Her E has to be one of the most frustrating abilities in the game FOR EVERYBODY. If she misses, that's it, she becomes half a champion. She hits, you cannot trade back no matter what.
before there was actually counterplay to her spirit. if your spirit gets grabbed, attacking illaoi reduces it's duration. if you become a vessel, kill 3 tentacles to get rid of the debuff, but riot found that to be too much counterplay so they removed them
Just to make her that much more annoying I will on occaision take her bot and just say “ok but I hit you from a safe place and now you lost a quarter of your health”
I used to find illaoi super annoying. Once i realised that my mindshare while playing the lane can literally just tunnel vision on dodging E it becomes alot more fun. Compared to say, aatrox or riven who can infinitely spam high-pressure, mix-upable esoteric micro checks at you. With illaoi all i need to do is laser focus on not getting hit by E whenever i am not behind a minion (or her Q if i am). Then i am free to do whatever i want for 16 seconds where i know she has 0 outplay agency. Also try dodging perfectly perpendicular. it's rlly unintuitive since we normally dodge diagonally to also create distance but she is immobile, and if she autoattack gap closes after whiffing E that just makes ur punish easier. Hit the minion wave to deny her the E under tower angle. If shes trying to E you under tower just concede farming the wave if you cant be bothered trying to dodge. When the tower has to shoot an extra time to kill minions (since u are not doing the last hit), the next wave will start on your side. Which is easier and safer for you and potentially starts a slow push
The biggest mistake was removing the ability to contest her E ability If she spirit grabbed you, you fight back so she would cause less damage by having that spirit disappear faster. It was both good counter play, and fit her character perfectly. Illaoi is the type of character who would be thrilled to see someone fight back
I think the reason they removed that is because in high elo she was bad since they always fought back. Meaning she would have her most crucial ability gone pretty much. Thing is though it does allow you to move the power budget away from her e and more into possibly even reworking her other abilities. I have had the thought for a while now that it would be neat if her w did something different and instead her q would tell her tentacles to attack a target location so you can try and use it to predict enemy movements.
I think that was a mistake, but the bigger mistake was buffing her passive range instead of trying to find a different solution. Any adc player can tell you just how much of a difference a range gap can make, and that's effectively what they gave her. Not to mention that because of how she specifically works, it went from a maximum of 3 naturally spawned tentacles hitting a given point to 4 being able to hit that same point because they didn't increase the minimum distance between them when they did so.
The issue is that fighting back against illaoi with E made it disappear within literal seconds, not only causing her to lose a big chunk of her dps but also losing the ability for her tentacles to auto slap. That's the problem with illaoi in general: she either has TOO much counterplay or NO counterplay.
@@VarsVerum I think the workaround for it would have been making her damage more frontloaded on hitting her slam skillshot, her E no longer damages but slows and gradually increases the longer and further you are from the spirit so fighting back IS your option unless you have dashes to just zoom out her kit is great, just needs reworking and passing around values
because shes the only champ where you still have to play by her rules even when shes 0 and 14, just pray the illaoi player is trash and your team doesn't just stand in her tentacles. the amount of jglers ive had that just run in 2 lvls down and get one shotted by her ult is insane
@@PiotrK you can't just have an overpowered champ and say "well there's still some way to beat her" She should be rewarding when played well. Not rewarded by doing one thing right and 15 wrong
Illaoi is a juggernaut. Juggernauts struggle against characters with mobility, but dominate immobile characters. To fix this, Riot made Illaoi even worse against mobile champions she already loses to anyway, while being even stronger against immobile characters she already beats anyway. Truly a masterful design.
Illaoi is a prime example of the dangers of having too much counterplay. Because everything in her kit is so counterable, the reward on her successful hits has to be massive. This is why she’s always been notoriously powerful in the lower divisions. They need to ironically take some interactivity out of her kit in exchange for lower raw power.
Because lower divisons are skill issue, the better players on illaoi in lowelo win because they are simply better and not a champ issue. Any altering to that by riot is "wanting people to be hardstuck, even if they are much better than current division"
Ok smart guy, tf is malphite gonna do in that lane? He can’t dodge anything and once she lands E, it’s over. He literally can stack armor and she will still kill him just through raw sustain.
@@HippoMan5542 youre speaking as if laning phase is the only phase, or rather the entirerty of the game as a whole. even if malphite has a rougher than usual start that doesnt mean he cant be impactful litterally 10 minutes later or god forbid he roams and gets a couple picks from some random ass teamfight happening mid or jungle and makes his rougher lane phase actually pretty comfy.
@@HippoMan5542 Bruh that is literally only temporary because don't forget her passive dmg was nerfed, she needs at least 2-3 tentacles to kill the vessel or deal any decent dmg. Not to mention being forced to max Q instead of E which screws the vessel dmg even more. Malphite can tank a good few E's when lvl 10 with armor and still win, not to mention the times she misses E's, then malphite dmg on her becomes ridiculously high.
@@HippoMan5542 Malphite is a notorious statchecker lmao what a dumb example. Tell me what any of the many champions malphite counters are supposed to do.
As much as I hate illaoi, I love her for the same reasons. She really fulfills the power fantasy of being able to 1v5 and split. I will admit it's frustrating and unfun to play vs, hell it's even unsatisfying to play often, but I just love her anyways
Knowledge check like someone said, if you are better than your opponent, she is perfect to climb. She punishes skill issue hard (no need to rely on ur brainlet silver team).
I think her e should work more like it does in lore. I think her test of spirit should force you fight and cut the duration and damage or run and deal with the tentacles for longer. I think her hitting the spirit while you're close should also reduce the damage you take. This way you're fighting for your soul as a mini game rather than having to run
Credit where it’s due, I really like her visual and lore design. For variety’s sake, it’s always nice to see female characters in games that aren’t just supermodels in skin-tight or skimpy outfits (which, to be fair, is not *at all* a Riot specific issue); plus, given that the Hawaiian god Kanaloa is often depicted as an octopus, her worshipping a kraken god feels like a neat nod to Polynesian mythology. That said, gameplay-wise, I see no lies here; even as a newer player, I got very quickly annoyed playing against her just a couple of times. Great video as always!
Yeah the biggest problem for me in lane isn't her tentacles but how her trading pattern works out. If she misses E, she backs off, if she lands it, she bum rushes in and will almost ALWAYS win. I can usually go even in lane with an Illaoi, but I rarely win and I almost always end up losing late game due to her ult. However, no other bruiser in the game has the coverage that she has. The fact she can get up to 6 tentacles from ult and they all attack really fast and can deal immense amount of damage is frustrating because no matter how many items she has, if she can survive getting her ult + W off, she will almost ALWAYS kill someone.
There are literally many ways to resolve ur issues, like she literally can't farm without e and tentacles nearby, ur jungler can rescue u (and illaoi being even slightly behind in currnet state is non-existant if u don't make many mistakes). Especially in late game she's non-existant unless ur 120cs behind and 2 lvls behind in late. You can always swap with ur midlaner if u dont feel comfy and ranged top is gonna be can*er for her. She has mana problems, try ur best to keep her in lane with low mana (or cause her to lose a wave or whatever). These were some. Anything else - skill issue.
