David Fitzgerald Debunks Christian Myths
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- Today, we are more than happy to welcome David Fitzgerald to the show to discuss the evidence we have for a historical Jesus and why the evidence isn't quite as good as previously thought.
More on Gallio: Gallio (died 65 C.E.) Seneca’s silence is com-pounded by the fact that his older brother was Junius Annaeus Gallio, who actually appears in the Bible. Ac-cording to the author of the book of Acts (18:12-17), Gallio was the magistrate who heard Paul's case and threw it out of court. If this is true, it’s curious that Gallio never seems to have told his brother about this amazing Jesus character that everyone was so excited about, since Seneca was very interested in just this sort of thing. But Seneca shows no sign of ever having heard of Christians or Jesus at all. It’s also strange that even in Acts, Gallio has never heard of Jesus. This makes no sense at all if Jesus was a famous miracle worker recently executed who had returned from the dead and remained in Jerusalem for forty days, as Acts also says.
Fitzgerald is an amazing author, highly recommend!
The old and new testament are constant in whatever languages it is written in:
Proverbs 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
John 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
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Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
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David is one of favourite speakers, he is funny and he truly cares about the issues.
I'm technically not an atheist, but I'd rather listen to you than the religious types. You guys actually THINK about things instead of "taking it on faith."
Jennifer Brewer James says faith is the Substance and evidence for the most part and the things you can actually see in touch but The church teaches hypothetical things out in the middle of nowhere
Jennifer Brewer Your position's understandable. Almost all the atheists I've come across attempt to be reasonable, so we try 🙂
It is Bible study, UNCENSORED. It is not bad to cultivate some healthy skepticism about the religion you might be 'technically following'. Certainly there is no reason to fear atheist ideas
As a Christian to ist by fully acknowledge your point. Lots more to say here but that's enough for now
I too have searched for Jesus. I found more proof for the existence of Sherlock Holmes.
There's more historical evidence for King Arthur than for Jesus.
There's more evidence for Godzilla than for God
Pete Kondolios nope
Pete Kondolios proof please...
And your point is?
Because of centuries marked with wars massacres and genocides waged in the name of a Jewish god-man we mark time from when he supposedly lived. As a Muslim I would mark time from different point. Likewise as Jew or Buddhist.
I remember that millisecond in my own life. Still so vivid, 25 some-odd years later!
I'm a fan of David, but at the 25 minute mark he stumbles over the famous Tacitus quote on Christians. For atheists who want a better response, here are some facts:
1. This verse is never cited by Church Fathers, and no mention is made of this anywhere prior to the 15th century
2. The verse comes from a SINGLE manuscript that was hand-copied by Christian scribes and 'discovered' in medieval times.
3. Tacitus never mentions Christians anywhere else in his voluminous works
4. Nero's supposed persecution of Christians for the fire of Rome is contradicted by other historians
5. The tone and style of the passage are unlike the writing of Tacitus
In other words, this is an obvious Christian fraud, during a time of rampant frauds when the Catholic church would pay for these items. For instance, the Shroud of Turin was 'discovered' during this time. Feel free to research this topic yourself. When Christians quote these references--ask about the source document.
For the sake of argument even if we accept the passage in Annals as authentic, it is still quite problematic. First Tacitus is generally a reliable historian yet this passage references no sources so the only conclusion is that the information Tacitus is relaying comes from Christians sources or the testimony of Christians whom Tacitus has interviewed. It can only serve as evidence for the presence of Christians in Rome in the early 2nd century and what they believe in but adds nothing to establish Jesus as a credible historical figure. Second as Tacitus scholar Rolland Mellor notes in his book on Tacitus that even though Tacitus is considered a good historian, he is notorious in relaying unhistorical information especially in his depiction of the Neronian period. Tacitus despised Nero and often used un-factual information to defame him. So even if Tacitus wrote the actal passage it may not be accurate and only based on hearsay.
books.google.ca/books/about/Tacitus.html?id=7BBe_09Fc_QC
Antihero gnome Good point! I think this is a forgery, but was Tacitus reliable about everything he wrote about, or did he also pass on absurd stories?
Tacitus wrote about the phoenix as an actual bird:
"In the consulate of Paulus Fabius and Lucius Vitellius, after a long period of ages, the bird known as the phoenix visited Egypt."
Regarding the lifecycle of the phoenix, "The generally received number is five hundred; but there are some who assert that its visits fall at intervals of 1461 years." Then, "...so soon as he is a match for his burden and the course before him, he lifts up his father's corpse, conveys him to the Altar of the Sun, and consigns him to the flames. - The details are uncertain and heightened by fable; but that the bird occasionally appears in Egypt is unquestioned."
