Changing the Header Pairing on the True Dual Exhaust 4 Cylinder - Will it Sound Different?

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  • @HatersGarage
    @HatersGarage  Месяц назад +6

    Here's the other experiment videos
    True Dual: ruclips.net/video/yf2zUBb_AtE/видео.html
    X-Pipe: ruclips.net/video/uI-Pl7vCQBU/видео.html
    H-Pipe: ruclips.net/video/hVKnvvYLDCE/видео.html
    True Quad: ruclips.net/video/peDOTCkcLJc/видео.html

    • @AlexxxZ-k4ko
      @AlexxxZ-k4ko 3 дня назад

      Hello ...cool videos... you could try a triple exhaust (ferrari f40-ish look) with cyl 1and2 on one pipe then 3and4 on 2 seperate pipe ...just for sound/science curiosity

  • @no-damn-alias
    @no-damn-alias 6 месяцев назад +517

    Thank you for being straight to the point and not dragging that out for 18 1/2 minutes

    • @tehgzizlauw1787
      @tehgzizlauw1787 5 месяцев назад +14

      Super rare to see a RUclips video that isn't 30 minutes long these days

    • @MrLandslide84
      @MrLandslide84 5 месяцев назад +3

      Right?! That is exactly the length too. It must be a minimum for some sort of money making feature. Who knows.

  • @ZeugmaP
    @ZeugmaP 10 месяцев назад +499

    I went through a youtube rabbit hole of x-pipes and various exhaust stuff, and suddenly I wondered if anyone had ever done this with an inline 4 engine. Now I have all the answers I needed, thank you for doing these experiments.

    • @glasscannon4723
      @glasscannon4723 9 месяцев назад

      whats your conclusion?

    • @garnerblair5179
      @garnerblair5179 6 месяцев назад +1

      Back in the ages of hot rod mags there was a brief blip on a traditional hotrodder that put true duals on his inline-4 ....Harley-like was described ...early 90s I think . Does make a supercharged miata seem appealing now .

  • @LilPeener
    @LilPeener 10 месяцев назад +403

    Loving the goofy exhaust set ups, even if they're not "ideal" who cares, it's a unique sound and I'm digging the experimentation. I definitely prefer the 1-2 3-4 pairing

    • @afroswagon3794
      @afroswagon3794 10 месяцев назад +9

      I have to agree it's intriguing to get a Harley sound from a 4 cylinder. Now the question is did Sir Hater have any performance differences between the exhaust pulse designs?

    • @Blade_of_Violet_Chaos
      @Blade_of_Violet_Chaos 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@afroswagon3794 looked like the 1-4 3-2 had more power in the high rev range. Rpm seemed like it was ramping up faster.

    • @muaythai193
      @muaythai193 5 месяцев назад +2

      @@afroswagon3794for the Harley sound you’d want to have the 1-2 & 3-4 pairing and one side’s exhaust pipe being longer than the other.

  • @skip0110
    @skip0110 6 месяцев назад +80

    Finally a youtuber making videos right to the point

  • @Christdeliverme
    @Christdeliverme 9 месяцев назад +42

    I've got something fun for ya. Grab yourself an 8-1 collector. Run each cylinder a length of primary, whatever you need to fit. at the end of that primary you Y each off. So cylinder 1: say 12" of primary "Y" and 1 leg of that Y, we'll call it 1Y(a) is whatever the minimum length you need to get it into a merge (keep it short because you have to add this length to the other leg plus the following. Then 1Y(b) is whatever 1Y(a) is + 35-36" of pipe. to merge it into that collector. Depending on EGT we'll call it 1100 F, at 5500 RPM, the car could sound like a flat plane V8 with an 8-1 collector.
    This is assuming all of the diameter of the primaries and their legs are the same ID. Sounds crazy, but it's crazy so that it'll actually sound crazy. You may or may not have heard this here first. Just experiment with stacking loops of long radius 90's to fit it against the firewall. :)
    It's hard to predict what the EGT's will be in each primary, the hotter the exhaust gets the higher the RPM will have to be to get the intervals to work. For instance, at that extra 36" on each of the legs, on a cold header or part throttle (lower egt) it might sound like a flat plane 8-1 at 4950 rpm instead.