As a semi Illaoi main with over 500k mastery on her, I almost never play her in ranked becuase of the exact reasons u mentioned. She's honestly just a knowledge check champion, if they know not to fight after u E them, you just end up feeling useless😭
So enemy fails, gets punished for having a skill issue "knowledge check", if you are the better player with more knowledge in lowelo, then you are skill gapping the opponent, thus winning games and being the result of high wr in lowelo, better players annihilating hardstucks and you are supposed to be punished for that?
@@PiotrKThat’s good design then? You win by knowledge checking new players or you stand there and do nothing if they avoid you. See why no one likes your champ?
As an Illaoi hater I recommend you try manamune and lethality items. That makes the lane unbearable for the enemy. Just don't play that against me please
Illaoi the champion that baits your jungle into a 1v2 in top lane(no matter how many times you ping them away) only to end up feeding her 2 kills. Now she's EVERYONES problem
it's frustrating that you are punished for running away or fighting illaoi. fight back? exactly what she wants so that she gets more tentacles to smash you with run away? you become a vessel, have a massive slow inflicted and now tentacles are summoning in your location to smash you so that you can't just stand still and recall after successfully getting away
@@Lin_Nascimento If you let her get close enough to point-blank E and she's still in range of tentacles that's your fault. She needs at least 2 otherwise you can just tank the damage and kill her. She has very clear weaknesses.
@@shulamitwhatsittoya6550 You need to farm, so you have to walk up to her, then she just W and E. And if you let her push the lane, she just punishes you under turret when you go for a last hit
An issue I have with her is her inconsistent teamfight presence: sometimes she'll solo wipe her opponents, most of the time she does nothing literal nothing. I'd take inspiration from LOR where Nagakabouros is an "oh shit" moment, conditional yes but if met its overwhelming pressure. Imagine if R lowered the passive cooldown based on the number of opponents hit (the passive remains at the reduced value for the ult duration), so that it feels like you're truly fighting both the muscle mommy and the tentacle kaiju simultaneously and even if Illaoi is forced to move from her spot she's still getting tentacles to work with.
This is kinda nice as a suggestion ngl. Btw as for her teamfight presence, as always it's all a matter of E landed or not. If she does and the opponents fight, you just destroy them more often than not. If she doesn't, she just dies miserably.
"Just dodge E every 10 or so seconds and kill the passive tentacles while not getting into W range and you must freeze the lane eternally under your tower it's not that hard you will just be 50 cs behind at all times, ohh and specifically tell your team to never gank you"
As an Illaoi main (have over 750,000 points on her), I do really enjoy her gameplay, but I do understand why she is hated so much. I do know her weaknesses/counterpicks. I don’t mind her inconsistency, as I normally pick her depending on who the enemy team has (so wouldn’t pick her if they have 3 or more ranged champs etc. so have a pretty high win rate with her as I only pick her if I know that she is good/will win
i used to main her im at 2.5 mil, rn shes just horrendous, like shes a statcheck champ that is to weak to statcheck voli, gwen, fiora, aatrox or even sett. Meanwhile she remains demon status in pisslow and is therefore regarded as in a good spot, meanwhile before I could easily take master w her every season, but now I cant even play her to get out of diamond. Shes just a ruined champ
@@shaan2639 thing is she doesnt, voli r, plus e and w is actually enough at two items to tank illaois full combo with r and setup, and voli is also mobile and can just walk out of her r which he should unless he is dumb, and aatrox is just aatrox look at the math its absurd tbh
The worst thing they did was remove the, you know, test of Illaoi. Whether you stood and fought, you could make a mistake, you could misread the damage levels or you mistep and land in the wrong spot. Fighting her for her E made the engagements exciting, because you *could* win, but you could also lose. Now unless you dodge E, you lose. At least as a normal top lane champion.
Yup, shes an annoying champ that requires an annoying opponent. When I see iloiaoioia I pick anivia with grasp. pre 6 is all about farming and stacking as much grasp as I can while playing like a little baby. Rush RoA (heartsteel if you're a man's man) and once I reach 6, her E is useless because I just save my ult for when she manages to land her E. Drop ult down on the spirit and now she is fighting passive damage and risking my E damage. If she fights my spirit after eating an E, shes gunna get stunned eat another E and walled in my ult, thats massive damage, even with heartsteel and little to no AP. If she ults, I just stun her, wall up, and walk away, fuck that mess. Another plus to anivia into illiioiao is that anivia auto range gives her the ability to clear pesky tentacles relatively safely. Ilioiaoi is slow so when she comes to fight I can q her, or just back off. Team usually thinks I'm trolling with this pick, but it's worked very well many times against her.
@@lillyieyea but the difference is that those champs you just named don’t solely rely on those abilities to do what they do best. Illaoi does. Not that I don’t think “just dodge it” is bad advice but the example just wasn’t great
@@Step43099 To be fair I've seen Illaoi completely fucking destroy people even if she completely misses her E. Then I ask the Illaoi about it in chat and she just laughs and says "idk Illaoi moment" lol Not particularly mega fed either or anything mind you. Yes E is insane but like... She can be kinda scary even without it.
My biggest annoyance with Illaoi used to be all of the bugs (on top of everything mentioned in this video....) and thigns that just are not/weren't said ANYWHERE. I think it may say it now (not sure), but for a while after she was released, there was ZERO mention that her tentacles were invincible, INSTANTLY SLAMMED, and DID NOT SHOW THE HIT BOX during her ult. Very often it would happen where a tentacle would spawn soon after Illaoi used W in her Ult, and the damage of the tentacle would both happen before the tentacle would be visually seen AND it would not have a visible hit box, giving you damn near only an auditory queue that you were gonna get hit. The fact that non of that was even stated anywhere is criminal.
I once had a game, in which our bot fed the enemy and went AFK, but rest of us got fed and we won 3v5, we were playing Yi, Illaoi and I played Viktor. Gotta say, having borderline unkillable tank was very much appreciated.
With yorick you just kill the ghouls and the maiden first. Illaoi ult makes tentacles intargetable so it's not the same although I do understand your point.
I have a few ideas on how to fix Illaoi to make her more consistent and less frustrating to deal with. Just note I’m not a top lane main and I’m roughly talking about ideas here. -Reduce the damage her Passive tentacles can deal to the pulled spirit with her E and reduce the current healing the Tentacles gives to Illaoi when they just attack the spirit -Have her manually place down her Passive Tentacles instead of them randomly spawning. I imagine like Fiddlesticks, you would be able to have a different trinket slot where you are able to place tentacles instead of Wards and they can only be placed next to walls. To account for this, the Tentacles would give some vision -Move the slow from her E (after breaking the spirit) to her W. Meaning you have to be in her threat range to get slowed instead of her just spamming E and breaking your spirit with a chance to miss it. -Bring back the mechanic to fight for your spirit back. Attacking her would cause your spirit to come back faster without getting cursed. -Her Q gives her more healing and damage when she hits an enemy champion compared to the passive tentacles These are my ideas to move her away from zoning enemies out in lane and over reliance on her E to discourage the interactions to her wanting to engage against enemy champions like a regular Juggernaut would while keeping her theme. Her E should function as an assist with counter play not a determining factor in a fight.
