accomplish one thousandth of one percent of what he did.
@@mrski4945 sorry mate, if i've hurt your feelings, but someone cheating to create a legacy and tarnishing the sport knowingly is not someone i'll worship...
well, it's true that i won't achieve even a fraction of what he'd achieved, but knowing that he's a cheater and still considering him the best doesn't make your life any better, there are other cyclists who are trying hard to make this sport clean again and make people believe in them and the the sport, guys like Armstrong (now listen up, he was my hero before all of this) has done nothing but tarnished the game, so you keep supporting him, meanwhile, we the fans of cycling will look for a clean and better person who might not win 7 maillot jaunes on the row but someone who will win our hearts with passion and love for the sport of cycling...
I remember reading an autobiography of a Scottish cyclist who won stages on the tour De France years back. He talked about doping ang tried to explain it this way. When you 25 miles into the mountains and your out of the saddle pumping hard and gulping huge amounts of oxygen down. Then your passed by twenty odd cyclists who are in the saddle peddling normally and they are passing you easily and breathing through their noses. He said at that point you either give up or join in.
Or bring attention to it and fight it.
@@DreamBeatsBakery The guy was old and Scottish. He settled all his problems with his fists and a French girl to keep him Company lol if I remember rightly he ate his stage winning bike in a week. Hard bastard. Good teeth mind.
@@twt3716
Sounds awesome haha didn't know cycling gets this fucked up
@@twt3716 Then took a caretaker's job at Springfield Elementary School?
Do you know his name?
Joe is the best person to interview everybody he's very objective. Thanks for giving to the world all your videos!
Unless you disagree with pot...lol
I think sometimes Joe needs to push back more on guests saying 💩 that ain't true
@@drexlspivey3047 yeah he is sometimes a bit to friendly and dosen't challenge
The greatest bicycle touring champion of all time, he took the same drugs as most of the others and beat them at their own game. Being angry at Armstrong for taking drugs is like being angry at Valentino Rossi for using an engine. They all were. I feel sorry for those that didn't but I still see him as the greatest.
You said eveything, finally someone who can think and see how the things are. They all used the same resources so If they all did and he won is because he's better with or without those drugs.
I think the anger is more directed at how he denied it, how he made other people's lives so miserable if they dared tell the truth. He's a nasty guy. And a cheater, of course.
firstly they weren't all at I'm convinced of that. some people have morals, Lance had none and even forced others to follow his lead. He was the expert in it and encouraged the destroy a sport I loved. still to this day the nasty side of him is still there protecting people that supported him. he's not forgiven in my book.
mj897 No I don't think they all were, but I think a lot of them were. I think that it was so prevalent that there is no point assuming that the 2nd or other top finishers weren't, so in my mind he is the greatest champion. I do think he has tainted his legacy a huge amount, but I still think it stands, albeit on wobbly legs.
If i would dream of stardom in a sport, i turn out to have incredible talent, plus work ethic etc. But everybody else is taking something; i would have taken it also, level the playing field.
Everybody was taking it, saw a documentary about michael rasmussen and the rabobank team on dutch tv few days ago, so unfair for rasmussen, rabobank knew everybody was taking it they were allowing it, had the cyclists under doctor control who were taking it, but when the media was pressuring rabobank they pulled him out and robbed him of winning the tour and 5 million per year salary.
I quite honestly could careless if he used PEDs... he helped raise hundreds of millions of dollars for cancer research and he put a spotlight on a dying sport and one that would otherwise be extremely overlooked and never mentioned at all in America. He’s still the greatest cyclist of all time imo.
Absofuckinglutely!
Would you say that if he was Russian or from any other country.... Doubtful.
@@popmur7089 stop projecting
100% agreed!
Pop Mur No because if he was Russian or from any other country nobody would fuckin care. Probably not even their home country. It wasn’t just the PEDs. It was the fact he survived cancer, it was that he was so dominant, and Lance has a personality that ppl are drawn to in the first place. Ppl think you can just take PEDs hop on a bike and win 7 Tour de Frances... like he said, the only reason he started taking them was because everyone else was, so what is he suppose to do not compete? Had the whole field really been clean Lance still would have won 7.
