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And Is not just the leader of your faction but the chosen one of your very god and the one who Made the great of sacrifises in order to restore your world
That line is basically the best description of any series (or franchise) that goes on for long enough. I grew up with Thomas and friends first and foremost then went on to transformers prime in my pre-teens, I've suffered. I stuck by both of them and, yeah, I wish it wasn't this bad, but it sadly is.
I personally believe that they should've reincarnated Optimus instead of just bringing him back from the dead. Imagine if we get introduced to a new and inexperienced character like an Orion Pax 2.0 but we slowly over the episodes of the show discover he was Optimus in his past life and watch him accept the title/name. I hope this isn't too confusing or weird.
I thought that this will happen for sure after optimus sacrifices and he is a new bot. Eventually rachet will realise that he is optimus and teaches him
Either that or Ultra Magnus would be a better choice, since Magnus didn't had a chance in TFP to participate in missions while saving humans like most of the cast, him being trained to fight Megatronus/Fallen while being weaker then Optimus in TFP and being more naive would make much more sense.
I honestly feel bad for Peter Cullen and his time on this project. I can't imagine the pain and frustration he must've felt when he had to witness Optimus being character assassinated and went from the wise, respectful leader in TF:P to a rookie who acts like an old man and acts immature at times.
You can tell Peter Cullen was phoning it in as well in the recording booth. He knows Optimus like the back of his hand, and to see him be reduced to a bland shell of himself is just plain wrong.
Why didn’t he walk away when he saw how they were going to ruin his character, tell them to get someone else to voice Optimus if they were going to character assassinate him?
Optimus in TFP was literally about to relinquish leadership and the Matrix of Leadership to Smokescreen. In RID, he’s incapable of accepting anyone besides himself as being the leader.
that scene where Sideswipe insults Optimus and his stories, and calls him Pops bother me so much, not because sideswipe disrespected him, that's fine, but for Optimus's answer to him. He angrily says ''You may call me Optimus Prime, or Optimus, those are your only two options'' and leaves, an irritated old man asking for respect but failing at being respectful. While I feel Optimus would have understood Sideswipe and gave him a valuable lesson, like ''I understand old stories can be meaningless and boring to young bots, but knowing about the past is important for your generation to not make the same mistakes we did, with our knowledge you can be better than us.'' That would have let Sideswipe with nothing to complain about, and would be a wise answer of someone who knows he comes from an older time.
Hearing Optimus say “Please help me!” That pathetically AND it being Peter Cullen just hurts. Never is the PRIME meant to ask for help in such a stupid setting. It’s sad, after rewatching TFP lately and seeing him in the supposed ‘sequel’ make him look this pathetic…
I agree, im one of the people that kinda likes robots in disguise but i can admit as a transformers show its alright but as a sequel to TFP its not's that good, i know we rag on michael bay but even he treated optimus prime with more respect.
I personally thought that line was well acted, especially since it went against his previous characterization and it's good to show vulnerability in leaders, but the show handled everything all wrong. This should have been something he said to bumblebee during a time of strife between the team. Perhaps they had a relationship destroying argument and bumblebee is rebelling / ignoring him in order to prove himself and Optimus gets in a situation that he can't get out of and he has to ask bumblebee for help. However it has an effect on bumblebee that's unexpected; bumblebee realizes he should have handled everything from the beginning with more maturity than what he has been as his behavior forced Optimus to beg, essentially, forcing the show to finally mature the character, but after the Fixit episode where they just let the little guy self-harm because they prefer a servant over a capable security bot, I lost all respect for the show and the people behind it. Absolutely inexcusable behavior and an awful, dangerous lesson to teach children.
What I personally believe is that the writers behind TFRID shouldn’t have changed parts of characters from TFP just to make the story more convenient for them to write. That’s not how a sequel works, you can’t just retcon half of the thing you’re making a sequel of, you’re meant to write around the events of it!
yeah and to be honest if the age of primes was over why didn't Optimus just remove the Matrix of leadership and drop it down the well? it is after all a relic of primus so the all spark would be bonded to that then he would return to Orion but still had all the knowledge he had as Optimus or even after defecting Megatronus (who I still think was a copy made by Liege maximo) not only had the power he borrowed taken back but was returned to his old Orion pax body then both he and Bumblebee can learn from the other and help each other.
RID15 changed so much from TFP because they were aiming for a younger demographic, yet Rescue Bots and Rescue Bots Academy, both of which are intended PRESCHOOL AGE children, were more consistent with TFP's lore and characterisation, as well featuring better character growth and relationships. That's just pathetic of RID15.
Imagine if they took the idea of making Smokescreen the next Prime, and he being trained by the Primes instead of Optimus, then strugling with Bee's team, to become a great leader
Definitely would've been a greater idea than what we got and why not just do with Optimus like in ep 1 of rid15 when only bumblebee saw optimus face in the lake like a guiding spirit or something, they never had to bring back optimus to reduce his sacrifice there are so many other ways like you said by continuing the smokescreen prime idea
Transformers prime is one of the few times Optimus Prime’s death actually meant something, Optimus Prime is my favourite transformers character, but because of how much the fans grew attached to G1 prime and how his death affected people, so (pretty much, but not all) deaths are just to recreate that iconic moment, but he mainly just dies for “shock” value, then he’s back, most of the time he gets brought back very soon after his death, but Prime Optimus and another incarnation (who I won’t spoil because it’s not relevant to the continuity and video and others might not know) are some of the few who’s death has meaning and half of which were permanent, and that made me love those incarnations, those primes have a fully concluded character arc, with a beginning, middle and end, but RID just robs Aligned prime of his sacrifice and the end of his character arc, it just does not sit well with me I will say, the initial concept of a aging Optimus Prime who isn’t in his Prime (budum tish) is a interesting concept for the character, hell, I’m even interested in the concept of Optimus not being the leader and being more of the wise sage / moral centre of the group, but the handling of the concept isn’t done well at all
I like the idea of Old Man Optimus, most of all cause in his down time he might be able to let loose and relax once and awhile, aligned optimus of all incarnations forcefully keeps his emotions in check a lot. He deserves a peaceful retirement.
@@kennethsatria6607 the idea of old Optimus Prime is a great avenue that hasn't been explored that often. The dude could slowly begin to leave the leadership role and fall into a mentor position, like his old friend Alpha Trion, and it'd come full circle for him.
@@inesatt1313 Yeah but they still had war responsibilities, and G1 might be too lighthearted compared to modern incarnations where the war felt like a war.
I’m an awful writer but one rule I know for sure is you should never bring back a beloved character of a franchise and bring down his character to build the new characters up
Same, as a writer myself, I would've preferred if he was kept dead. Sacrificing a character is one thing, reviving them and disrespecting their character is another.
Oh, hell, I hoped it wasn't true, but I wondered if Optimus was an early victim of 'he's a strong legacy character, tear him down to let our better characters take over!' that later afflicted Star Wars or Picard. Ugh.
A good way to still show Bee as being a better leader than Optimus is for it to be because the teams are different. Have Optimus trying to have the Bee team fill the same roles as the Prime team and failing as Optimus isn't used to their dynamic. Like he has Bumblebee do his scouting thing which goes well, but then have Strongarm try to do something Arcee or Rachet would have done. Have Bee be hesitant to speak up as he's never had to question Optimus' tactics before. Have it be a arc where both actually learn something. Optimus would learn that he needs to put more trust into Bee as he is no longer just his scout, but a honorable leader. Bee can learn that he needs to speak up for both himself and others even if the other person has good intentions. This could even lead into the Future of Cybertron arc (aka Deception Council) as before that Bee would just think that they probably had a good reason for the things they did. It could have been done so much better and have been actually good!
But Optimus had a lot of people he worked with. He surely can find an approach to any team and any person. That's his wisdom is for. There is no possible situation where less experienced and younger leader could be better than wiser and experienced one. Expect for dementia🤣 It's just absurd
@@Иная exactly he'd only need a few days to learn how to team dynamic worked and then he'd be able to switch it up on the fly but then again this is an Optimus prime this is optimal primo the $3 discount version
@@mr.breadman4181 The sad part is.. All they had to do was just have Optimus Prime return as Orion Pax. All of the lessons he's given? It's because he doesn't remember being Optimus, doesn't have the matrix of leadership. He's got bits and pieces, sure.. but then all of his misteps get explained by "Dude is being called a prime but doesn't even remember fighting Megatron"
They literally could’ve just swapped most of Prime’s role for Ultra Magnus. Them arguing over leadership would make a lot more sense, and as for the 13 primes stuff, just make it so Magnus also sees Optimus in a vision, goes to the planets core to train with O.P and Micronus while the Bee team takes on runaway con’s on earth. Same main plot, same villains, same overall story. Just makes a bit more sense now. Also, I wish the series had an episode where the team had to capture a gang of Vehicons. It could be pretty entertaining as, unlike in TFP, their goal is to capture, not kill. Besides that would take only two Character models with a few recolours for that.
Tfp: Optimus literally had a sad sacrifice with a happy ending. Literally almost killed Megatron in the end of Transformers prime season 1. Rid: Optimus literally just gets brought back alive and doesn’t have a reason why he returned. Literally gets blasted and needed to be trained. (Look at how they massacred my prime)
I feel like Prime's training arc COULD'VE worked. The idea of a long dead warrior / hero having to re-learn or train to return to their peak after years or even eons of drifting around in the afterlife making them rusty sounds like an interesting concept to me. It's just that they did prime so dirty that it hurts
"My circuits won't do as I say fast enough, this is intolerable" "Optimus, you have been frozen for eons, most of your micro processors has to be replaced, your cache stored was wiped long ago, even the circuits you have left are either molten from you over heating them or damaged from the temperature fluctuations. You need to build your fighting cache up by scratch"
@@JohnWick-rh1zz i completely agree. the making him weaker part and slowly returning to his original prime state wouldve worked, but they made him look foolish by some of his speech. i agree man
If they want to do that then put him back in his old body, and make him a disabled veteran. It's reasonable for him to have some frustration, and it's Even more so reasonable for him to have PTSD. But write that story, don't write him as a rookie. No he does not need to climb the damn hill. Make bumblebee do it. Make him learn what it means to be a prime. Prime literally already knows. He could be learning how to be something else. A Wiseman.
There was an easy way to solve this: Don't show Prime that often, have him come in every once in a while to give some advice or something, and then go away to fight some bigger foe we don't know about. It could even be a minor character in the mythos, like Devil Z.
yes, simply let the audience's imaginations and reverence for Optimus Prime do the heavy lifting. Albus Dumbledore is rarely seen in the Harry Potter books, but he is a well-established, rather revered, sagely character. The more you show off your revered character, the more chances you have to fuck it up and drop the character into the mud, tarnishing them with your bad writing.
Rescue Bots is an unironically good show. I stumbled across it a couple times on TV and would always stick around to watch. Simple, but solid, and with a kick-ass intro song.
I'm not really sure why but I absolutely love rescue bots. It's just cool seeing new faces and even though it's targeted towards a younger audience, it's actually really entertaining
🎶A routine patrol with 4 bots in stasis, years later awoke in the strangest of places. Earth was their home now, and in addition; Optimus Prime gave them this mission: "Learn from the humans, serve and protect. Live in their world, earn their respect. A family of heroes will be your allies, to others remain robots in disguise" RESCUE BOTS! ROLL TO THE RESCUE! HUMANS IN NEED, HEROES INDEED! RESCUE BOTS, ROLL TO THE RESCUE! Res-cue Bots! With Cody to guide them and show them the way, rescue bots will be saving the day! Rescue bots, roll to the rescue! Rescue bots!🎶 I typed all this from memory
I feel like Optimus is disrespected in the show. They could have done something like they did in the Orion pax episodes where the All spark being sacrificed corrupted his memory, since the core of Primus was polluted with dark Energon. They didn’t have to remove all his memory’s but it would atleast account for his inexperience.
I feel by far the worst sin of this depiction is making Optimus too prideful to admit his mistakes. Prime always made a point of showing that Optimus was as fallible as anyone else and could make mistakes, but he would always admit to such things and they clearly weighed heavily upon him. If they had just tweaked it as Optimus feeling like he had to live up his image as a great leader so that the others wouldn't despair, it would have been much improved.
Imagine how hard it is to write a leader who openly refuses to have fun ever and keep him likable. Of course he's happy to see his people happy, but why does he go for a drive and shut does efforts to bond on sillier levels? It's not because he's a killjoy. He does so with great sadness but resolve that it's not his place to goof off. Not anymore. In the best circumstances he's still a watchdog. He must be on alert so his men and the kids can continue to have fun during down time. It's all the more essential to him. Primes aren't built that way.
