*Chapters* 00:00 Gorilla 450 02:06 What Is Guerrilla 450 08:45 Design 12:09 Variants 12:39 Small Fuel Tank 13:36 Seat Height & Weight 14:49 Smooth Engine 17:35 Economy Mode 18:24 Average Tyres 20:05 Chassis Setup 22:50 Comfort 25:45 Brakes & ABS 25:50 Connectivity Updates 26:59 Seating Position 28:08 Cornering 29:30 Colours 30:14 Rider Electronics 31:14 Who Is It For? 32:43 Royal Enfield Mirrors 34:20 Competence vs Enthusiasm 36:50 Modern Royal Enfields Needed 40:43 Quick Summary 51:41 The Broken Frame 53:00 Between Two States 54:35 More 450s Incoming 56:43 Closing Comments *Explore MotorInc memberships* at youtube.com/@motorinc/join
Hi guys, love the review, love your honesty... I currently own an avenger 220 (originalversion) and it's been more than 10 years and I'm looking for an upgrade. My priorities are, comfortable ride, low seating position and a relaxed ride. So I looking for a cruiser but I can't think of anything else other than avenger again. This RE guerrilla looked promising but after the review in like back to square 1. Can you suggest any bikes that can solve my problem or should I still go with this guerrilla
bro i test rode this and unimpressed by this and liked scrambler400, it is botched up plastic surgery done to himalayan , too much fat tyre feels odd, riding posture is odd , very snappy and not so good looking, in city ride the 350s are better riding due to initial torque at lower rpms
@@HunterVlog350cc few things that you've mentioned here depends on your fitness too.👀 I've tested this bike twice first time i didn't like most probably because that dealership didn't fit the handlebar well The next time I took test ride from another dealer it was fun to ride although it can cruise like japanese bikes in higher gear at lower speed but the sitting triangle was ok, tyres are performed good In tarmac roads filled with potholes and the grunt is great post 3k rpm. The same week i rode ns400z as well it kinda lacks that punch along with the omph factor unlike Guerrilla450.
Whoever cut this video is a genius. The hidden story of this video is the gentleman on the left slowly dying inside bit by bit. Each reaction shot was carefully chosen to convey the emotions of sadness and profund disappointment. 😂
Tested this bike, not any issues with vibrations was very smooth. The dealership changed the tyres no problem or issues in the wet tires perfectly did the job. It will surprise a lot of people. It’s a very good bike and I will say different enough from others to be very individual.
Most "auto journalists" reviews read like advertorial and glossed over. Shumi and Karthik are a different kettle of fish; respected for their immense knowledge and opinion.
"I have torches which are more powerful than RE headlights" - Shumi of motorinc 🔥 Savage 😂 Agreed . . RE really need to look at their H.Light and breaking overall safety mechanism
@@motorinc Haha You both complement each other perfectly . A good combo of outgoing and ingoing personalities which we love to listen to Watch to Learn from. Carry on guys . 🤟
Talking about the stiff suspension, i am reminded of this great like Jeremy Clarkson used to describe a stiff suspension on a car he was reviewing "when you run over a pheasant, you will be able to tell if it was a male or a female"
That silver colour on the base model looks really good and simple and I was really excited for this one with the high praise of Himalayan. Well atleast now we as Indians have amazing variety of options to choose from in this ever so growing 400cc range. Can’t wait to test ride this one.
I must say watching your videos and listening to your podcast has greatly improved my understanding of motorcycles and how to ride them better (trying hard to be even better everyday). I rented Himalayan a couple of months back and I could relate to a lot of things that were mentioned on your channel especially the chassis, handling, suspension, headlight and the buzz in the mid range. Even with it’s niggles I did enjoy the ride. The kind of expertise you guys have and the way you guys explain every detail about a vehicle like no other automobile journalists out there is just spectacular. Membership is totally worth it! Also, can’t wait for Citroën Basalt story. And one small suggestion for last episode of Thisconnect - Maintenance of a vahicle, signs of parts getting worn out, what part to be replaced and when. I’m aware manual has a lot of things written (inspect, adjust, lube, replace) regarding the same but I’d like to know more beyond it. Also are there any non motorcycle brand specific service centers that we can go to who can service our vehicals better? Thank you!
This feels like with every engine royal enfield has, one bike will excel and be a very good package and one will be cheapened out but will have the most affordable price tag so it kind of justifies its existence. This is the longest quick summary on this channel I suppose 10/10 for Kartik sir to call it Gorilla 😂
This is an amazing podcast. The way you guys review and then explain it to a general audience is pin point. Every one is praising this bike so much but your analysis was great. I think you guys should do a series on hindi also so that you can reach to a wider audience. People need to hear you.
@@motorinc First Question, what am I supposed to do with this bike ? What's the purpose of its existence ? Touring- No Off Road- kinda yes.Can the Himalayan Toure and off-road? Sure.
Also folk, the Himalayan 650, is not a 650. I was at Bigrock dirt park where the testing for this bike happened. It’s got a dual disc set up at the front, and the folks testing it didn’t tell me much- but that it was a larger engine than the 650.
Quite the review that resonates with my impression of Guerrilla 450. Had a chance to be a pillion as I dropped my CB350 for service, a friend picked me up and dropped me back as well. Five minutes into the ride, I was remembering all the people who I discarded in my life asking me "aapki back mein dard nahi hota.." .. it was the first motorcycle I came across doing that to me. May be its just a pillion thing but it's bad. I kept deciding in my thoughts, that I will request my friend not to mind if I take a cab back to pick up my bike but of course he'd mind so I hitched the hike back and was done with it. The other thing was how it threw up the muck from the road up the pillion's back. Couple of more things, not sure if many will agree with, the whole lower part of the motorcycle, engine, engine casings in particular, the exhaust pipe, it all suits the demeanor of HImalayan for it being rough and tough and industrial which gives it character and to get dusty on off roads. But in my humble opinion, road bike has to be pretty. This is clearly not, and the blunder of paint schemes is a deal breaker. Out of context of the above, currently I am obsessing over the BSA Gold Star. Looking forward to the ride review. Mentally decided to pick one but cannot really seal the deal without your expert comments.
Hey Tarun! Good to see you in the comments again! The pillion thing is also related to preload. it's set to the softest, which means raising it a few notches would probably have felt a lot more settled and comfortable. Point about the initial charm of the design is spot on! As to the BSA: CL isn't too keen on us reviewing their products since our Jawa 350 review (seen it?). And the point we made in that is valid for the BSAGS650 too. They're working on product quality and ownership experience right now. We'd rather you bought their products after their finished the work, rathe than now.
Your love for the automobile is stark clear, you must have time of your life recording these conversation. it transcends through camera and display straight to heart. Love it every bit.
I keep going to the RE showroom in Hyderabad and they are quite generous with giving out test rides. I took test rides of Himalayan (3 times total), Super Meteor, ShotGun, Guerrilla over multiple visits. They are generous enough for me to do a test ride of more than 1 motorcycle back to back. On one such visit, I rode the Himalayan and Guerrilla back to back and the engine definitely felt a lot more smoother on the Guerrilla. At idle, at around 4k, at around 6k. Everywhere. The engine felt much better on the Guerilla for sure. As a 5' 7" guy, the motorcycle was also a lot easier to handle than the Himalayan.
46:08 I literally laughed rolling on the floor. Only Shumi and Karthikeya can make us watch a full 45 minute video of they both talking, It is so informative yet fun to watch.🤩🤩🤩
So I did a back to back test ride of Guerilla and the Himalayan. I think 95% of the people will be catered by the performance and handling of the guerrilla. It felt more planted as the centre of mass is lower. The power delivery felt smoother than the Himalayan. It did feel like riding a more powerful hunter 350 but better than it in every manner. I've tested the speed and scrambler too. But i personally felt they are more flat and not as fizzy as guerilla right off the bat. And they felt as physically smaller bikes too. Another small ick for me in the Triumph twins were if they could've swapped the needle for the rpm meter instead of speedometer and have the speed digitally shown. No complaints about the meters in Triumph as it does its job as it should. The intake sound on the guerilla is just pure bliss. Gives you the feel of riding something substantial and powerful which it is. Both are not dull machines in any aspects. But what I felt was the guerilla is like a fresh direction for RE and I hope they continue on this path of making good performance motorcycles. I won't complain too much about the tank size. Would I have liked more capacity? Yes. But will I non stop ride for no less than 200 - 300 kms at one stretch without taking any break? I doubt it. I doubt the majority of the riders on the road do the same given the conditions of roads and their ability to sit on the saddle continuously all day long. The 5-10% of people who may continuously ride that much might feel the lesser capacity being a hurdle. All in all it is a good motorcycle :)
@@suryanshridesbikes I like the semi digital setup too! It's just that the speedo should've been on the digital and the analogue needle should've been the rev counter. Would've been lovely that way Just my small preference 😄
Guerilla should be pronounced as Gae-riya. The word originates from the Spanish word Guerra (war) combined with little resulting in Guerilla literally meaning small war or little war. Just a nugget of knowledge if anyone was wondering.
Man I absolutely love this kind of discussion where you explain in detail why certain elements In the bike are designed in a way from designers perspective. I always learn new things watching these videos. Sometimes I have to open a new tab and google somethings to understand what you are talking about which shows that I am always learning. Great work guys. This is what separates you from others where they just read spec sheet and has no clue why it is in that way. Watched entire video without skipping a beat and top notch production too. Worth my time♥
Awesome awesome awesome! We love your comment and approach, Sriharsha! We love that you enjoy the watch, that you google what you don't understand and learning. This is awesome.
I testrode both guerilla and 2 himalayans. One himalayan was way smoother than the other(in terms of power delivery). I can confirm that guerilla felt like it had lesser vibration than himalayan. It might be the tuning like you said but my guess is that the chassis preventing the vibration to reach the rider.