Let me be clear, Armstrong is a legend! He is CYCLING, he was the TOUR DE FRANCE. Love him or hate him, I've never seen an athlete go absolutely fn rogue on a bike like him. He was a world class triathlete at the age of 15. GIFTED TO THE GILLS! I've followed his journey since Plano, and he would have been successful without the juice. 7 time winner, maybe not. But there is nothing like psycho Lance looking back at the competition with that catch me B***** if you can.
Magnificent interview JR! War to Armstrong 👊 Thank you for the wonderful memories and spanking the tours ass, especially the French fries.
He’s a dick, a liar, and a cheater. What a hero!
Enrico Palazzo who also raised $500million for cancer research
outofretirement Fair enough, but I imagine if he was a legitimate athlete people would actually still be donating to his foundation.
am i the only one who never thought any different of Lance Armstrong?
+RobPulson nah, he finished first. everyone else are just whiners
+RobPulson Probably because you don't know the details of how he systematically destroyed loyal people around him because they dared to tell the truth about his lies. He behaved like a sociopath.
+Wemble Ton snitches get stitches
+RobPulson Our roided up guy beat your roided up guy
We're in the few maybe, but far from the only one's. I think he still has a million loyal fans if not more.
I think the biggest problem was the way he treated his friends, family, fans and teammates.
Yes thats why i dont like him i dont care that he doping he all were
Right, like the guy on intervention.
chris55top Yeah it seriously was. Everyone was doping in the era Armstrong rode in so the playing field was almost completely even, and there’s nothing to take away the fact that he was one of the best road cyclists of all time. But yeah he was a piece of shit to his teammates, Tyler Hamilton revealed who Lance really was in his book.
And he seems completely insincere, and only regrets getting caught.
@@emboe001 Well he doesn't need to be apologetic and show shame to the public because he did nothing to them - he shouldn't try and show sincere shame and humility if he doesn't feel it - he was certainly an asshole to his associates but the public at large weren't harmed...Everyone else was doping and he feels he won all 7 tours fair and square - so do his top rivals.
I admire his frankness , good look to Lance for the future
Don't knock your self to much Lance, You did what ever it's takes to win only a competitive person will only get what you done.
Apparently it takes a competitive person to shoot themselves up with drugs. Yes, real brave.
Apparently it takes a competitive person to break the rules, bribe to cover it up and then lie through their teeth. Yes, real courageous.
That isn't the mark of a competitive person. That's the mark of a coward who can't face the music that they don't feel they can win on the merit of actually being skillful, and instead strokes their ego by shooting themselves up with drugs and then tries to convince themselves that they did nothing wrong.
You aren't competitive if you break rules and cheat. You're just a coward who can't win to the rules. He got what he deserved, but frankly should have copped worse. He's lucky that he can walk away with only a fine and his reputation trashed for life. They went easy on him.
@@destinedwarlord2128 He was doing business as business was done. No more, no less. If you don't see that, then that's on you.
@@destinedwarlord2128 he competed in an even playing field and won.
He is twice the man you are.
Destined Warlord Cry more hahaha
I just want to point something out. At the 15:00 mark, Joe said that Lance was being deomonized for winning amongst other cheaters. I don't agree. Most people don't give a flip if Lance doped or not (I don't). Most people have an issue with how Lance went on these smear campaigns to sue people for slander and also lie about people to make them look bad because they knew the truth. THAT's why most people have an issue with Lance.
Very good point, sir.
Everyone made money from Lance regardless how he treated people lol Lance Armstrong made everyone around him rich and comfortable
Right. Absolutely. Totally back you, there.
He didn't have to be mean and destructive, he didn't.
He`s not talking about the people around him. He`s talking about journalists.
Great point, thanks. Saved one and a half hours of my day :)
Joe still doesn't know how to pronounce Conan. CO-NAAN.
