Sir, the way you explain the stuff is just perfect... i love the last tip with the circuit of the reverb, almost organ-like! look, one question though: Is there anything you can do „wrong“ with the patching? Can i harm the granny by doing a „wrong“ patch? i‘m going to get one of these babies cause i just cant resist anymore 😅
When they debuted this synth, I thought that Moog had done something gimmicky in adding a spring reverb tank. Then I played one at Moogfest last year. Nope. It's an integral part of the sonic nature of the Grandmother. Such a fun playground. You bring the best out of it. Thanks.
Do you have any thoughts as to why they put a delay but not a reverb into the Matriarch? It seems a bit odd, since otherwise the Matriarch is much more powerful. Yes, from what I've gathered there are a few other things the Grandmother can do and not the Matriarch, but they sound relatively minor.
@@NuisanceMan Matthew here from another account: I'm now very lucky and happy to own both the Grandmother and Matriarch. I think they did it just to differentiate the synths a bit. The Matriarch signal path is different with all the stereo options, but I'd guess that putting the spring reverb tank in there would have made them too similar. I can't say I miss it on the Matriarch, but it would be nice to have.
Man I rented a grandmother from this place to see if I would like it. Found your videos and I definitely plan on buying one of these things now. Your videos make feel like I’m a pro already and I know nothing about synthesis.
Awesome synth and (another) themed review that adds a bunch of info about the machine and synthesis in general. When I finally get my Minibrute 2S I'll straight away go see how many of these Grandmother patches I can reproduce with it. Nothing with native and cleverly routed spring reverb alas. When I grow up, a Grandmother maybe...
That last reverb tip is genius. I just completely missed that one. Now I’m thinking to send it out to my Behringer model D and apply attenuated LFO for a bit of of tremelo on just the reverb and then send back in like you did here. Or even shape it with the Behringer ENV should yield interesting results. And to think I laughed at the spring reverb as a gimmick when I first heard about it!
It’s cool that you show how but as a newb to patching synths, I don’t see why you’d want to. Very few of these sounded at all useful and several sounded the same so I don’t get why you’d want to go to the trouble. I guess I’ll have to play with it.
Maybe its obvious to most people watching this video but I would have liked a quick example or explanation why I would want to do (some of) these things (like parallel filtering) on this synth specifically. Maybe the Vibrato / Tremolo thing is clear but e.g. the split filter thing, I wouldn't know off the top of my head, what to do with it. Still, thank you for the great video!
Love the up-beat speed of your demo. Good GREAT stuff. The only thing that was bugging me on each step was that you only would press one of the keyboard keys and not do some quick arpeggio to give a better feel for what you just patched. JUST a few more notes, PLZ? Haaa, nice work, great video.
Hi and thanks for the video ! I don't understand why when I patch my Wave out (1 or 2) in the reverb in there's a reverb drone that appears. Any suggestion ? The drone is there whatever if I choose "Env/ RBD RL/ Drone" and even if i put down the level of Osc 1 and 2.
Really interesting (albeit GAS inducing). Thanks! Would like to hear more of your thoughts as to "why?" for some of these tips. For instance, when you route the oscillators separately through the filters--one through low-pass and one through high-pass--what sort of sounds do you get that you wouldn't otherwise have available and how are they useful in a musical context? I guess I'm interested in some ideas about the philosophy of sound design as well as the nuts-and-bolts.
First off I want to thank you for this video. And I am with you big eastern syndicate onyour questions. Among other Synths I ownI also have a GM which is pretty much on top on my list as my favorite Synth that I have. With that said I am no musician at all, can’t really play the keyboard very well either. So I also listen to this and other demonstrations on patching and like you I can appreciate all these different ways you can use and change the sounds.I have NFC how to use these different sounds creatively. I just don’t have the talent to figure out how I can use each different sound and make it sound decent in any sort of musical sense. I come to the same questions of just listening to a piece of music, I pick out little sounds here and there in a song and wonder how they figured out that sound and how to use it. It might just be a little bell sound, or some string sound, etc. and it really makes the music pleasurable. It’s just so frustrating not to have a musical gene in me. Anyway, again I really do appreciate tips like these, and even though I might never know what to do with these different ways of generating sound, at least I have more avenues to explore.
thanks for the feedback! I'll try to incorporate more of the "why" in future vids. I wanted to keep this vid as short as possible, so it's always a tricky balance.