Honestly would’ve been cool if Arcee, Ratchet, and Bulkhead lead their own team alongside Bees team and we could see how these groups interact off each other as they protect their own parts of the world. Bees team protecting the Northern side, Acrees team in the west, Bulkhead’s in the south and lastly Ratchets in the east. And we see how these teams react to their new environments, having to be their own leaders and building a bond and discovering new things about their own teammates they never even knew. Hell this could’ve even be given a cool name called, TRANSFORMERS: WORLD PROTECTION SQUADRON. Protecting every part of the earth and capturing any Decepticons that escaped. Would’ve been amazing
0:15 I am a devoted transformers prime fan, and I honestly thought that robots in disguise was okay, it wasn't amazing but I thought the characters were decent, the story was episodic but it had it's moments, and the call backs and cameos were pretty neat
As much as Bayverse Optimus is getting shit on as a warrior psychopath, he still had more sense to him than Robots in Disguise Optimus. That one is a real disgrace to who Optimus is across all media.
He even took down the Fallen by himself, with the help of Jetfire of course, may he forever be remembered as a noble Autobot for his sacrifice. Robots in disguise Optimus didn't finish him off as his movie counterpart.
I never understood what went wrong with this show. I was so looking forward to a Prime-sequel with an older Jack, Miko, Raf and so on (the humans) but in the end, they downgraded everything about RiD.
What pissed me off the most was the fact that they don't even reference Jack, Miko or Raph at all....Also for a show thats supposed to be a continuation of TFP, they do little to nothing to answer what happened to the characters from TFP and where they are during RID. Arcee? Gone. Smokescreen? Forgotten. Knockout, Arachnid, SHOCKWAVE? Dropped from the story entirely...but they had the balls to bring back Starscream and Soundwave and a knockoff Megatron...
@@ArcticWolf00Alpha0 It's honestly really sad. I would love to see TFP Shockwave again, he's simply the most badass scientist in al Transformers, but he's basically gone, and even if they bring him back they will probably wash him down into a very basic and childish version of himself.
I think the transformers prime show is the literal prime of transformers animated franchises. Now, that form of media is reaching into it's senior citizen age of life. The Netflix shows beginning with WfC is the closest we'll get to the genius that is TFP, but they were 100% made as love letters to the original cartoons. I mean, they went all the way back to the G1 aesthetic for WfC. I haven't watched it's sequels yet, so I can't speak about the character designs in those.
@@ArcticWolf00Alpha0 Don't remind me of Soundwave, after "transforming him to a RiD character" they made him uuuuseless! It looked like he got worse (battle-wise and character-wise, and the design was a 5 for me), not like a second battle against a villain, no no, worse!
@@ArcticWolf00Alpha0 actually the show does mention Jack, miko and Raf but only once. When bee waw stuck in the shadow zone he tried to recall how our 3 main teenage tf prime protagonist got out of the shadow zone. However that doesn't fix things when they don't do returning characters justice
I am actually shocked by how Bee talks to Prime in RID, TFP Bee would never talk like that, he is literally as loyal as Ratchet to Prime, and loves him like a young boy loves his father
This show massacred any emotions Prime built up the bee in this one is an entirely different character than prime (notice he never mentions Ralph ever and the fact he’s insecure somehow despite that being against his entire character of prime ) not to mention the whole plot of the show is after cybertron is restored it gets ruled by another corrupt council I wonder why the millions year old war started hmm oh and it’s revealed they were decepticons the whole time utterly embarrassing how badly this show destroyed what prime left it
@@seasons1745 I mean bee was insecure once in prime (that I can think of). When he lost his part that allows transformers to transform and attack. Tcog?
@@no_0riginality937 yeah that was really annoying, I get that he might've attempted to visit them off screen since they weren't the focus of the show but come on,it hasn't been that many years since the war ended maybe 5 years max, so why don't we even know where the kids are that question should've been answered
Optimus prime is supposed to be 9 million years old. And even if he had a 1000 years of battle experience he should be able to pass the test fairly easily. This issue has been addressed very nicely in this video.
@@occam7382 Kung fu panda also has this issue where they make series sequels without watching the previous series, so they make a ton of continuity errors, and the more series they do the worse it gets, the more recent one is the worst, since not only it does not follow anything of what the previous series have stabilished, but it also is supposed to be a sequel to the last movie and disowns everything that came in the last movie too. The writers didnt even CARE to watch AT LEAST the MOVIES to make that crap! Robots in disguise is really similar in that aspect...
I mean, if you can have a fic writer do an insanely better job, then decide they didn't do well enough and begin a rewrite that further improves the fic... Well, you might wanna rethink who you hired to write your plot.
If they wanted Bee to be front and center in the show, they should've left Optimus dead and had him be a spiritual guide for Bee to help him overcome the difficulties and hardships of leading a team and bring Optimus back as a spirit in the final battle against the main enemy as a spirit to help give Bee strength
Amen on Cyberverse. That was a great example of a Transformers show with great writing. It's entertaining for all ages, particularly and specifically because it was not written in a way that insults the intelligence of the target audience. RiD 2015 is an example of the story being too watered down for children to the point where it makes me want to gouge my own eyes out, Netflix WFC is an example of the story trying so hard to be mature that it just comes off as pretentious and annoying in my opinion. Prime, Rescue Bots, and Cyberverse are examples of writing that manages to balance "childish" and "mature" that it maintains a long shelf life.
Rid 2015 is weird, its supposed to be a sequel to prime but is very difrent, as if they wanted to make a original show but forced to connect to the prime continuity.
This show is so weird and is VERY disconnected from the stuff that happened in TFP. I thought it was a cool idea for Bumblebee (my favorite Autobot. Animated, Prime and Bumblebee movie versions being the best ones to me) taking up the leadership role but the way RiD handled it was not good.
It's amazing how the Rescue Bots shows - shows made for literal toddlers - had more respect for Optimus than the sequel to TFP. Really, how Optimus is portrayed in RiD 2015 is a symptom of arguably the biggest problem with the show: The characters. The pre-established characters who appear often feel completely at odds with how they were actually portrayed in the previous show. They are either completely different or certain aspects of them have been flanderized to the point where they became nothing more than archetypes. And the new characters never get a chance to shine because the status quo keeps resetting their development, making any investment into them completely pointless. It's telling that the best arc in the show was the Starscream arc because it actually felt like the character was still the same character from the previous show.
I hate when shows make a character learn something in one episode, and then the next episode they are back to needing to learn that. Literally every episode of RID was this
Agreed with the Starscream arc. that was literally the only time ANY of the characters were how they were originally portrayed in Prime. Starscream is just being Starscream. Bumblebee is messing with him like all the autobots in Prime, and Optimus is very serious and trying to be more tactical to accommodate his handicap, like he did in Prime whenever he'd have one [minus how RID still found a way to make a mockery of him].
I think the show's biggest problem is laziness, which leads to every other problem. I remember right before it premiered, someone on Twitter asked the director (? or producer? something like that) what had happened to Megatron, since the last we saw him (end of TFP) he had just flown away. His answer: "I don't know." Isn't it literally the writer's job to figure that out?? Shouldn't a writer be EXCITED to figure that out? RID15 feels like it was created by someone who hates writing, Transformers, or both.
@@heckyeahponyscans Those writers were lazy because they clearly didnt read the original story properly nor watched the show they were MAKING A SEQUEL FOR, so they came up with this good concept of grandpa Optmus but executed it like crap
And I thought the War for Cybertron Netflix series disrespected Prime, at least there it was from bad writing and not other characters, the writers REALLY phoned it in, didn't they?
I have only watched the first few (not even quite all of the first series) episodes of War for Cybertron, and I was loving it. What, to you, is the issue with Optimus in that show?
I just rewatched the entirety of the TFP because my little brother discovered it and I got hooked again and finished all the episodes and, right now, the movie without him haha. This was the transformers I grew up on and it was my FAVORITE show besides The Clone Wars. So every episode and moment of the movie came back and hit me ten fold and watching Optimus sacrifice himself the way I remembered almost brought me to tears. He’s my favorite character and I love him dearlyyyy. Obviously I was a lot younger when I watched it for the first couple times, so I don’t think Robots in Disguise was out or I just hadn’t heard of it. Imagine my sincere surprise when I finish the movie and see a new series pop up with my boy Optimus back from the dead!! I know many fans roll their eyes when popular characters come back as the video said, but I can’t help be happy I get to see him in action again :) WHICH IS WHY- I would like to personally thank this creator for posting this video I randomly found right now, having just finished the movie, and preventing me from continuing to watch Robots in Disguise. I would have only been saddened and purified by what they have done to my childhood hero💔 God bless you and let’s all remember the REAL Prime who forever lives in our hearts😊❤️💙
Yeah, I'm the same way I grew up with prime and clone wars, and like 6 years ago, I found out about what they did in rid how they disregarded all the humans and butchered all of the characters I once loved and now I treat it the way all pacific rim fans treat the new movie, it just doesn't exist lmao
Honestly, when I first watched this show as an 11 year old kid, I wasn't really big into it, I kinda like some parts of it, but overall I much prefer TF Prime for reasons I would like to point out. 1. The writers themselves have respect for both kids and adults. 2. Kids around 7 - 13 year old don't like crappy cartoons, so the writers give them a great cartoon show that refuses to talk down kids. 3. Great role models for anyone including kids can look up too. 4. Great animation. 5. Great messages/lessons to learn. 6. Clever comedy that younger and older people can laugh. 7. Characters that are likable, relatable, interesting and believable. I can name more, but that is about it. I am not sure if anyone would agree to this, but I highly recommend anyone including kids to watch Transformers Prime, as it is a great TV series to watch, especially as a whole family than RID 2015.
@@Frost_T_Flakes I mean, I am not ashamed to admit this. I have always loved TFP Arcee and I had a huge crush on her as a 8 year old boy due to how hot, interesting and badass she was.
I can’t believe how Optimus treated like this. I was pretty surprised that he comes back out of nowhere, though he sacrificed himself in the last series (TFP). And it was only the series that Bee disrespected Optimus because he wasn’t experienced though he was trained, but in a horrible way. We, true TF fans hate to see our beloved main character always suffer for stupid reasons.
The treatment of optimus and the bickering between him and bumblebee left a very bitter taste to me. Seeing optimus struggling to do anything and needing to be trained just felt wrong. And Bumblebee constantly whining & agruing about being a better leader got under mine skin fast. Having a aging Optimus isn't a bad idea, but having him struggle was just terrble, Heck G1 Kup, Energon Bulkhead and Vector Prime are all older bots but could still put up some good fights while giving words of wisdom towards the others.
Don't forget Ratchet in Prime--I believe this was even touched upon with the Synth-En episode (though it's admittedly been a while, I may be misremembering.). I think the same is true of him in Animated, though admittedly I'm not very familiar with that incarnation of the character.
@@katherinepurvin7802 Yes it's weird seeing that Ratchet is in Robots in Disguise, but for some reason they apparently gave Optimus Ratchet's old personality.
@@katherinepurvin7802 Also, Ratchet in Animated is portrayed as very grumpy. I do prefer Prime in these respects. Ratchet truly was the old grumpy grandpa in Animated, but he definitely has the more experience. A lot of his experience is as a medic, and he is pretty respected for that experience, even asked about what it was like having been in the war on Cybertron.
Optimus may have sacrificed himself at the end of prime but remember He said the matrix of leadership (mol) had the allspark’s energy in it so he has to go to the core to reunite it And Optimus said ”the primes rescued me BEFORE my spark was extinguished” so he was basically in his pre-prime state = Orion pax
I also wanted to know what happened to Jack, Miko, and especially Raphael (you know since the series focuses so heavily on Bumble Bee, and Raphael was his partner, but we have no idea what happened to him or any of the humans)
I used to like this show when I was younger because I didn't know that Prime existed, I didn't know that it was a sequel to an even better series😂. Watching RID 2015 now after watching Prime for the first couple of times, I can understand why people hate it so much.
