To know more about the RE Guerrilla 450 vs Triumph Speed 400, click here - www.autocarindia.com/compare-bikes/royal-enfield-guerrilla-450-flash-vs-triumph-speed-400-standard
Not sure which continental you are reffering to exactly but either way both were over 2L easily. I have the 535 (2015) and it was 29hp and that itself was 2.26 on road here, 390 that time was 2.34 on-road I think. The RE 650s came only in 2018 Dec I think and intercpetor itself was 2.8+ ex-showrom, GT was much more expensive. The cheapest 400 was the Domina0 (1.4-1.5L IIRC) r I think which came out in 2016, but that was again only 35ps or something initially. Cant think of any other bike other than 390 as of now. TBH, nowadays smaller bikes are getting more expensive, so bigger bikes don't feel that much out of reach as before.
Evaluated both and went ahead and booked a black Speed 400. Reasons: 1. That city tractability was unbelievably good compared to anything else in its class. The acceleration felt almost EV-like in the city, which is huge praise if you want to close gaps quickly in traffic. Guerrilla is up there too, but the Triumph was better for me. 2. Suspension- I hear what Rishaad is saying, and agree- but dialling preload up a couple of clicks on the rear helps settle it a bit more. Both sets of suspension are good, can't really go wrong with either. 3. Fuel tank and range- Triumph's marginally better mileage and larger tank helps during touring. 4. Looks- gotta say, I was quite smitten with the Guerrilla. Relegated this to a secondary requirement since both look quite nice in their own way. 5. Costs- Triumph was cheaper to buy, running costs in terms of spares, simplicity of the bike itself, tyre size availability etc seemed better. Can't go wrong with either, but the Triumph just edged out the Guerrilla for me.
In long term maintenance triumph is still unproven Like parts and all No offense My own cousin owns one with red colour its great bike with good mailage
I just feel triumph is more value for money mkre that the RE because I could happily move around in the city and in highway. I feel more connected and confident in triumph to ride than RE and it feels compact
I test ridden both the bikes but the feel when you shift from 1st to 2nd in guerilla is amazing. This put a smile on your face. which is missing in triumph 400
@@parthapradipdas1656 Thats great During test ride triumph didnt allow me to use that machine properly because during test ride was done as batch a guy from triumph was on the front we must not overtake him. But i case of guerilla i get freely that might be reason i could enjoy it
I just did a test drive of both of these bikes yesterday. And i felt Triumph had more engine heat emitting out of it than the RE. I was the first one to ride both the bikes that day.
Triump Speed 400 is very good, power hungry, responsible and agile. In a city like Bangalore, City mileage comes around 19-21. Highway milage comes to around 32-37 if we could maintain speed in the range of 80s. Yes stalling issues are there but getting improved with Updates. Bike behaves superb in highway and while riding fast. Not for city traffic.Very much satisfied with the Triumph Speed 400..
Rishad says triumph is a more grown up more plush better to ride smoother on highway and at higher speeds and still picks re.. because it LoOks and fEeLs special
It's the character bro, the RE roars, it really roars, The Trumph is more mature which feels blunt so it doesn't exciting many. People fall in love with things that scares them .
Because it performs better. It communicates better. Has better mechanical grip. Has more power up top. Feels like a bigger bike and rides like one too. Only those who ride the bike enthusiastically understand this. Those who only commute, obviously find the speed 400 better.
Like he said, it's about what plus points matter more to you because its a give and take between these two in almost every meaningful way. Neither is objectively better its up to your subjective opinion what matters more to you, I liked the speed 400 but I wished it was more substantial and had better presence so the Guerrilla fits, you may prefer the maturity of the triumph neither are wrong and both can coexist lol
Considering the on-road price of the top end of Guerrilla @ 3,06,000, Speed 400 @ 2,70,000 - Chennai, I do not see much on offer for the additional 36K, in fact, Speed offers traction control and a standard warranty of 5 Years. In contrast, RE offers only 3 Years of standard warranty. The quality of the powder-coated paint of Guerrilla will start to peel off in no time based on previous experiences. Triumph Speed 400 has unmatched quality in its segment, is very tractable for city riding, and has a refined engine with most of the minimum safety features, hence it is still a VFM 👍
@@AamirKhan-mg7bu dude, my old classic 350 started rusting after 4 months of ownership, and my current speed 400 I've owned for a year now and still hasn't been rusting anywhere 🤷
Test driven both, Can’t be compared, X400 is far smooth than naya RE, though if road presence is criteria RE is better, x400 is sleek like a rx100 was and fit finish RE can’t match
I knew the winner before even I saw thumbnail. if these autocar guys gives a comparision review and if a royal field is in that comparison then there is no need to fully watch the video because result will be the royal Enfield turning out to be the winner. These fools if given chance may even say guerilla is better than Triumph scrambler 1200... Yeah I know we should love our country India is great and everything but shouldn't always white-wash indian products especially royal enfields .... reviews need to be unbiased ,it has to be honest because at the end trust of consumers i.e viewers are important and as fellow Indians we should be truthful to each other. And it is not a shame to praise foreign products if they are deserving to be praised. Actually newer royal enfields are completely inspired from triumph. It's sad and also funny when some fools say triumph thruxton copied continental GT ,when continental gt and interceptor are completely inspired from triumph Bonnevilles .. India is my country and I love India...
These days opinion doesn't matter. If reviewers think some bikes are better than others, they are entitled to have that opinion. Like u r. Don't judge people just because u have other opinion.
@@confidential1234 Atleast unicorn drives better than RE in many cases 😂.... Long term reliability and service centre's we shld not speak on RE 😂😂... Moreover... Two people on Gurriela will be cramped for sure
I agree, most reviewers don't say a negative word on RE at all. And Rishad def comes across as partial to them. Let's be fair quality isn't up to the mark, not practical when it rains, more practical tank and better fuel eff, and this bullshit "emotional character" ambiguous description or the "feel" which is based on the individual and really is fluff, even the sound description.
