The game creep'd up on me and now i'm really into it. My big problem is the obscure paywalls you only see once you are invested, which is an actual strategy you see a lot in f2p games. Like unlocking traits on epic gear.
@@Semibrucelee When did it click for you then? Damn yeah I was warned about certain elements in this game that require some financial investment lol but I didn't know was a thing until this comment lol
@@gimmedecash Some traits, especially offensive ones, are very expensive, even more so for field boss drops. Sure there are ways to make lucent playing the game or upgrade your gear with blessing (using blues to upgrade), but eventually you hit a wall and have to accept it will be slow process to "finish" gearing up.
@@Semibrucelee You need to look for different mechanics then. You can unlock expensive traits with traitstones which you can craft from dungeon tokens. Im 3,4k CP full epic and i didnt pay a single cent. And i play under 10 hours a week.
I 100% understand what you're talking about. I got exactly the same feeling from the game. I think part of the issue is how sanitary the UI is, and the characters/classes/story lack flavor. None of the game has *character* like a wow warlock, or Vivec/Morrowind in ESO, or The First in FFXIV:Shadow Bringers. The features of the game are awesome, but I'm just going to say it... too bland, too Korean-MMOish!
@@snactimusmaximus what a great way to put it! Lack of flavor fits perfectly. It's a lot of cool individual ideas but the execution ends up being too bland 100%, kind of like that "jack of all trades, master of none" saying lol
A guide. * Main quests bring you up to 50 * Start running dungeons to farm for gear you need for your builds * Do world dungeons while doing the quests for said areas (they look like scrolls) * Keep doing that and I already hit 2500 power. (No whaling, just what the game offers you) * About a week of playing and doing that you should be at 2500-2700 in power if you’re consistent. * Soon Tier 2 dungeons will drop and you just farm the better gear for your builds. Extra info ( Don’t bother with world bosses, the item drops for the person who does the most damage to the boss so you’re just wasting time against whales) Important do your amoti or however it’s spelt and collect the toy characters and . They give boss drop bonuses, gold bonuses, xp bonuses etc. Helps with farming and everything else. The game is P2W so whales will always have advantages. Until we cap our own characters with a little more time put into the game.
mate, I see from the footage that the highest level you reached is around 30.. Did you reach lvl 50 but did not include videos of it in the final footage? Because otherwise you are judging a book from its cover and jumping on the hate train that this game is receiving (but not deserving)
@@CanaleInsensato No I didn't make it to lvl50 because the WTF IS video format is based on a early hour review! I do retrospective reviews also that are based on my thoughts after finishing the game and those are called "WTF WAS". No jumping on any hate train here broski and I do hope the video doesn't come off as hating! I do 100% see the appeal and the fun that the game can be for certain players, but its just not for me unfortunately. Like I said in the video, I really tried to get into it because on paper it looks like a game I would love but for some reason it just didn't click.. 100% the game doesn't deserve the hate it's getting! For me it was mid, but nowhere near as bad as some people make it out to be
@@gimmedecash basically u have 2 boss systems. peace and conflict. both are bad imho. peace boss takes 'contribution' of players into account, so DPS and healers get all the drops obviously (healing people and damage are considered contribution). There is also a slight luck factor, so tanks can technically get some loot also, it is not balanced for them though in any way. And also - better geared players have a better chance of getting even more gear. Conflict bosses take 'guild contribution' into account, so only the strongest guilds have a real chance of getting ANY loot from those (on our server, those are zerg alliances, as you can have up to 4 guilds of hardcore whale players together in what is called an 'alliance' - we CAN as well but...hard to compete against 280 top level geared and hardcore players). And this includes archboss loot. TLDR? Best geared ppl get all the loot.
@@SillyLilStream So is it PvPvE in the conflict boss fight? also man wtf so the higher gear score you have the more damage you do and the more high level gear you get? sounds very unfair hahah, how is someone supposed to catch up when its virtually impossible? If its that bad then you'd imagine they'll fix it right or am I just overreacting
@@SillyLilStream Also man you'll never have to TLDR on here! I love reading these in-depth comments to really understand what is going on so thank you!