+Glenners lmfao i noticed that
+Glenners Shut up, moron.
+Glenners Joe knows how to pronounce Conan's name. He was referencing Joey Diaz's pronunciation. You know, like "goomy bears".
+Glenners it's pronounced Co-nun by everyone else except Americans
+Glenners He's mentioned before how he pronounces it like "CO-NAAN" the Barbarian because Conan sounds shitty and gay.
Lance ...you are still my All Time Sports Hero .. Especially what you did for All the people who suffered From Cancer.. Thank You..
Lance won a race in which every competitor was doping. That is a level playing field and makes him the champion.
Agree. If everyone (including you) isn't cheating and you win, or everyone is cheating/doping (including you) and you win. Either way you win even and square.
It's not that simple. There are only certain things you can dope to improve. Red blood cell count is one major one. It can only be put to 50. So if athlete A is a great sprinter with poor RBC of 42 he gets a massive boost of 8. If athlete B is really good at endurance naturally having RBC of 48 he can only improve his level by 2 and there is no equivalent drug to help say his sprint
Yes and you are a sports physiologist who knows all about all the cyclists who doped.Please dont be intellectually disingenuous.Doping is cheating like cheating on your wife is wrong.
Absolutely true. What I like best about Lance is that he participated in a system that made it impossible for athelets to compete without doping. He should be doing speeches in schools about how to dope so they can learn how not to get caught cheating.
Armstrong is mentally ill and still cant feel deep remorse for what he did to so many people.By his own admission he is in therapy and likely will be for the rest of his life.His father abandonment issues screwed him up and turned him into a cycling narcissist second only to the ass hole in the whitehouse
I feel for him. Things in life aren't always so simple. Good interview as always! xo
Lance Armstrong settled the 100M Postal case against him for 5M
I love Joe Rogan for the way he humanizes things and just have the ability to get people to open up and just... talk. This is a great interview
1. The sport as a whole gained a hell lot from this guy. People who didn't know a squat about cycling started watching it and buying cycles. "Cycling" made money from his popularity. So give him the credit he deserves
2. He survived a death threatening cancer and got back to competitive cycling in no time and pushed his body way more than most guys can. He then went on to compete at the elite level and at that time he was not doping(a lot). So give him the credit he deserves.
3. After he was banned and after getting off the juice, he competed in triathlons and beat the shit out of younger competitors. Give him the credit he deserves.
If he didn’t publicly deny and fight it till it was completely busted open, I’d agree.
That’s not what happened and his wrongdoing didn’t stop at EPO use.
@@esvignettes7592 Right on the money. Furthermore, how many countless ppl did he bully, threaten, intimidate, and try to damage on a personal level? He is an arrogant man without any morals.
THe sport lost everything it gained when its image came crashing down.
ESVignettes you wouldn’t admit it till it was proven either everyone once in their life has denied something until it was proven. Then you kinda just have to eat the crow
68% of all Tour De France winners tested dirty. Lance Armstrong remains the only one to ever be stripped. #FkkkCycling
It's like if a pastor cheats on his wife. Lance was being held to a different standard, largely because of his own words.
He was such a jerk. Still is. Glad that he got everything that came to him.
Maybe if he'd stop coming to TV shows and bringing it up he wouldn't be too? I don't see others on TV
This motherfucker mocked the world by uploading pictures of his trophies after bullying and ending peoples careers. Yet you think is unfair to strip him of those trophies. Crazy.
Floyd Landis
I'm honestly not that mad at lance. I don't get the outrage at all. He's a competitive dude in a cut throat game. So he cut throats. Fin
All the lies, denials, cheating, malicious accusations, etc. Stand up guy
+rusty I hear what you're saying, believe me. But the facade of clean sports with honor and integrity died a long time ago. Sports and entertainment isn't about just skill and drive- it takes some real shitty moves that fuck over a lot of people to make it to the top of any sport. I think Lance owes a huge paycheck to the andreus, the masseuse, the sports writers, and any other person he shit on to get to where he is. But such is life- sometimes you get shit on. Move on.
