People who said that this was impossible were regular Starting Strength followers. If any serious scientist involved with hypertrophy research would make that claim today, they need to quit their job.
@@Huffman_Tree Most young regular starting strength followers have done better than the guy on the video. Also most "hypertropy"(which is a fictitious notion) researchers are clueless beyond hope.
Starting strength is a GREAT PROGRAMME! And no doubt it works. BUT you guys don’t do a very good job of marketing it when there’s videos all over RUclips of RIP telling everyone that women don’t find 6 packs and lean men attractive. Rips a killer coach and very entertaining! But he just projects on to everyone that they need to have a load of excess weight to make himself feel better about his excess weight
It isn't a program for trying to land on the cover of Muscle & Fitness. It's a program for getting strong. If you want to get strong, you have to let go of the obsession with maintaining a starvation-level bodyfat percentage.
I just started weight training at age 38 And did starting strength program. Squat went up from 185 for sets of 5 to 415 for sets of 5 in about 15 weeks. The program works!
@@jd0879 I think it’s possible to get your squat from 185 to 415 in 15 weeks if you stick to the plan and have some talent. 230 pounds spreads out in 15 weeks with three workouts in a week could be possible, it’s 5 pounds a workout on average. Consider at the beginning you could manage to hold 10 pounds jump each workout for 3-4 weeks, it’s quite possible to do that. The most difficult part of this statement is that for most people you don’t have 15 straight weeks to stick to, you will always get interrupted in real life and have to deload and do it again.
@@brentcarter4258 what's a taper? And no it wasn't, no way you can go from intermediate to advanced on starting strength, where are you taking that info from?
@@Deurhzd I'm his coach. I have his data. He was doing novice programming except for a couple weeks out for the meet where we tapered his volume down and drove his intensity up. Starting Strength takes people from novice to intermediate to advanced all the time. I think you might be referring to the Novice LP which is as the name would imply for novices. When it is time to transition you out of a novice program your Starting Strength coach is well versed in how to do this.
@@brentcarter4258 I see, so it's another program, not *the* Starting Strength program. Never heard of anything else being called Starting Strength. I assume you mean the kind of stuff that's in practical programming.
@@Deurhzd Lots of people get tripped up on this: SS is not a program it is a methodology. The programs contained in Practical Programing as part of the Starting Strength umbrella are programs and include the Novice Linear progression / 3x5. As I said before Charles was doing 3x5 adding weight to the bar every workout until about two weeks out from the meet where we tapered his bench and squat to get him used to doing some singles. Other than that it was vanilla Novice Linear Progression and built his strength using said program.
I love it! Nothing is impossible. I hit a 20lb deadlift PR a couple days ago and threw up all over myself in the process! The video is up on my channel if anyone is interested
Loved the video and was impressed and as a dexascan user myself over the years wanted to closely examine his numbers from his two scans, so I took a screenshot ......I was disappointed to see that the two scans are 10mos apart.... yes he said his training had not changed from his first dexa until july but there is no way, or evidence to completely exclude the possiblity that some of the improvements of two scans done 10mos apart didn't happen in the first 5mos or so when he was fooling around with weights on his own. Even if only 20% of the change was before July you wouldn't be able to attribute all of his progress to the 10 weeks of training which is the subject of this video. I thought it was misleading although I'm a huge believer and dont think this by any means detracts from SS or what he accomplished.
I am 47y old did stronglift last year and now a variation of starting strenght, my body changed like crazy and i am being accused of using steroids hahha its the best training ever at any age.
He started out fat at 235, lost weight overall the whole time he got stronger for a year. This is completely normal when you train correctly, which is somehow surprising to most people.
What is more interesting to me is that his deadlift,squat and bench are almost the same ! Myself, at 110 kilos, almost the same weight as him, 35 y.o., with best lifts 140 kg squat, 180 kg deadlift and 107 kg bench which are not anything extraordinary...Getting my bench over a 100 kilos was a huge thing to me ... did not come until doing it with slighly arched back, retracted shoulders and a lot of leg drive, AND spotter arms on my own rack... all these gym benches w/o spotter arms just dont let you max out safely ... Question : Is there anything in his anthropometry that actually causes his bench being so strong vs. squat and deadlift ?
