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  • Alan Moore believes every aspiring writer should read terrible books. Watch and find out why this is an integral part of developing your own style as a writer.
    This lesson is taken from Alan Moore’s BBC Maestro online storytelling course, in which he shares incredible insights on the craft of fiction writing.
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  • @FortunateJuice
    @FortunateJuice 2 года назад +7576

    "Jesus Christ, I could write this shit."
    Words to live by.

    • @stabbityjoe7588
      @stabbityjoe7588 2 года назад +7

      @@Gamer12051 is it

    • @Muppio
      @Muppio 2 года назад +27

      That's how people felt about The Ramones as well.

    • @jonpirovsky
      @jonpirovsky 2 года назад +40

      Wroite

    • @AngelReyes-lc4mw
      @AngelReyes-lc4mw 2 года назад

      I know. This Jesus guy sucks. Why do people read the Bible?

    • @sosimple3585
      @sosimple3585 2 года назад +27

      @@jonpirovsky Northampton. Be poloite.

  • @SilverShion
    @SilverShion 2 года назад +3112

    A teacher from college once told me, "If you can't think of a good idea, take a bad one and make it good"

    • @chucknutly3290
      @chucknutly3290 2 года назад +112

      My teacher always said to me you can't polish a turd but that's my job. Something tells me you went to a nicer school than I did.

    • @armin3749
      @armin3749 2 года назад +10

      ​@@chucknutly3290 that one made me laugh 🤣

    • @chucknutly3290
      @chucknutly3290 2 года назад +6

      @@armin3749 I might start a business where I dry and varnish turds and buff them up to a near mirror finish. That's either genius or insane but it just might work.

    • @chucknutly3290
      @chucknutly3290 2 года назад +7

      @@armin3749 You might not be able to polish a turd but if you dry it out first you sure can lacquer one.

    • @chucknutly3290
      @chucknutly3290 2 года назад +15

      @@armin3749 I could polish a turd if it had been fossilized. That's technically still a turd, it's called coprolite. I could sell polished coprolite. As you can probably imagine I wasn't the easiest student to teach.

  • @kissadev.
    @kissadev. 2 года назад +4351

    It is literally "learning from your mistakes" but without the mistakes being yours.

    • @danielawesome36
      @danielawesome36 2 года назад +41

      Beautiful, mate.

    • @filippoarlenghi6247
      @filippoarlenghi6247 2 года назад +5

      Yaaas

    • @latt.qcd9221
      @latt.qcd9221 2 года назад +128

      "Only a fool learns from his own mistakes. The wise man learns from the mistakes of others." - Otto von Bismarck

    • @drstephenstrange897
      @drstephenstrange897 2 года назад +1

      True|!!!

    • @DonVigaDeFierro
      @DonVigaDeFierro 2 года назад +30

      As they say: Average people learn from their own experience, smart people learn from the experiences of others... Dumb people think they know it all already.

  • @nem0763
    @nem0763 2 года назад +3583

    That's how Alice Munro started. She was running a bookstore and said, "I can do better than this." A few decades later, Nobel Prize.

    • @georgemartyn5268
      @georgemartyn5268 2 года назад +57

      ... Otto, Nobel Prize.

    • @JiorJio
      @JiorJio 2 года назад +28

      @@georgemartyn5268 Ah Rosie I love this boy

    • @CrypticCocktails
      @CrypticCocktails 2 года назад +133

      Step one: read terrible books
      Step two:
      Step three: Nobel Prize

    • @clucknbell4613
      @clucknbell4613 2 года назад +4

      It's my motivation too

    • @bushwacka5187
      @bushwacka5187 2 года назад +7

      @@CrypticCocktails As easy as that 👍

  • @archivehans
    @archivehans 2 года назад +3219

    This goes with all art. From movies to music.

    • @mafiablokes
      @mafiablokes 2 года назад +73

      Yeh, in that sense The Room is one of the most inspiring films out there

    • @alpacapines8553
      @alpacapines8553 2 года назад +42

      This is why I'm no longer mad at the shitty Watchmen adaption that made rorschach a good guy

    • @Nitsuga90
      @Nitsuga90 2 года назад +8

      That's actually a really good point

    • @VendettaAllan
      @VendettaAllan 2 года назад +1

      Just take a listen yo Bad Bunny AND J Balvin, mfs ain't got no talent at all AND they're international superstars

    • @maldivirdragonwitch
      @maldivirdragonwitch 2 года назад +16

      There are days when the best music inspires me to try achieving greatness of some kind.
      Other days, that greatness seems way out of reach and rather horrible songs inspire me to just do stuff cause I can't possibly do worse than them. :D

  • @cherryjubilee5201
    @cherryjubilee5201 2 года назад +1145

    This ancient wizard is inspiring. You're a legend, Mr.Moore.

    • @ioannislelou6437
      @ioannislelou6437 2 года назад +32

      I thought he was Santa Claus

    • @Hobojoe4464
      @Hobojoe4464 2 года назад +12

      @@ioannislelou6437 Well Santa has magic powers as well, so he can be both.

    • @captainl-ron4068
      @captainl-ron4068 2 года назад +2

      He’s a Hack

    • @devinneill1310
      @devinneill1310 2 года назад +3

      @Central Intelligence Agency in what sense?

    • @ejensen
      @ejensen 2 года назад +3

      @Central Intelligence Agency There is very little that is low key about his delusions xD But that doesn't make him a hack, he has unquestionably written some of the most popular and well received graphic novels ever.