@@shanejacob9070 If RE's design and quality is that bad these days why do you think it sells in such large numbers in Western markets as well? Do you seriously believe all those who bought the bike overseas were just emotional RE fanboys? These aren't commuter bikes meant to take you from point A to point B at minimum expense, but motorcycles of "character" and "feel" that are integral parts of riding experience for an enthusiast.
For me its Speed 400 because of below 1. Brand 2. Easy to handle 3. Quality 4. Better mileage 5. 99% of the buyers wont go to race track 6. Better equipped except navigation which they must fix asap 7. Easy for daily use 8. Better value proposition
A few observations from my side: Regarding the RE Guerrilla: - Mud splash from the rear tire - No space for a pillion - No stock mounts for long riders/touring - Engine matte black color and switches fade very fast (possibly after a couple of washes or due to sunlight exposure) - After a few services, you'll notice an annoying noise from different parts that the service center can't rectify - Visible welding on certain parts - Headlight throw is very low - Exposure of radiator liquid filling cap - Rubber material on the suspension tears very soon due to sun exposure You might find many more issues after you own this. Whereas with the Triumph: - Currently, I notice an instrument cluster variation of -10 KPH error - Revs higher but doesn't push as it revs due to a lower stroke compared to the RE Guerrilla I have owned a Triumph for 2 months now, and before that, I had a Himalayan. I must say, comparatively, the Triumph is a good option in terms of reliability, riding experience, and cost.
Should've added similary priced Honda CB300R to the comparison aswell. Yes!! I know it's just 300cc 35hp but the weight is around 150ish kg which makes it just as fast as these two if not more.
For a bias interview it was very unbiased 😄......my impression is Guerrilla for fun countryside riding ,triumph for inner city stuff , but I havent ridden either ! Enjoyable video, nice job👍
just came back from the test ride of triumph speed 400 and I have no words on how good the bike is, I really wish I could get one, I am just in love with it. Will try guerrilla as well whenever the nearby showrooms make it available for test rides...
Is engine vibration a far less important aspect than the look and feel of the bike 😅😢…. And the major problem is the chassis failure…. Whatever clarifications RE provides the new chassis is not build like a Gun… for me I would say these two aspects are the main things I would check my boxes on a highway ride… And when it comes to city ride Triumph is the far more better tractable bike and better responsive bike…. Even after all these aspects RE was picked for just the feel …. So I’m starting to doubt is Feel of the bike far greater than the overall package?
For most people, look and feel matters the most. This is where RE excels. Just Look at their every bike, they're all about how they make people feel. It's a long game RE has been playing. moreover, in the digital age, this craze has been multiplied not just for the Bikes, but for all the materialistic things in the world people I want to possess in their life.
Yes but after buying a thing just for looks wouldnt the comfort go and is it a better trade off…. Also RE is best for their worst after sales maintenance by their showrooms…. So basically a not so good engine with a lot of vibrations and coupled with a bad after sales maintenance from the dealerships all these negatives can be blown away just for the look and feel ….. I mean the priorities of things have changed I think ….. because 2.5 to 2.75 lakhs for this motorcycle considering these flaws is not a cheap money when the bike hits onroad…. After all looks are just looks it’s has nothing to do with how it performs… RE is surviving on mere look delivering sun standard products to customers …. No offense but it’s time to tell RE to rectify their flaws and not just keep repeating them… because it’s money at stake
RE offers soul... What others cant offer... So whatever u and people like u say about RE... U will see RE everywhere in the street, in every 1 out of 2 persons bucket list in india.. Despite lacking so called modern feautres😂
Tripumh is best today i test drive of speed 400 it's mind blowing performance smoothie engine also i test drive of gurila noise engine unrefined etc speed is best💯
Thanks for a good comparison. Two points that you missed. Firstly the Triumph has a much better turning cycle, which combine with its lower weight make manoeuvrability much better at low speed, town work, where moving around obstacles is important. Secondly, the Triumph also has a stand alone rear light/brake light compared with the Guerrilla where those functions are built in to the rear indicators. Both bikes seem to have flimsy indicators, and seemingly, as you mentioned, prone to condensation/leakage. I think that the Triumph 400 Speed builds on the styling of the bigger Speed Twins, whereas the Guerrilla is a departure from the heritage of Royal Enfield, for better or for worse. I suspect we will see more Classic Versions, for both marks at this size in the future, to cater for the older person returning to motorbikes or downsizing to smaller Mid-Range Classics, which offer less weight, but not a huge drop in performance and with increased fuel economy. Thanks again.
Royal Enfield is the OG 👑! Remember that brands like Triumph or Honda are giving you a motorcycle at a lower price only because of RE. When people were buying expensive foreign brand motorcycles, RE gave us very low priced bikes at excellent quality. Now all the competitors are coming down with lower prices. Kudos to RE!
A very good video. You covered many points that others skip, and you don't get bogged down with theatrical over acting. Information and insight. Excellent.
Took long rides of both and i tell you guys suspension of speed is lot lot better than RE. Neither the looks or the performance of suspension is good. It is below average compared to 400-450 cc bikes. Autocar probably has taken a lot of money to highlight the suspension of RE as better suspension. RE is very very fast and speed is very fast. RE top end is 165, speed is 160. But do we have that much clearance on road or highway? Vibration is lot lot more in RE compared to speed. Bike influencers are doing the classic job. Demote little old bike very professionally to promote new bike without inviting abuses 😅
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I moved to a Duke 250 from a Dominar 400, and having driven it, my respect Rishad's acute observations has grown even more, right down to how the right side feels more heat on the Duke 250 (cooling fan is on the left side, but took me 3 months to figure out why, but Rishad picked that up in the review rides) . Great review like always man
People with shorter legs will have a problem with the guerrilla. The shin hitting the footpeg and that is not a good feeling . This issue is present in the interceptor too
Speed 400 has traction control - Guerrilla 450 has chunky tires Speed 400 has USD Forks - Guerrilla 450 has feel good Forks You guys definitely know how to mislead !!
