Glad you were able to attend, Ryan/Nick. As it showcases these systems, without having to go to a dealership. And, NOT only drive them back to back, but also having to find some sort of OR Course where the salesman/dealership won't mind.
Ryan, Your focused comparison of these three Toyota 4WD systems as found on the 4Runner, Tundra and LX has demonstrated conclusively that the Toyota 4X4 we really want is the Prado 😂 I hope some day you get to drive a genuine Land Cruiser with locking rear, center and front differentials. With those features you won't need to waste time searching for the MTS buttons 🤩
4Runner for the win. Cant stand the constant beeping the new drivetrains give you when off road. Plus with manual transfer case your know for sure it’s in 4wd
I absolutely love your long form content like this. I live in PA and don't really off-road, but I am looking for a big bulky "Dad car" since my wife and I are expecting a second. I also do a bit of traveling into gun ranges/camping/etc, so it'd be nice. I'm still gonna hold off and see what the next generation 4Runner looks like.
@@davidr6865 I understand your perspective. I think that may be the route I go. I kinda want to wait and see. I like the simplicity of the current gen, but if its only a few k more for a considerable upgrade, that might be worth it. I just wish the current gen got a little better mpg.
@@markc9949 trust me the 5th gen will be the last true reliable 4Runner. Newer is not always better. I had a 2015 tacoma, traded for a 2022 tacoma because I got what I paid back in 2015 for my trade in value. I ended up getting rid of it after a year. I hated the new trans and engine. The 3.5 v6 was anemic and trans tuning was super sloppy. The 4.0 is a tank with the 5spd auto. Love my 22 4Runner, it feels like it’s built out a solid block of steel. Im never getting rid of it. It like a baby land cruiser
Thank you for the videos you’re making. I haven’t seen a video with the 4Runner limited with full time 4wd compared to Lexus GX and land cruiser system. Are they the same? Maybe a future video? Thanks👍
The previous gen Lexus GX470, 4th gen 4Runner V8 full time 4WD, and 4th gen 4Runner V6 with 4WD selector to 4H pretty much function the same with an improved ATRAC over the 100 series LC/LX. The 120 series LC Prado platform have the torsen center differential whereas the 100 series LC platform has an open center differential. ATRAC is an iteration older on the 100 series. The manual FJ Cruiser 4WD is also full time 4WD and all FJ Cruiser 4WD's ATRAC is an improved version of the one on the 4th gen 4Runner/GX470. The 150 series LC Prado platform, aka the 5th gen 4Runner and GX460 perform similar off road as well. The Limited trim 5th gen 4Runner get the full time 4WD with torsen center differential like the GX460, except the GX460 can be optioned with MTS and crawl control. 5th gen 4Runner Limited doesn't get the off-road goodies available in the GX460 thus forcing buyer to get the 4Runner TRD Offroad/TRD Pro. ATRAC is a newer iteration on the 5th gen 4Runner and GX460 over the 120 series platform. North American LC 200/LX570 all came with torsen center differential whereas previous 100 series LC had an open center differential similar to a 90 series LC Prado/3rd gen 4Runner. The torsen center differential allow 60% power to rear and 40% power to front normally. If slip is detected, % power shifts away from the normal 60% rear/40% front ratio. Locking the center differential will lock the ratio to 50% front and 50% rear. Selectable factory lockers (rear and/or front) are available in oversea models, but not an option for US models. Oversea LC300/LX600 can be optioned with selectable front, center, and rear lockers. Maybe Toyota suspect most hardcore 4WD buyers will use aftermarket lockers from ARB or Harrop in the North American market. We are definitely not their biggest market for Land Cruisers.
I am glad you gave a personal choice. Often it seems as if certain journalist channels(whom will go unmentioned here)are too afraid to be bias. I know you like the LX600 best, and maybe if I were to be daily driving on the highway on a regular basis, I would agree. However, the strength of the 4R TRD is where I lean towards because of the approach/departure angle. It is a shame that the front facing camera is just now an option. But as bad as you say it is, I am not going to trade up my 2018 just for that. An after market system would be cheaper and I still get all the great functionalities that have not changed since the 5th Gen. came out.
Ever since Lexus has gotten a version of a Toyota vehicle, the company feels obligated to give the more advanced systems to the Lexus and require the customer to pay a lot more. You can see from the comments, many people simply want a 4-Runner sized vehicle option with the front, center, and rear locking differentials with KDSS and not be force to buy many option packages to get the right 'bones'. This should not cost more than $55k in 2022 and not require an $80K+ Lexus to get this level of functionality.
