It also helps negate a situation where someone/multiple people get stuck and do nothing for an entire challenge, which you might get if you let people do it solo
Honestly that whole talk on "potential" really shows what a visionary you are and why GG is so successful. People think it's scripted because of all the content "landmines" you sprinkle throughout the show. While there are some that dont pay off, when they do its so hype.
I think Faux being a disloyal Farmer was actually a really fun element of this season. It was like a microcosm of the dynamics of the whole cast, where you could contrast Mammal's presumption of loyalty with Faux's complete disinterest in being a "team player", even if it never actually came to a head. And of course Roidie ended up benefiting the most from that dynamic by just keeping his head down and not getting involved.
I don’t think he was actually disloyal. Why do you think he purposefully threw the challenge? It was to help his friends. He just had to reinforce that he was solo to everyone so his enemies think so. Mammal blew cover hard. He should’ve faked it or Faux should’ve told Mammal in the DMs the cut it out because they became a target immediately after the pkers were gone after Mammal said he wouldn’t vote for a farmer.
@@StNicolausVI I wouldn't assume Faux even knew about what Mammal said in the tribunal. As far as I could tell, tribunal calls were private to the tribunal and show staff. Everything else I'm taking from confessionals, which again are private to the player and show staff.
@@gazeboist4535there was a later tribunal with both Mammal and Faux, where Mammal said he and Faux wouldn't put a farmer in, and Faux very pointedly said he wasn't taking part in alliances, I think it was episode 5 or 6. I don't think that was entirely factual, but it was a part of that particular edit
Something I would LOVE to see in the editing of season 5 would be showing where people are on a small world map. Having a better sense of where everyone is would help a lot I think.
9:00 If you end up doing team money making again, an interesting twist would be if any players do the same method it doesn't count. So Team A player does chins, if anyone from Team B does chins they're both invalid. Would force teams to find really wild ways to make money without having a laundry list of rules for the challenge.
Nah, the best strategy would still be to just do the laundry list of best money makers. If the other team does it, you get to invalidate one of their best money makers. If the other team doesn’t do it, you get one of the best money makers.
I like the idea, but I'm not sure it's 100% practical. What if 2 people do the same method to build some starter cash to go for a bigger better method? Would just the cash from the starter method be negated? Would both players total cash be negated? Many open questions for something like that
Settled did an escape room utilizing group iron man mechanics, could be interesting for a team challenge. They're in a group call, need to get certain items in a specific order for each account to escape. Glitch can hook it up I'm sure. Seems perfect for like 8 people left in the competition, 4 on each team, doing the same challenge.
The editing style of keeping the teams footage grouped together was very good for this. It made following along easy and let the investment in the team you were cheering for ramp up while watching them and had the nervousness build when they were off screen to amplify it.
While I've no doubt you could pull of an escape room challenge, the fact that it was an elimination really amped up the pressure. Loved seeing Hooti and Dino just absolutely stressed out about trying to solve it as fast as possible while having absolutely no clue what's going on
I think an easy way to make the teams more distinct in terms of footage, is to just color-code their names. Purple in solo challenges, and something like red and blue for team challenges.
Next season should have an “escape” challenge. Three part challenge. First is a timed escape room. Second they start somewhere deep in Morytania and have to escape the region. Third they start in deep wilderness and have to escape the region, but there are several PKers spread out at certain points trying to stop them. Three similarly themed escape challenges that test different skill sets. Highest cumulative score/rank wins the overall challenge.
Money making challenge, 2 teams (larger ones), but after gold is collected each player can ban money making of another team (and make them remove their gold from team stack). So each team would need to choose money making that other team players might not think so their collected gold would not be removed. This would make them force to make strange money making ways. Just an idea. Might be awful, dunno, you can see it from many more angles that me
My suggestion for Season 5 is to have Soup continue to be an amazing host. He's really knocked it out of the park in all of the prior seasons, and I really hope he sticks around for future seasons.
I loved the escape room, thought it was fun to piece it together. No disrespect to the competitors, but it's just unfortunate it ended up with two guys not really into those kinds puzzles, but it is what it is.
So glad that this series is continuing! Been watching the last season and it popped into my head about this Behind the scenes! Keep it up soup! You rock
A thing you could throw into an early round is something to the effect of the more of a veteran you are, the amount of seasons you've been in, the steeper the challenge is whether that's additional "debuffs" or something like an escalated sabotage that is worse the more seasons you've been on. Something to level out the playing field for newer competitors in the first episode or two could really shake up who gets to the end.
Not sure of the logistics, but I think a Pro/Am style Gielinor Games would be kind of sick. Like, each participant has a partner who is a casual player. Could be a interesting dynamic, even just for a single challenge.
He's said in some of the Q&As that he didn't see this going well, as he thinks being a full time content creator is what allows them all the time needed to film. At least I think that was the conclusion, its been a minute.
Soup has talked about how it’s not possible to do amateurs. Too hard to enforce good streaming equipment, scheduling, and they just may not be entertaining on a mic.
Loved the escape room elimination, and I agree that it would make an amazing challenge. Would be a bit less frustrating for the players when losing at it doesn't mean being eliminated from GG. You could even do some kind of team escape room where different people have different hints or parts of the puzzle needed to win.
Here's an idea for a challenge that might accommodate something like an escape room or PK tests where skills are likely to be more uneven: Runescape Relay. Basically, set up something like the mini challenges that you used later in the season and for the finale, but do it as a big- or medium-team challenge, where each team needs to assign a single player to a single competitive task, and then total up a team score at the end. You could even get a little more out of it by having captains draft their teams before telling them what the challenges will be, though that might take too much time. edit: Oh, yeah, a GIM escape room is actually an amazing idea. There's a ton of potential for something that would be way too complicated for one person to do or figure out, maybe even something with multiple paths to escape?