There is no misleading. The conventional forks are from showa. And they work better in corners and higher speeds than the usd forks on speed 400. He said that clearly. He was in fact taking a subtle sarcasm on people who were cribbing about the conventional forks and immediately saying speed 400 will be better just because of USD forks. Well, it's not.
I did my first test ride for both the bikes , im a regular city commuter with occasional long rides in my calendar and i must say re changed my mind . I thought i would buy the triumph but man the street presence and the handling was too fgoodnto ignore . I am 5'4 and I decided to go with re
450 with 11ltr fuel tank RE what are you smoking? Fuel economy 25-27kmpl 290km range keeping in mind usable is 8.5 ltrs with 2.5 reserve that's 235km realistic range on a full tank. All the best with refueling stops.
Evaluated both bikes and bought the speed 400. Primarily since the RE engines gets heated like anything and thermal mgmt is not great.. my entire leg was getting the heat. Triumph also gets heated but the thermal mgmt ensur s that the heat is limited to the feet area and not the full leg. Also, the refinement in speed 400 is unbeatable
The Triumph looks better in my opinion and I hate the digital Speedo on the Gurrilla, what were RE thinking ? the analogue speedo on the triumph looks so much better, tft displays on bikes make them look ugly and cheap while I'd prefer a pure analogue clock on the Triumph without the digital screen which I think would have been better if they kept separate without shoving it into the analogue clock but it's still far nicer to have an analogue clock that just looks good. In fact, the main reason I wouldn't buy the Guerrilla is due to the tft display but the triumph looks the best overall in my opinion but the main reason to get the triumph for me is the lovely looking analogue clock, a bike just doesn't look the same with analogue screen.
RE gorilla looks aren't good at all.. it looks so out of place... Looks stretched when u look it from the side... No upside down forks.. re fit n finish is always under par... Not sure to agree to this review sir
With every motorcycle now RE has one competitor, my 650 is always a special bike since last 5 years and such a refined twin stands out the crowd with its twin exhaust, mind you those b2b traffic jams at 12 PM hot summer will definitely tire since with all these higher capacity engines which are not meant for city commutes
Perfect review ! The soft suspension on speed 400 is not as good as GRR450 on our roads , the looks of GRR better , performance is better ! For taller people speed looks puny , The only advantage of Speed 400 is fit and finish
Chasis failure, dude! What rock do you live under??? Ever heard of a bike's chasis breaking in.two because of accessories being fitted????@@AMBUSH-gs7xb
Sir, with due respect when the bike doesn't start on 1st self start, kindly switch off the engine button then switch on it, pump will circulate oil again (Instructions are in manual). Then try to start. You are trying continuously (self start).
wonder what the cost for Guerrilla tyres would cost since the GT650 & intercepter tyres were over Rupee :15,000(pirelli) when it was launched.. Triumph A set cost from 7,000-24,000 (with & without offer) options from : Ceat, MRF,TVS eurogrip, pirelli, metzler, Michelin, Apollo, timsun each having 2 versions
RE has its design elements but I think tank design is the main issue for many riders. RE flat tank gives a slender look but gives the same feeling of splendor. Whereas Speed 400 has a beefier tank that gives a totally different feeling. RE looks more like a flat tracker than a roadster.
My review: 1. I prefer Triumph more than RE here .. the way it attracts and dont prefer fun every time (usually Reviewers prefer RE). Triumph has debuted a fun riding one which is more accessible in a short period. Thats good for competitive. RE''s tank design and the look of motorcycle is not likeable for me. Low fuel tank capacity and practically i dont like my back to be wet😉 in monsoon seasons. Washing a bike is better than washing / trowing a shirts... I've seen most of the youtubers perfer RE then better dont do review of other brands...😊
9:44 Triumph can hold one or two gears higher than the Guerrilla?? Given that the RE 450 boasts greater torque at lower rpm, wouldn't it be expected to perform better in this situation?
Gureila 450 is Something like an wild animals with so much strength in it. The power is something amazing can make you reach the sky, awesome road presence... I fell in love with this.... But our roads are not something / bike rides are not such safe while you travel on such kind of beast.. If not that safe why do we need this for commute ? This is something Excellent in Engineering perspective, if you are trying it in circuits to feel the thrill with proper accessories excellent..
what one does better than the other isn't particularly done bad by the other. so if you had one, you wouldn't miss the other. it all comes down to brand preference, tbh, although that 11ltr tank on the RE Guerilla would be more prone to give anxiety much more often for those who keep checking their fuel gauges regularly. but then, 2 ltrs more on the triumph too isn't any significant advantage and that exactly is the point - it will most likely come down to brand preference for most.
They have pointed out the pluses and minuses of both bikes so that can you can decide for yourself. What more do you want? Do you wish to be spoon-fed like a child about what's good for you? Go ahead and take a test ride of both bikes ans pick the one you like.
Autocar india whenever does a vs video. It never gives a clear answer. Always beating around the bush. Dont have any guts to give a real answer, or else the vehicle company will get angry??
@@VideosfromaSailor you want to decide based on others opinion? You are a minority. Rest of us want an opinion on something so that we can decide by ourselves whether that applies to us or not.
Dude sitting on a couch you're asking for too much go out and test for yourself. You have to judge by the review what do you like more...maybe you like more mileage or more testo who knows !
Enfield should have rethought the smaller seat. It looks very small considering if you’re travelling with a pillion, it will be cramped in both Enfield and triumph….
As an automotive expert guerilla ticks everything for a roadster. Suspension does better job and gem of engine sherpa 450 I am using it wonder it's launch of Himalayan. Breaks are class apart. Rest all features in both bikes are either modifiable or good and irrelevant for puree.
I Think after sales service, service intervals, service cost, reliability are also some major factors that buyers consider while buying a bike. So do include these points in ur next review and comparison videos along side engine specs and ride quality.
Nice comparison. I bought the Speed 400 after a test drive of 1 hour. Took the blue one because the red you can order but there is no delivery date. Blue in stock, black one month wait, red ...? This is in France Europe, don't know for other areas.