(Annals, Book 6, Chap 28)
penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Tacitus/Annals/6B*.html#ref1
Perhaps what Tacitus considers "unquestioned"...should be questioned!
The point is that anyone can write anything, but do we just accept wild claims as being true? Extraordinary claims reqiure extraordinary evidence. The gospel stories are the least reliable form of written account, and have all the earmarks of fiction.
It's funny when people bring up the Shroud of Turin. "Experts can't explain how the image was created". Yes because after it was tested and found to be medieval the church won't allow any more tests. And all you have to do is look at it to realize that apparently Israelite Jesus was actually a mutant Caucazoid with a tiny forehead and a right arm half a foot longer than the left.
I've always preferred accounts known to be firsthand, such as Pliny the Younger's account of the 79 AD eruption of Mt. Vesuvius. And if Jesus was supposedly so popular and so important in his own time, why did none of the historians of the era see fit to even make the slightest mention of his existence?
WHY WOULD CHURCH FATHERS CITE IT? IT CALLS CHRISTIANITY A SUPERSTITION AND THEN THOSE FATHERS WERENT ATTEMPTING TO PROVE HIS EXISTENCE BUT RATHER HIS DEITY...YOU DOOMED IDIOTS WITH DARK MINDS!!!
I have the same exact story as he does. Southern Baptist and, then, here comes a Christopher Hitchen's debate. GG.
Great interview! Thanks for posting.
Another great talk by David Fitzgerald
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What is the name of the opening song?
edguy - pharoah
When did those Roman archives burn down?
I wonder if that played a role in people attempting to “recreate” lost knowledge by memory......
There are some indications Jesus might be not be the person the bible portrays him.
I posted similarities between Jesus' ministry and Josephus' descriptions of (fake) prophets/messias walking around that time on a forum once. All those Messias somehow also did what what is ascribed to Jesus' ministry.
So they just took Josephus' scripture, took some 'wonders' out of them and attributed them to their Jesus. Some of these straightly mirror the Jesus story, and makes us wonder about a lot of things. For example :
"There was an Egyptian false prophet that did the Jews more mischief than the former; for he was a cheat, and pretended to be a prophet also, and got together thirty thousand men that were deluded by him; these he led round about from the wilderness to the mount which was called the Mount of Olives. He was ready to break into Jerusalem by force from that place; and if he could but once conquer the Roman garrison and the people, he intended to rule them by the assistance of those guards of his that were to break into the city with him.
But Felix prevented his attempt, and met him with his Roman soldiers, while all the people assisted him in his attack upon them, insomuch that when it came to a battle, the Egyptian ran away, with a few others, while the greatest part of those that were with him were either destroyed or taken alive; but the rest of the multitude were dispersed every one to their own homes, and there concealed themselves."
- Flavius Josephus, Jewish War, 2.261-262
But we find in Acts 21:38-39
Art thou not that Egyptian, which before these days madest an uproar and leddest out into the wilderness four thousand men that were murderers?
But Paul said, I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus.
There is a huge difference between 30,000 and 4000 but the bible seems to disagree with Josephus on this one. Besides the number 4000 in the wilderness we came across in :
Matthew 15:29-39 New International Version (NIV)
Jesus Feeds the Four Thousand
Could this be Jesus just feeding his army of 4000?
There are some more clues about Jesus leading what is basically a terrorist rebel army :
Luke 9:51-18:14
A Samaritan Village Refuses To Receive Jesus
51 Not long before it was time for Jesus to be taken up to heaven, he made up his mind to go to Jerusalem. 52 He sent some messengers on ahead to a Samaritan village to get things ready for him. 53 But he was on his way to Jerusalem, so the people there refused to welcome him. 54 When the disciples James and John saw what was happening, they asked, “Lord, do you want us to call down fire from heaven to destroy these people?”
55 But Jesus turned and corrected them for what they had said. 56 Then they all went on to another village.
Another evidence is Luke 22:36
He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one."
There are lots of clues, but it will make this post way too long.
So is this guy Jesus? Are the writers of the new testament inspired by him? We know Jesus spent atleast some time in Egypt and people would be called by places they lived. Like Jesus of Nazareth, Jesus the Galilee, Jesus of Bethlehem, Paul of Tarsus, etc. It isn't a wide stretch Jesus would be called Jesus the Egyptian too.
But the post basically got raided by militant Christians and self declared know it alls that panic and become really nasty when you have an answer to all their 'got ya' questions. Everyone that agreed with me, or even said it was interesting, got massively downvoted.