An interesting money making challenge could be "Picking Pennies": 1) each item can only be sold once, for stackables only a single one, items like pyramid top can only be used once. 2) items can't be acquired by monster drops 3) ge can only be used to sell items, shops are unaffected. Essentially a challenge that forces each contestant to figure out the most gp item spawns or creation methods in a limited time. Instead of one guy for 40 mins doing the same method, we see how many different methods they can do
Yes! Please bring back the escape room! It was really exciting to watch and I had a lot of fun trying to figure it out along with the contestants. I would love to see this as a whole challenge in season 5
There needs to be an escape room as a main challenge. I bet someone out there could make a creative team escape room challenge. Or it could be a free for all. Either way, it would be super fun to watch.
An interesting idea for an escape room challenge, is players being in a teams of two, and theyre both in different areas and progressing in one gives clues for the other.
What about the mechanic carrying on with the person in the banning continuing to choose who they go against, but instead the person chosen gets to choose from a pool of challenges which gets smaller as the season goes along? Might make it even more chaotic?
Hey Stefan, when you were talking about the big team vs big team aspect, specifically how the formation of the teams took place and the controversy of whether you influenced the show or not, it made me think of a show I watched recently. They had an interesting way of forming two big teams from a large group of contenders. A previous challenge had led to 2 individuals being selected. Those 2 individuals then formed a team each and took turns selecting a contender to join the OTHER team, until every contender was picked. This way you don’t have the “was picked last at PE” form of bullying or the “I will pick my friends for my own team”. Each of the two players will pick contenders for the other team they think would benefit their team the least. I thought it was a great way of doing this, creative and refreshing. Just wanted to let you know should you need it for the next season, which I can’t wait to be released!
A fun rule could be you can do any money making method you want but if another player does the same method any money earned through that method doesn't count
Repeating my favorite team challenge suggestion I saw on another video! Teams elect a person to be their PVP captain, then the first part of the challenge is gathering equipment for them to use. In restricted time, ironman/GE or not, region restriction, etc. you could do a lot. I know you struggle with PVP being digestible to an unfamiliar audience, but you could use the confessionals to have people explain why they used their limited time/gp to go for a specific item. Kind of onboards the audience to the fight organically rather than throwing them into a tribrid whoknowswhat free for all.
Absolutely. Maybe do it in phases, where each team bans/claims a region, then after ten minutes they ban/claim another, then at like 20 minutes everyone gathers for the final challenge. Not sure what the ideal timing structure would be. Speaking of having people explain decision-making for PvP, this is an area where I think bringing back eliminated contestants as commentators could really help. It could be useful for anything, but it'd be especially good for PvP, where high-level play is both hard to parse for the uninitiated, and likely to get a truly skilled player eliminated early in the season.
I really liked the escape room, I think as an elimination for later in the game when the competitors left are the few who have scrapped their way through everything to get there.
For season 5 are there any plans to bring back eliminated contestants for a challenge later in the series? Maybe a multi team challenge where everyone still in, are team captains and draft a team from everyone who got eliminated. Could be a cool finalle. Another idea is to have eliminated contestants somehow able to interfere with the challenge, would just need to anonymize the players to make sure there's no bias. Basically I just wanted to see more of people who got eliminated early! Like Skillspecs :(
I think it has potential as a double elimination - two teams of two would give great conversation and players talking it over with each other would lower the chances of them getting stuck. I also like the idea of an escape room challenge instead of elimination.
I think next GG a castle wars challenge would be good but the winning team has to win by two clear captures so one team doesn’t sit back when they go 1-0 up. Having the designated roles and areas worked well
I think an interesting twist for the gp challenge would be to have the second place earner win. So if you earn the most, you lose the most points that round or something to that effect. Everyone always goes so hard with their money making, but what if they weren't fighting for 1st place?
I think both players dying to poison was a dodged bullet. If one player thought of the stall and the other didn't, you end up having to cut together a story of someone sitting in a menu puzzling things out while the other is out of the picture entirely.
We saw with the amulet of choice people ended up deviating away from sabotage aince the impact wasnt as large until the groups got smaller to be worth painting a target in your back. Also people never ended up picking the immunity option. Is that along how you expected things ro play out? Do you have plans to change it if you were to do it differently?
One thing that would help me out as a watcher is adding a photo headshot of the players (if they are typically on camera in their own content), their signature icon or what they are know for under their name (like Swampletics/Tileman for Settled) while they are doing the confessionals or shown on screen. I know a lot of these players but it can be hard to recognize whos who when you don't see them like you normally, then also trying to learn new players you aren't familiar with and trying to follow each persons thoughts and adventure through the game can be a bit challenging/confusing. Hope that makes sense
Goofy idea for eliminations - could you give one of the selected players the chance to choose their challenge? Of course not telling them all the challenges, but give them a list obscured by themes (Lost City might be an item hunt, Dragon Slayer might be a PvE challenge, etc.)