I dont know if its a region thing but reviewers in India straight up meatride the company or bike they are reviewing. Really refreshing to hear an actual review after a while. Bravo. 🙏
Knowledge - check. Presentation - check. Humour - check. Innate Love for Motorcycles - check. The way you both dive into the topic and talk about it, your passion speaks more than words. I am not looking to buy a new bike or a sedan as of now, but I would still watch all those videos coz you inspire me with the fact that this is what happens when you do what you love. People just want to be there and fuel themselves with your zeal. Hats off to both of you !
Some of us don't want bikes to commit themselves too much to one particular type of riding. That's what I like about this except for the fuel tank. Definitely considering this option.
@motorinc may be I guess it's all about preferences. A casual rider like me who doesn't want to go fast on a highway or offroading these kind of bikes make more sense. Suspension might be an issue like you said, need to take a test ride but overall definitely worth considering for me.
@@nbmh360just empty 2 litre coke bottle for linger trip petrol 😂. How much bigger is the tank with say 1.5 to 2 litres more capacity. I think it looks pretty good though.
Hey, Just wanted to ask how much of niggles of Guerrilla 450 could be just solved by changing the tyres to more road biased tyres? If possible could you test a more road biased tyres on Guerrilla 450 in your 'View' review.
I tested the guerrilla and Himalayan back to back and found that guerrilla is slightly smoother than Himalayan but my personal preference would be Himalayan to guerrilla.
Probably the only people in the entire nation who give unfiltered N unbiased judgement on point, without sugar coating and without bending the knee for company.
As im its owner theres also another issue with ride modes. The moment you set Eco mode it will come back to Performance mode whence you shut the engine. Then again it needs to be put in Eco mode when you start again and its annoying because you cant always remember to switch it to and fro everytime. Overall i loved the handling and cornering experience of this bike. It has good accessibility than that of Himalayan which seems to be much heavier. And I drove a CL 350 before and so far I believe its a lovely upgrade. 2 points you really got into is color combination which is awful and that backplate gap of headlight also looks like its unfinished there but it can get solved by instrument cowl accessory to some extent . Loved your review though✌
I am perplexed. I have exactly the opposite experience to Shumi whe it comes to the Ceat tyres. I did not find it lacking grip. And i do have a 2021 rc390 with road 5s, duke 390 that had apollos and were immediately swapped with road 5s and a himalayan on stock ceat with 8000km on it now. It is stiff and does not come close to the himalayan, yes. But I found the grip in wet far better than apollos. And yes, the G450 is smoother than the H450 when I got it. But my h450 now is much smoother than a new G450. There is absolute night and day difference in how smooth it has become. No aggressive vibes at 100-115kph. I do have a Fuel x and a BMC air filter. But if two simple mods makes the sherpa that smooth, it is a bargain. And the mirrors I got also had the same issue on the H450. I adjusted the mirrors, and spannered it tightly. Never had to touch it again. And they are good mirrors with minimal vibes and I could discern the car manufacturer by their headlight shape in the night with the antiglare coating coming stock. It has to be seen if I just ran into the jackpot with the perfect RE made. I am truly perplexed. edit : P.s. Michelin road 5 is available in 120/160. And there are eurogrip roadhounds as well.
Hey Doc! We didn't say all Ceat tyres. Shumi's comments were specific to the ones on the GRR. The Himalayan tyres, for example, work quite well for what they are. If the filter/piggyback solved the vibration for you, that's awesome news. We do believe the GRR maps - smoother than H450 - will find their way back to the Himalayan too. Yes the point isn't that it can't be fixed. The point is the predictably loosening mirrors are a RE speciality now, practically a standing joke during testing. As to the tyre sizes. Just compare the prices of the 110/150 sets, like the ProTorque Extreme, or H1 to the 120/160 set and you'll see why we say finding alternatives is more challenging
@@motorinc I was referring to the Ceats on the GRR and not the himalayan. Yeah, the mirror vendor is definitely taking out some pichle janam ka badlaa with RE. And yes, I do understand the 120/160 are a fair bit more expensive, But also of much higher quality. The roadhounds show great promise. The michelin 120/160s are made in Spain and not Thailand. etc etc. I do remember the time when KTMs came into our lives with 110/150 section tyres. How many options were there back then? Yes, the GRR is not even close to being as influential as the gen 1 d390 was. We both are coming at it from different directions, I guess. Royal Enfield will never make an outright stance on modernisation. It will be gradual. And there will be hits and misses. I am frustrated with this as well. I do not know why my Himalayan cannot come with twin projector lamps. I am happy they did away with the tail-lamp otherwise it would be a circle or rectangle as well. My gripe with the mirrors is not that they are not done well from the factory, but that they are round and not showing a big chunk of what is happening behind me. round mirrors do not work. Not on the desert x and not here. But H450 is a huge step forward for RE. If only RE launched GRR first and then the H450.
@@motorincRE’s testing team is a joke from my personal experience. My month old GT’s indicators are not aligned properly, headlights are aligned towards higher side and the elephant in the room is the Throttle Body which is defective from day one. RE service center is replacing in warranty but this ruins the customer experience.If possible please do pass this feedback to RE so that other customers won’t suffer like this.
@@MedicOnAMotorcycle Cummon man, you think a global giant like RE can't figure out mirrors. It's done so that you can buy their touring mirrors which are 6K onwards. Just like most of their bikes come with tube tyres and spoke wheels so you can spend extra 20k to buy alloys and tubeless.
@@thecontentstreet1837 Getting the touring mirrors from RE is extremely stupid. They are made of the same anti glare glass and of the exact same diameter. And I am not sure if keeping the mirror stalk adjusters loose is a business strategy or pure complacency about their product. It is annoying either ways. I think tube tyres is more because of aesthetics of of the spoke rims. And while Shumi in his This connect said he has suffered immediate deflation and a near accident scenario with tubes, i have suffered the same with tubeless on my rc200 when both alloys just cracked simultaneously and i almost clobbered into a flyover divider. So I do not hate tubes as much as other do. A simple can of motul P3 and a battery operated tyre inflator keeps me safe.
I'm glad you guys hold yourselves and the vehicles you review to a high standard, talking about what it could/should be rather than just what it is. IMO opinionated journalism like this is much more valuable and helpful to people compared to more mainstream channels which basically reiterate marketing points.
I took a test drive last week and it was the very basic test drive which is 1-2 kms and no extensive testing. I really enjoyed it and have been dreaming about it to become my next upgrade. Up until I watched this full episode. In the beginning, felt like breaking the fourth wall and slapping Shumi left to right and right to left😂. However, after listening furthermore I really started to realise how valid those points were. Great stuff by motorinc channel. Keep up the good work. I still haven't planned to buy a new bike yet and would take a couple more months to get my financials right. By that time, more motorcycles can be expected to launch( like remaining 450's 😂) and I will wait to listen to all what Motorinc has to say about them as well.
52:46 : can totally relate to this as an Himalayan owner. I don't have to find reasons to ride the Himalayan. Whatever it is, wherever it is, I am confident to take it out and that puts a smile on my face. My request to anyone who is considering the GRR450 is to take a long test ride of the Himalayan 450 as well....
@Quenchedfooty: Someone posted on yesterday's community post that the RE dealer informed them that Sep24 the tubeless rims would come at ₹25k more than the prices of the Kamet White/Hanle Black. We've asked RE for a confirmation, let's see what they say
RE had this problem since ages.. I replaced my TB 350 stock mirrors with Bajaj Avenger mirrors and never looked back since then.. Of course I do use them to look back at the vehicles tho.. 🤓
Words of wisdom! I had been waiting patiently for the Guerrilla 450 to be launched since I first came to know about it, did the test ride as soon as the first bike hit the nearest dealership. After the test ride, my brain was supremely confused about what this bike is supposed to be, I felt like it has power it can deliver but why is it hesitant to do that. I had been feeling confused about what to think about it, do I want it ? would I love it ? Then I took back to back test rides of Himalayan and Guerrilla and found out that even though Himalayan is a bigger one out of the two motorcycles, somehow Himalayan seems more organic than Guerrilla, a better bike to own, a better machine to love riding on.
I've never seen a more negative review of this bike! I took the test ride of this bike and I didn't expect the suspension to be as good as the Himalayan. I found the handling to be great. For me the wind buffeting and the engine heat was too much in the the Himalayan when I rode them back to back. But the thing is I do not have a use case to buy a Himalayan nor do I want a bike as energetic as the Duke. I think this bike sits right in the middle. It is snatchy up front and hence give it a certain character. But again, I test rode two bikes and the second one was much smoother and not so twitchy as the first one. I don't know what the issue is...
After watching nearly an hour of the Motorinc Guerrilla video, I can confidently say that they’re not claiming it’s a bad motorcycle, nor is it a negative review. If you watch other videos, you'll notice a mix of both positive and negative points. Based on that, you can form your own opinion. They provide a thorough explanation of all aspects, and Shumi specifically mentioned in this video that he had tested 15-16 motorcycles over 1-2 months. He noted that this bike's tires feel more slippery in wet conditions compared to others. So, he has more data for comparison, whereas your perspective is based on a much shorter ride distance.
@@sauravkr2011 I've test rode 2 bikes, 2 times already for a considerable amount of time angering the showroom sales guy (which i did not appreciate at all. I agree Schumi is far more experienced in testing and riding motorcycles. However the complete lack of enthusiasm and dejection put me off. It felt like they went in with expectations and felt disappointed when it didn't match their expectation. For example, I found handling was not at all bad. I took it down curvy mountainous road and was really surprised and happy with the way it conquered them with ease. It felt so natural for the bike, like it is how it was meant to be... Schumi said he did not like the handling (if I remember it right)!