I understand a few points of why people hate it from the show: lack of creativity, primes resurrection, inability to keep the tone, and the severe downgrade of characters. But now I'm seeing a lot more points that don't exactly add up to me
I watched as a kid but didnt liked because was so much goofier than the other series. When i discovered that this was a sequel of my favorite transformers series, i shouted the loudest WTF of my life
Yeah true I watched rid15 before watching prime, and as a kid rid was one of my daily watch shows, but after watching prime while I don't hate rid, it's a horrible sequel
@@CT-1735 He was chosen by the Matrix (I don't think Optimus actually had much input), but didn't want to accept it--and then that thread was promptly dropped once OP was healed. It would have been interesting to see more of that conflict, given that it technically makes him a Prime-in-waiting.
@@katherinepurvin7802 Actually that would’ve make a lot more sense and probably explains why Bee acts like him in this show rather than how he was on prime
RID (2015) Optimus would’ve been better off as a minor character, season 1 should of just had him as a spirt adviser to Bumblebee and support for the final battle against Megatronus. It would be much more emotional as well if it was the final time that he could communicate with Bee and him disappearing forever would show that he had moved on to finally rest.
They could actually write Optimus sacrifice that make some sense, and make him non experienced at once so he need training. Like Prime series even say how, wipe his memories, make him clean slate that need to be prepared to be himself once more. That way also would make Bee actually have ground for dont wanting to follow this new Optimus, and instead take charge himself.
@@ArthurBr1000Oficial I mean, i posted this comment in video that is also spoiling parts of the show. Also in prime they didnt really done much how i say outside of whole losing memories
One of the most frustrating things about making RID a sequel to Prime, is KNOWING how capable and understanding Optimus was in Transformers Prime. He was the MC after all, so he had to be amazing… but when sequels disrespect the original MC to boost new ones, I always feel disrespected and offended. It’s the same reason I wasn’t a huge fan of the Sequel Trilogy or the new Terminator movie. I don’t hate the idea of having Optimus having an arc that is about letting go of control and allowing people he inspired to take the lead, but they didn’t have to make him so pathetic to do that. It’s hard to believe RID Optimus is the same guy as Prime Optimus when he’s always so Out of character.
All of your points are very accurate. And the OP problem as you name it is truly the main reason why I couldn’t finish the series. I stopped halfway through season 2.
Diminishing one does not elevate another. That seems to be the overall mistake Robots in Disguise made. Diminishing Optimus did not elevate Bumble Bee.
The only thing I didn't like about Optimus in this show was his fights with Bumbelbee over who is the better leader. Optimus would never do that since he truly believes in Bumbelbee's capabilities. His fights with Bumbelbee made him look immature and childlish. Optimus is not like that. Also, I hightly agree that Optimus didn't need those training sessions with Micronus Prime. He was a leader for milions of years, he damn knows how to fight! I love Optimus but I believe the creators could've done better with his character. Like if you agree.
@@ladyeva9398 It was just bad writing....to make a point by people that didn't give 2 sh*ts about the show. It's kinda sad that they thought to make bumble bee better, he had to compete against prime.....makes no sense, but it is what it is.
The only parts of RID15 I liked is when old prime characters showed up for an episode or season final. While it’s labeled as a continuation of prime it sure as hell doesn’t feel like one especially Optimus and bumblebee. The show also did soundwave dirty like why not destroy bumblebee’s ground bridge then fly off to built the transmitter it was cool to see him but got beat way to easily
But I do know this about transformers RID 2015 reboot, that the show is complicated with a mix of anime with cartoon style way. But the truth is, it's still an anime whether y'all believe it or not. Because the U.S. didn't make the show in cartoon way. It's shows this series is really Japanese anime in disguise as a US cartoon-style way as a way of making the show look good. Just like the CGI show of war for Cybertron trilogy. But regardless what anyone says, RID reboot is cool with Optimus prime super mode with the minicon. But is one time only. And bumblebee combined with the team was awesomely cool. I like it!
Megatron himself complements Optimus in episode 2 of TFP. He himself says: "Optimus is not so easily destroyed. We have millennia worth of battles to prove it." Megatron himself knows the capability of Optimus but RID threw it all out the window. But i will say, i found his design in RID kind of cool. With the white and black to differ from his usual look. If only he had the wings... Edit: Just fixed some spelling errors
Like another commenter suggested, if in this series they replaced Optimus with Smokescreen, it would've been 100x better, adding on to that, if it was Optimus training Smokescreen in the realm of Primes and saying something like "While my spark was beginning to ebb after our old base had been destroyed, I had always known you were destined to become a Prime one day Smokescreen, and I had never lost faith in that thought, that being the reason you are here, but, due to your inexperience against fighting a foe like Megatronus, it would be wise for us to train you before you partake in such a fight" that would have made it EVEN better
Bro if sideswipe would be talking like that to a veteran of ww2 he would be beat up so bad. Like did they really think that teaching kids to be disrespectful when around war veterans is a good idea.
@@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon im from finland so the only veterans we have are ww2 veterans which is why I chose ww2 veterans. Over here the veterans are highly respected. I even have a knight of the cross of freedom in my family line but sadly he passed away before I ever could meet him.
@@0wly I mentioned America, mostly because that's were the show was made, but also, they have veterans more integrated in their culture, so the disrespect is felt closer.
small thing, but in the desert episode with the two ice and fire minicons, we find out at the end Optimus was only acting weak in that episode so that the decepticons watching them would target him. he doesn't tell Windblade and Sideswipe this, though, causing more issues because he didn't communicate.
Isn’t this the same Optimus that an army of the undead in transformers prime, surviving the freezing cold for longer than any normal cybertronian could, fought unicron, fought megatron multiple times and even had his base blown up and was still barely functioning but still survived long enough to get his upgrades?
The reason why Optimus Prime was brought back in the original G1 cartoon because kids that saw the original G1 film will outright saddened because of Optimus Primes death, so in order to fix this they brought Optimus Prime back to life
If they wanted to bring back Optimus to life, I would've loved to see them meddle around with dark or synthetic energon and reviving Optimus in an incomplete form. He is there but not truly, he's broken, lost, without some memories, without some of his moral values. Make the old fans feel his pain, him knowing he's supposed to be much more, better, loved but still can't be. And let the new fans see him rise back to his position as the leader of autobots by his actions, by his wisdom in places where others might make immoral decisions or lose their minds.
@@Coco-Loco Whoa! In that case, know that if you watch the '86 Movie and then Season 03 of the original G1 -- you're going to get the pretty similar experience to what you're describing in your comment :)
Now that I think about it, while I heavily agree with this video, the point about The Matrix made me realize Optimus gave the matrix up entirely at the end of TFP. Now, the last time he relinquished the Matrix was when he defeated Unicron in TFP; and he lost his memories starting from when he first got the matrix because of it. Now, with him permanently losing it, he might as well just be a bulky Orion Pax. That part almost explains why Optimus is less experienced, and almost gives him a kind of character arc. Having said that, I am 99% sure this was not planned by Hasbro and just something I came up with to fill in the gaps of several plot holes. Nevertheless, the idea is kind of cool in a show of plot inconsistencies and poorly written characters.
Optimus actually went deep into the war without the matrix. What happened in Transformers Prime is he lost ALL of his memories as prime (Since he was declared "Prime) In R.I.D its more so Optimus is more like the character he was right before he got the matrix. Which is actually decently far into the war
Wow. I like Transformers in general. During your video I realized that it was Peter Cullen as Optimus, and Will Friedle as Bumblebee, and it hurt physically and emotionally to see that this show pit two characters AND two voice actors against each other, when they could have had great chemistry. Something went wrong in development, though I don't know if it was related to the gradual, slumping trend in entertainment we've got roiling on today.
Bee being annoyed at Prime made perfect sense to me. Optimus seemed to continually be trying to take over, whether from habit or thinking Bee was in over his head. After all the trouble Bee had establishing himself as the leader before Prime became a full-time character, I can see where he'd be touchy about it, compounded by how much he respected and admired Optimus. I'm just tired of Prime always having to be written as if every statement of his is some grand pronouncement. Can we have G1 Prime back who would play basketball and crack a joke every now and again?
To be fair g1 was much more silly. Aligned continuity actually treated a plenetary scale war as it should be. With extreme gravity most of the time. This show didn't. Also there is being annoyed because a well written conflict and then THIS.
The problem is that neither of them should have been acting the way they were. Both characters were being out of character for the sake of an artificial scenario.
Imagine undoing one of the only 2 times Optimus's death was actually permanent and was for more than just shock value. I gotta imagine this was corporate's idea.
I think the relationship between Bee and OP is the stereotypical "Young inexperienced generation vs old experienced generation" trope where the *old* generation always have to be wrong
I think they wanted to show Optimus as a like dad who still wanted to with bumblebee like when he was young and bumblebee doesn't want to Optimus to from his pot of view baby him so in bee mind he needs to act super grown up that doesn't need his dad's help and to Optimus bumblebee is pushing him away.📖🐝🚛
Feels like someone young got offended and wanted to replay situation in the show. where they could be right, and experienced one would be wrong. Someone who didn't finish fheir rebllious teenage ark😂
Optimus Prime has always been one of my favorite characters in fiction, in fact, he’s one of my oldest childhood heroes, he’s a great character and a perfect symbol of freedom, he’s one of those characters where even if he’s in something bad, I as well as other people are still gonna love him, he’s just that easy to like and admire, but when he’s portrayed VERY poorly like in RID, that’s where I draw the line, unless he’s done with the upmost respect and care, I don’t see Optimus, I only see a water downed version of him, I want to feel a sense of hope whenever he’s on screen, wether it’d be him giving out words of wisdom, leading his Autobots to victory, letting out inspiring speeches, or even just playing along and cracking a joke, NOT a sense of cringe, embarrassment, or even shame at being a fan of him, and that applies to the entirety of the Transformers franchise as a whole, I will always love Optimus Prime, but only when some form of respect is given to him, even in a different interpretation like say Animated Optimus Prime or Beast Wars Optimus Primal, as long as it’s done well and captures the spirit of the character, my love for Optimus will never fade away, all I’m saying is writers out there should write the character of Optimus Prime, NOT a character who happens to be Optimus Prime
To be fair about Micronis, he hated Megatronus. I have no doubt that Micronis wanted Optimus trained as good as possible to destroy Megatronus. Micronus was super close before Solus before she died, and Megatronus was the one to kill her.
i remember seeing a few episodes of RID 2015 but i fell of once i saw the cringe, i returned every once in a while to see the new designs and the stunticons. I honestly remember disliking the optimas was treated even if, at the time i didn't know why. And seeing your video gain a better understanding of why. I had seen a few episodes of the RB with optimus and i remembered liking them more. The way they treated him there was far superior than RID 2015. I don't know why they turned someone who had been in a war for like what? hundreds of years. And who, in universe not long ago, was a wise and caring father figure. Unless his new body was just that much weaker than his original one.
For the most part, I skipped RID 2015, I only saw the season finales and episodes that conveniently didn't have Optimus in them. Seeing this video has opened my eyes as to how much more awful this show is, I think it's especially telling how a kids show like RB and RBA handle established characters better than this show with a higher budget and production quality(Supposedly). RID had a lot of wasted potential and things like this tell me that the people in charge probably didn't care about the show they were making. Either that or they just weren't skilled enough to write these characters and the story of the show in a compelling way...either scenario doesn't look good.
I felt so blue-balled when we never saw Unicron in his true form in Prime. Also, the Optimus being weak problem could be fixed if Optimus never died at the end of prime, and they write it in as a product of him aging, as he would be an older bot by this point.
That wouldn’t work. Cybertronians have way longer life spans than humans. In some continuities most of the main cybertronian characters including Optimus and Megatron are several million years old. I doubt a few more decades will do much to weaken Optimus.
My personal opinion is that if this show DID NOT follow the TFP continuity, the whole idea of a young inexperienced Optimus would’ve worked AND made it more interesting, but knowing that this is the same optimus that won the war for cybertron outgunned and nearly outmatched makes this show feel like a slap to the face for TFP fans.
Also on a much funnier note, I had to skip through practically every single RID clip you put in this video, because the show frustrates me so much. It is so easy to see why people don’t consider their show canon to prime. They demolished every single one of the character traits of the reoccurring characters. Bulkhead was the most in character, and even he had some flaws. When I say that I don’t think of the show is canon, I just try not to watch it, and pretend it doesn’t exist.