I posted the similarities between Jesus' ministry and Josephus' descriptions of (fake) prophets/messias on a forum once.
All those Messias somehow also did what what is ascribed to Jesus' ministry. So they just took Josephus' scripture, took some 'wonders' out of them and attributed them to their Jesus. Some of these straightly mirror the Jesus story, and makes me wonder about a lot of things. For example :
"There was an Egyptian false prophet that did the Jews more mischief than the former; for he was a cheat, and pretended to be a prophet also, and got together thirty thousand men that were deluded by him; these he led round about from the wilderness to the mount which was called the Mount of Olives. He was ready to break into Jerusalem by force from that place; and if he could but once conquer the Roman garrison and the people, he intended to rule them by the assistance of those guards of his that were to break into the city with him.
But Felix prevented his attempt, and met him with his Roman soldiers, while all the people assisted him in his attack upon them, insomuch that when it came to a battle, the Egyptian ran away, with a few others, while the greatest part of those that were with him were either destroyed or taken alive; but the rest of the multitude were dispersed every one to their own homes, and there concealed themselves."
- Flavius Josephus, Jewish War, 2.261-262
But we find in Acts 21:38-39
Art thou not that Egyptian, which before these days madest an uproar and leddest out into the wilderness four thousand men that were murderers?
But Paul said, I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus.
Somehow Paul gets confused with this Egyptian. It is not clear just by association, because he says the same things and has the same teachings, or physically. But given him being a Jew from Tarsus he wouldn't look like an Egyptian at all. So the first argument is more likely.
There is a huge difference between 30,000 and 4000 but the bible seems to disagree with Josephus on this one. Besides the number 4000 in the wilderness we came across in :
Matthew 15:29-39 New International Version (NIV)
Jesus Feeds the Four Thousand
Could this be Jesus just feeding his army of 4000?
There are some more clues about Jesus leading what is basically a terrorist rebel army :
Luke 9:51-18:14
A Samaritan Village Refuses To Receive Jesus
51 Not long before it was time for Jesus to be taken up to heaven, he made up his mind to go to Jerusalem. 52 He sent some messengers on ahead to a Samaritan village to get things ready for him. 53 But he was on his way to Jerusalem, so the people there refused to welcome him. 54 When the disciples James and John saw what was happening, they asked, “Lord, do you want us to call down fire from heaven to destroy these people?”
55 But Jesus turned and corrected them for what they had said. 56 Then they all went on to another village.
Another evidence is Luke 22:36
He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one."
There are lots of clues, but it will make this post way too long.
So is this guy Jesus? Are the writers of the new testament inspired by him? We know Jesus spent atleast some time in Egypt and people would be called by places they lived. Like Jesus of Nazareth, Jesus the Galilee, Jesus of Bethlehem, Paul of Tarsus, etc. It isn't a wide stretch Jesus would be called Jesus the Egyptian too.
But the post basically got raided by militant Christians and self declared know it alls that panic and become really nasty when you have an answer to all their 'got ya' questions. Everyone that agreed with me, or even said it was interesting, got massively downvoted.
"Jesus is real! I know because I know!" argh!
*@Roger Mello*
I don't want you to *DIE IN YOUR SINS* and you don't have to
*GOD DOES NOT* want you to *DIE IN YOUR SINS* either
and you *DO NOT HAVE TO*
*Christ Jesus COMPLETED ALL THE WORK FOR YOU*
@@AskTheFather
Your comment doesn't help
I feel the historicity of 'jesus' as a fabrication or perhaps an ordinary deluded guy is a worthy endeavour as it exposes how extremely poor the evidence is, not just for him, but for the entire Christian biblical story.
RE: The Shroud of Turin.
What is the opinion on Nicolas Allen's theory that the shroud was forged via a primative proto photographic process by Leonardo using a camera obsura to stain an image of a cadaver on to the cloth which would become the "shroud" and was commissioned by the Savoy family who actually own the shroud to this day? The back image of Jesus is a slightly different size to the front.
I've always suspected Leonardo did the "Shroud" as a prank on the Catholic Church; he did love to tweak their figurative noses every chance he got.
Recovering Addict Atheist here. At this point I can say, I didn't go in that way but, I've evolve to this. I now feel totally obligate to suppose those who supported me and, moreso, the others like me who are on their way to our 12 Step fellowship. To work the simple steps as an non-theist, we use the "Good Orderly Direction" method.
Strange assumption that people are born theist. I wasn't aware of god/religion until I went to school.
If children are born theist then they would be cringing in fear as they came out of the womb at what God had planned for them.