  • @Garbageman28
    @Garbageman28 2 года назад +1032

    This is legitimately some of the only genuinely good writing advice I’ve ever heard and I’ve taken a full b.a in creative writing.

    • @FullMetalFurbee
      @FullMetalFurbee 2 года назад +1

      Same here! Couldn't have said it better myself.

    • @Garbageman28
      @Garbageman28 2 года назад +43

      for those interested: the only other truly useful pieces of writing advice i've ever heard was "What the fuck else are you going to do?" and "Do small things beautifully."

    • @greckles7821
      @greckles7821 2 года назад +8

      @Fröztbit Nütsakk The only two goals writers have.

    • @jorgealbertoapoloacosta6159
      @jorgealbertoapoloacosta6159 2 года назад +1

      @@Garbageman28 I don't get the first one

    • @Garbageman28
      @Garbageman28 2 года назад +8

      @@jorgealbertoapoloacosta6159 As I understand it - if you can answer the question with anything other than "writing" - then don't worry. You're gonna be fine.
      If you can only write, you better get writing then lmao.

  • @Dawkinstheawesome
    @Dawkinstheawesome 2 года назад +1237

    Too much in writing there is an insistence to read good works for the sake of exposure. Moore makes a great point here that often we become notion thieves of the very thing we are consuming instead of truly participating in the creative act of writing and finding our own voice. It's easy to read good prose and say "Yes, I'm like that!" It is more liberating to consume bad media and define what we don't want to be like. Beautifully said.

    • @reginaldforthright805
      @reginaldforthright805 2 года назад +14

      It’s useful to read bad books, perhaps, to discover what not to do, although I doubt it. To do so for an ego boost seems petty and suggests a lack of self confidence.

    • @igotin9264
      @igotin9264 2 года назад +28

      But that's exactly why you SHOULD do it, because it can only boost your confidence as a writer!

    • @bradhorowitz2765
      @bradhorowitz2765 2 года назад +24

      Moore is right on this. I can say there were instances where reading bad writing led to something g even better. 1)Sense and sensibility by Jane Austen. Austen did not like the goethic romance stories of her day-withering heights. So she created sense and sensibility to counter those themes she didnt like. 2)the internet reviewer linkara. He reviews bad comics, discussed why they are bad and has made very funny videos about them-he gets you to think. 3)saga by brian Vaughn. Vaughn once said that he got tired of this generation’s habit of complaining about the Star Wars prequels. He (combined with his new fatherhood) decided that he would write a Star Wars-inspired comic series. He not only has surpassed the prequels but also the sequels because he did things Star Wars could never do.

    • @majestyzx9081
      @majestyzx9081 2 года назад +4

      @@bradhorowitz2765 did you invoke The Lightbringer?

    • @morbhainwilks4237
      @morbhainwilks4237 2 года назад +1

      @@bradhorowitz2765 Are you sure you don't mean Northanger Abbey, rather than Sense and Sensibility?

  • @MrConstantMalachi
    @MrConstantMalachi 2 года назад +716

    Faulkner gave the same advice (ish):
    "Read, read, read. Read everything -- trash, classics, good and bad, and see how they do it. Just like a carpenter who works as an apprentice and studies the master. Read! You'll absorb it. Then write. If it's good, you'll find out. If it's not, throw it out of the window."

    • @goodun2974
      @goodun2974 2 года назад +29

      Flannery O'Connor once said " Friends don't let friends read Ayn Rand". I disagree, but with a proviso ---- don't read bad books of a sociopolitical nature alone or in a vacuum, read them to or with friends so that together you can function like a shared immune system, so you can all laugh at the terrible cliches and hold the barf bag out to whomever might feel the need to vomit during the sadomasochistic passages!

    • @emeraldcelestial1058
      @emeraldcelestial1058 2 года назад

      @@goodun2974 dude you are about to get so many screwball libertarians screaming into your feed now

    • @zzxp1
      @zzxp1 2 года назад +25

      Another helpful advice is to simply live life. A lot of people know how to write, but only few people have interesting things to say. An interesting story can compensate the lack of writing skill, but no amount of skill can emulate the wisdom a life full of experiences will give you.

    • @deathzonekiller2261
      @deathzonekiller2261 2 года назад +2

      @@zzxp1 Hey, nice pfp

    • @MrCmon113
      @MrCmon113 2 года назад +2

      Food labels, TV remote instructions, AGBs.

  • @ovskii96
    @ovskii96 2 года назад +422

    I remember being inspired by a really bad post-apocalyptic short film that I watched in class for screenwriting. I decided to write my own post-apocalypic screenplay for another project in that class, specifically avoiding everything in the terrible one, and got an A. So all in all, good advice.

    • @DGP406
      @DGP406 2 года назад +37

      Yeah, it's an iterative process. Spielberg once said ''It takes a generation of readers to create a generation of writers''.

    • @craftpaint1644
      @craftpaint1644 2 года назад +7

      You know someone thinks what you did sucks. Comes with the territory.

  • @iannordin5250
    @iannordin5250 2 года назад +100

    The best writer in my college creative writing course was a kid who didn't read damn near anything except bad fanfiction or the occasional book that caught his fancy. He never participated in discussions or showed much interests in the fallating of famous works he just listed to what other people had to say in workshop and carefully edited and revised his ideas.

  • @j.elizabeth4621
    @j.elizabeth4621 2 года назад +398

    I bought this course. It is so good. I've learned SO much and it really is a master class in writing, how do stop being egotistical, and is full of amazing recommendations and insight. It's helped me stop meddling in my own head and get on with it. I love the short lessons. I love his voice. Truly a work of production, direction, and editing. Highly recommended.