Do you have a video on all the modes in the 4runner- what each does and more specifically, what situations to use each one? I just got a 4runner and it’s all head exploding 🤯
I bought the 4runner because its an old proven reliable dinosaur. Its still made the same way it was back in toyota's golden era, and I think people are still buying it in record numbers because of that
It's amazing how many car experts get this wrong. But an locked diff does not send the same amount of power to both sides it just locks wheel speed. Power is based on torque and torque is calculated based on friction or traction. So if both wheels are locked the wheel with the most traction produces more power Ironically its an open diff that will always split torque 50/50%. The reason only one wheel spins is because only enough torque necessary to spin the wheel to redline is sent to both wheels and divided evenly. And thats not enough torque to turn the other wheel. Engineering explained has many videos about this
@@crusherman96 Your thinking of E-Diffs or Electronic limited slip/locking diffs. Which uses electronically controlled clutch packs on a mechanical differential to limit wheel slip. This uses an electronically controlled differential lock, although they are both electronically controlled they are different. This uses electronics to activate the mechanical differential lock
2006 LX470 100 series. 2nd owner in June 2020 w/189K mi. Put on 51K mi since. Some normal repla ement items, oil, tires etc amd it still drives at 80-85% like new. Made the mistake of telling the wife it's nearly bullet proof. Won't be able to kill it to buy the 200 or 300 series LX. If that V6 holds up, I would want the LX600 and hope some does a front bumper. 🙃
I’d choose my 22’ GX460 again every time. I swapped out the stock wheels and tires for a nice set of wheels and BFG’s. I love this thing, long live the V8!
18:25 I'm sure you know this, but it doesn't matter if it's part-time or full-time 4WD, if they're dual speed (high and low range) then it has a transfer case. The LX600 has a dual speed transfer case with a lockable Torsen center differential.
@@michaeldbhawker3556 full time 4WD also has advantages, and in my opinion (and the vehicle manufacturers) full time is better than part time. G-Class, Land Cruiser, LX have full time 4WD, the marquee vehicles from each respective brand.
That Lexus looks exactly like Kylo Ren's mask. The system you need is the one from the Lexus but with the Tundra's hybrid system to smooth out the wheel spin. Can you imagine a 4r with that? And the AHC as an option?
Hmmm…. All-wheel drive is why I’m on my 3rd 5th Gen 4Runner Limited. Just wish I could have KDSS and front/rear lockers. I’d strongly consider the GX (V8 and KDSS) but I don’t like the grille and would greatly miss the roll-down rear window…
You did a great job simplifying the differences between the systems and their use. Lexus LX 600: Besides the hideous looks the complete failure of the dash was wild. It looks like they glued a Switch Lite to the top.
Manual levers and ceiling-mounted knobs >>> console-mounted push buttons. That's just facts. No comments about the tire type or wheel size of the Lexus LX?
Nice! I think I'll keep my thousand dollar lx450, cheap to repair and work on myself and not crazy parts and computers everywhere, plus don't feel bad about scratching it up as if it was 80k lol
The 300 series platform is the most well built and offroad capable of the bunch. It just gets nerfed here with its LEXUS adornments. Give the aftermarket some time and we'll be seeing some stuff to actually let you wheel it, just like the 300 in Oz.
Better to get the 5th Gen 4Runner while you can. Made in Japan, proven reliability, significantly less maintenance required. Going into the upcoming zombie apocalypse, it’s the easy choice.
So, the LX600 is preferred due to it Full-time 4WD system. Same system as the GX460!! LX600 has the advantage with ground clearance - but - same 4WD system as GX460.
The land cruiser is very durable n functional. A Dakar Rally Racer capability, the UN expeditions vehicles, n the often used in the war zone. The Lexus version is a luxury version to counter Land Rover n Mercedes G.
Hey Ryan. The rumor is Toyota will bring Land Cruiser Prado to US in 2024. That means Lexus LX like AWD system in a much cheaper package. Sounds like the best choice for a everyday off-roader. Don’t you agree?
I want to know as well! I was so bummed when he sold the 4Runner. It was going to be the benchmark vehicle for offroad tests. Now he's got these crap Fords. Still the best car channel on RUclips, so I'll watch but I miss the 4Runner
rear diff lock does not give equal power to each wheel, the opposite, same speed but almost all the torque to the wheel with most traction, so more power to that wheel. also, center diff lock, mean the exact opposite of 50-50torque split. Thats what an open diff does.