I wasn't aware of religion until my father threatened me with hell at 4 years old. What a kind and loving thing to do.
They failed with me. I refused to be confirmed. I said, "Let Jebus figth his own battles. He's gawd, right?"
@@ardalla535 They would cringe before even leaving the womb, according to the Gospel story in which Yeshua the Christ and Yochanon the Baptist are exposed to religion as fetuses and respond!
@@ardalla535 and that is a very anti-theist claim
The Jamesian Reference (17:49) has another problem: Rufinus of Aquileia in the 4th century states James the Lord's brother was informed of the death of Peter (64 CE or 67 CE ie _after_ the James in Josephus was dead and gone-he died in 62 CE per the historical markers in the passage)
Regarding (25:22), Tacitus account is also at odds with the *Christian* accounts in The apocryphal Acts of Paul (c. 160 CE) and "The Acts of Peter" (150-200 CE) where the first has Nero reacting to claims of sedition by the group and the other saying thanks to a vision he left them alone.
The interviewer has so much trouble formulating a cogent question, annoying.
The apologism is being able to give an answer to every question, regardless of what the question is.
So even if "Is there a god?" is a simple question like "do you have a pencil?" there is not a simple answer, as it should be.
The simple answer to "Is there a god?" is _"I do not know, but given the complete lack of evidence, probably not."_ Magical sky daddies aren't as deep of a topic as christians would have others believe.
Video footage of you at the site of a murder and DNA matching yours. There's no simple answer if your starting position is that you didn't do it. Ditto to "is there a god?" if your starting position is that there is. Ignoring Ockham's Razor is what makes the answer "not simple".
If Yahweh, the all powerful, impeccable Hebrew god is real
there was no need for Jesus to appear to correct his father's mistakes.
Since Yahweh cannot make mistakes.
@ James Richard Wiley... now there you go using logic and reason... there's obviously no room for that where faith is concerned...besides if you take the time to read The Goat Herder's Guide to the Universe you'll see that Yah-wee is always screwing up... but what would you expect from someone who sat in darkness for god knows how long before finally realizing he could just turn on the lights
It was to correct the mistakes of another who came and ruined what YHVH built, for He is King but not actually omni-anything and was unable to stop the serpent.
The Hindu version of the Gospel, the Ramayana, does a better job of explaining things within itself about how the serpent Ravana caused a problem that could only be solved by Vishnu being incarnated as the fully-god, fully-man, sinless Prince Rama, who did not come into being at his incarnation but pre-existed as one of the Creator Trimurti who pre-existed and even created the world itself, and how Rama was the one true answer to this problem of the serpent rather than any simpler solution, as the Gospel was written for a Judeo-Mesopotamian audience that was already familiar with the Torah, Original Sin, and everything else that you're supposed to look back to when an asterisk moment appears in the Gospels, sending you back to such Hebrew Scriptures as their foundational work, the Torah, itself an account of Moses and the Promised Land written for a Judeo-Mesopotamian audience already familiar with the ancient beliefs of the ANE, particularly the Mesopotamian beliefs and stories which Genesis contains a CliffNotes compilation of, and the Canaanite beliefs which the Biblical narrative is antagonist towards.
Thank
Apt title for this video is "Christian Myths debunked one more time".
Pressed play and snuggled on the sofa with my puppy. Somehow this video with a warm puppy is quite comforting because we fell asleep, and I gotta replay the last 20 minutes or so. (Edit: Great video! Thanks for sharing it!)
As for the subject, I think Jesus was a folk hero like Finn Mac Cool. Maybe legend, maybe more, but not a supernatural being.
It's fun to imagine old legends like rescuing a beautiful woman turned into deer by a druid, catching (and eating?) a Salmon of Knowledge, and visiting Tir na nÓg, which would all be much more relevant now if not for Rome and "Saint" Patrick. Instead of Finn's stories, we get tales of Jesus turning water into wine, multiplying fish, baptism by water, luring fish to fishermen's nets, walking on water, and... Wait. Is Christianity a water religion? :p
The question of whether "Jesus" existed, is not as simple as it seems. As an atheist, I consider it far more likely that there really was some actual apocalyptic cult leader in 1st century Judea preaching something at least vaguely similar to what we call Christianity, but the Jesus portrayed in the Bible? No way - I don't believe that for a moment.
There were several apocalyptic cult leaders in the Galilee at the time, and some of them were even named Jesus, adding to the confusion.
I think the most telling thing in the Jebus story, is he couldn't perform any miracles in his home town. So, evidently they taught him the tricks, so....Barry & Stuart did all the of Jebus miracles except water into wine. which is so easy even I could do it. It's called food dye. I saw a special, they did a test on wine tasters & they used food coloring & they identified the "wine" by the color, not the taste.