    • @BBCMaestro
      @BBCMaestro  2 года назад +75

      Thanks for this great feedback! We're so pleased you're enjoying the course. Would you be happy for us to share your comments? If you'd prefer to remain anonymous, that's fine.

    • @mothratemporalradio517
      @mothratemporalradio517 2 года назад +29

      @@BBCMaestro could i please urge you to consider extending offerings outside of the UK? the same with BBC player. Cheers!

    • @uremawifenowdave
      @uremawifenowdave 2 года назад +6

      @@mothratemporalradio517 I’m not sure about Maestro, but the iPlayer will never be available out with the UK as it’s paid for by the UK Television Licence.

    • @j.elizabeth4621
      @j.elizabeth4621 2 года назад +10

      @@BBCMaestro Do you offer gift subscriptions? I would love to gift the course to someone in exchange for using my feedback.

    • @PandemoniumPirateRadio
      @PandemoniumPirateRadio 2 года назад +2

      BBC should allow people worldwide to subscribe to their services by paying 🤦🏻‍♂️
      How idiotic that they don’t!

  • @TiddyTwyster
    @TiddyTwyster 2 года назад +63

    I've never actually seen Alan Moore before, now I'm convinced he's the archmage

    • @zoebaggins90
      @zoebaggins90 Год назад +5

      I've seen him in real life. I don't believe in things like auras, but he has one! He's like a gentle giant who you can feel is a magician.

    • @reptiliannoizezz.413
      @reptiliannoizezz.413 Год назад +6

      The first description I ever read of him was "possibly the reincarnation of Rasputin"

  • @MLGHazrad
    @MLGHazrad 2 года назад +29

    Alan Moore is such a legendary writer. So much so that DC gave self contained stories of his a sequel (i.e., Watchmen and Batman Killing Joke).

  • @thehaloring90
    @thehaloring90 2 года назад +54

    Funny, as an aspiring writer, I was actually thinking about using bad books to improve my skills myself. After all, if you can figure out what you hate about a bad book and how you'd fix it, you're surely at least one step above the author of that terrible book. And if they could get published, surely you can too.

    • @amanofnoreputation2164
      @amanofnoreputation2164 2 года назад +2

      You can't "fix" a bad book. This is a paradox I've come up against time and again because it's like the Heisenberg's uncertainty principle: any change worth making to a story will have a butterfly effect that makes the end result indistinguishable from what you started with -- and not just in terms of written quality -- such that the two become incomparable. I.E you might as well have started from scratch with about as much input as any ordinary source of inspiration. The closer you get to "certainty" I.E fixing the problem, the more pronounced this divergence will become. Even if you resist changing things as much as possible, you'll hardly be able to resist improving upon your own improvements midstream. So there's really nothing to do but start anew every time.
      We too readily think of writing as something mechanical and rigidly under our control and not something spontaneous and organic. The worst Orwellian newspeak verbal diarrhea you'll ever see will come from someone who thinks revising every sentence fifty times in an anal-retentive fashion will allow him to perfect his word.

  • @frankbuckwell2348
    @frankbuckwell2348 2 года назад +159

    So nice to see Alan mellowing out these days (even if it is only a little 😂)

    • @Ricardo-lb4so
      @Ricardo-lb4so 2 года назад +6

      At last I found the English translation for añejar !!!

    • @MrRizeAG
      @MrRizeAG 2 месяца назад

      He's always been mellow. He only seems cranky in headlines because dipshit web journos won't stop asking him the same 5 questions about Watchmen, superheroes, and every other sore spot of his professional career.

  • @wanderslostify
    @wanderslostify 2 года назад +42

    I am a shit writer, but this has been so helpful in my life. I would argue that you cannot understand why a good book works until you have seen those same techniques fail.

    • @JackgarPrime
      @JackgarPrime 2 года назад +2

      If you're a shit writer now, read and think about other things you've thought were shitty and how to avoid them!

    • @warlockofwordschannel7901
      @warlockofwordschannel7901 4 дня назад

      Plenty of great writers didn't think of themselves as great writers. Keep improving, keep progressing.

  • @jaycue7641
    @jaycue7641 2 года назад +9

    Alan Moore is so good at writing that he must feel this way about things he reads ALL the time!
    No joke, this man's work changed the way I look at comics and fiction in general. He's an absolute master of transporting the reader somewhere else and forgetting they exist in this world.

  • @Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache
    @Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache 2 года назад +14

    *finishes reading DC's Death Metal*
    *gives thumb's up* Done and done, Mr. Moore.

  • @vangoghsear8657
    @vangoghsear8657 11 месяцев назад +3

    This is actually really useful advice for movies too. It helps contextualize good and great films because if that's all you're watching you forget and don't learn what makes them great compared to bad movies.

  • @wellesradio
    @wellesradio 2 года назад +274

    Always be critical of writers whose work you love. “Boy, they wrote a dud this time,” or “This is why this book fails” or “There are some really weak parts here” will put you closer to your favorite writers than “OMG, I’m such a fan!”
    But of course you need to know WHY you like their work as well. Put it into words. Don’t simply “identify” with an author. Tell us what they did right.

    • @reginaldforthright805
      @reginaldforthright805 2 года назад +13

      Yes, it’s a process, and critiquing published authors is very helpful. However, I’ve noticed that a rather large percentage of aspiring authors have inflated perceptions of their own quality, based largely upon nitpicking minor flaws in works they could never hope to have composed themselves.