It's important to note that despite a majority of studios and teams involved with Transformers during the Aligned Continuity, some were vocal about their dissatisfaction in trying to make their ideas work with what was written in HasLab's Binder of Revelation, which I believe included the team behind War for Cybertron, the game that ironically started off the Aligned Continuity to begin with. While I don't recall the studio behind RID 2015 sharing the same pessimistic outlook, one can easily draw those same conclusions judging from how they treat any characters returning from Prime, especially Optimus. It can be said that the writers behind RID thought Optimus should have stayed dead after the end of Prime, because the way OP is written gives a strong assertion that they didn't know what to do with him. Hence why I believe the butting heads with Bumblebee during the Deception Island arc was possibly the writers not so subtly venting their frustrations at his inclusion in the show, most likely due to, as you rightfully pointed out in the video, a mandate from an outside source in Hasbro. It's honestly disappointing looking back at this show (as someone who started watching it this year on the official transformers RUclips channel) and seeing the missed potential of an Optimus who is no longer leader of the Autobots. The story potential of him being a wise advisor, or even a sort of Green Ranger to the rest of the team would have been interesting to see. But I suppose it just wasn't meant to be. (EDIT: I just remembered Optimus being brought back in RID could also be due to the fact Rescue Bots was still being aired on TV at the same time, as that show was also made canon to TFPrime and had some crossovers starring both Optimus AND Bumblebee. It's ironic because Rescue Bots would go on to have way more crossovers with RiD 2015 than they had with Prime.)
It's surprising that despite all of the flaws in this show, especially when it comes to characters, the only two characters who weren't watered down when switching from Prime to Robots in Disguise where Starscream and Soundwave. Starscream is still the cunning, dangerous opposition for the Autobots as he usually is, and Soundwave clapped the entire casts asses when he first came back, so do with that what you will.
Here's the really messed up thing: Even if RID2015 wasn't connected to Prime, the biggest problem with the show is that Optimus doesn't work in it. All the ways the cast disrespect him would be awful in any continuity.
RID2015 had a lot of great moments and concepts. They tried to do the G1 Season 3 story right by finding someone worthy of being Leader. As someone who naturally takes charge, I understand when I come into conflict with a similar person. Optimus has definitely lead for millenia, and if you have, I can tell its hard to step aside. Bumblebee is much, much younger than Prime. I'm pretty sure it states in the Alligned Continuity that Bumblebee was one of the last bots that were created by the Well before Prime sent off the AllSpark, meaning that between the start of the war and Bumblebee's "birth" was a very long time. Bumblebee is still a kid in many respects. He's a Teenager rebelling against his authority figure. And to be fair to Bee being whiny, if you lead a team specifically by yourself and suddenly someone comes in and tries to take over, you're gonna get pissed too. But, if I remember correctly, Bee was the one who proposed to Prime a joint-leadership, allowing both to work together to lead the ever growing team without getting in each other's way. As for Prime learning how to defeat Megatronus, just because you have memories of other Primes doesn't mean you instantly unlock the ability to do those things. Optimus training with Micronus was a way to show Prime lessons he had learned but buried down in place of other lessons. It makes sense that he'd need a refresher. On the other hand, the Primes all saw Megatronus as pure evil and ultimate power. But they hadn't seen him since they sealed him away. They had no way of gauging Megatronus' powers, and Prime, although powerful, didn't have the same powers the Primes themselves had. He had the Matrix, but otherwise he was just a normal Autobot. Training him to focus on killing Megatronus (to focus on his mission by disregarding those he intended to help) actually hurt him. Remember, in the final battle it was essentially Prime trying to go it alone, believing that it was his only concern and only he could do it. Team Bee were trying to help but kept getting in the way. The only way they won was by working together. The Primes failed Optimus by forcing him to forget the compassion he had learned in order to kill Megatronus. They were using him. I don't think they were bad iterations, i think the writing team had to tell a cohesive story whilst making a kids show. Lots of pressure, terrible result.
I knew this show was bad, but I didn't know it was THIS bad! Bumblebee _looked up_ to Optimus... Aint no way in heck would he start arguments with him over leadership, and there's no way Optimus would argue back. Holy cow... :(
Biggest problem with RiD 2015 is that it didn't know what it wanted to be. Optimus getting special training in other world to come back and fight The Fallen could've been cool if the show had kept Megatronus around and done more to establish him as a threat but it also wanted to stay a story about Bumblebee and the team arresting Cybertronian criminal villains of the week with a variety of eccentric personalities.
im gonna be 100% honest here, i could not watch the entire segment at 5:20 without skipping through it, the way optimus freaking prime is treated like he just started fighting is ridiculous and feels extremely cringe worthy video is good though, much better than the subject matter being talked about
It needs to neither of those. It needs to be forgotten. They could make a sequel of tfp by showing the life of Cybertron now that predacons, Autobots and Decepticons live together and no longer in war. They could make it like a combination of Cyberverse and transformers prime.
The idea of smokescreen becoming a prime would’ve been a much better alternative than bringing Optimus back. Seeing two relatively inexperienced leaders butting heads would’ve been more interesting to watch.
@@eliasalvessouza4607 Actually, I think he's addressed. See, Grimlock the Dinobot, with his team of Sludge, Snarl, Slag, and Swoop (or whatever their names are) was an experiment of Shockwave's, resulting in the Dinobots team. However, when the Allspark was returned to Primus, he began producing Cybertronian life once more. Among these new beings were Dinobots: not failed experiments, but Cybertronians endowed with Earth-derived forms.
@@longshot9757 I know grimlock's histori but i am talking about the "big brute" concept that he is related too and the show sais the he is useless Just tô make the "team work" be needed otherwise he could Deal with most of the oponents on alone. Get It?
tbh it would have been kind of cool if. 2 ideas 1. Bumblebee gets the matrix - I know that breaks the standard lineage going from Optimus -> Rodimus, but if they want Bee to be a leader and the star of the new show, it really looks like the best option. (This is not really something i'd want in any other continuity, but the specifics of the Uniend cluster make it far more reasonable. Hot Rod is like, a noncharacter in aligned haha.) By giving Bee the Matrix, that allows Optimus to show up as a sort of Matrix-ghost and communicate with Bumblebee; i'd like some cryptic ass shit that bee needs to learn to decipher for aesthetic reasons, but either way, that allows Optimus to play a role while not stepping on the lead's toes. Instead of forcing himself into a head position, he is waiting for Bumblebee to require assistance, and imparting wisdom and knowledge when necessary. The idea of a new matrix-bearer needing to learn the ins and outs of bearing the Matrix of Leadership is a nice idea - it's a mix of learning his own lessons, and of learning to hear and understand the lessons from those who came before him. You can even have cool Matrix-induced dreams; he gets to see Optimus again which comes with a range of emotions. This also is incredibly useful in the whole Megatronus stuff; The Matrix contains the wisdoms of the Thirteen - it contains the thoughts of Megatronus himself, it would absoloutely aid in so many battles, especially this one. Know thy enemy. There can be subplots of Optimus learning how to be a Matrix ghost, getting that R&R he's been needing for the past few million years, and finally being able to pass the torch which um. He's clearly been looking forward to, cough cough that one scene with Smokescreen in TFP. 2. i've forgor
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OK that’s just plain mean to Optimus prime
11:06 He is secretly a psychopathic control freak
maybe you could do a video about rescue bots or RBA they have really great writing.
And bumblebee never wanted to become a prime or leader. Instead smockscreen wanted.
Almost every Transformer in TFP are survivors of war. They should NOT be treating the leader of their faction as a JOKE and neither should the writers
And Is not just the leader of your faction but the chosen one of your very god and the one who Made the great of sacrifises in order to restore your world
As someone who grew up with Transformers Prime,
"Look how they massacred my boy."
That line is basically the best description of any series (or franchise) that goes on for long enough.
I grew up with Thomas and friends first and foremost then went on to transformers prime in my pre-teens, I've suffered. I stuck by both of them and, yeah, I wish it wasn't this bad, but it sadly is.
yep
the first time i watched this show and i realized my bbg optimus was being trained by a smart ass prime i hated it. and why did they nerf him bruh.
Man correct me if i am blind what happened to optimus at the end of robots in disguise?
Same mman
I personally believe that they should've reincarnated Optimus instead of just bringing him back from the dead. Imagine if we get introduced to a new and inexperienced character like an Orion Pax 2.0 but we slowly over the episodes of the show discover he was Optimus in his past life and watch him accept the title/name. I hope this isn't too confusing or weird.
I thought that this will happen for sure after optimus sacrifices and he is a new bot. Eventually rachet will realise that he is optimus and teaches him
Arachned could have attacked cybertron with its zombies and prime will be there to save them.
Either that or Ultra Magnus would be a better choice, since Magnus didn't had a chance in TFP to participate in missions while saving humans like most of the cast, him being trained to fight Megatronus/Fallen while being weaker then Optimus in TFP and being more naive would make much more sense.
Imagine if they made his reincarnation Hot Rod and that led him up to be Rodimus?
@@Randomvideos-yr6cc arachnid is a vampire she more than likely died with no more insecticons
I honestly feel bad for Peter Cullen and his time on this project. I can't imagine the pain and frustration he must've felt when he had to witness Optimus being character assassinated and went from the wise, respectful leader in TF:P to a rookie who acts like an old man and acts immature at times.
You can tell Peter Cullen was phoning it in as well in the recording booth. He knows Optimus like the back of his hand, and to see him be reduced to a bland shell of himself is just plain wrong.
Why didn’t he walk away when he saw how they were going to ruin his character, tell them to get someone else to voice Optimus if they were going to character assassinate him?
@geeebuttersnap2433 maybe he just loves voicing OP? Who knows?
@@lokirae3Probably
I mean, he already had to endure the crap the Bayformers films threw at Optimus, so this was nothing new for him.
Optimus in TFP was literally about to relinquish leadership and the Matrix of Leadership to Smokescreen. In RID, he’s incapable of accepting anyone besides himself as being the leader.
that scene where Sideswipe insults Optimus and his stories, and calls him Pops bother me so much, not because sideswipe disrespected him, that's fine, but for Optimus's answer to him. He angrily says ''You may call me Optimus Prime, or Optimus, those are your only two options'' and leaves, an irritated old man asking for respect but failing at being respectful.
While I feel Optimus would have understood Sideswipe and gave him a valuable lesson, like ''I understand old stories can be meaningless and boring to young bots, but knowing about the past is important for your generation to not make the same mistakes we did, with our knowledge you can be better than us.''
That would have let Sideswipe with nothing to complain about, and would be a wise answer of someone who knows he comes from an older time.
Wow…and the fact that I read that in Peter cullen’s voice it shows that it is what Prime’s Optimus would say
I read it in Peter Cullen’s voice and… wao dude…
You definitely got that spot on
That's an amazing line
You know their writing had problems when a fan does better writing
A cybertronian being possessive of the team and pushing himself as leader is something youd expect from starscream
"Optimus has got dementia. I, Bumblebee, am now the leader of the Autobots!"
thats actually sounds like him
@@pc_suffering6941 this made me laugh so much
@@pc_suffering6941 "Autobots, follow meeeeeee"
Very funny good joke.😂🐝
Hearing Optimus say “Please help me!” That pathetically AND it being Peter Cullen just hurts. Never is the PRIME meant to ask for help in such a stupid setting. It’s sad, after rewatching TFP lately and seeing him in the supposed ‘sequel’ make him look this pathetic…
I agree, im one of the people that kinda likes robots in disguise but i can admit as a transformers show its alright but as a sequel to TFP its not's that good, i know we rag on michael bay but even he treated optimus prime with more respect.
@@ebonkinght true
I personally thought that line was well acted, especially since it went against his previous characterization and it's good to show vulnerability in leaders, but the show handled everything all wrong. This should have been something he said to bumblebee during a time of strife between the team. Perhaps they had a relationship destroying argument and bumblebee is rebelling / ignoring him in order to prove himself and Optimus gets in a situation that he can't get out of and he has to ask bumblebee for help. However it has an effect on bumblebee that's unexpected; bumblebee realizes he should have handled everything from the beginning with more maturity than what he has been as his behavior forced Optimus to beg, essentially, forcing the show to finally mature the character, but after the Fixit episode where they just let the little guy self-harm because they prefer a servant over a capable security bot, I lost all respect for the show and the people behind it. Absolutely inexcusable behavior and an awful, dangerous lesson to teach children.
@@NoirRaven Nothing about the show is great
@@ebonkinght the show would be alright if it was a seperate universe, but the fact that this is supposed to be canon.... No.