Last time I played against Illaoi, I really felt how not getting hit by E makes the matchup totally free, way playing Gwen and pressed W everytime I wanted to engage, and everytime the E went right through me and I could just run her down like that. It was so incredible how this one ability makes or breaks this champ!
In my experience, Illaoi is one of the only champs that are equally threatening while behind. I've had way too many experiences where I'm losing as Illaoi, or I'm ahead of an enemy Illaoi, only for some hapless jungler to even the lane by mistakenly believing they can 1v1 her in her ult.
Illaoi is frustrating. The balance or strength is not even the worst issue, it's the frustration, that you can be up on her the whole game, canceling her and dodging e's... If she get's you on a e and ults, you still loose. I'm playing a tactical team x team game, not touhou!
She just sooooooo annoying to lane against on top of being able to heal and sustain in fights as long as her tentacles hit something. Not to mention she is just gonna walk straight to the Nexus since she’ll have Gauntlet and Demolish to destroy turret and slow win lane
I am a 3,000,000 million point illaoi main made it to diamond with her in season 14-1 willing to answer questions about her that anyone has, but one thing I think people need to be aware of is that going even with her in lane and not taking fights effectively will shut her out of the game she needs to be ahead to do anything her dream is to be side lane 3-0 and win a 1v3, but if she is 0-0-0 then she will not have the combat power to win that. This is why she is so good in low elo and bad in high elo. In high elo, ego fights happen less often, so she does not get ahead, but in low elo they will fight just because thus giving her a chance to become exodia.
Illaoi is one of the most fun champions in the game, plus her lore is great. Riot needs to release more champions like that, control juggernaut is just the ultimate power fantasy. Also every ability in her kit has some sort of counterplay, as noted by her winrate sharp decline as you move up in ranks
I'm a significantly invested Illaoi main. I like to think of the game as my Illoai mini game where the rules of the rift are a bit different for me. I can disregard many things that are certain death for most any other champ and I just apply pressure until they lose through me or from my team having a numbers advantage anywhere else because you need more than 1 to stop my push
I’d like to see a video like this for seraphine. A champ designed for midlane, who players mostly played support yet she has the highest winrate as APC.
I think Illaoi is simultaneously one of the most unique and well designed champions in the entire game while also being a huge design error. *COMPLETELY NAILED* the feel of an area denial juggernaut + mage. I mean absolutely nailed it. Tell me you dont FEEL like a beefy monster who owns her turf when you play her. You cant. Problem with that is...*Neutral focused + juggernaut mage* shouldnt really exist.
Im a relativr new lol player, ive been playing like 10 months now, and the first character i liked playing is illaoi, i liked her concept, her design, and how she didnt seem cheasy to me like shaco, teemo, or set. And i found she is hard to play for the make or break of e. She can be broken, but mostly if people keep their cool and run away from tje ulti (like most ulties) she doesnt seem more annoying then most champions.
Illaoi needs bigger mana problems. If she’s going to sustain heavily when hitting abilities, it needs to come at a cost. It feels like she can just stay in lane forever and never die as long as she lands her abilities. Gragas in a similar light has a very powerful kit but he is held back by steep mana costs. It makes it so every ability you use matters, and the difference between bad gragas and a good gragas is how well they use those abilities before their first back. Illaoi doesn’t have that. She’s encouraged to spam her abilities and as long as she holds on her E. It really feels like you need ganks to be able to survive against that champion, and she has tools like her ult that literally counter the ability to gank her, which makes her bait in lower elos.
Her E has proven to be ineffective or TOO effective, making it such a feast or famine power, and the fact that her entire kit revolves around her E really does not help. It might be better if her E instead became a sort of tentacle taunt pointer with a lower cooldown, somewhat similar to Veigar's W. Hitting E with at least one tentacle will cause another to spawn nearby and try to strike the enemy once more. This significantly weakens her E, but can still be powerful while allowing other parts of her kit to potentially shine. Her R can reset and lower the E cooldown further. While this won't solve the tentacle minigame one has to play with her, this will solve the E feast or famine issue that's the largest part of her kit.
Vars I am begging on my hands and knees please stop calling battlemages control mages, the term control mage is oxymoronic since the main thing it describes is something that is universal to all mage subclasses Edit: there already is a class/subclass of champs specifically all about area control called specialists. Champs like Heimer, Azir, Chogath and Gangplank all find their home here.
You can build her hybrid and it will work. Her passive is where all her actual damage is, and it has hybrid scaling. This means you can build things like Liandry's Torment and Collector together and now have tentacles that burn you, and that burn executes you when you reach low health. The AP scaling is less than the AD scaling, and *only* her passive has the AP scaling directly, but you can always get much more AP than AD, evening it out. So basically she's a character that can build tanky, like an assassin, like a mage, like a bruiser, or anywhere in between and still function well.
@IIIlIl Liandrys collector is troll on anyone without hybrid scaling. With hybrid scaling, you get the DoT, stats, and damage amp from Liandrys and the execute from Collector. Characters like Xin Zhao really enjoy the combo. (Xin passive, W, and R are hybrid and his E is ap scaling) Every bit of damage Illaoi is really doing comes from tentacles, and ita hybrid scaling so its not as much of a negative as it seems.
@@DillonMeyer it's misleading at best to say Illaoi id a hybrid scaling champ. She has a 40% on her passive as her one and only AP scaling. The fact that you can get more AP than AD doesn't make up for that, when she has 3 other abilities scaling with AD. By that logic you could say that Malz with liandry into collector is a good build.
being a 5/0 Darius vs a 0/5 illaoi always feels like you are fighting for your life despite statchecking her i can somehow still loose the 1 vs 1 if i don't dodge her abilities. being a 0/5 Darius vs 5/0 illaoi feels like their is nothing you can do except accept the fact that you have indeed loose your test of spirit.
I dont think that Illaoi's problem is that she is a control mage/juggernaut combo. Its the nature of which she does it, E is a very unique ability and what is actually frustrating.
if im not miss remember becoming a vessel use to also last a minute on original illaoi, and she spawned a tentacle around the vessel every 10 seconds... that sounds like a different kinda torture than current illaoi, but still torture edit: yep, but u can also kill 3 tentacles to end the effect as well back the, thats still at least 20ish seconds having to be on your toes
hot take, Illaoi is actually one of the best designed champions and is unironically fun to fight against by dodging her tentacles. her only problem is her E, that ability is so asinine that it ruins her completely and the fact that it still exists is utterly, inconceivably baffling.