Not gonna lie, for team challenges like this, you could of easily colored the "box" with each players name different colors. Theres a reason gameshows have people wear like red/blue jerseys to show visually. I think it works here too
This episode is what got me hooked on GG. Unironically the best game show I have ever watched. You and Allie did such a great job editing each episode, as a viewer I always felt like I knew what was going on concurrently. Big kudos to that and I’m so happy to see how successful season 4 was. I got a few GG challenge ideas, mostly twists on the regular money maker. First: Fe Shopping Spree Each member starts with an assortment or random items in their inventory and has to find the right store in the game to sell them too. There are some pretty obscure items you can find. Second: Wildy Rush, each team competes for the most cash BUT players must all remain on the same world and can only make money from items obtained in the wilderness. Would be interesting to see in a large team with an assortment of different content creators. Do they team together and kill or assign body guards or do some obscure method?? Could be fun. Third: Mini Madness, players can only make money from minigames. I loved the Raid-based challenges from last season and I would love to see more minigames being included in GG. Finally, I wanna recc Alien Food, limPwurt, and JoshIsntGaming . Wanna see my chunkmen up there. Also trying to pull some non RS creators like penguinz would be sick
I know you already probably started the next season, but as a new player to osrs I think a cool idea would be a season where veterans are paired with new players kind of like sponsors and they tech them what they know and help them out to win challenges.
I agree with most of the points you made about the escape room... if it was the main challenge of an episode. with more people challenging it, it would've truly been an exciting challenge as we watch people tackle it in different ways and people actually think enough to use menus to stall poison. I really felt like there was so many hypothetical aspects that sounds exciting in the writing room, except all of it together caused dino to shut down and basically give up making it one of the most anticlimactic elimination challenges we've seen on GG. If possible it'd be great if you could address the severe lack of pvp main challenges until the most prominent pvp players got eliminated. It's odd to invite so many and never give them a chance to shine. You even noticed they were getting singled out for elimination but still decided to hold off on pvp challenges until they're all gone.
A moneymaking-esque challenge where the pvp'ers skills are more relevant would be cool. Like they could go into 'debt' for gear they have to risk or something.
With leagues winding down I thought a fun idea for the money-making challenge would be to region lock it. Maybe have it be big team vs big team again, but each member has a specific area they have to make money in(aside from ring of wealth tele to GE). You could even make it so the teams have to randomize the regions each player gets so someone like Settled doesn't just auto-pick Morytania as his region. I feel like putting these high end players out of their element is a big pull from a viewing standpoint. Even more so if communication is limited so everyone is required to pull their own weight with coming up with their money making strategy for an unfamiliar area as opposed to one player who is more familiar with the areas coaching their team through everything. Sorry if there's a better place to send you GG ideas. I don't Discord really and figured this was the next best option. 💜
Loved the escape room idea. I agree the poison was a nice touch to add chaos. I think maybe more hp like 20 could have made it more sustainable. I wonder how max hp with venom would've played out lol. Can't wait for the next season! Great work soup!
Big team challenges where half the cast wins immunity are always a good twist, I think the tribunal also really complements having lots of small teams. Like 4 teams with 16 left or 3 teams with 15. Most weeks had very little consequence for coming last this season. I think you’d get a lot of interesting situations where a tribunal of the top team has to pick someone from the last place team, who can then select their opponent like usual. You get a lot more possible disagreements on the tribunal, choosing between so few people, and maybe some interesting strategies develop! While being on top is still the only guaranteed safe seat.
IDK how you bring it back but I would love for you to bring back the Escape Room in some way. After they started I paused it and tried to figure out the method myself. I figured out Barbarian Firemaking for the torch and that sack was the pin, but got stumped on how to get money for a vial even after I let it run a bit and they looked at their quests.
just a random idea - what if going into a future GG team challenge the winner of the previous challenge get to choose either to select their teammate(s) and all the other teams will be randomized, or they get a random teammate(s) and get to assign the rest of the teams
Hey soup! I think it'd be a fun idea next season for money making to be like scategories where teams pick a money making idea but if someone on the opposite team picks the same money making as someone on the opposing team they both don't count
35:56 So it's not figuring out the entire thing with the menu open, you only need to figure out how to get a vial. You open an interface to stall the poison and figure out how you get a vial, since you can see very quickly you have water, marrentil, unicorn horn, pestle and mortar. While stalled you can take some time to breathe, look in your quest log, pirates treasure? completed up to the last step, the last step being to dig in falador, that gives you cash for a plant cure, empty it to get a vial, and make an anti poison.
I did like the idea that they were poisoned for the escape room challenge, but getting chunked for 4 each time made the timer too short. If you could have somehow tweaked so they were getting hit 1s, it might have worked a little better.
You just reminded me of GG, now I will go rewatch season four. Truly a brilliant tactic there SoupeRS. How much of the alliances are you aware of during the filming? Were you aware of the Solonanigans in season two/three or was it as much of a surprise to you as to others?
Thank you and your hard-working crew as always for your hard work! I like seeing money maker challenges! I would say a potential "balancer" would be that two players using the same method would actually *lose* points for their team (applies to members of the same team), and/or a new method needs to be chosen after half the time has passed. (Similar to a comment that mentioned that two players using the same method should negate each other) I also enjoyed watching the escape room elimination! I hope to see a return because it's something that most people can play along with (I've never played rs but still enjoyed watching). As for throwing games, I have mixed feelings about it. I appreciate the strategical element of it but am concerned that participants will suspect players who are having a bad day/just not doing well of intentionally sabotaging the challenge. It really sucks for both parties and can be a mood-killer and source of tension. Happy new year Soup and the GG crew, thank you all for the amazing content:)
Regarding the order of announcing the votes from the tribunal, isnit selected at random or is there some kind of decision process there? I guess we will learn more about it later on when we get to SoloMission's vote
I think a good idea for a challenge would be to do money making challenge but if you do the same method as somebody else, the amount you made is cut in half. I bet it would make some creative ideas come out or you get to see who gambles and does the better methods
I feel like the escape rooms have the downside of being extremely more difficult for some than others and could easily lead to super one sided outcomes. I want to see them again in the future, but I think it would be better to have the person doing the escape have one or two people helping them out in order to avoid that. The escape room would have to be longer and more convoluted as a result but I think it would make it more interesting to watch that way.