    • @HatersGarage
      @HatersGarage  9 месяцев назад +12

      I would probably have to stick all of that out of the hood to make it fit, lol. I would like to design an exhaust for the highest pitch possible, I need to do some homework on that. It would help if I had an engine that revved higher. I have my E30, that's pretty high pitched as it is.

    • @Christdeliverme
      @Christdeliverme 9 месяцев назад +1

      @@HatersGarage for sure. But honestly, you should give this a go.

    • @Toxic2T
      @Toxic2T 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@HatersGarage doit

    • @ikbendusan
      @ikbendusan 6 месяцев назад

      @@HatersGarage dewit

    • @ezdeezytube
      @ezdeezytube 5 месяцев назад

      Too simple. 12-1 flat plane 12 cylinder setup ftw

  • @nobodynoone2500
    @nobodynoone2500 10 месяцев назад +49

    Love it. You could play with runner length next to go from racecar to subaru.

    • @HatersGarage
      @HatersGarage  10 месяцев назад +26

      I could. I'd like to make a deliberately high pitched and/or low pitched system

    • @kxlxv2137
      @kxlxv2137 6 месяцев назад +2

      Please do.. we will all wait with anticipation 😅

    • @garnerblair5179
      @garnerblair5179 6 месяцев назад

      Besides runner length you could add cubes ....like vortec 2900 cubes

    • @Its_PieRat
      @Its_PieRat 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@HatersGarage merge angle has a big effect on pitch from what ive heard, the higher merge engle thehigher the pitch

  • @mr_mon-eye
    @mr_mon-eye 9 месяцев назад +21

    I love what your doing and showing the different results. I've wanted to for a long time make 4 individual exhausts just to see what it sounds like

  • @smartcookie3500
    @smartcookie3500 7 месяцев назад +7

    I love this. As a fellow exhaust junkie, I applaud your work and tests.

  • @dannyloughman
    @dannyloughman 10 месяцев назад +16

    Every time you upload, it feels like dad coming back home with the milk 🥹

  • @jash6348
    @jash6348 9 месяцев назад +9

    Thats it, im commenting to boost your videos every time you upload, the quality of your videos deserves more recognition

  • @floydarrendelo6414
    @floydarrendelo6414 10 месяцев назад +83

    ...This is what the Founding Fathers intended.
    "Fourscore and Twenty BRAP-AP-AP-AP-APs ago..."

  • @Kvant925
    @Kvant925 10 месяцев назад +10

    You have definitely found a nice niche, I love it.

  • @CJKIII
    @CJKIII 9 месяцев назад +19

    Thanks!
    Im ready to see a true quad

    • @HatersGarage
      @HatersGarage  9 месяцев назад +5

      Thanks, totally doing the true quad. Not sure when though, got some projects ahead of that.

    • @kirama5435
      @kirama5435 6 месяцев назад +2

      @@HatersGaragebro best idea we need this

    • @HatersGarage
      @HatersGarage  6 месяцев назад +2

      @@kirama5435 Working on it

  • @MURD3R3D
    @MURD3R3D Месяц назад +1

    Man every eco boost owner should do this. Focus or mustang whatever this sounds so much better than most 4 cyl

  • @jonathonmonroe603
    @jonathonmonroe603 6 месяцев назад

    Thank you for testing these configurations for us. Your awesome

  • @yeeboi727
    @yeeboi727 10 месяцев назад +56

    Would like to see these pairs in UEL for subaru sound. The pairings are the same but runner 1 and 3 are short, 2 and 4 are longer/do a loop before they merge to their respective pair, that's what i want to make for my car. Love this content it needs more views and subs!

    • @HatersGarage
      @HatersGarage  10 месяцев назад +26

      I can do that, I would probably make an extreme version of it.

    • @repingers9777
      @repingers9777 6 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@HatersGarage​ I found a really crazy sounding UEL 4 cylinder on youtube and its the only one of its kind for the car. Look up "UEL civic aka honda wrx" its the black civic si with a k20 i dont know if its already too similar to the previous one you made and if its just the k series sound that makes it different but i always laugh when i hear that video. Sounds like an old v8

    • @HatersGarage
      @HatersGarage  6 месяцев назад +4

      @@repingers9777 Does sound very similar to the Subaru. If I do make a UEL video I'll have to find a way to make it different, since it's already been done on RUclips a lot.