Pat the choice as far as I see it , is between , he never existed at all or he did but we don't know very much about him. Why do we know practically nothing about his first 28 years, why do we know nothing personal about him? After 2000 years we are still discussing this.
This video is still relevant 8 years later. Thanks to the Milly Atheists and D.F.
The blessed Roman empire was split in 3 for awhile, too. Gaul was the prodigal son. Two New testaments, one for Rome, one for Asia. Eusebius and those martyrs in Gaul...
No Gaul has nothing to do with that. And neither does Rome in truth. And you are very confused sir.
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Othniel the son of Kenaz, the brother of Caleb, captured it; so he gave him Achsah his daughter as a wife.
- Joshua 15:17
Why would anyone have any motive to forge a Paul letter until centuries after Paul died?
After all, if it were done during Paul's lifetime, whoever did it would by definition be "Paul"!
His namesake Paulogia made some interesting videos about the possibility of less-than-charitable motivations for Apostles such as Paul to write what they did.
He's going to have to be pretty good. Mr Eastlick, told some of the funnies stories. About the Vice Chancellor walking in as he was sitting back in his chair & just slowly crashed to the floor. This was After, he sat in his chair & crashed to the floor. LOL
I got a old western magazine & asked him if he was any relation to the Eastlick woman who had been kidnapped & held by an Indian tribe for several years. Turns out he was her Great-grand son.
Or the time, some Mexican trainees got lost in their WW1 training planes & the defense patrol started shooting at them & & he & his brother & sister ran out into the dark to watch. Never mind those silly air raid sirens. The air defense guys were as good as the pilots, so nobody was hurt. I wonder what good such old planes would do in WW2?
My deconversion was a crash. I read the bible, Holy Trinity made me buy & came to Cain & Abel, I screamed "THIS IS BAT SHIT CRAZY!!!!! And I must read the rest in order to torture the nuns." And I did. LOL I got sister Mary-Magdalene, the old bitch, to throw her teeth at me. You can't top that.
He does know that Jesus is just a greekified Joshua? Right? There are a lot of Joshua's & Jesus' today.
Come on guys. You all act like we need evidence for this stuff. Think back on your childhood and how much fun believing in Santa Clause was and Easter Bunny too! We never asked if they were real! Ha ha!
Be good for goodness's sake, and leave an offering of milk and cookies on Christmas Eve by an evergreen tree decorated in honor of Thor, and Odin the All-Father, who sees all and knows who's been bad and who's been good, will come down your chimney to accept your sacrifice and reward you with the creations of his elven warriors and dwarven smiths. 🎅
I love deconversion stories.
6:40 this is so true - everyone from Ehrmen to Dilahunty immediately get really pissy and apologetic in really sketchy ways about it. Bart E, the man who says there’s several sources and then counts off each gospel as a separate piece AND one that doesn’t exist (Q), and a single mention of jesus’ brother. bonkers for someone who is so intelligent.
what i always come to is the question ‘if you boil away all of the myth, literary artifice and contradictions what have you got left?!
8 years on from this post and Bart is the same ad he ever was, patronising and flippant.
What is the hard evidence that the character “Josephus” was a living person and not merely a Flavian contrivance to lend weight and credibility to their writing of the 1st century history that included the destruction of the Temple Mount? I could imagine Constantine’s court revisiting that “history” in search of useful ties to their later contrivance.
Hard evidence from 2 millenia past is impossible to come by, but there's some 700000 words attributed to Josephus, with quite a bit of detail about Judaism and what not.
If one calls all that some Flavian contrivance, I think they have the burden of proof, as the premise is quite a bit more unlikely.
@@Bluesruse wouldn’t you think a Jewish scholar defecting to the Roman court is a bit of a stretch at that time?
@@papagrande8374 He wasn't a Jewish "scholar" per say now was he? Evidently he was of the highly educated upper class.
A Jew defecting to the Roman court and writing histories of the Jews is quite a bit less of a stretch than Roman aristocrats coming up with 700000 words of contrivance whole cloth by themselves. And for what? Wouldn't the Romans have had have to find an actual living Jew to write 700000 words of contrivance about Jewish history anyway?
@@papagrande8374 How so?