@@crusherman96 Turbo’s won’t last as long as a naturally aspirated engine. And I refuse to pay the kind of money for an LX only bc at the end of the day it’s still a Toyota. Don’t get me wrong, my mother is on her 2nd Lexus and at 81 years old she deserves it
Also it's not not an auto diff, it's not even that technologically advanced. It's just a mechanical torsen limited-slip differential. The kind of thing that's been around for decades. So it probably doesn't even cost as much as you think
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Ryan - please add few seconds silence at the beginning.. you are talking right away from start.
Very instructional as always. Can’t wait for the next gen 4Runner. An anticipated hybrid drive will be a game changer. Let’s hope they adopt a commensurate transmission.
I am currently in the market stuck between a TRD Limited Tundra or RAM Rebel and noticed that the Rebel is one of the big off road names you have not reviewed. Is there a reason behind that?
Too bad Toyota jumped on the undersized turbo engine band wagon. They lost any further sales from me for new Tundras...guess I'll be going with a Nissan Titan.
@@Rainy_Day12234 It certainly will be, and people don't get it...but most people today out buying new stuff don't keep stuff long enough to know or care.
Hey. At 2:56 at I noticed your center console has lot more information on it. Does it only show those data when you are in 4L? I have the extact vehicle 10 months old and never show that screen.
How does a locker send equal power? If you have poor traction on one wheel you cannot send more torque to it than the traction can hold. . Locker bias torque and have equal RPM. Since power is torque * RPM that means they bias power. . Open diffs leverage the opposite wheel thus no wheel can receive more torque. ie equal torque or lift a wheel and neither get any torque. But RPM isn’t constant so they don’t have equal power as well.
LX600 doesn't have to beef up tires. it's too nice to drive in the dirt. it's like a princess wearing a dress by a man. It is the most executive SUBMarine dirt rider on earth.
What happened at @15:48. Its clear that something happened with the suspension where there was suddenly much more articulation and it looked hydraulic. Did the AHC actually do something automatically for more flex?
Yeah, It looked like, the ACH shifted the fluid/pressure in order to get the tires to regain more traction/maintain more grip on the ground. Almost like reaching for something and extending your arm to be able to finally reach it.
I think what you meant to say, but Toyota wouldn't let you say it, is the ancient 4Runner is still the most capable but you need to know how to use the modes.
The Lexus is really good, but it is so Fing ugly. Really wish Toyota would just bring a Toyota badged short wheelbase land cruiser back to the states preferably a two row unit.
@@Moistnmeaty90 That's the main reason I got one, but charging $800 for a system that is only useful in very few lighting conditions is an absolute joke. There are times where I can't even see where the outline of the car is in the 360 view camera, I can't see what is going on next to the car. I wouldn't have minded paying $1200 or more if the system was actually useful. They were better off charging $800 for a higher quality front camera and rear camera without the side view cameras, instead they decided to make all the cameras potato quality. This was about cost cutting, not reliability.
All really nice vehicles but no one is going to spend $60-80k and risk scratching up the vehicles off road. Lol. Better off buying a few years older pre-owned to use off road.
If there is no Jeep or land rover does this even count? Jeeps are so good off-road that the on road experience is sacrificed. Land Rover almost rivals Jeep off road but may not be reliable enough to make it to the dirt lol. But both off road way better than Toyotas, not that Toyotas are bad by any other measure.
The trd off road would have been more comparable with kdss this didnt truly showcase any difference in 4wd the pro struggled because it didnt have kdss and the flex necessary to keep the tires on the ground the pro is for high speed mogul sand running off road is for rocks and slow mo stuff
The TRD Pro is not the best 4R for true off road for the reason you pointed out. For less money than the Pro you can upgrade the off-road and have a far superior machine for everything
"Four Wheel Drive All of the Time is really the Best" Which begs the Question why Toyota Removed it from the New Sequoia Since most folks drive more on dry (or wet) pavement rather than off road
@@jeffreysmith4304 Toyota's Chief Truck Engineer has stated in several interviews that there would have been no new Sequoia is drivetrains were not shared with the Tundra.
