REAL TALK: Where It Failed & Where It Succeeds - Street Fighter 5 (One Year Later)
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I don't mind SFV, but the fact it won "Fighting Game Of The Year" on multiple occasions, I found that to be ridiculous. There was fighting games that came out last year that 1.Were actually done (which is the easiest argument) and 2. Fighting Games that effort was actually put in. For example, Guilty Gear and Killer Instinct. It just tells you how much a company could get away with just because of their past successes.
There is no rational universe that could justify SFV winning "Best Fighting Game of the Year," especially when KoF XIV, Guilty Gear, even Pokken Tournament were all better.
Nobody remembers BlazBlue...
I remember
+RaveDX Of course, they're very similar. It's just that people tend to not acknowlegde BB is a thing when throwing praise on GG.
1) as a fighting game, it was actually done. The early release was to prepare for tournaments, and all it was missing was a story mode as opposed to releasing it half finished... and either way haters saw putting the time in to do each aspect right as half finished. lol. 2) more effort was put into it than any fighting game. it had by far the best balanced play for a launch title and a lot of work went into making it competitive and accessible as opposed to just doing whatever the fuck they wanted. By far the best fighting game of the year. Room for improvement from there on? Sure, and hopefully there will always be room for improvement for us to expect constant work and content being added. It has also already surpassed sfiv roster by its 1 year mark and the first sf with a story mode, so comparing it even to its own franchise it is better. Only thing missing (which I too can't understand wtf they are doing with that) is arcade mode. when you weight it back out, it is again the best fg released last year. Honestly, the rest feel like button mashing garbage by comparison I could never understand people flocking to fgs that are nothing but mash my ass out and play. SF to this day remains the best fg. Sure it has also characters and play styles I hate and strategies that are annoying, but guess what, so do all fgs.
I think what killed sfv for me and for a lot of people was the fact that it lacked content.
I had a lot of fun with it the first couple of months though
light yagami if they would've released the game with the season 1 and 2 added to the main roster, arcade mode, story mode and color packs able to be unlocked through arcade mode, it would've hit that 2 mil mark. Maybe higher
Yup 👀👀
GhostFrom ThirdStrike
So fucking true man, cuz you are talking about a complete game. In other games you would have to play survival to unlock other characters or Ex version of the characters like in Guilty Gear, but in SFV you unlock color!? I mean, seriously!? and hard mode it's more like nightmare than hard, 😠I have only pass it with my main who's Cammy, I have tried with Akuma and Ryu but I only get to the 35s 40s and i die😒
what killed SF V is the lack of content and the visuals... that art style is just utter butt ugly. on a deeper level the issues with the game is what Max said, the combo system was drastically 1 dimensional, the game mechanic was meh, the specials were meh, the amount of rage quitters online from casuals, over priced DLC's and SF V fanboys are brutal as destiny fanboys.
Hearing Max's speech at the end about how MvCI needed to succeed & that it would've corrected capcoms mistakes...
It's heart breaking to hear
I don't think the competitive scene supporting this game really speaks to its quality. It's simply because they don't have a choice. For players like Infiltration Street Fighter is basically their job and they can't just turn up to tournaments saying "I'd rather play SFIV because it has a higher skill ceiling and is more fun to play". Capcom is not gonna support that because there's no money to be made there. In fact Infiltration specifically was /very/ critical of SFV and Capcom's approach to the game in a somewhat recent interview and while they may take that into consideration, I highly doubt it'll make a huge impact. The pro scene is not gonna go anywhere because there's nowhere to go. Games like KoF XIV and Guilty Gear Rev 2 might very well be better games but they don't have the brand recognition or money behind them to really threaten Street Fighter. No matter what SF will always be top dog at Evo and that's a problem.
Dom The Elegy that is probably the biggest issue, as it is now, only tekken can probably overshadow SF because the brand name is equally well recognised
Dom The Elegy until Tekken 7 hits
Tekken7 on the way; and if they fix the damn damage scale, it will take the stage..
Professional gaming makes them money, yes, but a lot of them do things on the side to get money because it doesn't pay that much and you aren't guaranteed to win. Streaming brings in more cash and there wouldn't be a competitive scene with out spectators so. 1. he does have a choice 2. it does say a lot just my two cents anyway.
While Tekken 7 may or may not ever be able to overthrow Street Fighter, they can damn sure rival it. Add to the fact Tekken 7 has never made multiple copies or a Complete Edition like most fighting games do these days and I've never played one that felt shoddy or had a lack of content (I've played 1,2,3,5, & 6 so far), it could potentially make an impact. I mean hell there's a reason Tekken crossed over with Street Fighter in SFXT, so what does that tell you.
R.I.P R Mika ass slap. Gone but not Forgotten
It died so SFV could be an esport.
E-sports is a mistake.
it died for literally no reason whatsoever
T.K The God Breaker™ 神ブレーカ It really felt like it was part of her character in that trailer, it was fun and cheeky( pun intended) and also the finishing animation of her slam looked way more impactful and devastating.
At least you can restore it in the PC version
"They do not want to mess up like they did with Street Fighter 5". And one year later Capcom has abandoned MvC:Infinite
1st point: Hasn't fixed Kens banana hair
Dirty Rat its samurai hair, its nice to see a long hair when everyone outside looks the same
SoleNero21 it's banana hair
His teeth are extremely yellow on the vs screen
Dirty Rat or given Ryu his Metsu Shoryuken!
bro its been a year and i still feel the same
Paying money for stages. No thank you.
light yagami Not MKX. They added a new stage for free.
IDK wot shit games ur playing when you need to pay for stages XD
...and....thats no excuse...ever heard the old "if everyone jumped off a cliff would you"?
light yagami What other game makes you pay for stages!?
SVTsupercharged have you heard of smash brothers?
"Post Mortem"
Dang man Max is already placing the headstone by this grave.
Maximilian Dood the first time I've seen you reply to anyone
Maximilian Dood Indeed. I meant it more as a joke for the play on words, since to be honest I would love for Capcom to go back to the drawing board for a bit and make some core changes that focuses on bringing back some of that creative freedom of not only past titles, but SFV in early beta.
To be fair I think he was using a really specialized definition of the word. I'd never heard postmortem being used as an update to an ongoing event or project. It's specifically referring to something that has ended (e.g. 1 year postmortem would be a year after something stopped existing).