To start its a mmopvprpg not a solo rpg its like you played a rts and wanted it to be turn based. And are complaining abut no turns in a rts . Be quiet if you play a mmo solo and expect it to cater to your tastes. Its a mmo based around pvp large and massive. Its not for solo players. Go play something alone! 😊
@@markfuller263 I'm not expecting anything broski the devs themselves said that this is a narrative driven mmorpg and that means there is at least something for the solo player to possibly enjoy and that's what I wanted to find out! You could say the same about all other MMOs too as playing these games solo takes the whole MMO concept and throws it out of the window 😂 But I do get what you mean and if you're getting enjoyment out of it then awesome! The game does deserve credit for it's different systems!
wow leveling is engaging? excuse me? its the most boring "get to current expansion afap" type of content these days imo, and its kinda forcing you to not enjoy old stories or punishing you for doing so! other than that, yeah totally agree, I had quite high hopes for TL, and its like you said: meh... calls it self L3 and yet no open world pvp with penalties, no summoner class, no slow level grinding, no races, even that everyone can craft, just made player interactions necessary but here I can all solo it, the dungeon are cool first time around but thats about it and probably more reason, these just pop out of my head right away... And I dont know why, I like the combat but its not really for me, way too little spells and the fact that you have to choose them pre-encounter for me sucks, as Id rather just have more and choose between them according to the situation at hand... Also transformations are not really working for me, but oke, not too big of a deal in the game however what really is triggering me are the plushies, like wtf, theyre so not fitting here as you have this hot looking ultra graphically amazing game world and then you put almost smth like a cartoon character into it. yuck but thats just my opinion, and POV ;]
Well said! I felt TL is always trying to rush you to end-game and not really giving you the time to take it all in if that makes sense (no diddy) but in terms of wow being more engaging, my point is in terms of moving around the world and getting to the next objective, I'm going through the "new player" experience right now actually and will at some point probably make a video on that as well!
@@gimmedecash yea, but honestly I sometimes feel like thats not really the games fault, as many of them try to rush you into the end game, but rather a general behaviour of people today and not just in games, people just wanna do everything fast and be done with it and doesnt take their time to enjoy anything along the way, even I sometimes feel that way (not intentionally).. About wow new player experience, I have a lot to say about that (hope its ok sharing in TL comments, if not, sorry) as I played wow first time few years back on classic and this year on TWW expansion (first time retail) and it was, idk, interesting but I just feel sad we call this (and according to numbers it actually is) a MMORPG king... Ive played so many better mmos throughout the years, the classic was okay, quite enjoyable and took some time, endgame way kinda "tryhard" for me which I dont like as everyone were looking at stats on your raid runs but still nice experience, really like open world pvp like in the old days, even though I s*cked hard... :D but the retail, oh my :D what a mess! I dont even know where to start... I wanted to go through few of the expansions (Legion/Shadowlands) story leveling up, half way throught I was at new expansion level and the game sort of stopped giving me any reward for story anymore (I could have probably finished but wouldnt progress anywhere) and was kinda telling me to go enjoy the new expansion story even though I really wanted to finish what I started... Also finding people when youre solo for these old dungs is almost impossible, so some story quests were sort of "locked" because of it. New expansion, well it was OK, I guess, the underground maps are amazing, story is idk, I dont like wow storytelling, also I really hate the fact that alliance and horde are now friendly, like wtf :D when they kidnapped somebody of the other faction I was cheering and then we were going to rescue? why? (not gonna spoil it tho, but who played it probably knows), and so no open world pvp between them? yes you can switch to pvp version, but who would do that? mostly the geared ones, and thats not fun, you wanna meet the geared and get owned, but then you also wanna meet the low stats like you and have a good fight.... but on the normal non-violent version its like wtf, the other faction is there, but you cant interact with it, what even is the point of having them there then, you cant fight, you cant group up, you just see them... thats not what I call mmo 0:] and the raids/dungs, ehm the min maxing and try harding, its so boring and toxic for me, but thats again just todays time... Just a reminder, this was my POV of a new player...
@@quietcookie1112 Man dont worry at all, I LOVE to read when people take the time to comment their thought so thank YOU! I didnt know its that bad for the new player experience in wow retail because I was actually looking forward to playing it at my own pace but being kind of forced to play catch up in a sense does feel a bit off putting in all honesty. I might have to think twice about playing it and might move on to other mmos and I am very much open to suggestions as well!