Have you ever thought of doing an ironman or hardcore ironman gilneor themed season? think it could be a cool idea adding the hardcore concept to it. You have to also not get self eliminated, gives it a squid game vibe. Would love to see it.
I think if there is another escape room, it should be saved for later in the season where a smaller pool of the most seasoned players remain. The escape room was really exciting, especially with the poison, but it was disappointing to see Dino go down in that fashion and not have any competition personally. Edit: I think it should remain an elimination
Feedback: Throwing strategically is awesome, throwing for the laugh is not (like boaty has done). Also escape room as an early challenge so you can see lots of perspectives would be excellent
i think this episode is really good... if you watch it in reverse order. Dino struggling with the escape room left off on a pretty anti-climatic and with the poisoned attempt on top of it was a double whammy. The money making challenge was chef's kiss. Settled overcoming the sabotage and faux throwing was peak not to mention everyone else just kinda having fun with it. I think it wouldn't have been as bad if it you just cut out the poisoned attempt. I think the failed attempt gave a bad taste to the second attempt and changed from dino's mismatch of skills to the challenge having a sense on unfairness to it.
I think an escape room challenge would be hype much later in the season. More pressure, more built up. This early it did feel like a little bit of a waste or lost a bit of epicness something like this would have. If a season is going to have 12 episodes, putting it in episode 8-10 would feel about right. I also absolutely want to have a team escape room either ironman style or where a team is all on coms together and they each have to do a leg of the escape room.
its so weird because, the difference between pvm/pking/game knowledge is so extreme its almost as if they're all completely different games in terms of whats needed during challenges. very hard to balance, and make exciting for challenges. because a master pvmer will always win a straight honest pvm challenge and a pker will always win a pking challenge probably no matter the twist on it. game knowledge is so random, everyone has different experiences with this game and some people will remember a bunch of little things about it that even veteran players of 20 years might not even know its crazy.
I had never heard of GG before and found S3 on my recommendations. I also only knew a handful of the creators in the show. I ended up watching all of S3 and enjoyed it and went back and watched S2 then S1 and then S4 shortly after. Its very well made, good entertainment and you can see how much effort goes into it. On the escape room challenge potential, could you do a team based escape room where either: all members are locked in the same area, but each member is given an account with different stats and items and each account has a specific role to play in the escape room? (Would take alot of work getting the accounts made though i imagine) Or each player (or maybe in pairs) is locked in a different area and have to escape their area and give something from their area to the next person so they can escape? They'd have to communicate with each other and work out their escapes before leaving their area and bringing the necessary items with them. (This idea could then be done on their normal accounts and wouldn't require special accounts made just for the escape room). Don't know if I explained the ideas well or if they'd work as an episode or potential banning just an idea I thought of whilst watching this.
I loved the escape room! I definitely couldn't figure them out cause I'm stoopid but had a fun time watching it. Season 4 really knocked it out of the park and can't wait to see what you got scheming for season 5.
I kind of hope in the next GG you have the concept of champions where even though you're in the banning, you can ask someone to participate in your place (with their permission), that way rookie bannings aren't a thing as someone like b0aty would defend them, it might make drama as people could forsake them when they ask the question, and you could give the reward of winning the banning to the champion, so there's an incentive for people to defend their friends.
@foxlery there's loads of ways to spin it I was just posting the original idea, soup will know how to weave it in if he likes the idea it was just something I thought of.
I liked the idea of an escape room, but I don't think they work well for eliminations. Perhaps it would be better suited for a team challenge? Perhaps not 2 big teams, but teams of 2-3 where one person's screen sharing the room to the other(s) and they have to put their brains together to solve it.
I do think the poison was OP, but at least now I understand the decision and agree with it. Probably a compromise by just giving them more hp (or more food somehow like 10 purple sweets or something) would have been pretty great. Dino dying without eating at all was kind of a shame.
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i almost forgot these were being made
gotta keep you on your toes
Literally said that out loud when I saw the video title
@@IAmSouper At this rate we'll be done with season 5 before we see the episode review of the finale lol
So did Soup
Bro remembered his password
Nice cut to Solo when you said backstabbing at1:57
I see you, Soup.
What could be unique is a group ironman escape room where you need to find the pieces in different locations and even figure out who needs to get out.
Agreed - I was just thinking that GIM is perfect for a team escape room challenge
It also helps negate a situation where someone/multiple people get stuck and do nothing for an entire challenge, which you might get if you let people do it solo
Honestly that whole talk on "potential" really shows what a visionary you are and why GG is so successful. People think it's scripted because of all the content "landmines" you sprinkle throughout the show. While there are some that dont pay off, when they do its so hype.
I think Faux being a disloyal Farmer was actually a really fun element of this season. It was like a microcosm of the dynamics of the whole cast, where you could contrast Mammal's presumption of loyalty with Faux's complete disinterest in being a "team player", even if it never actually came to a head. And of course Roidie ended up benefiting the most from that dynamic by just keeping his head down and not getting involved.
I don’t think he was actually disloyal. Why do you think he purposefully threw the challenge? It was to help his friends. He just had to reinforce that he was solo to everyone so his enemies think so. Mammal blew cover hard. He should’ve faked it or Faux should’ve told Mammal in the DMs the cut it out because they became a target immediately after the pkers were gone after Mammal said he wouldn’t vote for a farmer.
@@StNicolausVI I wouldn't assume Faux even knew about what Mammal said in the tribunal. As far as I could tell, tribunal calls were private to the tribunal and show staff. Everything else I'm taking from confessionals, which again are private to the player and show staff.
