Trains idle for hours, days at a time, releasing fumes, residents say
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- River Forest residents say Union Pacific freight trains idle by their homes for hours, even days, at a time, releasing diesel fumes. FULL STORY: abc7chicago.co...
Chicago area=railroad capital of the world.
Agreed
Bunch of Karen's. Move next to railroad that has been their for over a 150 years and complain.
not a valid argument
@@Belleville197keep defending those idiots 😂
@@Thatonerandomguy1331 Gladly. A train stopped and idling for a couple of hours is one thing, but idling for many hours and days in a residential area is a big no no. If they were complaining about passing trains and train horns, I'd have little to no sympathy for them, but idling locomotives in summer, especially EMD two stroke engines, for days at a time, is bad railroading. What's going on? Not enough available crews? Yard congested? That's the railroad's responsibility to remedy, and local residents should not be subjected to fumes from engines idling for multiple days in a row. If the train is gonna be parked for extended periods of time, tie it down, shut off the power, lock up the units. Not hard.
@Belleville197 what do you think would be worse? Trains idling for hours, or living next to a highway/ busy street? I'm sure those locomotives put out less pollution then hundreds of cars and trucks.
@@Belleville197 most newer Diesel locomotives have an automatic start/stop system to cut down on idling but even still at least one locomotive has to stay running to provide air for the trainline, otherwise if the air supply is lost for hours then when a crew does come to move the train they instead have to restart the locomotive and rebuild the air and then the conductor will need to walk the entire train to reinspect and test the air brakes. When a train is parked not only are the air brakes set but also several of the freight cars and locomotives have hand brakes applied, as a sort of parking brake. As after all anybody who works for a railroad knows you don't just rely in just the air brakes to hold a train.
The RF&P Heritage Unit is in the thumbnail😂
I was looking at that 😂 I was like oh shi a heritage unit
@@THE_IRON_HORSE Fr
I was thinking that too😂
It is?
@@J50Fan20 yep
Quit your crying and stop blaming the railroad for your personal problems. The railroad was here long before you
that's not a valid argument
@@Belleville197 It is a statement not an argument. Here's another statement: you are a 35 yr old virgin troll that lives in his grandmother's basement and who's girlfriend involves an air pump and a sock.
Yes it is a valid argument. Go cry somewhere else!!
Amen. Railroads built this country deal with it.
Fr fr
Hell, I wouldn't mind hearing it idle. 😂
lol🤣
I wouldn’t mind either, but what got me more concerned is not the noise, but the infrastructure the diesels are resting on. Who knows what’ll happen if it starts to collapse and if anyone was underneath said structure…
@@T128Productions agreed
Hey I see your in Katy Texas, I also live there!
@@b.smith3388 nicee
Let’s just move next to the tracks being it’s much quieter. Wrong! It’s just like people from the city buy land in the country and then complain about the farm smell.
The thing is @MilePost106 in this situation is that Union Pacific is letting their locomotives running when is not necessary for it to left it running and I can understand in either to warm up locomotives, keep them running in cold weather or said locomotives are about to on train soon but not for hours or days with them not working while running.
@@mikeyallen-yk4ol It takes more diesel fuel and emissions for start up a locomotive than to leave one idling. It is necessary and the railroad is always working. A huge locomotive does not work the same as a car. Union pacific can do what they want with their locomotives. People need to grow up and stop acting like little kids when they don't get their way.
@@epicness69992exactly. I work for a RAILROAD if you get what I mean. I’m a diesel mechanic there 👍
Only 2200$ in tickets for the last 2 years?? Apparently river forest does not care either. Union pacific wipes their ass with $2200.
Na that’s less than a penny to the railroad
A lot of crying from people who live in River forest, you know you can move right?! 😂😭 imagine being poor and not having the luxury to complain the way these cry babies do. 🤦🏽♂️💀
I made sure I bought my house away from main roads, railroads, schools, high voltage power lines, strip malls, gymnasiums, fire/police stations, hospitals, and etc. I now live in the sticks.
You're kidding. Why did you move in next to a train track? Move. The railroad was there first.
Correct
Im screaming 😭
Let's see. The tracks have been there for a hundred years and you`ve been there 5 years, Do you see where I`m going with this? Why did you buy there?
not a valid argument
@@Belleville197actually it is
Literally the engines running is what keeps the trains brakes on. 47 people died 11 years ago from a train being shut off. 30 buildings destroyed, 36 contaminated.