I want to see RE Guerrilla 450 vs Triumph Scrambler 400 because Guerrilla is like a mini version of Himalayan so it should be compared with something similar that would be scrambler 400
You'll never see an italian/ german etc say something bad about Ferrarri ,porsche or BMW . You will find 100000 Indians criticizing even best Indian Products. Perception, PR and fan base is everything. If you see something from India that should be encouraged ,do it. No other countryman will do it other than Indians. Only Indians will say " I am a patriot but I am not biased..etc etc BS and go on to criticize Indian made products.
Guerrilla 450 top model cost almost same as Triumph Scrambler 400, so between these which is more city friendly bike ? Both are from different segment but still can we compare these as the pricing is similar.
To know more about the RE Guerrilla 450 vs Triumph Speed 400, click here - www.autocarindia.com/compare-bikes/royal-enfield-guerrilla-450-flash-vs-triumph-speed-400-standard
I had owned RE earlier and shifted to speed 400, and man i am happy.
Why did you shift?
@@SuzSV650 after sale service is pathetic and a major let down, moreover bike was heavy for delhi traffic.
Back when 40hp was not accessible to the masses, the continental seemed so powerful, not anymore ❤
wdym, the original duke launched at 1.80 with 40+ hp. that was ages ago
@@silver_YTfps 1.8 at that time was expensive, Adjust for inflation too.
Continental was 2l plus, i know coz i checked it out and then decided not to buy coz it was so shitty!!
@@silver_YTfps but very few people were ready to pay 2 Lakh for a bike
Most of the top selling bikes were ~1 Lakh at that time
Not sure which continental you are reffering to exactly but either way both were over 2L easily. I have the 535 (2015) and it was 29hp and that itself was 2.26 on road here, 390 that time was 2.34 on-road I think. The RE 650s came only in 2018 Dec I think and intercpetor itself was 2.8+ ex-showrom, GT was much more expensive. The cheapest 400 was the Domina0 (1.4-1.5L IIRC) r I think which came out in 2016, but that was again only 35ps or something initially. Cant think of any other bike other than 390 as of now. TBH, nowadays smaller bikes are getting more expensive, so bigger bikes don't feel that much out of reach as before.
Evaluated both and went ahead and booked a black Speed 400. Reasons:
1. That city tractability was unbelievably good compared to anything else in its class. The acceleration felt almost EV-like in the city, which is huge praise if you want to close gaps quickly in traffic. Guerrilla is up there too, but the Triumph was better for me.
2. Suspension- I hear what Rishaad is saying, and agree- but dialling preload up a couple of clicks on the rear helps settle it a bit more. Both sets of suspension are good, can't really go wrong with either.
3. Fuel tank and range- Triumph's marginally better mileage and larger tank helps during touring.
4. Looks- gotta say, I was quite smitten with the Guerrilla. Relegated this to a secondary requirement since both look quite nice in their own way.
5. Costs- Triumph was cheaper to buy, running costs in terms of spares, simplicity of the bike itself, tyre size availability etc seemed better.
Can't go wrong with either, but the Triumph just edged out the Guerrilla for me.
Great Choice! I am just waiting for the day when I can also book this Speed 400 for me.
Triumph Speed 400 is much better ❤ he advertising for Geurilla that's it
In long term maintenance triumph is still unproven
Like parts and all
No offense
My own cousin owns one with red colour its great bike with good mailage
as a owner of speed 400 you made a good choice 🎉
So is this new RE engine and chasis, and going by royal enfield's reputation for reliability, no smart person would trust it blindly @@KruthikNandan
I chose the Speed 400 1. Lighter by 9 kg 2. Bigger fuel tank, a full two litres more. 3. higher seat to foot peg distance= more comfort.
Royal enfield has come a long way. Happy that their bikes are not boring like how they used to be.
Yes .They are not boring.a new issue will pop up every time.
Bro are you being sarcastic
@@moizsayyed4227 trust me.. he is not 😂
@@SLicKoxx I was only talking about their designs.. 🤦🤦
@@pradidorai I mean, this design isn't anything much revolutionary or new either, just the regular retro roadster design (just my personal opinion) 😂
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I just feel triumph is more value for money mkre that the RE because I could happily move around in the city and in highway. I feel more connected and confident in triumph to ride than RE and it feels compact
I test ridden both the bikes but the feel when you shift from 1st to 2nd in guerilla is amazing. This put a smile on your face. which is missing in triumph 400
I've wheelied on Speed 400 while shifting from 1st to 2nd almost every time.
@@shahan484 Oh that's great.
@@afsalms7912 fun is in 4th gear for speed... if u reach 6th gear u know its a mean machins
@@parthapradipdas1656 Thats great During test ride triumph didnt allow me to use that machine properly because during test ride was done as batch a guy from triumph was on the front we must not overtake him. But i case of guerilla i get freely that might be reason i could enjoy it
@@shahan484
What is the meaning of wheelied
Pls say i cant understand ur point of view
Also am.not gud in english
Missed mentioning, it's a sponsored video 😅😂
Why does the reviewers not hate a product I don't like
I just did a test drive of both of these bikes yesterday. And i felt Triumph had more engine heat emitting out of it than the RE. I was the first one to ride both the bikes that day.
Yes actually it heats kinda off
Triump Speed 400 is very good, power hungry, responsible and agile. In a city like Bangalore, City mileage comes around 19-21. Highway milage comes to around 32-37 if we could maintain speed in the range of 80s. Yes stalling issues are there but getting improved with Updates. Bike behaves superb in highway and while riding fast. Not for city traffic.Very much satisfied with the Triumph Speed 400..
Rishad says triumph is a more grown up more plush better to ride smoother on highway and at higher speeds and still picks re.. because it LoOks and fEeLs special
Feel is important..I test ride triumph apart from the initial pick up it felt like an ordinary bike
It's the character bro, the RE roars, it really roars, The Trumph is more mature which feels blunt so it doesn't exciting many. People fall in love with things that scares them .