@@gazeboist4535there was a later tribunal with both Mammal and Faux, where Mammal said he and Faux wouldn't put a farmer in, and Faux very pointedly said he wasn't taking part in alliances, I think it was episode 5 or 6.
I don't think that was entirely factual, but it was a part of that particular edit
Something I would LOVE to see in the editing of season 5 would be showing where people are on a small world map. Having a better sense of where everyone is would help a lot I think.
you mean, constantly on a minimap? he already does short "heres where everyone is" cutaways on mapwide challenges or races
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If you end up doing team money making again, an interesting twist would be if any players do the same method it doesn't count.
So Team A player does chins, if anyone from Team B does chins they're both invalid.
Would force teams to find really wild ways to make money without having a laundry list of rules for the challenge.
Nah, the best strategy would still be to just do the laundry list of best money makers.
If the other team does it, you get to invalidate one of their best money makers.
If the other team doesn’t do it, you get one of the best money makers.
I was going to suggest this but instead say that duplicate methods should count as money loss.
@@-ZH Perhaps still on the right track, some sort of creative rule or method could be used to keep things unique and a little bit crazy.
I like the idea, but I'm not sure it's 100% practical. What if 2 people do the same method to build some starter cash to go for a bigger better method? Would just the cash from the starter method be negated? Would both players total cash be negated? Many open questions for something like that
Honestly this is my favorite episode. Seeing everybody use different ways to make money. And then Faux’s sabotage was a cherry on top.
Settled did an escape room utilizing group iron man mechanics, could be interesting for a team challenge. They're in a group call, need to get certain items in a specific order for each account to escape. Glitch can hook it up I'm sure. Seems perfect for like 8 people left in the competition, 4 on each team, doing the same challenge.
The editing style of keeping the teams footage grouped together was very good for this. It made following along easy and let the investment in the team you were cheering for ramp up while watching them and had the nervousness build when they were off screen to amplify it.
While I've no doubt you could pull of an escape room challenge, the fact that it was an elimination really amped up the pressure. Loved seeing Hooti and Dino just absolutely stressed out about trying to solve it as fast as possible while having absolutely no clue what's going on
Making everyone do the Piscarilius thieving method would be the same level of carnage
I think an easy way to make the teams more distinct in terms of footage, is to just color-code their names. Purple in solo challenges, and something like red and blue for team challenges.
Next season should have an “escape” challenge. Three part challenge. First is a timed escape room. Second they start somewhere deep in Morytania and have to escape the region. Third they start in deep wilderness and have to escape the region, but there are several PKers spread out at certain points trying to stop them. Three similarly themed escape challenges that test different skill sets. Highest cumulative score/rank wins the overall challenge.
Money making challenge, 2 teams (larger ones), but after gold is collected each player can ban money making of another team (and make them remove their gold from team stack). So each team would need to choose money making that other team players might not think so their collected gold would not be removed. This would make them force to make strange money making ways. Just an idea. Might be awful, dunno, you can see it from many more angles that me
My suggestion for Season 5 is to have Soup continue to be an amazing host. He's really knocked it out of the park in all of the prior seasons, and I really hope he sticks around for future seasons.
Love these review videos! Keep it up Soup love you
I loved the escape room, thought it was fun to piece it together. No disrespect to the competitors, but it's just unfortunate it ended up with two guys not really into those kinds puzzles, but it is what it is.
So glad that this series is continuing! Been watching the last season and it popped into my head about this Behind the scenes!
Keep it up soup! You rock
A thing you could throw into an early round is something to the effect of the more of a veteran you are, the amount of seasons you've been in, the steeper the challenge is whether that's additional "debuffs" or something like an escalated sabotage that is worse the more seasons you've been on. Something to level out the playing field for newer competitors in the first episode or two could really shake up who gets to the end.
Not sure of the logistics, but I think a Pro/Am style Gielinor Games would be kind of sick. Like, each participant has a partner who is a casual player.
Could be a interesting dynamic, even just for a single challenge.
Pro and Noob vs Gielinor Games
Sounds fun
Yeah a pro like solomission could have a casual like C Engineer as a partner 😘😁
He's said in some of the Q&As that he didn't see this going well, as he thinks being a full time content creator is what allows them all the time needed to film. At least I think that was the conclusion, its been a minute.
We need to get Hanannie in on the amateur side IMMEDIATELY.
Soup has talked about how it’s not possible to do amateurs. Too hard to enforce good streaming equipment, scheduling, and they just may not be entertaining on a mic.
Loved the escape room elimination, and I agree that it would make an amazing challenge. Would be a bit less frustrating for the players when losing at it doesn't mean being eliminated from GG. You could even do some kind of team escape room where different people have different hints or parts of the puzzle needed to win.
Here's an idea for a challenge that might accommodate something like an escape room or PK tests where skills are likely to be more uneven: Runescape Relay. Basically, set up something like the mini challenges that you used later in the season and for the finale, but do it as a big- or medium-team challenge, where each team needs to assign a single player to a single competitive task, and then total up a team score at the end. You could even get a little more out of it by having captains draft their teams before telling them what the challenges will be, though that might take too much time.
edit: Oh, yeah, a GIM escape room is actually an amazing idea. There's a ton of potential for something that would be way too complicated for one person to do or figure out, maybe even something with multiple paths to escape?
An interesting money making challenge could be "Picking Pennies":
1) each item can only be sold once, for stackables only a single one, items like pyramid top can only be used once.
2) items can't be acquired by monster drops
3) ge can only be used to sell items, shops are unaffected.
Essentially a challenge that forces each contestant to figure out the most gp item spawns or creation methods in a limited time. Instead of one guy for 40 mins doing the same method, we see how many different methods they can do
Loved the escape room challenge, would definitely like to see it return in the next season :)!
