Hello ...cool videos... you could try a triple exhaust (ferrari f40-ish look) with cyl 1and2 on one pipe then 3and4 on 2 seperate pipe ...just for sound/science curiosity
I went through a youtube rabbit hole of x-pipes and various exhaust stuff, and suddenly I wondered if anyone had ever done this with an inline 4 engine. Now I have all the answers I needed, thank you for doing these experiments.
Back in the ages of hot rod mags there was a brief blip on a traditional hotrodder that put true duals on his inline-4 ....Harley-like was described ...early 90s I think . Does make a supercharged miata seem appealing now .
Loving the goofy exhaust set ups, even if they're not "ideal" who cares, it's a unique sound and I'm digging the experimentation. I definitely prefer the 1-2 3-4 pairing
I have to agree it's intriguing to get a Harley sound from a 4 cylinder. Now the question is did Sir Hater have any performance differences between the exhaust pulse designs?
I've got something fun for ya. Grab yourself an 8-1 collector. Run each cylinder a length of primary, whatever you need to fit. at the end of that primary you Y each off. So cylinder 1: say 12" of primary "Y" and 1 leg of that Y, we'll call it 1Y(a) is whatever the minimum length you need to get it into a merge (keep it short because you have to add this length to the other leg plus the following. Then 1Y(b) is whatever 1Y(a) is + 35-36" of pipe. to merge it into that collector. Depending on EGT we'll call it 1100 F, at 5500 RPM, the car could sound like a flat plane V8 with an 8-1 collector. This is assuming all of the diameter of the primaries and their legs are the same ID. Sounds crazy, but it's crazy so that it'll actually sound crazy. You may or may not have heard this here first. Just experiment with stacking loops of long radius 90's to fit it against the firewall. :) It's hard to predict what the EGT's will be in each primary, the hotter the exhaust gets the higher the RPM will have to be to get the intervals to work. For instance, at that extra 36" on each of the legs, on a cold header or part throttle (lower egt) it might sound like a flat plane 8-1 at 4950 rpm instead.
I would probably have to stick all of that out of the hood to make it fit, lol. I would like to design an exhaust for the highest pitch possible, I need to do some homework on that. It would help if I had an engine that revved higher. I have my E30, that's pretty high pitched as it is.
Would like to see these pairs in UEL for subaru sound. The pairings are the same but runner 1 and 3 are short, 2 and 4 are longer/do a loop before they merge to their respective pair, that's what i want to make for my car. Love this content it needs more views and subs!
@@HatersGarage I found a really crazy sounding UEL 4 cylinder on youtube and its the only one of its kind for the car. Look up "UEL civic aka honda wrx" its the black civic si with a k20 i dont know if its already too similar to the previous one you made and if its just the k series sound that makes it different but i always laugh when i hear that video. Sounds like an old v8
@@repingers9777 Does sound very similar to the Subaru. If I do make a UEL video I'll have to find a way to make it different, since it's already been done on RUclips a lot.
@@HatersGarage thats true i think the way they did it was just go crazy and make the long runners as long as possible and the short ones shorter. Which is definitely a disaster for that engines performance and health which relys on really good flow at 8000rpm to make anypower 🤣
Your channel just popped up "true quad exhaust" i won't lie i was watching an Adam LZ's video but i havoured over your video until I was done with Adam's video and now am binge watching every video and i like them all😂😂😂😂😂❤❤❤❤❤
After you showed the cylinder pairing, it made sense why I was getting cross plane V8 vibes with the first one, with the irregular exhaust pulses. That arrangement sounded much, much better than the fart-trumpet second design, although the second almost certainly made more power.
Hey man. In Japan they have dekotora trucks. 3 cyl exhaust go to a muffler that produces whistles and 1 exhaust have straight pipe. I wonder how it would sound like on a 4 cyl petrol. Please do a vid 🙂
You should make 6 or 8 outlets from this true duals. Add some extra random length pipes coming out of the main duals from a y to the exhaust to see if it makes it sound like there are more cylinders than 4.
Funny: (almost) all four bangers in this world have 1-4 & 2-3 paired (because it is the best configuration). Very surpriced to see this 1-2 & 3-4 set up showing up as a standard configuration. 🙂
Now make a tune able exhaust. Like a trombone.. Something where you can slide one pipe over another to change collector length at will. Perhaps with a "shifter lever" approach, just move the lever back or forth. Short length for high rpms and long for low end torque.