Interesting to hear him talk about Paul hating the apostles in Jerusalem, but that's not what Paul meant. He did contend with them because of Jewish believers (from Peters group in Acts 2) coming in and confusing the followers of his gospel by telling them they had to be circumcised to be saved. Paul said they that appeared to be something (talking about Peter, James and John) added nothing to me. Paul received new information from God in Acts 9 concerning a mystery hidden since the foundation of the world. Something you won't find in the old testament books. Paul said he loved his kinsmen and longed to see them saved. Paul new the old testament scriptures being a Pharisee, understood the new testament and was given a mystery now revealed. When he said they added nothing to him he is saying that he knew what they knew plus more. That's why he says contrary-wise, meaning they learned some things from him. The majority of Bible believers do not understand the difference between prophecy and mystery. David was right when he said that most bible believers don't know the bible. He also calls the apostles and believers in Jerusalem Christians but that term was used until Paul starts ministering in Antioch in Acts 11. I only say that make the point that the believers in Acts 2 is a different group than the church that Paul started which was to (unbelieving) Jews and gentiles. The whole Acts 2 Pentecost event was Jews only concerning the gospel of the kingdom that Jesus preached during his earthly ministry. I know you guys don't believe in the bible or Jesus so it probably seems weird that I'm even commenting here and I'm not here to convince anybody. An atheist suggested I check out David Fitzgerald and this was the first video I found/watched so hopefully you don't mind too much.
David Fitzgerald used to be full of bull crap, but now he is no longer full of the vile stuff. He is a sweet down-to-earth bright guy.
FUCK YEA! Love Edguy!
My question to Mr. Harris is fairly simple - what does The Bible have to do with either Jesus and who he was or wasn't or a Creator(s) or who he is or isn't. Then for God's sake what does anything have to do with religious nut jobs?
Also, as an aside, I am just curious how many times he has taken high quality LSD?
Where in Seneca's writings would we expect him to mention Jesus? He barely says anything about his time.
The shreaky opening music almost made me turn the video off. Horrific!!!!!
Did “Paul” exist?
Probably not in the way we think. But somebody did write some of his "letters" in some ways before 70CE. We just don't know when (as in not even the exact century), or by who exactly.
I have the book of josephus and read what he said in summary about Jesus, his witness was like nothing among the weigh and great proofs in the new testament, a lot of things outside in the wind if not tied down just blown away, looking in the dirt, eaten by worms that the nature of things, the new testament and the old testament is the best proofs of Jesus.
Saying the bible "proves" Jesus is like saying the Bobbsey Twins stories Prove the Bobbsey Twins.
David Fitzgerald why don;t you do a video on: DEBUNKS ISLAMIC/MUSLIM MYTHS ??
Because Islam is not his cup of tea Christianity is
@@pfarquharson1 no
The NT gospels are not history. The Jesus story is a myth placed back into an historical setting.
Quasi historic mythos setting.
Great content but the introduction, in spite of the exciting music, is way too long and the graphics way too pretentious.
Fitzgerald and others do make some good points which are worth debating (and have been debated amongst Christians for the last 2000 years, so they are not really revealing anything new here) but, unfortunately, they tend to attract the lowest echelons of atheistic, bottom feeders who know nothing about the spirituality of Christianity, as witnessed by their puerile comments.
Uh oh..."once a creationist"!
this interviewer is sad as shi t??
The Mormons never did create the Book of Mormon, and here's what the LORD Himself says about that!!
"And because my words shall hiss forth---many of the Gentiles shall say: A Bible! A Bible! We have got a Bible, and there cannot be any more Bible".
But saith the Lord God: "O fools, they shall have a Bible; and it shall proceed forth from the Jews, mine ancient covenant people. And what thank they the Jews for the Bible which they have received from them? Yea, what do the Gentiles mean? Do they remember the travails, and the labors, and the pains of the Jews, and their diligence unto me, in bringing forth salvation unto the Gentiles?
O ye Gentiles, have ye remembered the Jews, mine ancient covenant people? Nay; but ye have cursed them, and hated them, and have not sought to recover them. But behold, I will return all these things upon your own heads; for I the Lord have not forgotten my people.
Thou fool, that shall say: A Bible, we have got a Bible, and we need no more Bible. Have ye obtained a Bible save it were by the Jews?
Know ye not that there are more nations than one? Know ye not that I, the Lord your God, have created all men, and that I remember those who are upon the Isles of the sea; and that I rule in the heavens above and in the earth beneath; and I bring forth my word unto the children of men, yea, even upon all the nations of the earth?
Wherefore murmur ye, because that ye shall receive more of my word? Know ye not that the testimony of two nations is a witness unto you that I am God, that I remember one nation like unto another? Wherefore, I speak the same words unto one nation like unto another. And when the two nations shall run together the testimony of the two nations shall run together also.