    • @wellesradio
      @wellesradio 2 года назад +12

      @@reginaldforthright805 What does that have to do with ego? If they see something they don’t like and take it as a lesson to avoid or address, then that’s all that matters. If a fantasy writer has issues with particular things in Tolkien, those complaints are valid even if said writer will never create anything as “Great” and set in marble as the Lord of the Rings. It’s not nitpicking to criticize many of Winston Churchill’s policies or attitudes just because he was a “great” man the likes of which no one will ever compare me to. “Greatness” shouldn’t come into the discussion at all.

    • @reginaldforthright805
      @reginaldforthright805 2 года назад +16

      @@wellesradio sure criticism is good, but many inexperienced authors jump to the conclusion “I can do better than this shit,” based on the identification of some minor flaw, which is, of course, a risable thing to do.

    • @wellesradio
      @wellesradio 2 года назад +3

      @@reginaldforthright805 Nothing wrong with that.

    • @wellesradio
      @wellesradio 2 года назад +5

      @@reginaldforthright805 What’s more it’s not always a matter of “I can do better than this.” Sometimes it’s simply, “I need to address this issue I have with this particular work.” And we can’t fault young writers for doing so simply because they will never write something as big and capital G Great as LOTR. Heck, many of them know they’re not as knowledgeable or experienced as Tolkien, yet they still feel that they can carve out a niche that they felt Tolkien missed. Like Frodo, they climb that mountain because they have to, not because they’re the biggest and best at it. Writing isn’t a dick measuring contest. Even if you won’t write “the best” or sell the most, if you have something to say that you feel needs to be said, say it. Fanboys and girls will accuse you of nitpicking, but they’ll say that about any valid criticism that is in their view “technically true but unimportant.”
      Their first line of argument is “well, I’d like to see you try” as if artists and art critics should not the two separate things. Then when one does try, they are accused of “thinking themselves superior”.

  • @chriscueva1866
    @chriscueva1866 2 года назад +19

    Alan Moore needs a podcast

  • @highestsettings
    @highestsettings 2 года назад +36

    Any artist in any form owes it to themselves to explore the shit as much as they explore the masterpieces.
    How can you stop yourself from doing something poorly if you don't even know what it looks like?
    On top of that, understanding your own taste is essential to being able to create something you like.

  • @SortingStuffOutMan
    @SortingStuffOutMan 2 года назад +47

    Ok I'll read a few Dan Brown books

    • @denissetiawan3645
      @denissetiawan3645 2 года назад +5

      You mean E. L. James?

    • @Kromgar
      @Kromgar 2 года назад +1

      Dan Brown books are very formulaic, but the first exposure to it is usually pleasant.

    • @Kaoruishere
      @Kaoruishere 2 года назад +3

      @@Kromgar I picked up The Da Vinci Code back in the day and wanted it to disintegrate before the first chapter was even over.

    • @wanderslostify
      @wanderslostify 2 года назад +3

      "... and he looked in the box. His brow furrowed." CHAPTER [next].

    • @JL-uq6qe
      @JL-uq6qe 2 года назад +3

      @@Kaoruishere literally me a a few weeks ago

  • @IllikasRager
    @IllikasRager 2 года назад +12

    "Read not only good books, but read terrible books as well."
    Amen, Alan Moore. Amen. And this applies to FAR more than just books, too. And actually, even terrible things can have amazing moments. It's all a matter of having a personal opinion, not the opinion of the general public.

  • @datemasamune2904
    @datemasamune2904 2 года назад +335

    He isn’t wrong. I read “I’m not Starfire”, and I had more confidence in my writing.

    • @directorforplastic7929
      @directorforplastic7929 2 года назад +16

      You people are still talking about that book? It’s been almost a year, grow up and get over it.

    • @bdi_vd3677
      @bdi_vd3677 2 года назад +112

      @@directorforplastic7929 why act offended at just a neutral statement? What new interesting and exciting thing did you facilitate by criticising such comment?

    • @itsaUSBline
      @itsaUSBline 2 года назад +10

      ​@@bdi_vd3677 What new, interesting, and exciting thing did OP facilitate by making such a comment in the first place? Furthermore, what new, interesting, and exciting thing did you facilitate by responding to his criticism of OP's comment?
      Hell, what new, interesting, and exciting thing am I facilitating by responding to your response?

    • @suakeli
      @suakeli 2 года назад +69

      @@itsaUSBline Sorry to interrupt your existential crisis, but I was slightly amused by Masamune's comment. Not every internet comment needs to be Pulitzer worthy.

    • @clairestark9024
      @clairestark9024 2 года назад +28

      @@itsaUSBline it's pretty funny. I am not starfire is delightfully shit.

  • @kris242
    @kris242 2 года назад +6

    This is the exact thing I think about with music also. I’ve learned so much about how to sing, song-write, find guitar tones and generally perform from “terrible,” musicians. More so than “great ones.” And not only do you learn to avoid making certain mistakes, but I also find that artists who aren’t very self-aware or skilled also manage to break rules in really interesting ways that could actually create something unique if used the right way. This is fantastic advice.

  • @JDesch
    @JDesch 2 года назад +6

    Brilliant point. There's absolutely inspiration in seeing a concept not live up to its potential and thinking how something similar could be more interesting

  • @thewisestman1
    @thewisestman1 2 года назад +8

    Alan Moore is the UK's unsung genius. Simply fantastic author, and a wise man to boot.

    • @videogamesworld01
      @videogamesworld01 2 года назад

      How is the most popular comic writer unsung?