@@rightlanehog3151 Understood But my own (Totally Useless) Opinion is that Mom & Pop usual Large SUV buyer will rarely take the Sequoia off road But ALL of them will drive on Slippery road surfaces (Ice, snow, even rain) where Full time 4WD really can make a Difference
@@jeffreysmith4304 I wish the new Sequoia had retained the independent rear suspension, Torsen Center Differential, spacious third row and roll down rear window that made the last one so special. Time will tell if the compromises (and advancements) found in the new Sequoia will make it a success.
We did not have the Sequoia on the same day of this exact test. We had the Sequoia the next day, which was our day to film the review and the off-road test separate from this one. Toyota did not make one available for us to use in this specific video.
Let’s all appreciate Nick, who had to run around this course 3 times to get us those great camera angles.
He’s so underrated
It’s his job. He’s getting paid for it
@@zyzzuschrist3410 for the work underpaid but hanging with Ryan priceless
@@robervin9107 🤣
I mean it looks fun id do it multiple times
Glad you were able to attend, Ryan/Nick. As it showcases these systems, without having to go to a dealership. And, NOT only drive them back to back, but also having to find some sort of OR Course where the salesman/dealership won't mind.
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Ryan, Your focused comparison of these three Toyota 4WD systems as found on the 4Runner, Tundra and LX has demonstrated conclusively that the Toyota 4X4 we really want
is the Prado 😂 I hope some day you get to drive a genuine Land Cruiser with locking rear, center and front differentials. With those features you won't need to waste time
searching for the MTS buttons 🤩
Just get an XJ Jeep, over 20 years old and it will do all of the shown course blindfolded: nothing really "new" apart from the gadgets.
@@brunoterlingen2203 i've had 2 XJs, it's not even close to being as capable as a 4runner or landcruiser.
150 prado with rear locking diff or the new LC 300 GR :)
80 series has all of that and was sold in the US, no clue why they got rid of it.
@@KiyaWarrior Driving one over 70mph on the interstate for any length of time is why.
4Runner for the win. Cant stand the constant beeping the new drivetrains give you when off road. Plus with manual transfer case your know for sure it’s in 4wd
Not to mention the quick “on the fly” change in and out of 4wd. We own a trd off-road and the manual transfer case is awsome!
I absolutely love your long form content like this. I live in PA and don't really off-road, but I am looking for a big bulky "Dad car" since my wife and I are expecting a second. I also do a bit of traveling into gun ranges/camping/etc, so it'd be nice. I'm still gonna hold off and see what the next generation 4Runner looks like.
Just get the current gen. The new ones will be another $5-$10k more and most likely will have the turbo 4
@@davidr6865 I understand your perspective. I think that may be the route I go. I kinda want to wait and see. I like the simplicity of the current gen, but if its only a few k more for a considerable upgrade, that might be worth it. I just wish the current gen got a little better mpg.
@@markc9949 trust me the 5th gen will be the last true reliable 4Runner. Newer is not always better. I had a 2015 tacoma, traded for a 2022 tacoma because I got what I paid back in 2015 for my trade in value. I ended up getting rid of it after a year. I hated the new trans and engine. The 3.5 v6 was anemic and trans tuning was super sloppy. The 4.0 is a tank with the 5spd auto. Love my 22 4Runner, it feels like it’s built out a solid block of steel. Im never getting rid of it. It like a baby land cruiser
80 series landcruiser is king lol
Thank you for the videos you’re making. I haven’t seen a video with the 4Runner limited with full time 4wd compared to Lexus GX and land cruiser system. Are they the same? Maybe a future video? Thanks👍
The previous gen Lexus GX470, 4th gen 4Runner V8 full time 4WD, and 4th gen 4Runner V6 with 4WD selector to 4H pretty much function the same with an improved ATRAC over the 100 series LC/LX. The 120 series LC Prado platform have the torsen center differential whereas the 100 series LC platform has an open center differential. ATRAC is an iteration older on the 100 series. The manual FJ Cruiser 4WD is also full time 4WD and all FJ Cruiser 4WD's ATRAC is an improved version of the one on the 4th gen 4Runner/GX470.
The 150 series LC Prado platform, aka the 5th gen 4Runner and GX460 perform similar off road as well. The Limited trim 5th gen 4Runner get the full time 4WD with torsen center differential like the GX460, except the GX460 can be optioned with MTS and crawl control. 5th gen 4Runner Limited doesn't get the off-road goodies available in the GX460 thus forcing buyer to get the 4Runner TRD Offroad/TRD Pro. ATRAC is a newer iteration on the 5th gen 4Runner and GX460 over the 120 series platform. North American LC 200/LX570 all came with torsen center differential whereas previous 100 series LC had an open center differential similar to a 90 series LC Prado/3rd gen 4Runner.