Lolol I smell bias
Because it performs better. It communicates better. Has better mechanical grip. Has more power up top. Feels like a bigger bike and rides like one too. Only those who ride the bike enthusiastically understand this. Those who only commute, obviously find the speed 400 better.
Like he said, it's about what plus points matter more to you because its a give and take between these two in almost every meaningful way. Neither is objectively better its up to your subjective opinion what matters more to you, I liked the speed 400 but I wished it was more substantial and had better presence so the Guerrilla fits, you may prefer the maturity of the triumph neither are wrong and both can coexist lol
Considering the on-road price of the top end of Guerrilla @ 3,06,000, Speed 400 @ 2,70,000 - Chennai, I do not see much on offer for the additional 36K, in fact, Speed offers traction control and a standard warranty of 5 Years. In contrast, RE offers only 3 Years of standard warranty. The quality of the powder-coated paint of Guerrilla will start to peel off in no time based on previous experiences. Triumph Speed 400 has unmatched quality in its segment, is very tractable for city riding, and has a refined engine with most of the minimum safety features, hence it is still a VFM 👍
Any idea on Triumph’s network expansion and experience right now in Chennai?
@@harishprabhu02 I own Speed, so far so good.
Did you skip the part where he was pointing out at rust developing on the speed 400?
So far 10 months 6000km + on odo total 2 services done not a single issue till now , a happy spped owner
@@AamirKhan-mg7bu dude, my old classic 350 started rusting after 4 months of ownership, and my current speed 400 I've owned for a year now and still hasn't been rusting anywhere 🤷
Test driven both,
Can’t be compared,
X400 is far smooth than naya RE, though if road presence is criteria RE is better, x400 is sleek like a rx100 was and fit finish RE can’t match
Exactly, no competition.
I knew the winner before even I saw thumbnail. if these autocar guys gives a comparision review and if a royal field is in that comparison then there is no need to fully watch the video because result will be the royal Enfield turning out to be the winner. These fools if given chance may even say guerilla is better than Triumph scrambler 1200... Yeah I know we should love our country India is great and everything but shouldn't always white-wash indian products especially royal enfields .... reviews need to be unbiased ,it has to be honest because at the end trust of consumers i.e viewers are important and as fellow Indians we should be truthful to each other. And it is not a shame to praise foreign products if they are deserving to be praised. Actually newer royal enfields are completely inspired from triumph. It's sad and also funny when some fools say triumph thruxton copied continental GT ,when continental gt and interceptor are completely inspired from triumph Bonnevilles ..
India is my country and I love India...
These days opinion doesn't matter. If reviewers think some bikes are better than others, they are entitled to have that opinion. Like u r. Don't judge people just because u have other opinion.
I think the fit and finish of the Triumph is better. No reviews can change that.
Watch Motorinc review of guerrilla. It's the most unbiased review I've seen of that bike.
Royal Enfields are very common triumph makes owners feel special
Just for 1-2 weeks after that u feel like ur riding a unicorn..
@@confidential1234yes very smooth as a Unicorn😉
@@confidential1234 Atleast unicorn drives better than RE in many cases 😂.... Long term reliability and service centre's we shld not speak on RE 😂😂... Moreover... Two people on Gurriela will be cramped for sure
@@confidential1234 Just booked my 1st year service. Doesn't feel like a 🦄 to me 😂.
@@bharadwajb1888 cope more.
The comparison is what is good in Guerilla and what is bad with speed... come on ...its not a fair comparison for those who are going by this comp.
Exactly sir, review is one sided & it's outcome of Spain trip
Has Autocar ever given a verdict against a Royal Enfield? According to Rishad all their motorycles seem to be the best thing since sliced bread.
RE is being ridden not just in India these days, and even the reviews from Western markets seem favourable enough.
@@vineethg6259 It has legendary status
I agree, most reviewers don't say a negative word on RE at all. And Rishad def comes across as partial to them. Let's be fair quality isn't up to the mark, not practical when it rains, more practical tank and better fuel eff, and this bullshit "emotional character" ambiguous description or the "feel" which is based on the individual and really is fluff, even the sound description.
He isn't. Go look at his other reviews. This is the rare time he liked RE
@@shanejacob9070 If RE's design and quality is that bad these days why do you think it sells in such large numbers in Western markets as well? Do you seriously believe all those who bought the bike overseas were just emotional RE fanboys? These aren't commuter bikes meant to take you from point A to point B at minimum expense, but motorcycles of "character" and "feel" that are integral parts of riding experience for an enthusiast.
For me its Speed 400 because of below
1. Brand
2. Easy to handle
3. Quality
4. Better mileage
5. 99% of the buyers wont go to race track
6. Better equipped except navigation which they must fix asap
7. Easy for daily use
8. Better value proposition
Triumph is the better and more reliable bike overall.
Meanwhile their service centers aren't widespread.
@@sumitwadile9920app kaha se ho bhai ???
Kolkata main 5 showroom hain woh bhi 20km ke andar 😅😅
@@abhishekmitra3572 if u are a tourer triumph is a big no
What's the point with having a great service centers like RE. I mean I have never heard anyone says good about them, even the RE owners.
@@praveenkumarparadox exactly
RE needs to prioritize reliability. They have the potential to be a strong global contender.
If I'm not mistaken, they are already a strong global contender in the midsize segment now.
They already are global.
@@heavenlypot Bajaj sells more products globally than royal Enfield
@@itsmeee7364 No it isn't.
Enfield has a big presence in the UK now.
A few observations from my side:
Regarding the RE Guerrilla:
- Mud splash from the rear tire
- No space for a pillion
- No stock mounts for long riders/touring
- Engine matte black color and switches fade very fast (possibly after a couple of washes or due to sunlight exposure)
- After a few services, you'll notice an annoying noise from different parts that the service center can't rectify
- Visible welding on certain parts
- Headlight throw is very low
- Exposure of radiator liquid filling cap
- Rubber material on the suspension tears very soon due to sun exposure
You might find many more issues after you own this.