I can’t get step 7 to work. Every time I patch back into my Reverb In, it just rings ad I can’t stop it I matter how low I turn every knob on my grandma. Any help/thoughts?
Thanks! Good question. In theory you could just patch it in between the filter and the VCA, that way it will be processed by the reverb. But you'd have to convert the 1/8" to 1/4" and back. I'm also not too sure how the levels will work, because the level from the filter output will be hot (it's before the amp) so I'm not sure if that would overload the pedal. Maybe I'll try that with the phaser moogerfooger one day and hope that nothing blows up 🤞
it might actually be higher. Or rather, it's probably the same, but the filter will at least attenuate it slightly if partially closed. But actually I just remembered there's a mixer before all that (lol duh), so I think it should be fine cause you can control the level of the oscillators there. So yeah, adding the pedal anytime after the mixer should be ok.
"7's the key number here. Think about it. 7-Elevens. 7 dwarves. 7, man, that's the number. 7 chipmunks twirlin' on a branch, eatin' lots of sunflowers on my uncle's ranch. You know that old children's tale from the sea. It's like you're dreamin' about Gorgonzola cheese when it's clearly Brie time, baby. Step into my office." ;D
Stupid question: Are any of those path outputs actual audio output? Other than the actual audio outputs and the headphone output on the back of course. For example, could you run a cable from the oscillator output into a guitar pedal and then back into another input patch on the synth? Or are all of the patch outputs just voltage telling the synth what to do?
I own a moog matriarch, grandmother, and Sound Studio 3, for over a year, but I'm still struggling to understand what the patch points actually do and HOW to use them. And I don't find the user manual to be much help. Any recommendations for learning resources?
When i routed the Modulation to the Noise it was extremelyyyyyyyy quiet compared to the other oscillators. My settings seem to be the same as yours. Any ideas? Thanks for the vid!
I've been watching your videos for a while and finally bought one last week. Thanks for these, they have been very helpful. I'm a bit annoyed with your Euro rack + grandmother videos now, though as I have now ordered a case to start piecing together my own. Haha
Hey great tutorial, I just got my own Grandmother finally after ogling yours for so long. I love a lot of the tricks that get displayed here but the last one with the spring reverb is probably the coolest. When I try doing it on mine (patches all the same and drone definitely off) the second I go to plug oscillator 2 into the reverb-in patch, it starts to drone which kind of ruins the whole effect. Wondering if I'm the only one who's had this problem and if anyone had any idea of what I was doing wrong. I keep going over everything and I'm coming up empty
Hi, just stumbled over the same problem. :D Just turn the reverb knob to the left (very contra intuitive). The signal is kinda weak, but you get the result from the vid! (That wasn't my solution, found it on Reddit)
Hi, I’m having trouble executing tip 7. It seems like the reverb is feeding back on itself and sustaining forever. The noise knob on the mixer isn’t effecting anything. I’ve triple checked the patching to match yours but still having issues. Thanks for your help!
Same thing here. Funny thing is that according to the signal flow diagram in the manual, everything that goes through the VCA has to go through the wet/dry mixer. So if that is on 100% wet, no dry signal can come through. So we cannot hear OSC1 and the Noise. Only OSC2 on an endless sustain. So our experiences match the flow diagram. So either he has another version of the machine, which is unlikely, or he does not have the Reverb fully open, although it does look like it on the video. Unsolved riddle. Please, Once Upon a Synth, help us out!
I found the solution! Somehow we assumed that we should set the Reverb to fully open. This is not the case! The Reverb out on the back is always fully open. So if you keep the reverb closed everything works as demonstrated!
So when I try to run an oscillator through a reverb I get a persistent drone that doesn't stop no matter what I do... doesn't seem to react to oscillator controls. What am I doing wrong?
re: 10:35 - does this mean that without patching into the reverb input you could effectively feed the regular reverb'd output back on itself by replacing one of the oscillator inputs with a patch from the reverb output? like double reverb?! rrreeevvveeerrrbbberrrbbbrbrrrrbbbb?