I really hate how people just call everything one shot. Caitlyn hitting you in a trap and killing you? One shot on squishies, or instagbing you along her Q and E. Anivia hitting all her combo and ulti for 2 rotations? Just called big dmg and killled you. Yone? Sustained one shoting, and burst per second
4:12 She can't oneshot you unless she stacks a good number of tentacles.. The video: Illaoi uses R and 3-4 Tentacles Magically appears out of nowhere, oneshotting two enemies. lmao xd
I hate how every Illaoi discussion people keep bringing how if she misses her E she becomes a minion which is FAR from the truth lol If she misses her E she will R and then get perma resets and W you to death She can also W first with iceborn and AFTER then E, instead of blindly E'ing first
@shulamitwhatsittoya6550 really? I played against her many times, always hide behind minions so she never gets to use E, I hate her R more than her e for how much it heals her and does dmg. You have no choice but to back off
I think Illaoi is in need if a light rework, at least to her E alone. What i'd do is make Test of Spirit a short range hook that pulls in the champ, with a passive component that when Illoai hits the enemy enough times (4-5 ability or auto hits) their spirit is detached from them. *BUT*, tentactles only do 100% AD for the first hit, than do about 70-60%. Also reintroducing the ability to contest the spirit, possibly giving a small speed boost if the enemy won so they can get out if they traded too much. Any ideas of your own?
Video covers a lot of the points. Unfortunately it misses the fact that the moment mages/adc players start using their brain you are never realistically landing an e on someone. It’s horribly slow and has a tiny hit box and most players should be able to dodge it. They can also take out your tentacles from range to remove any threat from you actually hitting an e on someone. Iceborn won’t help you if you never get in range which any adc player properly spacing you will not
Test of spirit being a grabby CC move would be nice, though it'd need to be changed a bit so it not just...well another blitzcrank hook or something. Dunno how to do that though, lot of hooking moves in the game hrmmm.
I hate playing against Illaoi. They often build full ad early and I signed up for toplane not Touhou. Muramana Illaoi is some truly illegal damage. She can miss her E but one W + tentacle hit easily does half you hp. Not to mention the insane waveclear. Also who thought 80% slow for 1.5s was even remotely OK?
my main gripe with illaoi is that every other time that io play against her ikt seems like she's 2/5, 1 item at 2 minutes and lands one e on the adc and proceeds to solo quadra kill my jungle, mid, supp and adc because why not. she is one of the only champions in toplane who genuinly seems to not care about gold at all and output bullshit amounts of damage even one or even 2 full items behind, i play fiora and quite often I'll assume i can just steamroll her only for the level 9 illaoi to 1shot me at level 12 by clicking the funny r button. if nothing else lowering her base numbers in favour of higher scalings would make her less oppressive in lane and give her less of an ability to completely ignore gold and exp leads
Before I even watch, I know everything you are gonna say. I mained her to low Diamond. I love her design, her lore, I main her and Ekko in 2XKO. It makes me real sad how untapped her kit is due to shitty design.
her kit is bad, but it becomes good in low elos because pisslows cant play into a what makes a champ weak instead they play when they are the strongest. In a way I think Illaoi is actually on paper a good design because she has clear strengths and weaknesses, but smth like that wont work in LoL where nowadays a champ is supposed to be able to do everything
There is a difference between battle and control mages.. battle mages are useally busty and like to be up in everyones face or rather close... a control mage has AOE and utility with mid damage (Control mages have mid damage, cooldowns, and range, and are rather slow) (battle mages have high damage, lower cooldowns, low range "not melee", and could be faster then other mages)
The problem with illaoi is 100% her gameplay patterns because of her e. EVERY matchup with he goes as such. Did she land her E? If yes - you lose. No other gameplay matters. Gg skill issue If no - she fucks off to 800 range for 8 seconds until her e is back up, the. Repeat Idk about you all, but i signed up to play league of legends, not literal dodgeball.
I feel like one of the mistake Riot always do with these type of champion is they give scaling to something that should not scale. Probably just me but i dont think Illaoi E should have scaling. I havent touch League for a while so people can call bs on my take as much as you like.
I love how this video wants to talk about how illaoi is "badly designed" but the first example of this is how she escapes from both fiora and yasuo because she 100% since she missed her E only for the fiora to waste her exhaust while everyone decides it's a good idea to gang up on her. Like I get it man, I struggle with morde but cmmon this is noob behavior.
Illaoi is completely fine as a champion right now. Her entire gameplay comes down to landing E. Ppl just are impatient and don't want to play the game. I find Fiora's minigame far more annoying than Illaoi.
What's RIGHT with Illaoi? 1. She's one of less than 5 muscle mommies in the game. 2. She's a big fan of Braum. 3. Hentai jokes. That's all you need, really.
Her E has to be one of the most frustrating abilities in the game FOR EVERYBODY. If she misses, that's it, she becomes half a champion. She hits, you cannot trade back no matter what.
before there was actually counterplay to her spirit. if your spirit gets grabbed, attacking illaoi reduces it's duration. if you become a vessel, kill 3 tentacles to get rid of the debuff, but riot found that to be too much counterplay so they removed them
Just to make her that much more annoying I will on occaision take her bot and just say “ok but I hit you from a safe place and now you lost a quarter of your health”
@@atsukana1704with a darius "ok, you lost"
I used to find illaoi super annoying. Once i realised that my mindshare while playing the lane can literally just tunnel vision on dodging E it becomes alot more fun. Compared to say, aatrox or riven who can infinitely spam high-pressure, mix-upable esoteric micro checks at you. With illaoi all i need to do is laser focus on not getting hit by E whenever i am not behind a minion (or her Q if i am). Then i am free to do whatever i want for 16 seconds where i know she has 0 outplay agency.
Also try dodging perfectly perpendicular. it's rlly unintuitive since we normally dodge diagonally to also create distance but she is immobile, and if she autoattack gap closes after whiffing E that just makes ur punish easier. Hit the minion wave to deny her the E under tower angle. If shes trying to E you under tower just concede farming the wave if you cant be bothered trying to dodge. When the tower has to shoot an extra time to kill minions (since u are not doing the last hit), the next wave will start on your side. Which is easier and safer for you and potentially starts a slow push
@@shanegale6143 yea but if she hits you dont get to play for few mins, its not normal
DELETE HER
The biggest mistake was removing the ability to contest her E ability
If she spirit grabbed you, you fight back so she would cause less damage by having that spirit disappear faster. It was both good counter play, and fit her character perfectly. Illaoi is the type of character who would be thrilled to see someone fight back
EXACTLY - i loved her soo much, beating her felt like soloing a raid boss, yet it felt fair
now her E is toxic af
I think the reason they removed that is because in high elo she was bad since they always fought back. Meaning she would have her most crucial ability gone pretty much.
Thing is though it does allow you to move the power budget away from her e and more into possibly even reworking her other abilities.
I have had the thought for a while now that it would be neat if her w did something different and instead her q would tell her tentacles to attack a target location so you can try and use it to predict enemy movements.
I think that was a mistake, but the bigger mistake was buffing her passive range instead of trying to find a different solution. Any adc player can tell you just how much of a difference a range gap can make, and that's effectively what they gave her. Not to mention that because of how she specifically works, it went from a maximum of 3 naturally spawned tentacles hitting a given point to 4 being able to hit that same point because they didn't increase the minimum distance between them when they did so.