People are so fucking stupid don’t move by the tracks
Ok as a Railfan, this pisses me off a little bit. This was originally Chicago and North Western tracks, which the company was founded near the 1860’s, so this would mean the railroad was here LOONNNNNNNNNG before you were even here, and even before cars were invented. Why do y’all non railfanners think it’s a good idea to buy a house 20 FEET FROM THE TRACKS?!?!?
Also forgot to mention that do people even know WHY TRAINS IDLE FOR OVER 5 HOURS? Instead of just blabbering and whining about diesel and the apparent loud engine noise? God people are brainless sometimes.
@@midwestrailfan1550 bro this line was THE FIRST RAILROAD LINE BUILT TO CHICAGO!
as a real man I would love to be next to a railroad track I could easily sleep with the noise of a train idling
@@midwestrailfan1550 yes definitely.
@@joshuatoro8977 Yes bro same
ABC7 Chicago caught a rare heritage unit LOL
You mean the fake unit
@@gamerfan8445bro be grateful they’re painting the locomotives at all. Remember CSX originally did sticker unit’s because they were to lazy to make heritage units. So be grateful for the effort they’ve put in to actually paint locomotives
@@TrainFan119W responce! Imagine hating CSX. Man, these foamers really need help 😂.
@@Rails-Of-Illinois While I think they should have painted the cab I don't call them fake. Those sticker units though...
One of the reasons the trains idle when connected to a long train is to keep air in the brake reservoirs to operate the brakes. Some modern engines have an auto start/stop system that automatically starts the engine if the air pressure reaches below a certain point, that way they can run the air compressor to get sufficient air back in the line for the brake system. The auto start system will often restart the locomotives every couple of minutes, which is why some railroads prefer to keep the engines idling since it can be more efficient than using all that engine power to re-crank the large motor over again to operate the air compressor.
Sometimes you will see smaller railroads with limited budgets idle their locomotives for long amounts of time too. Usually the reasoning behind those railroads are that the batteries in the locomotives may be bad, where turning off a locomotive could require a service truck to come out to jumpstart the locomotive which can cost time and money, along with a new battery system.
The last reason which may be the most important during winter time, is that diesel engines don't like to warm up well in cold weather. To avoid damages to the motor, diesel engines need to be warmed up to operating temperature, otherwise operating them too soon could greatly decrease the life of the motor. So if they need to grab a locomotive quickly while confined to a small timeframe, having a locomotive turned off could put them out of luck.
A future solution to this are hybrid locomotives that are purpose-built to start and shut off quickly. The downside, is that this type of locomotive is only generally used for yard switching, and a purpose built road locomotive like what you see in this news segment isn't made well enough to convince big railroads to buy them. Another downside are that smaller railroads usually don't have the budget to buy these locomotives unless they are bought used, and even then, the lifespan of these particular locomotives are questionable.
30 minutes is the typical time till the engine shuts off.
How many studies did that guy provide on people buying homes by the tracks and bitching about it. Move near the airport and bitch about the noise next time.
Or a racetrack. Maybe farm smell as well.
That idle time creates less pollution than the startup and warmup process. Like others mentioned, it also keeps the air charged up to keep the brakes applied.
Move Away Trains Have Been Around Long Before You Were Born.
What people don't understand is that locomotives need to idle to keep a constant brake pressure so they don't start rolling away, and crew changes happen a lot in the Chicago area, which can take from 10 minutes to multiple days. Also, you can't just turn off a locomotive unless you want a runaway train. Yes, locomotive idle is very loud, especially when the air compressor turns on, and the fumes are very dangerous to the human body. But if you want to have food, gas, and other items, you need to keep the trains. You moved next to the railroad; it was there before you where born. How about you check out the area BEFORE you move in.
"LETS GET A HOUSE BY THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND COMPLAIN ABOUT THE NOISE & SMELL"
You Bought a house by an ugly elevated track. And then you complain about it. No wonder the houses were for sale.
😂
The way I see it, if these people can't stand the train noise, then move out! I'll even buy one of their houses & I know most railfans here would as well. Been into railroad photography for over 30+ years & I love hearing them go by
👎 WHY the H did you NOT check out the neighborhood and area BEFORE you purchased your house?
That would be too easy --or require too much effort.