Watched this almost 60 min. Discussion without a skip or fast forward. I can’t even watch 8-10 min bike review videos without fast forwarding… Only this duo can do this… Big 👍🏻👍🏻 for Shumi
Are our Tyre Manufacturers really that bad. Iam seeing a lot of complaints regarding tyres more than machines and I never heard anyone said oh this tyre just blew me away
@@motorinc Yeah I agree but is it global level or they still have room for improvement to compete at global markets with Pirelli or michellin is the question
46:10 you certainly need one for lubing and cleaning the chain. cannot trust a paddock stand, but that may be just me. yes, the guerilla is much smoother than the Himalayan. Rode the Himmy first, then the guerilla. The himalayan felt rattly when you rode the guerilla next. Spot on with the tyres. Excellent in the dry, worst in the wet due to the edgy pattern (and will wear out sooner if you use the rear brake a lot). Missed the Metzelers/Alpha H1s on my 390. Kartikeya, get on the bike and experience it once for 20 km like I did. Your opinions will change. Apart from the softy suspension at >60 kmph that interrupts the corners and undulations, amazing city thrasher. Rode like a chapri after quite some time. I dont. It made me by being so good on power and braking.
I dont know why woulld RE name a roadster or a street bike guerilla because guerilla is supposed to be art of mountain warfare If good mountain bike would have this name it woulld be awesome cuz it would symbolize the war of the machine against rocks and mountaineous debris which would nice Also its such a niche word and we have started calling it gorilla 🥲😭😭
@motorinc it's actually my dumb brain, which tries to find symbolism in everything which makes me even more annoyed Not a very useful way to spend energy
well tbf guerrilla doesnt mean mountain warfare. it's unconventional warfare that prioritizes mobility and flexibility. the name makes good sense imo since guerrilla warfare is usually employed by small forces against more equipped adversaries.
@@anirudhsathian4204ah ok i had always thought that guerrilla it was mountainous warfare but doing the research realized that it was unconventional warfare My misconception was due to the reason that I used to read in history books which defined guerilla warfare as mountainous warfare Thanks for clarifying my misconception
I agree with Kartikeya, just the first glance of the bike killed the vibe . I mean it looks like scrambler from back half, and for the front half it looks like someone hammered a baseball bat on the tank🤕. It just feels weird. I think as you mentioned they should have done mild version of this and fully aggressive version. They did with Himalayan(basic and rally one), they could have done with Guerrilla something similar with calm and aggressive nature.
True. Big fan of the new Himalayan (with the hope that they'll refine it over the years) but Guerrilla is the most disproportionate and hideous of all RE's so far. It is a symbol of being lost and confused. As a biker you are supposed to identify with any design deep within yourself. With this one, I don't know what it is. Looks like a highschool science project contraption which will not leave the exhibition hall.
Sumi should be inducted as an independent director on the Board of Enfield motors to ensure 0 defects bike in future. Hope Mr.Lal takes my advise seriously
Hi I have been listening/watching your reviews of every bike when ever you dropped them on different channel, then found this channel and still i enjoy your reviews. Coming to Guerrilla 450 : I owned 2 pulsars 200ns and 160N, I took test ride of 450 yesterday : on first gear the bike stalled : then on second try i put more juice on throttle and it picked pace which felt flat like why is this bike not going fast then i shfter to second gear and my goodness what a pull i had witnessed just aggressive was staggering!! 🤯 Then with 3rd gear 4th gear it kept pulling and pulling it was like bike was testing me what have you got? It scared me as back of the mind i know there is no traction so grip from tyers are my only friend. On support from them was feeling confident they can handle the bike. Suppension and brakes where alright not something out of the world but for the package which is being offered it felt alright. Now I am finding myself in a weird spot, I want to buy a new bike something which does not bore me something which i want to keep for long term like my NS 200 which was with me for 10 years (2012) pathetic brakes tho. Bored with current N160 having it for past 2 years its peppy but everthing fades out quite soon. I am confused between the following bikes : 1) Pulsar ns 400z 2) Apache rtr 310 3) Classic 350 4) Guerrilla 450 I am struggling to find the right bike i have 3 lakhs but a lot of question. The 350 is exception in this list as this is no acceleration machine rather relaxed laid back type of bike. Please suggest which bike I should look for which will keep me entertained for a decade atleast. I am open to suggestions apart from the list as well. I have never taken a road trip my bikes barely sees highway. I liked RE because i rented 350 in manali and liked its torque sound. In city i like going fast. Its just too confusing for me too even explain.
I've been hooked on this auto channel! It's a breath of fresh air in the world of automotive content. The plain white background might seem minimalist, but it's actually a genius move that allows the content to shine. I've binged watched countless videos and shorts in just a few days. Highly recommended for anyone looking for a unique and engaging automotive experience.
16:43 I own a Himalayan 450, and I tested the guerrilla 450. Points about guerrilla Guerilla is a bit smoother Its agile and much easier in traffic Felt much smaller (to me atleast) Suspension a bit stiffer than the Himalayan
I just did a 2 hour test drive of Guerrilla 450 yesterday and couldn't agree more with Mr. Shubhabrata . Mr. shubhabrata I love your work , you are a guy who gives unbiased, no-nonsense, straight to the point opinion. Great Work Sir. 💯✅👏👏
The channel's commitment to clarity and thoroughness in their auto reviews is truly commendable. They have a knack for distilling complex information into digestible content that ensures viewers grasp every aspect of the review. The team's dedication to the basics, without sacrificing depth, sets a high standard in automotive journalism. It's no wonder viewers are tipping their hats to the creators and the unseen team working tirelessly behind the scenes. This channel is not just a source of information; it's a masterclass in how to engage and educate an audience, making it a paragon for others in the field. Indeed, it should be considered a benchmark for auto reviews.❤
Today is my engagement and I was a little stressed with anxiety. And I needed a good distraction. And you guys made it so fun full to watch a 1 hour video of bike which in no way suits my budget or lifestyle. So thank you so much team ❤
4 minutes into the video and I'm already commenting this. Shumi's way of explaining everything is beautiful and he even makes the technicalities so interesting that i actually want to listen to what has been done to the bike rather than just jumping on to is it worth buying. I've said this before, Shumi really is an SME.
These guys are soo great together.. they get so much on the table. you can see a genuine thirst for bikes.. please so share my regards to Kartik and Shumi
16:45 - I and my friend have himalayan 450 feb manufactured bikes. Another friend recently got a Himalayan a month back. The newer one is much smoother in terms of vibration and engine sound, it’s a huge difference. There are vibrations as Shumi said, but much much smoother now. So I guess it has started to trickle down to newly manufactured Himalayans as well.
It's nothing very dramatic - had an RE for 7 years and it had some minor niggles (the left side rear view mirror comment in video brought back some memories). Then I sold the bike and was bike-less for a number of years. Looking to get back into motorcycling now and I've concluded that I need a lighter bike. That and my wife's back hated my RE's suspension.
Having sold my Meteor 350 was waiting for Guerrilla to decide among,G450, H450 and Scrambler 400x. Did the test ride on the day G450 was launched in showroom. 2 things on my priority I clearly didn't like- Suspension and Low end torque. 2 things I liked - Relative bigger size to Triumph and Colors. Also like the punchy midrange. Because of suspension it was an easy decision and same day went n booked the Scrambler 400X H450 ruled out due to weight and tube tyres even though excellent suspension
I used to be a regular motorinc viewer and commenter, but now I joined a job in Mahape, Navi Mumbai... and now everything is haywire. So I'm listening to this on Monday morning while making breakfast.... couldn't make up time to listen to the latest podcast too... feeling a bit sad. But sliver lining is I'm closer to motorinc and you two, maybe some fine morning or evening I'll get to see Shumi or Kartikey on road... maybe. ❤
The Spain trip might have swayed some opinions... Thanks for the unbiased one, folks. Anyone else told you that your episodes are the perfect white noise? No faffy music, just two guys talking cars and bikes.
Every time you guys says how the Himalayan 450 has raised that benchmark with that great suspension and chassis, It brings me goosebumps thinking how I enjoy riding my Himalayan 450 every single day ❤ big smiles and great great content, enjoyed much😄
Jesus! These two guys can actually talk about one single bike for a one whole ducking hour and still keep the viewer engaged. Really Nice in-depth video. And I agree with the broken frame thing, m sure that’s a thing of past. But even when you guys were praising Himalayan (especially chassis) so much, only thing that was coming in my mind is “didn’t that shit had the frame broken which I saw all over the internet”. Sure it must have improved after iterations but it it still remains in my mind. It broke couple of times, It is what it is.
When I want to form an opinion about a motorcycle, I first see if Motorinc has covered it on their channel, and if so, I watch and listen to their video. That way, when I go for a test drive, I know what to watch out for. Outstanding work once more!
Kartikeya reminds me of a friend, just can't figure which one!! His reactions seem so genuine especially at 12:31, with him unable to comprehend the Go-rilla, and just letting Shumi 'carry on' 🙂
Rode the guerrilla and found it much more fun and playful than the himi, definitely less vibrations. found that playful nature shockingly similar to my Ducati scrambler, I would go so far as to call this a baby version of the scrambler icon I have :D
I just watched tthe whole epsiode and here I am typing this message. Im just the average motorcyclist and not a moto-journalist like the two of your fine gentlemen. Saying that, I have been in the RE eco system, like most of us here have been or still are. This is such a honest review and I'm not talking just the bike, but for what the brand could have taken this platform too or even further. It is what it is, i guess for Royal Enfield. I just want say thank you, oh btw, on a side note, i use this podcast as a casestudy on how a "product review" should be hosted for office. Much Love Jeremy Dcruz PS: My wife just kept laughing and she was like i told you so, listen to Shumi & Karthick .
Just opened RUclips after I came back from the test drive and RUclips recommended me this video 😅 Clutch is that typical "RE" feel, hard clutch. Rear seat comfort is bad. Low speed and low rpm jerks are very less considering a large single cylinder. City traffic filtering is okay and hitting corners and flickering ability is on the lower average side... maybe because I have a Duke 390 Overall I'd say RE has really stepped up their game 👌 but still a lot more to achieve like a Twin 600 series in this platform.