Now I know. This is probably the heqder setup to combine with an H pipe instead of the X pipe. Might chop up that sound a bit more and bring it closer to the unique sound from before with the better flow of the 1-4 2-3
They made these cool true dual Headers that peaple put on ecotech swaped fieros. There strangely hard to find and I only found them spesificly sold for Cavaliers
Interesting. I knew changing which cylinders flow through which pipes would change the sound somewhat. Doing some research for someone who wants an unique exhaust sound for their V6. So far I'm recommending a 6-into-1 with 180-degree headers, but I wonder if altering the sequence in which each is collected would alter the exhaust note.
@HatersGarage Maybe, but perhaps a 6-3-1, or 6-2-1. Especially if you got creative by intertwining the headers into a common assembly. Also, there are different routings of header pipe that can affect the sound as well.
I saw your original video and was about to ask about this when I saw you'd already done it. Have you seen the 03-06 Kawasaki Z1000? They sound similar to the original dual (albeit revving higher). Very interesting experiments.
Could you try shortening cylinder 2 runner by 50% and lengthening cylinder 4 by 50% in relation to (and keeping) standard cylinder 1 and 3 runners? This could mimic a yamaha R1 crossplane sound
You forgot to make the 1-4/2-3 UEL! But either way, thanks for the upload. I guess it took longer to edit than you thought, huh? Anyway, if/when you go for this pairing with UEL, make it so the overall travel distance before the X, H, or Y pipe is roughly 2x compared to the other side. So from the exhaust port to the final merge (so before AND after the 4-2 merge total) is 2x the other side. 2x is the typical UEL ratio, as far as I understand it.
@@HatersGarage I feel like these are long tube enough for the powerband that car works in, especially if you make them merge back into 1 like the 4-2-1 is supposed to. If my opinion affects things at all, I say do the UEL with the 1-4/2-3 pairs by making the first merge section longer. Just loop it up and around until the total pathway is roughly 2x as long as the total pathway for the other two, then merge that into a final single exit. It's bound to be interesting, and if it doesn't sound good, you could simply switch the pairings back to 1-2/3-4 and get classic subie rumble since the only thing you would've lengthened is the second section.
@@HatersGarage So I'm not sure if the physics affects it linearly(IE add 10% so it's now 50/60) or asymmetrically/compoundingly(IE MOVE 10% so it's now 40/60), but I have a percentage number for both scenarios to potentially fabricate the "perfect" UEL based on my preferences for various cross-plane twin and V4 sounds. If it's compounding, then having the total pathway of one-half of the UEL (before the merge back into single) be 58.5% longer than the other half should give it a 285-degree delay. If it's linear, then just double that number to 117% longer.
With sequential pairing, 1+2 & 3+4 or 1+3 & 2+4, If my theory/guess is right, if you put a resonator/mid-muffler on just one of the bank you'll get a subaru uel-header sound or much closer to a subaru uel-header sound if it's already sounds like Subaru before and if you join the bank or making it to single ended after "what i just said above" You'll get even more closer to a subaru uel-header sound
Here's the other experiment videos
True Dual: ruclips.net/video/yf2zUBb_AtE/видео.html
X-Pipe: ruclips.net/video/uI-Pl7vCQBU/видео.html
H-Pipe: ruclips.net/video/hVKnvvYLDCE/видео.html
True Quad: ruclips.net/video/peDOTCkcLJc/видео.html
Hello ...cool videos... you could try a triple exhaust (ferrari f40-ish look) with cyl 1and2 on one pipe then 3and4 on 2 seperate pipe ...just for sound/science curiosity
Thank you for being straight to the point and not dragging that out for 18 1/2 minutes
Super rare to see a RUclips video that isn't 30 minutes long these days
Right?! That is exactly the length too. It must be a minimum for some sort of money making feature. Who knows.
I went through a youtube rabbit hole of x-pipes and various exhaust stuff, and suddenly I wondered if anyone had ever done this with an inline 4 engine. Now I have all the answers I needed, thank you for doing these experiments.
whats your conclusion?
Back in the ages of hot rod mags there was a brief blip on a traditional hotrodder that put true duals on his inline-4 ....Harley-like was described ...early 90s I think . Does make a supercharged miata seem appealing now .