@ once upon a synth, Hey! From a scale of 1-to-10 how highly will you recommend to keep the GrandMother for someone that works as (producer, remixer House/Tech House/Deep House primarily ) and working in the box (unfortunately my gears are all in storage faraway from where I live now) do you think is well-worth it or I'm just throwing 800£ out of the window? THX!
Hello you are the best :) Can you tell me, where i can read about how those things works without a video :)) greate thx for your video you save my day :)
doesn't anyone on YT notice the channels who get shown to u are making money and us who are not a commercial for a product and who actually create content gets shafted... this is a commercial advert video... he has professional equipment and works for moog. fuck RUclips
Really great tips. Gave me some new ideas. But the reverb patch behaves differently. After patching one of the oscillators to reverb in I instantly get a clear drone sound (pitch of the last key pressed), unaffected by filter or envelope. I wonder if that's a service issue.
Tip 1 0:11
Tip 2 2:01
Tip 3 4:05
Tip 4 5:13
Tip 5 7:08
Tip 6 8:22
Tip 7 10:12
You should pin this comment or make it part of the description :)
oops forgot to pin it lol, thanks!
Thanks!
I've never owned a hardware synth and I really want to get into hardware. Is this worth purchasing or should I look elsewhere?
Sir, the way you explain the stuff is just perfect... i love the last tip with the circuit of the reverb, almost organ-like!
look, one question though:
Is there anything you can do „wrong“ with the patching? Can i harm the granny by doing a „wrong“ patch?
i‘m going to get one of these babies cause i just cant resist anymore 😅
All of these Grandmother videos should be required viewing for new owners. Best thing out there. Thanks fam!
When they debuted this synth, I thought that Moog had done something gimmicky in adding a spring reverb tank. Then I played one at Moogfest last year. Nope. It's an integral part of the sonic nature of the Grandmother. Such a fun playground. You bring the best out of it. Thanks.
Do you have any thoughts as to why they put a delay but not a reverb into the Matriarch? It seems a bit odd, since otherwise the Matriarch is much more powerful. Yes, from what I've gathered there are a few other things the Grandmother can do and not the Matriarch, but they sound relatively minor.
@@NuisanceMan Matthew here from another account: I'm now very lucky and happy to own both the Grandmother and Matriarch. I think they did it just to differentiate the synths a bit. The Matriarch signal path is different with all the stereo options, but I'd guess that putting the spring reverb tank in there would have made them too similar. I can't say I miss it on the Matriarch, but it would be nice to have.
The last two tips really showcase how versatile the Grandmother can be. Very cool, thanks for sharing.
Agreed. Just got my GM two weeks ago and this video has me super surprised and happy with my purchase
@@acidfunk11 How's it going with the Grandmother, 3 years on?
@@G.Man- I bet he's had an intense relationship with grandma that's still going strong...
@@NuisanceMan 😂
Wow excellent video. I will have to rewatch this a few times. My brain hurts with all the potential.
Is a common comment I know, but genuinely - your videos have made me buy this - really inspiring, thank you
Man I rented a grandmother from this place to see if I would like it. Found your videos and I definitely plan on buying one of these things now. Your videos make feel like I’m a pro already and I know nothing about synthesis.
MINE DELIVERS TOMORROW YEEEEE
What do you feel about it now?
Love the reverb trick. Hadn’t thought about that one. Thx for sharing.
The last tip is an absolute game-changer.
thank you very much. realy, you just helped me saving enormous amounts of time. thank you.
Awesome synth and (another) themed review that adds a bunch of info about the machine and synthesis in general. When I finally get my Minibrute 2S I'll straight away go see how many of these Grandmother patches I can reproduce with it. Nothing with native and cleverly routed spring reverb alas. When I grow up, a Grandmother maybe...
Wow, that reverb sound is genius and beautiful. Definitely stealing that from ya when I get my hands on it!
great share. gonna have to watch a few times.
dang... you know your shit. love the background reverb tip but they were all good tips.Thank!
That last reverb tip is genius. I just completely missed that one. Now I’m thinking to send it out to my Behringer model D and apply attenuated LFO for a bit of of tremelo on just the reverb and then send back in like you did here. Or even shape it with the Behringer ENV should yield interesting results. And to think I laughed at the spring reverb as a gimmick when I first heard about it!