I guess postmortems for periods of time that something has existed rather than the event or project itself is a way the word is used in the gaming industry. It just looks funny.
He basically re-defined postmortem to mean whatever he wanted it to mean, lmao.
point 1:havent fixed ken's face
end of video
Bad Wolf Ken has always been ugly btw, remember SF2?
(3s is not the same thing, cause there are artworks)
Lord Karasoul lol no. Play alpha buddy.
The Alpha Rooster in alpha everybody has the same face lol ^^
Bad Wolf what about his banana peel hair?
+Hollow because they are hand drawn with artistic effort behind it
I like SFV but this game needs more content. And fucking Arcade mode.
It was me Kai it's coming g
Jukai bro nah. Arcade mode is dumb. What I want is a thought out ranked system. They put a rookie who has only played for 2 weeks against a super bronze. Like tf. But when u get lucky and about to win they leave the game and ur deprived of ur win. Make people on your ranking fight you. And as you get better you get harder players through time. The system is fucking stupid.
No arcade?????? Definitely not even gonna give it a chance then
@@tedcruzforgayrights2045 it has arcade now, it just took them 2 years to put it in. The game is worth playing now if you buy the Champion Edition, it has most of the content unlocked. There will probably be another edition in the future since thet still keep releasing DLC, but Champion Edition is good enough, it has like 90% of the content unlocked.
SF V is the one game I still regret buying full price. Never again
Rafael Economides I regret buying COD ghost full price more honestly.
Rafael Economides i regret buying a ps4 pro
how many characters does the game has if i buy it?
lol I just bought it new for 15.99
elsa payo Depends on what system like PC or PS4. I got the game for $40 with both season passes. So $20 plus tax cheaper and that's with the season passes which each are now like $10-15 cheaper for the 1st pass and the second is $20-30. So you could imagine how much money you save there. I got it on PS4 online while they had a special like a month ago. I recently got into it but play for fun even online. I'm not anal about my online record like so many people are. Even casual and ranked matches because you get fight money for doing missions weekly. Like win 10 matches and get a bonus instead of just playing ranked to get fight money. With the FM you can buy characters, costumes, stages and colors for the outfits too. Some unfortunately cost real money which is kind of bs. Hope this helps ^^
Its accessible, easy to pick up and has somewhat of a learning curve. It's not like other fighting games though, that's for sure. Still fun imo and for what I paid, it's cool
Meanwhile KOF dropped 4 characters in the time span that it takes Capcom to reveal one. What the hell are they doing over there?
Probably putting all of their resources into marvel infinite.
Exactly.
you mean dlc costumes
I legitimately forgot Kolin was in the game
Which they added on top of their already large 50 person roster.
I just want Capcom vs SNK 3
Billy Calio Agreed!
They could still collab and make it possible with enough funding, capcom vs snk was one of my favourite fighting crossover growing and if marvel vs capcom infinte is a reality then maybe theres hope
Nah bro, Nintendo vs Capcom.
Same.
Billy Calio It's not a money issue, the two companies don't see why they should make it happen. Sure , there are a good amount of people screaming for CvS 3 to happen, but who's to say, people will actually enjoy it? Sprite based fighters are dead for both companies, so it would seem like a lot of pointless effort to please fans.
From my standpoint (that being someone who doesn't play competitively, but loves to be invested in fighting games) Street Fighter 5 has yet to draw me in. I can admire it becoming an ESports title and gaining traction, but it still hasn't done enough to earn my trust. I attribute this to a number of reasons.
1. No substantial single-player content: Arcade mode was always fun for me. Outside of battles with friends, it's how I get my enjoyment for a fighting game. There's no reason for SF5 to not have this and the solo stories are no replacement. Like many, I was hopeful for the story mode, but it didn't provide enough in terms of gameplay or a narrative. All that leaves is trial mode and vs. CPU, the former not being very enjoyable for me and the latter not holding my interest for very long.
2. The game looks great...sometimes: I find that SF5 is an overall great looking game, but then there are moments when it falters. How many times have we seen a clipping issue in game? While clipping is expected with 3D models, it feels more common here than other games. The art direction/character design has also been very mixed to me. While some characters look great, I think nobody's forgotten Ken's hair. Alex looks a little off to me, I'm not a fan of Akuma's beard (I swear it clips through his chest) and Ibuki's new design is a step back from her old look.
3. DLC: It was one thing to launch the game with so little, but I despise the game's DLC. It feels like this game is too much DLC that needs to be bought. And yes, you can use fight money to get it, but you'd have to play an insane amount of the game online to earn enough for the characters, stages, colors, costumes, and whatever else you want to get. I'd honestly take updates at this point, as I've seen them done well so that I don't feel like I'm overpaying for the update. Look at Guilty Gear Xrd. Revelator did cost 60 dollars, but remember that in addition to game rebalance and new characters, all episode modes were sequels to the events of Sign (meaning new dialogue to record and new cutscenes to make) and there was a new story to watch (which means 5 hours of fully voiced, cinematic footage that expands on the story from Sign). Even Rev 2, which isn't as substantial as Revelator was, will be cheaper while offering enough to make the price worth it. Hell, if Capcom relaunched SFV and did it right, I'd definitely buy it.
All in all, SF5 is a game that I do have a lot of fun playing and think is a step up from 4 (not to say 4 was bad), but it's held back by so many bad decisions in how it was sold and is handled in terms of pricing and content. It's a shame, because there are times were I really wanted to like it, but too many bad choices forced me to move on from the game.