@@gimmedecash honestly, go ahead and try it, maybe youll have a better experience, just keep in mind there is leveling phase and then there is the end game phase which are two different things and the game turns around the end game... idk what exactly I was expecting but sprinting through lvls 1-70 and then at normal pace going through 70-80 TWW content so that I could be told Im a bad player while trying my best in the end game, wasnt it... :D Kinda sticked around for my friends, but only for like a month, dont think Id enjoy solo. classic was like a year or maybe even more for me with my friends, way better imo, looking forward for a classic restart :] What I will be missing on classic looking back now is Zandalari Troll, really like the straight standing kinda athletic male troll char :D TL also got me for like a month, would like to get some more, just dont really see any meaning atm.
I really dont know what it is about Throne & Liberty that just didnt light that fire inside of me to keep playing in all honesty. Maybe it's trying to be too many things at the same without having its own identity but the fact is that it just wasn't for me 🤷♂ I do see the appeal though because if you're looking for a grindy game then this is IT. But yeah for me personally I was hoping for more engagement and fun instead of menus on top of menus of items to redeem and daily rewards galore. MMOs in general should give you incentives and motivate you to make it to end game because most MMOs are very time consuming but T&L didnt do that for me even if the combat and the morphing was fun. There is definitely some good times to be had here but overall I felt that I can have more fun playing some other game instead of this one so the interest just fell off in all honesty
if you're someone not looking for a guild based pvp focused mmorpg, throne is not for you. Currently the game cannot sustain a huge player base based off how the end game is designed and lack of content for casual/solo players. Normally servers are run by either 1 mega alliance, or like on my server a competition between the 3 top alliance. That means only around 1000 people per server can actually experience and enjoy alot of the end game pvp content. But if you are one of those players the experience is not like anything else, and you will probably never experience anything like it ever again. 1000 players fighting in the same area is not something most studios would ever try to tackle.
@@test443-p1l Wow okay I can imagine those battles are EPIC! Do you think there is a fix for these things then? Because it would really suck if only a fraction of the player base got to really experience the game at its best..
@@gimmedecash i wish they could, but i can only see them adding more content for smaller guilds and solo players. To experience what i have on my server is almost impossible because the players are responsible. Most servers are unbalanced and dominated by 1 alliance. Soulfire is probably the most balanced server.
@test443-p1l nice 👍 well maybe I will give it another chance because I really felt guilty in not enjoying the game lol. Shame for the one server dou as it defeats the purpose of a guild based mmo if you don't get to experience it in a fair manner. I don't think I've ever seen that work in a game tbh
I think leveling is something like a turoial in this game. Not enough to understand the mechanics even if you reached lvl 50, it's very chaotic in the early game. However when you start to understand it's being very fun.
@@gimmedecash Honestly i watched a lot of video about the gears, the dungeon tactics and the contract farming when i reached lvl 50 because everything seemed so complex. I played about 2-3 weeks on max lvl (i'm not a 24/7 hard player) and then i started to play by routine, go through dungeons easy and choose a playable build that i understand.
you skipped the lore just to say I don't like the lore haha I loved the lore and main quests Maybe next time don't skip it if you want to experience it
@@keknaskekngnton6658 Look I'm a simple man, I said it was too convoluted for me to follow so I won't pretend to know the lore, but I didn't say I didn't like it 🥲 I should really watch a lore video to really understand it haha, kind of like all the soulsborne games. Any suggestions?
Thoughts on Throne and Liberty? What was you experience like? Lets discuss down below! 👇
The game creep'd up on me and now i'm really into it. My big problem is the obscure paywalls you only see once you are invested, which is an actual strategy you see a lot in f2p games. Like unlocking traits on epic gear.
@@Semibrucelee When did it click for you then?
Damn yeah I was warned about certain elements in this game that require some financial investment lol but I didn't know was a thing until this comment lol
@@gimmedecash Some traits, especially offensive ones, are very expensive, even more so for field boss drops. Sure there are ways to make lucent playing the game or upgrade your gear with blessing (using blues to upgrade), but eventually you hit a wall and have to accept it will be slow process to "finish" gearing up.