Moog need to get an award for this synth. It is so important. Peace Christo 👽🙏🙏🎶🎶✌🏻✌🏻🛸🛸👏🏻👏🏻👍🏻👍🏻🔦🔦🐕🐕🤖🤖🕺🕺❤️❤️
Christo Roppolo its a great synth, but the tech is decades old, mostly
Fin it’s the most iconic circuits that Moog has ever created .....in a mono synth that is truly patchable.and I love mine peace Christo
Fin oh and I think it’s much more Moog like than the sub thirty seven series ever was. Peace Christo
Christo Roppolo i agree on that
Very instructive... thanks!
Yeah, Tip #7 is very cool!
That last tip is amazing.
I would have been happy with 6, but 7! Bonus! 👍👍 😜
Awesome tips! Thank you
*subscribed*
That last one was epic!
great video
Thanks for that. You really got under Grandma's hood!
I'm waiting for mine to arrive in the mail. Can't wait!!
I bought one of these today, thanks to you and the other folks putting up these vids. Thanks.
It’s cool that you show how but as a newb to patching synths, I don’t see why you’d want to. Very few of these sounded at all useful and several sounded the same so I don’t get why you’d want to go to the trouble. I guess I’ll have to play with it.
i'm learning so much from your moog gma vids. quarantined weekend well spent.
Thanks you! Please do a video about the instrument input on the back =). You rock!!
Maybe its obvious to most people watching this video but I would have liked a quick example or explanation why I would want to do (some of) these things (like parallel filtering) on this synth specifically. Maybe the Vibrato / Tremolo thing is clear but e.g. the split filter thing, I wouldn't know off the top of my head, what to do with it. Still, thank you for the great video!
Brilliant, thanks. I love that last reverb tip! I can't wait to try these out.
Have just reinvented my Grandmother, thanks a lot, hvala puno!!
My god. 7th tip is LOVE
Awesome tutorial. Pls do more grandmother videos. Thank u
Love the up-beat speed of your demo. Good GREAT stuff. The only thing that was bugging me on each step was that you only would press one of the keyboard keys and not do some quick arpeggio to give a better feel for what you just patched. JUST a few more notes, PLZ? Haaa, nice work, great video.
bro yes, that last tip, thank you, i like to run mine through pedals, Misty Cave to JHS Pulp to Mood to Tensor to Specular Tempus, pure Doom
Grandmother coming today my envy is over.now i just hope i can make mine sound as good as yours
Just curious how it’s goin’?
pls come back to youtube, we miss you :(
the envelope triggered tremelo is so good
Awesome video I followed right along with you. This was fun. Don't think all my dogs cared much for the crazy cat sounds though. LOL
I'm excited to see what's to come with this great synth!
Great video, thanks!
What a great video!
Thank you
Man, your videos have completely sold me on the grandmother. Now just to find the $$$....
I love my grandmother so much.
you're a good grandson
once upon a synth it’s easy to love her when she makes such cool music when i touch her all over.
Thanks wonderful video
Such a useful video. Thanks dude, appreciated.
You are amazing and super helpful dude, thanks!!
Daemon one is my fav
Really nice tips, what an interesting synth this is!
what a wonderful synth
Hi and thanks for the video ! I don't understand why when I patch my Wave out (1 or 2) in the reverb in there's a reverb drone that appears. Any suggestion ? The drone is there whatever if I choose "Env/ RBD RL/ Drone" and even if i put down the level of Osc 1 and 2.
Hi in that video I learned so much Im thinking what to buy or the grandmother or sud 25 I like your opinion on these synths thanks 👍
Crystal clear and right to the point. Good job once upon a synth!
Really interesting (albeit GAS inducing). Thanks! Would like to hear more of your thoughts as to "why?" for some of these tips. For instance, when you route the oscillators separately through the filters--one through low-pass and one through high-pass--what sort of sounds do you get that you wouldn't otherwise have available and how are they useful in a musical context? I guess I'm interested in some ideas about the philosophy of sound design as well as the nuts-and-bolts.