They could not see the ugly viaduct
Holy 1836!! I saw that. That my favorite
shut up foamer
I’ve lived around here a long time. So I know that was originally the Chicago and Northwestern Railroad. Looked it up: the C&NW was founded in 1859. The railroad has been there much longer than any of these residents. Do you think this is the first time there has been congestion on that line? I highly doubt it, and at any rate I bet the air quality was worse when they used steam engines. Knowing something about real estate markets, I know those houses are cheaper because they are along the railroad. Anyone buying real estate should do a lot of due diligence first, as it’s a big commitment. If you swallow whatever lame story the real estate agent gives you about how the tracks aren’t really that bad because you want a cheap house and you don’t like the results, that’s on you. Making more environmentally friendly railroad engines is a good idea, but it’s not likely to happen in a hurry. They’ve got a long way to go to make electric cars work right. So something on this level seems many years or decades away. Maybe the railroad might be able to put filters on idling engines to reduce emissions. But even something comparatively simple like that would take a lot of development and testing. Bottom line is: people never want to take personal responsibility and this a perfect case study.
This news flash is literally saying the residents are idiots for moving by a raised railroad track. And they are idiots.
Stop complaining people it’s just gas like a car
They do realise that if trains never stopped, 100,000 accidents would happen within the span of 2 minutes
You decided to live by the tracks… especially near Chicago. Deal with it. Welcome to Chicago people
If you have food and all the creature comforts in your home. Thank a Train🤡
not a valid argument
@@Belleville197not a valid argument🤓
@@Belleville197Why don't piss off because that's all you've been saying when replying to a lot of people's comments.
@@frankrodriguez6998 not my fault you're too stupid and uneducated to understand simple logic. The system failed you. Jesus thinks you're an asshole.
If this were a black community, I’m sure the news wouldn’t be covering this. I was surprised when I saw a news segment on stopped trains in Gary, and how black kids had to crawl under train cars, just to get to school. I’m sure nothing has been done to fix that, either.
Gary Indiana? How’s it related to IL? Ohhhhh u playing race card I forgot
@@rorozorolol9725Gary Indiana and Chicago are very close. Both are major railroad hubs
Blackity! Blackity!
Why bring race into this??? Is that ALL y'all got to do???
@@ffemtx4 Because nothing gets done unless it happens to white people in their affluent neighborhoods
I worked for the Union Pacific Railroad as a independent contractor for several years. I had people coming up to me cursing at me because trains would stop and block the crossing and they could pass. Well most of those railroad tracks have been there for over 150 years or more. That's long before they were even born or lived there. So it was their decision two buy a home near the railroad tracks in the first place.And if you don't like it then move.
Y’all need to stop complaining! They are running under tier 7 admissions! Plus the motors have auto start function. So they don’t run all the time. If y’all don’t like it move!
The railroad has been there since before all of your grandparents were born.
The homes would not be there with out trains.
@@elijahscall718 It makes sense now. No I don't think it was ok for the "NATIVE AMERICANS" to be killed
Alright. DON'T MOVE NEAR RAILROAD TRACKS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR OVER 150+ YEARS AND COMPLAIN ABOUT TRAINS!
THOSE ARE TEIR 3 AND 4 EMISSION LOCOMOTIVES THEY DON'T PRODUCE ENOUGH DISEL EXHAUST IN A DAY OR EVEN A WEEK FOR YOU TO SMELL IT ESPECIALLY FROM INSIDE YOU'RE HOME. THE RAILROAD DOESN'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING TO PLEASE YOU. G R O W U P
Welcome to the world of PSR (known as Precision Scheduled Railroading), folks! Nowadays, trains run until they run out of rested crews, which is caused by the railroads furloughing crews to the point there's not enough people to keep the trains running on a consistent basis! This results in trains sitting (or as we call it on the Railroad, "tied down") for many hours, sometimes days, depending on when some of these trains are ordered, or a rested crew comes on duty. Also, because of PSR, trains are much longer and much slower than in years past, which further adds to the problem, and we're not even getting into the maintenance side of things, which is a whole other can of worms! Now granted, even 20, 30 years ago, before the PSR era, you would still have trains sitting for extended periods of time, its just not as frequent as it is now. All that being said, I do agree with some of the comments here that these people should have known what they were moving into, but hopefully, this explanation gives them a little insight into how railroads currently operate!
Yea the trains do stop literally right in the middle of the track for days but once again you moved there and there is a reason the house price was cheap.
and maybe these people should be paying the extra cost it cost to ship our goods because of people like them complaining about idling trains
The trains need to stay on in order to keep air pressure in the brake lines unoccupied or not
Enjoy the Trains. Become a Railfan 😊
Me personally, the sound of an idling train is calming
I could sleep like a baby in one.