Whereas with the Triumph:
- Currently, I notice an instrument cluster variation of -10 KPH error
- Revs higher but doesn't push as it revs due to a lower stroke compared to the RE Guerrilla
I have owned a Triumph for 2 months now, and before that, I had a Himalayan. I must say, comparatively, the Triumph is a good option in terms of reliability, riding experience, and cost.
How’s the service of Triumph? Bajaj level of quality?
@@chinmaypdharwad9274they’re more responsive. I loved it.
@@chinmaypdharwad9274 good service..very reponsive staff ❤
Should've added similary priced Honda CB300R to the comparison aswell.
Yes!! I know it's just 300cc 35hp but the weight is around 150ish kg which makes it just as fast as these two if not more.
Ah nope, it can be as quick as these two, but not fast
It makes 30hp not 35, it's more of a rival to Duke 250 not these 400s
3:41 that's what she said
😂
12:28 did u really felt that exhaust note is better than speed 400
Autocar ❌ Royalcar✅
RE took them to Spain for exactly these kind of reviews .
what do you mean
@@campeador94 he is blindly promoting RE
@@campeador94when one is roaming in Spain at RE’s expense , they can hardly come back and give a negative feedback
😂😂
6:33 For a roadster, that's more than enough. More then some of the wannabe Adventures !
Guerilla ❤
For a bias interview it was very unbiased 😄......my impression is Guerrilla for fun countryside riding ,triumph for inner city stuff , but I havent ridden either ! Enjoyable video, nice job👍
We all know how good the speed 400 sounds and how good of a character it has.
Spain trip was really something.
just came back from the test ride of triumph speed 400 and I have no words on how good the bike is, I really wish I could get one, I am just in love with it. Will try guerrilla as well whenever the nearby showrooms make it available for test rides...
Is engine vibration a far less important aspect than the look and feel of the bike 😅😢…. And the major problem is the chassis failure…. Whatever clarifications RE provides the new chassis is not build like a Gun… for me I would say these two aspects are the main things I would check my boxes on a highway ride… And when it comes to city ride Triumph is the far more better tractable bike and better responsive bike…. Even after all these aspects RE was picked for just the feel …. So I’m starting to doubt is Feel of the bike far greater than the overall package?
For most people, look and feel matters the most. This is where RE excels. Just Look at their every bike, they're all about how they make people feel. It's a long game RE has been playing. moreover, in the digital age, this craze has been multiplied not just for the Bikes, but for all the materialistic things in the world people I want to possess in their life.
Yes but after buying a thing just for looks wouldnt the comfort go and is it a better trade off…. Also RE is best for their worst after sales maintenance by their showrooms…. So basically a not so good engine with a lot of vibrations and coupled with a bad after sales maintenance from the dealerships all these negatives can be blown away just for the look and feel ….. I mean the priorities of things have changed I think ….. because 2.5 to 2.75 lakhs for this motorcycle considering these flaws is not a cheap money when the bike hits onroad…. After all looks are just looks it’s has nothing to do with how it performs… RE is surviving on mere look delivering sun standard products to customers …. No offense but it’s time to tell RE to rectify their flaws and not just keep repeating them… because it’s money at stake
Felt like RE commercial
It is RE commercial
Of course for Triumph fan boys
When you run out of adjectives to praise RE, Indian moto journalists- 🗣️ eMotiOn 🗣️ phEelings 🗣️dUck-dUk sound 🗣️ abe LoHa
RE users will understand what he meant. What if no other brands can provide it
Ikr lmao😂😂😂
RE offers soul... What others cant offer... So whatever u and people like u say about RE... U will see RE everywhere in the street, in every 1 out of 2 persons bucket list in india.. Despite lacking so called modern feautres😂
@@ekalavya1211 so RE is special because everyone has it/aspire to have it? Some people call that "sheeps".
@@cyclebeats69 exactly 😂
Tripumh is best today i test drive of speed 400 it's mind blowing performance smoothie engine also i test drive of gurila noise engine unrefined etc speed is best💯
Triumph more refined engine and linear throttle response
Watching Rishaad compare these two is quite appealing!
How this guy sticks to being accurate and not opposing to either of the two is just too good.
Review between Speed 400 and Guerrilla 450 ❌.
Advertising for RE Guerrilla 450 ✅
Thanks for a good comparison. Two points that you missed. Firstly the Triumph has a much better turning cycle, which combine with its lower weight make manoeuvrability much better at low speed, town work, where moving around obstacles is important. Secondly, the Triumph also has a stand alone rear light/brake light compared with the Guerrilla where those functions are built in to the rear indicators. Both bikes seem to have flimsy indicators, and seemingly, as you mentioned, prone to condensation/leakage. I think that the Triumph 400 Speed builds on the styling of the bigger Speed Twins, whereas the Guerrilla is a departure from the heritage of Royal Enfield, for better or for worse. I suspect we will see more Classic Versions, for both marks at this size in the future, to cater for the older person returning to motorbikes or downsizing to smaller Mid-Range Classics, which offer less weight, but not a huge drop in performance and with increased fuel economy. Thanks again.
Royal Enfield is the OG 👑!
Remember that brands like Triumph or Honda are giving you a motorcycle at a lower price only because of RE. When people were buying expensive foreign brand motorcycles, RE gave us very low priced bikes at excellent quality. Now all the competitors are coming down with lower prices. Kudos to RE!
Yess..you are right
A very good video. You covered many points that others skip, and you don't get bogged down with theatrical over acting. Information and insight. Excellent.
Took long rides of both and i tell you guys suspension of speed is lot lot better than RE. Neither the looks or the performance of suspension is good.
It is below average compared to 400-450 cc bikes. Autocar probably has taken a lot of money to highlight the suspension of RE as better suspension.
RE is very very fast and speed is very fast. RE top end is 165, speed is 160. But do we have that much clearance on road or highway? Vibration is lot lot more in RE compared to speed.