Kurt Adams do you feel like he was alone in his efforts to dope to win? Do you think the entire peloton was doping? Was lance just the best doper? Do you think TDF is clean now? I think lance owes the people he stream rolled a lot of money and lifetimes of apologies. But what he did to win doesn't bother me.
Kurt Adams no one in those 7 wins has been proven to be a clean rider. Different riders have made attempts at clean runs but almost all have hidden or omitted results. That's why I'm saying the whole sport is dirty and I don't care who has the most stains. Lance is a shitty human being. Lance was the smartest and most ruthless doper. Lance also was the best rider amongst the dopers. That's all.
I'm not trying to anger you though. I'm just saying my opinion.
Armstrong provided some of the MOST exciting cycling in Tour de France history. He won over everyone who was also doping. I'll say it and I'm not embarraced to say so... I f*ckin' LOVE Lance Armstrong.
And then he accused everyone else of doping
Lance rode to my elementary school in California we all got to shake his hand. Very cool experience
I have a close mate calles peter parker....big up
Still the champ! I wish I could see him race again.
The absolute GOAT. People on the periphery have no idea how badass this guy was.
He was and still is a Living legend. The greatest in the history of the sport. No one has done what he did. Respect forever
They were on a level playing field. He earned those 7 titles.
Lance was my hero back in the day. I ride 300 days a year at age 66.
Still an Idol and Inspiration I respect the Life of Lance Armstrong Competitor to the end
Ask Floyd Landis how he was treated...
Awesome interview. Never watched Joe Rogan before. Definitely going to watch from here on.
Lance is hands down one of the Best cyclist ever! Lance was the best of the entire sport during his period and most periods! He trained harder than EVERYONE, period.
Awesome interview...I think everything that happened Lance and everything he did was almost inevitable. Being American he had a huge fan base and that just multiplied with every race he won. His cancer recovery was almost miraculous and then winning the tour de France afterwards was like a fairy tale. That catapulted him to be the most famous sportsman on the planet. Then the cancer foundation he was part of made him even more popular...The dogs on the street knew the sport was dirty and too many people wanted to drag him down from his superstar status. Had he been from a much smaller country, never got cancer and won the Tour de France 7 times he prob would have gotten away with it. He did what every other cyclist was doing and found himself digging a deep hole.
It is 2020 and I finally got round to listening to Lance again. I was one of those guys that was angry with him. I was a hard defender of LA during his career and felt cheated.
After this interview, I forgive him. I don’t support any road cycling anymore, but I am not angry anymore with Lance.
I wish him and his family well
Yawn yawn yawn
My problem with Lance was not that he was one of many that cheated in the sport.
It was the fact that he harpooned people who accused him of cheating. He was VICIOUS against accusers.
so what you would have also if you were in his position. Please don''t lie and say you would have been a stand up guy.
He stated in the video . That this is what made him ugly and he admits.
True . Did not knew
@@spicacolorado His story is notable precisely because nobody goes that far to protect their lies. He went out of his way to destroy lives & careers of others. In some cases those people weren't even trying to expose him. Lance is a real life super villain.
Exactly, it wasn't just cheating. He shitted on the people who accused him of cheating, used his fame and power to bury his accusers. That is what rub people the wrong way. He destroyed people's lives to protect his lie and fame. Stephen A smith once mentioned that if would be very different if he were to win 1 or 2 tour de france, retired and start his live strong cancer foundation. Most people would have been alright with that. However, he continued competing in the midst of all these allegations. A person with common sense could see he was not competing for the cancer patients like how he portrayed, the fact is he wanted more money and more fame.
Awaiting J. Bruyneel his book coming up... He and Lance acted like real mobsters in their era, it's not bout the doping, but how they went to work. Blackmailing, intimidation, corruption (paying UCI director after positive test, in the beginning), threathening the one's talking bout what was going on... they got high on their greed and power, difference with getting high on dope
Joe should invite Lance more often now when he's based in Austin. That was a great talk. I've listened to it a couple of times. Armstrong is an impressive guy no matter what. He was willing to do whatever it takes to be the best.