The torsen center differential allow 60% power to rear and 40% power to front normally. If slip is detected, % power shifts away from the normal 60% rear/40% front ratio. Locking the center differential will lock the ratio to 50% front and 50% rear.
Selectable factory lockers (rear and/or front) are available in oversea models, but not an option for US models. Oversea LC300/LX600 can be optioned with selectable front, center, and rear lockers. Maybe Toyota suspect most hardcore 4WD buyers will use aftermarket lockers from ARB or Harrop in the North American market. We are definitely not their biggest market for Land Cruisers.
All that capability in the LX, and 99.9% of them will never even leave pavement.
Another great video very informative 👏 I geek out at this sorta info thank you now I just have gained more knowledge keep it up Ryan and crew
I am glad you gave a personal choice. Often it seems as if certain journalist channels(whom will go unmentioned here)are too afraid to be bias. I know you like the LX600 best, and maybe if I were to be daily driving on the highway on a regular basis, I would agree. However, the strength of the 4R TRD is where I lean towards because of the approach/departure angle. It is a shame that the front facing camera is just now an option. But as bad as you say it is, I am not going to trade up my 2018 just for that. An after market system would be cheaper and I still get all the great functionalities that have not changed since the 5th Gen. came out.
Ever since Lexus has gotten a version of a Toyota vehicle, the company feels obligated to give the more advanced systems to the Lexus and require the customer to pay a lot more. You can see from the comments, many people simply want a 4-Runner sized vehicle option with the front, center, and rear locking differentials with KDSS and not be force to buy many option packages to get the right 'bones'. This should not cost more than $55k in 2022 and not require an $80K+ Lexus to get this level of functionality.
I was unsure which one is the best. You made it cleared for me. Thanks a lot for the video.
Love my 18 4runner off-road premium....4runner all day
🇺🇸 I'll take the 4runner. Perfect size and been around since earth was created.
Do you have a video on all the modes in the 4runner- what each does and more specifically, what situations to use each one? I just got a 4runner and it’s all head exploding 🤯
If I spent $80,000.00+ on a vehicle, the only way it would go off road would be if I missed a turn.....
I bought the 4runner because its an old proven reliable dinosaur. Its still made the same way it was back in toyota's golden era, and I think people are still buying it in record numbers because of that
It's amazing how many car experts get this wrong. But an locked diff does not send the same amount of power to both sides it just locks wheel speed. Power is based on torque and torque is calculated based on friction or traction. So if both wheels are locked the wheel with the most traction produces more power
Ironically its an open diff that will always split torque 50/50%. The reason only one wheel spins is because only enough torque necessary to spin the wheel to redline is sent to both wheels and divided evenly. And thats not enough torque to turn the other wheel.
Engineering explained has many videos about this
It is an electronic locking differential not a mechanical one so it is not actually locking them together.
@@crusherman96 Your thinking of E-Diffs or Electronic limited slip/locking diffs. Which uses electronically controlled clutch packs on a mechanical differential to limit wheel slip. This uses an electronically controlled differential lock, although they are both electronically controlled they are different. This uses electronics to activate the mechanical differential lock
4runner suits well
2006 LX470 100 series. 2nd owner in June 2020 w/189K mi. Put on 51K mi since. Some normal repla ement items, oil, tires etc amd it still drives at 80-85% like new. Made the mistake of telling the wife it's nearly bullet proof. Won't be able to kill it to buy the 200 or 300 series LX. If that V6 holds up, I would want the LX600 and hope some does a front bumper. 🙃
I’d choose my 22’ GX460 again every time. I swapped out the stock wheels and tires for a nice set of wheels and BFG’s. I love this thing, long live the V8!
oh yes indeed!
Too bad you need premium fuel.
@@skoolynugenator1802 😢
@@skoolynugenator1802 Been using premium in all my cars for years. Nothing new
@@Bad_Rattle it’s an added cost I don’t want.
New land cruiser have an option 3 diff locks. We’d like to see that also. But not available in US.