I test rode both the Guerilla 450 & Himalayan 450 back to back - And, the observations are as below: Guerilla 450: The test bike I rode had about 300km on the odometer. The engine is punchy as hell above 3000rpm, right up to the redline - Looks like RE intentionally reduced fueling below 3000rpm to meet emissions as well as to save the slipper clutch from premature wear due to torsional vibrations. 2nd gear and 3rd gear pulls from 3000rpm onwards are quite a rush and addictive with that induction howl (far better than most bikes in this segment). But, that is where the fun ends. The motor is always on "urgency mode" where it does not want to hold revs at a range even with a steady throttle. In some ways; this engine seems rev hungry like the Gen-1 D390. This makes traffic rides a literal pain; especially with the non-adjustable clutch and brake levers. The clutch lever is too far away for comfortable use in traffic - even for my bear claws with 3XL sized riding gloves. And, the rear brake is way too sharp; leading to tail stepping out before the ABS kicks-in. I tried this on 2 more bikes - All 3 had this similar issue with rear brake being too sharp. The overall posture is too "show-off"-ish in my opinion; with stretched out arms and the rider triangle felt too tight for my 6'1" heavy-set frame. I would not recommend it simply due to the pegs being too raised up (similar to D390). Speed 400 felt far better overall in terms of ergonomics. Also, the CEAT tires are just average. This is an area where RE has actually faltered. They have forgotten that Europe's preferences towards motorcycle expenses are far different than India. All motorcycle manufacturers in India have stayed at the 110/150 tire width for front and rear respectively not just for manufacturing cost savings; but also for the life cycle replacement costs of the tires in this segment. 110/150 sizes are easily available for around 8-9k a pair across most brands. But, 120/160 sizes START at around 21-22k a pair. That is something which many owners will complain about after the OE pair wears out. And; they would then take 110/150; which would possibly upset handling and reduce the ground clearance as well. Himalayan 450: The test bike I rode had about 3000km on the odometer. And, this bike felt like it has already covered 30000km. Horrible vibrations right from idle, all the way to the redline. The bike had so much valvetrain clatter; that it felt as if the tappets were worn out already. The engine revved freely, but was very subdued in performance compared to the Guerilla. 2nd and 3rd gear pulls were not as urgent. And, the brakes felt wooden for some reason. Also, it was a herculean task to make U-turns on the bike compared to the Guerilla. Sure; it could have better comfort and ground clearance for off-roading; but it is not comparable to something like the Scrambler 400X or even the D390 ADV. Overall, I would not recommend either of these motorcycles due to RE's half-hearted attempt in delivering a product which could have actually punched way above their weight and redefined the class benchmark.
Okay I am adding my two bits here because Shumi hinted at it multiple times, but didnt quite flesh it out as much as it should. Based on my 2 test rides of the Guerrilla, I feel the tyres are the Achilles heel of this motorcycle. Its primarily a city slicker motorcycle, not a tourer by any stretch, since it doesnt even try to build a platform for a windshield and saddles. This by design is meant to go fast and at low gears to allow you to cut through traffic and city contours. And herein lies its biggest problem. Due to the chunky, non-grippy tyres, the motorcycle doesnt like to tilt as much as it should. It corners just fine on a open road, because the chassis and the engine give it the capability. But in bumper to bumper traffic, this bike doesnt allow you to change lanes swiftly or cut diagonals between cars/vehicles because by virtue of those tyres, it prefers to hold its line. Its kind of like the Classic 350. And therefore the tractability suffers. With better radial tyres the Guerrilla will become a much better handling motorcycle. Also this motorcycle is not for new riders. It delivers all its 'speed mania' in the 2nd and 3rd gears and all of it is instant thanks to the ride by wire. I was able to hit 10-108 in a stretch of just 250 odd meters. That's not ideal for a motorcycle that needs to be persuaded to swerve in city traffic. The KTM 390 gives the rider a more appropriate stance to manoeuvre the motorcycle. The guerrilla has too upright and laid back riding posture to afford you total control. Those moments that Shumi spoke of, are moments of magic when the rider suddenly decides to open the throttle and gun the machine. Its as exhilarating as a cocaine hit. But you know what comes from those moments of abandon - crash and burn for the average joe. If you're an inexperienced rider, comeback to the Guerrilla after a few years.
met a random guy at a KTM showroom while waiting for my test ride for the Adv390, and he mentioned this channel. Haven't missed a video since. keep it up guys 😇
*Chapters*
00:00 Gorilla 450
02:06 What Is Guerrilla 450
08:45 Design
12:09 Variants
12:39 Small Fuel Tank
13:36 Seat Height & Weight
14:49 Smooth Engine
17:35 Economy Mode
18:24 Average Tyres
20:05 Chassis Setup
22:50 Comfort
25:45 Brakes & ABS
25:50 Connectivity Updates
26:59 Seating Position
28:08 Cornering
29:30 Colours
30:14 Rider Electronics
31:14 Who Is It For?
32:43 Royal Enfield Mirrors
34:20 Competence vs Enthusiasm
36:50 Modern Royal Enfields Needed
40:43 Quick Summary
51:41 The Broken Frame
53:00 Between Two States
54:35 More 450s Incoming
56:43 Closing Comments
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Gorilla 😂😂😂
Hi guys, love the review, love your honesty...
I currently own an avenger 220 (originalversion) and it's been more than 10 years and I'm looking for an upgrade. My priorities are, comfortable ride, low seating position and a relaxed ride. So I looking for a cruiser but I can't think of anything else other than avenger again. This RE guerrilla looked promising but after the review in like back to square 1.
Can you suggest any bikes that can solve my problem or should I still go with this guerrilla
@@kumarbeckham what about the RE Meteor or Super Meteor?
Hi, could you please make a video on the Pulsar RS200? Is it worth buying in 2024?
Shumi sir, you missed adding 12:32
it definitely deserves a place...please add it 😁
With almost all reviewers praising this bike, I wanted an unbiased opinion; Hence, here I am. Eagerly waiting for a Motorinc View for this too. ❤
Thanks for joining us, Vishesh! What did you think?
So true! Everyone is praising this one and alsmost all vehicles left and right these days as if there disappointing machines have just stop existing.
@@visheshphadke Other reviewers are trying to be in good books of all the manufacturers. I love @Motorinc for the honest reviews...
bro i test rode this and unimpressed by this and liked scrambler400, it is botched up plastic surgery done to himalayan , too much fat tyre feels odd, riding posture is odd , very snappy and not so good looking, in city ride the 350s are better riding due to initial torque at lower rpms
@@HunterVlog350cc few things that you've mentioned here depends on your fitness too.👀
I've tested this bike twice first time i didn't like most probably because that dealership didn't fit the handlebar well
The next time I took test ride from another dealer it was fun to ride although it can cruise like japanese bikes in higher gear at lower speed but the sitting triangle was ok, tyres are performed good In tarmac roads filled with potholes and the grunt is great post 3k rpm. The same week i rode ns400z as well it kinda lacks that punch along with the omph factor unlike Guerrilla450.
In just a month I have formed such a deep love for this channel and the team involved its crazy
Thank you very much @ManavBhatiaaa. We'll pass on your compliments to the team.
Welcome home brother
Same here❤❤
Seriously can spend a whole lazy rainy day listening to these two maestro talking and discussing bikes ..love the content
Thank you so much @rokterock!
Whoever cut this video is a genius. The hidden story of this video is the gentleman on the left slowly dying inside bit by bit. Each reaction shot was carefully chosen to convey the emotions of sadness and profund disappointment. 😂
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Review Java 42 2024 new model
Tested this bike, not any issues with vibrations was very smooth. The dealership changed the tyres no problem or issues in the wet tires perfectly did the job. It will surprise a lot of people. It’s a very good bike and I will say different enough from others to be very individual.
Awesome! Thanks for letting us know!
@simob7862 did you get your tire replaced from dealership for free? If Yes, which size and brand ?
My friend also changed the tyers
@@VarunSowmya1822 I have the same question too - leaving this here so I get notified. Thanks.
Which company tyre pls confirm was it changed free of cost?
Finally someone who is not biased for or grateful for the Spain ride. And detailed analysis is what I love and here for, thanks Shumi sir.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks @rokterock!
Most "auto journalists" reviews read like advertorial and glossed over.
Shumi and Karthik are a different kettle of fish; respected for their immense knowledge and opinion.
And there is a difference between spec sheet readers and journalists.
Perfect start to the morning 😊
Hunter 450 is what came to mind when I saw it for the first time 😅😅
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It's like when hunter and Himalayan had a baby
@@govind9402 A Himalayan-Hunter Offspring should have been named YETI and not Gorilla.😂 Coz Gorilla makes it an African Baby. 😂
@@sayanmandal2246 yaaaa yati
Finally some else thinks the same.I saw a Hunter 350 on the road yesterday and i was thinking doesn't the Guerrilla and Hunter look exactly the same.
"I have torches which are more powerful than RE headlights"
- Shumi of motorinc 🔥
Savage 😂
Agreed .
. RE really need to look at their H.Light and breaking overall safety mechanism
Also, he really does have torches like that 🤦🏽♂️
@@motorinc Haha
You both complement each other perfectly . A good combo of outgoing and ingoing personalities which we love to
listen to
Watch to
Learn from.
Carry on guys . 🤟
Thanks @viru5183!
@@motorinc Is he into cave exploration or something?
@@abhinavrathor9856 personally we all would like to know answers for this @motorinc
Talking about the stiff suspension, i am reminded of this great like Jeremy Clarkson used to describe a stiff suspension on a car he was reviewing "when you run over a pheasant, you will be able to tell if it was a male or a female"
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Man I remembered that lmao
That silver colour on the base model looks really good and simple and I was really excited for this one with the high praise of Himalayan. Well atleast now we as Indians have amazing variety of options to choose from in this ever so growing 400cc range. Can’t wait to test ride this one.