    • @repingers9777
      @repingers9777 6 месяцев назад

      @@HatersGarage thats true i think the way they did it was just go crazy and make the long runners as long as possible and the short ones shorter. Which is definitely a disaster for that engines performance and health which relys on really good flow at 8000rpm to make anypower 🤣

  • @realSethMeyers
    @realSethMeyers 6 месяцев назад

    I'm on a binge of your videos right now. It made me happy to see how you keep trying the random suggestions your viewers provide.

  • @VNTIL8TR
    @VNTIL8TR 5 месяцев назад +2

    I like the old one lol! Had a unique sound for sure!

  • @apg4gearhead
    @apg4gearhead 10 месяцев назад +3

    This is some high quality content, suprised this is the amount of views you have

  • @mikehawk5466
    @mikehawk5466 9 месяцев назад +4

    I just watched all these exhaust videos and it’s an easy subscribe for me. Missing the nugget on this video.

    • @HatersGarage
      @HatersGarage  9 месяцев назад +1

      Yeah the nugget didn't make an appearance. I always put your name down when I order food, lol

  • @bjperez9076
    @bjperez9076 6 месяцев назад

    Your zoomies i think were the best and most distinct. God's work here.

  • @KrOnIc343
    @KrOnIc343 8 месяцев назад +5

    I truly wish that aftermarket car companies will do this for exhaust headers on 4 cylinders

  • @EMDSD14R
    @EMDSD14R 6 месяцев назад

    I'm so glad this channel popped up on my feed. Great video's!

  • @banned.account
    @banned.account 5 месяцев назад

    I appreciate these short vids, ace

  • @anthonycastelli9853
    @anthonycastelli9853 6 месяцев назад

    Crazy how much we think alike. I’ve wanted to do all these exact same ideas for awhile

  • @theilluminatimember8896
    @theilluminatimember8896 5 месяцев назад

    This man is doing gods work saving us money by showing what these changes do before we try it out ourselves

  • @bernardTk
    @bernardTk 6 месяцев назад +1

    Your channel just popped up "true quad exhaust" i won't lie i was watching an Adam LZ's video but i havoured over your video until I was done with Adam's video and now am binge watching every video and i like them all😂😂😂😂😂❤❤❤❤❤

  • @ramseycattn5941
    @ramseycattn5941 5 месяцев назад +1

    After you showed the cylinder pairing, it made sense why I was getting cross plane V8 vibes with the first one, with the irregular exhaust pulses. That arrangement sounded much, much better than the fart-trumpet second design, although the second almost certainly made more power.

  • @john_barnett
    @john_barnett 6 месяцев назад

    subscribed, looking forward to the quad exhaust video i'm about to watch

  • @justliech3948
    @justliech3948 4 месяца назад

    Your channel deserves so much more

  • @thewolverine_9358
    @thewolverine_9358 Месяц назад

    Very cool! This was such a great idea to test out. You should try different metals as well

  • @FOXeye95
    @FOXeye95 6 месяцев назад +1

    Alfa Romeo twinspark headers are like the 2nd option from factory they look funky

  • @user-xn2rn4xy3v
    @user-xn2rn4xy3v 9 месяцев назад

    I enjoy your videos. I am subscribing.

  • @GarrettBoddie90
    @GarrettBoddie90 10 месяцев назад +2

    Just got the header in for my ka24e swapped ranger and already started cutting it up to run duals.

  • @sim6057138
    @sim6057138 10 месяцев назад +3

    You should try 1in pipe vs 4in pipe after the headers

  • @vintageyamahasquid
    @vintageyamahasquid 9 месяцев назад +4

    You should put a different style of muffler on each pair. See if you can get some weird harmonics.

