Thanks Josh and especially you Stan. Deep respect. I’ve read all Stans books and listened to many a wonderful conversation and speech his shared, I miss hearing his reasonable, thoughtful, intelligent, experienced, kind and loving voice. I have no idea why anyone in Australia would have an issue with him, we are lucky to have him amongst us.
Wow, this guy has some interesting, persuasive arguments. Very well spoken. Glad to have been introduced to him. Thank you, from a card carrying atheist. Will look for his writings. Cheers!
So Stan's extraordinarily vague alternative to the limitations of liberalism is Catholicism? Or seemingly an even more hazy idea that if we all retreat to our own religious/cultural traditions, that these silos will somehow balance, by virtue of an improbable invisible hand, into both domestic and international peace? I wonder if there are any examples of this type of isolationism not working? Hmmm... Even if you define the historical imprint of the enlightenment in such a weird, esoteric way that you feel that it's simultaneously responsible for both Trump and wokeism; I'd take that in a heartbeat over an organisation that chooses to protect itself and paedophiles over their victims. All the while having the audacity to present itself as deserving to be listened to on issues of morality.
Love your work, Josh: but as you begin saying "2025 ... ending with a lot to think about", I thought - I wished that weren't a mistake, because I would like to analyse how the new US President, J.D. Vance, is going and how Australia weathered the Chinese government's attack on Taiwan, just to broach two plausible scenarios. I, too, have great respect for Stan Grant - but would suggest that "probably the most experienced international journalist Australia has ever produced" is a contestable statement saved only by the modifier "probably": it's not too hard to make the argument that John Pilger was that; and, I would argue, "Chinese" Morrison has credible claims of his own.
Stan Grant is great - I’ve read two of his books and always enjoy his commentary. But I can’t think about the ABC without wondering why so few people recognise it’s absolutely atrocious journalism on certain subjects; biased coverage which is actively harming people. As a lesbian I’m totally disenchanted with the ABC due to its financial relationship with ACON, and its refusal to report objectively on the vitally important issue of gay and lesbian children and teens being subject to a once in a lifetime medical assault scandal (social and medical “transition”). Of course we should be exposed to and take seriously the views of people who believe in gender identity ideology. But the ABC absolutely fails in its mandate to inform the Australian public and fails to present the scientific evidence and the perspectives of those of us who believe gender identity ideology is not only false, but extremely harmful - most of all to women, homosexuals, survivors of male violence, and children! I realise this topic isn’t in Stan’s areas of expertise or interest, but just thinking about the ABC makes me feel so furious and betrayed as a woman, a lesbian, and a taxpayer. I’d love to see the podcast so an episode interviewing one of the many Aussie gender critical campaigners and among other things discuss why the ABC propagandises gender identity ideology - and how it seems to get away with doing so.
There was a pretty good four corners on that topic of gender clinics & the fact that the UK & Scandinavian countries have been closing and regulating these due to conflicting or lack of evidence of good outcomes
Really Stan? Last time I heard from you, you were the most painfully woke man in Australia. Now you think Catholicism is a better system of Govt than Liberalism? Like the Islamic theocracies are working out so well. Are you still butt hurt about the Voice? Have you realised progressivism is essentially illiberal and wished the Govt just imposed the Voice on Australians? So we could have a new diocese to the religion of woke in Canberra? Except instead of populated by priests in Rome, it's populated by the same unaccountable race grifters who've spent their entire career getting rich off of failing to improve the lives of Aboriginal people? I'm not impressed.
Stan Grant has been a religious conservative for at least a decade. He also supported the Uluru statement from the heart and fiercely criticised what he perceived as racism while he worked at the ABC. Its not too complicated to hold these thoughts at the same, although you seem to be struggling.
Thanks Josh and especially you Stan. Deep respect. I’ve read all Stans books and listened to many a wonderful conversation and speech his shared, I miss hearing his reasonable, thoughtful, intelligent, experienced, kind and loving voice. I have no idea why anyone in Australia would have an issue with him, we are lucky to have him amongst us.