I wish we could find the off road course in northern Washington where they’ve done a few vids like this. Great stuff 👍🤪🇨🇦
18:25 I'm sure you know this, but it doesn't matter if it's part-time or full-time 4WD, if they're dual speed (high and low range) then it has a transfer case. The LX600 has a dual speed transfer case with a lockable Torsen center differential.
It matters in many ways if its full time 4wd. Running only rear wheel has advantages.
@@michaeldbhawker3556 full time 4WD also has advantages, and in my opinion (and the vehicle manufacturers) full time is better than part time. G-Class, Land Cruiser, LX have full time 4WD, the marquee vehicles from each respective brand.
Exactly
@@michaeldbhawker3556 you missed the point. The video says only part time have transfercase but so does this. It’s just a full time transfer case.
@@AA-vr8ez generally speaking, part time 4x4 does better off road than full time.
That Lexus looks exactly like Kylo Ren's mask. The system you need is the one from the Lexus but with the Tundra's hybrid system to smooth out the wheel spin. Can you imagine a 4r with that? And the AHC as an option?
Excellent video!
Hmmm…. All-wheel drive is why I’m on my 3rd 5th Gen 4Runner Limited. Just wish I could have KDSS and front/rear lockers. I’d strongly consider the GX (V8 and KDSS) but I don’t like the grille and would greatly miss the roll-down rear window…
I wonder if a front locker is on the cards for the next generation.
I like simplicity of the interior of the 4 runner
Wish they’d add a factory front locker to the 4Runner.
4runner suits best
thanks for great overview of new off-road systems in toyota's SUVs
TRD PRO REVIEW ... GOOD JOB !
You did a great job simplifying the differences between the systems and their use.
Lexus LX 600: Besides the hideous looks the complete failure of the dash was wild. It looks like they glued a Switch Lite to the top.
I will take 4runner basic for durability & liability.
Hybrid not so much for off road for long term used.
Manual levers and ceiling-mounted knobs >>> console-mounted push buttons. That's just facts.
No comments about the tire type or wheel size of the Lexus LX?
I have a 2022 ORP but it doesn't have the 360 camera , really wish that was standard on ORP and pro models
Can't wait to see 2024 GX
4runner all day, true offroaders could care less about having the latest tech garbage.
Nice! I think I'll keep my thousand dollar lx450, cheap to repair and work on myself and not crazy parts and computers everywhere, plus don't feel bad about scratching it up as if it was 80k lol
The 300 series platform is the most well built and offroad capable of the bunch. It just gets nerfed here with its LEXUS adornments. Give the aftermarket some time and we'll be seeing some stuff to actually let you wheel it, just like the 300 in Oz.
Love you nick and Ryan.
Better to get the 5th Gen 4Runner while you can. Made in Japan, proven reliability, significantly less maintenance required. Going into the upcoming zombie apocalypse, it’s the easy choice.
I love my 2022. It’s a tank
It's coming....Z
I REALLY WISH YOU DID AN OFF ROAD TEST WITH THE 2022 MITSUBISHI OUTLANDER
GX460 is always the answer. Short Wheelbase Landcruiser... literally ❤️
With its even shorter wheelbase, the 2 door Prado is the real answer. 😁
@@rightlanehog3151 that would be nice 😃
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD I am anxiously waiting to see whether the 2 door will continue to exist when the new Prado makes it debut .
So, the LX600 is preferred due to it Full-time 4WD system. Same system as the GX460!! LX600 has the advantage with ground clearance - but - same 4WD system as GX460.
Not sure if lots of people know that the 4Runner Limited is full-time 4WD. Bought it for that. I live in WA State.
Put 18 inch rims on the LX600 with 285/65r18 Toyo AT3 and try again.
:-)
The land cruiser is very durable n functional. A Dakar Rally Racer capability, the UN expeditions vehicles, n the often used in the war zone. The Lexus version is a luxury version to counter Land Rover n Mercedes G.
Hey Ryan. The rumor is Toyota will bring Land Cruiser Prado to US in 2024. That means Lexus LX like AWD system in a much cheaper package. Sounds like the best choice for a everyday off-roader. Don’t you agree?
The 4Runner limited have a similar full time 4wd for a lot cheaper than the lexus. Wish they will keep it it the next gen.
How do you think the Maverick Tremor would handle a course like this?
Why did you get rid of the 2021 4runner TRD off-road?
Time marches on.