  • @MrBearTuga
    @MrBearTuga 5 месяцев назад

    Now you need to do true 4 exhauste!! Having the same length! That would be awesome

  • @thepluraloftiger
    @thepluraloftiger 5 месяцев назад

    loving the sound of this. sounds more "on purpose" and meant to be there

  • @kccarranza2750
    @kccarranza2750 10 месяцев назад +1

    Hot damn,
    You have made me so proud

  • @paulschmolke188
    @paulschmolke188 4 месяца назад

    Great sound on this one…mellow but with authority.

  • @kodylodovico272
    @kodylodovico272 6 месяцев назад

    It sounds happiest with the even pulse to me.

  • @benm8973
    @benm8973 6 месяцев назад

    Dude... This is awesome content

  • @yoojin232
    @yoojin232 9 месяцев назад +3

    Hey man. In Japan they have dekotora trucks. 3 cyl exhaust go to a muffler that produces whistles and 1 exhaust have straight pipe.
    I wonder how it would sound like on a 4 cyl petrol. Please do a vid 🙂

  • @riogrande163
    @riogrande163 10 месяцев назад +49

    Babe, wake up, Hater's Garage just uploaded-

  • @Jakub_Andrzejewski
    @Jakub_Andrzejewski 5 месяцев назад

    Great job and great video. Which design have you used for H-pipe testing, old or new one?

  • @mskates9805
    @mskates9805 5 месяцев назад

    Bro makes some damn good content.

  • @lvcsslacker
    @lvcsslacker 6 месяцев назад +1

    Hmmm... the 1-2, 3-4 paring is my fave still... Then the H pipe I think. I'm actually shocked how much of a difference it makes!

  • @dingo-gorditas
    @dingo-gorditas 8 месяцев назад

    i love the postal 2 map muzika in the background

  • @user-Arthxeking777
    @user-Arthxeking777 6 месяцев назад

    thank you for the info!

  • @Benny-js2gv
    @Benny-js2gv 5 месяцев назад

    this thing looks like so much fun to drive

  • @mattfinley2402
    @mattfinley2402 Месяц назад

    I need this for my civic!

  • @HankeyMountainGarage
    @HankeyMountainGarage 5 месяцев назад

    You should make 6 or 8 outlets from this true duals. Add some extra random length pipes coming out of the main duals from a y to the exhaust to see if it makes it sound like there are more cylinders than 4.

  • @howieewalt1322
    @howieewalt1322 5 месяцев назад

    This video makes me want to go out and drive.
    Love my inline 4's, they are so violently slow.

  • @dh123ize
    @dh123ize 5 месяцев назад

    the xpipe sounded pretty wild

  • @CarLos-yi7ne
    @CarLos-yi7ne 5 месяцев назад +1

    Funny: (almost) all four bangers in this world have 1-4 & 2-3 paired (because it is the best configuration).
    Very surpriced to see this 1-2 & 3-4 set up showing up as a standard configuration. 🙂

  • @tslim250
    @tslim250 Месяц назад

    i like the sound of the off balance one more but my brain tells me the sound from the new design is better overall. neat!

  • @henryjohn2218
    @henryjohn2218 10 месяцев назад +1

    hi would try using megaphone exhaust tips. will they make it different?

  • @Sprocketsbikes
    @Sprocketsbikes 6 месяцев назад

    Try merging the new header set up into a single pipe right before the end. That should smooth out the sound a bit.

  • @Shalami
    @Shalami 3 месяца назад

    sounds better i think
    the 1-2,3-4 has charm for sure though

  • @tylerpripps4969
    @tylerpripps4969 5 месяцев назад +4

    I like the sound of the previous configuration best. No X, No H. Great vids!

  • @mikegoodman447
    @mikegoodman447 Месяц назад

    Now make a tune able exhaust. Like a trombone.. Something where you can slide one pipe over another to change collector length at will. Perhaps with a "shifter lever" approach, just move the lever back or forth. Short length for high rpms and long for low end torque.