I've spent 0 money on this game and have been having a blast 😅@@gimmedecash
@@Semibrucelee so essentially it's pay for convenience? A lot of games do that tbh but some games are just more shameless lol
@@Semibrucelee You need to look for different mechanics then. You can unlock expensive traits with traitstones which you can craft from dungeon tokens. Im 3,4k CP full epic and i didnt pay a single cent. And i play under 10 hours a week.
I 100% understand what you're talking about. I got exactly the same feeling from the game. I think part of the issue is how sanitary the UI is, and the characters/classes/story lack flavor. None of the game has *character* like a wow warlock, or Vivec/Morrowind in ESO, or The First in FFXIV:Shadow Bringers.
The features of the game are awesome, but I'm just going to say it... too bland, too Korean-MMOish!
@@snactimusmaximus what a great way to put it! Lack of flavor fits perfectly. It's a lot of cool individual ideas but the execution ends up being too bland 100%, kind of like that "jack of all trades, master of none" saying lol
A guide.
* Main quests bring you up to 50
* Start running dungeons to farm for gear you need for your builds
* Do world dungeons while doing the quests for said areas (they look like scrolls)
* Keep doing that and I already hit 2500 power. (No whaling, just what the game offers you)
* About a week of playing and doing that you should be at 2500-2700 in power if you’re consistent.
* Soon Tier 2 dungeons will drop and you just farm the better gear for your builds.
Extra info
( Don’t bother with world bosses, the item drops for the person who does the most damage to the boss so you’re just wasting time against whales)
Important do your amoti or however it’s spelt and collect the toy characters and . They give boss drop bonuses, gold bonuses, xp bonuses etc. Helps with farming and everything else.
The game is P2W so whales will always have advantages. Until we cap our own characters with a little more time put into the game.
mate, I see from the footage that the highest level you reached is around 30.. Did you reach lvl 50 but did not include videos of it in the final footage? Because otherwise you are judging a book from its cover and jumping on the hate train that this game is receiving (but not deserving)
I'm having a blast! I've made 2 characters, both level 50. I love this game!
@@CanaleInsensato No I didn't make it to lvl50 because the WTF IS video format is based on a early hour review! I do retrospective reviews also that are based on my thoughts after finishing the game and those are called "WTF WAS".
No jumping on any hate train here broski and I do hope the video doesn't come off as hating! I do 100% see the appeal and the fun that the game can be for certain players, but its just not for me unfortunately. Like I said in the video, I really tried to get into it because on paper it looks like a game I would love but for some reason it just didn't click..
100% the game doesn't deserve the hate it's getting! For me it was mid, but nowhere near as bad as some people make it out to be
@@richardrahl2685 Nice!! What did you like about it to keep you coming back?
if they didnt fix the world boss drop system this game will die
@@tamer3009 how so?
@@gimmedecash basically u have 2 boss systems. peace and conflict. both are bad imho. peace boss takes 'contribution' of players into account, so DPS and healers get all the drops obviously (healing people and damage are considered contribution). There is also a slight luck factor, so tanks can technically get some loot also, it is not balanced for them though in any way. And also - better geared players have a better chance of getting even more gear.
Conflict bosses take 'guild contribution' into account, so only the strongest guilds have a real chance of getting ANY loot from those (on our server, those are zerg alliances, as you can have up to 4 guilds of hardcore whale players together in what is called an 'alliance' - we CAN as well but...hard to compete against 280 top level geared and hardcore players). And this includes archboss loot.
TLDR? Best geared ppl get all the loot.
@@SillyLilStream So is it PvPvE in the conflict boss fight? also man wtf so the higher gear score you have the more damage you do and the more high level gear you get? sounds very unfair hahah, how is someone supposed to catch up when its virtually impossible?
If its that bad then you'd imagine they'll fix it right or am I just overreacting
@@SillyLilStream Also man you'll never have to TLDR on here! I love reading these in-depth comments to really understand what is going on so thank you!
The combat is soo trash.... I play it because it's free
damn bro 🥲 is it the tab targeting or what?