Agreed!
I must say watching your videos and listening to your podcast has greatly improved my understanding of motorcycles and how to ride them better (trying hard to be even better everyday).
I rented Himalayan a couple of months back and I could relate to a lot of things that were mentioned on your channel especially the chassis, handling, suspension, headlight and the buzz in the mid range. Even with it’s niggles I did enjoy the ride.
The kind of expertise you guys have and the way you guys explain every detail about a vehicle like no other automobile journalists out there is just spectacular. Membership is totally worth it!
Also, can’t wait for Citroën Basalt story.
And one small suggestion for last episode of Thisconnect - Maintenance of a vahicle, signs of parts getting worn out, what part to be replaced and when.
I’m aware manual has a lot of things written (inspect, adjust, lube, replace) regarding the same but I’d like to know more beyond it.
Also are there any non motorcycle brand specific service centers that we can go to who can service our vehicals better?
Thank you!
Requests noted, @freshoutofthesoundfactory7712! Glad you're enjoying the MotorInc experience!
Welcome home brother
This feels like with every engine royal enfield has, one bike will excel and be a very good package and one will be cheapened out but will have the most affordable price tag so it kind of justifies its existence.
This is the longest quick summary on this channel I suppose 10/10 for Kartik sir to call it Gorilla 😂
Good point AC!
Every chanel in YT has given its verdict but I always wait for you guys to lay it down plain and simple.
Thank you for the faith, and for your patience, Karthik!
This is an amazing podcast. The way you guys review and then explain it to a general audience is pin point. Every one is praising this bike so much but your analysis was great. I think you guys should do a series on hindi also so that you can reach to a wider audience. People need to hear you.
Thanks @chekhurra! We're working on Hindi... stay tuned!
The disappointment was palpable in the review. Kartik's right, even my excitement fizzled the moment I saw the bike.
Why did your excitement fizzle out? Please explain?
@@motorinc First Question, what am I supposed to do with this bike ? What's the purpose of its existence ? Touring- No Off Road- kinda yes.Can the Himalayan Toure and off-road? Sure.
my excitement died when I saw the color schemes which didn't aligned to my taste
Cant blame them sir, rite ?!?!? lol . I am with you as well.
Also folk, the Himalayan 650, is not a 650. I was at Bigrock dirt park where the testing for this bike happened. It’s got a dual disc set up at the front, and the folks testing it didn’t tell me much- but that it was a larger engine than the 650.
Really! Thanks for letting us know!
Bigrock in Hyderabad or Bangalore? Just curious.
@@rjv_mntn blr.
When u mean not a 650 ?!?!? What do you mean sir?!?!
@@Jeru_on_the_road must be the same block but larger CC 🤷🏽♂️
10:19 Turn on closed caption for this one. RUclips is hilarious. It shows Shumi saying, remember they have one foot in the pasta 😅
ahahahaha nice catch
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@@sreejat😂
I got to go check this out
Quite the review that resonates with my impression of Guerrilla 450. Had a chance to be a pillion as I dropped my CB350 for service, a friend picked me up and dropped me back as well. Five minutes into the ride, I was remembering all the people who I discarded in my life asking me "aapki back mein dard nahi hota.." .. it was the first motorcycle I came across doing that to me. May be its just a pillion thing but it's bad. I kept deciding in my thoughts, that I will request my friend not to mind if I take a cab back to pick up my bike but of course he'd mind so I hitched the hike back and was done with it. The other thing was how it threw up the muck from the road up the pillion's back.
Couple of more things, not sure if many will agree with, the whole lower part of the motorcycle, engine, engine casings in particular, the exhaust pipe, it all suits the demeanor of HImalayan for it being rough and tough and industrial which gives it character and to get dusty on off roads. But in my humble opinion, road bike has to be pretty. This is clearly not, and the blunder of paint schemes is a deal breaker. Out of context of the above, currently I am obsessing over the BSA Gold Star. Looking forward to the ride review. Mentally decided to pick one but cannot really seal the deal without your expert comments.
Hey Tarun! Good to see you in the comments again! The pillion thing is also related to preload. it's set to the softest, which means raising it a few notches would probably have felt a lot more settled and comfortable.
Point about the initial charm of the design is spot on!
As to the BSA:
CL isn't too keen on us reviewing their products since our Jawa 350 review (seen it?). And the point we made in that is valid for the BSAGS650 too. They're working on product quality and ownership experience right now. We'd rather you bought their products after their finished the work, rathe than now.
@@motorinc Thanks a lot for the tip. Yes I have seen review of Jawa 350
Your love for the automobile is stark clear, you must have time of your life recording these conversation. it transcends through camera and display straight to heart. Love it every bit.
Thank you so much Chinmay!
I keep going to the RE showroom in Hyderabad and they are quite generous with giving out test rides.
I took test rides of Himalayan (3 times total), Super Meteor, ShotGun, Guerrilla over multiple visits. They are generous enough for me to do a test ride of more than 1 motorcycle back to back.
On one such visit, I rode the Himalayan and Guerrilla back to back and the engine definitely felt a lot more smoother on the Guerrilla.
At idle, at around 4k, at around 6k. Everywhere. The engine felt much better on the Guerilla for sure.
As a 5' 7" guy, the motorcycle was also a lot easier to handle than the Himalayan.
Thanks for sharing @rjv_mntn, appreciate it. How was the suspension for you?
@@motorinc I liked the Himalayan better overall in terms of suspension. The Guerrilla felt ok in the little bit that I rode.
Thanks @rjv_mntn!
You are lucky. In Delhi, most of the RE showroom people are rude and don’t even give test rides. They just start telling the price of the bike.
@@serenestrolls-d7b Delhi people are also rude
46:08 I literally laughed rolling on the floor. Only Shumi and Karthikeya can make us watch a full 45 minute video of they both talking, It is so informative yet fun to watch.🤩🤩🤩
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The feeling and expression of disappointment in Karthik's expression speaks a lot.
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So I did a back to back test ride of Guerilla and the Himalayan.
I think 95% of the people will be catered by the performance and handling of the guerrilla.
It felt more planted as the centre of mass is lower.
The power delivery felt smoother than the Himalayan.
It did feel like riding a more powerful hunter 350 but better than it in every manner.
I've tested the speed and scrambler too.
But i personally felt they are more flat and not as fizzy as guerilla right off the bat.
And they felt as physically smaller bikes too.
Another small ick for me in the Triumph twins were if they could've swapped the needle for the rpm meter instead of speedometer and have the speed digitally shown.
No complaints about the meters in Triumph as it does its job as it should.
The intake sound on the guerilla is just pure bliss.
Gives you the feel of riding something substantial and powerful which it is.
Both are not dull machines in any aspects.
But what I felt was the guerilla is like a fresh direction for RE and I hope they continue on this path of making good performance motorcycles.
I won't complain too much about the tank size. Would I have liked more capacity? Yes.
But will I non stop ride for no less than 200 - 300 kms at one stretch without taking any break? I doubt it.
I doubt the majority of the riders on the road do the same given the conditions of roads and their ability to sit on the saddle continuously all day long.
The 5-10% of people who may continuously ride that much might feel the lesser capacity being a hurdle.
All in all it is a good motorcycle :)
Absolutely.
@@mathewcheruvathoor4693 thanks 😄
For me, the exact reason why I love the Triumph Speed 400's speedometers are them being semi digital 😂
@@suryanshridesbikes I like the semi digital setup too!
It's just that the speedo should've been on the digital and the analogue needle should've been the rev counter.
Would've been lovely that way
Just my small preference 😄
@@vignesh80100 or I wished they jus made it with like 2 analogues for both the speedo and rev meter, and provided a smaller display for other stuff!
Guerilla should be pronounced as Gae-riya.
The word originates from the Spanish word Guerra (war) combined with little resulting in Guerilla literally meaning small war or little war.
Just a nugget of knowledge if anyone was wondering.
Thanks HR!
In BSVI 4 wheelers there us a chime that happens to warn that one has reached 80 kmph.
On the Himalayan and the Gorilla there are vibrations
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Man I absolutely love this kind of discussion where you explain in detail why certain elements In the bike are designed in a way from designers perspective. I always learn new things watching these videos. Sometimes I have to open a new tab and google somethings to understand what you are talking about which shows that I am always learning. Great work guys. This is what separates you from others where they just read spec sheet and has no clue why it is in that way. Watched entire video without skipping a beat and top notch production too. Worth my time♥
Awesome awesome awesome! We love your comment and approach, Sriharsha! We love that you enjoy the watch, that you google what you don't understand and learning. This is awesome.
I testrode both guerilla and 2 himalayans. One himalayan was way smoother than the other(in terms of power delivery). I can confirm that guerilla felt like it had lesser vibration than himalayan. It might be the tuning like you said but my guess is that the chassis preventing the vibration to reach the rider.
Thanks @Ramadas.T.D!
I dont know if its a region thing but reviewers in India straight up meatride the company or bike they are reviewing. Really refreshing to hear an actual review after a while. Bravo. 🙏
Knowledge - check. Presentation - check. Humour - check. Innate Love for Motorcycles - check.
The way you both dive into the topic and talk about it, your passion speaks more than words. I am not looking to buy a new bike or a sedan as of now, but I would still watch all those videos coz you inspire me with the fact that this is what happens when you do what you love. People just want to be there and fuel themselves with your zeal. Hats off to both of you !
Thanks a ton, Naman! We'll pass your compliments on to the team!
Some of us don't want bikes to commit themselves too much to one particular type of riding. That's what I like about this except for the fuel tank. Definitely considering this option.
Yes! Makes sense, @nbmh360. But bikes that do one particular thing always turn out more memorable than bikes that do not in our experience.
@motorinc may be I guess it's all about preferences. A casual rider like me who doesn't want to go fast on a highway or offroading these kind of bikes make more sense. Suspension might be an issue like you said, need to take a test ride but overall definitely worth considering for me.