I just want an Arc System Works vs Capcom
Juro bro me too but Snk Vs. Arc system might be good and better I gotta agree too Arc system Vs. Capcom I mean Capcom needs to think about it too Arc system is gonna be sure and they better agree to team up I want to use Akuma and Azrael Naoto Kurogane and Ken Hibiki don't know it might be awesome man
Juro I would settle for a guilty gear vs blazblue
and capcom vs sink 3
Arc Systems Anime Free For All
It can have Guilty Gear characters, Blazblue characters, Persona characters, and some anime characters that have been in fighting games
GamerBear aye let's not ruin hopes and dreams its Juro dream crossover also blame Juforade it was his idea and it's kinda cool but you don't have to like the idea
Honestly I love the gameplay in this but it's the lack of content that just puts me off. Bought it day one but stopped playing after 5/6 months maybe. I've played sf my whole life but this is by far below the usual standard.
shafz1996 I was very disappointed too, there wasn't any of the modes I wanted to play like story or Arcade, I was forced to play online and get my ass kicked, but I learn to play it well. And after today's announcement from street fighter tweeter I have decided to put the game back in its box and don't touch it for some time until it's complete (of they can complete it) and what makes me sad the most is that I payed for the character pass :(
Dark Zero Might as well wait and play USF II instead, and yes I am conscious that it's a remake, but at least its a fluid and great game
Tekken 7 needs to come out already
Ike Sukari get ready to be disappointed. i find that every part of tekken 7 failed. rage art is op. shitty redesigned characters and re-used assets. graphics are basically tag 2 ported in UE4... nothing spectacular... the final boss is just lazy, uninspired and not in tone with the tekken style that they long forgotten (thanks Harada). the new characters are parody level and boring. i don't find a single reason to purchase it...
have you watched actual gameplay? or did you just watch the trailer. Rage art is in no way OP.
Bruh, ive BEEN watching. Rage arts are very situational and many of them are either unsafe on block or duckable. You cant just bust one out for the hell of it, they are not op. They don't extend combo damage by that much either.
Mr.Mugen93 the final boss is lazy? We don't even know who the final boss is LOL.
Victor Escalante they don't chunk for 3/4 health LMAO. They do the same as a super in street fighter. And being unsafe is actually the whole reason they aren't broken lmao. You would have an argument if they were safe but the risk/reward factor is there. Especially since you only go into rage when you are low on health. It's not like you have access to it all match. It's a comeback mechanic.
Ridiculous lack of 1 player content. I thought it was a game for gamers not just what is determined as hardcore these days.
Been playing Street Fighter since Street Fighter 2 in the Arcades I feel sorely let down. Every other fighting game still to this day includes an Arcade mode.
I hate that Capcom pandered to the Esports crowd exclusively
"The competitive audience really likes this game."
Eeeehh, I know a lot of good tournament players that hate this game and what Capcom is doing with it.
Is the pro scene finally coming out and saying it's bad? (I traded my game for KoFXIV after Urien. So I have no idea what I missed over the past almost year.) Because if I understand, a lot of them are paid to play the game.
I find it really really hard for me to watch SF5. SF4 was not only a lot of fun and interesting to watch, but also a lot of fun to play. SF5 is frustrating to play at times, and one of the reasons is losing doesn't make me want to run it back, it makes me want to stop playing all together. SF4 felt like you always had a fighting chance, while SF5 feels like you could walk forward and randomly die...
Couldn't agree with you more.
Yeah in SF4 you just have to ultra someone to comeback. In sf5 you have to play and know what to do to comeback in the fight.
THANK YOU, idk how many times I've made this point and people just tell me to get gud, but in reality this game doesn't care about footsies, spacing, punishes or anything like in sf4, sf5 is a noobs playground because they can literally do whatever they want and it's all free. I know I'm not the only one who loses and just sits there like "ok????"
"sf5 is a noobs playground because they can literally do whatever they want and it's all free"
That doesn't even make sense.
telademise Its just a matter of becoming a better player
Let's be real it released with barely enough fighters and stages to be a demo, the grafics are good, but stages are so inferior to sf4 that it's kinda ridiculous, and everyones hair is hideous and bugged out. You pay 60 dolars for a third of the game and the dlc is ridiculously expensive, to the point where in some countries it is absolutely impossible to buy it. Rashid and Laura were cool new characters, but Fang is something that just shouldn't exist. Plus the game still lacks a lot classic fighters that should have been there from day one.
At least Tekken 7 will have its' full story mode and arcade mode from the start. June 2nd needs to hurry up.
36 characters at launch as well, gonna be a great game
Hehe litlle did u know the story was gonna be baaad
killer jay 2006 Yeah, my post didn’t age well huh. Ed boon has an epic story in his fighting game with an expansion. Turns their protagonist into a badass god.
Meanwhile the other is more obsessed with anime robotic girls.
@@shmiksisrymtai i think the story mode is not bad at all but the narrator in story mode sucks
Necalli. The character whose existence I keep forgetting about.
I personally think Capcom should "re-release" SFV
Vanlou25 how do you mean? as in super sfv?
I totally agree but as of now it cannot be done. The game doesnt have the features to be re realeased and actually bought.
Vanlou25 Yes.A cumulative release could help bring more players.Less downloading,more content readily available....
The vanilla version already in the wild wouldn't be affected.
They were saying originally that wouldn't be the case, but really, it seems like a necessity at this stage. The shabby launch really hurt the game. It bugs that I've not been able to form an opinion on it since I'm an Xboner,
I would love to see an updated edition come out when Season 2 finishes. Owners of the current version wouldn't need to buy anything and people who have held off might be enticed to give it a try.
Keeping up with the addition of content for people who own the game (maybe add more supers and v-skills/triggers; that'd be awesome) and re-launching it or launching a new "edition" of the game with all those updates pre-installed at least so that the changes get some media traction would be the best move Capcom could pull off IMO.
Aaaand maybe also throwing in arcade mode for the people who keep crying out for 8 random fights vs. CPU for some mind-boggling reason. Why you'd pick up a game from a traditionally competitive genre for the single player is beyond me, but people want it so... eh.
The main reason why I find SFV the most disappointing game of last year was it looked like Capcom was learning its lesson. Bringing back characters we haven't seen in a while? That's good. Getting rid of most of the gimmicky problems I had with SFIV? That's good. Actually allowing you to earn DLC? That was great. Adding a cinematic story mode? That was great. So as a Street Fighter fan, I preordered the game thinking there was no way they could fuck this.
So I got they game, and throughout all of the good they were doing, they still managed to fuck it up.They fucked up servers & the netcode, they fucked up the mechanics, a la "Jab/Short beats everything," they fucked up with the input delay, they even managed to fuck up Zangief. I wanted to remain optimistic about the game, and I was one of the few who defended it for a time, but the more I played it, the more problems I found with it to the point where I traded it in to get KoF XIV. If anything, the only thing I can appreciate is the music since a lot of it was improved from SFIV, with the exception of Juri, Akuma, and arguably Laura's theme. I know people will claim heresy on this, but if the original SFIII didn't exist, this would've been the worst major SF game that exists.