  • @THE-UNKNOWN_7163
    @THE-UNKNOWN_7163 4 месяца назад

    try 1&3-2&4 i got it on my lancer and it sounds insane

  • @user-Arthxeking777
    @user-Arthxeking777 6 месяцев назад

    you should have way more subs and veiws my guy!❤

  • @Blade_of_Violet_Chaos
    @Blade_of_Violet_Chaos 6 месяцев назад

    Now I know. This is probably the heqder setup to combine with an H pipe instead of the X pipe. Might chop up that sound a bit more and bring it closer to the unique sound from before with the better flow of the 1-4 2-3

  • @Iowa599
    @Iowa599 6 месяцев назад +1

    I wonder how that effects horsepowers.
    How long are the primaries?
    That system makes sense to me. Both have 360° firing seperation.

  • @putinslittlehacker4793
    @putinslittlehacker4793 8 месяцев назад

    They made these cool true dual Headers that peaple put on ecotech swaped fieros. There strangely hard to find and I only found them spesificly sold for Cavaliers

  • @a_monkie
    @a_monkie 8 месяцев назад

    Now you gotta do the X and H with the new header lol

  • @pb223
    @pb223 2 месяца назад

    I like the old design the most 👍

  • @gr8ys
    @gr8ys 6 месяцев назад

    The world will be better for it. Thank you

  • @imadude85
    @imadude85 6 месяцев назад +2

    What would this header sounds like with the x-pipe?

  • @TheOGstriker
    @TheOGstriker 2 месяца назад

    Subbing over the video getting right to it

  • @anonymousinc6330
    @anonymousinc6330 9 месяцев назад +3

    Interesting. I knew changing which cylinders flow through which pipes would change the sound somewhat. Doing some research for someone who wants an unique exhaust sound for their V6. So far I'm recommending a 6-into-1 with 180-degree headers, but I wonder if altering the sequence in which each is collected would alter the exhaust note.

    • @HatersGarage
      @HatersGarage  9 месяцев назад +3

      With a 6-1 I don't imagine the sequence will change much since they're all going to the same pipe.

    • @anonymousinc6330
      @anonymousinc6330 9 месяцев назад

      @HatersGarage Maybe, but perhaps a 6-3-1, or 6-2-1. Especially if you got creative by intertwining the headers into a common assembly. Also, there are different routings of header pipe that can affect the sound as well.

    • @rapiststan5272
      @rapiststan5272 6 месяцев назад

      ​​@@HatersGarage Equal length headers to 6 to 1.

  • @nigga7387
    @nigga7387 9 месяцев назад

    want to see the headers plus the h pipe!

  • @gunsbeersmemes
    @gunsbeersmemes 8 месяцев назад

    Harley sound was TOPS

  • @meza013
    @meza013 8 месяцев назад

    Do a true quad next!

  • @guillaumejoop6437
    @guillaumejoop6437 5 месяцев назад

    The stock one sounds more throaty, it's the best option for me

  • @joshmiller7870
    @joshmiller7870 6 месяцев назад

    Im curious if firing was L L R R would it sound more V twin like?

  • @alessiocarlevaro6934
    @alessiocarlevaro6934 8 дней назад

    would you consider comparing a normal 4-1 header to a stepped 4-1 header?

  • @hypershadow5g
    @hypershadow5g 6 месяцев назад

    What about 1-3/2-4? and what about putting an x-pipe and an h-pipe on both this setup, and the 1-3/2-4 setups?

  • @Camarosindahood
    @Camarosindahood 6 месяцев назад

    From watching a lot of exhaust videos, and putting a lot of exhausts on cars, it seems the less efficient, the better sounding is the rule lol

  • @timorgano
    @timorgano 6 месяцев назад

    I saw your original video and was about to ask about this when I saw you'd already done it. Have you seen the 03-06 Kawasaki Z1000? They sound similar to the original dual (albeit revving higher). Very interesting experiments.

  • @consentofthegoverned5145
    @consentofthegoverned5145 День назад

    I wonder what a dyno would reveal about the various configurations as it has to affect backpressure, scavenging etc.

  • @Samualninja
    @Samualninja 5 месяцев назад

    So now, what if you go back to the X pipe with the new headers?

  • @gf4311
    @gf4311 5 месяцев назад

    but what if you make 1-2 header straightpipe and 3-4 header with muffler?