The issue is that fighting back against illaoi with E made it disappear within literal seconds, not only causing her to lose a big chunk of her dps but also losing the ability for her tentacles to auto slap. That's the problem with illaoi in general: she either has TOO much counterplay or NO counterplay.
@@VarsVerum I think the workaround for it would have been making her damage more frontloaded on hitting her slam skillshot, her E no longer damages but slows and gradually increases the longer and further you are from the spirit
so fighting back IS your option unless you have dashes to just zoom out
her kit is great, just needs reworking and passing around values
4:06 fastest Senna ult reaction time
because shes the only champ where you still have to play by her rules even when shes 0 and 14, just pray the illaoi player is trash and your team doesn't just stand in her tentacles. the amount of jglers ive had that just run in 2 lvls down and get one shotted by her ult is insane
So you just admitted losing to illaoi is skill issue, just like lowelo wr on her is.
@@PiotrK you can't just have an overpowered champ and say "well there's still some way to beat her"
She should be rewarding when played well. Not rewarded by doing one thing right and 15 wrong
@@UndeadAlv "overpowered" champ is actually delusional from lowelo
True. As an illaoi player i love these junglers XD always give me a double kill XD
@@PiotrKshe is overpowered her counterplay is to dodge skillshots which won’t happen all the time unless the illaoi is fighting without hands
Illaoi is a juggernaut. Juggernauts struggle against characters with mobility, but dominate immobile characters. To fix this, Riot made Illaoi even worse against mobile champions she already loses to anyway, while being even stronger against immobile characters she already beats anyway. Truly a masterful design.
Illaoi is a prime example of the dangers of having too much counterplay. Because everything in her kit is so counterable, the reward on her successful hits has to be massive. This is why she’s always been notoriously powerful in the lower divisions. They need to ironically take some interactivity out of her kit in exchange for lower raw power.
Because lower divisons are skill issue, the better players on illaoi in lowelo win because they are simply better and not a champ issue. Any altering to that by riot is "wanting people to be hardstuck, even if they are much better than current division"
Ok smart guy, tf is malphite gonna do in that lane? He can’t dodge anything and once she lands E, it’s over. He literally can stack armor and she will still kill him just through raw sustain.
@@HippoMan5542 youre speaking as if laning phase is the only phase, or rather the entirerty of the game as a whole. even if malphite has a rougher than usual start that doesnt mean he cant be impactful litterally 10 minutes later or god forbid he roams and gets a couple picks from some random ass teamfight happening mid or jungle and makes his rougher lane phase actually pretty comfy.
@@HippoMan5542 Bruh that is literally only temporary because don't forget her passive dmg was nerfed, she needs at least 2-3 tentacles to kill the vessel or deal any decent dmg. Not to mention being forced to max Q instead of E which screws the vessel dmg even more. Malphite can tank a good few E's when lvl 10 with armor and still win, not to mention the times she misses E's, then malphite dmg on her becomes ridiculously high.
@@HippoMan5542 Malphite is a notorious statchecker lmao what a dumb example. Tell me what any of the many champions malphite counters are supposed to do.
As much as I hate illaoi, I love her for the same reasons. She really fulfills the power fantasy of being able to 1v5 and split. I will admit it's frustrating and unfun to play vs, hell it's even unsatisfying to play often, but I just love her anyways
Knowledge check like someone said, if you are better than your opponent, she is perfect to climb. She punishes skill issue hard (no need to rely on ur brainlet silver team).
@@PiotrK Not really. She’s just punishing, for everyone. Bad champion design.
I think her e should work more like it does in lore. I think her test of spirit should force you fight and cut the duration and damage or run and deal with the tentacles for longer. I think her hitting the spirit while you're close should also reduce the damage you take. This way you're fighting for your soul as a mini game rather than having to run
Credit where it’s due, I really like her visual and lore design. For variety’s sake, it’s always nice to see female characters in games that aren’t just supermodels in skin-tight or skimpy outfits (which, to be fair, is not *at all* a Riot specific issue); plus, given that the Hawaiian god Kanaloa is often depicted as an octopus, her worshipping a kraken god feels like a neat nod to Polynesian mythology.
That said, gameplay-wise, I see no lies here; even as a newer player, I got very quickly annoyed playing against her just a couple of times.
Great video as always!
Yeah the biggest problem for me in lane isn't her tentacles but how her trading pattern works out.
If she misses E, she backs off, if she lands it, she bum rushes in and will almost ALWAYS win.
I can usually go even in lane with an Illaoi, but I rarely win and I almost always end up losing late game due to her ult. However, no other bruiser in the game has the coverage that she has. The fact she can get up to 6 tentacles from ult and they all attack really fast and can deal immense amount of damage is frustrating because no matter how many items she has, if she can survive getting her ult + W off, she will almost ALWAYS kill someone.
There are literally many ways to resolve ur issues, like she literally can't farm without e and tentacles nearby, ur jungler can rescue u (and illaoi being even slightly behind in currnet state is non-existant if u don't make many mistakes). Especially in late game she's non-existant unless ur 120cs behind and 2 lvls behind in late.
You can always swap with ur midlaner if u dont feel comfy and ranged top is gonna be can*er for her. She has mana problems, try ur best to keep her in lane with low mana (or cause her to lose a wave or whatever). These were some. Anything else - skill issue.
As a semi Illaoi main with over 500k mastery on her, I almost never play her in ranked becuase of the exact reasons u mentioned. She's honestly just a knowledge check champion, if they know not to fight after u E them, you just end up feeling useless😭
So enemy fails, gets punished for having a skill issue "knowledge check", if you are the better player with more knowledge in lowelo, then you are skill gapping the opponent, thus winning games and being the result of high wr in lowelo, better players annihilating hardstucks and you are supposed to be punished for that?
@@PiotrKThat’s good design then? You win by knowledge checking new players or you stand there and do nothing if they avoid you. See why no one likes your champ?
As an Illaoi hater I recommend you try manamune and lethality items. That makes the lane unbearable for the enemy. Just don't play that against me please
Illaoi the champion that baits your jungle into a 1v2 in top lane(no matter how many times you ping them away) only to end up feeding her 2 kills. Now she's EVERYONES problem
it's frustrating that you are punished for running away or fighting illaoi.
fight back? exactly what she wants so that she gets more tentacles to smash you with
run away? you become a vessel, have a massive slow inflicted and now tentacles are summoning in your location to smash you so that you can't just stand still and recall after successfully getting away
Punished for having skill issue.
Just dodge e
@@gotnthinonmeh644 And how do you do it at point blank range when you're fighting her?
@@Lin_Nascimento If you let her get close enough to point-blank E and she's still in range of tentacles that's your fault.
She needs at least 2 otherwise you can just tank the damage and kill her.
She has very clear weaknesses.
@@shulamitwhatsittoya6550 You need to farm, so you have to walk up to her, then she just W and E. And if you let her push the lane, she just punishes you under turret when you go for a last hit
An issue I have with her is her inconsistent teamfight presence: sometimes she'll solo wipe her opponents, most of the time she does nothing literal nothing.