Wow, this guy has some interesting, persuasive arguments. Very well spoken. Glad to have been introduced to him. Thank you, from a card carrying atheist. Will look for his writings. Cheers!
terrific pod, really enjoyed the back and forths and respectful disagreeing
Great yarn fellas. Good to see Stan again, great to hear from a man of his experience.
this chat completely changed my take on Stan, he's much more reasonable that I thought. well done
This guy is only one step away from hosting his own show on the daily wire.
Great conversation
Josh repeatedly interrupts Stan and in so doing we are deprived of hearing Stan's ideas fully presented.
Terrible interviewer. Let people speak if you are inviting them on
So Stan's extraordinarily vague alternative to the limitations of liberalism is Catholicism? Or seemingly an even more hazy idea that if we all retreat to our own religious/cultural traditions, that these silos will somehow balance, by virtue of an improbable invisible hand, into both domestic and international peace? I wonder if there are any examples of this type of isolationism not working? Hmmm...
Even if you define the historical imprint of the enlightenment in such a weird, esoteric way that you feel that it's simultaneously responsible for both Trump and wokeism; I'd take that in a heartbeat over an organisation that chooses to protect itself and paedophiles over their victims. All the while having the audacity to present itself as deserving to be listened to on issues of morality.
Love your work, Josh: but as you begin saying "2025 ... ending with a lot to think about", I thought - I wished that weren't a mistake, because I would like to analyse how the new US President, J.D. Vance, is going and how Australia weathered the Chinese government's attack on Taiwan, just to broach two plausible scenarios. I, too, have great respect for Stan Grant - but would suggest that "probably the most experienced international journalist Australia has ever produced" is a contestable statement saved only by the modifier "probably": it's not too hard to make the argument that John Pilger was that; and, I would argue, "Chinese" Morrison has credible claims of his own.
Szeps thiinks the eu is anything close to democratic. Lolz
gosh Stan....
Stan Grant is great - I’ve read two of his books and always enjoy his commentary. But I can’t think about the ABC without wondering why so few people recognise it’s absolutely atrocious journalism on certain subjects; biased coverage which is actively harming people. As a lesbian I’m totally disenchanted with the ABC due to its financial relationship with ACON, and its refusal to report objectively on the vitally important issue of gay and lesbian children and teens being subject to a once in a lifetime medical assault scandal (social and medical “transition”). Of course we should be exposed to and take seriously the views of people who believe in gender identity ideology. But the ABC absolutely fails in its mandate to inform the Australian public and fails to present the scientific evidence and the perspectives of those of us who believe gender identity ideology is not only false, but extremely harmful - most of all to women, homosexuals, survivors of male violence, and children!
I realise this topic isn’t in Stan’s areas of expertise or interest, but just thinking about the ABC makes me feel so furious and betrayed as a woman, a lesbian, and a taxpayer. I’d love to see the podcast so an episode interviewing one of the many Aussie gender critical campaigners and among other things discuss why the ABC propagandises gender identity ideology - and how it seems to get away with doing so.
There was a pretty good four corners on that topic of gender clinics & the fact that the UK & Scandinavian countries have been closing and regulating these due to conflicting or lack of evidence of good outcomes
This along with other ideologies ABC puts forward, before objective news is why Ive lost a lot of faith in them.
Crikey
Really Stan? Last time I heard from you, you were the most painfully woke man in Australia. Now you think Catholicism is a better system of Govt than Liberalism? Like the Islamic theocracies are working out so well.
Are you still butt hurt about the Voice? Have you realised progressivism is essentially illiberal and wished the Govt just imposed the Voice on Australians? So we could have a new diocese to the religion of woke in Canberra? Except instead of populated by priests in Rome, it's populated by the same unaccountable race grifters who've spent their entire career getting rich off of failing to improve the lives of Aboriginal people? I'm not impressed.
I don't remember him saying that Catholicism was a better system of Govt than liberalism.
Stan Grant has been a religious conservative for at least a decade. He also supported the Uluru statement from the heart and fiercely criticised what he perceived as racism while he worked at the ABC. Its not too complicated to hold these thoughts at the same, although you seem to be struggling.
So what has this grifter got to say now...