And I do this that I may prove unto many that I am the same yesterday, today, and forever; and that I speak forth my words according to mine own pleasure. And because I have spoken one word ye need not suppose that I cannot speak another; for my work is not yet finished, neither shall it be until the en of man, neither from that time henceforth and for ever.
Wherefore, because ye have a Bible ye need not suppose that it contains all my words; neither need ye suppose that I have not caused more to be written.
For I command all men, both in the East, and in the west, and in the South, and in the North, and in the Islands of the sea, that they shall write the words which I speak unto them; for out of the books which shall be written I will judge the world, every man according to his works, according to that which is written.
For behold, I shall speak unto the Jews and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto the Nephites and they shall write it; and I also shall speak unto the other tribes of the house of Israel, which I have led away, and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto all the nations of the earth and they shall write it.
And it shall come to pass that the Jews shall have the words of the Nephites, and the Nephites shall have the words of the Jews; and the Nephites and Jews shall have the words of the lost tribes of Israel; and the lost tribes of Israel shall have the words of the Nephites and the Jews.
And it shall come to pass that my people, which are of the house of Israel, shall be gathered home unto the lands of their possessions; and my word also shall be gathered in one. And I will show unto them that fight against my word and against my people, who are of the house of Israel, that I am God, and that I covenanted with Abraham that I would remember his seed forever. Between 559 and 545 B.C. ( 2 Nephi 29:3-14 )
These are the Lord's words, and these are the words and the Lord you are fighting against, in you continuing diatribe against the LDS church. I don't like your chances very much, of ever understanding all truth, and of making it back into our Heavenly Father's presence. But maybe, that's not your goal anyways.
SciPro
"The Mormons never did create the Book of Mormon" - technically, I suppose that is true. It was, after all, pretty much just the *one* faker/con artist who *DID* create that silly book!
You are under undue influence if You believe one word of Joseph Smith's.
The more the moron cult did make it all up dumbass and that's not what God says what Satan says you luciferic down any quotes it out of context it's talking about the Jews and the time and the land of Israel when they're cut up into two sub kingdoms Israel and Judah is real cut off and brought back and Judah come nothing satanic fraud not babbling crap that's what Smith made up you dumbass
By the way by the way dumbass why would they ever bother with gentiles like Smith who has nothing to do with anything
pewdiepie
Jesus is a SUN..yes a solar sun.when a sun dies it transforms into a planet.The Jesus myth in a nutshell
Jesus is Prince Rama, look up the Ramayana and compare it to the Gospels and to Paul's specific assertions about Jesus.
@@autobotstarscream765 krishna-sakia-iva-indra-mirtha-tammuz-criti-attis-baili-thules-orontes-witoba-odin-hesus-quetzalcoatl--the almost same story of the jesus myth
WHEN YOUR BRAIN WASHED-2+2-=888
There's not 7 heavens. It's Islam and not 3rd heaven either. It's one heaven. The heaven of heavens aka heaven itself.
DAVID----ACE
AmOMG the existing historical archeological sources Bible is the top most to know more of why, how, what you and the world than any other source that are mere assumptions
Let's think critically and go with the odds. Best I understand the process, there's about 19 steps, in order, to change Lanosterol to cholesterol. Cholesterol, of course, is used all over the body. That comes out to 121 645 100 408 832 000 or so. 121 and a wad of zeros after it. There's that many ways this could go wrong and be out of order. Factorializing 19. It struck me one day that that number to 1 could be, yes, perhaps in some ways, the odds that there must be God. Sounds a bit humorous, but it does give someone reason to stop. At least if you don't believe by faith alone. Not to mention that process has to be encoded in your DNA to even make it happen at all. Let's pretend that's a proof of God. Now. What were you saying?
Try an experiment. Get a bible and a dictionary and place a dog treat on each. See which one fido is more attracted to. Do it a hundred times. Do animals instinctively recognize God/Jesus as their master? Try it for yourself while you are blindfolded. Ask God to lead you to the truth. Do you go to the bible every time?
Jeez this narrator sucks.
It's an interview. A conversation recorded, not dubbed. Not a narration. Your evalution of the interviewing skills of the host are a seperate issue: A rose by any other name would still smell as sweet, but, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Good luck to you.
He still sucks. A 4 year old could do better.
Jerome is a liar .
Hinduism, older than christianity, read the bible History started with God and this created universe, moses was older than Jesus, but Jesus is greater than him Hebrews 3:1-6 moses was a servant in the house of God, but Jesus build the house, all men women and nations came from Noah 3 sons any religion that came after is subordinate and inferior to the worship of the true God of the Bible and Jesus is God manifested in the flesh 1Timothy 3:16.