I'd take inspiration from LOR where Nagakabouros is an "oh shit" moment, conditional yes but if met its overwhelming pressure. Imagine if R lowered the passive cooldown based on the number of opponents hit (the passive remains at the reduced value for the ult duration), so that it feels like you're truly fighting both the muscle mommy and the tentacle kaiju simultaneously and even if Illaoi is forced to move from her spot she's still getting tentacles to work with.
This is kinda nice as a suggestion ngl.
Btw as for her teamfight presence, as always it's all a matter of E landed or not. If she does and the opponents fight, you just destroy them more often than not. If she doesn't, she just dies miserably.
"Just dodge E every 10 or so seconds and kill the passive tentacles while not getting into W range and you must freeze the lane eternally under your tower it's not that hard you will just be 50 cs behind at all times, ohh and specifically tell your team to never gank you"
As an Illaoi main (have over 750,000 points on her), I do really enjoy her gameplay, but I do understand why she is hated so much. I do know her weaknesses/counterpicks. I don’t mind her inconsistency, as I normally pick her depending on who the enemy team has (so wouldn’t pick her if they have 3 or more ranged champs etc. so have a pretty high win rate with her as I only pick her if I know that she is good/will win
i used to main her im at 2.5 mil, rn shes just horrendous, like shes a statcheck champ that is to weak to statcheck voli, gwen, fiora, aatrox or even sett. Meanwhile she remains demon status in pisslow and is therefore regarded as in a good spot, meanwhile before I could easily take master w her every season, but now I cant even play her to get out of diamond. Shes just a ruined champ
Tbh she is boring as fk to play with or against
@@AugustEriksson-qp1ubshe beats voli & aatrox what are you smoking…
@@shaan2639 thing is she doesnt, voli r, plus e and w is actually enough at two items to tank illaois full combo with r and setup, and voli is also mobile and can just walk out of her r which he should unless he is dumb, and aatrox is just aatrox look at the math its absurd tbh
The worst thing they did was remove the, you know, test of Illaoi. Whether you stood and fought, you could make a mistake, you could misread the damage levels or you mistep and land in the wrong spot. Fighting her for her E made the engagements exciting, because you *could* win, but you could also lose. Now unless you dodge E, you lose. At least as a normal top lane champion.
Yup, shes an annoying champ that requires an annoying opponent. When I see iloiaoioia I pick anivia with grasp. pre 6 is all about farming and stacking as much grasp as I can while playing like a little baby. Rush RoA (heartsteel if you're a man's man) and once I reach 6, her E is useless because I just save my ult for when she manages to land her E. Drop ult down on the spirit and now she is fighting passive damage and risking my E damage. If she fights my spirit after eating an E, shes gunna get stunned eat another E and walled in my ult, thats massive damage, even with heartsteel and little to no AP. If she ults, I just stun her, wall up, and walk away, fuck that mess. Another plus to anivia into illiioiao is that anivia auto range gives her the ability to clear pesky tentacles relatively safely. Ilioiaoi is slow so when she comes to fight I can q her, or just back off.
Team usually thinks I'm trolling with this pick, but it's worked very well many times against her.
"Just dodge E" - 🐄
that applies to all champions though
just dodge ashe's giant arrow
just dodge nidalee's spear
just dodge morgana's bind
@@lillyieyea but the difference is that those champs you just named don’t solely rely on those abilities to do what they do best. Illaoi does. Not that I don’t think “just dodge it” is bad advice but the example just wasn’t great
@@Step43099 To be fair I've seen Illaoi completely fucking destroy people even if she completely misses her E. Then I ask the Illaoi about it in chat and she just laughs and says "idk Illaoi moment" lol
Not particularly mega fed either or anything mind you. Yes E is insane but like... She can be kinda scary even without it.
@@sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149 As an Illaoi player trust me I know. I just meant her E and R are her biggest threat buttons compared to her Q and W
My biggest annoyance with Illaoi used to be all of the bugs (on top of everything mentioned in this video....) and thigns that just are not/weren't said ANYWHERE.
I think it may say it now (not sure), but for a while after she was released, there was ZERO mention that her tentacles were invincible, INSTANTLY SLAMMED, and DID NOT SHOW THE HIT BOX during her ult. Very often it would happen where a tentacle would spawn soon after Illaoi used W in her Ult, and the damage of the tentacle would both happen before the tentacle would be visually seen AND it would not have a visible hit box, giving you damn near only an auditory queue that you were gonna get hit. The fact that non of that was even stated anywhere is criminal.
T1 gonna be mad when he sees this
I once had a game, in which our bot fed the enemy and went AFK, but rest of us got fed and we won 3v5, we were playing Yi, Illaoi and I played Viktor. Gotta say, having borderline unkillable tank was very much appreciated.
This could basically be used for the same reasons for Yorick as well actually
With yorick you just kill the ghouls and the maiden first. Illaoi ult makes tentacles intargetable so it's not the same although I do understand your point.
I have a few ideas on how to fix Illaoi to make her more consistent and less frustrating to deal with. Just note I’m not a top lane main and I’m roughly talking about ideas here.
-Reduce the damage her Passive tentacles can deal to the pulled spirit with her E and reduce the current healing the Tentacles gives to Illaoi when they just attack the spirit
-Have her manually place down her Passive Tentacles instead of them randomly spawning. I imagine like Fiddlesticks, you would be able to have a different trinket slot where you are able to place tentacles instead of Wards and they can only be placed next to walls. To account for this, the Tentacles would give some vision
-Move the slow from her E (after breaking the spirit) to her W. Meaning you have to be in her threat range to get slowed instead of her just spamming E and breaking your spirit with a chance to miss it.
-Bring back the mechanic to fight for your spirit back. Attacking her would cause your spirit to come back faster without getting cursed.
-Her Q gives her more healing and damage when she hits an enemy champion compared to the passive tentacles
These are my ideas to move her away from zoning enemies out in lane and over reliance on her E to discourage the interactions to her wanting to engage against enemy champions like a regular Juggernaut would while keeping her theme. Her E should function as an assist with counter play not a determining factor in a fight.
I'm surprised you didn't mention how insane her healing can be. 5% missing health per tentacle per champ hit.
I love Illaoi, she was one of the champions I saw that made me want to play league.
Now I play ADC because I hate myself, how times change
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Yo, boy deserves more recogniton. Cleanest Illaoi.
I would love if Illaoi's E was just a hook that spawns a tentacle or two. It'd still be annoying, but it'd feel more fair.
Last time I played against Illaoi, I really felt how not getting hit by E makes the matchup totally free, way playing Gwen and pressed W everytime I wanted to engage, and everytime the E went right through me and I could just run her down like that. It was so incredible how this one ability makes or breaks this champ!
Dirty Mobs shoutout!