To start its a mmopvprpg not a solo rpg its like you played a rts and wanted it to be turn based. And are complaining abut no turns in a rts .
Be quiet if you play a mmo solo and expect it to cater to your tastes.
Its a mmo based around pvp large and massive. Its not for solo players. Go play something alone! 😊
@@markfuller263 I'm not expecting anything broski the devs themselves said that this is a narrative driven mmorpg and that means there is at least something for the solo player to possibly enjoy and that's what I wanted to find out! You could say the same about all other MMOs too as playing these games solo takes the whole MMO concept and throws it out of the window 😂
But I do get what you mean and if you're getting enjoyment out of it then awesome! The game does deserve credit for it's different systems!
wow leveling is engaging? excuse me? its the most boring "get to current expansion afap" type of content these days imo, and its kinda forcing you to not enjoy old stories or punishing you for doing so!
other than that, yeah totally agree, I had quite high hopes for TL, and its like you said: meh... calls it self L3 and yet no open world pvp with penalties, no summoner class, no slow level grinding, no races, even that everyone can craft, just made player interactions necessary but here I can all solo it, the dungeon are cool first time around but thats about it and probably more reason, these just pop out of my head right away...
And I dont know why, I like the combat but its not really for me, way too little spells and the fact that you have to choose them pre-encounter for me sucks, as Id rather just have more and choose between them according to the situation at hand...
Also transformations are not really working for me, but oke, not too big of a deal in the game however what really is triggering me are the plushies, like wtf, theyre so not fitting here as you have this hot looking ultra graphically amazing game world and then you put almost smth like a cartoon character into it. yuck
but thats just my opinion, and POV ;]
Well said! I felt TL is always trying to rush you to end-game and not really giving you the time to take it all in if that makes sense (no diddy) but in terms of wow being more engaging, my point is in terms of moving around the world and getting to the next objective, I'm going through the "new player" experience right now actually and will at some point probably make a video on that as well!
@@gimmedecash yea, but honestly I sometimes feel like thats not really the games fault, as many of them try to rush you into the end game, but rather a general behaviour of people today and not just in games, people just wanna do everything fast and be done with it and doesnt take their time to enjoy anything along the way, even I sometimes feel that way (not intentionally)..
About wow new player experience, I have a lot to say about that (hope its ok sharing in TL comments, if not, sorry) as I played wow first time few years back on classic and this year on TWW expansion (first time retail) and it was, idk, interesting but I just feel sad we call this (and according to numbers it actually is) a MMORPG king... Ive played so many better mmos throughout the years, the classic was okay, quite enjoyable and took some time, endgame way kinda "tryhard" for me which I dont like as everyone were looking at stats on your raid runs but still nice experience, really like open world pvp like in the old days, even though I s*cked hard... :D
but the retail, oh my :D what a mess! I dont even know where to start... I wanted to go through few of the expansions (Legion/Shadowlands) story leveling up, half way throught I was at new expansion level and the game sort of stopped giving me any reward for story anymore (I could have probably finished but wouldnt progress anywhere) and was kinda telling me to go enjoy the new expansion story even though I really wanted to finish what I started... Also finding people when youre solo for these old dungs is almost impossible, so some story quests were sort of "locked" because of it. New expansion, well it was OK, I guess, the underground maps are amazing, story is idk, I dont like wow storytelling, also I really hate the fact that alliance and horde are now friendly, like wtf :D when they kidnapped somebody of the other faction I was cheering and then we were going to rescue? why? (not gonna spoil it tho, but who played it probably knows), and so no open world pvp between them? yes you can switch to pvp version, but who would do that? mostly the geared ones, and thats not fun, you wanna meet the geared and get owned, but then you also wanna meet the low stats like you and have a good fight.... but on the normal non-violent version its like wtf, the other faction is there, but you cant interact with it, what even is the point of having them there then, you cant fight, you cant group up, you just see them... thats not what I call mmo 0:] and the raids/dungs, ehm the min maxing and try harding, its so boring and toxic for me, but thats again just todays time...
Just a reminder, this was my POV of a new player...