@@BlargeMan he's right though...although it depends what you mean by "weight" cause scientifically you need the calories to be there otherwise you lose the fat in water and co2 and thus weight
@@BlargeMan Yes, absolutely true in every sense of the word. It is impossible for any human, anywhere on the planet, to gain a single ounce unless they're eating in a caloric surplus. You can't gain weight eating maintenance calories; eating maintenance makes you maintain your weight. You can't gain weight eating in a deficit; a deficit is a deficient amount of calories for your body's current caloric needs. The only possible way for someone to gain weight is to eat more calories than their body needs to maintain its current structure.
@@dariusgoatland10 there's empirical data showing that you can still gain some lean mass even while losing fat if you're largely untrained, while also losing fat. On balance you are losing weight, but you're still able to trade in *some* fat mass for muscle mass. You're right that they can't increase their overall bodyweight without a surplus though.
@@Larrybird1980 Lol, it can get more complicated when it comes to directing your composition towards fat loss or LBM gain, but gaining & losing weight comes down to eating a surplus or deficit. Maintenance makes you maintain, a surplus makes you gain, & a deficit is deficient for your current structure. Your body can not maintain itself when in a deficit, & it can not add mass to your frame eating maintenance.
@@Larrybird1980 no the literal definition of calorie surplus or deficit is whether you're losing or gaining (non-water) weight. The body might not be simple but these definitions are
@@AmishSicario Using the same machine and person would be important. It does matter where you start because if you were 30% body fat and went down 1-2% after gaining 10lbs that would be expected. It would mean you gained mostly muscle with about 25% fat. The standard deviation of the machine is also important. If you had three scans on three different days how consistent would the results be? From what I have read they are not that consistent. This means to me that the change is due to the variation in the machine and not in him.
@Starting Strength You lost me @13:05. I’ve never heard 60-100 grams of protein was enough for strength training. I’ve been taking in at least 225 grams of protein daily at a body weight of 214. Was his protein target lower because he was trying to lose fat?
60 is low but I usually eat only 120 or so and have more muscle than this guy so you don't need to go crazy. The more you eat though the better your body comp will be but it's probably not going to be much difference.
Just giftet dna. Look at his face, he has natural high testosteron. He isnt a good example for the average guy. Like rip said in the Book, on talented athlets everything works.
@@dariusgoatland10 He benched 225, which was probably detrained, that's why he quickly rose to 335. And most body mass comes from squats and deadlifts, at which he was a novice.
@@Deurhzd He wasn't training optimally but he still had extensive lifting experience which would make his progress - which, in 3 months, is 20 pounds greater than the standard 5 pounds a workout at a frequency of 1.5 workouts weekly - rather remarkable. The guy is benching his squat & deadlift.
I did better than that! I went to my first dexa fasted and then drank a gallon of milk before my second dexa. Gained 8lb of lean tissue in 30 minutes.
yeah but it wasnt in a peer reviewed journal with periodization so it's not science
/sarcasm
academics want control over what is and what isn't good methodology, so it's to be expected.
People who said that this was impossible were regular Starting Strength followers. If any serious scientist involved with hypertrophy research would make that claim today, they need to quit their job.
@@Huffman_Tree Most young regular starting strength followers have done better than the guy on the video. Also most "hypertropy"(which is a fictitious notion) researchers are clueless beyond hope.
@@senselessnothing lol
Lol he looks and sounds like an older Chris Evans! Great progress man!
Thanks man! That's a pretty awesome compliment! Much appreciated!
I can't unhear that now.
really impressive. bravo!
Starting strength is a GREAT PROGRAMME! And no doubt it works.
BUT you guys don’t do a very good job of marketing it when there’s videos all over RUclips of RIP telling everyone that women don’t find 6 packs and lean men attractive. Rips a killer coach and very entertaining! But he just projects on to everyone that they need to have a load of excess weight to make himself feel better about his excess weight
It isn't a program for trying to land on the cover of Muscle & Fitness. It's a program for getting strong. If you want to get strong, you have to let go of the obsession with maintaining a starvation-level bodyfat percentage.
This guy is killin it. Bravo.
I just started weight training at age 38 And did starting strength program. Squat went up from 185 for sets of 5 to 415 for sets of 5 in about 15 weeks. The program works!