What I personally believe is that the writers behind TFRID shouldn’t have changed parts of characters from TFP just to make the story more convenient for them to write. That’s not how a sequel works, you can’t just retcon half of the thing you’re making a sequel of, you’re meant to write around the events of it!
yeah and to be honest if the age of primes was over why didn't Optimus just remove the Matrix of leadership and drop it down the well? it is after all a relic of primus so the all spark would be bonded to that then he would return to Orion but still had all the knowledge he had as Optimus
or even after defecting Megatronus (who I still think was a copy made by Liege maximo) not only had the power he borrowed taken back but was returned to his old Orion pax body then both he and Bumblebee can learn from the other and help each other.
@@zara-hope5518he all spark was fused with his spark as well as the matrix so he couldn’t get rid of it without sacrificing himself.
🐝 and the 🚛
@@zara-hope5518 that sounds interesting buddy.📝📖
@@Noctober-viewing Uh…ratchet how’s that spark reverse glue looking? (😂😂😂)
RID15 changed so much from TFP because they were aiming for a younger demographic, yet Rescue Bots and Rescue Bots Academy, both of which are intended PRESCHOOL AGE children, were more consistent with TFP's lore and characterisation, as well featuring better character growth and relationships. That's just pathetic of RID15.
Imagine if they took the idea of making Smokescreen the next Prime, and he being trained by the Primes instead of Optimus, then strugling with Bee's team, to become a great leader
Definitely would've been a greater idea than what we got and why not just do with Optimus like in ep 1 of rid15 when only bumblebee saw optimus face in the lake like a guiding spirit or something, they never had to bring back optimus to reduce his sacrifice there are so many other ways like you said by continuing the smokescreen prime idea
Cool idea. It can tie back to how Smokescreen's arc to maturity had him not accept the Matrix and choosing to repair Optimus instead.
That sounds interesting.❤😊
my guess is, they wanted to avoid the rodimus prime situation
@@theducksarecoming that sounds interesting theory.💭🤖
Transformers prime is one of the few times Optimus Prime’s death actually meant something, Optimus Prime is my favourite transformers character, but because of how much the fans grew attached to G1 prime and how his death affected people, so (pretty much, but not all) deaths are just to recreate that iconic moment, but he mainly just dies for “shock” value, then he’s back, most of the time he gets brought back very soon after his death, but Prime Optimus and another incarnation (who I won’t spoil because it’s not relevant to the continuity and video and others might not know) are some of the few who’s death has meaning and half of which were permanent, and that made me love those incarnations, those primes have a fully concluded character arc, with a beginning, middle and end, but RID just robs Aligned prime of his sacrifice and the end of his character arc, it just does not sit well with me
I will say, the initial concept of a aging Optimus Prime who isn’t in his Prime (budum tish) is a interesting concept for the character, hell, I’m even interested in the concept of Optimus not being the leader and being more of the wise sage / moral centre of the group, but the handling of the concept isn’t done well at all
I think it would've been cooler if a different prime got resurrected that isn't megatronus, or use megatronus and make a different final villain
I like the idea of Old Man Optimus,
most of all cause in his down time he might be able to let loose and relax once and awhile, aligned optimus of all incarnations forcefully keeps his emotions in check a lot. He deserves a peaceful retirement.
@@kennethsatria6607 G1, Robots In Disguise 2001,The Unicron Trilogy and Animated had each a fun loving Optimus
@@kennethsatria6607 the idea of old Optimus Prime is a great avenue that hasn't been explored that often. The dude could slowly begin to leave the leadership role and fall into a mentor position, like his old friend Alpha Trion, and it'd come full circle for him.
@@inesatt1313 Yeah but they still had war responsibilities, and G1 might be too lighthearted compared to modern incarnations where the war felt like a war.
I’m an awful writer but one rule I know for sure is you should never bring back a beloved character of a franchise and bring down his character to build the new characters up
Same, as a writer myself, I would've preferred if he was kept dead. Sacrificing a character is one thing, reviving them and disrespecting their character is another.
And yet writers who just LOVE to pull that trick were paid to write for massive movies. Oh, the irony.
The Headmasters anime certainly was a good case of that. :)
Just look at the sequel trilogy for example
Oh, hell, I hoped it wasn't true, but I wondered if Optimus was an early victim of 'he's a strong legacy character, tear him down to let our better characters take over!' that later afflicted Star Wars or Picard. Ugh.
A good way to still show Bee as being a better leader than Optimus is for it to be because the teams are different. Have Optimus trying to have the Bee team fill the same roles as the Prime team and failing as Optimus isn't used to their dynamic. Like he has Bumblebee do his scouting thing which goes well, but then have Strongarm try to do something Arcee or Rachet would have done. Have Bee be hesitant to speak up as he's never had to question Optimus' tactics before. Have it be a arc where both actually learn something. Optimus would learn that he needs to put more trust into Bee as he is no longer just his scout, but a honorable leader. Bee can learn that he needs to speak up for both himself and others even if the other person has good intentions. This could even lead into the Future of Cybertron arc (aka Deception Council) as before that Bee would just think that they probably had a good reason for the things they did. It could have been done so much better and have been actually good!
I like this constant lot as where this show went with its story arc.❤😊
But Optimus had a lot of people he worked with. He surely can find an approach to any team and any person. That's his wisdom is for. There is no possible situation where less experienced and younger leader could be better than wiser and experienced one. Expect for dementia🤣 It's just absurd
@@Иная exactly he'd only need a few days to learn how to team dynamic worked and then he'd be able to switch it up on the fly but then again this is an Optimus prime this is optimal primo the $3 discount version
@@mr.breadman4181 The sad part is.. All they had to do was just have Optimus Prime return as Orion Pax. All of the lessons he's given? It's because he doesn't remember being Optimus, doesn't have the matrix of leadership. He's got bits and pieces, sure.. but then all of his misteps get explained by "Dude is being called a prime but doesn't even remember fighting Megatron"
They literally could’ve just swapped most of Prime’s role for Ultra Magnus. Them arguing over leadership would make a lot more sense, and as for the 13 primes stuff, just make it so Magnus also sees Optimus in a vision, goes to the planets core to train with O.P and Micronus while the Bee team takes on runaway con’s on earth. Same main plot, same villains, same overall story. Just makes a bit more sense now.
Also, I wish the series had an episode where the team had to capture a gang of Vehicons. It could be pretty entertaining as, unlike in TFP, their goal is to capture, not kill. Besides that would take only two Character models with a few recolours for that.
That sounds interesting buddy.🥰💭📝🧾📑📖📚
Magnus was also pretty thrashed by the end of tfp. Him being weaker makes a lot of sense.
Tfp: Optimus literally had a sad sacrifice with a happy ending. Literally almost killed Megatron in the end of Transformers prime season 1.
Rid: Optimus literally just gets brought back alive and doesn’t have a reason why he returned. Literally gets blasted and needed to be trained.
(Look at how they massacred my prime)
Bet if a RID decepticon touches him he will fall
Transformers Movie:
Optimus Tried To Sacrifice Himself to destroy the cube on TF1
Optimus Died to save Sam and to try to stop Decepticons on TF2
@@ArthurBr1000Oficial Let’s try not to bring the movies here.
@@guest9243 at least he didn't mention last night
@@rachetsamuraijj9203 Definitely not that one.
I feel like Prime's training arc COULD'VE worked. The idea of a long dead warrior / hero having to re-learn or train to return to their peak after years or even eons of drifting around in the afterlife making them rusty sounds like an interesting concept to me. It's just that they did prime so dirty that it hurts
Making him weaker could work,they didn't have to make him an idiot tho,he should've still been wise
It could have worked. But defiantly not with the way they did him/
"My circuits won't do as I say fast enough, this is intolerable"
"Optimus, you have been frozen for eons, most of your micro processors has to be replaced, your cache stored was wiped long ago, even the circuits you have left are either molten from you over heating them or damaged from the temperature fluctuations. You need to build your fighting cache up by scratch"
@@JohnWick-rh1zz i completely agree. the making him weaker part and slowly returning to his original prime state wouldve worked, but they made him look foolish by some of his speech. i agree man
If they want to do that then put him back in his old body, and make him a disabled veteran. It's reasonable for him to have some frustration, and it's Even more so reasonable for him to have PTSD. But write that story, don't write him as a rookie. No he does not need to climb the damn hill. Make bumblebee do it. Make him learn what it means to be a prime. Prime literally already knows. He could be learning how to be something else. A Wiseman.
There was an easy way to solve this: Don't show Prime that often, have him come in every once in a while to give some advice or something, and then go away to fight some bigger foe we don't know about. It could even be a minor character in the mythos, like Devil Z.
So essentially make him Gandalf from the Hobbit
Or they could give him the DBZ "Goku" type role, where they have Optimus just come and beat the actual enemies when it's needed.
I mean, he already does that in the finale of season 1
@@piratenerdz1602 Or Avatar Roku from ATLA.
yes, simply let the audience's imaginations and reverence for Optimus Prime do the heavy lifting. Albus Dumbledore is rarely seen in the Harry Potter books, but he is a well-established, rather revered, sagely character.
The more you show off your revered character, the more chances you have to fuck it up and drop the character into the mud, tarnishing them with your bad writing.
Rescue Bots is an unironically good show. I stumbled across it a couple times on TV and would always stick around to watch. Simple, but solid, and with a kick-ass intro song.
I'm not really sure why but I absolutely love rescue bots. It's just cool seeing new faces and even though it's targeted towards a younger audience, it's actually really entertaining
🎶A routine patrol with 4 bots in stasis, years later awoke in the strangest of places. Earth was their home now, and in addition; Optimus Prime gave them this mission: "Learn from the humans, serve and protect. Live in their world, earn their respect. A family of heroes will be your allies, to others remain robots in disguise" RESCUE BOTS! ROLL TO THE RESCUE! HUMANS IN NEED, HEROES INDEED! RESCUE BOTS, ROLL TO THE RESCUE! Res-cue Bots! With Cody to guide them and show them the way, rescue bots will be saving the day! Rescue bots, roll to the rescue! Rescue bots!🎶
I typed all this from memory
I grew up watching the show. It cemented my love for transformers tbh
@@lokirae3 🥲Maybe ill rewatch the show for old times sake
TFP Optimus: *Can fight his way through an army of terrorcons and 1V1 Unicron himself*
RiD Optimus: I've fallen, and I can't get up!
The kids screaming outside my house right now are more pleasant to listen to than watching Robots in Disguise
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No lies
Shark Tale is better than this
No
Agreed
I feel like Optimus is disrespected in the show. They could have done something like they did in the Orion pax episodes where the All spark being sacrificed corrupted his memory, since the core of Primus was polluted with dark Energon. They didn’t have to remove all his memory’s but it would atleast account for his inexperience.
That sounds like a neat idea kinda like cybervrrse thou
This would have been so interesting plot!
Or, the dark energon corrupted his spark and make him the villain, like TLK but better
*memories (seriously?)
I read that as Oricon
I feel by far the worst sin of this depiction is making Optimus too prideful to admit his mistakes. Prime always made a point of showing that Optimus was as fallible as anyone else and could make mistakes, but he would always admit to such things and they clearly weighed heavily upon him. If they had just tweaked it as Optimus feeling like he had to live up his image as a great leader so that the others wouldn't despair, it would have been much improved.
Imagine how hard it is to write a leader who openly refuses to have fun ever and keep him likable. Of course he's happy to see his people happy, but why does he go for a drive and shut does efforts to bond on sillier levels? It's not because he's a killjoy. He does so with great sadness but resolve that it's not his place to goof off. Not anymore. In the best circumstances he's still a watchdog. He must be on alert so his men and the kids can continue to have fun during down time. It's all the more essential to him. Primes aren't built that way.
Honestly would’ve been cool if Arcee, Ratchet, and Bulkhead lead their own team alongside Bees team and we could see how these groups interact off each other as they protect their own parts of the world. Bees team protecting the Northern side, Acrees team in the west, Bulkhead’s in the south and lastly Ratchets in the east. And we see how these teams react to their new environments, having to be their own leaders and building a bond and discovering new things about their own teammates they never even knew. Hell this could’ve even be given a cool name called, TRANSFORMERS: WORLD PROTECTION SQUADRON. Protecting every part of the earth and capturing any Decepticons that escaped. Would’ve been amazing
0:15 I am a devoted transformers prime fan, and I honestly thought that robots in disguise was okay, it wasn't amazing but I thought the characters were decent, the story was episodic but it had it's moments, and the call backs and cameos were pretty neat
As much as Bayverse Optimus is getting shit on as a warrior psychopath, he still had more sense to him than Robots in Disguise Optimus. That one is a real disgrace to who Optimus is across all media.