@@nbmh360just empty 2 litre coke bottle for linger trip petrol 😂. How much bigger is the tank with say 1.5 to 2 litres more capacity. I think it looks pretty good though.
Hey, Just wanted to ask how much of niggles of Guerrilla 450 could be just solved by changing the tyres to more road biased tyres? If possible could you test a more road biased tyres on Guerrilla 450 in your 'View' review.
I tested the guerrilla and Himalayan back to back and found that guerrilla is slightly smoother than Himalayan but my personal preference would be Himalayan to guerrilla.
Thanks for sharing @surjethumapathy.
I concor.
The Guerrilla is smoother and easier to handle, but I like the Himalayan's character more.
You guys make the only 1-hour videos that i can always just sit and watch without any complaints
And we're thankful for it @aydict!😊
Probably the only people in the entire nation who give unfiltered N unbiased judgement on point, without sugar coating and without bending the knee for company.
Thanks @iamhuman9822! Appreciate it.
As im its owner theres also another issue with ride modes. The moment you set Eco mode it will come back to Performance mode whence you shut the engine. Then again it needs to be put in Eco mode when you start again and its annoying because you cant always remember to switch it to and fro everytime.
Overall i loved the handling and cornering experience of this bike. It has good accessibility than that of Himalayan which seems to be much heavier. And I drove a CL 350 before and so far I believe its a lovely upgrade. 2 points you really got into is color combination which is awful and that backplate gap of headlight also looks like its unfinished there but it can get solved by instrument cowl accessory to some extent . Loved your review though✌
First, congratulations @khajaamjid4898! And thanks for sharing your experience with us!
Oh no! The mode resetting on ignition is very, very annoying!
I am perplexed. I have exactly the opposite experience to Shumi whe it comes to the Ceat tyres. I did not find it lacking grip. And i do have a 2021 rc390 with road 5s, duke 390 that had apollos and were immediately swapped with road 5s and a himalayan on stock ceat with 8000km on it now. It is stiff and does not come close to the himalayan, yes. But I found the grip in wet far better than apollos.
And yes, the G450 is smoother than the H450 when I got it. But my h450 now is much smoother than a new G450. There is absolute night and day difference in how smooth it has become. No aggressive vibes at 100-115kph. I do have a Fuel x and a BMC air filter. But if two simple mods makes the sherpa that smooth, it is a bargain.
And the mirrors I got also had the same issue on the H450. I adjusted the mirrors, and spannered it tightly. Never had to touch it again. And they are good mirrors with minimal vibes and I could discern the car manufacturer by their headlight shape in the night with the antiglare coating coming stock. It has to be seen if I just ran into the jackpot with the perfect RE made. I am truly perplexed.
edit : P.s. Michelin road 5 is available in 120/160. And there are eurogrip roadhounds as well.
Hey Doc! We didn't say all Ceat tyres. Shumi's comments were specific to the ones on the GRR. The Himalayan tyres, for example, work quite well for what they are.
If the filter/piggyback solved the vibration for you, that's awesome news. We do believe the GRR maps - smoother than H450 - will find their way back to the Himalayan too.
Yes the point isn't that it can't be fixed. The point is the predictably loosening mirrors are a RE speciality now, practically a standing joke during testing.
As to the tyre sizes. Just compare the prices of the 110/150 sets, like the ProTorque Extreme, or H1 to the 120/160 set and you'll see why we say finding alternatives is more challenging
@@motorinc I was referring to the Ceats on the GRR and not the himalayan.
Yeah, the mirror vendor is definitely taking out some pichle janam ka badlaa with RE.
And yes, I do understand the 120/160 are a fair bit more expensive, But also of much higher quality. The roadhounds show great promise. The michelin 120/160s are made in Spain and not Thailand. etc etc. I do remember the time when KTMs came into our lives with 110/150 section tyres. How many options were there back then? Yes, the GRR is not even close to being as influential as the gen 1 d390 was. We both are coming at it from different directions, I guess. Royal Enfield will never make an outright stance on modernisation. It will be gradual. And there will be hits and misses. I am frustrated with this as well. I do not know why my Himalayan cannot come with twin projector lamps. I am happy they did away with the tail-lamp otherwise it would be a circle or rectangle as well. My gripe with the mirrors is not that they are not done well from the factory, but that they are round and not showing a big chunk of what is happening behind me. round mirrors do not work. Not on the desert x and not here. But H450 is a huge step forward for RE. If only RE launched GRR first and then the H450.
@@motorincRE’s testing team is a joke from my personal experience. My month old GT’s indicators are not aligned properly, headlights are aligned towards higher side and the elephant in the room is the Throttle Body which is defective from day one. RE service center is replacing in warranty but this ruins the customer experience.If possible please do pass this feedback to RE so that other customers won’t suffer like this.
@@MedicOnAMotorcycle Cummon man, you think a global giant like RE can't figure out mirrors. It's done so that you can buy their touring mirrors which are 6K onwards. Just like most of their bikes come with tube tyres and spoke wheels so you can spend extra 20k to buy alloys and tubeless.
@@thecontentstreet1837 Getting the touring mirrors from RE is extremely stupid. They are made of the same anti glare glass and of the exact same diameter. And I am not sure if keeping the mirror stalk adjusters loose is a business strategy or pure complacency about their product. It is annoying either ways. I think tube tyres is more because of aesthetics of of the spoke rims. And while Shumi in his This connect said he has suffered immediate deflation and a near accident scenario with tubes, i have suffered the same with tubeless on my rc200 when both alloys just cracked simultaneously and i almost clobbered into a flyover divider. So I do not hate tubes as much as other do. A simple can of motul P3 and a battery operated tyre inflator keeps me safe.
I'm glad you guys hold yourselves and the vehicles you review to a high standard, talking about what it could/should be rather than just what it is. IMO opinionated journalism like this is much more valuable and helpful to people compared to more mainstream channels which basically reiterate marketing points.
Glad you're enjoying the MotorInc experience @semicharmedkindofguy3088!
I took a test drive last week and it was the very basic test drive which is 1-2 kms and no extensive testing. I really enjoyed it and have been dreaming about it to become my next upgrade. Up until I watched this full episode.
In the beginning, felt like breaking the fourth wall and slapping Shumi left to right and right to left😂. However, after listening furthermore I really started to realise how valid those points were. Great stuff by motorinc channel. Keep up the good work.
I still haven't planned to buy a new bike yet and would take a couple more months to get my financials right. By that time, more motorcycles can be expected to launch( like remaining 450's 😂) and I will wait to listen to all what Motorinc has to say about them as well.
Never heard an unfiltered review of this bike. So glad I came across this episode. Keep up the great work!
Thanks a ton! We'll pass your compliments on to the team!
52:46 : can totally relate to this as an Himalayan owner. I don't have to find reasons to ride the Himalayan. Whatever it is, wherever it is, I am confident to take it out and that puts a smile on my face.
My request to anyone who is considering the GRR450 is to take a long test ride of the Himalayan 450 as well....
I wish RE brought in tubeless tyres for H450
Agreed!
@Quenchedfooty: Someone posted on yesterday's community post that the RE dealer informed them that Sep24 the tubeless rims would come at ₹25k more than the prices of the Kamet White/Hanle Black. We've asked RE for a confirmation, let's see what they say
@@motorinc yayyy! *Insert "take my money meme template*
33:56 so true. This has been so annoying. Especially in traffic. I call it sentient mirrors
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Now I understand why I see so many Himalayans with ktm mirrors 😂
agree. really pissed with the quality of mirrors on my hunter.
RE had this problem since ages.. I replaced my TB 350 stock mirrors with Bajaj Avenger mirrors and never looked back since then.. Of course I do use them to look back at the vehicles tho.. 🤓
@@archishgudipudi2 a friend of mine has done the same jugad. Getting the mirrors replaced today.
Felt like ETERNITY waiting for this ❤
Thanks for your patience!
Words of wisdom! I had been waiting patiently for the Guerrilla 450 to be launched since I first came to know about it, did the test ride as soon as the first bike hit the nearest dealership. After the test ride, my brain was supremely confused about what this bike is supposed to be, I felt like it has power it can deliver but why is it hesitant to do that. I had been feeling confused about what to think about it, do I want it ? would I love it ? Then I took back to back test rides of Himalayan and Guerrilla and found out that even though Himalayan is a bigger one out of the two motorcycles, somehow Himalayan seems more organic than Guerrilla, a better bike to own, a better machine to love riding on.
Yes! Thats exactly how we felt too!
36:42 Kartik was basically fuming at this point 😂
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4:06 - Am I the only one who is noticing that the Fender and the tyre is not aligned on a new bike!!!
No others have noticed this too @devntube
I've never seen a more negative review of this bike! I took the test ride of this bike and I didn't expect the suspension to be as good as the Himalayan. I found the handling to be great. For me the wind buffeting and the engine heat was too much in the the Himalayan when I rode them back to back.
But the thing is I do not have a use case to buy a Himalayan nor do I want a bike as energetic as the Duke. I think this bike sits right in the middle. It is snatchy up front and hence give it a certain character. But again, I test rode two bikes and the second one was much smoother and not so twitchy as the first one. I don't know what the issue is...
We call it like we see it, Phalgun. Not everything can be awesome 🤷🏽♂️
After watching nearly an hour of the Motorinc Guerrilla video, I can confidently say that they’re not claiming it’s a bad motorcycle, nor is it a negative review. If you watch other videos, you'll notice a mix of both positive and negative points. Based on that, you can form your own opinion. They provide a thorough explanation of all aspects, and Shumi specifically mentioned in this video that he had tested 15-16 motorcycles over 1-2 months. He noted that this bike's tires feel more slippery in wet conditions compared to others. So, he has more data for comparison, whereas your perspective is based on a much shorter ride distance.