Man you are pretty strong
@@kylewood303 that’s for sure a lie
@@jd0879 I think it’s possible to get your squat from 185 to 415 in 15 weeks if you stick to the plan and have some talent. 230 pounds spreads out in 15 weeks with three workouts in a week could be possible, it’s 5 pounds a workout on average. Consider at the beginning you could manage to hold 10 pounds jump each workout for 3-4 weeks, it’s quite possible to do that. The most difficult part of this statement is that for most people you don’t have 15 straight weeks to stick to, you will always get interrupted in real life and have to deload and do it again.
@@jd0879it is believable if he never failed a rep and never had to deload
he might have good genetics
Welcome back to in between two ferns
I’d like to see an explanation of his diet. Good video
Me too
he mentions it towards the end
no real changes other than supplementing creatine and protein shakes and adding more protein
11:05
That bench from 225 to 335 was definitely not just on Starting Strength 3x5.
Wish they'd have talked about it.
Actually it was... Plus a taper leading up to a meet.
@@brentcarter4258 what's a taper?
And no it wasn't, no way you can go from intermediate to advanced on starting strength, where are you taking that info from?
@@Deurhzd I'm his coach. I have his data. He was doing novice programming except for a couple weeks out for the meet where we tapered his volume down and drove his intensity up. Starting Strength takes people from novice to intermediate to advanced all the time. I think you might be referring to the Novice LP which is as the name would imply for novices. When it is time to transition you out of a novice program your Starting Strength coach is well versed in how to do this.
@@brentcarter4258 I see, so it's another program, not *the* Starting Strength program.
Never heard of anything else being called Starting Strength.
I assume you mean the kind of stuff that's in practical programming.
@@Deurhzd Lots of people get tripped up on this: SS is not a program it is a methodology. The programs contained in Practical Programing as part of the Starting Strength umbrella are programs and include the Novice Linear progression / 3x5. As I said before Charles was doing 3x5 adding weight to the bar every workout until about two weeks out from the meet where we tapered his bench and squat to get him used to doing some singles. Other than that it was vanilla Novice Linear Progression and built his strength using said program.
I love it! Nothing is impossible. I hit a 20lb deadlift PR a couple days ago and threw up all over myself in the process!
The video is up on my channel if anyone is interested
💯🏋💪😲🤢🤢🤢🤢
Good to see a tall guy for once. Im tall myself and struggling with form. Im 6'6ft. He looks like the same.
Watching this while eating a box of donuts.
How strange. Just finished a box myself.
Loved the video and was impressed and as a dexascan user myself over the years wanted to closely examine his numbers from his two scans, so I took a screenshot ......I was disappointed to see that the two scans are 10mos apart.... yes he said his training had not changed from his first dexa until july but there is no way, or evidence to completely exclude the possiblity that some of the improvements of two scans done 10mos apart didn't happen in the first 5mos or so when he was fooling around with weights on his own. Even if only 20% of the change was before July you wouldn't be able to attribute all of his progress to the 10 weeks of training which is the subject of this video.
I thought it was misleading although I'm a huge believer and dont think this by any means detracts from SS or what he accomplished.
Looks like hes on TRT as well
I am 47y old did stronglift last year and now a variation of starting strenght, my body changed like crazy and i am being accused of using steroids hahha its the best training ever at any age.
Yes but we don't have starting strength gyms in SouthAfrica 🤷♀️
Great Information
He started out fat at 235, lost weight overall the whole time he got stronger for a year. This is completely normal when you train correctly, which is somehow surprising to most people.
What is more interesting to me is that his deadlift,squat and bench are almost the same ! Myself, at 110 kilos, almost the same weight as him, 35 y.o., with best lifts 140 kg squat, 180 kg deadlift and 107 kg bench which are not anything extraordinary...Getting my bench over a 100 kilos was a huge thing to me ... did not come until doing it with slighly arched back, retracted shoulders and a lot of leg drive, AND spotter arms on my own rack... all these gym benches w/o spotter arms just dont let you max out safely ... Question : Is there anything in his anthropometry that actually causes his bench being so strong vs. squat and deadlift ?
Fantastic..
I got kind of scared when he started talking about fat around his organs
Incredible! How much was he eating during those 10 weeks? Was he bulking, cutting, or recomping?
You won't gain weight if you're not in a caloric surplus.
