Solomon, Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, Gandalf: All fictional! With David Fitzgerald
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- Опубликовано: 7 ноя 2023
- After years of research, David Fitzgerald has come to a surprising conclusion: that all the main characters in the world’s major religions are entirely the product of human imagination. While many have long doubted the supernatural feats that religious figures are purported to have done, the assumption that these are grounded in at least a kernel of historical fact is widely held. David explains how the stories we are familiar with today accreted over time, and the utter lack of evidence that any of the major figures of Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Jainism, or Buddhism ever actually existed.
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People create cultures, cultures create religions. People create religions.
Can we squeeze Solomon in that reality circle,no ?
Glad to see that David didn't blaspheme the real creators of the universe: Black and Decker, who made the world at 9.25am on September 9th, 1910.
Late in the afternoon on September 8th, 1910, Black said to Decker: "I really like your idea of a machine shop. But how are we going to sell all the products that we make? Who is going to buy them?"
Decker replied: " Let's create a universe and populate it with millions of customers made in our image."
After a pause Black said: "I have considered your idea and found it good. Let's do it. See you at the shop tomorrow."
And so it was done.
But a few days day the first heresy arose.
A member of the Southern Baptist Convention who took a dislike to Black because he could never beat him in a golf game, said: "A young earth? Ridiculous! The unverse is really old - at least 6000 years."
"if Back and Decker did not create the world , then who did?" asked a member of the congregation.
"God."
"Who is God? And where does he live?"
"He's omipotent, omniscient and onmipresent. And he lives in suburb where they don't let in people like you. Not unless you have the password."
"What's the password?"
"That information is only availble for premium subscribers."
"How do I become a premium subscriber?"
"Tithing - maximum rate. And you couldn't afford it."
You want to understand older religions? Study newer religions and recognize the techniques used to protect the religion from critical questions. Look at Mormonism and Scientology and the lengths they will go to protect their religions.
Almost forgot the most recent religion.. Trump and his followers. Just count the number of lies and the number of times members just ignore the facts to keep their faith strong.
As a seventh day Trumpist I take offence. I expect you are one of those dirty Bidenology worshipers?
Trumps comin' baby ....... you mentioned him so he's spending time in your head huh.
So much that he assumes Trump is on that level.quite impressionable.
...and you think Democrats and Biden/Obama are the answer then....😂
Love David! So much energy and knowledge!
Saw the interview today but saw him in the past on the ACA call in an talk show,out of Austin TX.
Yes, saw that episode too, with Traci Harris, which really started changing my ideas. Went out and got both of David's books at the time, then on to Carrier. But also try to find all David's stuff on RUclips.
If Paul is railing against the friends and family of “Jesus”, what is behind their claim to be the friends and family of the myth? I’m not understanding that.
He’s pointing out that the fictive kinship of fellow Christians is important-far more important than genetic family: Luke 14:26 in the Bible says, "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple"
David Fitzgerald & Ralph Ellis... I wish they'd collaborate. :)
The Freemason will not collaborate with the atheist.
Ralph Ellis is awesome!
Ralph Ellis is a moron Mr Fitzgerald would wipe the floor with and laugh at in derision.... I don't even know why anyone would expect them to get along. They are of opposite temperaments. Fitzgerald cares about truth and Ellis cares about lining his pockets by telling dollar store lies@@dirktucker77
Love David’s work! Thank you for having him on. I can’t wait for his new book to come out! #PlayingGod
David is a great historian who knows the occurences of 2000 yrs ago!!!😂😂😂
I don't know why they would write fictitious gospels. What was the point?
The Gospels were a teaching allegorical tool for Paul’s theology. Kind of like the Chronicled of Narnia.
why did people invent zeus or amon ra. People invent gods.
@17:13 he avoids answering the question why the consensus among critical scholars is that Jesus was a historical person, and instead pivots by explaining that scholars concede that many elements of the gospels are mythical, an obvious point which only further begs the question as to why they nonetheless considered Jesus to be to be a historical character of which certain facts can generally be agreed upon (e.g was the Galilean Jew born in the first century, had a following, was crucified etc)
he didn't avoid the question. He said that critical scholars don't agree on what "historical jesus" means, which is correct. He also pointed out that jewish scholars dispute the NT account of the crucifixion. The only thing YOU said that most critical scholars would agree with is that he was crucified, but the details of that are widely disputed.
knew that about jesus and buddha, didnt know about mohd...moses for sure...but mohd too? hmmm...