Lance Armstrong is a beast no matter what
Getting doped for 15 straight years grants you beast powers, that's for sure.
Sam Smith godamn right
lucaboden idiot
flyingspagetti no, he's a beast. Everyone is doping! All those other guys who were doped up just like him didn't have an ounce on him
This guy was literally the most famous athlete in the US for the better part of a decade. He is one of the greatest stories of a fallen hero.
The scapegoat of an era...
Exactly.
The asshole of an era
Do some research, he did some really fucked up stuff to his teammates and those close to him. Hardly undeserving.
He kinda did it to himself tho.....
@@benstadler4337 thus making him the PERFECT scapegoat
Ped's are an ancient way to cheat.
Nowadays men just identify as women and dominate their sports.
Steve 😂😂
Haha is this a reference to the board girls episode of south park?
how many times has this happened? can you name someone who wasn't trans?
Laura Dee Battle same same.
Steve .. so true
Holy shit, literally just watched the documentary about his ruthlessness
+mikemugs7 What was it called?
+mikemugs7 please link it
+BuzzBuzz Jackson "Stop at Nothing: The Lance Armstrong story" Very interesting Doc
+Eva Green Fan Video link?
+mikemugs7 Thanks
Brilliant interview, thank you for availing this to us. There are some rather interesting insights shared by both Rogan and Armstrong. Thank you.
Win, lose, drugs, scandals. Still possibly the most determined athlete in history.
We need to teach kids how to dope without getting caught. All kids should be doping by age 10.
Earth Man 😅
In history? Bollocks.
Steel Nerves it’s bollock
Absolutely
Viagra is a performance enhancing drug.
John Copple Even Adderrall is how..
Lance is an awesome cycler. His drug cycles were one of the best out there!
Nothing beats Floyd Landis' epic stage- beginning to stage-end ride 06
drug cyclist*
Ahh, stage 17 in tdf 06'. The good old days when I really couldnt believe what was happening. And I got so much hate for it. Probably the most obvious doping performance Ive ever witnessed in cycling. And the face on the bitch Landis after the stage. I was still in denial about Armstrong though...
Man. Long live Lance Armstrong!
Being from Texas, I've always had great respect for Lance. Even after watching this, I still think he's an awesome dude. Really good episode, this one was great.
Martin Adams
You were alot happier that Lance won the tour de france before the truth went out Correct?
They should reinstate his records and victories, everyone was on epo, fair is fair
Where’s your proof?
@@mitchduncan2942huh? history? tests?
@@mitchduncan2942just look it up
"Holy shit" Anyone else think that?
+Big Brother Thunder and The Master Blasters not only did I think it, I *said* it!
yeah hah these kind of guests is what makes JRE the shit
pretty much.
+Big Brother Thunder and The Master Blasters THREE YELLOW MEN TRILLIONAIRE CLUB
Possibly the most informative interview ive ever watched. I really felt like I finally got the real story on this. I live in his home town and most people know someone who knew him. Like most interesting people he is complicated. I really don’t like the way he went after people personally and legally for what turned out to be the truth. Lots of collateral damage in his wake. However he seems to recognize that now and I for one do not feel his athletic accomplishments should be diminished when taken in context. I’m not sure all the individuals in the top tear were doping as he says but certainly a large majority were.
Thank you Joe for a great interview and thank you Lance for your honesty. For what it’s worth I think the road you are on now is a good albeit long one but you’re used to those.
He recognises it now bc he has no choice! He lied and fought for the cover up for as long as he possibly could. No sympathy here.
If everybody is doing the same drugs, But Lance is still winning tell me how that doesn't make him the best ?
Because of 2 reasons :
-you're never sure whether everybody took the same drugs. Everybody is suspicious the other rider has something you don't have
-the same drug will not enhance every human being the same way. Some, for physiological reasons, will benefit more than others. So it's not a level playing field.