@@thegordian not necessarily true for untrained, undertrained, or detrained novices
@@BlargeMan he's right though...although it depends what you mean by "weight" cause scientifically you need the calories to be there otherwise you lose the fat in water and co2 and thus weight
@@BlargeMan Yes, absolutely true in every sense of the word. It is impossible for any human, anywhere on the planet, to gain a single ounce unless they're eating in a caloric surplus. You can't gain weight eating maintenance calories; eating maintenance makes you maintain your weight. You can't gain weight eating in a deficit; a deficit is a deficient amount of calories for your body's current caloric needs. The only possible way for someone to gain weight is to eat more calories than their body needs to maintain its current structure.
@@dariusgoatland10 there's empirical data showing that you can still gain some lean mass even while losing fat if you're largely untrained, while also losing fat. On balance you are losing weight, but you're still able to trade in *some* fat mass for muscle mass. You're right that they can't increase their overall bodyweight without a surplus though.
which muscles are you supposed to feel after doing heavy squats? Is it mainly the legs and glutes?
Such a dumb question
Quads or outer thigh
If your deadlift is the same as your squat. Something is wrong.
But Mark Ripptoe constantly hammers the point that you CAN'T lose fat and build muscle at the same time.
Was he eating in maintenance, surplus, deficit??
Can't gain weight unless you are eating a surplus of calories.
Andre DrummGOD idk if our bodies are that simple brotha, although I see where you’re coming from.
@@Larrybird1980 Lol, it can get more complicated when it comes to directing your composition towards fat loss or LBM gain, but gaining & losing weight comes down to eating a surplus or deficit. Maintenance makes you maintain, a surplus makes you gain, & a deficit is deficient for your current structure. Your body can not maintain itself when in a deficit, & it can not add mass to your frame eating maintenance.
@@Larrybird1980 no the literal definition of calorie surplus or deficit is whether you're losing or gaining (non-water) weight. The body might not be simple but these definitions are
the scan is not accurate, but if it makes you feel good
Hahahahahahahaha! good one.
@@AmishSicario Using the same machine and person would be important. It does matter where you start because if you were 30% body fat and went down 1-2% after gaining 10lbs that would be expected. It would mean you gained mostly muscle with about 25% fat. The standard deviation of the machine is also important. If you had three scans on three different days how consistent would the results be? From what I have read they are not that consistent. This means to me that the change is due to the variation in the machine and not in him.
That’s not possible.
@Starting Strength You lost me @13:05. I’ve never heard 60-100 grams of protein was enough for strength training. I’ve been taking in at least 225 grams of protein daily at a body weight of 214. Was his protein target lower because he was trying to lose fat?
He said he was supplementing an additional 100 g on top of everything else he was eating
Eric Lowery Thanks. It wasn’t stated clear enough for me I guess.
60 is low but I usually eat only 120 or so and have more muscle than this guy so you don't need to go crazy. The more you eat though the better your body comp will be but it's probably not going to be much difference.
He very clearly said 60-100g SUPPLEMENT meaning protein shakes
dexa scams are bs
It's possible because of newbie gains.
This guy is basically a clone of myself, and I'm going through exactly the same experience. Bravo.
Metabolic disease not cardiovascular
Just giftet dna. Look at his face, he has natural high testosteron. He isnt a good example for the average guy.
Like rip said in the Book, on talented athlets everything works.
He's a novice
Wish I benched 335 as a novice.
@@dariusgoatland10 He benched 225, which was probably detrained, that's why he quickly rose to 335.
And most body mass comes from squats and deadlifts, at which he was a novice.
@@Deurhzd He wasn't training optimally but he still had extensive lifting experience which would make his progress - which, in 3 months, is 20 pounds greater than the standard 5 pounds a workout at a frequency of 1.5 workouts weekly - rather remarkable. The guy is benching his squat & deadlift.
@@dariusgoatland10 the more advanced you are, the *slower* progress is.
Especially for upper body.
@@Deurhzd I really don't understand why we're discussing this, lmao. 335 is approaching advanced status on the bench press.
Wait this gentleman has the same number of squat and deadlift, there must be something wrong about his deadlift.
Without being rude- mini Rip on the right looks like an every day dude on the street who doesn't even work out.
That’s not possible,you are liars.