Bike influencers are doing the classic job. Demote little old bike very professionally to promote new bike without inviting abuses 😅
I am eagerly waiting for 2024 New Colour eMERAld Chrome Royal N-field Classic 350cc Motor-Cycle which has :
1) 🤩LED Headlight✅
2) 🤩LED Turn indicators✅
3) 🤩LED Tail light
4)✅Gear Position indicator
5) Fuel Gauge
6) 💚Authentic Royal N-field Twin Pilot LED Lamps 🤩 on Headlight
7) Authentic Royal N-field Thump if connected with after Market🧡INDORE SILENCER🤔
It's a Head Turner🤩
I moved to a Duke 250 from a Dominar 400, and having driven it, my respect Rishad's acute observations has grown even more, right down to how the right side feels more heat on the Duke 250 (cooling fan is on the left side, but took me 3 months to figure out why, but Rishad picked that up in the review rides) . Great review like always man
I want to choose between them for touring. My preferences are comfort, performance and maintenance. Which one should I choose?
Triumph speed 400
Triumph way ahead of its rivals , So many good words for royal Enfield, Come on guys at any day this segment goes to truimph speed 400 & x
For a moment I thought this has been uploaded from RE youtube channel. 😂
For me, it's speed 400
Happy owner of Speed 400 and honestly i would keep both... slightly jealous there😅
Speed 400 is a sure winner
People with shorter legs will have a problem with the guerrilla. The shin hitting the footpeg and that is not a good feeling . This issue is present in the interceptor too
Speed 400 has traction control - Guerrilla 450 has chunky tires
Speed 400 has USD Forks - Guerrilla 450 has feel good Forks
You guys definitely know how to mislead !!
There is no misleading. The conventional forks are from showa. And they work better in corners and higher speeds than the usd forks on speed 400. He said that clearly. He was in fact taking a subtle sarcasm on people who were cribbing about the conventional forks and immediately saying speed 400 will be better just because of USD forks. Well, it's not.
@@AamirKhan-mg7buexactly many people don’t know that USD is just more stable in leans overall conventional forks do the job better
I did my first test ride for both the bikes , im a regular city commuter with occasional long rides in my calendar and i must say re changed my mind . I thought i would buy the triumph but man the street presence and the handling was too fgoodnto ignore . I am 5'4 and I decided to go with re
450 with 11ltr fuel tank RE what are you smoking? Fuel economy 25-27kmpl 290km range keeping in mind usable is 8.5 ltrs with 2.5 reserve that's 235km realistic range on a full tank. All the best with refueling stops.
Seriously bro!!!! Royal Enfield always wins on your comparisons 😂
This guy is best auto reviewer🎉
😂
😁😁@@sash0047
Yepp
@@sash0047 🤣🤣
Thanks for mentioning about the distance between the seat and the footpegs ,many journalists miss this important point especially for taller riders
Evaluated both bikes and bought the speed 400. Primarily since the RE engines gets heated like anything and thermal mgmt is not great.. my entire leg was getting the heat. Triumph also gets heated but the thermal mgmt ensur s that the heat is limited to the feet area and not the full leg. Also, the refinement in speed 400 is unbeatable
The Triumph looks better in my opinion and I hate the digital Speedo on the Gurrilla, what were RE thinking ? the analogue speedo on the triumph looks so much better, tft displays on bikes make them look ugly and cheap while I'd prefer a pure analogue clock on the Triumph without the digital screen which I think would have been better if they kept separate without shoving it into the analogue clock but it's still far nicer to have an analogue clock that just looks good.
In fact, the main reason I wouldn't buy the Guerrilla is due to the tft display but the triumph looks the best overall in my opinion but the main reason to get the triumph for me is the lovely looking analogue clock, a bike just doesn't look the same with analogue screen.
RE gorilla looks aren't good at all.. it looks so out of place... Looks stretched when u look it from the side... No upside down forks.. re fit n finish is always under par... Not sure to agree to this review sir
With every motorcycle now RE has one competitor, my 650 is always a special bike since last 5 years and such a refined twin stands out the crowd with its twin exhaust, mind you those b2b traffic jams at 12 PM hot summer will definitely tire since with all these higher capacity engines which are not meant for city commutes
Perfect review ! The soft suspension on speed 400 is not as good as GRR450 on our roads , the looks of GRR better , performance is better ! For taller people speed looks puny , The only advantage of Speed 400 is fit and finish
To jake le poor quality GRR
@@1shortlife448kya proof he poor quality ka ?
Chasis failure, dude! What rock do you live under??? Ever heard of a bike's chasis breaking in.two because of accessories being fitted????@@AMBUSH-gs7xb
Vibration on GRR is better 😂..
Sir, with due respect when the bike doesn't start on 1st self start, kindly switch off the engine button then switch on it, pump will circulate oil again (Instructions are in manual). Then try to start.
You are trying continuously (self start).
In my country, the Guerilla would require a special motorcycle license. The Speed (less than 400CC) is ok with the regular motorcycle license.
wonder what the cost for Guerrilla tyres would cost since the GT650 & intercepter tyres were over
Rupee :15,000(pirelli) when it was launched..
Triumph A set cost from 7,000-24,000 (with & without offer) options from :
Ceat, MRF,TVS eurogrip, pirelli, metzler, Michelin, Apollo, timsun each having 2 versions
RE has its design elements but I think tank design is the main issue for many riders. RE flat tank gives a slender look but gives the same feeling of splendor. Whereas Speed 400 has a beefier tank that gives a totally different feeling.
RE looks more like a flat tracker than a roadster.
My review:
1. I prefer Triumph more than RE here .. the way it attracts and dont prefer fun every time (usually Reviewers prefer RE).
Triumph has debuted a fun riding one which is more accessible in a short period. Thats good for competitive.
RE''s tank design and the look of motorcycle is not likeable for me. Low fuel tank capacity and practically i dont like my back to be wet😉 in monsoon seasons.
Washing a bike is better than washing / trowing a shirts...