I'd be happy to debate whether the Buddha or Muhammad existed with anyone. It's very unlikely they didn't exist.
@@TheMahayanist well here was your big chance and you blew it
Hmmm ... David side stepped the question as to whether Buddha is a fictional character.
To make the best discussion...Disappear
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David, how do you know?
he told you. try listening.
Uh, uh, uh what?
Moses probably. Jesus, possibly. Mohammad, not likely. The Buddha, most definitely not.
Historical fiction people. It is a literary genre. That is what scripture is. Come on people.
Know why these religions were created and you have your enemy (men in little hats)
I agree that Jesus almost certainly didn't exist. But can't agree at all about Muhammad or the Buddha. Not to make the argument from consensus, but the consensus is that the Buddha existed and the EBTs (Nikayas/Agamas) go back to his era and there's strong arguments for that in scholarship e.g., Alexander Wynne, Johannes Bronkhorst, Richard Gombrich. Im not going to lay it all out but virtually all Buddhist sects share the EBTs in common, which is unlikely if they originated independently and not derived from the early Buddhist communities, as well as chronology and composition of the text and Pali grammar seem to make it clear this is oral tradition and composed at a particular time period (around the time of the Buddha)
Also, Muhammad probably existed. It's hard to explain the betrayal of Ali and Muhammad's family at Saqifah by Abu Bakr and Umar if Muhammad never existed.
No horse in this race btw, as a Buddhist it would be better for Buddhism if the Buddha was simply a myth. But that's not what the evidence shows. Also, I'm just as anti Islam as I am anti Christianity. It would be great if Muhammad didn't exist, but it's not explaining the data to claim that. We have Armenian, Syriac, Greek sources about Muhammad too.
It's hard to explain the betrayal of Judas if Jesus never existed 😂
@@unicyclist97Um, no? It's a fictional story
@@TheMahayanistbuddha is gandu
You are playing double game . Buddha was a myth copied from Jainism just like Jesus .@@TheMahayanist
Buddhist are two face people@@TheMahayanist
dude....are the jews the hebrews?....no....do an etymology search of the words or go check the wiki pages....jeez
he didn't say whether the jews were hebrews. Who are you arguing with?
Moses supposedly existed about 1300 yrs bce. And Krishna supposedly existed about 2000 yrs before Moses. And baby Krishna's story has elements which will be immediately recognized by anyone who learned the baby Moses story.
ruclips.net/video/n5cfEU_DtTA/видео.htmlfeature=shared
Well, if we read Philip K. Dick, we’ll doubt WE even exist…
That Jesus didn't exist makes no difference at all to what I believe about Christianity and various God concepts. It matters to me because it matters to me what's true, and it pisses me off how many centuries people have been operating under these fairly transparent (if you read the Bible) lies.
Buddha is real.
No.
@@KingKing-ky5tt oh yes
butter is real
@@freddenker9537 yes and ....... ?
HAHAHA 99.9 % OF REAL SCHOLARS JUST LAUGH AT DAVID. HEIS DECEIVING THE IGNORANT.
Sounds like the jesucks story
You Foolish Sinner, SHHHHHHHHH!!!
Excuse me if I find someone who writes about very logical and credible history, with verifiable citations throughout hundreds of pages of extensively researched work, more believable than someone like yourself who pulls a 99.9% statistic out of your ass and types in all caps like an idiot.
If they write in all CAPS, one has to question their intelligence.
If one IS FIXATED ON PENMANSHIP GRAMMER AND SPELLING THEN ONE WOULD BE FOOLISH TO Think the critique is credible WITH SUCH A PETTY INSECURE CHARACTER THAT DIDNT CRITIQUE THE FACTS HISTORY AND NUANCES .
fictional or not why bother how do you know .. let ppl believe what they want simlar to some who believe that there is no god ..
Faith kills millions of people a year and ruins the lives of billions, facts matter.
Because folks who believe this nonsense try to control our lives based on it.
How does one "believe what they want"? I can only believe in what convinces me, that something that happens to me, not something I control. The evidence is either convincing or it's not. If I were to act like I believed something that I didn't actually think was true, I would be pretending, or doing make believe.