    • @thewisestman1
      @thewisestman1 2 года назад +2

      @@videogamesworld01 Alan is very far from the household name that his creative genius deserves. How many people selected at random would know who he was (compared to say J K Rowling). How often do you hear him mentioned in mainstream media, see him appear on cultural programming, encounter him outside of the narrow world of his purview. What proportion of people who have encountered the products of his prodigious imagination (or spin-off's thereof) actually know who's work it is they are experiencing? Thus I use the words "unsung genius". He should, like say Stephen Hawking (to whose genius his, is in its own way, is comparable) be a household name and feted by our society. A gemstone in otherwise (culturally) pretty low-grade company.

  • @007MrYang
    @007MrYang 2 года назад +9

    I swear to god, this dude is immortal. Feels like he's been around forever.

    • @_ArmIa
      @_ArmIa 2 года назад +1

      He’s going to outlive all of us.

  • @jedijones
    @jedijones 2 года назад +5

    Works as a fan too. Helps you appreciate the good stuff more.

  • @King-ze2kt
    @King-ze2kt 2 года назад +4

    this is the writing technique my brother has had for years. Crazy to see Alan Moore saying it

  • @markyang1924
    @markyang1924 Год назад +3

    A very genuine, helpful, and well thought through piece of advice. He would've become a great teacher. Also, really love his voice.

  • @marcelosinico
    @marcelosinico 2 года назад +69

    I felt like that when I watched the new trilogy of Star Wars.
    "I could write it better!"
    Then I realized that absolutely any one could do it better.

    • @matthewknudson8610
      @matthewknudson8610 2 года назад +8

      Maybe. Modern Star Wars suffers from corporate oversight. The Mandalorian was the one good SW product and now it’s become a launching pad for other mediocre shows and tie in’s. The new movies will always suffer from merchandise inserts, fan pandering and wallowing in nostalgia to put anything of substance in. I don’t know if any writer can convince a bunch of Disney suits otherwise.

    • @mattf1sh97
      @mattf1sh97 2 года назад +14

      Going by the scrips that people posted online, maybe not _anyone_ haha

    • @MrCmon113
      @MrCmon113 2 года назад +3

      Firstly what's good is subjective.
      Secondly, the writers don't just have to appease some small group of nerds. They have to make something with mainstream appeal. Something parents want to show their little kids. Something to sell toys with. Something that looks good in a cinema.
      You really think the authors couldn't have done it more interestingly? They could, but they have other stuff to accomplish.

    • @marcelosinico
      @marcelosinico 2 года назад

      @@MrCmon113 Interesting! You just explained how bad the writing of the trilogy is, and you gave the reasons for it.
      The only thing that you said that doesn't make sense is "good is subjective".
      We are talking about good writing, and there is nothing subjective about that. A few concepts are unchangeable. If you ignore them, the writing will be like a monkey playing drums.
      And they did it with Star Wars. They literally pissed on the hero's journey from begin to end.
      If the writing was pleasing for some people with ideological agenda, it doesn't make it good. There is nothing subjective about that.

    • @mutantfreak48
      @mutantfreak48 2 года назад

      @Oswald Cobblepot nice bait lol

  • @piotrsegal6475
    @piotrsegal6475 2 года назад

    It's such a pleasure to listen to him. Such eloquence and careful choice of words

  • @zemixboy
    @zemixboy 2 года назад +2

    A real wizard of scripts, all his works have incredible strength and insight!Thanks for the Watchmen at least a masterpiece!

  • @erniemendoza36
    @erniemendoza36 2 года назад +35

    "Oh, really? You liked how I made your favorite superhero a heroin-addicted jazz critic who's not radioactive?"

    • @arturoluque9269
      @arturoluque9269 2 года назад +7

      I don't read the Ballon text, i just look a The drawings.

    • @joncarroll2040
      @joncarroll2040 2 года назад +12

      I wonder if he'll sign my Watchmen Babies DVD...

    • @spiderjerusalem4009
      @spiderjerusalem4009 2 года назад

      You see WOT those bloody corporations do? They take your ideas and they suck them. Suck them like leeches until they've gotten every last drop of marrow from your bones!

    • @danilima6970
      @danilima6970 2 года назад +1

      I love this episode.

  • @Gamer12051
    @Gamer12051 2 года назад +4

    thanks Alan; that's great advice. You're my hero

  • @ratio4astaroth
    @ratio4astaroth 2 года назад +1

    This is an amazing take! I wish I had thought like this earlier!🤘👏

  • @baronfawkes
    @baronfawkes 2 года назад

    Thank you so much, Alan Moore, I appreciate the small word of advice!

  • @TheWillHadcroft
    @TheWillHadcroft 2 года назад +3

    What a wonderful piece of advice for aspiring writers.

  • @jhansam8757
    @jhansam8757 2 года назад +3

    Me encanta como pronuncia las palabras el sr Alan Moore, habla tan bien inglés y se entiende perfectamente lo que dice.

  • @KenTheSith
    @KenTheSith 2 года назад

    Thank you sir. That really helps to lift some of my self doubt.

  • @maggiem6209
    @maggiem6209 2 года назад +1

    Mr. Moore, you inspire me and this is both hilarious and great advice. 👍 Happiness be with you today.

  • @organicketchup5171
    @organicketchup5171 2 года назад +5

    According to the book on how ‘Watchmen’ was written, Alan Moore writes his drafts sitting comfortably in bed, dreaming the proceedings into existence. Sounds like a good method to me.

  • @Phoenixzs1012
    @Phoenixzs1012 2 года назад +4

    This is such a good advice.