Cry harder Karens. That's RR-owned property 😂
100 years and now they notice .
Built in 1856 I think
😂 Did you buy your house sight unseen? Have you never seen a train operate or a train yard before? Buyer beware...real simple.
Reporter, "Can you imagine living there and the train just sitting there for hours?"
Everyone else in the world, "Yes".
I grew up with a train track about the same distance from our home, didn't even notice when trains would go by, never woke up from them.
The RF&P in the heritage unit is awesome!
State laws are preempted by Federal law especially in matters of interstate commerce so anything passed by the state is not worth the paper it’s printed on. That said, there is a local initiative called CREATE that’s adding infrastructure (bridges, overpasses, tracks, signaling, etc.) to improve fluidity of the railroads through Chicago. It’s a program that’s been going on for 21 years and has expended billions of dollars doing community outreach, put many of its associates’ kids (and grandkids) through college and built a few things here and there.
50 years ago, the UP right of way was not surrendered by homes. They moved there, by the tracks, and conveniently forgot that trains are loud, and now they want the railroad to suffer in their stead. I mean, it’s Cali, so I’m genuinely not surprised, but the solution is as clear as the water on the gulf coast.
The same people who move next to a race track, then complain when they host a race.
They are diesel locomotives that’s what they do. So if you don’t like it FUCKING move out. Duh!
Personally, the sound of an idling diesel engine would lull me to sleep. I also don't mind the smell of diesel fumes, but I can understand how it can become overwhelming after a while for people.
Hey that train your... Chopper caught had the first CSX Heritage unit on the UP Geneva Sub. You guys should be happy. Its a Low Emissions unit. A GEVO. I also caught that in DeKalb IL. It’s on my channel
LOL with the new CSX RF&P unit in the pic!
During the winter. They only use water for coolant, if they don’t run during the winter they freeze.
I live in a town where the NS Pittsburgh line has a siding track where coal trains sit like this all the time. No one complains in this town about it, why are these guys complaining? The tracks were there first, and if you’re worried about diesel fumes, are you going to ban fire trucks next because ThEYrE LoUD and THeYRE hArMFUL? NO! Stop complaining about it, they’re just mad because they didn’t check the neighborhood before moving there. I’ve grown up here and I love these trains and tracks, show them some love too, they probably brought you your dinner tonight
Remember what happened at Lac-Megantic when they switched the train off.
The prob with our current world is people nowa'days tend to want to forget/erase the past and then it'll eventually repeat its self...
The railroad was there LONG before yall were born
who noticed CSX 1836 in the first part of the video
I did. And I caught that same train the next day. I uploaded the video
I find idle noises relaxing, I could sleep like a baby if they parked one 2 feet from my window.
News catching a CSX heritage unit before GTA 6
Nice that they put the RF&P Heritage unit on there but those people are dumb trains carry materiels you need to survive
Diesel engines aren't like gas engines. They need to be kept warm, as diesel freezes at a higher temperature than gasoline. Plus, the air brakes on a long freight train can take over an hour to fully release. And if you knew what you were getting into, why not just move?
they can turn it off i also like how the RF&P loco is shown
Yay CSX RF&P heritage unit!!!
How many times do I have to say this
The tracks were there before you moved in
At least they ain't blaring their horn for the entire night non stop
what the resonance didn't realize is they bought next to train tracks they chose to buy those houses next to train tracks and yes those trains have to idle so that they can keep them ready to go they don't turn off trains a lot of times because it's safer to keep the airlines on those long trains fully intact yes let's turn those trains off yes but then again we could have an accident and so do we blame those residents when there's an accident?
Locomotives idle for long periods because starting a 12 or 16 cylinder engine the size of YOUR CAR is a long tedious process. It is more feasible to let the engine run and stay warm for when the train needs to move again.
Also nice catch chopper 7 lol, CSXT1836 is a nice touch.
I Love the smell of Diesel in the Morning 😊
Trains don't just idle for hours and hours on end; after a certain amount of time, the diesel engine will shut off automatically unless it is being used! It was all of their decisions to buy a house next to the railroad that was there long before them. It was their decision, and they can do something about it.
Maybe try moving out of your house that you willingly chose to live right next to the tracks, and don't complain about the machines that are doing what they're supposed to be doing.
😳…wow! The diesel exhaust and soot are 100% cancerous🫣. Only a FOOL would remain there🥸.