0:41 thanks for reminding me how old I am 💀💀💀
Yeah, didn't that like that statistic at all 😅😭
In my experience, Illaoi is one of the only champs that are equally threatening while behind. I've had way too many experiences where I'm losing as Illaoi, or I'm ahead of an enemy Illaoi, only for some hapless jungler to even the lane by mistakenly believing they can 1v1 her in her ult.
Illaoi is frustrating. The balance or strength is not even the worst issue, it's the frustration, that you can be up on her the whole game, canceling her and dodging e's... If she get's you on a e and ults, you still loose. I'm playing a tactical team x team game, not touhou!
Everything's wrong with Illaoi
She used to be forced to take corrupting potion as she would run into mana issues. Hopefully the manna for level nerf will give her a weakness again.
Her ult should have a cast range .... it's call leap of faith 😅
She is pretty much in the same spot as Azir, if she is played well her output is huge. She literally yells how to counter her when she uses her Q.
VARS D: her E is literally telegraphed its her entire kit because thats the thematic 3: its made to TEST you
Unironically: Swarm Illaoi, where she regularly attacked and placed her tentacles was the first time I enjoyed playing her
@@food7479 Yeah she gets bursted easily in teamfights. Especially against fed mages.
She just sooooooo annoying to lane against on top of being able to heal and sustain in fights as long as her tentacles hit something. Not to mention she is just gonna walk straight to the Nexus since she’ll have Gauntlet and Demolish to destroy turret and slow win lane
I am a 3,000,000 million point illaoi main made it to diamond with her in season 14-1 willing to answer questions about her that anyone has, but one thing I think people need to be aware of is that going even with her in lane and not taking fights effectively will shut her out of the game she needs to be ahead to do anything her dream is to be side lane 3-0 and win a 1v3, but if she is 0-0-0 then she will not have the combat power to win that. This is why she is so good in low elo and bad in high elo. In high elo, ego fights happen less often, so she does not get ahead, but in low elo they will fight just because thus giving her a chance to become exodia.
Illaoi is one of the most fun champions in the game, plus her lore is great. Riot needs to release more champions like that, control juggernaut is just the ultimate power fantasy. Also every ability in her kit has some sort of counterplay, as noted by her winrate sharp decline as you move up in ranks
Sometimes the only counterplay against Illaoi is to dodge the game.
I'm a significantly invested Illaoi main. I like to think of the game as my Illoai mini game where the rules of the rift are a bit different for me. I can disregard many things that are certain death for most any other champ and I just apply pressure until they lose through me or from my team having a numbers advantage anywhere else because you need more than 1 to stop my push
I’d like to see a video like this for seraphine. A champ designed for midlane, who players mostly played support yet she has the highest winrate as APC.
I think Illaoi is simultaneously one of the most unique and well designed champions in the entire game while also being a huge design error.
*COMPLETELY NAILED* the feel of an area denial juggernaut + mage. I mean absolutely nailed it. Tell me you dont FEEL like a beefy monster who owns her turf when you play her. You cant.
Problem with that is...*Neutral focused + juggernaut mage* shouldnt really exist.
Im a relativr new lol player, ive been playing like 10 months now, and the first character i liked playing is illaoi, i liked her concept, her design, and how she didnt seem cheasy to me like shaco, teemo, or set. And i found she is hard to play for the make or break of e. She can be broken, but mostly if people keep their cool and run away from tje ulti (like most ulties) she doesnt seem more annoying then most champions.
Illaoi needs bigger mana problems. If she’s going to sustain heavily when hitting abilities, it needs to come at a cost. It feels like she can just stay in lane forever and never die as long as she lands her abilities. Gragas in a similar light has a very powerful kit but he is held back by steep mana costs. It makes it so every ability you use matters, and the difference between bad gragas and a good gragas is how well they use those abilities before their first back. Illaoi doesn’t have that. She’s encouraged to spam her abilities and as long as she holds on her E. It really feels like you need ganks to be able to survive against that champion, and she has tools like her ult that literally counter the ability to gank her, which makes her bait in lower elos.
Her E has proven to be ineffective or TOO effective, making it such a feast or famine power, and the fact that her entire kit revolves around her E really does not help.
It might be better if her E instead became a sort of tentacle taunt pointer with a lower cooldown, somewhat similar to Veigar's W. Hitting E with at least one tentacle will cause another to spawn nearby and try to strike the enemy once more. This significantly weakens her E, but can still be powerful while allowing other parts of her kit to potentially shine. Her R can reset and lower the E cooldown further. While this won't solve the tentacle minigame one has to play with her, this will solve the E feast or famine issue that's the largest part of her kit.
Vars I am begging on my hands and knees please stop calling battlemages control mages, the term control mage is oxymoronic since the main thing it describes is something that is universal to all mage subclasses
Edit: there already is a class/subclass of champs specifically all about area control called specialists. Champs like Heimer, Azir, Chogath and Gangplank all find their home here.
Yeah! Video topic I've been waiting on
Always a good day when vars posting
Imo as a Nasus one trick, they just need to undo the 9.13 change. If they put the counter play aspect back in she is far more balanced
I feel like this is a direct result of the Vel/Xer controvercy in the tier list😂
You can build her hybrid and it will work.
Her passive is where all her actual damage is, and it has hybrid scaling. This means you can build things like Liandry's Torment and Collector together and now have tentacles that burn you, and that burn executes you when you reach low health.
The AP scaling is less than the AD scaling, and *only* her passive has the AP scaling directly, but you can always get much more AP than AD, evening it out.
So basically she's a character that can build tanky, like an assassin, like a mage, like a bruiser, or anywhere in between and still function well.
Liandry's collector on Illaoi is a trollbuild if I ever saw one lol
@IIIlIl Liandrys collector is troll on anyone without hybrid scaling. With hybrid scaling, you get the DoT, stats, and damage amp from Liandrys and the execute from Collector.
Characters like Xin Zhao really enjoy the combo. (Xin passive, W, and R are hybrid and his E is ap scaling)
Every bit of damage Illaoi is really doing comes from tentacles, and ita hybrid scaling so its not as much of a negative as it seems.
@@DillonMeyer it's misleading at best to say Illaoi id a hybrid scaling champ. She has a 40% on her passive as her one and only AP scaling. The fact that you can get more AP than AD doesn't make up for that, when she has 3 other abilities scaling with AD. By that logic you could say that Malz with liandry into collector is a good build.
being a 5/0 Darius vs a 0/5 illaoi always feels like you are fighting for your life despite statchecking her i can somehow still loose the 1 vs 1 if i don't dodge her abilities.
being a 0/5 Darius vs 5/0 illaoi feels like their is nothing you can do except accept the fact that you have indeed loose your test of spirit.
I dont think that Illaoi's problem is that she is a control mage/juggernaut combo. Its the nature of which she does it, E is a very unique ability and what is actually frustrating.