  • @robertlaurine7303
    @robertlaurine7303 2 года назад

    This is very good advice, not just for books, but for any medium out there.

  • @tanith1163
    @tanith1163 10 месяцев назад +1

    Thank you, Mr. Moore. Duly noted. *rushes off to the library* Alan Moore said I could!!!

  • @stevena488
    @stevena488 2 года назад +32

    Yeah, the good stuff will make you feel inadequate and the crap stuff will push you further because you'll think "Some bastard wrote this. I can do better than THIS."

  • @korosuke1788
    @korosuke1788 2 года назад +16

    He's so right. So many times I've gone "It's literally impossible to tell such a good story using worse words".

    • @jedinxf7
      @jedinxf7 2 года назад +1

      I think comic book fans who have made it to or past college will have to live with this feeling often.

  • @SprayNpreyT
    @SprayNpreyT 2 года назад

    I applied this to my craft, helped me improve so solid advice

  • @chugg159
    @chugg159 2 года назад +1

    A very eloquent speaker. He finishes his thoughts.

  • @michaelstevens5712
    @michaelstevens5712 2 года назад +3

    Completely agree. I've been really enjoying working through the Overlord series of light novels for this reason. On a technical writing level, at least early on, they're both poorly written *and* poorly translated but the net result is that it's this endless scroll of sentences my brain would never allow me to write animated by the author's sincere and driven focus on their characters and story. It's so much more enriching than if it were two letter grades better.

  • @amanofnoreputation2164
    @amanofnoreputation2164 2 года назад +3

    in retrospective, I pick stories apart habitually, but this is still a good point because it's rare that I go out of my way to find a bad book.
    Picking apart bad fanfiction is almost taking the idea too far in the other direction because it isn't published by definition and hasn't passed any of the filters involved.
    I think the real core of this isn't so much self esteem and analysis, but rather that if you only read good books, you're spoiling yourself because you never realize just how good you've got it until you come across an author who's cocked it up.
    This raises another point: there are so many filters and heuristics to publishing by now that it often takes ten years of work for a writer to get their debut, and even then their writing looks exactly the same as everyone else's.
    With this in mind, outsider work often carries untapped potential. so if you do go digging for bad amateur works published over the internet, you may actually stumble across something intensely original.

  • @nahomgirma5095
    @nahomgirma5095 4 месяца назад

    I find this video very inspiring. This is something that can be taught in not only books/novels but in all forms of art: movies, songs, paintings, video games ect.

  • @codswallop321
    @codswallop321 2 года назад

    Great advice, which you could apply to pretty much any walk of life. E.g. as a trainee school teacher, I was advised to observe lessons of inexperienced colleagues, and figure out where they were going wrong. I learnt loads.

  • @BluJean6692
    @BluJean6692 2 года назад +3

    One of my writing professors in college said something similar: that while you're in the process of writing something reading too many good books (or reading too much in general) can accidentally drown out your "voice", something along the lines of what Alan is saying re: starting to emulate what you're reading instead of writing from scratch...

  • @moscowgonzo4721
    @moscowgonzo4721 2 года назад +5

    YES
    As a filmmaker, I always say: watch bad movies and analyze them. It's not hard to say what you like and why. Much harder is to understand why you don't like smth, and how could you to avoid it

  • @OceansideSpiderHouse
    @OceansideSpiderHouse 2 года назад

    I think this piece of advice can be extended to other pieces of media too. Even if your only goal is to write novels, analysis of what makes for bad writing in a tv series or a video game (coupled with analyzing that media’s design challenges and what goals the piece was trying to accomplish) is extremely helpful. Not only will you understand what you want to write more, but you’ll also better understand the freedoms and limitations of working on a novel, a tv series, or whatever it is you want to create compared to other media.

  • @Bamazon1990
    @Bamazon1990 Год назад +1

    Omg I have been doing this for years so glad to hear it is officially helpful haha

  • @DarksideBallerina
    @DarksideBallerina 2 года назад +4

    He single handed my justified why I love stupid/bad literature. I know all their flaws, I know why they’re clunky and don’t work well, but it also helps me pick out the gems. And while I do love good stuff, sometimes the earnestness of a bad piece of media speaks more to me than pretension. And yes, you have the soothing knowledge that you can do better than the worst. 😂

  • @chwenhoou
    @chwenhoou 2 года назад +37

    As a comic book fan, I can think of numerous terrible books to teach me what not to do. Rob Liefeld's Youngblood comics are a masterclass in botched artwork, storytelling, plotting, character development, character design, etc.

    • @planetschlock
      @planetschlock 2 года назад +5

      I've never been able to make it past the first issue.

    • @vaderetro264
      @vaderetro264 2 года назад +14

      You've found an extraordinary example of a comic book which will make you a better artist just by not looking at it.

    • @JohnLutherable
      @JohnLutherable 2 года назад +10

      lol yeah, Liefeld books are appalling, like that Cap run where literally everything is wrong, from page composition to anatomy to...everything. and he hired Alan for a time

    • @vaderetro264
      @vaderetro264 2 года назад +7

      @@JohnLutherable Rob taught the world how to draw while driving, so I still love him.

  • @TheCthultist
    @TheCthultist 2 года назад +1

    This is some of the absolute best advice I’ve ever heard

  • @michael.471
    @michael.471 11 месяцев назад +2

    I love Alan Moore. He is such a master of his craft. Legitimately one of the greatest authors of the 20th century.

  • @112steinway
    @112steinway 2 года назад +3

    I couldn't agree more, mostly because it's the EXACT reason I decided I wanted to be a writer.