Loving the goofy exhaust set ups, even if they're not "ideal" who cares, it's a unique sound and I'm digging the experimentation. I definitely prefer the 1-2 3-4 pairing
I have to agree it's intriguing to get a Harley sound from a 4 cylinder. Now the question is did Sir Hater have any performance differences between the exhaust pulse designs?
@@afroswagon3794 looked like the 1-4 3-2 had more power in the high rev range. Rpm seemed like it was ramping up faster.
@@afroswagon3794for the Harley sound you’d want to have the 1-2 & 3-4 pairing and one side’s exhaust pipe being longer than the other.
Finally a youtuber making videos right to the point
I've got something fun for ya. Grab yourself an 8-1 collector. Run each cylinder a length of primary, whatever you need to fit. at the end of that primary you Y each off. So cylinder 1: say 12" of primary "Y" and 1 leg of that Y, we'll call it 1Y(a) is whatever the minimum length you need to get it into a merge (keep it short because you have to add this length to the other leg plus the following. Then 1Y(b) is whatever 1Y(a) is + 35-36" of pipe. to merge it into that collector. Depending on EGT we'll call it 1100 F, at 5500 RPM, the car could sound like a flat plane V8 with an 8-1 collector.
This is assuming all of the diameter of the primaries and their legs are the same ID. Sounds crazy, but it's crazy so that it'll actually sound crazy. You may or may not have heard this here first. Just experiment with stacking loops of long radius 90's to fit it against the firewall. :)
It's hard to predict what the EGT's will be in each primary, the hotter the exhaust gets the higher the RPM will have to be to get the intervals to work. For instance, at that extra 36" on each of the legs, on a cold header or part throttle (lower egt) it might sound like a flat plane 8-1 at 4950 rpm instead.
I would probably have to stick all of that out of the hood to make it fit, lol. I would like to design an exhaust for the highest pitch possible, I need to do some homework on that. It would help if I had an engine that revved higher. I have my E30, that's pretty high pitched as it is.
@@HatersGarage for sure. But honestly, you should give this a go.
@@HatersGarage doit
@@HatersGarage dewit
Too simple. 12-1 flat plane 12 cylinder setup ftw
Love it. You could play with runner length next to go from racecar to subaru.
I could. I'd like to make a deliberately high pitched and/or low pitched system
Please do.. we will all wait with anticipation 😅
Besides runner length you could add cubes ....like vortec 2900 cubes
@@HatersGarage merge angle has a big effect on pitch from what ive heard, the higher merge engle thehigher the pitch
I love what your doing and showing the different results. I've wanted to for a long time make 4 individual exhausts just to see what it sounds like
I love this. As a fellow exhaust junkie, I applaud your work and tests.
Every time you upload, it feels like dad coming back home with the milk 🥹
Thats it, im commenting to boost your videos every time you upload, the quality of your videos deserves more recognition
...This is what the Founding Fathers intended.
"Fourscore and Twenty BRAP-AP-AP-AP-APs ago..."
You have definitely found a nice niche, I love it.
Thanks!
Im ready to see a true quad
Thanks, totally doing the true quad. Not sure when though, got some projects ahead of that.
@@HatersGaragebro best idea we need this
@@kirama5435 Working on it
Man every eco boost owner should do this. Focus or mustang whatever this sounds so much better than most 4 cyl
Thank you for testing these configurations for us. Your awesome
Would like to see these pairs in UEL for subaru sound. The pairings are the same but runner 1 and 3 are short, 2 and 4 are longer/do a loop before they merge to their respective pair, that's what i want to make for my car. Love this content it needs more views and subs!
I can do that, I would probably make an extreme version of it.
@@HatersGarage I found a really crazy sounding UEL 4 cylinder on youtube and its the only one of its kind for the car. Look up "UEL civic aka honda wrx" its the black civic si with a k20 i dont know if its already too similar to the previous one you made and if its just the k series sound that makes it different but i always laugh when i hear that video. Sounds like an old v8
@@repingers9777 Does sound very similar to the Subaru. If I do make a UEL video I'll have to find a way to make it different, since it's already been done on RUclips a lot.
@@HatersGarage thats true i think the way they did it was just go crazy and make the long runners as long as possible and the short ones shorter. Which is definitely a disaster for that engines performance and health which relys on really good flow at 8000rpm to make anypower 🤣
I'm on a binge of your videos right now. It made me happy to see how you keep trying the random suggestions your viewers provide.
I like the old one lol! Had a unique sound for sure!