I want to know as well! I was so bummed when he sold the 4Runner. It was going to be the benchmark vehicle for offroad tests. Now he's got these crap Fords. Still the best car channel on RUclips, so I'll watch but I miss the 4Runner
rear diff lock does not give equal power to each wheel, the opposite, same speed but almost all the torque to the wheel with most traction, so more power to that wheel. also, center diff lock, mean the exact opposite of 50-50torque split. Thats what an open diff does.
The 4Runner works for me.
It’s a proven power train and off road prowess.
That 5 speed has got to go
And the LX and Tundra aren't proven? Lol they're on the Land Cruiser platform. If anything their credibility is higher than the 4Runner.
@@crusherman96 took a new tundra with the 3.4L turbos no hybrid out for a test drive. The turbo lag is extreme. I own a 5.7. I like it better
@@crusherman96 Turbo’s won’t last as long as a naturally aspirated engine. And I refuse to pay the kind of money for an LX only bc at the end of the day it’s still a Toyota.
Don’t get me wrong, my mother is on her 2nd Lexus and at 81 years old she deserves it
@@davedavid0 I agree with that. When Toyota changes the 4Runner, I’m sure they’ll redo the entire vehicle
The next 4Runner/Tacoma might have a 2.7 or 3l turbo engine with hybrid system coupled to it I guess!!!
Also it's not not an auto diff, it's not even that technologically advanced. It's just a mechanical torsen limited-slip differential. The kind of thing that's been around for decades. So it probably doesn't even cost as much as you think
Ryan - please add few seconds silence at the beginning.. you are talking right away from start.
Very instructional as always. Can’t wait for the next gen 4Runner. An anticipated hybrid drive will be a game changer. Let’s hope they adopt a commensurate transmission.
it would be nice if you have GX in this game.
I am currently in the market stuck between a TRD Limited Tundra or RAM Rebel and noticed that the Rebel is one of the big off road names you have not reviewed. Is there a reason behind that?
The Lexus center diff is Torsen, no? Why do you not call it this?
7:35, you're wrong, it shifted power to other wheels and you Decided to press the brakes which basically disables it......
@18:05 I hate nick pitts, but the Lexus also has a transfer case. it just has a center differential in the transfer case.
im looking to buy an old GX 470 and fix it up.
Too bad Toyota jumped on the undersized turbo engine band wagon. They lost any further sales from me for new Tundras...guess I'll be going with a Nissan Titan.
The life expectancy of the v6 duel turbo engine is going to be much less than the V8s
@@Rainy_Day12234 It certainly will be, and people don't get it...but most people today out buying new stuff don't keep stuff long enough to know or care.
Nissan is discontinuing the Titan for a reason.
@@ThirdBrainLives LOL.
Hey. At 2:56 at I noticed your center console has lot more information on it. Does it only show those data when you are in 4L? I have the extact vehicle 10 months old and never show that screen.
I do believe you have to be in 4L to get the trail camera screen.
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I love Toyota!!
How does a locker send equal power? If you have poor traction on one wheel you cannot send more torque to it than the traction can hold.
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Locker bias torque and have equal RPM. Since power is torque * RPM that means they bias power.
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Open diffs leverage the opposite wheel thus no wheel can receive more torque. ie equal torque or lift a wheel and neither get any torque. But RPM isn’t constant so they don’t have equal power as well.
4Runner will outlast the other two. Toyota is about to kill its reliability reputation when the 4Runner changes.
Thats why im waiting to even consider a new model 4runner for at least 3 years after it debuts.
Make avedio abaot ford f 150 raptor vs toyota tacoma
Toyota... Legendary.
LX600 doesn't have to beef up tires. it's too nice to drive in the dirt. it's like a princess wearing a dress by a man. It is the most executive SUBMarine dirt rider on earth.
can you do all that with just ATrac?
The 4Runner has A-Trac. Would been interesting to see that used before the rear locker.
MTS is a fine-tuned version of ATRAC.
@@drivingsports It should still be used before the locker.
@@michaeldbhawker3556 Watch the video again. He used it and the 4runner couldn't make it up the rock climb. He had to lock the rear wheel.
Wish you guys had the Mighty Nissan Patrol!
Likewise
Which one has the best mpg?
The one that’s parked.
I’d have been in 4hi the whole time
If only the next gen 4Runner gets hybrid powertrain from Tundra and KDSS suspension from LX..
You can get a current 4runner with KDSS in TRD off Road trim
No nee d locker use A-Track should work fine
ATRAC is awesome!