  • @Malt454
    @Malt454 2 года назад +5

    It sort of reinforces the idea that success in writing depends more on persistence than talent - after all, the bad book you're reading was published, even if you are still aren't. What many people want, however, is to be a wealthy/popular/celebrated author without really putting in the work, actual quality be damned - many would gladly be the next Harold Robbins or Dan Brown in a heartbeat.

  • @nicholasrpatton
    @nicholasrpatton 2 года назад +2

    This wizard is a straight up inspiration. Good man

  • @madnessb8305
    @madnessb8305 2 года назад

    For sure taking a lot of tips for writing for my journey to become a author.

  • @christianboustani8284
    @christianboustani8284 2 года назад +9

    Fun Fact: This man is also a professional wizard

  • @fehner27
    @fehner27 2 года назад +4

    Edgar Rice Burroughs thought this same thing when he read stories in magazines. He was like, " I can write better than this." Thus, Tarzan was born.

  • @august_astrom
    @august_astrom 2 года назад

    That was very helpful. Thanks Alan!

  • @gabrielwarren6955
    @gabrielwarren6955 2 года назад

    I've always thought this. Not only that when you see something done wrong you have a better understanding of what was done right

  • @star3catcherSEQUEL
    @star3catcherSEQUEL 2 года назад +10

    Alan Moore out here justifying my guilty hobby of reading infamously terrible fanfiction.

    • @feature.of.jarjar24
      @feature.of.jarjar24 2 года назад

      Some people genuinely like that stuff and that's okay, too. It's just that their outspoken interest of that stuff would probably only exist in a microcosm rather than being shouted from the rooftops. Then again, there's a lot of shit out there that is terrible but also mainstream, and obscure stuff that is really damn good. That said I would not read "Waluigi's Taco Stand" for leisure.

  • @snovid3306
    @snovid3306 2 года назад +25

    I tried reading Brandon Sanderson, but it was impossible

    • @hildaenjoyer8862
      @hildaenjoyer8862 2 года назад +4

      He's crap at dialogue, humour and just characters in general but I'll say he's a brilliant writer when it comes to world building and when it comes to concluding his books, he's one of the best in the game right now.

    • @vagabundorkchaosmagick-use2898
      @vagabundorkchaosmagick-use2898 2 года назад +6

      Ok, don't read every terrible book you find, only those that you can's tolerate.

    • @CaptJPurdie
      @CaptJPurdie 2 года назад +1

      For you*

    • @MicahMicahel
      @MicahMicahel 2 года назад +5

      I haven't read him but I'm very suspicious of your comment. I heard how terrible Stephen King was for decades until I finally read one of his books. He's great at character and his stories have a freewheeling aspect that make them gripping. They are easy reads without any moral substance but they are still thrilling. How could he have been so maligned? Brandon Sanderson is incredibly popular and has a loyal fanbase. He has to have some great merit.

    • @MicahMicahel
      @MicahMicahel 2 года назад +1

      ps. I've read a whole pile of King's books now. For a 'bad' writer he can get addictive!

  • @AustinChubak
    @AustinChubak 2 года назад

    Seriously I love this. Thanks.

  • @archetypal5027
    @archetypal5027 2 года назад

    Amazing perspective

  • @TheShapingSickness
    @TheShapingSickness 2 года назад +9

    I just read a book that had a great premise but had a random out of place scene at the beginning that made me go: "this is the murderer isn't he"

    • @thebaneofyourexistence.3377
      @thebaneofyourexistence.3377 2 года назад +1

      If this post is anything to go by, your writing is in deep trouble.

    • @squidlytv
      @squidlytv 2 года назад

      @@thebaneofyourexistence.3377 Is this a comment on his punctuation?

    • @thebaneofyourexistence.3377
      @thebaneofyourexistence.3377 2 года назад

      @@squidlytv not at all.

    • @squidlytv
      @squidlytv 2 года назад

      @@thebaneofyourexistence.3377 Then what about his comment implies his writing is in deep trouble.

    • @thebaneofyourexistence.3377
      @thebaneofyourexistence.3377 2 года назад

      @@squidlytv if you don’t know, I can’t help you. Read the damn thing and find out.

  • @darrinfromvault801
    @darrinfromvault801 2 года назад +4

    Glad to know 1 of my favorite writers also enjoys learning from schlock & crazy socks.
    Bad art can be as entertaining as any of the best forms of media. Look up Neil Breen

  • @erasmusmusiccentre1387
    @erasmusmusiccentre1387 2 года назад +1

    It was exactly this reaction that got me into writing.

  • @chucklemaster9809
    @chucklemaster9809 2 года назад

    Finding inspiration by way of "god I wish this was done just a little bit better" is great!

  • @mrrd4444
    @mrrd4444 2 года назад +3

    The reason I started writing was because I read Twilight as a kid and thought "wait... I could write better" and nowadays I'm well into my independent writing career in comics, podcasts, etc. Spite is one of the greatest motivators 🙈

  • @kenthefele113
    @kenthefele113 2 года назад +3

    This advice shows why Alan Moore is a genius writer. He thinks outside the box.

  • @kurremkarmerruk8718
    @kurremkarmerruk8718 2 года назад +1

    This is such good advice. Someone gave me a hardback -- physically one of the biggest books on my shelf -- for Christmas that read like Twighlight fan fiction mixed with Lord of the Rings and wrote a whole personalised note on the cover page about how beautiful the writing was and how they hoped I'd enjoy it as much as they did. It was so awful, every chapter was like a masterclass on anaemic writing. I swear I began seeing plot, character, setting, tonal errors in different colours in my mind; I read the whole thing in a week.
    I've had the most productive few months of writing in my life on the back of that. Great gift.