This is some high quality content, suprised this is the amount of views you have
I just watched all these exhaust videos and it’s an easy subscribe for me. Missing the nugget on this video.
Yeah the nugget didn't make an appearance. I always put your name down when I order food, lol
Your zoomies i think were the best and most distinct. God's work here.
I truly wish that aftermarket car companies will do this for exhaust headers on 4 cylinders
I'm so glad this channel popped up on my feed. Great video's!
I appreciate these short vids, ace
Crazy how much we think alike. I’ve wanted to do all these exact same ideas for awhile
This man is doing gods work saving us money by showing what these changes do before we try it out ourselves
Your channel just popped up "true quad exhaust" i won't lie i was watching an Adam LZ's video but i havoured over your video until I was done with Adam's video and now am binge watching every video and i like them all😂😂😂😂😂❤❤❤❤❤
After you showed the cylinder pairing, it made sense why I was getting cross plane V8 vibes with the first one, with the irregular exhaust pulses. That arrangement sounded much, much better than the fart-trumpet second design, although the second almost certainly made more power.
subscribed, looking forward to the quad exhaust video i'm about to watch
Your channel deserves so much more
Very cool! This was such a great idea to test out. You should try different metals as well
Alfa Romeo twinspark headers are like the 2nd option from factory they look funky
I enjoy your videos. I am subscribing.
Just got the header in for my ka24e swapped ranger and already started cutting it up to run duals.
post a video when its done!
You should try 1in pipe vs 4in pipe after the headers
You should put a different style of muffler on each pair. See if you can get some weird harmonics.
Now you need to do true 4 exhauste!! Having the same length! That would be awesome
loving the sound of this. sounds more "on purpose" and meant to be there
Hot damn,
You have made me so proud
Great sound on this one…mellow but with authority.
It sounds happiest with the even pulse to me.
Dude... This is awesome content
Hey man. In Japan they have dekotora trucks. 3 cyl exhaust go to a muffler that produces whistles and 1 exhaust have straight pipe.
I wonder how it would sound like on a 4 cyl petrol. Please do a vid 🙂
Babe, wake up, Hater's Garage just uploaded-
Great job and great video. Which design have you used for H-pipe testing, old or new one?
Bro makes some damn good content.
Hmmm... the 1-2, 3-4 paring is my fave still... Then the H pipe I think. I'm actually shocked how much of a difference it makes!
i love the postal 2 map muzika in the background
thank you for the info!
this thing looks like so much fun to drive
I need this for my civic!
You should make 6 or 8 outlets from this true duals. Add some extra random length pipes coming out of the main duals from a y to the exhaust to see if it makes it sound like there are more cylinders than 4.
This video makes me want to go out and drive.
Love my inline 4's, they are so violently slow.
the xpipe sounded pretty wild
Funny: (almost) all four bangers in this world have 1-4 & 2-3 paired (because it is the best configuration).
Very surpriced to see this 1-2 & 3-4 set up showing up as a standard configuration. 🙂
i like the sound of the off balance one more but my brain tells me the sound from the new design is better overall. neat!
hi would try using megaphone exhaust tips. will they make it different?
Try merging the new header set up into a single pipe right before the end. That should smooth out the sound a bit.
sounds better i think
the 1-2,3-4 has charm for sure though
I like the sound of the previous configuration best. No X, No H. Great vids!
Now make a tune able exhaust. Like a trombone.. Something where you can slide one pipe over another to change collector length at will. Perhaps with a "shifter lever" approach, just move the lever back or forth. Short length for high rpms and long for low end torque.
try 1&3-2&4 i got it on my lancer and it sounds insane
you should have way more subs and veiws my guy!❤
Agreed! Very good and to the point.
Now I know. This is probably the heqder setup to combine with an H pipe instead of the X pipe. Might chop up that sound a bit more and bring it closer to the unique sound from before with the better flow of the 1-4 2-3
I wonder how that effects horsepowers.
How long are the primaries?
That system makes sense to me. Both have 360° firing seperation.
They made these cool true dual Headers that peaple put on ecotech swaped fieros. There strangely hard to find and I only found them spesificly sold for Cavaliers
Now you gotta do the X and H with the new header lol
I like the old design the most 👍
The world will be better for it. Thank you
What would this header sounds like with the x-pipe?