3rd Strike is still, to date, the best SF game ever created
SlayerofAllLife True, but SF VIII the new generation is absolutely not. It took capcom 3 tries to make Street Fighter 3 right. And make it right did they ever. Which does give me some hope that SFV will be a game I particularly enjoy playing.
How? When ST exist?
My fav is Street Fighter Alpha 3
how many characters has the game if i buy it in xbox one?
6:50 To be fair, the "pretty good critical reviews" were all about what SF5 would become and not about what at the moment was.
Was disrespectful to all players to see 90-95 rates and then look over the review to read that the game was lacking content but they still were giving that score because during the next months it was going to be completed bit by bit. They literally shamelessly lied to us to favor Capcom and its despicable attempt of promove a politic of sell a half game at full price.
SFV pros:
Nice graphics, V-Skills/Trigger,
SFV Cons:
Bad Netcode, No variety, Matches look the same, game mechanics, not too many defensive options, expensive season passes that don't give you every single DLC item, Capcom focuses on DLC instead of fixing the game,
I can go on and on with the cons, but you get the idea.
The games was not complete, it went for the competitive scene instead for the casuals, thats were it fail, a fighting game without the suport from casuals/new fans is a failure.
BlackHairedGoo n It's so ironic, they dumb down the mechanics to let casuals in but strip the game of basic single player modes casuals enjoy.....wtf is capcom even trying to do anymore? lol
+Nico Gaiden I know, right? It's like the sole intended purpose of SFV is/was to bring as many casuals into the competitive scene as possible, but you can't motivate them to do that by going "here, this is all you can do in this game, now go pro to milk it to its fullest potential, because otherwise you might as well be senselessly wasting your money, and you don't want to feel stupid and cheated for trusting us... right?"! No, you make lots of single-player content, make casual Fight Money collection a real pain, and then promise greater amounts FM to those who play online matches more regularly, so once they've enjoyed playing by themselves enough, and they crave for more unlockable content, they can go online with a better feeling for how the game plays! :)
Dimitrije Mandic Well said man
+BlackHairedGoon: It's designed for pros and marketed to casuals. Two heads going in opposite directions is what Capcom is.
That's why this fugged up game is failing.
Cagnazzo Nah it's definitely designed for casuals. The problem is they didn't include enough features FOR casuals to keep them around.
I hope tekken7 takes the throne. coming from a big street fighter fan
Its a fun game, easy to play but have so much depth to master. I played Tekken and SF4 even though I love them both, Tekken can still have more depth than SF. It will be fun but I hope they do some serious balancing before releasing Tekken7.
So pretty much, SFV is boring.
I agree.
SFV is fucking boring and devoid of all personality. I'm surprised that places like EVO don't just run SF4 AND SFV in the lineup like how they do with Smash. I can't imagine that all these pro SF players are happy about being forced to play this garbage in tournaments, especially right when USF4 started getting _really_ good.
Money talks
Doctor Jones 2 Smash Brothers games but only 1 SF. In what f'ing universe is this acceptable?
Not only 2 smash, but you can say 3 games that had Pokemen. 3 Pokemen games in one tournament, just what the heck?
Doctor Jones can you like step off and leave SFV alone?
Gohado Number
Please don't waste your time defending something that doesn't deserve it. Your time is more valuable than that.
SFV is a Early Access game and should be treated as such and avoided
I dont know, to me it was at release, but after the story mode was released I feel its left early access. Id argue its a complete game at this point, but more content would be appreciated
Can't have a complete fighting game without arcade mode
LoGIc MoTion an arcade mode would be nice but between the story mode and vs computer option being added I feel the single player experience has reached acceptable levels.
As both a gamer and a dev currently working on a project, I feel like that death sentence to any and all early access products is more than a bit harsh.
Didn't mean to come off as that rude i know some early access games can be great it just seems like lately that Early Access titles are more about sucking money from us consumers than putting out content. One that got me real good was Dayz only updating the game a whooping 2 times a year paid $25 for it back in 2014 and i still feel like i got scammed.
Someone in the comments had a good idea. What if Capcom re-released SFV. Let's say they released an update like Super SF4 giving each character a new V-Skill, a new V-Trigger and a new Critical Art and this update was free to download, but they also released a physical copy of it. I know Capcom said SFV is the only copy of the game you'll need, but maybe it could work.
True. Personally I wish there was more interesting V-Skills like Necali's, Dhalsim's or even Guile's.
That's what I want most also. Everyone should have a choice between a 2 bar and 3 bar VT. Everyone should have a choice between 2 or more VS. Everyone should have another CA. And there's no reason why every character can't also have two V reversals. A lack of defensive options is one of the biggest complaints of SF5, so give everyone 2 VR that do different things. Maybe forward and 3P knocks the opponent back and forward 3K side switches to get yourself out of a corner.
this game needs a SERIOUS DO-OVER
Agreed. They should also add like 25 more fucking characters
Who would you put?
Ill put
Twelve (or Eleven)
Oro
C. Viper
Abel
Sean
Gen
Necro (if Eleven or twelve are there then so does necro)
Dudley
decapre
Guy
Cody
Hugo
Elena
Yun and Yang
Sakura
Sagat
Adon
Sodom
Makoto
Dan
Blanka
Q
Remy
Fei long
I would put these guys
If USFIV had a shit ton of characters, then so could SFV
Cause lets be real here...this game is missing out on loads of both characters and content
You had much of it to begin with...but when you mentioned wanting Sean and Q to return you got SO much more of my respect. I couldn't agree with you more - I'd love to see more returning characters than just new characters such as we have coming for Season 2. And character's such as those you mentioned are ones I'm anxiously waiting for. I've slacked in playing SFV myself in recent days (focusing more on Overwatch) but if I was able to see Sean, Q, and Sakura again I would certainly delve back into the game with a lot more renewed passion.
I salute you, sir.
Max: "There are many as(s)pects"
says this while r. mika supers
Still waiting for Sakura and Makoto
Pocky Styx nice profile picture also my brother likes sakura
My problems with SF5 -
1. SF5 takes FOREVER to find a match still.
2. SF5 has some good tracks like Guile's theme but SF4 has drastically better music most of the time. (ie. Volcanic Rim, Character Select screen, Indestructible)
3. I was hoping for a game that took place past the events of Street Fighter III and would have a combination of SF3 characters, SF2, some Alpha characters and new ones. Instead, we got another prequel to SF3 that just contains some nods to it.