First off I want to thank you for this video. And I am with you big eastern syndicate onyour questions. Among other Synths I ownI also have a GM which is pretty much on top on my list as my favorite Synth that I have. With that said I am no musician at all, can’t really play the keyboard very well either. So I also listen to this and other demonstrations on patching and like you I can appreciate all these different ways you can use and change the sounds.I have NFC how to use these different sounds creatively. I just don’t have the talent to figure out how I can use each different sound and make it sound decent in any sort of musical sense. I come to the same questions of just listening to a piece of music, I pick out little sounds here and there in a song and wonder how they figured out that sound and how to use it. It might just be a little bell sound, or some string sound, etc. and it really makes the music pleasurable. It’s just so frustrating not to have a musical gene in me. Anyway, again I really do appreciate tips like these, and even though I might never know what to do with these different ways of generating sound, at least I have more avenues to explore.
thanks for the feedback! I'll try to incorporate more of the "why" in future vids. I wanted to keep this vid as short as possible, so it's always a tricky balance.
I love how your tips are different from others. More with a musical application in mind. And less like… see what it can do…
thanks! some how the universe broke my collar bone..... now i have hours to explore this at home with these helpful tips... with one hand though....
Awesome!!! Thanks a lot!!!
awesome and really inspiring sound design tips !!!!
Do a jam with this and the Blofeld. They make a great pair.
I can’t get step 7 to work. Every time I patch back into my Reverb In, it just rings ad I can’t stop it I matter how low I turn every knob on my grandma. Any help/thoughts?
Excellent vid, learnt a lot! Thx for sharing 🤗 🤗 🤗 Immediately subscribed!
awesome, glad you dig it!
@@onceuponasynth Hope you're keeping well, we miss you
Nice patches. My fav at 7:00. Keep up :D
好棒的技巧
Keen to hear - Is there anything you wish Moog could add with a firmware update to give it more functions and capabilities?
Love the tips!
I wonder if it is possible to get the output into a Small Stone and back into the synth to get the reverb on top of that?
Thanks! Good question. In theory you could just patch it in between the filter and the VCA, that way it will be processed by the reverb. But you'd have to convert the 1/8" to 1/4" and back. I'm also not too sure how the levels will work, because the level from the filter output will be hot (it's before the amp) so I'm not sure if that would overload the pedal. Maybe I'll try that with the phaser moogerfooger one day and hope that nothing blows up 🤞
Good point that! Would the level be lower ( I could be completely off here ) if we get the signal out before it hits the filter ?
it might actually be higher. Or rather, it's probably the same, but the filter will at least attenuate it slightly if partially closed. But actually I just remembered there's a mixer before all that (lol duh), so I think it should be fine cause you can control the level of the oscillators there. So yeah, adding the pedal anytime after the mixer should be ok.
"7's the key number here. Think about it. 7-Elevens. 7 dwarves. 7, man, that's the number. 7 chipmunks twirlin' on a branch, eatin' lots of sunflowers on my uncle's ranch. You know that old children's tale from the sea. It's like you're dreamin' about Gorgonzola cheese when it's clearly Brie time, baby. Step into my office." ;D
Stupid question: Are any of those path outputs actual audio output? Other than the actual audio outputs and the headphone output on the back of course. For example, could you run a cable from the oscillator output into a guitar pedal and then back into another input patch on the synth? Or are all of the patch outputs just voltage telling the synth what to do?
I own a moog matriarch, grandmother, and Sound Studio 3, for over a year, but I'm still struggling to understand what the patch points actually do and HOW to use them. And I don't find the user manual to be much help. Any recommendations for learning resources?
Effectively produced video
Any way to make more patch tips? Maybe between DFAM and grandmother? I just picked both up and am slowly learning patching
When i routed the Modulation to the Noise it was extremelyyyyyyyy quiet compared to the other oscillators. My settings seem to be the same as yours. Any ideas? Thanks for the vid!
Incredible ideas!! Do you think you'll get the Matriarch?
Great tips, thanks. Lots of feedback ideas can be found here... Just what is it you play at 11:50 ? Cheers
Any hot tips for interconnectivity between Grandmother and Dreadbox semi-mod synths?
When i try the reverb patch, the notes are sustained all the time. Does anybody knows why?
Try closing the reverb knob off.