I worked on these engines at proviso desiel shop in Melrose park for 25 yrs, then they laid me off!!smh!,but I'm still alive!!!
This is normal where train yards are close. I guess they should have thought about purchasing property near train tracks. I understand their concerns but these issues come with the territory of living near train tracks especially near or in cities and near or close to train yards. I don’t think the train companies really care about these issues. So, good luck those who live near train tracks, I don’t think it will change!
Some of the best sleep I've ever gotten in my life has been on a train. What a bunch of cry babies 😅
Without the railroad, Chicago would have never been.
3:05 Who knew Rod was capable of doing good things lol
73 citations for only about $30 each. Make it $300 for each day. Also, that idle law. The train is a vehicle and it has a motor.
0:36 CSXT 1836 RF&P MENTIONED 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥
What r u doing here
$2200 in fines is nothing to cp train company.
CP? As in CPKC? Don’t remind me…
Who was their first ? If you move into a house next to the track whose fault is that??
If you don’t wanna be by stopp trains or live by stop trains, then move!!!
Ain't no way the got 1836 on the news
That railroad was there long before any of those crybabies were born , Sickening isn't it.
If not the diesel fumes. It's the horns. Or, blocking the crossings.
Simple solution electrify your railroads like the rest of the damm world. Also diesel trains take time to get going so idleing for a few hours is expected. Also to be fair you knew that the railroad was there when you bought your house.
Complaining about jets making noise after moving next door to O'Hare. Or, the smell of 🐂💩 after moving next to an established farm. Or, constant traffic noise after moving next to the expressway....SMFH...
People still complaining about the railroad like shut up
Kind of like buying a house next to an airport. I smell jet fuel and the noise and planes are landing every 2 minutes.
Wouldnt be complaining if the trains where providing power to their homes durring an outage.
I love how they are angry at an Ethanol train. I guess they don’t like to be able to refuel the car
The lashup in the thumbnail is just unheard of
Oh wow a CSX heritage unit in UP territory!
@@railfan282 first one actually
People have nothing else to complain about geez
The cargo company is wanting to maximize profit, time is money you turn off a diesel engine it takes a few minutes to turn on, so they keep them on so they can leave immediatly.
THEY ARE VERY DIFFICULT TO RESTART
You just push a green button. It says 'START'.
@@86GT11 They also don't have a "park" gear like a car does. No engine, no air - no air, no brakes.
@@ryanbrown8527That's why they have hand breaks. If they let the AESS do it's thing the power will restart automatically if the air drops below a set level.
@@ryanbrown8527 No air = FULL brakes. Same on a semi trailer. Maybe learn how air brake systems work before making an uninformed comment. These are NOT "cars".
Chopper 7 may have just seen a better lash up than I have ever seen
I got that lash up in person in DeKalb IL Lol
Simple solution electrify your railroads like the rest of the damm world. Also diesel trains take time to get going so idleing for a few hours is expected.
Shit I would just be looking at the trains 😂
Idk trains just fascinate me
The public needs to complain to the railroads and, their owners, the hedge funds, about building shorter trains. That's one solution. For safety concerns at least one locomotive has to operate frequently. I don't know when these people were interviewed but, bad weather will slow operations which can cause a backup along the system which, did happen a few weeks ago. I believe the residents are exaggerating idle times to embellish their story. Those long idle times (days) were common around the mid 1990's when there was a company merger which slowed operations.
Blame E Hunter Harrison. Oh wait he’s dead
Idle baby idle.
RF&P HERITAGE UNIT SPOTTED
How is it an environmental problem when all these locomotives are equipped with tier 4 standard emissions? Which is the most cleanest
Patsy's Patsy's Patsy's.....I'm so glad to be out of that liberal state ...... WTF did you move their......kinda sounds like a white woke thing!!!
Yeah I’ve made that mistake once. It makes you sick. You don’t really recover completely after that.
It's kind of embarrassing that railfans in the comments act like the biggest NIMBY's, when you know people have a right to be concerned about the air they breathe, with or without the home their zoned in. So, loco's that idle for nigh a day and a half at other times, a few days, goes to show how frieght companies need a different level of regulation and cleaner rolling stock, instead of volcanos that pull 300% their dedicated capacity.
Simply saying, the rails were here first bro, and justifying why locomotives are the most tedious to start up so idling is fair, or why PSR is the best bottleneck to freight schedules since sliced bread, does not challenge why you, a railfan, can appreciate what makes rail in America so special.
Nice shot of the CSX RF&P Heritage Unit