4. Not a fan of the new character designs for the most part. Some characters look fine but some of the redesigns look terrible. (ie. Ken) Again, I was kind of hoping for a post-SF3 timeline with the bearded Ryu as the default character appearance.
5. SF5's graphics look under par compared to other fighting games currently. Guilty Gear shits all over SF5. Killer Instinct looks fantastic. Even Injustice 2 has drastically improved in appearance. Each numbered update in the SF series used to have a pretty substantial improvement in graphics and there really wasn't one between SF4 to SF5.
6. No combo/game mechanics tutorial modes. Guilty Gear/Killer Instinct did this shit right.
7. Game has been put through a fine tipped comb for esports to the point that there's nothing exciting about watching a match. You dont' see any crazy broken shit or amazing new tech out of the blue. Even Marvel 3 after all these years still has people finding out new shit.
I totally agree with 2. Sf5 music is not exciting at all. Most of them are kinda boring imo.
What I want is a thought out ranked system. They put a rookie who has only played for 2 weeks against a super bronze. Like tf. But when u get lucky and about to win they leave the game and ur deprived of ur win. Make people on your ranking fight you. And as you get better you get harder players through time. The system is fucking stupid.
I just feel abandoned. I paid $60 for this game. I shouldnt have to pay extra money for all this extra BS theyre adding. This game will give no F***s about the casual audience for the next 3 YEARS!! It a shame that i won't be supporting 1 of my favorite fighting game franchises.
I think SF V was the only Street Fighter game i didn't buy...i don't feel the appeal of the game...i believe it's the art direction, the speed of the characters, the story, the gameplay is not as cool as SF IV and lack of characters that i love..It was a disapointment for me... I hope SF VI comes out and is WAY BETTER. Let's hope.
André Vila Franca Been thinking for a few hours now that if they do SF6 it should be like a dream match.
I really like "Real talk" series. keep it coming!
They obvsly didnt add Q, thats why it died
Q would be better than having G with a Q costume.
I agree with everything only thing I find odd is if it is a game that is not fun to watch then turning it to esports would almost shoot themselves in the foot
I think capcom should blow out on the end of season 2 and do basically a free "Super Street Fighter V" and add things like a proper arcade, more supers and rebalanced/new stuff that's more interesting.
the updates will always be free...
SonnyBCreative I'm specifying saying free so no one says "Oh you mean like a 15 dollar upgrade"
Ike of Pyke Just call the update "Super Street Fighter V."
This is what I think....Tekken 7
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The game outright insults and pisses on casual gamers by not giving arcade mode. Fine, Capcom doesn't want casual players to buy the game. They got what they wanted.
Street Fighter 5: *The game that allows Capcom to sell you Season Passes featuring content they havent even made yet nor do they even know wtf theyre gonna put in it*
i bought the basic game
no story (not that i care about that, but the alt. costumes would still be nice), and i have to buy half the roster. yes i can grind the in game currency but it just takes way too long. also whats up with the stages?
I still like the game even tho i suck hard, but damn why i have to buy half the stuff inside?
also i wish for oni cause i'm a filthy weeb
havnt owned a tekken since tekken 3 on ps1 im really looking forward to tekken 7
I think they can just rename a new patch the "Super" patch, and have the patch free for everybody, with some stages and graphical updates or something, then also have the optional bells and whistles such as new characters etc for purchase, or you can just buy the Super edition. I think adding new super moves, costumes, maybe stage transitions and more than just one intro would help. Right now I'm just waiting for Tekken 7, Injustice and the new GG.
I know this video is really old relative to this comment, however i'd just like to point out a viewpoint I have about Street FIghter in comparison to other games in the fighting game genre. To me I see street fighter as a more bare bones fighting game and much more focused on fundamentals, moreso than an common anime game like guilty gear, dbfz, and skullgirls.
The aspect of street fighter not having huge complex comboes really is apart of its soul. If a street fighter game had big comboes it just wouldnt be itselt. Theres my 2cents as a newer dude to the fgc. Keep up the dope ass comment Max you the man
My fear for Tekken 7 is that nobody will pay attention or buy when it is clearly doing EVERYTHING SFV got wrong right
Nilo isaac Santos You're afraid of that with a TEKKEN title? I don't even play the series, and even I know that that franchise is insanely popular.
DoubleVendetta (*******Chance Cox*******) after TTT2 not selling all that much and that the hype for T7 has not been the biggest since the announcement of Akuma, I fear it will not have that big first great impression right at launch so it evades the situation that SFV is in right now. you can see an example with max hasn't been talking much of T7 lately even though there has been a lot of recent trailers
SF was also insanely popular, and look what happened. No franchise is safe from blunders.
Well lets hope with what they did in tekken tag tournament 2 will happen in tekken 7.Update the game with the full roster characters after a 4 month patch update.Lets hope.
The biggest fear real Tekken fans could have.... that it is irrelevant in about a year from launch on. The opposite of SFV.
Because i feel like Tekken tend to be the special interest among the gamers... casuals like it... but only the hard core are willing to play it for a long peiod of time .Fighting games are still no single player game experience....most of them have them....but they need to succeed in building up active community.
As someone who never played much Street Fighter before 5, I like it. The combos are actually possible without spending days in Training trying to do 1 frame links and other bullshit that USF4 is filled with.
avatarofcloud and thats why the game is dying , no depth at all you used to get rewarded by working hard and that's no longer the case
a game that's hard is not necessary bad look at dark souls
_As someone who was just discovering SF with a group of friends, we were really grateful for SFV~_
We started out with 2 and Alpha3, then we smoothly progressed on to V with the help of the game's more accessible tutorials, comprehensible mechanics, and broad skill floor-ceiling range.
*How would y'all order the complexity levels of the series' instalments-??*
I get the impression that it goes from:
2,
Alpha,
V,
3,
4
xxHB311xx I agree with what you're saying, but at the same time when a game is so frustrating to play you just don't even want to bother with it anymore, I wouldn't say that's a good thing. A game can have depth without being ridiculously hard to play and still provide a bit of entry level for those not as skilled like say MKX, Injustice, Killer Instinct, & Dead or Alive 5: Last Round all manage to pull off.
SF4 is a fantastic game with a ton of great content don't get me wrong, but it's so incredibly anti-casual friendly that it turns some people off from playing because even simple combos are difficult to pull off due to that 1 frame combo link bullshit. Like you have to be immensely precise 100% of the time or your combos drop and you're left to be horribly punished for it, which is heavily demoralizing.