What happened at @15:48. Its clear that something happened with the suspension where there was suddenly much more articulation and it looked hydraulic. Did the AHC actually do something automatically for more flex?
Yeah, It looked like, the ACH shifted the fluid/pressure in order to get the tires to regain more traction/maintain more grip on the ground. Almost like reaching for something and extending your arm to be able to finally reach it.
I thought it stopped giving power to that lifted wheel and transferred all power to the two that had.
No KDSS on the 4Runner?
Not available on TRD PRO.
I think what you meant to say, but Toyota wouldn't let you say it, is the ancient 4Runner is still the most capable but you need to know how to use the modes.
The Lexus is really good, but it is so Fing ugly. Really wish Toyota would just bring a Toyota badged short wheelbase land cruiser back to the states preferably a two row unit.
4runners need to be updated.
The camera quality in my 2022 4Runner is worst than that of my 2016 base model Civic LX.
That’s one of the reasons I love it so much. Basic. Capable. Reliable.
Sorry, which pixels is the boulder? lol
@@Moistnmeaty90 That's the main reason I got one, but charging $800 for a system that is only useful in very few lighting conditions is an absolute joke.
There are times where I can't even see where the outline of the car is in the 360 view camera, I can't see what is going on next to the car. I wouldn't have minded paying $1200 or more if the system was actually useful.
They were better off charging $800 for a higher quality front camera and rear camera without the side view cameras, instead they decided to make all the cameras potato quality. This was about cost cutting, not reliability.
Will Toyota fix the Tacoma trans. for 2023?
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The LX needs better tires.
Its a street queen, so street tires are to be expected on them.
@@wildbill23c understood but it’s a true off-roader and can tackle all conditions with the proper tires.
All really nice vehicles but no one is going to spend $60-80k and risk scratching up the vehicles off road. Lol. Better off buying a few years older pre-owned to use off road.
i prefer full time 4wd
lx the most capable but least utilized
If there is no Jeep or land rover does this even count? Jeeps are so good off-road that the on road experience is sacrificed. Land Rover almost rivals Jeep off road but may not be reliable enough to make it to the dirt lol. But both off road way better than Toyotas, not that Toyotas are bad by any other measure.
4Runner is a better vehicle and will last 5x longer. No brainer…
The trd off road would have been more comparable with kdss this didnt truly showcase any difference in 4wd the pro struggled because it didnt have kdss and the flex necessary to keep the tires on the ground the pro is for high speed mogul sand running off road is for rocks and slow mo stuff
The TRD Pro is not the best 4R for true off road for the reason you pointed out. For less money than the Pro you can upgrade the off-road and have a far superior machine for everything
Is that a Lumix with a fold out screen or an attached mini screen???
"Four Wheel Drive All of the Time is really the Best"
Which begs the Question why Toyota Removed it from the New Sequoia
Since most folks drive more on dry (or wet) pavement rather than off road
Cost most likely.
@@drivingsports
The "Bean Counters" Win Again
@@jeffreysmith4304 Toyota's Chief Truck Engineer has stated in several interviews that there would have been no new Sequoia is drivetrains were not shared with the Tundra.
@@rightlanehog3151
Understood
But my own (Totally Useless) Opinion
is that Mom & Pop usual Large SUV buyer
will rarely take the Sequoia off road
But ALL of them will drive on Slippery road surfaces (Ice, snow, even rain) where Full time 4WD really can make a Difference
@@jeffreysmith4304 I wish the new Sequoia had retained the independent rear suspension, Torsen Center Differential, spacious third row and roll down rear window that made the last one so special. Time will tell if the compromises (and advancements) found in the new Sequoia will make it a success.
Gotta get an FJ cruiser in the mix!
He said no Sequoia. Yet there is a Sequoia @9:06
We did not have the Sequoia on the same day of this exact test. We had the Sequoia the next day, which was our day to film the review and the off-road test separate from this one. Toyota did not make one available for us to use in this specific video.
It is sad that you literally reach for MTS immediately in every one of your 4Runner review videos...
Because in every video we try to test all the features. And, yes, it's a feature.
this is the best hard core 4 runner built out of japan. its tough as a nail and will last you 20 years.
Did you sell your 4runner?
Yeah he did. He is driving a Ford Ranger now as a test vehicle.
@@Feintgames damn what a shame
Old news.
Who the hell wants to hit a button or turn a knob with each new obstacle off road?