Yes! Please bring back the escape room! It was really exciting to watch and I had a lot of fun trying to figure it out along with the contestants. I would love to see this as a whole challenge in season 5
There needs to be an escape room as a main challenge. I bet someone out there could make a creative team escape room challenge. Or it could be a free for all. Either way, it would be super fun to watch.
An interesting idea for an escape room challenge, is players being in a teams of two, and theyre both in different areas and progressing in one gives clues for the other.
What about the mechanic carrying on with the person in the banning continuing to choose who they go against, but instead the person chosen gets to choose from a pool of challenges which gets smaller as the season goes along? Might make it even more chaotic?
this episode was the best because escape rooms in OSRS are the coolest content ever. More of that please.
Hey Stefan, when you were talking about the big team vs big team aspect, specifically how the formation of the teams took place and the controversy of whether you influenced the show or not, it made me think of a show I watched recently.
They had an interesting way of forming two big teams from a large group of contenders. A previous challenge had led to 2 individuals being selected. Those 2 individuals then formed a team each and took turns selecting a contender to join the OTHER team, until every contender was picked.
This way you don’t have the “was picked last at PE” form of bullying or the “I will pick my friends for my own team”. Each of the two players will pick contenders for the other team they think would benefit their team the least. I thought it was a great way of doing this, creative and refreshing. Just wanted to let you know should you need it for the next season, which I can’t wait to be released!
A fun rule could be you can do any money making method you want but if another player does the same method any money earned through that method doesn't count
Repeating my favorite team challenge suggestion I saw on another video! Teams elect a person to be their PVP captain, then the first part of the challenge is gathering equipment for them to use. In restricted time, ironman/GE or not, region restriction, etc. you could do a lot. I know you struggle with PVP being digestible to an unfamiliar audience, but you could use the confessionals to have people explain why they used their limited time/gp to go for a specific item. Kind of onboards the audience to the fight organically rather than throwing them into a tribrid whoknowswhat free for all.
Absolutely. Maybe do it in phases, where each team bans/claims a region, then after ten minutes they ban/claim another, then at like 20 minutes everyone gathers for the final challenge. Not sure what the ideal timing structure would be.
Speaking of having people explain decision-making for PvP, this is an area where I think bringing back eliminated contestants as commentators could really help. It could be useful for anything, but it'd be especially good for PvP, where high-level play is both hard to parse for the uninitiated, and likely to get a truly skilled player eliminated early in the season.
I really liked the escape room, I think as an elimination for later in the game when the competitors left are the few who have scrapped their way through everything to get there.
For season 5 are there any plans to bring back eliminated contestants for a challenge later in the series? Maybe a multi team challenge where everyone still in, are team captains and draft a team from everyone who got eliminated. Could be a cool finalle. Another idea is to have eliminated contestants somehow able to interfere with the challenge, would just need to anonymize the players to make sure there's no bias. Basically I just wanted to see more of people who got eliminated early! Like Skillspecs :(
A trios GIM escape room as a full challenge would be absolutely legendary
I think it has potential as a double elimination - two teams of two would give great conversation and players talking it over with each other would lower the chances of them getting stuck.
I also like the idea of an escape room challenge instead of elimination.
I think next GG a castle wars challenge would be good but the winning team has to win by two clear captures so one team doesn’t sit back when they go 1-0 up. Having the designated roles and areas worked well
Weird coincidence. Earlier today I was explicitly thinking of how excited I was for this episode review
I think an interesting twist for the gp challenge would be to have the second place earner win. So if you earn the most, you lose the most points that round or something to that effect. Everyone always goes so hard with their money making, but what if they weren't fighting for 1st place?
I forgot how much of a beast settled was in this challenge. I think this was the point everyone realised he was a problem
I think both players dying to poison was a dodged bullet. If one player thought of the stall and the other didn't, you end up having to cut together a story of someone sitting in a menu puzzling things out while the other is out of the picture entirely.
We saw with the amulet of choice people ended up deviating away from sabotage aince the impact wasnt as large until the groups got smaller to be worth painting a target in your back. Also people never ended up picking the immunity option. Is that along how you expected things ro play out? Do you have plans to change it if you were to do it differently?
I really liked the escape room, it was a shame that Dino was not experienced in that format. Hope to see it come back
i like how alliances developed like what you're speaking about in the 3 minute mark
Well this is convenient. I just finished re-binge watching every single season/episode of GG
One thing that would help me out as a watcher is adding a photo headshot of the players (if they are typically on camera in their own content), their signature icon or what they are know for under their name (like Swampletics/Tileman for Settled) while they are doing the confessionals or shown on screen. I know a lot of these players but it can be hard to recognize whos who when you don't see them like you normally, then also trying to learn new players you aren't familiar with and trying to follow each persons thoughts and adventure through the game can be a bit challenging/confusing. Hope that makes sense
Elimination escape room sucks. Challenge escape room is a great idea tbh.
Goofy idea for eliminations - could you give one of the selected players the chance to choose their challenge? Of course not telling them all the challenges, but give them a list obscured by themes (Lost City might be an item hunt, Dragon Slayer might be a PvE challenge, etc.)
Not gonna lie, for team challenges like this, you could of easily colored the "box" with each players name different colors. Theres a reason gameshows have people wear like red/blue jerseys to show visually. I think it works here too
This episode is what got me hooked on GG. Unironically the best game show I have ever watched. You and Allie did such a great job editing each episode, as a viewer I always felt like I knew what was going on concurrently. Big kudos to that and I’m so happy to see how successful season 4 was.
I got a few GG challenge ideas, mostly twists on the regular money maker.