I love playing as Oni & Evil Ryu, but the frustration I get from playing the game when my combos never work the way I want them to, just doesn't feel worth it. That's just simply my opinion though, I mean no disrespect to your outlook.
I'd never heard the term 'your turn/my turn' for Street Fighter before V. Taking turns was a Marvel thing, you had to hold that defense until your opponent's combo/mix up was over, then it was your turn. This rule never applied to SF, it was fast back-and-forth/reversal heavy until V. Changing the very foundation of the game turned a lot of people off. Let's hope they learned something from this when working on VI.
Yes the severe lack of single player content is what killed this game for me I have absolutely no interest in the online part of the game. Capcom need to go back to their Street Fighter 2 Turbo days that game still to this day remains the best Street fighter game out there.
I have the same main problem with SFV: the mechanics are way too lackluster in comparison to SF4. Combo system is simple and weighty. Because of this, it's very boring to watch. You nailed it when you said the complexity of the game comes with the conditioning and the mind games, which is hard to visually portray.
KoF XIV hammered the final nail in
Multiple V-Triggers should be a feature
I will use Ryu as an example of what this could be.
"V-Trigger II Satsui No Hado" selectable after selecting Ryu in a separate menu. This V-Trigger has 3 bars of V-Gauge.
Visually, Ryu's eyes would turn red when in V-Trigger II
When V-Trigger is activated, Ryu would scream and hold his head while his eyes would emit a red glow before returning to his neutral animation.
Voice actor would change to Evil Ryu's voice actor during V-Trigger and would have separate lines as a means of fan-service.
His shoryuken would be multi-hitting. EX would play the same shoryuken animation but would do more hits and deal more damage.
Hadoukens would be purple and do 3 hits. Ex Hadoukens travel .5 times faster than a normal Ex Hadouken and do 4 hits
Tatsumaki Senpukyaku juggles and multi-hits. Ex remains the same.
Ryu's super is visually changed to resemble a dark purple fireball instead of blue. It stays the same in terms of damage and properties.
Go ahead and have fun, reply to this comment of your own unique V-Trigger and what it does.
I agree with Max, more V-Triggers, V-Skills, and super would make this game more appealing to the casual audience. Like the "Matador Stage" V-Trigger that was once considered for Claw (where a cage was supposed to drop down and allow Claw to climb it ala SFII), that would have been interesting both visually and gameplay wise. A lot of the V-Skills are just "projectile evasion" moves like Rashid's roll, Dictator's and Nash's "absorb" skill and Cammy's auto-correct spinning knuckle. Or they're some sort of parry like Zangief's "flex" or Ryu's or Akuma's parries. And don't get me started with Laura's "overhead" V-skill, sure its a good move, but an overhead as a V-Skill is quite uninspired.
Some of the better V-Skills are Birdie's "traps", Necalli's ground pound, F.A.N.G.'s un-blockable poison dart, and Urien's armor. Ibuki's V-Trigger is OP af (but at least its game changing), Dictator's "cancel specials into EX" is also great since he needs burst damage when trying to overcome life deficits, Ryu's V-trigger is actually ok since it allows his Super to cause stun (if only it lasted longer)
Another problem with Capcom is they tried to rush out modes instead of focusing on a few and then forgot they existed. Story is derpy as fuck. The tutorial pretty much won't teach new people anything useful. Survival mode is a messy time consuming grind that literally no one wants to do, which pretty much made daily challenges the main source of Fight money. Plus releasing more over priced dlc isn't helping lol.
I don't see SF4 when I see SF5. I don't see how you can.
What I see is a smaller roster than SF4. It's the 5th game in the series. Why is the character roster so damn small?
Because they started from scratch for the roster. For reference, SFIV initially started with 16 characters in its arcade release. The only way that SFV could have had a massive roster is if they ported the models & animations from SFIV rather than redoing everything.
SF5 has same roster size that SF4 started with. And SF4 had a smaller roster than 3S but larger than SF3NG. SF3 started with a smaller roster than SFA2 and ST. SFA started with less than SSF2NC. Every new SF has less characters than the last game in the previous series.
Giga Man I don't see how SFv looks like SF4. That game looked bad to me especially the stages. I enjoy the way SFv looks and feels but they need more moves or combo creativity. I always felt SF4 played too slow.
SF4 has 26 characters, SFV only still has 22 characters.
at least in the consoles. The arcade argument is irrelevant since arcades were dying at the time.
I actually like SF5 a lot more than i ever liked SF4 honestly. It just "feels" better to play to me, i like the refreshing, and honestly MUCH needed, changes they made to some characters, liked that they brought back a lot of characters that hadnt been seen in literally almost 20 years (Charlie, Mika, Karin, Birdie,Alex), really liked the addition of V Skills and Triggers, liked that they finally at least attempted a cinematic story, ect. I can say without shame i really like the game.Its like a breath of fresh air. SF4 just always felt "off" to me. It felt sluggish and slow,hated the art/graphic style, it had terrible music, i felt like they played it super safe with the character selection (mostly SF2 characters with a few alpha and sf3 characters thrown in) and how they looked and played, didnt like the mechanics like focus attacks and ultras, and hated how they let you basically "back out of your mistakes" with FADC's. It just felt like more of the same thing we had been seeing for years and years, except worse. In fact Vanilla SF4 was basically Super Turbo but with 3D graphics and a few non SF2 characters thrown in. I dont hate SF4 but its honestly my least favorite SF series.
the legend finally i find some one who truely knows how best sf5 game is 👍
We need CvS 3 or SvC 2!!!
Shaoun Ahmed CvS 3 definitely. SvC 2 not so much.
"im thinking they don't want to mess up marvel infinite like sfv " … rip marvel v capcom
I think the main reason I love SFV so much is that I don't need any DLC, I've had plenty of fun with Ryu since day one, he's been more fun than ever in my opinion, I just wish he was still good. Most of the time my favorite character is one of the base characters, DLC is always just side stuff.
Capcom couldn't even get Ryu right. That's like the benchmark for how much the game is screwed up.
He was fine, but they nerfed him because EVERYONE complained, for not really legitimate reasons.
The Street Fighter "community" (Unforunately, that is the community who play SFV and loves SFV) complains about these characters who are strong (ChunLi and Ryu) then when they are nerfed, cries to Capcom about when they are weak. Boohoo SFV "community" LOL.