She just needs a rework
I wonder what an artillery mage and juggernaut combo would be like.
if im not miss remember becoming a vessel use to also last a minute on original illaoi, and she spawned a tentacle around the vessel every 10 seconds... that sounds like a different kinda torture than current illaoi, but still torture
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yep, but u can also kill 3 tentacles to end the effect as well back the, thats still at least 20ish seconds having to be on your toes
Wow, i remember watching your rotmg streams a couple of years ago. Those were great times. Hope you're doing great❤
Can't believe it's been 4 years already
hot take, Illaoi is actually one of the best designed champions and is unironically fun to fight against by dodging her tentacles.
her only problem is her E, that ability is so asinine that it ruins her completely and the fact that it still exists is utterly, inconceivably baffling.
Everything Right: Her Dance Emote Spam
If Illaoi e was an actual hook like blitz hook that would be sick
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Illaoi gets any kind of CC and stops being a champion. The reason why she got a peak was the tenacity rune.
CC is completely broken in league
Ohh yes let me grab a snack, I waited for this episode for so long!
Illaois E must be point click. I dream for that dayy
Playing Renekton into Illaoi can be absolutely miserable
I think the biggest problem with Illaoi is her goddamn numbers. She has like %500-%550ish ad ratio at her full combo
I really hate how people just call everything one shot.
Caitlyn hitting you in a trap and killing you? One shot on squishies, or instagbing you along her Q and E.
Anivia hitting all her combo and ulti for 2 rotations? Just called big dmg and killled you.
Yone? Sustained one shoting, and burst per second
4:12 She can't oneshot you unless she stacks a good number of tentacles.. The video: Illaoi uses R and 3-4 Tentacles Magically appears out of nowhere, oneshotting two enemies. lmao xd
I hate how every Illaoi discussion people keep bringing how if she misses her E she becomes a minion which is FAR from the truth lol
If she misses her E she will R and then get perma resets and W you to death
She can also W first with iceborn and AFTER then E, instead of blindly E'ing first
Lmao only if she's like 5 kills up.
Literally every toplaner in the gane destroys Illaoi if she misses.
@shulamitwhatsittoya6550 really? I played against her many times, always hide behind minions so she never gets to use E, I hate her R more than her e for how much it heals her and does dmg. You have no choice but to back off
Thanks! Finally understands how much of a blight she is.
O. TY FOR THE DONO :O
@@VarsVerum np I've been watching you for about 2 years.
Edit: Everything Good About Yone when?
For so long I've waited for this moment
This just makes me want to play Ruined King for like the 3rd or 4th time now
4:38 i hope marksman class still be able to beat tanks :C (looking at you tahm kench)
I think Illaoi is in need if a light rework, at least to her E alone.
What i'd do is make Test of Spirit a short range hook that pulls in the champ, with a passive component that when Illoai hits the enemy enough times (4-5 ability or auto hits) their spirit is detached from them. *BUT*, tentactles only do 100% AD for the first hit, than do about 70-60%. Also reintroducing the ability to contest the spirit, possibly giving a small speed boost if the enemy won so they can get out if they traded too much. Any ideas of your own?
Video covers a lot of the points. Unfortunately it misses the fact that the moment mages/adc players start using their brain you are never realistically landing an e on someone. It’s horribly slow and has a tiny hit box and most players should be able to dodge it. They can also take out your tentacles from range to remove any threat from you actually hitting an e on someone. Iceborn won’t help you if you never get in range which any adc player properly spacing you will not
She’s my perma ban for a reason. It’s not that she literally can’t be beaten, but playing against her is so miserable I just refuse to do it.
Test of spirit being a grabby CC move would be nice, though it'd need to be changed a bit so it not just...well another blitzcrank hook or something. Dunno how to do that though, lot of hooking moves in the game hrmmm.
I hate playing against Illaoi. They often build full ad early and I signed up for toplane not Touhou. Muramana Illaoi is some truly illegal damage. She can miss her E but one W + tentacle hit easily does half you hp. Not to mention the insane waveclear.
Also who thought 80% slow for 1.5s was even remotely OK?
my main gripe with illaoi is that every other time that io play against her ikt seems like she's 2/5, 1 item at 2 minutes and lands one e on the adc and proceeds to solo quadra kill my jungle, mid, supp and adc because why not. she is one of the only champions in toplane who genuinly seems to not care about gold at all and output bullshit amounts of damage even one or even 2 full items behind, i play fiora and quite often I'll assume i can just steamroll her only for the level 9 illaoi to 1shot me at level 12 by clicking the funny r button. if nothing else lowering her base numbers in favour of higher scalings would make her less oppressive in lane and give her less of an ability to completely ignore gold and exp leads
Ahh my permaban hate this champ like no other
Tbh Yorick and Illaoi are both quite similar in a way
Before I even watch, I know everything you are gonna say.
I mained her to low Diamond.
I love her design, her lore, I main her and Ekko in 2XKO.
It makes me real sad how untapped her kit is due to shitty design.
her kit is bad, but it becomes good in low elos because pisslows cant play into a what makes a champ weak instead they play when they are the strongest. In a way I think Illaoi is actually on paper a good design because she has clear strengths and weaknesses, but smth like that wont work in LoL where nowadays a champ is supposed to be able to do everything
I love locking in Mord, rushing rylais then just standing on her
This champion is terrible guys come on
There is a difference between battle and control mages.. battle mages are useally busty and like to be up in everyones face or rather close... a control mage has AOE and utility with mid damage (Control mages have mid damage, cooldowns, and range, and are rather slow) (battle mages have high damage, lower cooldowns, low range "not melee", and could be faster then other mages)
The problem with illaoi is 100% her gameplay patterns because of her e. EVERY matchup with he goes as such.
Did she land her E?
If yes - you lose. No other gameplay matters. Gg skill issue
If no - she fucks off to 800 range for 8 seconds until her e is back up, the. Repeat
Idk about you all, but i signed up to play league of legends, not literal dodgeball.
Dirtymobs isn't even around anymore:(
Watching Magikarp used fly Actual Champion Spotlight after this.
I think Illaoi can be easily fixed with giving her less poke and as compesation actual CC
I still have scars from divine sunder illaoi. The fact that bullshit was allowed made me forever perma ban her
I feel like one of the mistake Riot always do with these type of champion is they give scaling to something that should not scale. Probably just me but i dont think Illaoi E should have scaling.
I havent touch League for a while so people can call bs on my take as much as you like.
I would rather fight Illaoi over Yone any day of the weak! She still has clear weaknesses that can be exploited
Nasus is more annoying but she is right there in 2nd place.
Time to take my lunch break
I love how this video wants to talk about how illaoi is "badly designed" but the first example of this is how she escapes from both fiora and yasuo because she 100% since she missed her E only for the fiora to waste her exhaust while everyone decides it's a good idea to gang up on her.
Like I get it man, I struggle with morde but cmmon this is noob behavior.
Illaoi is completely fine as a champion right now. Her entire gameplay comes down to landing E. Ppl just are impatient and don't want to play the game. I find Fiora's minigame far more annoying than Illaoi.
What's RIGHT with Illaoi?
1. She's one of less than 5 muscle mommies in the game.
2. She's a big fan of Braum.
3. Hentai jokes.
That's all you need, really.
Right on time for dinner
Used to hate illaoi, then I got good at the game she’s really easy to deal with