Also, not believing there is a god isn't the same as believing there is no god. Think of it like a courtroom, and we're trying to convict god of being guilty of existing. We're supposed to presume innocence until proven guilty by a preponderance of evidence. Once there is sufficient evidence for there being as god, I'll believe such a being is guilty of the 'crime' of existing. It would be the same for trying to prove gods don't exist, you would need to demonstrate that claim as well.
I don't know if any gods exist, so I don't believe any do. Why would I believe something I can't know anything about? Why should anyone else believe in things they can't demonstrate? Why should we let people make believe?
@@botarakutabi1199
Your contribution is beyond botar-whatever's intellectual capacity.
he told you how he knows. clean the sht out of your brain.
Ugh. David needs to stop pretending that he is an historian.
Mythicists are entertainers, therefore perfect for RUclips and social media. They are one of many byproducts of Bart Ehrman’s opening of the Pandora’s Box of Academia onto regular, totally unprepared everyday people.
All religions are made-up crap.
Including over 10000 gods… ALL inventions
Jesus’s absence from all modern history books is evidence he never existed
Do you need to have a certificate from experts before you are an historian?
@timfallon8226 In most contexts, yes, you need a professional degree in some discipline of history. I agree it is theoretically not necessary, but the exception to this rule would require some fairly remarkable achievement in historiography to qualify. David has DEFINITELY not met that bar.
try those "arguments" on BArt Erhman...lol
Bart Ehrman's arguments for historical jesus are weak. Bart is a former xtian and takes the NT way too seriously.
i dont think Sidartha is fake because budism is philosophy not nonloyality extermination excuse used by emperors. all others yes.
A mixture of...the ignorance of (biblical, any "holy books") hermeneutics and for sure, the basic classical (divine) philosophy of Aristotle, and his "father", Plato: he's already ridiculed his phil. enemies: agnostics and skeptics, perfectly; In the Bible the "improved" notion of this distinct God (1st Cause, Unmoved Mover, self thinking-thought- don't scratch your head against the wall: an entry in Math Dictionary, Predicate Calculus is the-short explanation of it! I doubt again if such a "scholar"-mythicist understands at all e.g., Sherlock Holmes's lessons! Regarding/doubting the historicity of Jesus from Nazareth,i.e. that "some" invented it for what reason? Why so many different pictures of Jesus,esp. in Mark's gospel contrary to others (e.g. Mk1:3,9: Jesus, a sinner (despite some fancy Bible's idiots interpretations) come to St.John the Baptist to be...baptized, and then he quit his own dumb family (Matthew 19:12- why such a passage there? Hey, a Scholar! Wake up. Use your ...non-ape brain or...H.Spirit!. .The crucifixion scene perfectly fits the practice of Rom and the title-accusation on the cross is the first written title of Jesus in his life-time: "The King of Jews" that has been never used by....Christians (Mk15:26)! Archeology just confirms places a person from NT,e.g. the tomb in Jerusalem of Alexander and Rufus (Mk14:21) or the family of the High Priest, Caiaphas, and the inscription with the name "Aretas"(2Cor11:32) who hunted St.Paul, or "Herodion" (Rom 16:11). Fortunately, "Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God"(Cons.Act, AD 1982, Preamble); hence, a whip (J 2:15) will teach you basics of science, esp. formal ones: (divine/i.e., absolute) theorems of K.Godel's AD 1931(on "proof",or A.Tarski's,AD 1933 (on truth"). There are a lof of space (or exactly, 'space-time" of Minkowski) to organize re-educational concentration camps for dumb citizens,incl. "certified" ...pastors (who still don't know philosophy,the perfect on: Aristle-A.Tarski' scientific semantics and the...Bible despite JPII's Fides et Ratio, AD 1998. On Islam: the discoveries of Gunter Luling("killed" by Satanic Univ.in 1972!; rehabilitated in..,2003), John Wansbrough, Patricia Crone, or...even Adolf von Harnack 1851-1930) who claimed "Muhammad" was just...Jesus from Nazareth" as "the praised one" (e.g. also in R. Spencer, Did Muhammad exist", AD 2021. Are you ...citizens (with ..diplomas who learn to watch (satanic,i.e.dumb propaganda) BBC, etc or ...(fake) humans: aliens-demons?
or you could have learned basic English
If U don't understand Mr.Anglo-moron then only a cartoon language maybe help U but any moron goes to Hell (Mk 7:22)!