You obviously have no experience in the competitive world of sport, which is fine, but don't spout off ignorant opinions when you don't understand the topic.
ajsd sad Don't be condescending towards people who've never competed either. You make the rest of us athletes look bad.
Condescension is what keeps idiots in check. People think they know everything about sport because they watch youtube videos and spread false information need to be put in place.
It's not Lance saying that. It's facts. Look up the positive drug tests and how many other champs had their titles stripped too. Yep. He lied... but the drugs were and are a part of the entire sport.
Doping or not Armstrong is one of my favorite cyclers!
Lance will always be a champion in my book! Live strong brother and Joe awesome video keep up the good work.
You should Micheal Phelps on here that would be awesome
I just saw this now, in 2019, and holy sh** this is awesome!
wtf, where u been all ur life dude
Not everyone spends all their time watching podcasts
I live in Belgium, watched the Tour in Lance his days, could discuss days about doping but what was fucked up was that his entourage was high on greed, power, money... not high on dope per se
Only listening now ,😮
00blackfrc oh crap that’s why I’m not getting anything done xD
The GOAT of Cycling...no doubt...You've done well!
No chance
The goat?? Hes a cheat
Luke Gately you're a fat cow
“A nap is performance enhancing”😂😂😂
It is, just not as good as drugs obviously.
why are you laughing? Have you ever competed competitively? Every little things is gold.
@@benno8699 I certainly have. I thought it was funny. Why else?
@@snook3032 well just thought you'd understand it then, I don't see it as funny but coming from Lance it might be
@@benno8699 Word. while I sit here and pout cause I don't have time for my nap. lol! Happy Training!!
One of the best interview I have ever witnessed.
how?
Dramatic much?
One of the best microphones ive ever witnessed
There’s too much money involved in any sport to keep it clean
He's the winner in my book. 7 time champion. He just doped to make it fair. Everyone was doping
LA7
"He just doped to make it fair". Noble, this Armstrong guy, wasn't he? All these legal cases he drowned people in and the journalists he slandered publicly? Shit happens, rght?
See a doctor dude.
@@kackstuhl5528 he has apologized repeatedly for his behavior.....guess you were a perfect person all your life.....
@@markmtbrider thing is though, he's not your regular liar. He sued journalists and publicly defamed people who dared to express their suspicions etc.
@@kackstuhl5528 we all know how a lie snowballs , therefore the cover up like wise ....This day Lance doesn't try to defend what he did, saying he treated everthing in his life at the time like the tour. A must win at all costs. That behavior cost him dearly, all that said he won those 7 tour de France on an even playing feild and the UCI new what was going on but looked the other way for decades.
The fact that there is just a line in the recordbooks for 7 years will make it the 7 most interesting years. People will research what happended then. In 200 years, Lance Armstrong will be the only cyclist remembered of this day.
"Cycler"....😉🤣
Paul Buikstra what a way to be remembered the greatest doper of all time😂
@@ashleyplatt1321 cyclist seems right. Maybe its wrong, but it feels right.
Not trying to be a dick or anything, literally just a rhetorical question: who cares that he's going to be remembered 200 years from now
This podcast was insane, you could tell Armstrong was constantly torn between the damage that his lie did to him and his family and the fact that he still thinks he won all those Tours. Like one phrase he was trying to apologize and the next second he was after Novitsky's ways, it was fascinating. Like he was dealing with an inner demon or some wild shit...
Novitsky’s way?
@@ListenWell he went after Armstrong because US Postal was sponsor of his team, governmental institution...
0davy debrycke thanks, I actually had looked him up after I watched this.
Doped or not, he won. Seven times.