@@quietcookie1112 Man dont worry at all, I LOVE to read when people take the time to comment their thought so thank YOU! I didnt know its that bad for the new player experience in wow retail because I was actually looking forward to playing it at my own pace but being kind of forced to play catch up in a sense does feel a bit off putting in all honesty. I might have to think twice about playing it and might move on to other mmos and I am very much open to suggestions as well!
@@gimmedecash honestly, go ahead and try it, maybe youll have a better experience, just keep in mind there is leveling phase and then there is the end game phase which are two different things and the game turns around the end game... idk what exactly I was expecting but sprinting through lvls 1-70 and then at normal pace going through 70-80 TWW content so that I could be told Im a bad player while trying my best in the end game, wasnt it... :D Kinda sticked around for my friends, but only for like a month, dont think Id enjoy solo. classic was like a year or maybe even more for me with my friends, way better imo, looking forward for a classic restart :]
What I will be missing on classic looking back now is Zandalari Troll, really like the straight standing kinda athletic male troll char :D
TL also got me for like a month, would like to get some more, just dont really see any meaning atm.
@quietcookie1112 do you play any other MMOs actively then? I've been looking into playing ESO again or start my leveling on GW2
I really dont know what it is about Throne & Liberty that just didnt light that fire inside of me to keep playing in all honesty. Maybe it's trying to be too many things at the same without having its own identity but the fact is that it just wasn't for me 🤷♂ I do see the appeal though because if you're looking for a grindy game then this is IT. But yeah for me personally I was hoping for more engagement and fun instead of menus on top of menus of items to redeem and daily rewards galore. MMOs in general should give you incentives and motivate you to make it to end game because most MMOs are very time consuming but T&L didnt do that for me even if the combat and the morphing was fun. There is definitely some good times to be had here but overall I felt that I can have more fun playing some other game instead of this one so the interest just fell off in all honesty
if you're someone not looking for a guild based pvp focused mmorpg, throne is not for you. Currently the game cannot sustain a huge player base based off how the end game is designed and lack of content for casual/solo players. Normally servers are run by either 1 mega alliance, or like on my server a competition between the 3 top alliance. That means only around 1000 people per server can actually experience and enjoy alot of the end game pvp content. But if you are one of those players the experience is not like anything else, and you will probably never experience anything like it ever again. 1000 players fighting in the same area is not something most studios would ever try to tackle.
@@test443-p1l Wow okay I can imagine those battles are EPIC! Do you think there is a fix for these things then? Because it would really suck if only a fraction of the player base got to really experience the game at its best..
@@gimmedecash i wish they could, but i can only see them adding more content for smaller guilds and solo players.
To experience what i have on my server is almost impossible because the players are responsible. Most servers are unbalanced and dominated by 1 alliance. Soulfire is probably the most balanced server.
@test443-p1l nice 👍 well maybe I will give it another chance because I really felt guilty in not enjoying the game lol.
Shame for the one server dou as it defeats the purpose of a guild based mmo if you don't get to experience it in a fair manner. I don't think I've ever seen that work in a game tbh
you're just a bad gamer, there is no grind. just do t he quests and u will be level 50
@@macsdf1 bad gamer? bro whyy 😭 it's true but still hurts when someone says it lol
I think leveling is something like a turoial in this game. Not enough to understand the mechanics even if you reached lvl 50, it's very chaotic in the early game. However when you start to understand it's being very fun.
@@reechiee fair point. How long do you think it takes for everything to start making sense then?
@@gimmedecash Honestly i watched a lot of video about the gears, the dungeon tactics and the contract farming when i reached lvl 50 because everything seemed so complex. I played about 2-3 weeks on max lvl (i'm not a 24/7 hard player) and then i started to play by routine, go through dungeons easy and choose a playable build that i understand.
Leveling isn’t the grind, the grind is getting gear without swiping you rich fks lol swipe me a lucent giftcard
you skipped the lore just to say I don't like the lore haha
I loved the lore and main quests
Maybe next time don't skip it if you want to experience it
@@keknaskekngnton6658 Look I'm a simple man, I said it was too convoluted for me to follow so I won't pretend to know the lore, but I didn't say I didn't like it 🥲
I should really watch a lore video to really understand it haha, kind of like all the soulsborne games. Any suggestions?