Same with Laura Season 1, She's too weak!!! Now she's too strong Season 2!!! Boohoo!
_As someone who was just discovering SF with a group of friends, we were really grateful for SFV~_
We started out with 2 and Alpha3, then we smoothly progressed on to V with the help of the game's more accessible tutorials, comprehensible mechanics, and broad skill floor-ceiling range.
*How would y'all order the complexity levels of the series' instalments-??*
I get the impression that it goes from:
2,
Alpha,
V,
3,
4
13:10 SFV its my first fighting game ever, and i actualy started playing it because it was fun to watch , at least for me. It seems i need to check other fighting games too, hopefully it will be awesome
Cant wait to play Akuma in Tekken 7. :)
113 views, 13 likes, 1 dislike, 3 comments... O.o just when i click on this
top recent fighting games:
1.Mortal kombat X
2.King of fighters 14
3.Street Fighter 5
Where it Succeeds: Getting censored
Where it Fails: Everything else
i can wait for Super SFV Omega crazy shit Edition, also i really want Capcom to make Hot Ryu the canon design from now on, is just such a solid design update
artistafrustrado No. This man isn't Ryu.
no, i mean the OTHER hot guy, not Max
I really hate the beard. Looks like birds live in there. I'd prefer if he just had straggly hair or a just chin fuzz. Not an afro thick neck cozy.
but that's the point, Ryu is a freaking hobo who's too busy training
When you see Mk you see the producer's put heart into the story and gameplay but will street fighter it's like they gave up with street fighter 4 it was fucking awesome.
MK storylines are terrible
@@lukejones7164 and mk special intros are terrible they just poses and talking
I'm from the casual player side. Despite being a big fan of Street Fighter for pretty much my entire life i've never been a competitive player and i usually played the games for my own enjoyment. I liked the look and feel of some of the characters and i was interested in their stories, so i played the games. I do respect the fact that Street Fighter was built for the competitive scene and i've never written off Capcom for trying to drive this series harder in E-Sports. Personally, i'm quite proud to see it do so well with that crowd.
But from a casual players perspective, someone who plays because they enjoy the world and it's lore, i feel we were short changed. The Story Mode was terribly written and a huge majority of fans who play for the same reasons as me also felt some of the characters they had cherish all these years were being poorly directed in this new game.
I know it's not the main focus of a Street Fighter game, i'm definitely not here trying to push the storyline as the most important aspect of this series, but from the casual side of the fence it's left a bit of a bad taste in my mouth and as such it doesn't inspire me to play it as often as i played the likes of the Street Fighter III and the Alpha series' (which ironically had LESS story development per game, but felt more focussed and refined because of it).
I'm not hating though. I'm just disappointed.
What bummed me out too was that there was sooo much cool stuff in the alpha(?) demo, with chun-li having cool combos when activating v-trigger etc., but then they just removed all of that and said "fuck it"
To me the game fails because it's locked behind server access. That, and a poor matchmaking setup.
Making it exclusive to ps4 owners was in my opinion one of the many reasons this game didn't sell.
I wouldn't call you the sfv guy max. I discovered you whenever you did the Assist Me series. I didn't like MvC but you made enjoyable videos. I come back because you play a lot of fighting games. Variety, spice of life, you know.
If I had SFV, my mains would be Rashid and Akuma. They look SO FUN to play, and I was able to test out Rashid at a friend's house, and I love him.
Tekken 7 on june 1 (pc) is going gonna smash things up! MMM. Would this be the firs time PC gets a tekken game? Kind of concerning, but pc is my most open option so I hope tekken 7 will come in nice and smooth despite being also on pc.
Craft2299 I'd be worried about PC simply because there's no crossplay and Tekken is a legacy game. You'd figure most ppl will get it for PS4.
Took me 50 casual matches to finally beat someone.
Old comment but that's on you not Capcom
Lauri Nummi ?
@@AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA943 nah it’s ranking me up with people way above my level when I haven’t even touched rank
After owning the game for 3 weeks, there are a couple things that really hurt the game. 1) The lack of fight money and being unable to unlock content unless you play hours a day. 2) The characters do move around pretty slow. 3) The option in Critical Arts and V-triggers, as Max pointed out.
I agree with everything but we living in a DLC content generation of video games where we have to buy everything before the completed version even come out, hopefully they'll add all the features everyone wants (arcade mode, more supers, and bringing back classic characters)
I agree wholeheartedly. Something has gone terribly wrong with the art direction, the game just doesn't look good.
thats crazy this game looks incredible
Also, in order to even get enough Fight Money to even get all the characters or dlc, you have to play thousands of online matches AND WIN them.
This shouldn't be here. I believe you should be able to get fight money through offline matches myself, not a select few things.
Don't forget your fucked if you ran out of trials, and stories and you don't have a PSN gold.
Better pay out of pocket for the other half of the cast that you can't get.
TheHumanSonikku they also added those missions where you can get around 6000FM per week. I think they are really boring to do though.
fight money would be a great incentive if there was an arcade mode it would encourage offline play, as well as online play. they try it now but with the trial mode its gets boring trying to beat 100 players with no real story or believable challenge. baffling that the one thing they left out was arcade mode
Right now, as it has already been duly pointed out, one can earn about 6000FM per week quite easily, so it's not as painstaking as it was, but I've got an even better idea: why not make lots of single-player content, then make the FM grind easier online than offline? If Capcom wants so many casuals to go pro, that's the way to do it: after having enough fun on their own, once they start craving more content, they can go online, having already obtained a feel for the game, and then get rewarded with more and more FM per match even if they get bodied! The online matchmaking is very slow as it is, so they should reward the persistence and patience needed for a pro wannabe to get into regular online playing.
Dimitrije Mandic i agree. They should reward fight money for winning single rounds so that way you can still get something if you lose the match.
7:08.... THANK YOU!!!!!!
I have no problem losing online matches. I'm not the best player, and I never will be. Arcade mode gives me a chance to play around with characters and experiment more than I can in training mode.
Agreed on all points Max, except the visuals. If you put a SFV and SFIV video next to one another, the graphical difference is immediately apparent, and personally I love the direction they went with the art style from 4 to 5.