He even took down the Fallen by himself, with the help of Jetfire of course, may he forever be remembered as a noble Autobot for his sacrifice. Robots in disguise Optimus didn't finish him off as his movie counterpart.
For me his grafic way of fighting makes sense. Imagine what happens to mind after hundreds of battles
I never understood what went wrong with this show. I was so looking forward to a Prime-sequel with an older Jack, Miko, Raf and so on (the humans) but in the end, they downgraded everything about RiD.
What pissed me off the most was the fact that they don't even reference Jack, Miko or Raph at all....Also for a show thats supposed to be a continuation of TFP, they do little to nothing to answer what happened to the characters from TFP and where they are during RID. Arcee? Gone. Smokescreen? Forgotten. Knockout, Arachnid, SHOCKWAVE? Dropped from the story entirely...but they had the balls to bring back Starscream and Soundwave and a knockoff Megatron...
@@ArcticWolf00Alpha0
It's honestly really sad. I would love to see TFP Shockwave again, he's simply the most badass scientist in al Transformers, but he's basically gone, and even if they bring him back they will probably wash him down into a very basic and childish version of himself.
I think the transformers prime show is the literal prime of transformers animated franchises. Now, that form of media is reaching into it's senior citizen age of life. The Netflix shows beginning with WfC is the closest we'll get to the genius that is TFP, but they were 100% made as love letters to the original cartoons. I mean, they went all the way back to the G1 aesthetic for WfC. I haven't watched it's sequels yet, so I can't speak about the character designs in those.
@@ArcticWolf00Alpha0 Don't remind me of Soundwave, after "transforming him to a RiD character" they made him uuuuseless! It looked like he got worse (battle-wise and character-wise, and the design was a 5 for me), not like a second battle against a villain, no no, worse!
@@ArcticWolf00Alpha0 actually the show does mention Jack, miko and Raf but only once. When bee waw stuck in the shadow zone he tried to recall how our 3 main teenage tf prime protagonist got out of the shadow zone. However that doesn't fix things when they don't do returning characters justice
I heard that even Peter Cullen hated the voice lines that he was given and the change of character that Optimus underwent between tfp and rid
I thought it was the movie lines he dislike.
Where’s you hear that? I only heard him being annoyed with how bloodthirsty Bayverse prime was
Maybe I got it confused but I thought or I once thought i saw something that said he was slightly annoyed by how idiotic this prime was
@@warknightxl2167 he didn’t like bumblebee
I can definitely hear some of that in his voice.
Optimus in RiD: i CaN't HaNdLe ThIs BaTtLe
Optimus in TP: I'll take you all on!
I am actually shocked by how Bee talks to Prime in RID, TFP Bee would never talk like that, he is literally as loyal as Ratchet to Prime, and loves him like a young boy loves his father
Plus
The way they did dirty Bumblebee on this show it outrageous
He when from a badass awesome character to a joke
Hard proof of this I love referring to is bumblebee fighting skyquake
This show massacred any emotions Prime built up the bee in this one is an entirely different character than prime (notice he never mentions Ralph ever and the fact he’s insecure somehow despite that being against his entire character of prime ) not to mention the whole plot of the show is after cybertron is restored it gets ruled by another corrupt council I wonder why the millions year old war started hmm oh and it’s revealed they were decepticons the whole time utterly embarrassing how badly this show destroyed what prime left it
@@seasons1745 Well he did mentioned Ralph….ONCE along with Miko and Jack but that’s it only just a name drop
@@seasons1745 I mean bee was insecure once in prime (that I can think of). When he lost his part that allows transformers to transform and attack. Tcog?
@@no_0riginality937 yeah that was really annoying, I get that he might've attempted to visit them off screen since they weren't the focus of the show but come on,it hasn't been that many years since the war ended maybe 5 years max, so why don't we even know where the kids are that question should've been answered
Optimus prime is supposed to be 9 million years old. And even if he had a 1000 years of battle experience he should be able to pass the test fairly easily.
This issue has been addressed very nicely in this video.
The test was rigged from the start.
Fr he should have passed that test with flying colors 😭
I'll never get over how much this series flubbed it
It makes you wonder why they bothered making it a sequel at all
Isn't it obvious? Money.
@@occam7382 Kung fu panda also has this issue where they make series sequels without watching the previous series, so they make a ton of continuity errors, and the more series they do the worse it gets, the more recent one is the worst, since not only it does not follow anything of what the previous series have stabilished, but it also is supposed to be a sequel to the last movie and disowns everything that came in the last movie too.
The writers didnt even CARE to watch AT LEAST the MOVIES to make that crap!
Robots in disguise is really similar in that aspect...
@@huntercraft5674, yep. Hit the nail right on the head.
@Jack Walker never.
I mean, if you can have a fic writer do an insanely better job, then decide they didn't do well enough and begin a rewrite that further improves the fic... Well, you might wanna rethink who you hired to write your plot.
If they wanted Bee to be front and center in the show, they should've left Optimus dead and had him be a spiritual guide for Bee to help him overcome the difficulties and hardships of leading a team and bring Optimus back as a spirit in the final battle against the main enemy as a spirit to help give Bee strength
Amen on Cyberverse. That was a great example of a Transformers show with great writing. It's entertaining for all ages, particularly and specifically because it was not written in a way that insults the intelligence of the target audience. RiD 2015 is an example of the story being too watered down for children to the point where it makes me want to gouge my own eyes out, Netflix WFC is an example of the story trying so hard to be mature that it just comes off as pretentious and annoying in my opinion. Prime, Rescue Bots, and Cyberverse are examples of writing that manages to balance "childish" and "mature" that it maintains a long shelf life.
In my opinion, RID does not even deserve to be called a sequel to TFP.
Rid 2015 is weird, its supposed to be a sequel to prime but is very difrent, as if they wanted to make a original show but forced to connect to the prime continuity.
@@justinarzola4584 yeah..not gonna lie because of that show, i kinda hate bumblebee a little bit just because he's so rude to Optimus
@@jewalynx5440 yeah you would think he would be more appreciative of Optimus after everything they did in prime.
This show is so weird and is VERY disconnected from the stuff that happened in TFP. I thought it was a cool idea for Bumblebee (my favorite Autobot. Animated, Prime and Bumblebee movie versions being the best ones to me) taking up the leadership role but the way RiD handled it was not good.
It's amazing how the Rescue Bots shows - shows made for literal toddlers - had more respect for Optimus than the sequel to TFP.
Really, how Optimus is portrayed in RiD 2015 is a symptom of arguably the biggest problem with the show: The characters. The pre-established characters who appear often feel completely at odds with how they were actually portrayed in the previous show. They are either completely different or certain aspects of them have been flanderized to the point where they became nothing more than archetypes.
And the new characters never get a chance to shine because the status quo keeps resetting their development, making any investment into them completely pointless. It's telling that the best arc in the show was the Starscream arc because it actually felt like the character was still the same character from the previous show.
I hate when shows make a character learn something in one episode, and then the next episode they are back to needing to learn that. Literally every episode of RID was this
Agreed with the Starscream arc. that was literally the only time ANY of the characters were how they were originally portrayed in Prime. Starscream is just being Starscream. Bumblebee is messing with him like all the autobots in Prime, and Optimus is very serious and trying to be more tactical to accommodate his handicap, like he did in Prime whenever he'd have one [minus how RID still found a way to make a mockery of him].
I think the show's biggest problem is laziness, which leads to every other problem. I remember right before it premiered, someone on Twitter asked the director (? or producer? something like that) what had happened to Megatron, since the last we saw him (end of TFP) he had just flown away.
His answer: "I don't know."
Isn't it literally the writer's job to figure that out?? Shouldn't a writer be EXCITED to figure that out? RID15 feels like it was created by someone who hates writing, Transformers, or both.
@@heckyeahponyscans Those writers were lazy because they clearly didnt read the original story properly nor watched the show they were MAKING A SEQUEL FOR, so they came up with this good concept of grandpa Optmus but executed it like crap
Yeah, not a fan of Robot of Disguise (2015), it’s the worst modern Transformers show ever
And I thought the War for Cybertron Netflix series disrespected Prime, at least there it was from bad writing and not other characters, the writers REALLY phoned it in, didn't they?
I have only watched the first few (not even quite all of the first series) episodes of War for Cybertron, and I was loving it. What, to you, is the issue with Optimus in that show?
@@TMS-Oddbot You'll get what I mean by episode 12
@@pancho855
Isn't that the last episode of the first series?
@@TMS-Oddbot An alternative label for that one is Earthrise Ep.6
@@pancho855
Ah okay. I began doubting my memory that each of the "series" is less than 10 episodes.
I just rewatched the entirety of the TFP because my little brother discovered it and I got hooked again and finished all the episodes and, right now, the movie without him haha. This was the transformers I grew up on and it was my FAVORITE show besides The Clone Wars. So every episode and moment of the movie came back and hit me ten fold and watching Optimus sacrifice himself the way I remembered almost brought me to tears. He’s my favorite character and I love him dearlyyyy. Obviously I was a lot younger when I watched it for the first couple times, so I don’t think Robots in Disguise was out or I just hadn’t heard of it.
Imagine my sincere surprise when I finish the movie and see a new series pop up with my boy Optimus back from the dead!! I know many fans roll their eyes when popular characters come back as the video said, but I can’t help be happy I get to see him in action again :)
WHICH IS WHY- I would like to personally thank this creator for posting this video I randomly found right now, having just finished the movie, and preventing me from continuing to watch Robots in Disguise. I would have only been saddened and purified by what they have done to my childhood hero💔 God bless you and let’s all remember the REAL Prime who forever lives in our hearts😊❤️💙
Yeah, I'm the same way I grew up with prime and clone wars, and like 6 years ago, I found out about what they did in rid how they disregarded all the humans and butchered all of the characters I once loved and now I treat it the way all pacific rim fans treat the new movie, it just doesn't exist lmao
Bumblebee would never talk to Optimus this way
Right I hate rid
Honestly, when I first watched this show as an 11 year old kid, I wasn't really big into it, I kinda like some parts of it, but overall I much prefer TF Prime for reasons I would like to point out.
1. The writers themselves have respect for both kids and adults.
2. Kids around 7 - 13 year old don't like crappy cartoons, so the writers give them a great cartoon show that refuses to talk down kids.
3. Great role models for anyone including kids can look up too.
4. Great animation.
5. Great messages/lessons to learn.
6. Clever comedy that younger and older people can laugh.
7. Characters that are likable, relatable, interesting and believable.
I can name more, but that is about it. I am not sure if anyone would agree to this, but I highly recommend anyone including kids to watch Transformers Prime, as it is a great TV series to watch, especially as a whole family than RID 2015.
8. Arcee was crush material
But really they brought back Prime probably to avoid getting kids crying all over again and probably for toys too
@@Frost_T_Flakes I mean, I am not ashamed to admit this. I have always loved TFP Arcee and I had a huge crush on her as a 8 year old boy due to how hot, interesting and badass she was.
Damn bro you missed the legendary soundtracks which carried the weight of their actions
Wow I’m 11 and I still know this show is sh*t.
I can’t believe how Optimus treated like this. I was pretty surprised that he comes back out of nowhere, though he sacrificed himself in the last series (TFP). And it was only the series that Bee disrespected Optimus because he wasn’t experienced though he was trained, but in a horrible way. We, true TF fans hate to see our beloved main character always suffer for stupid reasons.
The treatment of optimus and the bickering between him and bumblebee left a very bitter taste to me. Seeing optimus struggling to do anything and needing to be trained just felt wrong. And Bumblebee constantly whining & agruing about being a better leader got under mine skin fast.
Having a aging Optimus isn't a bad idea, but having him struggle was just terrble, Heck G1 Kup, Energon Bulkhead and Vector Prime are all older bots but could still put up some good fights while giving words of wisdom towards the others.
Sometimes I think Bumblebee should have his voice box permanently broken
@@theredguy4043
I agree sometimes I had a hard time believing he's the same bumblebee from TF prime who was far more likeable and killed Megatron.
Don't forget Ratchet in Prime--I believe this was even touched upon with the Synth-En episode (though it's admittedly been a while, I may be misremembering.). I think the same is true of him in Animated, though admittedly I'm not very familiar with that incarnation of the character.
@@katherinepurvin7802
Yes it's weird seeing that Ratchet is in Robots in Disguise, but for some reason they apparently gave Optimus Ratchet's old personality.