07:53 Terminator Background synth
Re: tip #7 - would it be possible to sidechain the reverb out through something like a Shallow Water pedal?
nice thanks :)
But I hope to get a few more Blofeld tutorials soon
Thanks! I will def do more Blofeld tutorials, but I'm still in the honeymoon phase with the GM so I need to give her the attention :)
I've been watching your videos for a while and finally bought one last week. Thanks for these, they have been very helpful. I'm a bit annoyed with your Euro rack + grandmother videos now, though as I have now ordered a case to start piecing together my own. Haha
Hey great tutorial, I just got my own Grandmother finally after ogling yours for so long. I love a lot of the tricks that get displayed here but the last one with the spring reverb is probably the coolest. When I try doing it on mine (patches all the same and drone definitely off) the second I go to plug oscillator 2 into the reverb-in patch, it starts to drone which kind of ruins the whole effect. Wondering if I'm the only one who's had this problem and if anyone had any idea of what I was doing wrong. I keep going over everything and I'm coming up empty
i'm having the exact same thing. Did you already find a solution? Thanks
I"m also having the same problem. Has anyone found a solution?
Hi, just stumbled over the same problem. :D Just turn the reverb knob to the left (very contra intuitive). The signal is kinda weak, but you get the result from the vid! (That wasn't my solution, found it on Reddit)
Yea i also have this problem, any suggestions?? HELP
Hi, I’m having trouble executing tip 7. It seems like the reverb is feeding back on itself and sustaining forever. The noise knob on the mixer isn’t effecting anything. I’ve triple checked the patching to match yours but still having issues. Thanks for your help!
Jonathan O'Brien I’m having the exact same problem. Pulling my hair out.
Same thing here. Funny thing is that according to the signal flow diagram in the manual, everything that goes through the VCA has to go through the wet/dry mixer. So if that is on 100% wet, no dry signal can come through. So we cannot hear OSC1 and the Noise. Only OSC2 on an endless sustain. So our experiences match the flow diagram. So either he has another version of the machine, which is unlikely, or he does not have the Reverb fully open, although it does look like it on the video. Unsolved riddle. Please, Once Upon a Synth, help us out!
I found the solution! Somehow we assumed that we should set the Reverb to fully open. This is not the case! The Reverb out on the back is always fully open. So if you keep the reverb closed everything works as demonstrated!
Gerard Meerstadt you’re a star mate
Great video. I just subbed
"Now it just sounds like a dying cat." HAHA
a real dying cat is so silent and hiding
So when I try to run an oscillator through a reverb I get a persistent drone that doesn't stop no matter what I do... doesn't seem to react to oscillator controls. What am I doing wrong?
9:54 RIP Mittens
re: 10:35 - does this mean that without patching into the reverb input you could effectively feed the regular reverb'd output back on itself by replacing one of the oscillator inputs with a patch from the reverb output? like double reverb?! rrreeevvveeerrrbbberrrbbbrbrrrrbbbb?
Ive tried to patch the reverb to the high pass like you did but I get a drone sound any reason why?
@ once upon a synth, Hey! From a scale of 1-to-10 how highly will you recommend to keep the GrandMother for someone that works as (producer, remixer House/Tech House/Deep House primarily ) and working in the box (unfortunately my gears are all in storage faraway from where I live now) do you think is well-worth it or I'm just throwing 800£ out of the window? THX!
I'm unable to tune with the rate knob, yet everything on my synth is identical to yours. What am I doing wrong?
Can you control the filters via expression pedal?
Hello you are the best :) Can you tell me, where i can read about how those things works without a video :)) greate thx for your video you save my day :)
doesn't anyone on YT notice the channels who get shown to u are making money and us who are not a commercial for a product and who actually create content gets shafted... this is a commercial advert video... he has professional equipment and works for moog. fuck RUclips
i love u
Can you control volume via cv?
why does your reverb sound so much better than mine?
Really great tips. Gave me some new ideas. But the reverb patch behaves differently. After patching one of the oscillators to reverb in I instantly get a clear drone sound (pitch of the last key pressed), unaffected by filter or envelope. I wonder if that's a service issue.
ImagoMediaProd same thing happening for me!
See my solution in the comment above. Keep the Reverb closed, the reverb out is already open by itself!
@@GerardMeerstadtthought something was very wrong, Thank you!
I do not understand why I have to buy it, if there is a behringer model d??? how is it better???
Love your intro, those long intros on you tube can get so annoying :-)
Excellent !Sub ! Cheers!;-)!