Thanks for the clarification on our behalf, @sauravkr2011
@@sauravkr2011 I've test rode 2 bikes, 2 times already for a considerable amount of time angering the showroom sales guy (which i did not appreciate at all. I agree Schumi is far more experienced in testing and riding motorcycles. However the complete lack of enthusiasm and dejection put me off. It felt like they went in with expectations and felt disappointed when it didn't match their expectation.
For example, I found handling was not at all bad. I took it down curvy mountainous road and was really surprised and happy with the way it conquered them with ease. It felt so natural for the bike, like it is how it was meant to be... Schumi said he did not like the handling (if I remember it right)!
Watched this almost 60 min. Discussion without a skip or fast forward.
I can’t even watch 8-10 min bike review videos without fast forwarding…
Only this duo can do this…
Big 👍🏻👍🏻 for Shumi
We appreciate that Mukund! Thanks!
Can't even start how much impact Shumi has on my passion for motorcycles. We love you Shumi!
22:29 basically the same reaction 😂😂
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Playa black has Karnataka flag in it.
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Are our Tyre Manufacturers really that bad. Iam seeing a lot of complaints regarding tyres more than machines and I never heard anyone said oh this tyre just blew me away
Really? We _LOVE_ the Apollo H1, the Eurogrip Pro Torque Extreme, for example
@@motorinc Yeah I agree but is it global level or they still have room for improvement to compete at global markets with Pirelli or michellin is the question
In the 110/150 tyre size set (most 400s), we'd choose the H1/Extreme over everything else
Are the mrf zapper types on my n160 good or bad ?
Tested both the Himalayan and Guerrilla back to back multiple times and yes, This is engine is much smoother and has less vibration.
Thanks for letting us know Praneeth! Really helps!
46:10 you certainly need one for lubing and cleaning the chain. cannot trust a paddock stand, but that may be just me.
yes, the guerilla is much smoother than the Himalayan. Rode the Himmy first, then the guerilla. The himalayan felt rattly when you rode the guerilla next. Spot on with the tyres. Excellent in the dry, worst in the wet due to the edgy pattern (and will wear out sooner if you use the rear brake a lot). Missed the Metzelers/Alpha H1s on my 390.
Kartikeya, get on the bike and experience it once for 20 km like I did. Your opinions will change. Apart from the softy suspension at >60 kmph that interrupts the corners and undulations, amazing city thrasher. Rode like a chapri after quite some time. I dont. It made me by being so good on power and braking.
I dont know why woulld RE name a roadster or a street bike guerilla because guerilla is supposed to be art of mountain warfare
If good mountain bike would have this name it woulld be awesome cuz it would symbolize the war of the machine against rocks and mountaineous debris which would nice
Also its such a niche word and we have started calling it gorilla 🥲😭😭
We hadn't thought of it like that!
@motorinc it's actually my dumb brain, which tries to find symbolism in everything which makes me even more annoyed
Not a very useful way to spend energy
Not dumb! Fresh perspective!
well tbf guerrilla doesnt mean mountain warfare. it's unconventional warfare that prioritizes mobility and flexibility. the name makes good sense imo since guerrilla warfare is usually employed by small forces against more equipped adversaries.
@@anirudhsathian4204ah ok i had always thought that guerrilla it was mountainous warfare but doing the research realized that it was unconventional warfare
My misconception was due to the reason that I used to read in history books which defined guerilla warfare as mountainous warfare
Thanks for clarifying my misconception
I agree with Kartikeya, just the first glance of the bike killed the vibe . I mean it looks like scrambler from back half, and for the front half it looks like someone hammered a baseball bat on the tank🤕. It just feels weird. I think as you mentioned they should have done mild version of this and fully aggressive version. They did with Himalayan(basic and rally one), they could have done with Guerrilla something similar with calm and aggressive nature.
Spot on!
True. Big fan of the new Himalayan (with the hope that they'll refine it over the years) but Guerrilla is the most disproportionate and hideous of all RE's so far. It is a symbol of being lost and confused. As a biker you are supposed to identify with any design deep within yourself. With this one, I don't know what it is. Looks like a highschool science project contraption which will not leave the exhibition hall.
Thanks for sharing your perspective @110mano!
Sumi should be inducted as an independent director on the Board of Enfield motors to ensure 0 defects bike in future. Hope Mr.Lal takes my advise seriously
Hi I have been listening/watching your reviews of every bike when ever you dropped them on different channel, then found this channel and still i enjoy your reviews.
Coming to Guerrilla 450 :
I owned 2 pulsars 200ns and 160N,
I took test ride of 450 yesterday : on first gear the bike stalled : then on second try i put more juice on throttle and it picked pace which felt flat like why is this bike not going fast then i shfter to second gear and my goodness what a pull i had witnessed just aggressive was staggering!! 🤯
Then with 3rd gear 4th gear it kept pulling and pulling it was like bike was testing me what have you got? It scared me as back of the mind i know there is no traction so grip from tyers are my only friend. On support from them was feeling confident they can handle the bike.
Suppension and brakes where alright not something out of the world but for the package which is being offered it felt alright.
Now I am finding myself in a weird spot, I want to buy a new bike something which does not bore me something which i want to keep for long term like my NS 200 which was with me for 10 years (2012) pathetic brakes tho. Bored with current N160 having it for past 2 years its peppy but everthing fades out quite soon.
I am confused between the following bikes :
1) Pulsar ns 400z
2) Apache rtr 310
3) Classic 350
4) Guerrilla 450
I am struggling to find the right bike i have 3 lakhs but a lot of question. The 350 is exception in this list as this is no acceleration machine rather relaxed laid back type of bike.
Please suggest which bike I should look for which will keep me entertained for a decade atleast. I am open to suggestions apart from the list as well.
I have never taken a road trip my bikes barely sees highway. I liked RE because i rented 350 in manali and liked its torque sound.
In city i like going fast.
Its just too confusing for me too even explain.
I just love how Shumi sir is giving unbiased critics regarding the bike and clearing many of my doubts without even asking.
I've been hooked on this auto channel! It's a breath of fresh air in the world of automotive content. The plain white background might seem minimalist, but it's actually a genius move that allows the content to shine. I've binged watched countless videos and shorts in just a few days. Highly recommended for anyone looking for a unique and engaging automotive experience.
Thank you for the kind words @adityar1208! Glad to hear that you're enjoying the MotorInc experience.
16:43 I own a Himalayan 450, and I tested the guerrilla 450. Points about guerrilla
Guerilla is a bit smoother
Its agile and much easier in traffic
Felt much smaller (to me atleast)
Suspension a bit stiffer than the Himalayan
Thanks Mritunjay!
I just did a 2 hour test drive of Guerrilla 450 yesterday and couldn't agree more with Mr. Shubhabrata . Mr. shubhabrata I love your work , you are a guy who gives unbiased, no-nonsense, straight to the point opinion. Great Work Sir. 💯✅👏👏
Sub brand of Royal Enfield can be a good bet if they really want to stretch with intent to add a bunch of different kind of motorcycles.
Agreed!
The channel's commitment to clarity and thoroughness in their auto reviews is truly commendable. They have a knack for distilling complex information into digestible content that ensures viewers grasp every aspect of the review. The team's dedication to the basics, without sacrificing depth, sets a high standard in automotive journalism. It's no wonder viewers are tipping their hats to the creators and the unseen team working tirelessly behind the scenes. This channel is not just a source of information; it's a masterclass in how to engage and educate an audience, making it a paragon for others in the field. Indeed, it should be considered a benchmark for auto reviews.❤
Thank you so much for the kind words @MandeepWaliaYo! We'll pass on your compliments to the entire team.
Today is my engagement and I was a little stressed with anxiety. And I needed a good distraction. And you guys made it so fun full to watch a 1 hour video of bike which in no way suits my budget or lifestyle. So thank you so much team ❤
Congratulations Santhakumar!
Came for the guerrilla ..now waiting for himalayan 650
We want all new Jawa 42 review as well. Please do it cause your reviews does influence our buying decisions. 😊♥️
4 minutes into the video and I'm already commenting this. Shumi's way of explaining everything is beautiful and he even makes the technicalities so interesting that i actually want to listen to what has been done to the bike rather than just jumping on to is it worth buying. I've said this before, Shumi really is an SME.
Thanks Ayaan!
So the headlight is not useful right? I saw renders of RE's Aux lamps. But After market Aux lamps are illegal right? do you have any idea?
Listening to this while riding my reborn to office..It feels good ❤️
These guys are soo great together.. they get so much on the table. you can see a genuine thirst for bikes.. please so share my regards to Kartik and Shumi
Thanks a ton Aston! We'll pass your compliments on to the team!
I was waiting for this channel to put their impressions because rest of them are doing waah waah of this bike. Finally honest reviews!!
16:45 - I and my friend have himalayan 450 feb manufactured bikes. Another friend recently got a Himalayan a month back. The newer one is much smoother in terms of vibration and engine sound, it’s a huge difference. There are vibrations as Shumi said, but much much smoother now. So I guess it has started to trickle down to newly manufactured Himalayans as well.
Glad to hear that @ranjithk9150, thanks for sharing!
The level of quality on this channel is on another level. Gradings from Colombia
Hello @KuroLurker! Welcome to MotorInc. Thank you for the kind words!
I put down the money for an Xpulse today and I never intend buying an RE again and yet I am watching this just to hear these two gentlemen talk bikes
Oh? How come? Please explain, Anuj?
It's nothing very dramatic - had an RE for 7 years and it had some minor niggles (the left side rear view mirror comment in video brought back some memories). Then I sold the bike and was bike-less for a number of years.
Looking to get back into motorcycling now and I've concluded that I need a lighter bike. That and my wife's back hated my RE's suspension.
Understood, thanks!
Having sold my Meteor 350 was waiting for Guerrilla to decide among,G450, H450 and Scrambler 400x. Did the test ride on the day G450 was launched in showroom. 2 things on my priority I clearly didn't like- Suspension and Low end torque. 2 things I liked - Relative bigger size to Triumph and Colors. Also like the punchy midrange.