I love Max and I love Sfv. Will continue to support both no matter what
They should completely dump SFV, get the SNK team to quickly churn out Capcom vs. SNK 3 to take SFV's place on the main stage for now, and use that time to have the Capcom dev team completely start over with a fresh start on Street Fighter 6. There is no saving SFV. Get it off the stage asap. This is not the game you want to try to make your mainstream e-sports breakthrough with. It's the least hype fighting game of this era (among the major franchises).
That's a horrible idea, unless it would use the same engine it would cost a LOT of money to just up and make a new SF game, money which Capcom doesn't have.
I think a big problem with SFV is the crush counter. It's great in theory, but it changes the way people play footsies, deal with oki, and punish whiffs and blocked reversals. Rather than an intense back and forth neutral game that you see in SF4, SFV has a lot of fishing for crush counters with heavy attacks. Once one lands, it's the same optimized combo every time. It makes matches less exciting and more predictable. Of course, that's just my theory.
Honestly, SFV right now is pretty much how I felt about IV back when Super SF4 when it released 7 years back. I liked what they added but at the end of the day, it wasn't enough to keep me playing more than a couple of weeks.
I do have friends that play SFV though so that's why I keep it installed and at least bought the season passes just so I can play with them casually.
I do hope this game grows into something great but as of right now: I can take it or leave it.
Nice video as always,Max.
SF5 is currently the worst Street Fighter game (beside SF1) in my book. The game not only lack of single player content, it's game play is so limited and boring to watch. I also don't like the graphic direction of the game that make every character like a plastic toy instead of more of an animation character in SF4.
pigboykool What about Street fighter the movie the game?
I like to imagine that the People who made Capcom great are gone from the Company and now are found in SNK or Arika, but I don't see that Capcom learned anything.. maybe thats because I saw HOW TO reboot a Game how it should be with FFXIV which set my Expectations on what you do if you care about your Game.I don't see the behavoir from Capcom to fix "the Game" to make it worth for everyone and to call SFV what it supposed to be: the Entry in the Mainseries of One of the Most-Known Fighting Game Franchise, doesn't do it justice and makes Street Fighter in the whole look bad. if SFV would've been 15$base+15$season pass, no one had a Problem because yes the Game had no features but guess what at least you paid only half of a "real game". For me the Best Street Fighter Experience lies between Alpha3 and 3rd Strike.. Hell! Alpha3 for the GBA delievers a better SF Experience. SFV should've been a Spin-Off Title so that it can be what it is: An LowContent Overpriced All-ways Online.. Application with DLC that is not in the Season Pass... I know I sound like a Broken Record to release this "game" as Street Fighter V for that Price was a Failure, Capcom lost to many good ppl I mean a Soundguy from 3rdStrike Runs the Game.. so we can't expect too much but still Capcom is just a fleeting memory of a mere shadow what they used to be, or in other words: Arika, namco and SNK do, what Crapcom don't!
I've been playing the Street Fighter games since 3rd Strike and SFV is actually my favorite in the series. Although I agree that the lack of content is pretty bad, the series has never felt this good to play before. It took me MONTHS to master the precise timing needed for combos in the earlier games. When I tried SFV, it had the perfect balance of skill difficulty. I could figure out combos with a few days of practice and I was so happy because it meant that newcomers could do the same; more people could play this game and get better without wasting too much time.
It's been just ONE year? Damn, it feels much longer. Let's hope good things come in the future!
Capcom should of had it on xbox one too more sales 😉.
I don't care too much for single player content (though I was confused with the lack of an arcade mode) but if the single player content is lacking, that leaves it to the Competitive aspect to try & pull me in, & Street Fighter 5 has pulled me in but took advantage of it overtime, especially as of the last few days! I got this game last year for Christmas & overtime, I grew to like it less & less. For 2 Main Reasons. For 1 Thing, this game has already become stale I feel. As you mentioned before, there is very little room for creativity. Now I myself am a mentally slow, brains/heart hybrid style player, But even then, We're seeing too much of the same characters & strategies over & over again, 1 of the main reasons my interest in Melee is constantly diminishing too. 2ndly, there is just too much damn focus on offensive pressure, which is 1 of my least favorite fighting styles if we're talking just raw playstyle. It doesn't give me nearly enough time to just hang in neutral for a bit & scout my opponent's intentions. Now there are other combo/pressure heavy fighting games, but the difference is that those games allow players to take it slow at points in each game to plan a bait, wait for a mistake they're looking for, etc. which can't be said for Street Fighter 5 except maybe Guile.
Also, Let's talk about Infiltration. Anyone who saw the recent "I Got Next" episode should have a feeling Infiltration just isn't enjoying the game anymore. There is no Run & Gun Style character in Street Fighter 5 anymore, & since he's now playing this game as a job & getting stressed out, It's a lose/lose situation for him at this point. If he quits Street Fighter 5, he's not gonna be able to make his next fighting game a job anymore, & if he sticks with the game, It's more & more stress on trying to adapt to a fighting game he just doesn't enjoy anymore.
& Finally, to the whole "If Street Fighter 5 is currently frustrating you, there are plenty of other options out there" I do have some other fighting games, but the huge problem is, currently, only Street Fighter 5 & Smash 4 have an always active online playerbase. I myself have been having a bit of trouble on which fighting game to truly stick to as of now. & to any of you saying "Just play whatever you most enjoy!" to that I say, I have found 1 that I do most enjoy in terms of playstyle. Arcana Heart 3 Love Max. That game has so many movement options, so many neutral tools, & a creative af combo game! However, the thing is, that game has almost ZERO online base! No matter how many times I search up for Matches, Unless if I literally ask the community for matches, I NEVER get any results! I Also just got Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 on Xbox One with the same problem! For almost any fighting game, unless if it just came out withing a week, It is goddamn near impossible to find any matches! Street Fighter 5 has so limited neutral & combo options & is getting stale already yet it still is 1 of the very few fighting games that you can actually get consistant online matches without needing to grab friends or hope Maximillian Dood is streaming it at the moment! Street Fighter 5 Players NEED to go on strike right now, because the game is getting away with so much it's outright intolerable!
There's a big difference "over time" and overtime. You kept saying overtime but you meant over time. I slowly realized that as I kept reading and kept getting confused, lol.
If SF5 and SF4 mechanics merged into one game it could be awesome. Fadc (without crumple) for custom combos, multiple v trigger, v skills or supers per character, crush counters, a middle ground in link timing. I can dream.