He won
I guaranfuckingtee you that if you took away the dope for all riders LA would still win. Maybe not 7 but he'd win several. Dude is a genetic mutant and always has been since he was a pro triathlete at 15 years old. He's a freak of nature who has giant lungs and one of the highest VO2 max recordings in history...that's a fact and that's not something any drug can give you. He was blessed with big lungs that can suck up huge amounts of oxygen, therefore, he's working a lot less than others when racing. Let's not forget that this guy was an obsessive disciplined athlete who also just flat out worked harder than most. There's countless stories of his training regimen, especially in the winter when others were drinking beer and relaxing, and impeccable preparation with technology.
The fucking government needs to move on and quit wasting our fucking money on dumb shit like pursuing an ex-cyclist.
his VO2 max was in the low 80's, unremarkable for a cyclist. Chris Froome's is in the mid 90's. Not to say he still wouldn't have won from sheer drive and athleticism, but he definitely didn't have one of "the highest vo2 max recordings in history" that's bullshit.
+Lonely Elk Wrong. Armstrong's VO2 was 84.0, Froome's 84.6. Lance is #22 on the list in the entire world so I'd say that's pretty good and qualifies for "one of the highest recorded." Of all cyclists there are only 7 above him.
www.topendsports.com/testing/records/vo2max.htm
btw you can actually expand your VO2 a whole lot through drugs
I agree with the OP. If he was doing EPO and everyone else was doing EPO, and he still beat them, then what does that say about him. Even Canseco said that you can't just juice up and expect to do great things. You still gotta put in the work
This is why incomplete knowledge is a dangerous thing.VO2 MAX is ONE of the measure of "potential" but not the only one. Then again,multiple riders,most notably Floyd Landis,had a higher max. Then,there is his muscle fiber type. Most Gen Classification guys reveal their potential within 3 yrs. Armstrong raced for 4 yrs before that,never thought of has having potential. He was never a climber,could only sprint,couldnt time trial. In a clean sport,he couldve been a Peter Sagan type rider at best but there is no way he could've kept up with the best,although there is no true way of finding out as the rest of the field was skewed too.
You've got to admit - Armstrong's got balls to do this show
Ball
@@michaelmorphites6733 When i saw Gordon's comment, I knew that this one answer had to be that. If it weren't you, i'd do it. This had to be said. Gordon knew someone would do this comment when he wrote his comment. I thank you, Michael, I thank you, Gordon, I thank you, Lance, I thank you, Joe Rogan, for showing me the way for this moment. You guys are great.
He won because he had a big advantage in left hand sweeping turns
Gordon Stoun you mean ‘ball’
the ball is juiced..
Lance proved he was the absolute best cyclist ever just because of his pace of cycling and his incredible cross-country rides in the midst of the TDF. It is so unjust what happened to him, while Jalabert and Fignon playing clean on TV.
Still love this guy for what he did. By that I mean all the good he did! Road with Lance here in Brisbane Australia in 2011 for a charity ride and it was for the kids. All the best to you Lance! Thanks for coming clean. Best to your family. 7 yellows mate. Respect!
Kevin Zabel ,rode.
Yes RUclips. Id very much like to see Lance Armstrong on JRE 4 years after the interview took place. Seems very relevant
I know right
Fucki it though we watched lmao
It actually is considering ESPN has a 30 for 30 on Armstrong starting tonight.
Jesus the world really is getting really stupid obviously you have no clue how algorithms work you probably never saw this video but you watch Joe’s videos you’re subscribed to the channel and it recommended one of Joe’s videos you haven’t seen before...
Always good to see someone’s actual perspective for once rather than the media’s usually incorrect portrayal.
Make no mistake: his competitors were juicing just as much. He is still one of the best riders of all time.
💯 legit
He trained harder
Longer
Reconned the course for 6 months
yeah, if everyone cheats and we catch the biggest of them all, let's celebrate the fact that he is still the best among cheaters... tf are you smoking, son?
He is still one of the best cheater of all time...
@@aledmb So your pick would be....?
@@aledmb he wasnt the biggest..he did 1 thing epo or blood dopes...other took steroids epo etc.... his was just organised the best...and he was the best rider...they all doped he was the best...get your head out your arse