I've seen most of the youtubers perfer RE then better dont do review of other brands...😊
ผมเป็นคนไทย โดยความคิดเห็นส่วนตัว ผมชอบ RE มากกว่านะ มันให้ อารมณ์ความรู้สึกเหมือนได้ขี่จักรยานยนต์ อังกฤษคลาสสิคมากว่า Speed400 ที่ชื่อชั้นเป็นจักรยานยนต์อังกฤษ แท้ๆ แต่รูปลักษณ์ เหมือน จักรยานยนต์ญี่ปุ่น อย่างกับ CB400 สูบเดี่ยว ถ้าผมจะตั้งชื่อให้มัน
9:44 Triumph can hold one or two gears higher than the Guerrilla?? Given that the RE 450 boasts greater torque at lower rpm, wouldn't it be expected to perform better in this situation?
Gureila 450 is Something like an wild animals with so much strength in it. The power is something amazing can make you reach the sky, awesome road presence... I fell in love with this....
But our roads are not something / bike rides are not such safe while you travel on such kind of beast.. If not that safe why do we need this for commute ?
This is something Excellent in Engineering perspective, if you are trying it in circuits to feel the thrill with proper accessories excellent..
No bike is as comfortable as the triumph400 in this segment. Just don't try to hide the loopholes Guerrilla has. Lol
X440 is much comfortable than these two but it lacks in few other things
The Royal Enfield’s new 450 Sherpa engine is different than any other engine they have developed till now .
what one does better than the other isn't particularly done bad by the other. so if you had one, you wouldn't miss the other. it all comes down to brand preference, tbh, although that 11ltr tank on the RE Guerilla would be more prone to give anxiety much more often for those who keep checking their fuel gauges regularly. but then, 2 ltrs more on the triumph too isn't any significant advantage and that exactly is the point - it will most likely come down to brand preference for most.
If you aren’t picking a winner then please don’t do comparison videos. We are tired of hearing choose what you want and which likes you etc..
They have pointed out the pluses and minuses of both bikes so that can you can decide for yourself. What more do you want? Do you wish to be spoon-fed like a child about what's good for you? Go ahead and take a test ride of both bikes ans pick the one you like.
@@vineethg6259 thanks for the “spoon-feeding” brother. Appreciate your efforts.
Okay here you go Guerrilla 450 is better
As always auto car India being bias towards its own home brand. How can an older monoshock suspension can beat an upside down fork suspension
Autocar india whenever does a vs video. It never gives a clear answer. Always beating around the bush. Dont have any guts to give a real answer, or else the vehicle company will get angry??
It is a comparison, there is no clear answer, it will depend from person to person
@@tanishqshah2164 well it shouldn't. We are here to know the perspective of this channel and not decide ourself.
@@VideosfromaSailor you want to decide based on others opinion? You are a minority. Rest of us want an opinion on something so that we can decide by ourselves whether that applies to us or not.
I am using Triumph speed 400 for last 6 months , it's a comfortable bike
Dude sitting on a couch you're asking for too much go out and test for yourself. You have to judge by the review what do you like more...maybe you like more mileage or more testo who knows !
Kudos Autocar for atleast increasing the video resolution, still way more to go.
Thanks Rishaad, saw this bought one, loving it.
Let me know there is right side pulling problem in the test model you had
Enfield should have rethought the smaller seat. It looks very small considering if you’re travelling with a pillion, it will be cramped in both Enfield and triumph….
As an automotive expert guerilla ticks everything for a roadster. Suspension does better job and gem of engine sherpa 450 I am using it wonder it's launch of Himalayan. Breaks are class apart. Rest all features in both bikes are either modifiable or good and irrelevant for puree.
No surprise seeing RE fan boy choosing Guerrilla over Speed 😂 but i disagree
I Think after sales service, service intervals, service cost, reliability are also some major factors that buyers consider while buying a bike. So do include these points in ur next review and comparison videos along side engine specs and ride quality.
Ideally speaking, these two bikes are going to impact Harley's x440 market here in India.
Irrespective of whether triumph is better than RE or not.
Triumph has character and fit and finish are compelling the brand name
Sorry brother, but the Triumph is so smooth that it lacks character
@@AST7117 neo retro > lacks character ok ;)
you should have compared it with the triumph scrambler 400x!
Nice comparison. I bought the Speed 400 after a test drive of 1 hour. Took the blue one because the red you can order but there is no delivery date. Blue in stock, black one month wait, red ...? This is in France Europe, don't know for other areas.
The gap between the headlight is for adjusting the light throw
Everytime when competitor is better product on every account , what left for reviewers to tell ia RE has character 😅😅
I want to see RE Guerrilla 450 vs Triumph Scrambler 400 because Guerrilla is like a mini version of Himalayan so it should be compared with something similar that would be scrambler 400
Its good to see that finally RE is ditching the old school thump and resorting to make modern powerful and updated bikes 😮
I think for larger frames like myself 6 feet 90 plus ... Guerrilla makes kore sense
How else would you keep the screen on without mounting it on the handle bar? Should we put it in the pocket with screen on ?
Hahaha what is this review. Fun begins from the very first minute. Comments must be entertaining.
Triumph any day
You'll never see an italian/ german etc say something
bad about Ferrarri ,porsche or BMW . You will find 100000 Indians criticizing even best Indian Products.
Perception, PR and fan base is everything. If you see something from India that should be encouraged ,do it. No other countryman will do it other than Indians. Only Indians will say " I am a patriot but I am not biased..etc etc BS and go on to criticize Indian made products.
I think Triumph can play with the same engine and bring a Tiger 400. It would be an awesome combination.
Guerrilla 450 top model cost almost same as Triumph Scrambler 400, so between these which is more city friendly bike ? Both are from different segment but still can we compare these as the pricing is similar.
13:12 that's their way to sell touring mirrors @ 6000 INR🙂
Enjoyed that review. The Triumph is the better looking bike than the Royal Enfield by far, that's subjective, of course.
Whtever you do...its always a triumph engine..which none of RE can match..thts the truth