False god Yahweh.
@@yaruqadishi8326
I mean Tanak and New Testament is God inspiration !!!
@@geraldbennett8703 no then you have to say the Quran the final testament has got inspiration by that same false standard either it's tanak or it's nothing else there's no Christian Bible there's no Quran there's no New testament or final testament which is Quran or Old testament which is a mockery of the tanakh not a name to do with the tunak tunak is forever Old testament is false New testament is false Christian Bible is false then you have to believe the final testament of the Quran
@@geraldbennett8703 those false labels Old and New testaments are man-made but you got to go all the way and say final testament and go with Quran
@@geraldbennett8703 so you see there you go it means the only Bible book you ever have it's got inspired only Bible book is tanak
YOUR NOT ALONE -THE EARTH IS FLAT
Read the Bible the old and new testament you will find Jesus.
Very true.
Nope. Not even after repeated readings of the whole thing. Your mileage may vary.
U mean Christian Bible and Tanak the Jewish Bible.
@@yaruqadishi8326
Both are everything, God Jesus, Jews and Gentiles, the Devil too,But what God wants us to know, do and don't !!!
The Hands of all are in it, but we should find God appropriate will and get the right understanding and do it ,we understand in our own language and too much synonyms, but God gives teachers to Break it down
Jesus gives the disciples the truth
He gave example of what to know understand and share
Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 24:48 And ye are witnesses of these things. 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
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@@yaruqadishi8326
The Bible, Both Old Testament and New Testament is God word and Jews and Gentiles are involved
Tanak and KJV !!!
with God, all things are possible! Jesus is the Son of God. No matter how many books you read, how much knowledge you think you have, how perfected an accent you speak, you can never KNOW GOD unless He lets you. you haven't been invited and this is why you think like this. you are blind to the truth of God and you will never be able to figure it out, theorize through it, logically understand it, because you cannot read the white on the page!
but if you ever think you would like to know the mystery, the real one, not made up by you or people like this. who talk big words, puffed up, elephant talk, if you want to know (from a pure heart), then just ask for Jesus to show you the way!
We don't read the white on the page, dear, we read the printed words. Learn to construct an argument before you try to make one.
Or better yet, sober up. So many christians, so few full bottles of booze.
So many christians, so few brain cells.....
Well, if he doesn’t let us, then he must be kind of a dick. And you must be so special...
This interview is the pits. I am surprised at David allowing himself to be interviewed by such an amateur.
I CAN DESTROY EVERY ONE OF HIS ARGUMENTS AND IM NOBODY
THATS ALL YOU GOT?
DEFEND ONE OF HIS ARGUMENTS. YOUR CHOICE
I think the onus is on you to actually destroy one of Fitzgerald's arguments. It's one thing to say you can do it, another to do it.
That you're a nobody is the first sensible thing you've said
Yes, Johnny, you definitely are nobody.
I see you have made two claims, Johnny A-hole:
1) that you can destroy every one of his arguments
2) that you are a nobody.
Only the last is anything you can walk the walk on; only the last have you demonstrated.
You obviously have never met The King of Kings. I assure you, Jesus is ALIVE. I pray that He comes to you like He came to Saul.
+Abigail Crain Oh so you've met Jesus? Where? I'd love to know his personal address
He came into my room one afternoon, while I was praying. I did not see Him with my physical eyes, however just as a blind child can't physically see their mom but can sense when she walks into a room, it is the same way. There is a tangible presence that a person can feel, You can smell Him too. Certain things happen when He comes in the room. Overwhelming joy, and a flood of love fills people and such peace that I cannot quite explain.
This is only one time. The first time I met Him, it was in my living room, many of the same things happened...Overwhelming joy, peace, energy and a feeling of love filled me- only this time I was physically healed of four ailments that I was being closely monitored by doctors for. If you are sincerely interested I am willing share with you how Jesus changed me.
Abigail Crain Saul Goodman?
Abigail Crain If you believe sooooo strongly that Jesus exist why on earth are you watching this video?
Abigal Crain
That sounds fucking creepy. What did Jesus do to you?
@ 17.30 Josephus not mentioned by church fathers? of course not since Josephus gave no "ad" for Jesus and those fathers werent asserting the historicity of Jesus but rather HIS divinity and that HE was GOD come in the flesh. And all that is argument from silence....and yall are so hellbound based on ur hostility to GOD
Not mentioned by the church fathers because it hadn't been written by them until Eusebius forged it,
And you, Trumpster trashbot, will be in hell before me... LONG before me.
Meanwhile enjoy watching those videos on how to pick up sex workers... _Jesus is watching you._