Subbing over the video getting right to it
Interesting. I knew changing which cylinders flow through which pipes would change the sound somewhat. Doing some research for someone who wants an unique exhaust sound for their V6. So far I'm recommending a 6-into-1 with 180-degree headers, but I wonder if altering the sequence in which each is collected would alter the exhaust note.
With a 6-1 I don't imagine the sequence will change much since they're all going to the same pipe.
@HatersGarage Maybe, but perhaps a 6-3-1, or 6-2-1. Especially if you got creative by intertwining the headers into a common assembly. Also, there are different routings of header pipe that can affect the sound as well.
@@HatersGarage Equal length headers to 6 to 1.
want to see the headers plus the h pipe!
Harley sound was TOPS
Do a true quad next!
The stock one sounds more throaty, it's the best option for me
Im curious if firing was L L R R would it sound more V twin like?
would you consider comparing a normal 4-1 header to a stepped 4-1 header?
What about 1-3/2-4? and what about putting an x-pipe and an h-pipe on both this setup, and the 1-3/2-4 setups?
From watching a lot of exhaust videos, and putting a lot of exhausts on cars, it seems the less efficient, the better sounding is the rule lol
I saw your original video and was about to ask about this when I saw you'd already done it. Have you seen the 03-06 Kawasaki Z1000? They sound similar to the original dual (albeit revving higher). Very interesting experiments.
I wonder what a dyno would reveal about the various configurations as it has to affect backpressure, scavenging etc.
So now, what if you go back to the X pipe with the new headers?
but what if you make 1-2 header straightpipe and 3-4 header with muffler?
Put a glasspack /resonator on one side it will change the tone make it more rumbly without disrupting the flow
Well done. Good job proving the idiots wrong man. I’m going to mod my Exhaust now!
compare both headers with each type of piping like the x pipe or the h pipe
That sounds better
I'm sure the new design is better for power, but the old design just sounded so... unique!
Could you try shortening cylinder 2 runner by 50% and lengthening cylinder 4 by 50% in relation to (and keeping) standard cylinder 1 and 3 runners? This could mimic a yamaha R1 crossplane sound
Yeah it does. Sounds more powerful and seamless, because it is. Forget the V-8 rumbly noise, go for power and scavenging.
You forgot to make the 1-4/2-3 UEL! But either way, thanks for the upload. I guess it took longer to edit than you thought, huh? Anyway, if/when you go for this pairing with UEL, make it so the overall travel distance before the X, H, or Y pipe is roughly 2x compared to the other side. So from the exhaust port to the final merge (so before AND after the 4-2 merge total) is 2x the other side. 2x is the typical UEL ratio, as far as I understand it.
I'm either going to make some unequal length headers or lengthen both sides for some long tubes.
@@HatersGarage I feel like these are long tube enough for the powerband that car works in, especially if you make them merge back into 1 like the 4-2-1 is supposed to. If my opinion affects things at all, I say do the UEL with the 1-4/2-3 pairs by making the first merge section longer.
Just loop it up and around until the total pathway is roughly 2x as long as the total pathway for the other two, then merge that into a final single exit. It's bound to be interesting, and if it doesn't sound good, you could simply switch the pairings back to 1-2/3-4 and get classic subie rumble since the only thing you would've lengthened is the second section.
@@HatersGarage So I'm not sure if the physics affects it linearly(IE add 10% so it's now 50/60) or asymmetrically/compoundingly(IE MOVE 10% so it's now 40/60), but I have a percentage number for both scenarios to potentially fabricate the "perfect" UEL based on my preferences for various cross-plane twin and V4 sounds. If it's compounding, then having the total pathway of one-half of the UEL (before the merge back into single) be 58.5% longer than the other half should give it a 285-degree delay. If it's linear, then just double that number to 117% longer.
Did this still have the X pipe installed or was it with full "true duals"?
Which one pulled harder?
Look3d like this one.
Does this one have the H pipe still or no crossover?
With sequential pairing, 1+2 & 3+4 or 1+3 & 2+4, If my theory/guess is right, if you put a resonator/mid-muffler on just one of the bank you'll get a subaru uel-header sound or much closer to a subaru uel-header sound if it's already sounds like Subaru before
and if you join the bank or making it to single ended after "what i just said above" You'll get even more closer to a subaru uel-header sound
first setup definitely sounds way better
the new header setup seems better. Besides Honda did it with some of their sports bikes in the 80s & 90s (CBX 550)
This is the difference you get from even length headers and uel headers in a brz/86