Because of suspension it was an easy decision and same day went n booked the Scrambler 400X
H450 ruled out due to weight and tube tyres even though excellent suspension
I used to be a regular motorinc viewer and commenter, but now I joined a job in Mahape, Navi Mumbai... and now everything is haywire. So I'm listening to this on Monday morning while making breakfast.... couldn't make up time to listen to the latest podcast too... feeling a bit sad. But sliver lining is I'm closer to motorinc and you two, maybe some fine morning or evening I'll get to see Shumi or Kartikey on road... maybe. ❤
We're here to keep you company whenever you need @vbanner!😊 Watch/listen as you see fit.
I love this podcast format of reviews/ first impressions. You two are bloody brilliant at what you do.
Thanks a ton! We'll pass your compliments on to the team!
The Spain trip might have swayed some opinions... Thanks for the unbiased one, folks. Anyone else told you that your episodes are the perfect white noise? No faffy music, just two guys talking cars and bikes.
White noise? Interesting! Glad you enjoyed the watch Hari.
@@motorinc Yeah, you guys have no idea how many times I have rewatched your episodes 😄
Every time you guys says how the Himalayan 450 has raised that benchmark with that great suspension and chassis, It brings me goosebumps thinking how I enjoy riding my Himalayan 450 every single day ❤ big smiles and great great content, enjoyed much😄
Couldn't agree more! ♥️
Jesus! These two guys can actually talk about one single bike for a one whole ducking hour and still keep the viewer engaged. Really Nice in-depth video.
And I agree with the broken frame thing, m sure that’s a thing of past. But even when you guys were praising Himalayan (especially chassis) so much, only thing that was coming in my mind is “didn’t that shit had the frame broken which I saw all over the internet”. Sure it must have improved after iterations but it it still remains in my mind. It broke couple of times, It is what it is.
Thanks Roshan! Yes, bad news is sticky and it'll take a while before we can completely forget it happened
I own a himalyan and I tested the gurrella and yes you are correct the vibrations are not there (compared to himalyan) in the 90-115 km/h range.
Thanks for sharing @firestorm-bi6uf
When I want to form an opinion about a motorcycle, I first see if Motorinc has covered it on their channel, and if so, I watch and listen to their video. That way, when I go for a test drive, I know what to watch out for. Outstanding work once more!
Wow! Thanks @banmnx4823
Great review!
Thank you for your insights Shumi Sir!
Thanks for joining us @adokshajbhadarkar5492
"Hello, but start naa...then we'll talk about stopping" 😂😂 Gatdayyum...Shumi's deadpan humour at it's best.
You guys are so honest and unbiased! It's like a gift in the automotive analysis segment on RUclips. ❤
Wow, thank you!
The more and more Karitkeya talks about Himalayan 450. It makes me fall in love with my HIMA450 more and more 🥰
🤜🏽🤛🏽 It really is a wonderful machine!
Kartikeya reminds me of a friend, just can't figure which one!! His reactions seem so genuine especially at 12:31, with him unable to comprehend the Go-rilla, and just letting Shumi 'carry on' 🙂
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We've always called out little group here MotorInc Fam, right from the start. 😊
Rode the guerrilla and found it much more fun and playful than the himi, definitely less vibrations. found that playful nature shockingly similar to my Ducati scrambler, I would go so far as to call this a baby version of the scrambler icon I have :D
Thanks for sharing TMCR!
@@motorinc Happy to share :D Love the content!
I just watched tthe whole epsiode and here I am typing this message. Im just the average motorcyclist and not a moto-journalist like the two of your fine gentlemen. Saying that, I have been in the RE eco system, like most of us here have been or still are.
This is such a honest review and I'm not talking just the bike, but for what the brand could have taken this platform too or even further.
It is what it is, i guess for Royal Enfield.
I just want say thank you, oh btw, on a side note, i use this podcast as a casestudy on how a "product review" should be hosted for office.
Much Love
Jeremy Dcruz
PS: My wife just kept laughing and she was like i told you so, listen to Shumi & Karthick .
Wow, thank you for the kind words @Jeru_on_the_road! We'll pass on your compliments to the entire team.
Just opened RUclips after I came back from the test drive and RUclips recommended me this video 😅
Clutch is that typical "RE" feel, hard clutch. Rear seat comfort is bad.
Low speed and low rpm jerks are very less considering a large single cylinder.
City traffic filtering is okay and hitting corners and flickering ability is on the lower average side... maybe because I have a Duke 390
Overall I'd say RE has really stepped up their game 👌 but still a lot more to achieve like a Twin 600 series in this platform.
Thanks for the overview, AS!
I test rode both the Guerilla 450 & Himalayan 450 back to back - And, the observations are as below:
Guerilla 450:
The test bike I rode had about 300km on the odometer. The engine is punchy as hell above 3000rpm, right up to the redline - Looks like RE intentionally reduced fueling below 3000rpm to meet emissions as well as to save the slipper clutch from premature wear due to torsional vibrations. 2nd gear and 3rd gear pulls from 3000rpm onwards are quite a rush and addictive with that induction howl (far better than most bikes in this segment). But, that is where the fun ends. The motor is always on "urgency mode" where it does not want to hold revs at a range even with a steady throttle. In some ways; this engine seems rev hungry like the Gen-1 D390. This makes traffic rides a literal pain; especially with the non-adjustable clutch and brake levers. The clutch lever is too far away for comfortable use in traffic - even for my bear claws with 3XL sized riding gloves. And, the rear brake is way too sharp; leading to tail stepping out before the ABS kicks-in. I tried this on 2 more bikes - All 3 had this similar issue with rear brake being too sharp. The overall posture is too "show-off"-ish in my opinion; with stretched out arms and the rider triangle felt too tight for my 6'1" heavy-set frame. I would not recommend it simply due to the pegs being too raised up (similar to D390). Speed 400 felt far better overall in terms of ergonomics.
Also, the CEAT tires are just average. This is an area where RE has actually faltered. They have forgotten that Europe's preferences towards motorcycle expenses are far different than India. All motorcycle manufacturers in India have stayed at the 110/150 tire width for front and rear respectively not just for manufacturing cost savings; but also for the life cycle replacement costs of the tires in this segment.
110/150 sizes are easily available for around 8-9k a pair across most brands. But, 120/160 sizes START at around 21-22k a pair. That is something which many owners will complain about after the OE pair wears out. And; they would then take 110/150; which would possibly upset handling and reduce the ground clearance as well.
Himalayan 450:
The test bike I rode had about 3000km on the odometer. And, this bike felt like it has already covered 30000km. Horrible vibrations right from idle, all the way to the redline. The bike had so much valvetrain clatter; that it felt as if the tappets were worn out already. The engine revved freely, but was very subdued in performance compared to the Guerilla. 2nd and 3rd gear pulls were not as urgent. And, the brakes felt wooden for some reason. Also, it was a herculean task to make U-turns on the bike compared to the Guerilla. Sure; it could have better comfort and ground clearance for off-roading; but it is not comparable to something like the Scrambler 400X or even the D390 ADV.
Overall, I would not recommend either of these motorcycles due to RE's half-hearted attempt in delivering a product which could have actually punched way above their weight and redefined the class benchmark.
Thanks for the excellent perspective @suryanarayanankannan6918!
Okay I am adding my two bits here because Shumi hinted at it multiple times, but didnt quite flesh it out as much as it should. Based on my 2 test rides of the Guerrilla, I feel the tyres are the Achilles heel of this motorcycle. Its primarily a city slicker motorcycle, not a tourer by any stretch, since it doesnt even try to build a platform for a windshield and saddles. This by design is meant to go fast and at low gears to allow you to cut through traffic and city contours. And herein lies its biggest problem. Due to the chunky, non-grippy tyres, the motorcycle doesnt like to tilt as much as it should. It corners just fine on a open road, because the chassis and the engine give it the capability. But in bumper to bumper traffic, this bike doesnt allow you to change lanes swiftly or cut diagonals between cars/vehicles because by virtue of those tyres, it prefers to hold its line. Its kind of like the Classic 350. And therefore the tractability suffers. With better radial tyres the Guerrilla will become a much better handling motorcycle. Also this motorcycle is not for new riders. It delivers all its 'speed mania' in the 2nd and 3rd gears and all of it is instant thanks to the ride by wire. I was able to hit 10-108 in a stretch of just 250 odd meters. That's not ideal for a motorcycle that needs to be persuaded to swerve in city traffic. The KTM 390 gives the rider a more appropriate stance to manoeuvre the motorcycle. The guerrilla has too upright and laid back riding posture to afford you total control. Those moments that Shumi spoke of, are moments of magic when the rider suddenly decides to open the throttle and gun the machine. Its as exhilarating as a cocaine hit. But you know what comes from those moments of abandon - crash and burn for the average joe. If you're an inexperienced rider, comeback to the Guerrilla after a few years.
Frikkin' awesome assessment! Nice work, Rachit!
@@motorinc Learning from the best
met a random guy at a KTM showroom while waiting for my test ride for the Adv390, and he mentioned this channel. Haven't missed a video since. keep it up guys 😇
That's awesome @Bptkr!
Glad you're enjoying the MotorInc experience!
I used to read motoring magazines up untill 2012. Watching Motor Inc feels the same. I wish, I could join you.
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This is the only place i come to check any new vehicles❤ the most complete information + origin of the product
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23:56 The way they rave about Himalayan suspension ❤
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Slowly this channel is becoming my favourite auto reviewer in india 🤌🤌🔥
Thank you very much @_Priyanshu_Sarkar_101
After a long time I'm finding a really good, rational and fact based channel. Just love how you guys do the content.
Thanks @joejr5307! Glad you're enjoying the MotorInc experience!
AWESOME!!! Loved the unbiased frank opinions, a rarity nowadays. Thanks team. Great Job.....
Thank you for joining us @sandeshkd!