    • @crakhaed
      @crakhaed 2 года назад

      What's the title of this beautiful beast?

    • @kurremkarmerruk8718
      @kurremkarmerruk8718 2 года назад

      @@crakhaed After trashing it so mercilessly I feel like a bit of a git "outing" it. But for the sake of good art . . . Naamah's Kiss.

  • @VideoMeltdown
    @VideoMeltdown 2 года назад

    Thx for everything, E.L. James

  • @andreasvedeler80
    @andreasvedeler80 2 года назад +4

    This is absolutely true. I discovered that there was a difference between first and second person poetic language by reading World War Z and seeing how the writer messed that up completely

  • @ShootMeMovieReviews
    @ShootMeMovieReviews 2 года назад +10

    In once had to transcribe part of a romance novel by a bestselling author. It read like something by a 10 year old child. Everything from the grammar to the basic story-telling elements was inept. It was simultaneously depressing and inspiring in equal measure.

    • @raid004
      @raid004 2 года назад

      Fifty Shades or Twilight?

    • @ShootMeMovieReviews
      @ShootMeMovieReviews 2 года назад +4

      @@raid004 Nowhere near that level of quality. It was rambling nonsense without any clear plot at all.

    • @vboi5697
      @vboi5697 2 года назад

      @@ShootMeMovieReviews what was the book's name, out of curiosity?

    • @ShootMeMovieReviews
      @ShootMeMovieReviews 2 года назад

      @@vboi5697 No idea. I did send my friend a quote from it to illustrate how nonsensical it was, and I found it just now in my email history:
      First character: "Why are you scowling while you're holding onto me? I mean you've got the moves, but they seem to be rote for you if you can focus on anything else but me on moving your feet around as you are."
      Second character: "I quickly pushed thoughts with my father and work and anything else out of my mind, squeezed Sally's hips, and then do a little twirl."
      Its meaning is ambiguous (that second sentence...), the tense changes without warning, and it's impossible to care what's happening.

  • @a.r.g.3515
    @a.r.g.3515 2 года назад

    props to the sound guys.

  • @deanedongdoorbell
    @deanedongdoorbell 2 года назад +1

    I love this man.

  • @Kurokaiba
    @Kurokaiba 2 года назад +12

    After watching this I realized that all of the books I have ever managed to complete, not publish yet but those that I actually sat down and finished, I only even started writing out of spite after reading several bad books and thinking, "I can do better than this. In fact I'm going to."

  • @Krissdafish
    @Krissdafish 2 года назад +7

    This applies to everything that can be learned, experienced, practiced and so on. Successful people will just say: "Just do it, have faith in your own thing and you'll succeed." Which is true for them because they made it. But when you examine those who "failed", they can tell you where it went wrong and probably why it went wrong, so you can avoid doing the same.

  • @MrMegaManFan
    @MrMegaManFan 2 года назад

    What a lovely man. Bless 🙏

  • @surgeland9084
    @surgeland9084 2 года назад +3

    As a writer, I generally read good books for inspiration and bad books for motivation.

  • @benlee8436
    @benlee8436 2 года назад +4

    This may be the most important advice a writer could hear! Too many get stuck trying to emulate classics and failing, but what is good always comes from within: the author's personal voice. It needs no help other than to know how not to screw up in presenting it to others. And it's a double gift, as reading a classic can leave you dispirited, as you will never equal that author at being them, but to be reminded that many, many awful writers gain success is uplifting, as it shows how low the bar is and how to gain notice and how not to be terrible doing it!

  • @benhramiak8781
    @benhramiak8781 2 года назад +1

    I've found that seeing how a story fails is useful. Or, nick ideas that people mention in passing, or use ideas you would use for that thing in your own work

  • @catthomas3097
    @catthomas3097 2 года назад +1

    This helped for my music!

  • @molinagrn65
    @molinagrn65 2 года назад +6

    This way of thinking has actually worked to inspire me, mainly with how I’d do the story.
    I do it a lot with bad animated movies and comics. 😂

  • @Ki_Adi_Mundi
    @Ki_Adi_Mundi 2 года назад +3

    Hollywood writers:
    _"Nah, we'll just do another shitty remake or sequel."_
    _"..."_
    _"Like a Watchmen TV show."_

  • @MechanicalRabbits
    @MechanicalRabbits 2 года назад +1

    This is so true for other artforms too. I went to a concert the other day, and the opening act had a guitarist who refused to stop playing the same two chord vamp through entire songs. No change in dynamics, no change in position, no interesting arrangement, nothing. Sometimes the rest of the band would increase the intensity of the song, but it got completely undermined by her playing because she kept doing exactly the same thing. There was no keyboard either, so that was the only harmonic content you heard for the whole song. I may not be the best guitarist in the world, but I spent the whole 40 minutes they played thinking I could've thought of a billion arrangements for each song far more interesting than those. I don't think I've ever been more inspired to keep things interesting when accompanying somebody else.

  • @RageTheDragoon
    @RageTheDragoon 2 года назад

    Good Advice. I talk regularly with a friend of mine about bad comics that clearly have the elements to be a good story but all the pieces are just used poorly. Deconstructing them and seeing where things go wrong, why certain events or even cliche's irritate compared to betters works is really helpful.

  • @HipnikDragomir
    @HipnikDragomir 2 года назад +6

    This is great advice for any creator. You'll know what to avoid.