@@katherinepurvin7802
Also, Ratchet in Animated is portrayed as very grumpy. I do prefer Prime in these respects. Ratchet truly was the old grumpy grandpa in Animated, but he definitely has the more experience. A lot of his experience is as a medic, and he is pretty respected for that experience, even asked about what it was like having been in the war on Cybertron.
Optimus may have sacrificed himself at the end of prime but remember
He said the matrix of leadership (mol) had the allspark’s energy in it so he has to go to the core to reunite it
And Optimus said ”the primes rescued me BEFORE my spark was extinguished” so he was basically in his pre-prime state = Orion pax
I also wanted to know what happened to Jack, Miko, and especially Raphael (you know since the series focuses so heavily on Bumble Bee, and Raphael was his partner, but we have no idea what happened to him or any of the humans)
I used to like this show when I was younger because I didn't know that Prime existed, I didn't know that it was a sequel to an even better series😂. Watching RID 2015 now after watching Prime for the first couple of times, I can understand why people hate it so much.
I understand a few points of why people hate it from the show: lack of creativity, primes resurrection, inability to keep the tone, and the severe downgrade of characters. But now I'm seeing a lot more points that don't exactly add up to me
I watched as a kid but didnt liked because was so much goofier than the other series. When i discovered that this was a sequel of my favorite transformers series, i shouted the loudest WTF of my life
Yeah true I watched rid15 before watching prime, and as a kid rid was one of my daily watch shows, but after watching prime while I don't hate rid, it's a horrible sequel
I'm glad during 2015 My tv broke down for 2 years and I switched to phone and internet was costly so I didn't knew about RID at all
They could have made a show with Smokescreen instead of Bumblebee trying to become a leader like Optimus once did.
I joked about that all the time. Bumblebee (RiD2015) was just Smokescreen recolored.
That would make more sense as optimus almost made smokescreen the next prime
@@CT-1735 He was chosen by the Matrix (I don't think Optimus actually had much input), but didn't want to accept it--and then that thread was promptly dropped once OP was healed. It would have been interesting to see more of that conflict, given that it technically makes him a Prime-in-waiting.
@@katherinepurvin7802 that would've been cool
@@katherinepurvin7802 Actually that would’ve make a lot more sense and probably explains why Bee acts like him in this show rather than how he was on prime
Micronus was treating prime like animated optimus 💀
Robots in Disguise Optimus: *demoted to scrub*
Transformers Prime Optimus: *robustimus god of war*
Also 4:35 😂😂😂 If Starscream was like that to Megatron, HE’D BE WHOOPED ALL OVER THE FLOOR😂
RID (2015) Optimus would’ve been better off as a minor character, season 1 should of just had him as a spirt adviser to Bumblebee and support for the final battle against Megatronus. It would be much more emotional as well if it was the final time that he could communicate with Bee and him disappearing forever would show that he had moved on to finally rest.
They could actually write Optimus sacrifice that make some sense, and make him non experienced at once so he need training. Like Prime series even say how, wipe his memories, make him clean slate that need to be prepared to be himself once more. That way also would make Bee actually have ground for dont wanting to follow this new Optimus, and instead take charge himself.
You spoiled Transformers Prime To me 😥
@@ArthurBr1000Oficial this show is 10+ years old, why haven’t u watched it yet?
@@D4lw3z Becuz I don't have much time to watch, i am a game maker, RUclipsr, RUclipsr Image Editor and more...
@@ArthurBr1000Oficial I mean, i posted this comment in video that is also spoiling parts of the show. Also in prime they didnt really done much how i say outside of whole losing memories
@@AsterTheSpy Optimus Truck on Transformers PRIME is a joke
One of the most frustrating things about making RID a sequel to Prime, is KNOWING how capable and understanding Optimus was in Transformers Prime. He was the MC after all, so he had to be amazing… but when sequels disrespect the original MC to boost new ones, I always feel disrespected and offended. It’s the same reason I wasn’t a huge fan of the Sequel Trilogy or the new Terminator movie. I don’t hate the idea of having Optimus having an arc that is about letting go of control and allowing people he inspired to take the lead, but they didn’t have to make him so pathetic to do that. It’s hard to believe RID Optimus is the same guy as Prime Optimus when he’s always so Out of character.
All of your points are very accurate. And the OP problem as you name it is truly the main reason why I couldn’t finish the series. I stopped halfway through season 2.
This was my first real introduction to Transformers, and now watching this, this show feel like a middle finger to transformers fans. Old and new.
Diminishing one does not elevate another. That seems to be the overall mistake Robots in Disguise made.
Diminishing Optimus did not elevate Bumble Bee.
The only thing I didn't like about Optimus in this show was his fights with Bumbelbee over who is the better leader. Optimus would never do that since he truly believes in Bumbelbee's capabilities. His fights with Bumbelbee made him look immature and childlish. Optimus is not like that. Also, I hightly agree that Optimus didn't need those training sessions with Micronus Prime. He was a leader for milions of years, he damn knows how to fight! I love Optimus but I believe the creators could've done better with his character.
Like if you agree.
Bumblebee in this show isn't bumblebee.....more like lipstick on a pig
@@Designsecrets Honestly, I would've prefered Bumbelbee to stay that litle adorable "baby" he was in Tf.p.
I still feel that Micronus only existed because RID15 needed an excuse to showcase “Minicons”. Else it could’ve been goddamn Alpha Trion.
@@cakefrosting6451 agree
@@ladyeva9398 It was just bad writing....to make a point by people that didn't give 2 sh*ts about the show. It's kinda sad that they thought to make bumble bee better, he had to compete against prime.....makes no sense, but it is what it is.
The only parts of RID15 I liked is when old prime characters showed up for an episode or season final. While it’s labeled as a continuation of prime it sure as hell doesn’t feel like one especially Optimus and bumblebee. The show also did soundwave dirty like why not destroy bumblebee’s ground bridge then fly off to built the transmitter it was cool to see him but got beat way to easily
And Soundwave nearly soloed all of primes team, Soundwave was OP in prime!
But I do know this about transformers RID 2015 reboot, that the show is complicated with a mix of anime with cartoon style way. But the truth is, it's still an anime whether y'all believe it or not. Because the U.S. didn't make the show in cartoon way. It's shows this series is really Japanese anime in disguise as a US cartoon-style way as a way of making the show look good. Just like the CGI show of war for Cybertron trilogy. But regardless what anyone says, RID reboot is cool with Optimus prime super mode with the minicon. But is one time only. And bumblebee combined with the team was awesomely cool. I like it!
Megatron himself complements Optimus in episode 2 of TFP. He himself says:
"Optimus is not so easily destroyed. We have millennia worth of battles to prove it."
Megatron himself knows the capability of Optimus but RID threw it all out the window. But i will say, i found his design in RID kind of cool. With the white and black to differ from his usual look. If only he had the wings...
Edit: Just fixed some spelling errors
Like another commenter suggested, if in this series they replaced Optimus with Smokescreen, it would've been 100x better, adding on to that, if it was Optimus training Smokescreen in the realm of Primes and saying something like "While my spark was beginning to ebb after our old base had been destroyed, I had always known you were destined to become a Prime one day Smokescreen, and I had never lost faith in that thought, that being the reason you are here, but, due to your inexperience against fighting a foe like Megatronus, it would be wise for us to train you before you partake in such a fight" that would have made it EVEN better
NO!
Replace Bumb with Smokescreen. And replace Optimus with Ultra Magnus.
Since both acting a lot like them. And ı mean a LOT.
My jaw drop when I saw how the new team talked about Optimus, they made him look like a special needs...
That's because the show made him need special needs. Bad writing.
Bro if sideswipe would be talking like that to a veteran of ww2 he would be beat up so bad.
Like did they really think that teaching kids to be disrespectful when around war veterans is a good idea.
@@0wly Vietnam or Iraq is closer, but I get what you mean.
@@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon im from finland so the only veterans we have are ww2 veterans which is why I chose ww2 veterans. Over here the veterans are highly respected. I even have a knight of the cross of freedom in my family line but sadly he passed away before I ever could meet him.
@@0wly I mentioned America, mostly because that's were the show was made, but also, they have veterans more integrated in their culture, so the disrespect is felt closer.
small thing, but in the desert episode with the two ice and fire minicons, we find out at the end Optimus was only acting weak in that episode so that the decepticons watching them would target him. he doesn't tell Windblade and Sideswipe this, though, causing more issues because he didn't communicate.
I think Optimus though windblade, be worried about him.❤😊
Isn’t this the same Optimus that an army of the undead in transformers prime, surviving the freezing cold for longer than any normal cybertronian could, fought unicron, fought megatron multiple times and even had his base blown up and was still barely functioning but still survived long enough to get his upgrades?
The reason why Optimus Prime was brought back in the original G1 cartoon because kids that saw the original G1 film will outright saddened because of Optimus Primes death, so in order to fix this they brought Optimus Prime back to life
If they wanted to bring back Optimus to life, I would've loved to see them meddle around with dark or synthetic energon and reviving Optimus in an incomplete form. He is there but not truly, he's broken, lost, without some memories, without some of his moral values. Make the old fans feel his pain, him knowing he's supposed to be much more, better, loved but still can't be. And let the new fans see him rise back to his position as the leader of autobots by his actions, by his wisdom in places where others might make immoral decisions or lose their minds.
So.... a Dark Awakening from G1 Season 3, right? :)
@@Andriy_Doc I've never seen G1, tho it's on my bucket list. I wanna watch the movie first!
@@Coco-Loco Whoa! In that case, know that if you watch the '86 Movie and then Season 03 of the original G1 -- you're going to get the pretty similar experience to what you're describing in your comment :)
@@Andriy_Doc Cool! I plan to when I get time :3
Now that I think about it, while I heavily agree with this video, the point about The Matrix made me realize Optimus gave the matrix up entirely at the end of TFP. Now, the last time he relinquished the Matrix was when he defeated Unicron in TFP; and he lost his memories starting from when he first got the matrix because of it. Now, with him permanently losing it, he might as well just be a bulky Orion Pax. That part almost explains why Optimus is less experienced, and almost gives him a kind of character arc. Having said that, I am 99% sure this was not planned by Hasbro and just something I came up with to fill in the gaps of several plot holes. Nevertheless, the idea is kind of cool in a show of plot inconsistencies and poorly written characters.
Optimus actually went deep into the war without the matrix. What happened in Transformers Prime is he lost ALL of his memories as prime (Since he was declared "Prime)
In R.I.D its more so Optimus is more like the character he was right before he got the matrix. Which is actually decently far into the war
If that was intentional, then that would have made quite an interesting character arc.
@sn.k7811 The thing is the Matrix of Leadership no longer exists in this point in the timeline.
Wow. I like Transformers in general. During your video I realized that it was Peter Cullen as Optimus, and Will Friedle as Bumblebee, and it hurt physically and emotionally to see that this show pit two characters AND two voice actors against each other, when they could have had great chemistry. Something went wrong in development, though I don't know if it was related to the gradual, slumping trend in entertainment we've got roiling on today.
Bee being annoyed at Prime made perfect sense to me. Optimus seemed to continually be trying to take over, whether from habit or thinking Bee was in over his head. After all the trouble Bee had establishing himself as the leader before Prime became a full-time character, I can see where he'd be touchy about it, compounded by how much he respected and admired Optimus. I'm just tired of Prime always having to be written as if every statement of his is some grand pronouncement. Can we have G1 Prime back who would play basketball and crack a joke every now and again?
‘bee’ing
To be fair g1 was much more silly. Aligned continuity actually treated a plenetary scale war as it should be. With extreme gravity most of the time. This show didn't. Also there is being annoyed because a well written conflict and then THIS.
The problem is that neither of them should have been acting the way they were. Both characters were being out of character for the sake of an artificial scenario.
@@LordProteus THANK YOU
@EMERALD HEART STUDIOS They both had movies and sold toys.
If they're going to reduce Optimus's competence to let someone else shine, then they should have just let Optimus's death stay permanent.
3:04 dude, we have Rodimus!! That’s like his thing! Sure he’s not as wise or old, but he’s new, relatable, and brings a lot of new plot possibilities
Imagine undoing one of the only 2 times Optimus's death was actually permanent and was for more than just shock value.
I gotta imagine this was corporate's idea.