First: Fe Shopping Spree
Each member starts with an assortment or random items in their inventory and has to find the right store in the game to sell them too. There are some pretty obscure items you can find.
Second: Wildy Rush, each team competes for the most cash BUT players must all remain on the same world and can only make money from items obtained in the wilderness. Would be interesting to see in a large team with an assortment of different content creators. Do they team together and kill or assign body guards or do some obscure method?? Could be fun.
Third: Mini Madness, players can only make money from minigames. I loved the Raid-based challenges from last season and I would love to see more minigames being included in GG.
Finally, I wanna recc Alien Food, limPwurt, and JoshIsntGaming . Wanna see my chunkmen up there. Also trying to pull some non RS creators like penguinz would be sick
I know you already probably started the next season, but as a new player to osrs I think a cool idea would be a season where veterans are paired with new players kind of like sponsors and they tech them what they know and help them out to win challenges.
I agree with most of the points you made about the escape room... if it was the main challenge of an episode. with more people challenging it, it would've truly been an exciting challenge as we watch people tackle it in different ways and people actually think enough to use menus to stall poison. I really felt like there was so many hypothetical aspects that sounds exciting in the writing room, except all of it together caused dino to shut down and basically give up making it one of the most anticlimactic elimination challenges we've seen on GG.
If possible it'd be great if you could address the severe lack of pvp main challenges until the most prominent pvp players got eliminated. It's odd to invite so many and never give them a chance to shine. You even noticed they were getting singled out for elimination but still decided to hold off on pvp challenges until they're all gone.
Another individual agent season would be perfect! I'm really excited. Thank you for doing it!
A moneymaking-esque challenge where the pvp'ers skills are more relevant would be cool. Like they could go into 'debt' for gear they have to risk or something.
With leagues winding down I thought a fun idea for the money-making challenge would be to region lock it. Maybe have it be big team vs big team again, but each member has a specific area they have to make money in(aside from ring of wealth tele to GE). You could even make it so the teams have to randomize the regions each player gets so someone like Settled doesn't just auto-pick Morytania as his region. I feel like putting these high end players out of their element is a big pull from a viewing standpoint. Even more so if communication is limited so everyone is required to pull their own weight with coming up with their money making strategy for an unfamiliar area as opposed to one player who is more familiar with the areas coaching their team through everything. Sorry if there's a better place to send you GG ideas. I don't Discord really and figured this was the next best option. 💜
Loved the escape room idea. I agree the poison was a nice touch to add chaos. I think maybe more hp like 20 could have made it more sustainable. I wonder how max hp with venom would've played out lol. Can't wait for the next season! Great work soup!
gz on hitting 1 million subs!
If you do a season where an eliminated player comes back again, an escape room would seem on theme for that.
the tribunals bans should be locked in before they announce them to the rest of the players.
Big team challenges where half the cast wins immunity are always a good twist, I think the tribunal also really complements having lots of small teams. Like 4 teams with 16 left or 3 teams with 15. Most weeks had very little consequence for coming last this season. I think you’d get a lot of interesting situations where a tribunal of the top team has to pick someone from the last place team, who can then select their opponent like usual. You get a lot more possible disagreements on the tribunal, choosing between so few people, and maybe some interesting strategies develop! While being on top is still the only guaranteed safe seat.
IDK how you bring it back but I would love for you to bring back the Escape Room in some way. After they started I paused it and tried to figure out the method myself. I figured out Barbarian Firemaking for the torch and that sack was the pin, but got stumped on how to get money for a vial even after I let it run a bit and they looked at their quests.
just a random idea - what if going into a future GG team challenge the winner of the previous challenge get to choose either to select their teammate(s) and all the other teams will be randomized, or they get a random teammate(s) and get to assign the rest of the teams
Hey soup! I think it'd be a fun idea next season for money making to be like scategories where teams pick a money making idea but if someone on the opposite team picks the same money making as someone on the opposing team they both don't count
35:56 So it's not figuring out the entire thing with the menu open, you only need to figure out how to get a vial.
You open an interface to stall the poison and figure out how you get a vial, since you can see very quickly you have water, marrentil, unicorn horn, pestle and mortar.
While stalled you can take some time to breathe, look in your quest log, pirates treasure? completed up to the last step, the last step being to dig in falador, that gives you cash for a plant cure, empty it to get a vial, and make an anti poison.
Thank you for this Soup, being sick this is making my night :)
I did like the idea that they were poisoned for the escape room challenge, but getting chunked for 4 each time made the timer too short. If you could have somehow tweaked so they were getting hit 1s, it might have worked a little better.
You just reminded me of GG, now I will go rewatch season four. Truly a brilliant tactic there SoupeRS.
How much of the alliances are you aware of during the filming? Were you aware of the Solonanigans in season two/three or was it as much of a surprise to you as to others?
RIP Hooti lmao
Thank you and your hard-working crew as always for your hard work!
I like seeing money maker challenges! I would say a potential "balancer" would be that two players using the same method would actually *lose* points for their team (applies to members of the same team), and/or a new method needs to be chosen after half the time has passed. (Similar to a comment that mentioned that two players using the same method should negate each other)
I also enjoyed watching the escape room elimination! I hope to see a return because it's something that most people can play along with (I've never played rs but still enjoyed watching).
As for throwing games, I have mixed feelings about it. I appreciate the strategical element of it but am concerned that participants will suspect players who are having a bad day/just not doing well of intentionally sabotaging the challenge. It really sucks for both parties and can be a mood-killer and source of tension.
Happy new year Soup and the GG crew, thank you all for the amazing content:)
Regarding the order of announcing the votes from the tribunal, isnit selected at random or is there some kind of decision process there?