  • @ChrisHiler4EG63T
    @ChrisHiler4EG63T 2 месяца назад

    Put a glasspack /resonator on one side it will change the tone make it more rumbly without disrupting the flow

  • @ianfairbanks1318
    @ianfairbanks1318 5 месяцев назад

    Well done. Good job proving the idiots wrong man. I’m going to mod my Exhaust now!

  • @cyaxnidee
    @cyaxnidee 5 месяцев назад

    compare both headers with each type of piping like the x pipe or the h pipe

  • @eddie_cooper
    @eddie_cooper Месяц назад

    That sounds better

  • @aaron71
    @aaron71 5 месяцев назад

    I'm sure the new design is better for power, but the old design just sounded so... unique!

  • @Cigaristocat
    @Cigaristocat 18 дней назад

    Could you try shortening cylinder 2 runner by 50% and lengthening cylinder 4 by 50% in relation to (and keeping) standard cylinder 1 and 3 runners? This could mimic a yamaha R1 crossplane sound

  • @BigElCat
    @BigElCat 6 месяцев назад

    Yeah it does. Sounds more powerful and seamless, because it is. Forget the V-8 rumbly noise, go for power and scavenging.

  • @Drunken_Hamster
    @Drunken_Hamster 10 месяцев назад +2

    You forgot to make the 1-4/2-3 UEL! But either way, thanks for the upload. I guess it took longer to edit than you thought, huh? Anyway, if/when you go for this pairing with UEL, make it so the overall travel distance before the X, H, or Y pipe is roughly 2x compared to the other side. So from the exhaust port to the final merge (so before AND after the 4-2 merge total) is 2x the other side. 2x is the typical UEL ratio, as far as I understand it.

    • @HatersGarage
      @HatersGarage  10 месяцев назад +4

      I'm either going to make some unequal length headers or lengthen both sides for some long tubes.

    • @Drunken_Hamster
      @Drunken_Hamster 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@HatersGarage I feel like these are long tube enough for the powerband that car works in, especially if you make them merge back into 1 like the 4-2-1 is supposed to. If my opinion affects things at all, I say do the UEL with the 1-4/2-3 pairs by making the first merge section longer.
      Just loop it up and around until the total pathway is roughly 2x as long as the total pathway for the other two, then merge that into a final single exit. It's bound to be interesting, and if it doesn't sound good, you could simply switch the pairings back to 1-2/3-4 and get classic subie rumble since the only thing you would've lengthened is the second section.

    • @Drunken_Hamster
      @Drunken_Hamster 2 месяца назад

      @@HatersGarage So I'm not sure if the physics affects it linearly(IE add 10% so it's now 50/60) or asymmetrically/compoundingly(IE MOVE 10% so it's now 40/60), but I have a percentage number for both scenarios to potentially fabricate the "perfect" UEL based on my preferences for various cross-plane twin and V4 sounds. If it's compounding, then having the total pathway of one-half of the UEL (before the merge back into single) be 58.5% longer than the other half should give it a 285-degree delay. If it's linear, then just double that number to 117% longer.

  • @turbomini89
    @turbomini89 4 месяца назад

    Did this still have the X pipe installed or was it with full "true duals"?

  • @Mephistopholies
    @Mephistopholies 6 месяцев назад

    Which one pulled harder?
    Look3d like this one.

  • @black99rt
    @black99rt 5 месяцев назад

    Does this one have the H pipe still or no crossover?

  • @ardhifarhan4821
    @ardhifarhan4821 5 месяцев назад

    With sequential pairing, 1+2 & 3+4 or 1+3 & 2+4, If my theory/guess is right, if you put a resonator/mid-muffler on just one of the bank you'll get a subaru uel-header sound or much closer to a subaru uel-header sound if it's already sounds like Subaru before
    and if you join the bank or making it to single ended after "what i just said above" You'll get even more closer to a subaru uel-header sound

  • @peerless8967
    @peerless8967 6 месяцев назад

    first setup definitely sounds way better

  • @kathrynwhitby9799
    @kathrynwhitby9799 6 месяцев назад

    the new header setup seems better. Besides Honda did it with some of their sports bikes in the 80s & 90s (CBX 550)

  • @NightOwl2015
    @NightOwl2015 6 месяцев назад

    This is the difference you get from even length headers and uel headers in a brz/86