I think the relationship between Bee and OP is the stereotypical "Young inexperienced generation vs old experienced generation" trope where the *old* generation always have to be wrong
Which is bad
I think they wanted to show Optimus as a like dad who still wanted to with bumblebee like when he was young and bumblebee doesn't want to Optimus to from his pot of view baby him so in bee mind he needs to act super grown up that doesn't need his dad's help and to Optimus bumblebee is pushing him away.📖🐝🚛
Bumblebee thinks he's ready. Optamis believes he is not. But neither of them are ready for what's going to happen
@@lornbaker1083 indeed.💯
Feels like someone young got offended and wanted to replay situation in the show. where they could be right, and experienced one would be wrong. Someone who didn't finish fheir rebllious teenage ark😂
Optimus Prime has always been one of my favorite characters in fiction, in fact, he’s one of my oldest childhood heroes, he’s a great character and a perfect symbol of freedom, he’s one of those characters where even if he’s in something bad, I as well as other people are still gonna love him, he’s just that easy to like and admire, but when he’s portrayed VERY poorly like in RID, that’s where I draw the line, unless he’s done with the upmost respect and care, I don’t see Optimus, I only see a water downed version of him, I want to feel a sense of hope whenever he’s on screen, wether it’d be him giving out words of wisdom, leading his Autobots to victory, letting out inspiring speeches, or even just playing along and cracking a joke, NOT a sense of cringe, embarrassment, or even shame at being a fan of him, and that applies to the entirety of the Transformers franchise as a whole, I will always love Optimus Prime, but only when some form of respect is given to him, even in a different interpretation like say Animated Optimus Prime or Beast Wars Optimus Primal, as long as it’s done well and captures the spirit of the character, my love for Optimus will never fade away, all I’m saying is writers out there should write the character of Optimus Prime, NOT a character who happens to be Optimus Prime
To be fair about Micronis, he hated Megatronus. I have no doubt that Micronis wanted Optimus trained as good as possible to destroy Megatronus.
Micronus was super close before Solus before she died, and Megatronus was the one to kill her.
i remember seeing a few episodes of RID 2015 but i fell of once i saw the cringe, i returned every once in a while to see the new designs and the stunticons. I honestly remember disliking the optimas was treated even if, at the time i didn't know why. And seeing your video gain a better understanding of why.
I had seen a few episodes of the RB with optimus and i remembered liking them more. The way they treated him there was far superior than RID 2015. I don't know why they turned someone who had been in a war for like what? hundreds of years. And who, in universe not long ago, was a wise and caring father figure. Unless his new body was just that much weaker than his original one.
For the most part, I skipped RID 2015, I only saw the season finales and episodes that conveniently didn't have Optimus in them. Seeing this video has opened my eyes as to how much more awful this show is, I think it's especially telling how a kids show like RB and RBA handle established characters better than this show with a higher budget and production quality(Supposedly). RID had a lot of wasted potential and things like this tell me that the people in charge probably didn't care about the show they were making. Either that or they just weren't skilled enough to write these characters and the story of the show in a compelling way...either scenario doesn't look good.
I felt so blue-balled when we never saw Unicron in his true form in Prime.
Also, the Optimus being weak problem could be fixed if Optimus never died at the end of prime, and they write it in as a product of him aging, as he would be an older bot by this point.
That wouldn’t work. Cybertronians have way longer life spans than humans. In some continuities most of the main cybertronian characters including Optimus and Megatron are several million years old. I doubt a few more decades will do much to weaken Optimus.
@@sonicgen20 what about Kup?
@@firesonic1010 Who's Kup?
@@sonicgen20 transformers fan doesn't know who Kup is 🤣🤣
@@NobleRaider2747 he's not a geewunner and neither am I
At this point we deserve some Rescue Bots videos. That show is so underrated
My personal opinion is that if this show DID NOT follow the TFP continuity, the whole idea of a young inexperienced Optimus would’ve worked AND made it more interesting, but knowing that this is the same optimus that won the war for cybertron outgunned and nearly outmatched makes this show feel like a slap to the face for TFP fans.
Honestly it feels like those training scenes with optimus were ment for bee
Also on a much funnier note, I had to skip through practically every single RID clip you put in this video, because the show frustrates me so much.
It is so easy to see why people don’t consider their show canon to prime. They demolished every single one of the character traits of the reoccurring characters. Bulkhead was the most in character, and even he had some flaws. When I say that I don’t think of the show is canon, I just try not to watch it, and pretend it doesn’t exist.
It's important to note that despite a majority of studios and teams involved with Transformers during the Aligned Continuity, some were vocal about their dissatisfaction in trying to make their ideas work with what was written in HasLab's Binder of Revelation, which I believe included the team behind War for Cybertron, the game that ironically started off the Aligned Continuity to begin with.
While I don't recall the studio behind RID 2015 sharing the same pessimistic outlook, one can easily draw those same conclusions judging from how they treat any characters returning from Prime, especially Optimus. It can be said that the writers behind RID thought Optimus should have stayed dead after the end of Prime, because the way OP is written gives a strong assertion that they didn't know what to do with him. Hence why I believe the butting heads with Bumblebee during the Deception Island arc was possibly the writers not so subtly venting their frustrations at his inclusion in the show, most likely due to, as you rightfully pointed out in the video, a mandate from an outside source in Hasbro.
It's honestly disappointing looking back at this show (as someone who started watching it this year on the official transformers RUclips channel) and seeing the missed potential of an Optimus who is no longer leader of the Autobots. The story potential of him being a wise advisor, or even a sort of Green Ranger to the rest of the team would have been interesting to see. But I suppose it just wasn't meant to be.
(EDIT: I just remembered Optimus being brought back in RID could also be due to the fact Rescue Bots was still being aired on TV at the same time, as that show was also made canon to TFPrime and had some crossovers starring both Optimus AND Bumblebee.
It's ironic because Rescue Bots would go on to have way more crossovers with RiD 2015 than they had with Prime.)
I remember watching this show a long time ago and seeing those clips of RID Optimus actually disgusted me I literally physically recoiled.
It's surprising that despite all of the flaws in this show, especially when it comes to characters, the only two characters who weren't watered down when switching from Prime to Robots in Disguise where Starscream and Soundwave. Starscream is still the cunning, dangerous opposition for the Autobots as he usually is, and Soundwave clapped the entire casts asses when he first came back, so do with that what you will.
I really hate the way Bumblebee speaks to Optimus. It really makes me hate Bumblebee.
Here's the really messed up thing: Even if RID2015 wasn't connected to Prime, the biggest problem with the show is that Optimus doesn't work in it. All the ways the cast disrespect him would be awful in any continuity.
RID2015 had a lot of great moments and concepts. They tried to do the G1 Season 3 story right by finding someone worthy of being Leader.
As someone who naturally takes charge, I understand when I come into conflict with a similar person. Optimus has definitely lead for millenia, and if you have, I can tell its hard to step aside.
Bumblebee is much, much younger than Prime. I'm pretty sure it states in the Alligned Continuity that Bumblebee was one of the last bots that were created by the Well before Prime sent off the AllSpark, meaning that between the start of the war and Bumblebee's "birth" was a very long time.
Bumblebee is still a kid in many respects. He's a Teenager rebelling against his authority figure. And to be fair to Bee being whiny, if you lead a team specifically by yourself and suddenly someone comes in and tries to take over, you're gonna get pissed too.
But, if I remember correctly, Bee was the one who proposed to Prime a joint-leadership, allowing both to work together to lead the ever growing team without getting in each other's way.
As for Prime learning how to defeat Megatronus, just because you have memories of other Primes doesn't mean you instantly unlock the ability to do those things. Optimus training with Micronus was a way to show Prime lessons he had learned but buried down in place of other lessons. It makes sense that he'd need a refresher.
On the other hand, the Primes all saw Megatronus as pure evil and ultimate power. But they hadn't seen him since they sealed him away. They had no way of gauging Megatronus' powers, and Prime, although powerful, didn't have the same powers the Primes themselves had. He had the Matrix, but otherwise he was just a normal Autobot. Training him to focus on killing Megatronus (to focus on his mission by disregarding those he intended to help) actually hurt him.
Remember, in the final battle it was essentially Prime trying to go it alone, believing that it was his only concern and only he could do it. Team Bee were trying to help but kept getting in the way. The only way they won was by working together.
The Primes failed Optimus by forcing him to forget the compassion he had learned in order to kill Megatronus. They were using him.
I don't think they were bad iterations, i think the writing team had to tell a cohesive story whilst making a kids show. Lots of pressure, terrible result.
The only good thing about Prime is his design, I love the black look, and his normal S3 look
RID 2015 Optimus: i'm weak, pls help
TFP Optimus: *proceeds to solo Terrorcons and Unicron earth projections*
I knew this show was bad, but I didn't know it was THIS bad! Bumblebee _looked up_ to Optimus... Aint no way in heck would he start arguments with him over leadership, and there's no way Optimus would argue back. Holy cow... :(
Biggest problem with RiD 2015 is that it didn't know what it wanted to be. Optimus getting special training in other world to come back and fight The Fallen could've been cool if the show had kept Megatronus around and done more to establish him as a threat but it also wanted to stay a story about Bumblebee and the team arresting Cybertronian criminal villains of the week with a variety of eccentric personalities.
im gonna be 100% honest here, i could not watch the entire segment at 5:20 without skipping through it, the way optimus freaking prime is treated like he just started fighting is ridiculous and feels extremely cringe worthy
video is good though, much better than the subject matter being talked about
At this point I think we can all agree that RID2015 needs to either be rebooted or discarded into the deepest pits of hell
It needs to neither of those. It needs to be forgotten.
They could make a sequel of tfp by showing the life of Cybertron now that predacons, Autobots and Decepticons live together and no longer in war. They could make it like a combination of Cyberverse and transformers prime.
@@PrimordialNyx I agree with you there. And that’s what I mean by discarding it into hell
The idea of smokescreen becoming a prime would’ve been a much better alternative than bringing Optimus back. Seeing two relatively inexperienced leaders butting heads would’ve been more interesting to watch.
as a transformers prime fan i can say i remember rescue bots being good but i almost forgot robots in disguise existed
It should be easily fixed: Replace Prime with Bumblebee and Bumblebee with Smokescreen. Let Bee do the training by some retcon of the Matrix returning
And now, a video on "The Megatronus Problem"
He was handled almost as badly as Optimus.
I plan to talk about him actually in another video!
We need tô talk about grimlock too
@@eliasalvessouza4607 Actually, I think he's addressed. See, Grimlock the Dinobot, with his team of Sludge, Snarl, Slag, and Swoop (or whatever their names are) was an experiment of Shockwave's, resulting in the Dinobots team. However, when the Allspark was returned to Primus, he began producing Cybertronian life once more. Among these new beings were Dinobots: not failed experiments, but Cybertronians endowed with Earth-derived forms.
@@longshot9757
I know grimlock's histori but i am talking about the "big brute" concept that he is related too and the show sais the he is useless Just tô make the "team work" be needed otherwise he could Deal with most of the oponents on alone. Get It?
RiD pretty much just gives you a reason to rewatch Transformers Prime
tbh it would have been kind of cool if. 2 ideas
1. Bumblebee gets the matrix - I know that breaks the standard lineage going from Optimus -> Rodimus, but if they want Bee to be a leader and the star of the new show, it really looks like the best option. (This is not really something i'd want in any other continuity, but the specifics of the Uniend cluster make it far more reasonable. Hot Rod is like, a noncharacter in aligned haha.) By giving Bee the Matrix, that allows Optimus to show up as a sort of Matrix-ghost and communicate with Bumblebee; i'd like some cryptic ass shit that bee needs to learn to decipher for aesthetic reasons, but either way, that allows Optimus to play a role while not stepping on the lead's toes. Instead of forcing himself into a head position, he is waiting for Bumblebee to require assistance, and imparting wisdom and knowledge when necessary. The idea of a new matrix-bearer needing to learn the ins and outs of bearing the Matrix of Leadership is a nice idea - it's a mix of learning his own lessons, and of learning to hear and understand the lessons from those who came before him. You can even have cool Matrix-induced dreams; he gets to see Optimus again which comes with a range of emotions.
This also is incredibly useful in the whole Megatronus stuff; The Matrix contains the wisdoms of the Thirteen - it contains the thoughts of Megatronus himself, it would absoloutely aid in so many battles, especially this one. Know thy enemy.
There can be subplots of Optimus learning how to be a Matrix ghost, getting that R&R he's been needing for the past few million years, and finally being able to pass the torch which um. He's clearly been looking forward to, cough cough that one scene with Smokescreen in TFP.
2. i've forgor