I guess we will learn more about it later on when we get to SoloMission's vote
PvP challenge idea: have the hold the most value at the end of an hour of being in the wilderness. You can bring as much risk as you want
love the series soup, appreciate the effort you put into GG, looking forward to the next season
I think a good idea for a challenge would be to do money making challenge but if you do the same method as somebody else, the amount you made is cut in half. I bet it would make some creative ideas come out or you get to see who gambles and does the better methods
I feel like the escape rooms have the downside of being extremely more difficult for some than others and could easily lead to super one sided outcomes. I want to see them again in the future, but I think it would be better to have the person doing the escape have one or two people helping them out in order to avoid that. The escape room would have to be longer and more convoluted as a result but I think it would make it more interesting to watch that way.
At this rate the last episode will be out in October 2027
Have you ever thought of doing an ironman or hardcore ironman gilneor themed season? think it could be a cool idea adding the hardcore concept to it. You have to also not get self eliminated, gives it a squid game vibe. Would love to see it.
I think if there is another escape room, it should be saved for later in the season where a smaller pool of the most seasoned players remain. The escape room was really exciting, especially with the poison, but it was disappointing to see Dino go down in that fashion and not have any competition personally.
Edit: I think it should remain an elimination
An easy twist to moneymaking challenges without adding tonnes of extra rules could be ironman rules, no GE or trading, just make money
Love hearing these commentaries!! Cant wait for GG5 😁
Gielenor Games vs Unguided for best series figuratively breaks my heart
We can get our boy Unguided as the New Content Creator. After all, the series isn’t done yet ;)
Who walked in and shut my door? 36:56
I do like the idea of bringing back escape rooms as a challenge rather than an elemination.
settled vs solomission escape room would have been amazing
Feedback: Throwing strategically is awesome, throwing for the laugh is not (like boaty has done). Also escape room as an early challenge so you can see lots of perspectives would be excellent
i think this episode is really good... if you watch it in reverse order. Dino struggling with the escape room left off on a pretty anti-climatic and with the poisoned attempt on top of it was a double whammy. The money making challenge was chef's kiss. Settled overcoming the sabotage and faux throwing was peak not to mention everyone else just kinda having fun with it.
I think it wouldn't have been as bad if it you just cut out the poisoned attempt. I think the failed attempt gave a bad taste to the second attempt and changed from dino's mismatch of skills to the challenge having a sense on unfairness to it.
I think an escape room challenge would be hype much later in the season. More pressure, more built up. This early it did feel like a little bit of a waste or lost a bit of epicness something like this would have. If a season is going to have 12 episodes, putting it in episode 8-10 would feel about right. I also absolutely want to have a team escape room either ironman style or where a team is all on coms together and they each have to do a leg of the escape room.
I loved the escape room elimination game, definitely would love to see another run at it in S5.
its so weird because, the difference between pvm/pking/game knowledge is so extreme its almost as if they're all completely different games in terms of whats needed during challenges. very hard to balance, and make exciting for challenges. because a master pvmer will always win a straight honest pvm challenge and a pker will always win a pking challenge probably no matter the twist on it.
game knowledge is so random, everyone has different experiences with this game and some people will remember a bunch of little things about it that even veteran players of 20 years might not even know its crazy.
I had never heard of GG before and found S3 on my recommendations. I also only knew a handful of the creators in the show. I ended up watching all of S3 and enjoyed it and went back and watched S2 then S1 and then S4 shortly after.
Its very well made, good entertainment and you can see how much effort goes into it.
On the escape room challenge potential, could you do a team based escape room where either:
all members are locked in the same area, but each member is given an account with different stats and items and each account has a specific role to play in the escape room? (Would take alot of work getting the accounts made though i imagine)
Or each player (or maybe in pairs) is locked in a different area and have to escape their area and give something from their area to the next person so they can escape? They'd have to communicate with each other and work out their escapes before leaving their area and bringing the necessary items with them. (This idea could then be done on their normal accounts and wouldn't require special accounts made just for the escape room).
Don't know if I explained the ideas well or if they'd work as an episode or potential banning just an idea I thought of whilst watching this.
I loved the escape room! I definitely couldn't figure them out cause I'm stoopid but had a fun time watching it.
Season 4 really knocked it out of the park and can't wait to see what you got scheming for season 5.
What would you have done in the “escape room” if someone kept a skill menu open and the other person died first?
I kind of hope in the next GG you have the concept of champions where even though you're in the banning, you can ask someone to participate in your place (with their permission), that way rookie bannings aren't a thing as someone like b0aty would defend them, it might make drama as people could forsake them when they ask the question, and you could give the reward of winning the banning to the champion, so there's an incentive for people to defend their friends.
I think this could be neat if you restricted to each person could step in only once?
@foxlery there's loads of ways to spin it I was just posting the original idea, soup will know how to weave it in if he likes the idea it was just something I thought of.
@@ashe_ Course, was just throwing in my two cents. I think if one person kept jumping in it could get really stale. Hogging the spot light, you know?
For my feelings everyone was scared for solo mission 😂
I liked the idea of an escape room, but I don't think they work well for eliminations. Perhaps it would be better suited for a team challenge? Perhaps not 2 big teams, but teams of 2-3 where one person's screen sharing the room to the other(s) and they have to put their brains together to solve it.
You are going to read everything? Oh god... I don't have much to tell, but I had risotto for lunch today.
I do think the poison was OP, but at least now I understand the decision and agree with it. Probably a compromise by just giving them more hp (or more food somehow like 10 purple sweets or something) would have been pretty great. Dino dying without eating at all was kind of a shame.
Can't wait for season 5 🎉
Fantastic video. It was so great, you could even call it souper.
I had forgotten about Thraux